The old discovery 2 is seriously underrated as a 4x4. I’ve got a 2001 which we’ve owned from new and it just does everything I ask of it. Family adventures up inside the artic circle in Norway 🇳🇴 to southern Spain 🇪🇸 in the soaring heat…. It tows a trailer every now and then and ventures off road on camping trips in wild wales 🏴 and Scotland 🏴. It’s collected both my children from hospital when they were born and my eldest passed his driving test in it. The car holds so many memories we will never let it go.
That's right! Discover2!! Especially, is there a traditional SUV that can surpass the TD5??? I've been driving the Discover2 td5 for a long time and it's the same today and tomorrow! I'm looking for a 'Discover2-td5' in good condition for my tired friend who drives the Defender 110. Here in Korea!! I think I found it again... Let's go together!!! ㅡ I really hope the parts for sale of the D2 last a long time... I have to pass it down to my young son!!!! (from S. Korea~)
I think the LR3's short comings were due to tyres. The disco 2 was on maxis AT, the disco 4 on BF Goodrich AT, but the disco 3 was on Yokahoma AVS ST tyres, which perhaps are more geared towards road driving whereas the 2 and 4 were on more off road tyres. I think that's the reason the 3 didn't perform as well as it should have
I agree 💯%+! The tires on the LR3 also looked badly worn! They also seemed to be closer to stock size/height with the lowest side wall. I believe that LR4 may have also had a rear locker.
Agreed Darren, also, I don't know why the LR3 didn't drop tyre pressures for the hill climb? Strange. I would have thought for a true comparison on all 3 vehicles, they all would have the same tyres and pressures.
Also it's a 2000 3 so the transfer case doesn't even have the CDL option for them to have added the lever that means it's only all-wheel-drive and traction control
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 true, but you can have it enabled. It does have a cdl on the transfer case, just not connected. Not sure if it was enabled on the one in the video, either way, very impressive for a 23 yr old vehicle and would've matched the disco 4 on the hill climb if the driver had deflated tyre pressure to about 1 bar.
@@rjakoet actually the 2003 at least here in America is the only one that came with a transfer case that does not have the selector built-in to the top of it so you can't even buy a CDL lever and install it. That's what made the people so upset in 2003 to make Land Rover release the 2004 that had one. My friend had a 2003 and the top of the transfer box is completely smooth right there it sucks. So there's a chance that might have only been traction control LOL
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I didn't know that. I have a 2000 td5 and had the CDL link installed. I thought they all had the same transfer case with the unconnected difflock nut on top of the case.
Old rovers are seriously underrated as off roaders, i got an 04 discovery and in 4low with the diff locked it is a mountain goat and will literally climb anything. I love it, its the perfect mix of old and new school and the tech rarely fails
Got mine for 2k legit a few weeks ago and I love it I’m in the military I take it on field ops and we have a shit of fun driving it. The 3 amigos are on and the check engine light but it’s still amazing and not bad on gas. By the way anyone know how to fix that.
That's right! Discover2!! Especially, is there a traditional SUV that can surpass the TD5??? I've been driving the Discover2 td5 for a long time and it's the same today and tomorrow! I'm looking for a 'Discover2-td5' in good condition for my tired friend who drives the Defender 110. Here in Korea!! I think I found it again... Let's go together!!! ㅡ I really hope the parts for sale of the D2 last a long time... I have to pass it down to my young son!!!!
@@ooogieboogie247 3 Amigos is a minor annoyance that every D2 owner experiences! Usually it is easily solved with a 'bypass', but There is a complete kit at AB for the shuttle valve switch error. Land Rover ABS Modulator Valve Kit (Same Fit As Genuine Part # SWO500040)
Land Rover's traction control is still unmatched. On the moderate trails in my area, Jeeps and Toyota platforms need to engage front and rear lockers to match the performance of the new Defender.
Absolutely! I live in Southern Arizona and we have some extremely tough crawler trails and I admit like a brand-new Rubicon can make things look much easier but I have a D2 just like this one and it will hang in most situations and is 22 years old. If I compared it to a Jeep or Toyota from the year 2000 it is absolutely way better. Only thing I like about a brand-new Jeeps compared to a brand new Defender is the articulation, how wide they are and how low center of gravity. The defender is still good but dimensionally they could have done better on the new one. A little top-heavy. If you park when next to a disco 5 the Disco 5 is actually lower and the body is wider which helps look at the Humvee
Tires play a big role in how they preform, At 18:08 LR3/D3 and 18:34 LR4 or D4 if you compare the thread pattern between the two, the LR4 has more aggressive threads, asymmetrical block patterns larger and deeper grooves in the tires compared to the LR3 that has less aggressive blocks with symmetrical patterns, narrow and shallower groves. Deep aggressive asymmetrical grooves in tires on LR4/D4 helps it gain better traction on loose sand and gravely by digging into surface where there's grip, and rocky surfaces the sharp aggressive blocks on the tire help claw/grip on to those rocks thus provides strong traction. The LR3/D3 symmetrical shallow less aggressive tires cant provide traction in those situations because of its thread pattern and design, and also wider 285 tires (tho not by much 10mm) did not help either as it cant allow the tire to dig down into surface that has traction, it just floats and spins the tire. If Lr3 had similar tires as D1 and LR4/D4 or more aggressive A/T tires it would have been just as good as its predecessor and successor. Conclusion, do your research and choose the right tires for your adventure's environment and know its limitations, just because its stamped or says "A/T or all terrain" on the tires doesn't mean they're created equal.
See there's lots of video showing that more aggressive does not help him stand at all. I think in this case both of the newer models did not are their tires down enough but the reason why the D4 was better is because it had way more horsepower and was able to gain more speed prior and maintain more momentum throughout. If the D3 had more aggressive tread it would have still slow down the same and kept digging the same. I'm not saying more aggressive is necessarily worse but if you don't have the horsepower, not torque, to assist with those more aggressive tires that won't really matter. There's plenty of videos of completely All Season Highway tread going through sand perfect when you drop air to 20 PSI now you are absolutely correct as far as the rest of the video climbing those rocks yes the D3 did need more aggressive tread butt on the sand that wasn't the issue it was lack of power and momentum. 190 horsepower compared to the other two having well over 200 horsepower and less air in the tires. I guarantee if you put the D3 at 20 psi and the D4 at 36 PSI they would do the same because the D4 has more power to gain momentum ahead of time
I'm not trying to knock your whole tire educational post but I've driven with low horsepower diesel vehicles compared to higher horsepower vehicles and the ability to gain momentum is so much greater. I know both of these models were diesel but look at the horsepower ratings. It's clear the way the D4 was going probably three-quarters faster before they'll even started. But yeah you're correct it's just not the reason it failed the Sandhill
I have 10 ply mud tires on a 2004 Discovery 2. Changed the highway ride but it's an off-road beast. And let's be honest. Are you beating up a 100k+ New Land Rover or having more fun in the far less expensive Discovery with front and back solid axles? I know my answer.
When I first got into Land Rover and learned about the association with Ford I was expecting the 4.6 to be a Ford OHV 4.6 I would have been pretty cool
Totally agree in how capable they are , I’ve got a D3 and very impressed with the traction control system , did u ever see the Australian guy who done a video here on U tube where he took a standard D4 on baboons pass, really good video , plus the first time I drove my D3 I couldn’t get over how nice they are to drive on the motorway , exceptionally comfortable
@@garystuart226 yes I do ! And is impressive ! I use mine to travel and do overland. Almost already travel Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay on it and is perfect to this. Cruse rivers, drive on snow and so much more.. I really love this car.
@@garystuart226 I saw that video that guy is really cool I forget his name. For the longest time he kept trying to make the Jeep Rubicon seem not as great as it is and he finally reviewed a black one on the sand dunes in the Middle East and broke down at the end of the video and said it's literally the best off-road vehicle you ever driven and the most capable from the factory. Factory sway bar disconnecting the front and back, solid axles, front and rear lockers, traction control like our Rovers, wider stance, lower center of gravity and he said I don't know why Landover can't make something like this it's so simple and literally has everything you need and can fit 35 inch tires stock. I just don't want to drive a Jeep Rubicon cuz you see them everywhere LOL I would love if I could take one and fit a Rover body on top
It would have been good to see them all with the same tyres even if the diameters were different, at least the same tread patern and rubber compound. Still a good demonstration of how good the Discovery is, which ever you choose.
I love how you can se the air suspension work on 14:20, it's interesting how it just keeps the body stable while pushing those tires into the sand. The tire pressure and type of tire made all the difference though. The D4 held a lot of momentum going up the sand hill, the D3 not so much.
Two things stopped the Disco 3, the driver and the tyre pressures. He was driving a bit slowly and the tyre pressures for sand are best around 15 to 18psi. Those pressures would to some extent counterbalance his slower approach. The tread had little to do with it. In fact the more highway tread lets the tyres “float” more whereas the all terrain chunky treaded tyres would dig in more and are not as effective on sand. You can run a Disco at 10 psi and not roll a tyre off the rim due to the design of the bead lock on the rims.
I guess it was not only a video of the vehicles but also a video of the owners LOL when they mentioned he is in sand mode but at 36 lb I thought wow this driver just knows how to read levers
@@chaquisa1 yes I agree with you on the rocky Parts he look very inexperienced plus his choosing to not are down just shows you. But I think on the Sandy Hill Climb even when he did are down I think that that D3 having way way less horsepower and the D4 and even the D2 which allowed them to get momentum also. They should have chose a TD 5 or maybe just not such a weak D3 engine level
Yeah that D3 had way too much air in the tires regardless of the tread type. 36 PSI is ridiculous and then it said the driver reduced it 4 PSI I'm like wow that's it. It was a bad driver. Plus that particular D3 had way less horsepower than both of the other disco's not allowing for catching speed and momentum. What he said about the D2 was right though the solid axles and Simplicity still having traction control with the ability to do lots of mods and build your dream rig with so much articulation.. something they didn't mention the 2003 Discovery 2 had the transfer case it doesn't even allow for an aftermarket CDL lever so that one was only all wheel drive not even CDL four-wheel drive and it did all that just old traction control.
But it didn't come with a rear Locker. All of these were Factory except for maybe the tires or whatever. You take the ABS fuse out of the D2 and then you have a D1
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 Agree in part. Some years of the D2 didn't came with the lever for the Central diff locks, and even without the3 fuse, it still has rear air bags. And I think that even without the rear diff installed the D1 you overcame the obstacles
Proud 2014 LR4 v8 owner here, car is not only offroad monster but its a really fast car on street too.. i believe this is the best discovery model year ever made
It would have been nice to swap the wheels form the 4 to the 3 and see the real difference. You have two cars on AT tyrtes and one on basically road tyres so the 3 was always going to be at a disadvantage offroad.
Yeah on the second obstacle that would have helped the D3 a lot but honestly really he just had way too much pressure in the tires 36psi on sand and only dropped 4psi on 2nd try. Bad driver. . Also the D4 has much more horsepower to gain lots of speed and momentum before to the sand hill climb. Even the D2 had more horsepower than that D3. Crazy part also is that the two didn't come with CDL and you can even add it to the 2003 to transfer case didn't even have that part on it from the factory it's the only one you can't add so it was just all-wheel drive not 4wd
I own currently a Disco 4 5.0l V8. Powerfull car but I owned a Disco 3, 2.7l diesel before as well and they did not do the car justice. That car is more than capable to run that dune to the dust. The problem was, the tyres should be 1.2 bar. I live in Namibia and in any sand tyre pressure goes from 0.8 to 1.2 bar. The reason for the disco 2 victory was because of its tyre pressure at 1.4 bar and in itself too hard. Tyres and tyre pressure plays a big big role at any 4x4 obstacle.
I have a wonderful Discovery 4, SDV6, and its off-road behavior is incredible. In the sand it is one of the best, it is difficult for another 4x4 to be more efficient. Really Discovery 4, one of the best SUV that exists today!
Диас, добрый день. Почему бы в начале видео не приветствовать всех со словами, что съёмки идут в Казахстане, в Алматы. Небольшой вклад в популяризацию как говорится.
after owning nissan patrols, mutiple highly modified landcruiser 70 series and a landcruiser 200 and a few other 4x4s i have got to say the couple of landrovers (disco 3 and disco 4) my self and the family had were the greatest of all time they were so good and unstoppable with minimal modifications. im currentlty selling my isuzu to go back to another land rover im getting a discovery 2 this time. and out of all the cars i had the land rover was the one with the least amount of issues believe it or not, it even surprised me. to me and this is un biased ( as i have owned countless 4x4 models and brands) the landrovers are the greatest 4x4s of all time
Great video! LR3 was done dirty. As mentioned above, the tires were the wrong type. Should have been the V8 model. Since it was designed around that powertrain. Should have had the rear locker, if it did ST tires wouldnt have slowed it down so much. Driver should have gunned it up that sandy hill. Out of personal experience, sand mode in the LR3 isn't that great.
Not only the wrong type for the rockier climbs but the wrong PSI for the sand. He failed the first time at 36 lb and then reduced it by 4 lb still too high haha was a bad driver. Now even with the right PSI the D2 and the D4 in the test had more horsepower than the D3 and could gain more speed and momentum at the bottom of the Sand Hill
I had a 94 Disco 1, 200 TdI, for over ten years. Sold it and bought a 2001 Disco 2, 4L V8, which I love. I would never buy a Disco 3 or newer. Live axles rule.
@@landrover1155 yeah sometimes people get really hung up on the independent suspension having just a slightly higher ground clearance in the very center of the vehicle but not realizing that they lose the articulation especially even more so when these kind have the right setting that pushes the air Springs maximum height too stiff. Almost makes me wonder if the streets setting of the air suspension would be better because at least it has some positive and negative travel. It's like Land Rover went from knowing what they're doing to just trying to think of something unique and strange to do with every new design. Like achieving the same things in the most complicated way possible as opposed to like a brand new Jeep Rubicon front and rear lockers, front and rear sway bar disconnects, similar type of traction control those guys never talk about and solid axles. Seems like Land Rover would make it least one vehicle that way having the four-by-four Heritage they do
The D2 might have only been all wheel drive because it's a 2003. Every year except for 2003 has CDL on the transfer case and you could just add the lever to the interior. At least the ones sold in America. So that means this one did it like a Subaru but with low range haha that's pretty impressive
I saw a Mazda MX5 go up a hill in the dead of winter time when all-wheel drive SUVs couldn't. Tires are literally everything, yet they are always overlooked in comparisons.
Really enjoyed your video Diyas, great to see you do direct comparisons for each generation, and I like the way you stop on the diagonal to eliminate momentum.
At 11:38 the tires are more street seasonal while the others had a much more aggressive tire. Regardless, Its seriously impressive that it made it with those tires!
If this should be a test, you should at least use the same wheels and tires. The D3 ar on stock wheels and «mall crawler» tires. The D4 is on BFG KO2 and larger diameter. Thats the whole different.
Probably because the D1 could not even do the first thing when they stopped at the cross axle section with wheel spin and all of them needed traction control to make it. You can take the ABS fuse out of the D2 and there is your D1
Hello from the UK .I have had a Discovery 2 powered by a TD5 2.5 litre .I now have a Discovery 3 powered by a 2.7 litre V6 ample power both towing a twin axle caravan .
That's what is so frustrating about all the new models especially the defender. 18in Wheels being the smallest and low profile tires. Even if you get aggressive low profile tires you cannot tear them down and make the footprint longer. It's just weird that a four-by-four only company with that Heritage doesn't make their vehicles that way how Jeep does
I have a '99 TD5 Disco 2 and I'm in love with it. However, despite the Traction Control system is very effective, it is also a pain in the ass when it fails, which is more often than one would like to.
Yeah once you work out the bugs on yours I'm assuming maybe you haven't had it really long. Then the traction control system stays pretty good. After I did the shuttle valve and rewire I had one ABS sensor go bad after that it only does it if your brakes are really dirty and you press them and they squeak or something. I just don't go down rabbit holes with all the people on Facebook following continuity and testing all this stupid stuff I just have a good scanner and I replace what it tells me. Also you can tell if it's the brakes or the Hub because they will make noise and the ABS sensor electronics are basically electrical vibrations and if the brakes or the Hub are making vibrations that hinder the electronic vibrations which are obvious because you can hear the Hub and feel it or hear the brakes then you know it's those. Otherwise when it's all said and done it's just the ABS sensors most the time. I just don't listen to other people online I just scan it and replace it and it's been good for a long time and when it's not it's easy to fix.
I LOVE your channel - probably the most unbiased and toughest testing. Stunning scenery. I had a TD5 Discovery 2 for a while. It was the GS model so had air rear springs. I wonder what this one had? It was incredible offroad. Nothing beats a beam axle. air springs are good but when you pump up the ride height the ride becomes very hard. My old V8 110 county station wagon had a better ride offroad. L322 Range Rovers are amazing offroad as well. LandRovers are definitely king!
It's been long since you last posted, I really enjoy your content. If only these cars were a turd more reliable, the car industry would bow down. Something perhaps was wrong with the discovery 3, discovery 4 is something else. I v seen a D3 with a small 2.7 diesel engine mercilessly destroying a 2018 land cruiser with the mighty 5.7L and and a Nisani patrol 5.6L. I refused to believe it but I v been a long time owner of land rovers, I know what they can do to other brands on dirt tracks!
Yeah you are right. That's where you have the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The Rubicon still has solid front and rear axles, front and rear lockers, front and rear sway bar disconnects, and traction control like these all Factory with 35s Factory. I don't know why Land Rover got all weird and Jeep stayed good
Disco 4 really is the daddy. Classic Land Rover design and in the HSE trim it doesn't really fall short of a Range Rover in the luxury department either.
Bare in mind, the Disco 4 didn't do the momentum stop on the 3rd challenge, so continued using momentum to get through. And had the freedom of drive mode with auto box to build up a lot of speed for the hill climb..the Disco 2 was limited to 3rd gear.. when they are in the toughest terrain the D2 is the daddy!
The test between these cars shows the three most important things in off-road driving: Tyres, tyres and tyres. Swap the tyres around on the D3 & D4 and run that test again.
Disco 2,3,4 presented here are better off roaders than the modern gle, x6 or q7/q8 and costs fraction of the audi, merc or bmw. Add some lift and at or mt tires and discos are becoming a great off road cars to conquer most of the terrain.
The old discovery 2 is seriously underrated as a 4x4. I’ve got a 2001 which we’ve owned from new and it just does everything I ask of it. Family adventures up inside the artic circle in Norway 🇳🇴 to southern Spain 🇪🇸 in the soaring heat…. It tows a trailer every now and then and ventures off road on camping trips in wild wales 🏴 and Scotland 🏴.
It’s collected both my children from hospital when they were born and my eldest passed his driving test in it. The car holds so many memories we will never let it go.
@@MrLordingitoriginally on the rr classic Chassis was the discovery 1
That's right! Discover2!! Especially, is there a traditional SUV that can surpass the TD5??? I've been driving the Discover2 td5 for a long time and it's the same today and tomorrow! I'm looking for a 'Discover2-td5' in good condition for my tired friend who drives the Defender 110. Here in Korea!! I think I found it again... Let's go together!!! ㅡ I really hope the parts for sale of the D2 last a long time... I have to pass it down to my young son!!!! (from S. Korea~)
I think the LR3's short comings were due to tyres. The disco 2 was on maxis AT, the disco 4 on BF Goodrich AT, but the disco 3 was on Yokahoma AVS ST tyres, which perhaps are more geared towards road driving whereas the 2 and 4 were on more off road tyres. I think that's the reason the 3 didn't perform as well as it should have
I agree 💯%+! The tires on the LR3 also looked badly worn! They also seemed to be closer to stock size/height with the lowest side wall. I believe that LR4 may have also had a rear locker.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 the rear lock (electric controlled) came standard on my LR 4 in the UK so it probably does you're correct
@@darrenrider5676 my D4 don't have a rear locker, they were pretty rare as far as I'm aware
Agreed Darren, also, I don't know why the LR3 didn't drop tyre pressures for the hill climb? Strange. I would have thought for a true comparison on all 3 vehicles, they all would have the same tyres and pressures.
@@darrenrider5676 you are incorrect only on HD package vehciles
That disco 2 at around 20 plus years old is just amazing, especially when compared to previous videos of other newer vehicles of different brands.
Also it's a 2000 3 so the transfer case doesn't even have the CDL option for them to have added the lever that means it's only all-wheel-drive and traction control
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 true, but you can have it enabled. It does have a cdl on the transfer case, just not connected. Not sure if it was enabled on the one in the video, either way, very impressive for a 23 yr old vehicle and would've matched the disco 4 on the hill climb if the driver had deflated tyre pressure to about 1 bar.
solid axles and good traction control makes it great !
@@rjakoet actually the 2003 at least here in America is the only one that came with a transfer case that does not have the selector built-in to the top of it so you can't even buy a CDL lever and install it. That's what made the people so upset in 2003 to make Land Rover release the 2004 that had one. My friend had a 2003 and the top of the transfer box is completely smooth right there it sucks. So there's a chance that might have only been traction control LOL
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I didn't know that. I have a 2000 td5 and had the CDL link installed. I thought they all had the same transfer case with the unconnected difflock nut on top of the case.
Old rovers are seriously underrated as off roaders, i got an 04 discovery and in 4low with the diff locked it is a mountain goat and will literally climb anything. I love it, its the perfect mix of old and new school and the tech rarely fails
Well said my friend !!
Even crazier that this video is using a 2003 with no center diff lock too!
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Those old Disco 2s are no joke. They're totally underrated and you can still get them pretty cheap because everyone is afraid of them.
Got mine for 2k legit a few weeks ago and I love it I’m in the military I take it on field ops and we have a shit of fun driving it. The 3 amigos are on and the check engine light but it’s still amazing and not bad on gas. By the way anyone know how to fix that.
That's right! Discover2!! Especially, is there a traditional SUV that can surpass the TD5??? I've been driving the Discover2 td5 for a long time and it's the same today and tomorrow! I'm looking for a 'Discover2-td5' in good condition for my tired friend who drives the Defender 110. Here in Korea!! I think I found it again... Let's go together!!! ㅡ I really hope the parts for sale of the D2 last a long time... I have to pass it down to my young son!!!!
@@ooogieboogie247 3 Amigos is a minor annoyance that every D2 owner experiences! Usually it is easily solved with a 'bypass', but There is a complete kit at AB for the shuttle valve switch error.
Land Rover ABS Modulator Valve Kit (Same Fit As Genuine Part # SWO500040)
Land Rover's traction control is still unmatched. On the moderate trails in my area, Jeeps and Toyota platforms need to engage front and rear lockers to match the performance of the new Defender.
Absolutely! I live in Southern Arizona and we have some extremely tough crawler trails and I admit like a brand-new Rubicon can make things look much easier but I have a D2 just like this one and it will hang in most situations and is 22 years old. If I compared it to a Jeep or Toyota from the year 2000 it is absolutely way better. Only thing I like about a brand-new Jeeps compared to a brand new Defender is the articulation, how wide they are and how low center of gravity. The defender is still good but dimensionally they could have done better on the new one. A little top-heavy. If you park when next to a disco 5 the Disco 5 is actually lower and the body is wider which helps look at the Humvee
Tires play a big role in how they preform, At 18:08 LR3/D3 and 18:34 LR4 or D4 if you compare the thread pattern between the two, the LR4 has more aggressive threads, asymmetrical block patterns larger and deeper grooves in the tires compared to the LR3 that has less aggressive blocks with symmetrical patterns, narrow and shallower groves.
Deep aggressive asymmetrical grooves in tires on LR4/D4 helps it gain better traction on loose sand and gravely by digging into surface where there's grip, and rocky surfaces the sharp aggressive blocks on the tire help claw/grip on to those rocks thus provides strong traction.
The LR3/D3 symmetrical shallow less aggressive tires cant provide traction in those situations because of its thread pattern and design, and also wider 285 tires (tho not by much 10mm) did not help either as it cant allow the tire to dig down into surface that has traction, it just floats and spins the tire. If Lr3 had similar tires as D1 and LR4/D4 or more aggressive A/T tires it would have been just as good as its predecessor and successor.
Conclusion, do your research and choose the right tires for your adventure's environment and know its limitations, just because its stamped or says "A/T or all terrain" on the tires doesn't mean they're created equal.
See there's lots of video showing that more aggressive does not help him stand at all. I think in this case both of the newer models did not are their tires down enough but the reason why the D4 was better is because it had way more horsepower and was able to gain more speed prior and maintain more momentum throughout. If the D3 had more aggressive tread it would have still slow down the same and kept digging the same. I'm not saying more aggressive is necessarily worse but if you don't have the horsepower, not torque, to assist with those more aggressive tires that won't really matter. There's plenty of videos of completely All Season Highway tread going through sand perfect when you drop air to 20 PSI now you are absolutely correct as far as the rest of the video climbing those rocks yes the D3 did need more aggressive tread butt on the sand that wasn't the issue it was lack of power and momentum. 190 horsepower compared to the other two having well over 200 horsepower and less air in the tires. I guarantee if you put the D3 at 20 psi and the D4 at 36 PSI they would do the same because the D4 has more power to gain momentum ahead of time
I'm not trying to knock your whole tire educational post but I've driven with low horsepower diesel vehicles compared to higher horsepower vehicles and the ability to gain momentum is so much greater. I know both of these models were diesel but look at the horsepower ratings. It's clear the way the D4 was going probably three-quarters faster before they'll even started. But yeah you're correct it's just not the reason it failed the Sandhill
Used to think this, but since seeing what the new Defender can do on regular road tyres, I've come to see the light: Modern traction control is king.
I have 10 ply mud tires on a 2004 Discovery 2. Changed the highway ride but it's an off-road beast. And let's be honest. Are you beating up a 100k+ New Land Rover or having more fun in the far less expensive Discovery with front and back solid axles? I know my answer.
The only time my beloved 4.6 was referred to as a mighty V8...I'm gonna sleep well tonight. Great videos
When I first got into Land Rover and learned about the association with Ford I was expecting the 4.6 to be a Ford OHV 4.6 I would have been pretty cool
Hey I wish mine was a 4.6!
I have the HC Thor 4.0.... I do love the little work horse though
I had 2k V8 manual D2... freaking work horse... absolutely love it!!!! ... How about a RRC, P38, L322 & L405 battle?
As a Disco 4 owner, I'm happy to see this generally forgotten gem (in North America anyway) getting some love.
Why have you stopped testing. My favorite most, unbiased 4x4 RUclips channel
I own a disco 4 and is great ! The people really don’t know how capable is this 4x4.
Totally agree in how capable they are , I’ve got a D3 and very impressed with the traction control system , did u ever see the Australian guy who done a video here on U tube where he took a standard D4 on baboons pass, really good video , plus the first time I drove my D3 I couldn’t get over how nice they are to drive on the motorway , exceptionally comfortable
@@garystuart226 yes I do ! And is impressive ! I use mine to travel and do overland. Almost already travel Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay on it and is perfect to this. Cruse rivers, drive on snow and so much more.. I really love this car.
@@garystuart226 I saw that video that guy is really cool I forget his name. For the longest time he kept trying to make the Jeep Rubicon seem not as great as it is and he finally reviewed a black one on the sand dunes in the Middle East and broke down at the end of the video and said it's literally the best off-road vehicle you ever driven and the most capable from the factory. Factory sway bar disconnecting the front and back, solid axles, front and rear lockers, traction control like our Rovers, wider stance, lower center of gravity and he said I don't know why Landover can't make something like this it's so simple and literally has everything you need and can fit 35 inch tires stock. I just don't want to drive a Jeep Rubicon cuz you see them everywhere LOL I would love if I could take one and fit a Rover body on top
Agree! I’ve been amazed at the places my D4 has taken me!
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 ANDREW WHITE.!
We miss vides of this channel...why you stopped making videos guys ????? 😕😕
It would have been good to see them all with the same tyres even if the diameters were different, at least the same tread patern and rubber compound. Still a good demonstration of how good the Discovery is, which ever you choose.
I love how you can se the air suspension work on 14:20, it's interesting how it just keeps the body stable while pushing those tires into the sand. The tire pressure and type of tire made all the difference though. The D4 held a lot of momentum going up the sand hill, the D3 not so much.
Two things stopped the Disco 3, the driver and the tyre pressures. He was driving a bit slowly and the tyre pressures for sand are best around 15 to 18psi. Those pressures would to some extent counterbalance his slower approach. The tread had little to do with it. In fact the more highway tread lets the tyres “float” more whereas the all terrain chunky treaded tyres would dig in more and are not as effective on sand. You can run a Disco at 10 psi and not roll a tyre off the rim due to the design of the bead lock on the rims.
I guess it was not only a video of the vehicles but also a video of the owners LOL when they mentioned he is in sand mode but at 36 lb I thought wow this driver just knows how to read levers
IMHO i think the D3 driver is not experienced My d3 always out performs a D4
@@chaquisa1 yes I agree with you on the rocky Parts he look very inexperienced plus his choosing to not are down just shows you. But I think on the Sandy Hill Climb even when he did are down I think that that D3 having way way less horsepower and the D4 and even the D2 which allowed them to get momentum also. They should have chose a TD 5 or maybe just not such a weak D3 engine level
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 Yep the D3 V8 would have made a big difference regards HP
More like 0.5 to 0.8 bar needed.
Finally the long awaited comparison. I thoroughly enjoyed this one, that Disco II was phenomenal
Put the cars on similar tires. You have to compare apples and apples.
Why not making new videos😢?
Cool battle, but you handicapped the D3 with those tyres, next time make sure everyone have the same tyres to be fair.
The waiting paid off, great video as always!
I thought I was the only one who waited for he's promise
Yeah I was going crazy waiting for this video haha I even saw the Russian language version that came out before this one and I was watching it
10:50 The Disco 4 was able to pass the test smoothly probably because it didn't do the mandatory momentum stop.
Exactly what I was gonna say. Also the Disco 3 had more road type tyres. Much less grip.
I also have a 2001 D2 that I upgraded to 4.6 liter and enabled the CDL by installing a D1 shift lever. I'm never giving it up.
I’ve a 2013 D4 on scorpions and it’s unstoppable. It’s my 4th disco (had 2 x D3s and 2 x D4s) absolutely love them. Great video
Yeah that D3 had way too much air in the tires regardless of the tread type. 36 PSI is ridiculous and then it said the driver reduced it 4 PSI I'm like wow that's it. It was a bad driver. Plus that particular D3 had way less horsepower than both of the other disco's not allowing for catching speed and momentum. What he said about the D2 was right though the solid axles and Simplicity still having traction control with the ability to do lots of mods and build your dream rig with so much articulation.. something they didn't mention the 2003 Discovery 2 had the transfer case it doesn't even allow for an aftermarket CDL lever so that one was only all wheel drive not even CDL four-wheel drive and it did all that just old traction control.
I worked on the prototype bodyshell of the discovery at Lode Lane.
One of the best off roader Britain has ever produced.🇬🇧👍
You left out the best Disco of the line. An old and reliable Discovery one equipped with an aftermarket rear diff locker.
But it didn't come with a rear Locker. All of these were Factory except for maybe the tires or whatever. You take the ABS fuse out of the D2 and then you have a D1
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 Agree in part. Some years of the D2 didn't came with the lever for the Central diff locks, and even without the3 fuse, it still has rear air bags. And I think that even without the rear diff installed the D1 you overcame the obstacles
Hey, why did you stop making videos 😢
Why are you not making videos from a long time?
It has something to do with 🇷🇺 🇺🇦 🔫
Proud 2014 LR4 v8 owner here, car is not only offroad monster but its a really fast car on street too.. i believe this is the best discovery model year ever made
Why no more videos?? It’s been 6 months
kanalı unutmuş 😂😂
Isn’t this in Russian
I mean his from Russia right?
@@GrahameRamos-x7q that stinks hopefully he is ok
It would have been nice to swap the wheels form the 4 to the 3 and see the real difference.
You have two cars on AT tyrtes and one on basically road tyres so the 3 was always going to be at a disadvantage offroad.
Yeah on the second obstacle that would have helped the D3 a lot but honestly really he just had way too much pressure in the tires 36psi on sand and only dropped 4psi on 2nd try. Bad driver. . Also the D4 has much more horsepower to gain lots of speed and momentum before to the sand hill climb. Even the D2 had more horsepower than that D3. Crazy part also is that the two didn't come with CDL and you can even add it to the 2003 to transfer case didn't even have that part on it from the factory it's the only one you can't add so it was just all-wheel drive not 4wd
I own currently a Disco 4 5.0l V8. Powerfull car but I owned a Disco 3, 2.7l diesel before as well and they did not do the car justice. That car is more than capable to run that dune to the dust. The problem was, the tyres should be 1.2 bar. I live in Namibia and in any sand tyre pressure goes from 0.8 to 1.2 bar. The reason for the disco 2 victory was because of its tyre pressure at 1.4 bar and in itself too hard. Tyres and tyre pressure plays a big big role at any 4x4 obstacle.
I own a 2015 Disco 4 HSE Luxury that's never been off-road. Just saying.
@@dipladonic have some fun, you have an unstoppable beast
I have a wonderful Discovery 4, SDV6, and its off-road behavior is incredible. In the sand it is one of the best, it is difficult for another 4x4 to be more efficient. Really Discovery 4, one of the best SUV that exists today!
Tyres tyres tyres. They make a massive difference
When these old discos work they are actually pretty impressive. When they work...
I am really happy that you still have activity
Best car I ever bought was my D2..an extremely capable machine.
I love my D2 many hours underneath the car for many hours of fun
Why aren’t you posting?😢
me, living nowhere near offroad areas: Cool, this was helpful!
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Why was the discovery 1 not included. Is there such a vehicle?
Диас, добрый день. Почему бы в начале видео не приветствовать всех со словами, что съёмки идут в Казахстане, в Алматы.
Небольшой вклад в популяризацию как говорится.
Thank you. I was wondering about the location. Greetings from Germany :)
after owning nissan patrols, mutiple highly modified landcruiser 70 series and a landcruiser 200 and a few other 4x4s i have got to say the couple of landrovers (disco 3 and disco 4) my self and the family had were the greatest of all time they were so good and unstoppable with minimal modifications. im currentlty selling my isuzu to go back to another land rover im getting a discovery 2 this time. and out of all the cars i had the land rover was the one with the least amount of issues believe it or not, it even surprised me. to me and this is un biased ( as i have owned countless 4x4 models and brands) the landrovers are the greatest 4x4s of all time
Yeah I think if they are well maintained they are very good designs. Especially the D2 I feel like it's a very Stout set up underneath
Cannot agree more a well-maintained D4 is unstoppable. Minimal issues with my one at 200k kms
When will we have a new video ?
Recently bought the D4 SDV6 HSE 8sp & I absolutely love it. Had a couple D2, both TD5s, again superb vehicles. Awesome video 👏
Everyone is praising the D4 but it clearly didn’t stop at 10:36 and just used momentum to get over the rock the D3 struggled on
Great video! LR3 was done dirty. As mentioned above, the tires were the wrong type. Should have been the V8 model. Since it was designed around that powertrain. Should have had the rear locker, if it did ST tires wouldnt have slowed it down so much. Driver should have gunned it up that sandy hill. Out of personal experience, sand mode in the LR3 isn't that great.
Not only the wrong type for the rockier climbs but the wrong PSI for the sand. He failed the first time at 36 lb and then reduced it by 4 lb still too high haha was a bad driver. Now even with the right PSI the D2 and the D4 in the test had more horsepower than the D3 and could gain more speed and momentum at the bottom of the Sand Hill
Really interesting, but I would really liked to see a Discovery 1 on this test without traction control but with central diff locker
Its amazing that you could get all these out there together. I thought flr sure one would still be in the shop
I had a 94 Disco 1, 200 TdI, for over ten years. Sold it and bought a 2001 Disco 2, 4L V8, which I love. I would never buy a Disco 3 or newer. Live axles rule.
i love your videos Dias , just the best and well detailed.
The LR3 had terrible tires, that tread design has zero off-road prowess.
@@landrover1155 yeah sometimes people get really hung up on the independent suspension having just a slightly higher ground clearance in the very center of the vehicle but not realizing that they lose the articulation especially even more so when these kind have the right setting that pushes the air Springs maximum height too stiff. Almost makes me wonder if the streets setting of the air suspension would be better because at least it has some positive and negative travel. It's like Land Rover went from knowing what they're doing to just trying to think of something unique and strange to do with every new design. Like achieving the same things in the most complicated way possible as opposed to like a brand new Jeep Rubicon front and rear lockers, front and rear sway bar disconnects, similar type of traction control those guys never talk about and solid axles. Seems like Land Rover would make it least one vehicle that way having the four-by-four Heritage they do
Great comparison 👍🏼 thanks a lot!
Where are you Diyas? It has been a year!
Been waiting for this!!!!
The poor d3 had to do the challenge on street tires
The D2 might have only been all wheel drive because it's a 2003. Every year except for 2003 has CDL on the transfer case and you could just add the lever to the interior. At least the ones sold in America. So that means this one did it like a Subaru but with low range haha that's pretty impressive
Please come back 😢
I saw a Mazda MX5 go up a hill in the dead of winter time when all-wheel drive SUVs couldn't.
Tires are literally everything, yet they are always overlooked in comparisons.
The disco2 does not look stock/standard. What are the modifications and was it using the centre locking diff at any point?
This is probably much tuffer terrain then what it looks like on camera.
Especially from the driver set.
Really enjoyed your video Diyas, great to see you do direct comparisons for each generation, and I like the way you stop on the diagonal to eliminate momentum.
At 11:38 the tires are more street seasonal while the others had a much more aggressive tire.
Regardless, Its seriously impressive that it made it with those tires!
If this should be a test, you should at least use the same wheels and tires. The D3 ar on stock wheels and «mall crawler» tires. The D4 is on BFG KO2 and larger diameter. Thats the whole different.
This is the best channel ever, I wish you would do also shorter videos for car reviews.
Excited to see Jeep Compass tested on the next video!
Love this please make contents regular and please make next video about pickup truck race
Very good comparison amd video!
Very nice film. Thank you
GREAT VIDEO, THANKYOU. We need a comparison between the lr3 lr4 and the range rovers!!!!
Love your channel , from Canada 🇨🇦
Recently just bought a new F150 tremor . Have fun and keep the shiny side up
Hey, you skipped a generation! I love my Disco 1!
Great breakdown, thanks for sharing!
Probably because the D1 could not even do the first thing when they stopped at the cross axle section with wheel spin and all of them needed traction control to make it. You can take the ABS fuse out of the D2 and there is your D1
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 It would be fun to try!
So glad you posted a new video. All your videos are very enjoyable.
Aamzing perf from Discovery 2 & Discovery 4 !
Very interesting video, thanks for posting
Need to have same driver and tires to compare the cars…
Great video! Big thank you👏
Hello from the UK .I have had a Discovery 2 powered by a TD5 2.5 litre .I now have a Discovery 3 powered by a 2.7 litre V6 ample power both towing a twin axle caravan .
Great work getting this toghether. Too bad they did not have the same tires. Hard to rank them without similar shoes...
we are enjoin this video.we are also very big fans of land rovers
great video but I'm even more excited for the next one
These cars are built to go anywhere indeed, but tires do make quite a difference and the D3 proves it.
That's what is so frustrating about all the new models especially the defender. 18in Wheels being the smallest and low profile tires. Even if you get aggressive low profile tires you cannot tear them down and make the footprint longer. It's just weird that a four-by-four only company with that Heritage doesn't make their vehicles that way how Jeep does
I have a '99 TD5 Disco 2 and I'm in love with it. However, despite the Traction Control system is very effective, it is also a pain in the ass when it fails, which is more often than one would like to.
Yeah once you work out the bugs on yours I'm assuming maybe you haven't had it really long. Then the traction control system stays pretty good. After I did the shuttle valve and rewire I had one ABS sensor go bad after that it only does it if your brakes are really dirty and you press them and they squeak or something. I just don't go down rabbit holes with all the people on Facebook following continuity and testing all this stupid stuff I just have a good scanner and I replace what it tells me. Also you can tell if it's the brakes or the Hub because they will make noise and the ABS sensor electronics are basically electrical vibrations and if the brakes or the Hub are making vibrations that hinder the electronic vibrations which are obvious because you can hear the Hub and feel it or hear the brakes then you know it's those. Otherwise when it's all said and done it's just the ABS sensors most the time. I just don't listen to other people online I just scan it and replace it and it's been good for a long time and when it's not it's easy to fix.
I LOVE your channel - probably the most unbiased and toughest testing. Stunning scenery.
I had a TD5 Discovery 2 for a while. It was the GS model so had air rear springs. I wonder what this one had? It was incredible offroad. Nothing beats a beam axle. air springs are good but when you pump up the ride height the ride becomes very hard. My old V8 110 county station wagon had a better ride offroad. L322 Range Rovers are amazing offroad as well. LandRovers are definitely king!
Very good video!!! Thanks!!!!
Love how the D4 driver knew NOT to use the traction control system in the sand lol.
Finally!!!! Been waiting for y’all to drop a video. Been so long🥹
Land rover discovery 2 ,Older models always the best!! ❤ , Bad boy!!😊
It's been long since you last posted, I really enjoy your content. If only these cars were a turd more reliable, the car industry would bow down. Something perhaps was wrong with the discovery 3, discovery 4 is something else. I v seen a D3 with a small 2.7 diesel engine mercilessly destroying a 2018 land cruiser with the mighty 5.7L and and a Nisani patrol 5.6L.
I refused to believe it but I v been a long time owner of land rovers, I know what they can do to other brands on dirt tracks!
Yeah you are right. That's where you have the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The Rubicon still has solid front and rear axles, front and rear lockers, front and rear sway bar disconnects, and traction control like these all Factory with 35s Factory. I don't know why Land Rover got all weird and Jeep stayed good
Amazing video my friend!
Great video. Love the details
I really enjoy these videos.
Disco 4 really is the daddy. Classic Land Rover design and in the HSE trim it doesn't really fall short of a Range Rover in the luxury department either.
Bare in mind, the Disco 4 didn't do the momentum stop on the 3rd challenge, so continued using momentum to get through. And had the freedom of drive mode with auto box to build up a lot of speed for the hill climb..the Disco 2 was limited to 3rd gear.. when they are in the toughest terrain the D2 is the daddy!
Thanks for thls video, i really like your car reviews.
The test between these cars shows the three most important things in off-road driving: Tyres, tyres and tyres. Swap the tyres around on the D3 & D4 and run that test again.
Where are the new videos...guys
Im looking for discavery 4 ,what year best??
D2, brilliant for it's age, D4, another level.. Standard they are fantastic off road (with the right tyres of course)
Yeah if that's an American 2003 D2 that it doesn't have CDL even on the transfer case so he was just all-wheel drive doing all that
Disco 2,3,4 presented here are better off roaders than the modern gle, x6 or q7/q8 and costs fraction of the audi, merc or bmw. Add some lift and at or mt tires and discos are becoming a great off road cars to conquer most of the terrain.
What a lovely beautiful video.