The V-Strom 800 DE is BETTER than the Transalp - 2023 Suzuki versus Honda ADV Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Ridge Roamer dives into details on these new middleweight adventure motorcycles to see which is actually better in a variety of categories including design, power, suspension, brakes, features, and more. Which is best, and can either of them beat the Yamaha Tenere 700?
Suzuki honestly just builds amazing bikes. They are well built and reliable. Features tend to be more basic but that doesn’t interfere with the true riding experience.
Agree. Unfortunately they build so ugly bikes
I really appreciate both the brands, Honda and Suzuki. Both of them build amazing and reliable bikes in my opinion.
@@edgarv.611 Interesting perspective, given the v-strom is far better looking than the Transalp
@@downhillupsidethe 1st gen v-strom is ugly and I got one, 92k miles and can’t help but love it. The new one looks awesome!
Well built and reliable, i guess the cracked frames are a plus nowadays.
Until you ride both you can't decide which is better. Spec sheets tell half a story. These sorts of video's grind my gears.
Yea I agree, but I still watched it. What does 'better' mean anyway. I tried to avoid thinking 'better' rather 'what suits me'.
It tells half the story, next half is to ride it.
And then you discover gas tank is under the seat, air filter is behind non-removable headlamp, service interval is every third weekend and valves are adjusted with shims. Specs are like "this girl is 6 feet tall, brown hair".
100%.
@@lauraiss1027 which Motorcycle model are you referring to?
I have a 2006 Suzuki DL V-Strom 1000. I bought it new in Greece, rode it all the way to the UK, where I still use it almost daily. It has done more than 70,000 miles. Problems? None. Absolutely none. You have to work on the bike to experience what I have experienced, it has good quality rubbers, good quality electrical connectors, layers upon layers of screws, clips and hooks to hold the bodywork tightly in place. It just feels like "someone" wanted to make a bike that would last. It hasn't blown a single bulb, what else is there for me to say more?
On the topic, something that impresses me, the bulbs are Philips, german. The radiator coolant hose clamps say: "Made in USA" on them. The ECU is made by Mitsubishi. It seems they looked around the entire planet, to find the best parts they could use. Well, it worked.
I am looking now to buy a replacement. Not a replacement, I will always have the DL. A successor for daily life let's say. It will be a second-hand 2017 model, I have full confidence it will be absolutely fine. These things are bulletproof.
A small observation on the video, if I may: At point 1:15' it seems to me that it has two counter-balancer shafts not one, one in front of the crankshaft and one under it.
Me living in Greece owning a 2002 dl1000 I can confirm after 130000 klm it is bulletproof.
I have a dl 650 with 238 000 kms on it. Never adjusted the valves. Ever.
I have my DR 800 since 1992 with more than 100K, Travelling to Greece from time to time and she still needs no oil 💘
@@nomayor1 I checked the valves, Isaac Newton. They are within spec.
@@nomayor1 238 000 kms, not 290 000. I did not neglect my bike. You just assumed that.
The thing that Transalp has advantages are:
•You can select the aftermarket accessory packages such as: Touring, Comfort, etc.
•Phone connectivity which is important to me in my opinion.
•You can customise riding mode
•You don't have to add stuffs you don't want.
However, Suzuki have it all as a standard stuff(except Phone connectivity, customisable riding mode, and of course, side/top bags which it can be sold separately).
But still, I'll still buy V-Strom 800DE for these reasons:
•Having more fuel capacity
•Menacing looks, especially the beak(which is always a subjective matter)
•Making quickshifter as standard which makes my ride more comfortable, less stress.
Tuareg 660 first then Suzi I think!
Having been a Honda customer for over 40 years, I was very disappointed with the quality of my last bike and the attitude of Honda Customer Service, so for me Honda will have to improve a lot before I would go back to them. I have also noticed a trend recently for Honda to produce bikes which are bland and unexciting, bikes such as the NT1100 and the new Hornet. I am sure they are good bikes, but they don't make me wish I owned one. Then along comes the much-anticipated Transalp and yet again Honda plays it safe, with another uninspiring design. I can only think that Honda has lost the plot or are watching every penny. Compared to the Suzuki, it is a no contest for me. Yes, people will still buy the Honda just because it is a Honda, but the Suzuki is head and shoulders the better bike. Well done, Suzuki.
I was also disappointed with the NT, and I feel no spark for the Transalp either. I agree with you, Philip.
Why buy the Honda when you think the Suzuki is the better bike? aren't you taking brand loyalty a bit far?
Parting out a lot of production to the big C to keep costs low - quality and reliability are getting worse with Honda....
I've owned Honda's and Suzuki's as well as other brands, so I can't be accused of brand loyalty. In this case with similar power and more torque along with standard quick shifter, adjustable screen guards and most importantly way more suspension travel IMHO it's the Suzuki that is the winner here.
25kg more heavy
I possessed the old 600 Transalp and the old 750 Africa Twin and I have good souvenirs of these Honda midsize bikes. This time I recognize that Suzuki made a slightly better 800 V-Strom bike and if I decide to buy a mid weight adventure bike I will choose this Suzuki 800 V-Strom. I agree with your analysis and comparison between these two new very good bikes.
Ok anche io, possessore di 600 transalp 92 in foto la penso come te, mi sembra che la suzuki 800 de sia superiore.
I toured Europe on the original XLV600 and loved it, but wanted something with better fuel economy that would sit in the same sort of riding category. Bought a 2016 CB500X, which is a great bike for the outlay, but definitely needs money spending on the suspension, especially if you plan to do anything more than easy gravel roads. All the CB lacked was tubless spoked wheels (preferably 21/18), a few more ponies and a diet. The new CB5 X is a better prospect but it's still a compromise on power. When the new transalp was announced I was really hoping they'd take the initiative, but I think they missed the mark. 206kgs before adding any meaningful protection, basic (albeit decent) suspension, and tubed rims! It'll be a great commuter/tourer but in it's current form I can't see it being particularly good off road. Last hope is the promised new NX 500, based on the CB platform, but if they still don't utilize a bolt-on rear subframe, and increase the power output, I'll be disappointed. I also own an old suzuki freewind, which is essentially a restyled DR650 with lowered frame and 19/17 spoked rims. Well designed and bolted together. Hands down better bike off road than the CB 500 X, but it's a single so not quite as refined on tarmac. I think the new V Strom (P strom?) will be the 'go to' bike for more off piste adventure touring, but it needs to shed some weight...
Well, I was gunning for the Honda but I'm considering the Suzuki to be my first adventure bike, excellent engine, more range, suspension travel, and a well and savvy made frame. Thumbs up 👍💪
If u want a real.Adv bike at the same price...the winner IS Teneré 700 World Raid...
This is exactly what I've been saying. 100% agree. Both bikes are awesome but Suzuki really surprised me and has won me over. And to be honest if you had asked me last week I was 100% on board with the Honda. Suzuki really stepped up thier game. Totally impressed and totally planning on getting the grey adventure model.
Also Suzuki has MUCH better factory accessories. They use SW Motek aluminum panniers and bash plate. Top of the line stuff. Hondas panniers are plastic and their bash plate is Very thin.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for your input. I agree!
The grey and yellow colorway is my favorite
Concordo sul colore grigio/giallo molto bello
Will go with Suzuki. Sounds great on paper. Hope it will be cheaper than Honda.
It would be a tough decision, but I would go for the suzuki. I have owned a couple of vstroms in the past,DL650 & DL1000, both bikes were incredible machines.
Upgraded my 6yrs old 650 v-strom to a new 800. Very happy indeed, the only features missing 1) larger windshield and 2) cruise control. Waiting for aftermarket versions of these.
To be fair, the Vstrom is the DE, which is on the 1050 is the up-specced version, and the Transalp looks like the base version.
But just based on the engine, expected dyno's... Vstrom all the way. HP wins at the track, but torque makes the world go around.
Suzuki - very underrated in my opinion. I was eagerly expecting the Transalp release, only to be left underwhelmed. To be honest I was expecting more from Honda, a harder edge to the Transalp and more off-road cred filtered down from the Africa Twin. I didn't happen, so I was left a little disappointed - like when Kawasaki released the new KLR - underwhelmed and disappointed and an opportunity missed! If I had to choose, it would be the V-Strom 800 DE for sure.
The transalp always has been aimed more towards road than offroad.
@@kino266 l know mate. I rode one from London halway around the world
Both looks very nice !
But definitely i will choose Suzuki, it seams to be more versatile, slitely more off road oriented.
Not at 230kg wet…
@Ridge Roamer. That's an excellent comparison. Well done!
In my book the V-Strom has a better suspension and the Transalp is lighter. Thats the bottom line for me. On paper of course since we 'll have to wait to see how both the suspensions work in the real world and how is the center of gravity placed on both bikes. Still full suspension adjustabillity on the V-Strom and less weight on the Transalp are objective.
Also from specs only, the Transalp has higher power output but we'll have to see real world usable power in both engines since they are both new designs.
What's a deal breaker for me it's not the lack of cruise control on both bikes but the tubed tires. These are not hard core off-road bikes and touring (or adventure touring) bikes should have tubeless wheels in my opinion. But in this category only the Aprilia Tuareg has got that right (plus the cruise control if you think that's important). I'm guessing that sooner than later both companies will present versions with the more standard 19"-17" tubeless wheels as it's almost impossible to address this issue with aftermarket solutions.
I'm leaning toward the Suzuki. Ultimately we will have to see how they ride.
I am a fan of Honda but I admit that the Transalp has disappointed me
I am a Honda guy as well, but lately Honda is ruin the looks big time. Look at the rebel, nt100 and hornet they look ugly.
😄😄
I had a v strom and a transalp.
My next bile will be the new transalp for sure
Yellow? Come on Suzy make it prettier
I had several hondas and one suzuki v strom.....my n'est bike is goi g to be this v strom 800 beauty.....v stroms are soooo fantastic.....check the internet once you ve riden à v strom ...you are hooked with v stroms for life!!
@@falchiherve2024 ha ha ha 😄
After watching that, I'm def getting a T7 🤣🤣🤣
Both bikes are great bike... I think that depend on personal preferences. Suzuki and Honda are very good brands!!!! Congratulations from Spain... Enjoy the Suzuki or Honda as you prefer!!!!
Honestly, I would rarely ride the bike hard enough to warrant hand guards or a skid plate and could care less if the windshield is adjustable. I really like that the Honda is 40+ lbs lighter than the Suzuki. I really like that. But in the end, an adv bike really should have all those things (and a quick shifter?) and 507lbs ain’t bad at all. But the kicker is that I just can’t stand the looks of the Honda! I gotta go with the V-Strom all the way!
The Honda headlights are like a scooter headlights. Suzuki looks more agressive. Honda front looks like a lady with make up.
Very well explain. Even though I'm a fan and ex owner of both brands (2017 Africa Twin 1000 and 2015 VStrom 1000) I go with Suzuki. What you can not change is the essence of the bike (engine, chassis, Specs, etc.) the DE is way ahead, the rest is paraphernalia. I'll go with the "TwinStrom"...
Love how all the Honda advantages are “if you’re into that”. These bikes are pretty dang close, with the gives and takes being pretty equivalent. I would love either. And as for standard vs options, without pricing announced, hard to tell if that’s an advantage
Thanks for watching. In my defense, I said that only ONE time, related to phone integration, which I personally can't stand. I ride to get away, and I have no desire to see anything from my phone on my motorcycle screen.
Honda is Honda and the winner of this comparison will be decided by sales. On the other hand, I think that whatever you buy you won't be wrong, tastes are like as... we all have one.
Agreed.... regardless of which one u pick you won't be disappointed. People can argue over which is better but at the end of the day they're both great bikes.
A man with Imperforate Anus may have something to say about that. Or maybe he doesn't have any opinion whatsoever.....
If I had to choose today with no ride reviews and not having the opportunity to sit on them, I go Suzuki. They are both finalists for an upgrade bike for me (along with the updated 2023 Tenere and Tuareg 660). We’ll see where I land, but I love having two more legitimate options in the mix. I also love that both the Honda and Suzuki offer OEM low seats for us shorter folks. 👍🏾
Tuareg 660 is a better bike imo
@@foundationofintegrity comparing bike features to bike features, you are probably right. When you factor in reliability, dealer network, and parts availability, we’ll have to see, but the Suzuki could end up being a better bike to own long term.
Honda learned from Suzuki that you don't need a ton of suspension travel to be successful. Suzuki has learned to add more suspension to be successful. Weight on larger bikes don't stop them off road so don't worry about the difference of a few pounds. Torque wins the day in motor performance of this category. Larger throttle bodies on the Suzuki should let the aftermarket unleash a bit more power as well.
50 pounds difference is not 'just a few'. Also, the power curves are important, but these are not shown, just peak figures. Suzuki really should have changed the name for it, as it is not 'V' anymore.
@@welditmick Agreed, they should have called it the P-Strom, after all it's a parallel twin and it's the colour of pee.
@@welditmick let the shoot outs begin!
I bought one month a go Suzuki v storm 800 and god it is so cool!!! I think that Honda is good as Suzuki, but i just like more outfit of V-storm and motor. The motor give you wery nice power in low rouds and i like it more than hig turning gas.. it just reminds Harley more.
Bouth are wery good bikes, but it vote for Suzuki 😎💪
If Suzuki would have used tubeless tires as these types of motorcycles are used mostly on roads. Cruise control would have also made Suzuki the better bike, easy to do with fly by wire.
I installed MC Cruise on my 2020 V-Strom, works flawlessly. Cruise control has saved me from several speeding ticket as I tend to go faster than posted, set the cruise for 7 mph over and the LEO's may flash their lights but do not stop me.
Previously owned a V-strom650, riding a Super Tenere now. If forced to pick one of these it'd be the V-strom. If Suzuki adds cruise I'd seriously consider buying the V-strom as a second "lighter" bike. 🤔
I Like the Look of the Suzuki more and it might be the more complete package. But Numbers are one, the feel of riding might be still better with the honda. They were always exceptionally light to handle.
I think I'd still choose a Tenere700, but prefer the strom over the TransAlp
T7 is just hard to beat for it's simplicity, yet extremity as a middleweight ADV bike.
The World Raid Is the best
Aprillia Tuareg wins over both IMO except for lack of dealer network. Suzuki should be easier to get serviced everywhere.
I have to agree, but that wasn't the comparison. He's looking at upcoming bikes, not what is available now.
Not difficult to do your own service.
And judging by Suzuki’s epic reliability reputation, it would scare me to get the Aprilia (as it’s clearly a spectacular bike) - it’s the years down the line aspect that Honda and Suzuki stay reliable after the honeymoon period is long gone
I never even consider the exotic bikes because you can’t trust them. Riding in the middle of East Africa is a shitty place to have a breakdown. That’s why I ride a Suzuki Vstrom. Never a moments worry.
I have loved my Vstrom 650, I'm pretty sure that in a choice between the two I would go yellow again.
Never been a huge fan of the beak, but throw some Anakee Wild's on there and change that stove pipe by an aftermarket exhaust, you've got yourself a menacing looking bike. Could even give the Tenere a run for its money.
Really interesting comparison. Definitely pro Suzuki now! 👍🏾
For my money, the Suzuki is the clear winner. Better suspension, longer range, more useable power. No contest.
Just looked it up, and the V also has better suspension travel than my KLR.
The biggest problem is that the Aprilia Tuareg is only $1000 more, has the same power as these, is loaded with electronics and a wet weight of 450lb. But we’ll have to see if the Aprilia can match the reliability we’ve come to expect from the Japanese brands.
@@bigguyonalittleadventure5673 true on all points. I’m leery of Italian reliability - cars, motorcycles, suits, women, militarily 🤣. I the Suzuki looks like it would protect better in the elements with how wide it is infringed of the rider. Time will tell.
@@dw5523 - I ride a 1st-gen WeeStrom and I love that thing. I can see myself on the new 800. Too bad it gained 30 pounds, though.
@@bigguyonalittleadventure5673 seems all the bikes are gaining weight each year - kind of like most of us 🤣
@@dw5523 - weird how that goes, huh. The KLR is a good example. The 3rd gen that “just” came out is 100 pounds heavier than the original.
I like the looks of the Honda better, but I would buy the Suzuki.
Same
I actually have a crf1000 dct and ride off-road with it.
I love Suzuki bikes (I had 2 SV650, a DR650, 2 Vstrom 650).
Between the transalp and the Vstrom 800 I think I'll choose the Vstrom.
But it a little bit heavy and I don't understand why they don't put cruise control.
For now my choice is still the Norden 901 to replace my CRF1000.
50lbs is a heck of a handicap for the Suzuki.
I’m not so sure. My bike is 235kg and I don’t have any issues. If your gonna ride enduro then don’t buy either of these bikes! These bikes are both designed for adventure touring, not climbing mountains on goat trails! 20 extra kg isn’t gonna make a difference on a dirt road!
Great comparison. Suzuki had to do something new and they just did. :)
Now THAT is a great video!!!!
Give us the facts and let us decide. If you ask me - the P-Strom wins. lol Seriously though, the Suzuki gets the nod from me ( all things considered ).
This is my take, neither bike is set-up for serious off road though the Suzuki does appear to have thought about it more. So realistically the level of off road most buyers will be doing is kinda negligible to compare these differences but if you're a big strong guy I'd say the Suzuki might be more capable. On the actual roads and highway I'd prefer to be on the Honda, the power to weight ratio is quite good and it looks sleek in that dark grey!
My picture is just one of my Honda's. However, your wrong about "on road".. With more torque, counter balanced engine, 50lbs more, better (adjustable) suspension, larger fuel capacity and better stock wind screen, the PStrom will be better on road. The downfall of the Honda will be the suspension. They should have come out of the box with a suspension that would solidify its superiority over the T7 and PStrom. Right now, it's just, which brand do you like better.
@@jonwoodworker You got my thumbs up just for your suspension points. Quality Suspension seems to be a thing that's "ok" to skimp on, on modern Japanese bikes....🙄
PS...I ride a 2017 AT.......GIVE ME OPTIONS HONDA!!!!
@@jonwoodworker i love how people have made up their minds before anyone even rides the bikes. RUclips comments at their finest.
Absolutely amazing for suzuki wins.would definitely chose suzuki
You know whats funny? It doesn't matter which is better. If dealers can't keep them stocked, it'll go to whomever has inventory, not spec sheets.
I prefer the Suzuki. Thanks for your presentation.
I made the same compare in 2008 and guess what, I choosed the VStrom against the Transalp. At the time, I wonder how could someone buy the Honda instead of the Suzuki
Totally would go for Suzuki. Specially because its looks much more premium than the transalp. I think That its a shame That Honda did the transalp like and upgrade of the CB 500x
yep...they should have done a full on XC version of the CB 500 X with more power, better suspension and bigger rims...
Gotta say my current Suzuki DL1000 (`14) is a great bike for me. A favorite after 40 years of riding. If they've improved on that, it'll be a real good mount.
I’ll take the Suzuki!!! 😂
I wish they still use traditional needle clocks with old style LCD.
Love the way you brush aside the phone connectivity
I think it's dumb. If you like it, that's fine. I like to get away when I ride. Last thing I want is distraction of text alerts while I'm ripping through technical Mountain passes.
Test rode both bikes back to back, within 30 minutes of each other. I thought the Suzuki gives the more superior ride. Smoother engine, comfier seat and riding position and the quickshifter works extremely well. The transalp goes well enough but felt poorer quality and really vibey.
I bought the Suzuki.
Suzuki’s twin cam and dual axis counterbalanced, bolt on subframe, adjustable windshield, heavier duty adjustable suspension, quikshift, and the Suzuki is just physically larger than the Honda, etc, all add weight (just think of all the extra bolts, frame tabs, etc), which is why the Honda is lighter.
Definitely! Thanks!
@@RidgeRoamer I really wanted the suzuki but the weight is a very big factor off road. I have a 2014 v-strom 1000 and I cannot pick it up where I could with my v-strom 650. The Honda is lighter than the v-strom 650. I may have to get one of those strap jack contraptions to assist in picking up a bike because I ride alone and into some muddy no where trails.
Suzuki might be better if you do more off-road, but still... the weight hurts and you can't expect a better response at lower revs just because it has a bit more torque. Gear ratios might make all the diference.
I think Honda made the Transalp for people that do more road and just a small amount of off-road. Lower suspension and weight and more power. Also, usefull phone connectivity for the daily home/work rides.
Maybe they'll do a rally version later for more off-road ability, and to face the Tenere.
plus lack of suspension adjustability on the H is just about a deal killer
@@atomictim6422 I think it comes with preload adjustment. Rear and front. 🙄
The Honda looks way better but the Suzuki looks like it's a better off roader. Will have to ride both before I buy. Likely buying one of them.
I’m an Africa Twin owner so Honda is my first choice but what I don’t like on the Transalp is the low exhaust position, nothing over the display to fix the Garmin, not adjustable fork! And headlights! This boring 500X headlights design! So a lot to improve with after sales products…
If we land with the Honda being a cheaper bike that's better on-road and the Suzuki more expensive and better off-road that seems about right. If the Suzuki ends up cheaper then they're onto a big winner.
I’ll just wait for an updated Transalp with better suspension in a year or two after everyones done complaining that it’s not good enough. Much like what Yamaha did with the Tenere 700 and the new World Raid. Thing about this Transalp is it’s weight advantage over the Suzuki. I can all but guarantee the new Suzuki will bottom out far easier than the new Transalp, given it’s huge weight difference. The added suspension travel advantage the Suzuki has is not nearly big enough to mitigate that extra heft. That Suzuki is similar to weight of the Africa Twin 😮 We’ll see what the test rides show though, as specs don’t always paint an accurate picture.
I’d be interested to see what Rally-Raid comes up with for the new Transalp. It’s a shame they gave it the same look as the CB500X. Would have liked a little more of the AT aggressive look and twin lights.
Sad for both the rim wheel not tubeless...
Very good analysis, well-documented and I appreciate the courage of own opinion. However, there are two very important points missing: riding behaviour and cost of ownership. Plus, resale value.
As to the first part, obviously, there's no way to tell which bike rides better, since they are both still prototypes. No legacy to account for, no test rides released etc.
As to the second part however, you can depend to some extend on previous marketing policies. Honda is typically more expensive in spare parts, services, etc but you can find everything in really short notice. Also, the after market segment for Honda is inexhaustible. Suzuki on the other hand, needs more maintenance. Some parts are hard to find, and there is very little aftermarket offering.
Finally, resale price? Honda will always win this one, no matter what.
The V-strom is only 'better' if you're playing a game of top-trumps, and even then there are only a few mm difference in most cases... Like most things, the real choice is likely to come down to price and availability.
My son and I want to follow the original path of the transcontinental RR through Utah. I’m thinking V-Strom. But at speeds approaching a crawl, I think either would more than capable.
The winner is,
the motorcycle that has cruse control.
Looks like Aprilia wins ok KTM or BMW.
Should be able to pick up an aftermarket option fairly quickly if they don't offer it as an option.
Yeah, my Triumph Tiger 900 weighs about the same as the Transalp, but comes with all the extras like cruise control, heated grips, heated seats, handguards, skid plate, and more power. But cost on the Tiger is also significantly more. Hard to say if that's a fair comparison, and same goes for the Aprillia, KTM, and BMW.
Suzuki hands down.👍🏻👍🏻👌
For motorcycles meant to go off-road, those exhausts are surprisingly low.
What?! Again no cruise control?! I just don't get it. They both promise the ability to really crack off the miles. And most of us have to get to the good roads FIRST before we can maximize the fun factor. CC is a must on ANY adventure or touring-oriented bike. They do look great, though! Can't wait to see a comparison in this category.
I am a Honda fan, but Suzuki knocked it out of the park... clear winner .. we will wait for the rumble on and off road with the Yamaha Tenere 700...
The RM400 doesn't have anything to do with V-Strom's styling. The latter definitely alludes to the legendary DR BIG.
I would take Africa twin 1100 at 6kg heavier than Suzuki 230kg any day
I'm stating the obvious, but all the data is irrelevant until these can be ridden. I don't ride motorcycles due to some abstract metric of advantage, and I suspect many others are the same. The ONLY comparison worth making at this point is looks (since these are so similar in spec) and the Honda (esp. in Ross White) clearly wins in that category, at least for me.
Nice! But my long ago paid-for, properly maintained, fully loaded 2013 Adventure model with only 20,000 miles on the clock is looking better and better. At this time I wouldn't trade that fantastic old 90 degree V-twin for any parallel engine. It's the finest, most dependable 70+ horsepower in motorcycle-dom.
It'd seems both are very good bikes. Looking forward to test riding both next year. It may just come down to whichever dealership is best.
Good video, thanks.
Strom certainly looks better, but TransAlp is much lighter.
Aprilia Tuareg 660 seems to be the overall best bike in this segment imo
Yeah if yo don't care about lack of world wide dealer network and reliability issues.
@@buzzinadventures4217 Good point with the dealer network, but as far as I can tell there are no known reliability issues with the Tuareg 660, except the bolt in gear lever breaking occassionally when the bike falls.
You didn’t mention the Honda has an 18 inch rear wheel while the Suzuki retains the 17 inch. That will be a deciding factor for many buyers who want more off road capability and tire choices.
After thinking a bit more about the two. I would go with Suzuki because before I bought my KTM I was on a list for the CB500x 2022 model and would still be waiting. Honda has been a disappointment to me.
Had a test ride on both yesterday, Transalp was the surprising winner. Liked the engine and suspension better. Looks is better on vstrom
After being badly treated by Honda (corrosion issues on a well maintained 2 year old Africa twin bike that they will not fix) I am going to buy a 23 Suzuki subject to a test ride and quality control check ..
Love my Transalp, the engine is something special. The local Suzuki dealer didn’t have any in stock for me to compare.
V-Strom is over the "pig limit" of 500lbs...which means it's basically a pavement bike. The Transalp isn't much better at 460... but it IS better.
Over 500lbs makes the Strom a heavyweight ADV bike not a middleweight... it weighs more than my 1200cc Multistrada (which has double the hp) and about the same as an R1200GS (~125hp).
Thats what i was thinking. Im already leaning towards ktm or tenere over africa twin due to the weight.
The one with the biggest fuel tank and best range gets my money.
Nothing short of being a Great Review, definitely on the market for one
There's no excuse to leave out cruise with electronic throttle, it's not a huge cost saving.
They cannot put all the greatest features on a cheaper bike, since then no one will buy the flagship 1050 DE. That's the only excuse.
Vstrom styling is obviously DR BIG 750/800 inspired, where did you come up with the pe250 comparison?
You forgot about an important parameter: the difference in the diameter of the rear wheels: Transalp - 18 inches, V-Strom - 17. Unfortunately, both tubular rims, which are slightly different from the current standards, see Guzzi, BMW, Aprilia ...
Guzzi learnt from their mistake of initially releasing the V85TT with tube type rims. They have now seen the light. I would buy neither of this pair.
Great work Suzuki, in the last 20 years, you've managed to drop the weight of the original Vstrom by a massive 6kgs. That is an incredible achievement. You also managed to significantly increase the price, whilst dropping horsepower from 98hp - 84hp and torque from 75ft/lbs - 57ft/lbs. Clap, clap Suzuki, Clap, clap :P
It’s not the same bike!! You can still buy the 106Hp version of the Vstrom. Now you have three different engine options. Suzuki kicks ass and finally gives us a offroad worthy option on the two larger engine variants.
@@jaywhoisit4863 I know it isn't the same bike. I'm just pointing out how stagnant bike performance is - to the point where it is going backwards. I'm sure if this is cheap enough, it will be a good bike. And for those who can't afford the 1000, there is this 800. And it does look to have everything you need to tour and do some real off-road, especially if you are young and strong. It also will force the price down on the 650XT, which has been overpriced for years. Already $500 has been chopped from them here in NZ. I think it will be a better tourer than the T7 and I like the looks over the Transalp. I'll be ok. The rear subframe looks substantial AND I noticed it has downtubes to mount a proper bashplate on, which the Honda doesn't. I'm fascinated to see the price here, AND how many they actually sell.
@@actstuntcam I ride the 100hp version dl1000. It’s honestly too powerful for the riding I do. I chose it over the 650 because it has far superior suspension and brakes with gyro lean abs. The power never came into my considerations because I live in Kenya and we just don’t have anywhere I could use 100HP. I think the 800 with its 21 inch wheel and the great suspension will really kick butt on the crappy roads and trails I’m accustomed to. I read that this new engine comes into its torque curve 90% at 3000rpm and stays flat all the way upto redline. That’s kinda hard to believe but if it’s true then this engine will be an engineering marvel and a dream to rip on! Let’s wait and see.
@@jaywhoisit4863 Yeah sounds great for the kind of riding you do. The 1000 is a great road bike. I rode mine (A 2003 VStrom1000) off-road, gravel, sand, dirt and the 100hp seemed fine. It was great for harassing sportbikes too. I think the later models weren't as good off-road. They are basically sportbikes with ADV styling.
On paper the Suzuki is the clear winner. But we'll have to see how they drive in order to have the real picture. Suspension travel and weight means almost nothing, compared to the quality and weight distribution.
But I'm really hoping the suzuki turns to be a decent 50/50 bike on/offroad. The pricing probably will be one of the best on the market.
The Transalp is definitely the better looking one imo
As long as I've ridden none of those, I rest my case, but the Honda wins by a nose so far because of the weight issue.
I'm going to wait for actual test drive reviews (including my own) to arrive at any conclusion.
How many kilometers you've been riding these bikes?
That Suzuki in the Grey Yellow paint scheme looks absolutely out of this world.😮 Beautiful, striking. Honda Transalp like like a mini Africa Twin. I get it, looks are subjective. But seriously, Suzuki have their design job perfected. Bike looks classy, sexy, futuristic. Easy win.
sure both good bikes but I would buy the Tenere700 in this class.
I do
Honda guy here,but I think the Suzuki is a better choice between the two I would've seriously considered it if it had cruise control and air conditioning, sorry, meant to say tubeless rims. Thinking about sourcing them from after market.
2:20 shows V-strom w/ centre stand, suggesting that's a standard fitment. Other images in this video do not. You should have mentioned that. My guess is a). neither bike has a main stand and b). a dealer fitted one would be a couple hundred $/£/E. And also add a few lbs and kg. A bike like this really should come with a centre stand. Note too that half your audience will be in metric countries so you need to convert weights and measures and stick 'em in parentheses, really. I personally think both bikes are too heavy for what they are. The V-strom (which incidentally is stupidly named now that it's not a V) at 230kg is particularly lard-assed - especially in comparison to the 650cc original of 189kg.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your input. I appreciate it as I strive to continuously make better content. I am sorry I didn't address the accessories in detail. Center stand is available as a factory option for both motorcycles. There were multiple pictures of each bike in stock form, and accessorized with bags, center stand, guards, etc.
I think we now have say the V is for Vertical twin, but I get what you are saying...
I absolutely love all my suzuki bikes. My only gripe is it's no longer a *V*Strom without that *V*twin engine. They should have kept that imo...
Team Suzuki ❤
So, since both bikes are often sold off the same showroom floor, which one generates the better profit for the dealership?
I have no idea, and as a consumer, I couldn't care less.
waiting for tenere 9 with 19"17" and 120 hp
Mee too
I'd like to know if either use tubeless tyres - or not? And why no cruise control? all adventure bikes have them it days, at least as an option, but usually as standard. Any new bike I buy will offer both these things without me having to pay for after market fixes. So it's a NO to both atm
That's part of the reason I own a Tiger 900...
So you tried both bikes then? I personally think the T700 is superior since you can buy it right now. Deciding what bike to buy on spec sheets is not really clever.