THE SKID FACTORY - [QUICK TECH] Heat Exchangers Explained
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Today on The Skid Factory Quick Tech, We have a look into some different types of heat exchangers, how they work and what their purpose is in an automotive application.
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Difficult subject, handled well.
Thanks Al.
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Excellent comment Ray. Exactly what I was thinking.
Not a difficult subject. Generally.
Difficult would be explaining why brand a vs b vs c are better/worse of the same A2A etc
Fantastic explanations but what we really want to know is can you play it as well as moog
Hahaha. I was hoping the sound would play when Al strummed the fins
ashley richards , takes years of practice.
I think Moog and Marty have already confessed to not being mechanics (especially Moog), but they both have their good sides. Eh?
@@notnowliberty Huh...that wasn't clear before the confession?
Al's would be ac/dc guitar riffs.
These videos are so helpful, maybe one about spark plugs and how to choose the right one after you've modified a car?
Some people do seem to get confused with the terms of the gap and Cool/Hot plugs.
@@wobblysauce yeah exactly! People like me
Its easy to get confused when some wheb plug manufacturers use scales going the opposite way to reference their heat ranges.
@@MRMOPARMAN0426 There all the same but the slight differences trip up.
How about a video on turbo and exhaust Sizing relationship
Or even a demo of your mig/tig skills
If you ever wanted a change from spinning spanners everyday you would make an awesome trade school lecturer. The apprentices would be lucky to have someone with such a wide range of knowledge and real life experience.
Hate to say it brother... but Those that can... Do... those that can't... Teach... Some of the worst techs have become instructors in my experience... and they pass on their talents to others... yikes....
He's already quit spinning spanners to only work on cool cars that are exciting and different, and to make videos while doing it.
Great. My only slight adjustment is the idea of thermal boundary layers. "things make heat, they heat air on surface, air blows over and rips that heated layer off" Sweet goodness, TSF is one of a kind on YT
Al, super impressed by your statement that the AC evaporator absorbs heat (rather than cooling the air, which is probably what most people would say). Very science-y of you!
My ex was a great heat exchanger, lots of hot air, yet still cold as ice...unfortunately, she really protested being shoved under the hood.
That misogyny sure helps you on your way...
Don’t mind not now liberty, I had one of those two.
@@notnowliberty LOL its a joke. man you must be a real hit at the parties...
@@notnowliberty
You douchebags are everywhere now.
Good explanation. A bonus would have been talks about an ice tank in the air to water intercooler setup to get temps below ambient. Keep up the great work!
Quick tech subject:
Engine sensors and what they do with the focus on what ones are good, common, cheap that can be adapted into your modified car for ECU’s Etc
Cheers guys 👍
Haltech youtube channel did this topic a few weeks ago.
Topic i'd love to see covered. Wrapping/coating exhaust parts, worth it?
No. They crack due to the extreme heat cycling with no way to expand at the flange mount. Not worth it for the less than 1% gain at the very most.
totally worth it, check out " Engine Masters" episode on ceramic coating some hooker headers, its in their dyno room, great comparison, factual and very convincing.......keeps heat outa the engine compartment, and improves thermal dynamics...ie: hot air rushes more quickly towards the exit, your exhaust......flow, baby, flow
@@stevenjohann5435 Not just faster to the exit, but to spool your hairdryer..
Also helps when you have a turbo exhaust housing right beside your brake master cylinder like me lol. coated/wrap/turbo beanie/heat shield 😂
This answered a lot of questions I’ve had over the years. Thanks Al and Woody, another great video!
You explained this far better than I could. I'll be sure to share this with anybody who asks me.
Learnt more here in 17 minutes than i did the 24 years i spent holding the torch for me old man.
Killer break down, this series is a really great addition to the channel! I think that most people believe that there's a WHOLE lot of black magik going on in the various cooling systems of their cars; but, the reality is that, as essentially laid out here, they're ALL just *radiatiators*, every single one of them! Whether liquid-to-air or liquid-to-liquid(remember elementary science class; both liquids and gasses are FLUIDS!), they're still just metal matrixs that allow two separate fluids to exchange heat between one another via a single metallic wall acting as the thermal transfer medium.
Once you realize this, all of the voodoo magik goes away and things become much more simple to understand and diagnose.
The only addendum that I would add is that, first, heat soak is a very relevant factor in any cooling system(and an explanation of what exactly 'heat soak' means) and, second, in a related minor correction, liquid-to-air intercooling DOES offer the potential of marginally greater cooling performance(lower charge air temps), particularly in an 'endurance' application.
While an air-to-air intercooler will heat soak and normalize(while it starts out at ambient temperature, once operated long enough, the temp of the intercooler itself will average out somewhere between the higher temp of the incoming charge air and the lower temp of the outside ambient air, somewhat limiting its cooling/heat transfer ability), this heat soak isn't near as dramatic on a liquid-to-air intercooler because the whole system contains SIGNIFICANTLY greater thermal capacity thanks to the great density of water/coolant. Because you have a pretty large volume of coolant in the reservoir at ambient temperature, only the fraction of that coolant that passing through the intercooler(radiator) at any given time is being heated up by the incoming hot charge air charge, and that coolant then goes through another liquid-to-air heat exchanger(radiator) to offload most of that heat into the outside atmosphere, the entire liquid-to-air intercooling system takes a VERY long time to heat soak in comparison, and when it does finally heat soak(as long as there isn't a cooling bottleneck in the system mind you - it only cools as effectively as its lowest performing component) it normalizes at a much[relatively speaking] lower temperature than the air-to-air system does.
This is why the vast majority of modern factory forced induction vehicles use the certainly much more complex liquid-to-air intercooling system while really only budget cars and giant diesel workhorses(and the odd anomaly of course) use air-to-air intercooling from the factory anymore.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't mean to rant about this or anything at all, these videos are just a bit of a 'thorough summary' I would probably call it after all; and, explaining why someone/race teams/the factory would choose to use the quite complex, quite expensive liquid-to-air intercooling over air-to-air is certainly enough to confuse people just learning about automotive cooling systems.
With that said, part of the reason that I leave these giant comments is in the hopes that someone who may have questions about "why liquid over air" and what not may come across it and learn a little something that they may not have known before - and, for that matter, if anyone has questions about liquid-to-air intercooling, feel free to ask because I do have experience with & knowledge about them(see some of my old uploads for an example of where I've worked if you have a credibility question or anything), I do LOVE to talk about this shit after all!
Hi Al! A great topic for a Quick Tech would be the evolution of ignition systems from breaker point distributors through CDI igniter systems with magnetic triggers and on to proper engine computers. A lot of shadetree mechanics hate engine computers because they don't understand them & their benefits, such as elimination of distributors and mechanical fuel injection as well as the flexibility gained in fine adjustments with air/fuel mixture, timing adjustments, etc.
Thanks again Alan for another QUICK TECH, makes my day , keep them coming
The quick tech episodes are brilliant 👌. Learning so much. Thanks fellas!
Great video i really like your quick tech its great to get some insight from someone with so much experience. I think a good video would be showing a list of parts you commenly adapt and repurpose in your conversions such as the bmw thermo fan switch in your other epoisode its very interesting to see what can be reused form other cars rather than buying aftermarket. Either way keep up the good work this is some of the best automotive content on youtube !
I would love a custom Air Con install video. Making lines (perhaps using AN?) mounting condensers etc.
Extra tip: The more coolers you stack in front of each other, the less efficient they are. International learned this with the Maxxforce13 engine and a rad pack that was about 600mm thick. from front to back it went: -> A/C condenser -> Low temp rad (for the EGR & air to water intercooler) -> Primary air to air intercooler -> radiator/trans cooler -> Secondary air to air intercooler. The small gaps between them all would suck in all sorts of shmutz and it takes a good hour with a pressure washer to get it cleaned out.
I sympathise Al. trying to put all your intuitive knowledge into words, while infront of a camera. never the less, you did a wicked job. cheers for the skid factory! you guys are great
I too would like to see a subject on brakes, to show to most people out there that quad pots aren't necessarily better than a bigger rotor with twins etc.
Cheers for another well explained video 👍
Thanks Al, really enjoying your Channel. Hope you and Woody keep at it.
I always appreciate it when Turbo Yoda speaks the wisdom. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Awesome Al, your a better teacher than you probably realise. Really enjoyed this one.
arguably the perfect video.... throughly go through the basics of heat exchangers, the different types and why they are used. what more could you ask for?
For over 18 months I've thought of painting "Fool" under the 'I Bought A Jeep' sign at the Aspley dealership. I noticed a couple of days ago though that it has shut down. Even the sign is gone. Good thing too.
@The Skid Factory did a good job demonstrating at 8:29 why this one has been sacrificed, it has lost almost all of its sound and tune, so will not align the molecules in the right direction for maximum cooling efficiency, meaning less boost and less power!
Always ensure that your coolers are tuned correctly to your vehicle.
Loving these videos guys! Love seeing Mr yodas presenting skills come along way from the old mx5 turbo days.
Would love to see gearbox episode, explaining the difference between dsg boxes, multi clutch boxes etc.
Peace ✌️
G'day Alan well explained, often a hard subject to explain in simple format, so as to not talk above comprehension, of those just starting out on the road to discovery beyond the ignition key and seatbelt, configuration.😉🙂👍👍
Very well explained as usual, thanks boys 👍
Good video
One thing I’ve tried to explain to turbo diesel owners is the difference between intercoolers for petrol turbos and turbo diesels. Petrol turbos (street cars) tend to use bar and plate intercoolers because they are designed to act as a heat sink, due to fact that the turbo is usually on for short periods of time and the absorbed heat can dissipate between periods of boost.
Turbo diesels are on boost all the time and the intercooler has to dissipate the heat constantly, so the tube and fin design is the most efficient for turbo diesels (whether top or front mounted) and can be a lot smaller and lighter than a bar and plate intercooler. Many aftermarket dealers promote their bar and plate intercoolers as being better than a tube and fin, but they neglect to note that what they sell are substantially larger units by volume than the tube and fin intercooler they replace.
If you had a tube and fin intercooler of the same volume, it would be far more efficient. However, tube and fin intercoolers can’t be made as simply as bar and plate, which come from China in great slabs that are just cut to size; so it’s much easier to produce a bar and plate intercooler than a tube and fin one. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
It's worth mentioning water/air charge cooling can allow you to get intake temps below ambient air temperature by using ice in the systems header tank, this is mostly used for short term affairs like drag racing.
Def worth mentioning though you could do the same with air to air and a co2 or nitrous spray bar
Sick video, love these segments
Al you should look into being a trade school teacher. So much knowledge you have and explained much better then the teachers I had when I was at trade school
Information delivered in a very easy to understand way.
Al is the best! Thank you so much! Also Woody! Muchos kudos to you too!
Lovely stuff 👍
Quick tech suggestion:
The break system. What the break booster does and so on. 👍
Awesome work lad keep it up
I was expecting moog to waltz in and pluck one like a harp.
Turbo Yoda !!! How about a topic on selecting the correct Turbo for your application 😜👍🇦🇺
Gemini355 "Bigger is better." - Turbo Yoda.
Cameron Russell yeah mate !!! Big is good but biggest can sometimes mean the engine falls on its face hehe haha lol 😜👍🇦🇺
Very informative..Thanks Al
Nice! I'd never really given much thought to the construction of heat exchangers.
Very well done guys
Love the show guys!! Can you please do a "how to rebuild a turbo" video :) and can you repair cracked p-18 rear housings off subarus hahah
Speak more bout intercooler dimentions please mate. OEM intercooler limitations, when to upgrade, and what to take into concideration when upgrading..
Thanks for the vid. Love the channel. 👍
Great video . I understood most of it all ready but many people have now gained. Keep it up. You could try explain how an automatic works. 🤔
That was a lot more interesting than i thought it was going to be.
How about a video on different types of LSD? I'm enjoying these quick techs!
Awesome video as usual. I was hoping to see something about Laminova cores or heat exchangers.
Man.... Combustion etngine and cooling liquid parts... WOW... Great learning... Thanks...
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for one more educational video! I do not know if it was already suggested, but can we expect a quick tech on the different ways to feed fuel to the engine (i.e. carburetors, mechanical injection, electronic injection, mpi and direct injection)? All the best, cheers!
Excellent video
Great vid👍🏼
Good stuff lads.
Nice mate I am sorting out that stuff now. I'm putting a lsa in my gq patrol Ute. 👌💪
It’s gonna be mad
Hi Guys, I'm enjoying these tech tips. Can you do one about turbo setups? top mount, bottom mount, remote mount etc....
Variable timing or 16 valve would be great subjects for a quick tech
Hey James, there a quite a few vids on YT explaining the different methods OEMs use in Variable valve timing... But me thinks...Having our beloved Al explaining it would be much better ;)
lol..
Well described. Well done.
Al has explained the insanity that is Project Blinky👍
I have just finished watching all of PB, awesome little car, so over engineering; it's great
Binky, that is.
Great video Al.
I love your channel you're making good stuff. I would like a video about transmission. Not about how transmission work. Rather about what transmission you use and why you commonly use old automatic transmission instead of new ones like zf 8hp or a Mercedes 728.9 for example. I'm sure there's a good reason why and I would appreciate if you can explain. Thanks
I have a Silvia eBay edition. Any chance of a quick session on compressor mapping. Love your work.
Quick Tech subject suggestion:
Bolt on EFI systems, ie: FiTech, HolleyEFI, FastEFI, and Msd AtomicEFI. A simple do's and Don'ts and bang for your buck for those like myself that still have Carburettored engines. TIA Boys. Keep up the good work.
Great video , would love to hear your opinion on water injection and water spray set ups for inter coolers on street cars .
Great info can u cover charge pipe sizing please , why cold side of intercooler is best larger than hot side .....would be really intresting , thanks guys 😊
Tech tip on dry sumps would be good.
Theres is always some little info nugget i take away from you guys. I never considered engine oil/engine coolant heat exchange, was to do with a more even expansion rate!
The more you know, cheers boys👍🍺
Thanks, Al, I’d been struggling with efficiency of my chargecooler, for some reason I’d not made the connection of the importance of making sure *all* the airflow goes through the heat exchanger, despite having the engine fans on permanently. I sense that I’ll be making a shroud in my near future!
Good stuff!
Snowmobiles have heat exchangers above the track under the tunnel. When the snow kicks up it helps keep the engine from overheating.
Hey Guys another great explanation from the Al meister as always. Keep up the great work. If you get a chance to do a bit of a tech tip about compression ratios for both n.a and turbo applications that would be great. I'm looking to either build an n.a stroker to go in my E34 525i or turbo or maybe even both?? Either way the compression ratio will need to be changed to suit and I just can't figure it all out....theres a lemon squash in it for you if you can help! 😋
I remember Al showing us some settings on the Haltech software, but a Quick Tech video on setting up a brand new Haltech would be great. I'd like to use a Haltech in a build I'm planning, but coming from the world of carburetors and push rods, it would be nice to see a run through of what's necessary to get your car running to get it on a trailer and over to the tuner. Cheers
Love all the S13 references ( I just brought one).How after market ECU's differ in the way they work from OEM ECU's in next Quick Tech?
So informative. Maad
i enjoyed this video very much
Cool story Al!
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO
For a good cooler design have a look at the CAT 992 oil cooler 😊 they definitely had there heads screwed on designing it, would be good to see it miniaturised in one of your projects
More quick tech please, if you could do one on choosing a water/air intercooler pump I would appreciate it.
Is like to see the advantages or disadvantages of using turbo blankets and also heat wrap on exhaust components if it's worth it or not. Also diff ratios explained in more detail.
This was great
Saturday night science. Cheers Al
love your work guys. theoretically, can you modify the existing a\c core to fit inside the indirect cooling unit? does it have enough cooling power?
Great stuff.
How about more details on Air Con
Love it.
Love how you put things into an easy way for dumb asses like me to understand with out being condescending.
Love the channel love the videos. I've been forwarding the links to your merch to my wife to get me but the hint isn't being taken.
I guess if you want something done right you should DIY
Yay, more things I never needed to know but glad I do 👌👌👌
Not one mention of thermodynamics. Cool to see the inside of the various types.
With my 2003 S55 AMG supercharged, I believe I'm feeling the affects of heatsoak with the Texas summer starting up. I was thinking of upgrading the heat exchanger for the supercharger, but since its in the engine coolant circuit no matter how efficient of a cooler I have it will still be at engine temp. So I was wondering if it's even worth it. Likely I have to upgrade the engine cooling as well
The water to air with the water recirculated through an ice slurry (icebox) look like good way to reduce inlet temps, more for drag racing. I heard some talk on dry ice and Co2 fogger systems for reducing the temps, would be great if you could provide some info on these set ups.
just when you think you know everything, you learn some sh*t....thanks, super informative........many love, much props
I like that the mrs takes off at mach 10 with no warmup. I've seen it!!
Nice one! Still love my beetle though!!
What about having a blow off valve VS not having a blow off valve?
Easy... depends on the car/engine... but Blow off valves are usually installed to minimize stalling (slowing down) of the compressor/turbine wheels when you let off the throttle... making lag an issue going into the next gear... it bleeds off the volume of air to either atmosphere or recirculate to keep the turbo spinning "freely" instead of hitting a "wall of air".. and slowing down far to much so when you engage the next gear and apply throttle... the spool up time is much less than without a BOV fitted. Of course it certainly depends on if you have an OEM setup of a Massive turbo for Max POWAAARRRR!!! cue the S13.....Hope that helps
Good one mates!
I would like a deeper look into the different types of piston rings (& perhaps pistons) used in car engines.
Intercooler VS Meth injection. Particularly on turbo diesel
Depends - there's just FAR too many variables to even really compare them. There's no way to standardize a volume of water-methanol to a given intercooler size, especially when you get into dynamic flow systems that adjust the amount of water-meth per the amount of air or percentage of throttle.
It's like saying "superchargers vs nitrous" - although the end result is essentially the same, the two methods just aren't directly comparable because they function completely and utterly differently.
However, in both cases, both options absolutely work, which is why all of these are still relevant today.
You can't do water injection with tap water cause there's too many minerals (like calcium, limestone etc) that would be solidifying in the engine. So you have to buy distilled water, which is expensive and annoying. I'd say it's better to just use a tap water tank to spray on the intercooler so that a smaller one (like a top mount) works more efficiently like a front mount would.
Handy info, what about total intercooler surface area vs cooled area
Any tips on how to get the missus to jump into bed and up to mach 10 straight away would be great next video please Alan!