See Thru Intercooler In Slow Motion - (Dyno Run High Boost)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I'm back with the Supra and the see-through intercooler, this time to do a higher boost test and get the car on the dyno, after I reinforce the intercooler since in the previous video it blew up.
I also feed the intercooler some fog through the air filter and through the turbo and film it with the high-speed camera in slow motion to allow us to see the flow patterns and how the air distributes in the intercooler.
then I go ahead and start cranking up the boost to see how much pressure the intercooler can actually hold.
Definitely a little different than I thought it was going to be, I always thought that the air mostly flowed in the lower half of the intercooler but as you can see in the video due to the static pressure resistance and air taking the easiest path it seems to even out over the entire length of the intercooler.
it was also really cool to see how well the intercooler worked at cooling that air beyond what I ever thought.
here's a link to the first video:
See Thru Intercooler Part 1: • See Thru Intercooler
Thanks to AMS Performance for all there help and being super cool and professional.
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Watch this in 4k when possible, it looks incredibly awesome !
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How are 15PSI a 1000 pounds of force? You one of the guys that believe you need bigger brakes when you mount bigger wheels on a car?
15 PSI = 15 Pounds per Square Inch. 5 in wide x 16 in High = 80 square Inches. 15 Pounds x 80 Square inches = 1200 Pounds of static force or load pushing on each one of those walls. If you put larger wheels yes you should have larger brakes, if you put a larger rim and a shorter tire to equal the same circumference as the original wheel then you don't. But most cars need bigger brakes anyway.
@@WarpedYT Yeah I figured. Btw: have you heard about the "gas doubler"? A small compressor that you can put in between the fuel nozzle and the tank. It compresses the fuel and increases the volume and the distance you can travel that way. Awesome device. Everyone should have one, especially people that use turbochargers. Can optionally be ordered with an integrated fuel pump.
@@fugelkusch3722 wtf?
Could you help me how to learn and put a turbocharger in a car from zero, please
@@Khaled.N.Omar01 Buy car, buy turbo, put in car. Done
No but seriously, tonnes of research before even buy a kit
Google is your friend
Enjoyed every minute of it!! Great intercooler build and great idea on using the fog!
I agree!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah cause you watched a 30 minutes vid within 18mina
@@justsean6199 ???
@@MrWip3out I think @projectfarm was referring to WP also @JustSean was also referring to WP for the same reason no-nonsense straight to the point and heavy editing to cut out all the bull. correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I took it.
@@BendingPhysics Most likely as well yeah!
The temp drop was way more than I expected!! Very cool idea, and a solid test all around!!
That throttle maintainer thing is cool asf
As a beginner i thought it can exit at the back of the intercooler 😅, thx for this vid
Cool project. Please do other fluid system in the car. Coolant and pump/radiator see thru? Sounds cool.
Awesome vid man.
Keep it coming
boost leak on inlet side where lexan (I assume) is interfacing with intercooler fins
Cool. I'd love to have the money to just play and experiment. 😁
That makes two of us!
@@WarpedYT Lol... Then please, tell us how you do it? 😁
This video demonstrates why end tanks and intakes are tapered, the air is lazier the further away it is from the pipes.
really cool to see!
regarding the temperature delta: it would be really interesting to have measurements over a longer timespan. the intercooler is a heatsink itself after all, so the massive delta could be due to the intercooler not being at "working temperature".
also: _is that a supra?_
Interesting how even the flow is in the tanks.
An intercooler will indeed heatsoak over time
we endurancce race a Subaru WRX. Yeah, heat soak is real and there are ways to minimize it, but the IC has to get a delta T across it to transfer heat, so it's somewhat unavoidable. Subaru uses a water sprayer like for winshield squirters and a timer that sprays the IC for about 10 seconds. That evaporative cooling is good for 20-30 hp for about 30 seconds. Nuce push-to-pass button, though!
@@webb4252 Boost is rarely constant. The IC will cool down between hard boost runs.
It will reach somewhat of an average but is constantly shedding heat.
As Josh said, an IC optimizer with water and alcohol will significantly lower temps of a "heat-soaked" core.
🤣🤣🤣
And for the people who said in the last video an intercooler doesn’t Do anything. You can clearly see how the temp differs on each side.
intercoolers can make a massive difference
Intercoolers definitely make a difference. This intercooler core is massive and will bring the temps down to ambient or below.
Using an intercooler optimizer (external sprayer with alcohol & water), it will get well below ambient temps.
Turbochargers with intercooling systems were proven tech in WW2. People are dumb. Especially in light of the fact that virtually unlimited information is keystrokes away.
Good job comment section warrior 🫡
@@jesvans derr ya think
Use UV dye in the fluid,and UV lights,you could get more visual intensity/contrast on the flow i think.
The camber on your front end is no good,like the rebound,the car seems bumpy.
tHe cAmBeR oN yOur fRoNt End......dude shut up lmao
@sourand jaded it's very hard to kill that 2j
I owned this car. Bought it brand new in 1997 ... and had a Front Mount IC ... I would never have believed it dropped the temp that much dynamically (in motion) ... let alone, static.
from 90c to 23c, man that's a LOT of heat being rejected!
i always woundered what kind of tempertures was going through to thing. kinda crazy to me
17.6 kW if my calculations are right. Almost 25 horsepower.
You can get the same effect using meth injection without any cooler
@@MaNNeRz91 Yeah but who wants to deal with that
@@savage101. Anyone who doesn't want an intercooler and wants more hp because they can't cool down the air enough ... 🤔🤔
What a poor design these intercoolers are.. you can see the poor distribution of airflow between entrance and exit quite clearly with smoke
What brand do you recommend then ?.
@MDEV-86x86 I don't recommend any. I'm just saying from an outsider standpoint that the airflow is poor.
If your forcing an answer from me then I'd say something along tesla.'s design with laminar flow characteristics. Tesla turbine
You have no idea what you're talking about. Garrett intercooler cores are amongst the best in the industry. I'm sure you know better than a multi-billion dollar company.
The intercooler core has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the end tanks. The inlets are both on the bottom. Air will take the path of least resistance.
@@Awnawbruh I know, poor design is what I said. Simply having the exit at the top of the core would be better.
Hahaha, I knew you'd blow it up!
With so much air flowing through an intercooler so quickly it's surprising how well it can cool the air down.
Thank you for uploading this video. I always wondered how an intercooler worked. I had a Volvo S70 TDI as that'd an intercooler the size of the radiator itself and a massive turbo from stock so no wonder it pulled the way it did. Also explains why cars runs better in winter than summer. 👍
170hp craziness lol
@@Sebbe40 1998 S70 TDI only had 145 hp. At least in Scotland but had plenty Low down torque already at 1200 rpm hahaha
as a guy who lives near the equator, a shitbox runs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better at cold nights
it also explains why i see more tuner cars run at midnight, colder air and less traffic
That’s all cars or anything internal combustion will run better when it’s cooler and with more dense air
TOO MUCH FUN!! 👍
Knowing how an intercooler works is one thing. Visualizing it with the see-through tanks and seeing the temperature reduction quantifies it. Not to mention stress testing via different boost loads. Confirms there's much more to it than just meets the eye.
It'd be COOL to obtain temperature variances and differentiations in daily driving conditions.
Even so, really cool couple of vlogs about intercoolers.
Your creative thinking is fantastic! Then to transfer it to practical material form is icing on the cake!
KUDOS!!
Cool video as always. You had a pretty big boost leak on the lower part of the inlet tank made visible by the smoke
Next test should be with different end tank designs, to see if you can achieve a better distribution of air through the intercooler core. you could try different designs, some with diverter plates inside, or even vertical flow intercooler would be interesting to see. Overall great content!
The end tank design on intercooler is split, so it uses the whole intercooler not just the path of least resistance. This test didn't prove anything.
@@russiancommy this definitely showed the path of least resistance by a heavy fog straight through and a lighter fog along the top
@@russiancommy just what are you wanting proved?
It was an observation not some new design proving ground design for the new and improved cooler. Y'all weird always the same with your generation ( prove this, validate from Google please, or internet says different. I'm going to think about it. Y'all really weird
@@jasonmorris2813 says "y'all" and talks about generational difference, stick with it bud.
@@russiancommy best comeback ever! damn, you sure told him!
I get more impressed with this channel everytime you make a see thru video, please don't stop making such amazing content we really love watching them.
9:47 More money than braincells = "I wanted a 1000HP car as a daily driver so I didn't stall at stop signs."
i suggest make a temperature reading before and after the intercooler.
That was amazing! What else would be cool to see is how fast the fog moves thru the pipes at idle veruses boost? Does air flow moved slower under boost?
Just the engine RPM will affect airflow velocity I'd think. Like 2000cc engine will move 2L of gas per cycle. Boost will affect air density but not velocity.
Very interesting to see the flow pattern in the cold side tank, shows you exactly why manufacturers taper the tank. Awesome test!
15psi equals a THOUSAND pounds of force ... brother i have some swamp land that u need to invest in ... gaurenteed 1 million per cent profit
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Thanks! You as well
I think that the smoke pattern shows perfectly the problem with having the inlet and outlet directly across from each other and not offset. You can see that the top of the radiator does get some airflow, but it only gets any airflow because the shortest path is making too much resistance, and you can watch as the smoke pulls through the top half a lot more slowly. A simple radiator design such as that commonly has the inlets and outlets offset in order to alleviate this, and make more efficient use of the whole radiator. Some of the more advanced designs I've seen also section out the airflow into three or four segments before it gets to the fin stacks, which I imagine also works pretty well for flow distribution.
But at the end of the day, the tempurature tests certainly show that optimizing the flow pattern within a radiator isn't necessary to have a *functional* radiator, and that radiator certainly pulled some weight when it came to cooling. To be expected, given how thick it is.
That is literally the only and the exact reason why I went through all of the trouble of building it and filming the video, I have been wondering this forever. Every front mount intercooler that I can remember that I have installed had the inlet and outlet right across from one another, and the rest of the inner cooler would stretch out in One direction, I always thought how much air is actually going through that top portion especially under higher boost and higher velocities. My goal in this video was to do a higher pressure test like 15 20 psi with the fog, but it failed prematurely and that's okay, I may come back with a bigger better intercooler to run some big boost but I'm not 100% sure it's worth it... Thanks for the awesome comment insight and information!
@@WarpedYT Is it really that common in automotive? My background is in IT, and a lot of my knowledge here comes from interpreting off a mix of that and a basic understanding of thermal and flow physics. Most PC watercooling radiators are split units so that the inlets and outlets are on the same side, but the few radiators with a straight through design I've seen are all offset as I mentioned. I suppose, in the PC world, a radiator design like that doesn't introduce enough resistance to the flow rate to force flow in what would otherwise be a dead zone, and the performance impact is a lot more noticeable.
Well designed ICs have a number of techniques to balance the airflow across each channel of the IC core.
The most notable is curving the end tanks in towards the core the further it is away from the inlet/outlet. This speeds up the flow and should get rid of the still / turbulent flow in those areas.
Corky Bell wrote a great book on turbocharging. Explains much of this and more in the Intercooler section.
I'm doing aeronautical engineering and I'm developing potential sidepods for a Formula Student car and I've been messing around with cfd, trying to optimise the airflow and what you just said was the first thing I thought of when I saw the intercooler.
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Love seeing this and how the fog illustrated the flow (in slo mo) especially as the boost dropped off. I wonder if it would even be worth running the hot air in at the top part of the cooler but leave the exit at the bottom where it currently is. Not sure that would make a difference in cooling but be interesting to see/measure.
What are you expecting to see ? Air?
that's really cool! I love how it comes in and fills up the top because heat rises, and then comes pouring out the cool side like a waterfall!
@sourand jaded Thank you. I was going to say the same thing.
Boost leak at he the bottom left of the intercooler
Wow. With it being clear, you can in fact see the air going in one side, and out of the other. Just amazing. Had no idea that air flowed like this. I really liked the part where the air went in one side, and out the other. It was really crazy to see how this happened at different engine speeds too. In one scenario, air went in one side, and out of the other. And when the turbos outputted more air pressure, air went in one side, AND OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE! Damn if this weren’t see through, I would have had no idea that air would go in one side, and out of the other side.
WOW, extremely cool experiment! I believe there are some minor leaks on the intercooler hot side where you couuld see it @3:48 and @6:33
This is why engineers do the MATH FIRST....
To keep people from dying...
Makes perfect sense, I did the math, and nobody died!
@@WarpedYT yet it still broke
Good idea👍👍
Thank you! I can't wait to do more of the little engine episodes.
@@WarpedYT Looking forward to it! The engine is on the way to you.
Very interesting stuff.
I always worried that inlet/outlet location might make intercoolers basically only use part of the surface area. But the fog really shows it uses the whole area nicely.
Fun build and test!
Thanks, that is the one and only reason I even did this test in the first place, I was curious about the exact same thing
Intercooler not efficiently working when inlet and outlet are on same plane instead of one top and one bottom.
A 1000HP reliable daily driver. It could only be a supra.
That music makes it feel like a fusion reaction engine cooler and not just a mere intercooler.
Lol...
Next time you should make a see through turbo. 🤣
インタークーラーを可視化するとはおもしろいですね
サイドタンクの角に渦ができたりね
Cool concept if you dont like driving your car😂
I like how you can see that stagnant air up in the top corners makes exactly the shape of a regular intercooler. They know what they are doing when they make those.
Can you still get the knowledge to make that in this Vidio.
This is so stupid. What the duck did you want to see the air ?
It's interesting seeing the air flow dynamics. The hot side tank design doesn't seem to matter. But the cold tank side favors an obvious tapered tank.
What's for breakfast... BOOST!🏁🚗 🕚
Wish I could just drive to get a dyno done. WE gotta month or 2 wait here in NC lol. I gotta get my new trans tuned to my engine
This is amazing ❤️, especially when i requested this video in the previous video
Wow I was very surprised how slow the air velocity was on low boost. Also cool to see the air flow. Matches the curves on a lot of intercooler end tanks. Sheesh that intercooler does work. 130F difference without even a fan on it! Really cool video.
Had to edit this one for some bizarre spelling and grammar so I lost my heart, haha.
A thermal camera would have been really cool. Build another one.
Omg... I actually had the thermal camera with me I was supposed to use it but I forgot, right now I'm working by myself I'm extremely shorthanded.
I don’t feel comfortable how he’s making his car vape like that
Used AMS parts in the past whilst working as a powertrain engineer developing motorsport engines in the UK, they are a stunning company with superb knowledge and products. Thanks for the video
See if the areas of stagnant flow was cool.
Great vid!!!!!!! 👍👍👍
Спасибо, очень интересное и полезное ( инженер механик дипломированный 1985) Мое мнение так взрывались паровые котлы : когда перегретая вода и давление емкости резко снижается ( открытие дросселя ) в бачке интеркулера вскипает вода. Мой вывод впрыск воды возможен за дросселем...
Remembering your little lawnmower engine tests... I think you test all engines until something blows up!? 😂
For a good story you need a climax, without that it's lame imo
@@WarpedYT 😂😂👍
@@WarpedYT I liked the highspeed transparent headcover shots. Did you ever met or collaborated with Project Farm?
Oh, and the video with the different wax/polymer/ceramic coatings was nice. 😃👍 We don't heave all of these products here in Europe. Could you mention the content list/msds in future videos pls? So everyone can make his/her own informed decision/conclusion/assumptions about potential effects on health and environment. 😉
The smoke really shows the leeks in the intercooler that you might not ever know about. Really cool 👍
It’d be interesting to see 1 bar of constant boost and track how the in/out pressures track over a minute or so across the intercooler.
you almost need a dyno that is also in a wind tunnel to actually let the coolers work.
What a great idea and a great way to test what is happening inside the intercooler. Loved watching this crazyness!!! Nice work!
I would be cool to see the temp differences with a fan and even a water mister to see how much it changes
i had 20* temp drop with water meth of iat before and after injection. sorry if i didnt explain that well but it was cool to see on a datalogger
Even the multi meter knew 😆 open
Just a question, is there any reason that you didn't silicone seal the plastics around the radiator to accurately judge the unit and it's stability under pressure? I think it's a great project and definitely possible to achieve, but much thicker plastics and maybe a stainless mesh support would see you to a working product, also using Silicone may possibly stop a fault line occurring where it did, by dispersing the heat better..
This is kinda cool. Not gonna lie
Cool video,I’m in the process of doing this exact same thing with fog but with intake piping rather than a full intercooler. Cool to watch this on your Supra!
hey i've watched about 90% of your na miata videos. cool to see you in this comments section
That's cool, that was actually next time my list, but I wanted to do the intercooler first and I have a little bit of trouble getting the clear piping. Let me know how it goes maybe you want to do a collaboration of some sort.
@@WarpedYT Absolutely! I'll email you. Keep up the great work!
Dang I can’t believe that temperature drop across that intercooler. Impressive.
"If you look closely, you can't see the air moving from one side to the other".
Pretty cool experiment, wonder if the passenger side tank leaking at the beginning caused any boost drop. I figured the leaking passenger side would have let go first, wasnt expecting the driver side to go
Which side of the intercooler is the blowoff valve?
The temperatures are pretty normal. Even without a fan the intercooler cold the air also just by his temperature from the previously flow of air. If you run hi pressure for long time you will maybe see temps going little higher. But again one ic with less than 85% of efficiency between ambient air temp and the outside temp would be consider a bad one. Also what is important in this test is check the pressure in and the pressure out that will make also the real (how good it is) obviously this is one experiment very very interesting and I enjoyed your video
Interesting. When you watch the angle the cool side goes into the piping, it would say that the end tanks with the slope towards the pipe will be an efficient setup.
When I thought nothing can beat the GoPro inside a tire 😱
The dynamics of the ‘fog’ also shows why more developed end tanks are beneficial in directing airflow across the entire core as well as directing it from the core, thru the tank, and into the subsequent piping.
Absolutely! I would also be curious to see if keeping the same end tanks (or even smaller ones to allow for a larger heat exchanging area), but changing the cross section of each vane so they are smaller at the inlet and increase at a proportionate amount the further you get away from it. Or even easier (for visualization) would be to have the inlet and outlet at opposing heights (i.e, top and bottom). It's all moot, as the temps alone showed massive improvements as is... any better gains would be miniscule in comparison.
Absolutely fascinating!!! Good idea for helping to design a better intercooler end tank design!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
It looks like you could experiment with different bell shapes at the inlet & outlet of the intercooler. There has to be a shape to increase the efficiency of the flow. Not trying to increase turbo pressure but to maximize the velocity of the air stream. I would love to collaborate with you on that. Thanks, I enjoy your work.
It's not so much the heat transfer of the intercooler as it is the compression on the hot side and decompression on the cold side that makes the temps drop so much. Same basic principal that your AC system works off of.
Very cool bro, really like the HUB dyno, I didn't even know this existed until now lol. I have an 09 Chevy Colorado with a 5.3 V8, the guy before me cammed it out, straight piped and hooked it up. It's 11 secs in the ¼. I've been waiting to find a dyno to tune my new vette trans to the engine lol. There's a long waiting list here in NC. I need AMS lol
Nice! I fabricated for AMS from 04' to 07'. Had a lot of fun working for Martin and Arne
You're awesome man, always thinking way outside the box of ordinary life. Love love love your content brother your brilliant.
try making the intercooler more aerodynamic. Try putting a velocity stack in there and reshape it.
нихуя не понял,но очень интересно!
Do you think there would be any increase in flow by moving the outlet/inlet to the middle and have that face a bit of a funnel?
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OMG it must be sooooo Much fun having all these toys (tools) and do this stuff , u got the life bud , great video!
This is the only youtuber who actually listens to his fans ideas. I love it 👍
I'd love to see the dyno sheet results from using no air, forced air, and liquid nitrogen cooling over the intercooler
Calculate force on the box structure at pounds PER SQUARE INCH acting on the total box inner surface area of square inches. Not that hard.
Great content! You always find a way to create something that's both informative and entertaining.
Do you actually know that by throwing water just like how you did, small hose steady flow, mid high rpm, that is how you remover carbon deposits from valves pistons etc etc. It will not damage anything unless you dump alot of water at once lol... Most people are afraid of what they don't understand. Nice way to lower your combustion chamber temps and water going into fog in the cylinder expands by a factor of about 2000, so technically you won't loose power (just like driving in the rain)
1k hp daily driver....
Dude... you are simply amazing! Thanks for your great content!
Im shocked that you are allowed to drive a car with FMIC sticking out infront like that, Not to mention how its legal to drive without a bonnet in USA.
what about pedestrians even hitting one at 25mph would probably be fatal.
(No wonder the USA has the worlds highest Road Death Toll, almost 10,000 Times higher than Australia but the population is only 12-13 times more.
Also almost 2,000 times higher than next 10 countries combined.
So glad its illegal here.
It makes a lot more sense to do it with fog, nice
It was on my agenda the first video, but I got very sick while I was filming, then 2 days later I blew my eardrums out, two days after that I got a middle ear infection, there went an entire month of my life...lol. I was glad that I was able to pick it back up with a second part
@@WarpedYT yikes, I hope you are doing better
My hero! Damn fascinating! Wish you’d make me a fierce plexiglass front spoiler for my 2017 VOLVO XC60 R design AWD while I nurse my elderly parents.
I love seeing how things work, nice video :)
Man hangin out with this guy would be a dream. Iv got so many ideas I could make a book. Literally,
Great video. Would be interesting to have pressure transducers on the inlet and exhaust of the intercooler to see the pressure drop across it.