Suzuki V-Strom 800DE vs (my) Honda Transalp 750 - Objective Comparison [QuickTest#29]
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- I finally got to ride the Transalp's immediate new-for-2023 competitor, the V-Strom 800DE. The Suzuki's engine has more low-down torque, making it more fun to ride, but the heat given off by the engine means it's a non-starter for me here in Portugal...
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:34 Riding position & comfort
03:01 Wind protection
03:30 Engine
04:35 Oh dear!
05:30 Standard equipment
07:15 Gears & brakes
08:00 Fit & finish
08:58 Noise
09:21 Off road
10:18 Taking a passenger
11:00 Looks
11:21 Verdict
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Really enjoyed this review, as you hit all the spots. Thanks man ! And, have a nice holidays.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it👍😊
I tried both, for most people who ride 90% lets say on tarmac roads then the transalp is better, just change the gearing on the transalp and you'll sort out that power delivery,
now if Suzuki bring out a more road focused version of the 800 in the Autumn which is strongly rumoured now with cast 17-19 wheels and tubeless tyres and maybe even have cruise as an option then it will sell like hotcakes in my opinion.
Agreed. Thanks for your feedback👍😊
Objective and interesting observations as usual, RM. It all boils down to different strokes for different folks & we're lucky to have such great choices.
Thanks👍😊
One major thing You did not mention is accessability to the airfilter. Suzuki wins with its easy access under the seat. This is s major thing if You plan long distant travels on dusty roads & need to access Your airfilter on the fly. Another irritation having the airfilter under the tank & loads of plastic…Several minor issues piling up against the TA. ‘Small’ issues becomes major issues with time.
Valid point, but if I included every bit of information, it would be a 30-minute video, not a quick test :)
Thanks very much for pointing that out. Folks seem to avoid any commentary on access for ultra basic maintenance like the plague!! This is dealbreaker for me ... 👍👍
Great review in the frank, honest and accurate RM style. Enjoy your summer break.
Thank you😊
Thanks for the comparison… very useful to know, in general terms, how they compare. Chronicles of Solid hinted that there will be a more road focussed V-Strom800 emerging soon, which would be closer to my requirements.
Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, apparently there’s a few other versions coming🙏
Great comparison! Congratulations! I tried both and I chose the Suzuki in yellow, I found it more fun to ride. It's true that the first few days I noticed a lot of heat from the engine although it reduced a lot with time and kilometers. In terms of design I do notice that the Suzuki either likes or dislikes, it is a somewhat special design. I love it. The Honda seems a safer bet in that term. Anyway, the extra equipment with plastic materials is a personal matter. In my case I like it, maybe I'm weird.
Thanks for your feedback. Enjoy your bike😊👍
Really a helpful review. Thanks!
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for your comment :)
I enjoy everything about your videos. Neither of these bikes are for me, but I have faith you will tire of the Transalp soon enough, and even if not, I’ll watch you review whatever you can get your hands on. Have a happy holiday!
Thanks😊
Love your crystal ball! (having watched the Tranny being replaced by a Trumpy). Less than a year, that's QUICK (but makes for great content).
Thanks RM, for an informative, balanced and fair review. Must be hell to have to ride these bikes in sunny Portugal, but someone's got to do it 😅 Transalp for me on weight and price, plus looks, but I was surprised how much higher it is than my old Transalp.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. Yes, the Transalp is quite a tall bike to get on & off. Ride safe😊
good review, thanks for putting it together.
Thanks for watching🙂👍
Amazing comparison, little details count and you talked about some of them. Suspension on Suzuki is adjustable to reduce the fork dive
Glad you enjoyed it :)
The sat in and sat on is exactly the issue im having with two other bikes. The new bike I have I’m sat on it and I could think what the issue was, but now hearing you describe that, I now get why I’m not into my new bike. I keep riding the older one as in sat in it.
Thanks for that.
I like sitting in my Transalp, but I feel just as much at home sitting on my Speed Twin. All depends on the bike and how you’re feeling on the day, I guess😊
Interesting that you didn't mention that the suspension is fully adjustable on the V-strom both pre-load and compression damping. Good review overall. As you say the Transalp suits your riding better and you were very clear about that. I am test riding both having ridden a 650 V-Strom for a while. Particularly interested in the reach as you felt the TA was a bit less cantered forward. Which would suit me. Enjoy your break.
Thanks. Hard to cram everything into a 10-minute QuickTest :)
Great video. I just bought the vstrom, it was love at first sight. I felt the heat, was something i will have to live with. With some light modifications it will suit like a glove.
Congratulations. Great bike, I have similar heat issues with my Triumph, but it doesn’t stop me enjoying the bike😊
@@RocketMan_Moto yeah, the more I use it, the more I like it. Heat is a problem? Well it's summer, almost 40°c sometimes, I bet I will not notice it in autumn.
Ik like both the objectivity and subjectivity of your reviews. Independence is a rare thing on YT. Keep it up. 👍
So where do the Transalp and 800DE on your Rocketscore fit in?
Thanks😊 I need to revive the RocketScore👍
@@RocketMan_MotoYeah, people love lists 😉 Perhaps it could be a help maintaining the list to give tenths of points. For two reasons:
- the longer the lists gets, the more you want to have room to differentiate.
- the difference between one point can feel like a huge gap. Having the ability to give a 7.5 or even a 7.7 is a way to say for instance "well, this bike handles just a bit less than the bike having an 8".
Expected result for the type of riding the rocket does. In all truth, all bikes can be use for touring or basic trails when equipped correctly. For most people any bike would do. A lot people focus on touring but never really tour or just carry cases full of air, nothing in them. Others prefer off road capability but bike stays in the garage and in front of starbucks most of the time. Both of these bikes would provide 99.9% of riders all they need and more with very little difference in how they perform. In the end it is just personal bias or preference.
Yes👍😊
@@RocketMan_Motoi ended up buying the suzuki in champion yellow. I love the thing. Super comfortable and get 250 miles per fuel tank consistently. My highest has been 62 mpg tank but i am averaging 56mpg overall.
Its very well equipped: Hand guards, quick shifter, usb charger, skid plate, radiator guard, remote rear suspension adjuster and more fuel capacity. All of these things may weight 8-9kg. So, in reality the weight difference with the transalp is significantly less than what the spec sheet tells you.
Great review/comparison...heading to Lagos for the month of April...unfortunatley will be renting a car, but we are looking forward to some exploring! Currently riding an NC750X, I've likely had 30 bikes in my years and I really do enjoy the NC's DCT and Frunk. However, as always have an itch for something new, the Transalp is definitely on the list. Thanks for pointing out the heat from the engine on the Suzuki, I remember by ST1300 having some heat and it was always an issue in summertime riding in Canada.
Thanks for your comment. This Suzuki was one of the worst 'heat offenders' I've ridden. Definitely wouldn't recommend it for the Algarve summers.
You are spot on love your reviews im very pleased with my transalp choice to 👍 i hope you get the chance to watch the MCN group test with the vstrom transalp & yam T700 all on same the tyres 🥳
Thanks. Yes, I saw the MCN review. Very positive for the Transalp👍😊
Thank you for this honest and enlighting review. Just a question: I tested the V-Strom 800DE and I loved it so much that I'm planning to buy it. Still I found the buffeting and the wind noise nearly unbearable at higher speed even with the taller windshield. I'm 187 cm. Did you have the same problem during your test ride?
I’m the same height, but didn’t get to try the tall screen, unfortunately. It’s a bit of a dark art, though, and what works for one rider won’t necessarily work for another. Hope you enjoy your DE, that engine is a peach😊
I was about to order a Transalp some months ago, but in the end, I bought a BMW 750GS. It's my first bike, and I don't regret the decision. Since then, I have already had the chance to sit on a Transalp and, somehow, to my inexperienced butt, the BMW feels 'more bike' and more refined. And for the same price as a Transalp, I got a 750GS with cruise control and electronic suspension, among other things that are not even available at extra cost on the Honda.
RocketMan, I've a holiday house in the Douro Valley, the perfect region for a test ride with the 2 bikes. If you are considering a trip north, give me a shout.
Thanks for the invitation, enjoy your GS :)
Another enjoyable and pragmatic review RM..
btw..what’s happened to that comparison table you used to do? Where is the TA in the ratings…or did I miss that video? Have a great holiday..are you off to Brazil again? Atb, Alan.
Thanks, Alan. I need to rehash my Rocketscore. It had too many bikes on it…
Isn’t it a great time to be a motorcyclist (if you like twins and triples)…there’s something out there for everyone’s taste…budget might be an issue on the bigger bikes but lots to enjoy before the silence of electric takes hold! Atb, Alan
I guess for the REALLY serious adventure rider that sub frame would make a difference, the heat though. Great test.Have a great rest of the summer!
Thanks, Steve. Yes, that engine heat was very disappointing
I think that whole “bolt on subframe” promotion is laughable. Surely that only comes into play for proper motor cross dirt bikes where you might really need it.
Not something that bothers me. If I have an accident that writes the bike off, I'll just be glad I'm still alive :)
Excellent comparison
Thanks👍😊
In depth assessment. Thanks for providing your personal preference and substantiating it.
I find that the RE version of the V-Strom 800 addresses most of the DE/Transalps deficiencies.
I have similar riding requirements to you RM, but a preference for a more road feeling bike, hence the RE.
The Transalp (in white) is a looker and harks back to the XL600V! Cheers from Downunder.
Thanks, Ben. I do like the way the Transalp looks (except for its 'face'). I enjoyed my year with it, but it's gone now :) The RE/DE have a lovely torquey engine. Enjoy!
Good comparison video
Thanks 👍
Great back to back review there RM , even though only short but you picked up all the points required, now I’m in the market for a mid adv bike purely for road use (95%) I’ve had the transalp and the bmw f850gs out for longish test rides , I felt much more at home on the Honda for sure over the BMW , so I’ll get a spin on the v strom and make my mind up but I’m guessing it.ll be the Honda ,
Any way thanks for sharing,
Watching from Dublin 🫡
Thanks, Tony. You might also want to see MCN’s video comparison tonight. They were much more critical of the Suzuki than I was.
If you'll only use it on road, you should also look at the Triumph Trident 660
I had a Trident 660 a couple of years ago. Good bike, but not enough torque for me. Maybe you meant the Tiger Sport 660? Very nice, but needs a bigger engine :)
Thanks for another informative video, in your 'inimitable style'. I was surprised you weren't more struck by the weight difference when riding the V-Strom, as it felt significant to me when I sat on the Suzuki, just after test riding the Transalp and the Tuareg. The Suzuki felt MUCH heavier to just raise from the sidestand, so I didn't even test ride it. Perhaps it leans over further on the stand, but it definitely felt too heavy to me. I also thought the seat heights were similar, although you described the Suzuki's seat as lower.
The low-rev torque of the Suzuki sounds great, compared to the slightly limp down-low feel of the Honda, but then a 'softer' delivery down low can be good in loose traction situations. The Suzuki also wins on the gauges, given those disappointing shortfalls on the Honda - ambient temperature and fuel range - and the LH handlebar switch looks simpler and more rational than the 'upside down' arrangement on the Honda. But nonetheless I think overall the Honda will suit me better, in spite of those details. I will just have to get used to the blinker switch placement, although it makes no sense that it is different to my other bikes. But the weight, and the heat of the Suzuki took it out of the equation for me.
Light weight is very important to me, particularly off the bitumen, and where the thing might fall over, and I will be lightening my Transalp to this end (when I finally get it...) and carrying out some suspension improvements as I become more familiar with it. (My current dual-purpose 750 Elefant is lighter than the Transalp, moreso after some lightening). As mentioned, the Suzuki wins out in having adjustable suspension, and a few other 'trinkets' from standard, but it carries an almost 20% price premium in Australia over the Transalp.
The cheaper starting price of the Honda allows us to make some upgrades, and choose alternative suppliers of items like the bashplate. Something that doesn't look like you're putting the Honda engine into the oven for a casserole...
Thanks for your feedback😊 When I said I couldn’t really feel the extra 20kg, it was more a reflection of the engine’s extra grunt. I did say the weight could be felt when manoeuvring.
Las Vegas is tuned in!!! The heat issue with the Vstrom is a complete deal killer for me. I think that Yamaha will come out with a Tenere 900 sometime soon~ THAT should be incredible.
Me too. A Tenere 900 would definitely be on my radar😀
Did you put enduro pegs on alp ? love my alp, thanks for videos you make, waiting triumph 400x scrambler videos, enjoy the ride.
No, I haven't changed the pegs
love the "grip angle" call back lol
You know you want it :)
Exactly🤦♂️
@@PovilasPanavas Try telling them that though, not interested.
@@RocketMan_Moto 🤣
another great review! I just bought the 2023 ktm duke 790,but as its going i might try to get myself into debt to get one of these too,I like the suzuki slightly more.
Thanks. Go on, do it. You only live once😀
Bloomberg reporting rumours of resignations at Suzuki corporate board; something about failure to implement "Grip Angle".
Should be standard across the industry😂
Slightly off topic but, what ever happened your move to France? Another enjoyable video, thanks 🙂
We changed our minds when we began looking at the weather forecasts last autumn 🥶 🌧️
Nice video, if you don't ride off_road, you can take off the engine guard (greater ventilation) ; I was told the heat issue decreased after 3000km... (only 1000km for me)
Thanks for your feedback😊👍
Very interesting review. Leg heat seams to be a real problem for some designs, making you wonder how they get it done during that phase. One thing I love about my NC750 is that I get almost zero heat from the engine. In fact the only time I feel it is when I duck my head low behind the short windscreen to reduce drag (and switch up back muscles) and I feel it filtering up from beneath. The heat reports from the otherwise droolworthy Tuareg were similarly grim, if not worse. That bike may be aimed at a more tolerant, hardcore dual-sport/adv rider, but the vstrom seems much more streety so the heat's a surprise.
Yes, the NC750 is an exceptionally easy bike to live with. One that highlights the flaws in other bikes. I just wish it had more power😊
@@RocketMan_Moto I'm such a geezer I don't even put it in sport! Good think I like it because it's about all that was available to me. At least the low-end torque is good so it beats cars at the only place I'm really concerned to need to do that: quick acceleration from stop. I don't fit it too well at 6'3", but it's tolerable for me somehow. I think that TA would fit me better, physically, but I'd really miss the mileage and the frunk and the DCT. I think Honda ruined me there. If I moved up, I'd have to get the AT DCT. I looked at my cycling log from my Portugal trip a few months ago and see I did pass like a mile from Angel Honda in Portimao. Wish I'd know it was there to stop by and check out the TA.
Great comment!i myself had the same feelings..cheers!
Good to hear. Thanks for your feedback👍😊
I don't think id😂be unhappy with either.
Bith manufacturers have produced excellent bikes. The important thing is to ride and enjoy them.
Good review.
Safe, happy travels 👍
Thanks😊👍
great comparison! its the same feeling i got when i tried both bikes..at the end i chosed the honda first for the weight.15 kilos is a difference for me that i'm 75kg at 1,78cm at height, and for fuel consuption the honda gets 22-24 km per liter while suzuki stays at 18-19.and since for works motives i need to travel on the highway i found the honda a better bike.
Thanks for your feedback. Enjoy your bike👍😊
Engine heat could be a problem in Australia as well, shame because I'd been leaning toward Suzi. Still waiting for someone to spend 30 seconds showcasing access to airbox on Transalp vs VStrom though ... 😉
Yes, the heat is a deal-breaker for me🙁
I found the 800 a bit top heavy and foot pegs right where I need my legs when stoped.
Enjoy your vacation.
Thanks, Tom. I didn’t really find either of those things a problem. Maybe it depends on rider size??😊
Coming from an inline 4, I certainly find the parallel twin agricultural, at least on my 850gs. I guess they want people to move up to the litre engines so they can get cruise control. Not big on technology but having had cruise control, am not willing to give up on any future bike. Good comparison; I would lean towards the Suzuki as I like the gravel/fire roads here in Canada, but the Honda does look better in my opinion.
Thanks for your feedback, David😊
Have you ever compared all the levers, the rear wheel swing arm, the fully adjustable chassis front and rear, the additional frame, the air filter access, tank capacity etc...
of the V Strom with the Transalp?
In almost every category, the Suzuki is better, more qualitative and more sophisticated than the Transalp.
The only thing where the Transalp is better is the waste heat on hot days and more horsepower at higher revs.
If the Transalp were 1500 euros cheaper, it would be a fair offer.
The prices for accessories that Honda calls for are already bordering on mockery of the customer.
If you compare price, performance, processing quality and equipment, there is only one winner in this midsize adventure class.
That's why I haven't bought any of the Honda accessories (except the quick shifter). I prefer Honda's blank-canvas approach, so I can fit the aftermarket accessories I want :)
Great video style for comparison, as I am a similar rider (mainly touring). I chose the Honda (US version).
Glad you found it useful😊
Have you tried the Guzzi V85TT? That engine is also very grunty and I am curious how you would find the whole bike vs Transalp (not yet available in my region to compare).
Not available here either, unfortunately. No MG dealers🙁
V-Strom without being "V" anymore...just plain Strom.
Ok, a good bike overall but intented to be a more gravel-use I' d say.
Another nice review RM!👍
Thanks 👍😊
One thing that is often missed in these comparisons (correct me if I am wrong) is the bracket that holds the muffler is welded to sub-frame on the 800DE and bolted to the sub-frame on the TA750 (easy to replace). I personally think this is more important than the welded sub-frame, as it is more likely to bent that bracket than bending the entire sub-frame (bike might be total loss at that point).
Good point :)
Total loss, you must be joking right?
So what kind of accident one has to be in that only damages the sub frame and nothing else? Perhaps, if you are 200 killos + a 100 killos pillion and you do jumps. A fall or crash that would bent the sub frame is likely to cause a substantial damage to other parts of the bike. That was my point.
They seem so closely matched, thanks for the balanced comparison. Hypothetical question RM : Prior to transalp purchase, you've been given the 2 bikes to ride, somehow disguised so you don't know which is which. Would the stronger/torque (is torqueir a word🤔) engine of the suzuki, sway you to choosing it over the Honda.. All other pros and cons considered of course
Yes, it would… as long as the disguise somehow also sealed the heat from the Suzuki’s engine in😉
@@RocketMan_Moto haha yes good point 😊
Very honest and balanced comparison as always. They are both too tall for me, but leaving that to one side, I (still) think the Honda would be my pick. I think for guys your height the Honda would be a better all round package for most people. I'm not a 'fan' of those 'stepped' 'his and hers' seats, I prefer to sit where I want, not where the seat says I should. Not sure why or when Honda decided to swop the horn / indicator set up, it never used to be that way 'back in the day' which is kind of odd as everyone was copying the Honda set up back then. Have to say the switch gear on that Suzuki looks cheap and nasty compared to my Honda 500 (1985) as did my Yamaha's. Enjoy your holiday!
Thanks, Paul👍😊
Thanks for the review. Could you please tell me which one you'd pick out of the Transalp and the F750GS if you were going to do ZERO off-roading and be using it mostly on country roads which are not super smooth and 1st class with the occasional interstate highway road trip. Perhaps you can include your 2nd fave choice as a bonus. This is important for me becuase I'm having a super hard time deciding. Thanks a bunch.
Mmm, nice dilemma to have. The Transalp is excellent on road, but the BMW is more premium… As I have a good Honda dealer, I’d probably stick with them, but the new GSs are tempting😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Yes, even if I decide on the Transalp, the reason why I should get the F750 is becuase it's my cousins who decided to quit biking and he's giving his away at 500miles with 3 original bmw cases and lots of other accessories at a price lower than the list price. It's a triple black. So really tempting as you say. Another choice could be a Tracer 900 but that's a little bit agressive for the farm roads and I could get myself into trouble with that even though I can control my throttle hand.
The Tracer 9 has a fabulous engine but finish is below average and the screen is very noisy
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks a lot
I was seriously considering both these bikes, but, like you, engine heat is a definite issue here. Fuel tank range would definitely be of interest to me if you have any observations in that regard.I currently have a Triumph Street Scrambler 900, which I like, but the fuel tank range and the lack of pillion accommodation are making me look for an alternative. I'm about the same height as you, so I like your comments about how you feel on the bike, as that will probably translate to me too. Have a good break.
Thanks for your comment, glad you found the video helpful. Re. range, there’s little in it: the Honda has a smaller tank, but is more economical by about 0.4 l/100km. I haven’t done the maths, but I’m guessing that makes them about equal😊
I have the same Transalp as Mr RM, and my average is 4.2 on the dash, which feels realistic. Reserve comes on at about 300 km, when you have at least another 3,5L in the tank, enough for another ~70 km (or even 100 if in a pinch). I usually fill up after about 320-330 (my longest was ~350, and I could fill ~15L into the tank at that point), which seems comfortable, and I find it very reasonable. Pillion ride is very good, and not only for petit ladies (which is fine of course): I took my friend for a short gravel-road ride up the hill, and it was better than I (!) expected (I'm 181/95 while he is about 185/85). Hope it helps :)
Thanks for that, Peter👍
2500 km on new Transalp so far
20% city
50% backroads
30% highway
Riding alone and highway 30l luggage
Fuel stops between 360 and 385km
A fuel stops documented in app „sprit baromter“
Result:
3.72 l / 100km
Excellent.
Many thanks!
Fair comparison that doesn't seem to bring me closer to choosing the right one for me 😂
Lol, sorry I couldn't be more categorical, but this really is a case of having to try the two bikes for yourself :)
Good review, yes you made the right choice with honda .when will the perfect bike appear and who do you think will produce it ? Sorry to hear its only 28 degrees life must be hard,anyway must go off rain coat shopping
Haha, sorry Tony ☀️😎
No probs,we ain't happy if we're not complaining about the weather ☁️ lol
True👍
Hi RM. Bit off-topic (well, entirely to be fair), but having just come back from a couple of weeks in Sardinia & Corsica, and the 40º temps they’ve been experiencing, it would be great to hear your view sometime on what you think a reasonable compromise appears to be (between keeping safe and moderately cool) around the Southern Med at the moment. I was pretty shocked to be honest at just how many people were happy to ride fast roads in little more than shorts / t-shirt. I didn’t get a chance to hire a bike while I was there, but had taken gloves, a kevlar lined sweatshirt and (regular Levi) jeans, on the basis that this provided some sort of minimum viable protection. Dafydd
Very good question. It is about 35 here from about 10:30am to 7pm, more if you travel inland only a few km, which is way too hot for any riding gear I know of. As you say, most riders - scooters and big bikes - tend to wear t-shirts and shorts, which I confess I do too on very short rides (1-5km). I know the consequences would be dire if I did come off, but it’s that or take the car, and with all the tourists taking up the roads and parking spaces from mid June to mid September, the car is not an option I enjoy. So, basically, I risk serious injury on very short journeys😬 I haven’t been on a proper ride for weeks; that will have to wait for cooler temperatures next month.
bottom line is this: you cannot go wrong with either! Both are very very good bike to do just about anything.
Just about sums it up👍😊
Engine heat - oh no! Not here in the tropics.
You managed to produce the best short comparison in between them both!
Thanks. Glad you found it useful. Pity about the heat🙁
Great review. The excessive heat on the Vstrom is a deal killer for me. I love almost everything about the Transalp except the matte black finish in the U.S. Come on Honda, only one color?
We feel sorry for you: black only and 10hp less🤷♂️🙁
Yay…I am 99% road biased also. I live in Houston…many over 100 degree days.
Avoid the Suzuki, then. It’s one of the worst bikes I’ve ever tried for engine heat🥵
Old vstrom 650 had no heat problem l can remember, so they have now made it as bad as my tiger 800xc.
I will never buy a tube bike again so thats a no for me, but lm still considering a older vstrom.
Great comparesing sir🇳🇴☕
Thanks, Toby. Yes, the heat thing is a deal-breaker for me🙁
My mk2 & mk3 V-Stroms had no heat problem
I suppose that we should congratulate both Honda and Suzuki for going head-to-head in such a fashion that I would want to buy both. You can’t go wrong with either, but you’ll always be thinking about the other!
Thanks for your feedback👍😊
I was interested in both bikes having had a DL650 and went for the Transalp partly because I too prefer a clean canvas. The heat from the engine would be a deal breaker for me too, had this problem on my Tiger 800XC and sold it partly for that reason. The fact that the Suzuki was more off road put me off as I am not interested in that and there are practically no places to do it near me anyway. I like the "it was only 28 deg" That is hot here. 🥵
It sounds as if you were after the same sort of bike as me. I was surprised by how good the Suzuki's engine was, but the heat issue is an absolute deal-breaker for me, much more so than the other, relatively minor annoyances, like no cruise, or tubeless rims. Thanks for your feedback :) P.S. 31 today
@@RocketMan_Moto Still got my Transalp but finding the jerky throttle annoying. Suzuki have just announced the 800RE and I think it looks great. So, thought I might try the 800DE just to compare first. OMG, what a bike, loved it. I agree with practically everything that you mentioned. The Suzuki is more fun to ride. Couldn't wait to get back on it. The delivery is so smooth. The screen was great, easy to read, and good to see Air Temp & Range instead of Grip Angle!!! Looks much better in the flesh. Rode the black n blue and it looked great outside the pub I visited, LOL. The wide handlebars take a bit of getting used to and both bikes can get pulled aside by ruts parallel with the road but the Transalp is better. Found the DE seat softer when you first get on, but the dreaded numbbum eventually appeared. I found the DE felt safer down some of our English country roads and could be ridden faster without losing confidence. I dont normally ride fast but it was a good test. The finish on both bikes is superb with the DE slipping a bit in places.The one thing I did not notice much was the heat. The Transalp is impressive when you start to remove parts and re-assemble, the bike has some very good design touches and it is obvious that the design team took a lot of time getting it right. Looking forward to trying the 800RE. Should be here in November. Oh, one more thing, the quickshifter on the DE was absolutely the best I have ever tried (What clutch?) It is great to see so many great bikes coming out. Hopefully the Chinese presence will encourage the others to try even harder, win, win, win.
The Suzuki looks great in yellow and blue. I like the styling better, and it has more low-down shove, so it would be the one for me. Then you tell us about the heat being thrown off it. But I won't be buying one, anyway.
Good comparative review, RM. 1990 [Nick J]
Yes, the torque is great, but the heat issue is a deal-breaker🙁
Nice work RocketMan! I have just seen the three way comparison by MC News on the Transalp compared to the Suzuki 800 and Yamaha 700. Surprisingly, they rated the Transalp superior to the Suzuki off road, despite it's non adjustable suspension. The Honda was a clear winner on road with outstanding handling and performance. Now I haven't ridden the Suzuki, but it sure looks ugly. I found the Tenere very uncomfortable and top heavy, with poor road manners. Clear win for the Transalp, so I bought one, and I am very happy overall. However, as I live on and enjoy gravel roads, why did Honda see fit to not allow you to save USER mode settings!!! What a pain having to reset them every time the key is turned on. Don't care about no cruise control or no tubeless tyres, the traction control really sucks off the tar and must be turned off. Honda's GRAVEL mode is a joke. Their engineers need to come out to NZ and I will show them some gravel roads....... Sorry about the rant, I really do like my new Transalp.
Thanks for your feedback, Mike. Yes, I saw the MCN video too. Good to see the Transalp so highly rated. Enjoy yours👍😊
I am sure the USER settings are saved. I have just tried on my XL750 and it saves them. I presume you are saying that you adjust the P, EB, T and ABS in the settings, then ride with the settings and after off/on of Ignition it loses the settings that you have set? Are you returning to the Main Screen by pressing the left arrow until you are there. That is the only thing that might lose them. Let me know how you are setting and I will try to replicate it. Good luck, Hope this helps. 🤓
I think the Suzuki proportions are poor compared to the Honda from a design perspective but many people like it. I much prefer the clean look of the Honda. Also when you look closely at the Honda or remove panels it is clear a lot of thought has gone into the design.
I am not interested in Cruise or Tubeless either. I would rather not pay for Cruise when I'm not going to use it. Perhaps it could have been an extra that you plug in to the main PCB?
I have been riding for over 50 yrs and have had far less problems with tubed tyres than tubeless. I once got a bikes tyres changed that were tubeless and doing 80 down a main road and the back tyre went down very quickly. As you can imagine it lost traction and I was luckily able to control it somehow. It obviously had not been sealed properly. Tubeless tyres go down quicker than Tubed as well once punctured. So for safety reasons I prefer tubed.
I think the GRAVEL setting is literally for gravel, not off-road or serious gravel. 🙃
@@blackskunk54 Thanks for the help! I will have to try setting from the main menu. What I have been doing is going to USER mode, holding MODE button down until parameters flash, changing them, then going back by re-holding MODE button. This works until the ignition switch is turned off. Guess it is possible that different markets have different software?
@@blackskunk54 Tried settings through the main menu, but they still return to default (full traction control) after ignition turned off. Very frustrating!!!
Great entertaining and informative video again but could you please add some background engine noise from the bike? Just hearing your overhead voice makes the videos sound a little ‘ empty’ and too clean while you are riding.
Thanks. Not really something I do. There are plenty of other RUclips videos with engine noise😊
I have 30 inch inseam, but am 6 foot tall? Wonder which would fit better…206 lbs…32 inch arm/sleeve length.
You shouldn’t have a problem on either bike👍
Wait, haven't heard you mention about footpeg vibrations around 5K revs, which was the highest catalyst not purchase this bike.
I didn’t experience excessive vibration. Seemed similar to the Honda. You make a fair point, but it’s difficult to cram every bit of information into a 10-minute video😉
Great comparison video. I get how you use the word “agricultural” to describe one bike being less refined in a certain area than another bike so no need to change sine 99% of us understand what you mean.
Thanks, Pistol👍😊
Your right about Cruise Control. It's a deal breaker for me and I will upgrade bikes as soon as Cruise is standard.
Doesn’t really bother me, but I know a lot of prospective buyers are put off🤔
Have look at the KTM 790, I'm sure you can get Cruise control with that bike
Luckily the wing roots on my hurricane from Hannants were perfect...was holding my breath as I opened it!
Eh?
It's current year. Why does handling engine heat seem to be a problem for multiple brands?
Yes, disappointing from Suzuki🤔
@@PovilasPanavas Thanks for the reply! I have heard about some european regs re: horsepower and licensing, but not too much about emissions. Still, why doesn't Honda have the same problem that apparently Suzuki and Triumph have. My TS 660 is toasting my ankles even at highway speeds.
What about the V-Strom 1050(version)? The 800DE is great, but we're spoiled with the power of the Speed Twin. Maybe the 1050 could temp you?
Haven’t tried it. I would need to check for engine heat
@@RocketMan_Moto And what about the radiator heat that comes from the Speed Twin? I don't mind it when i'm riding because it's a nice shin warmer. :) Or do you notice it less due to the warm climate?
I'm a bit behind your motor purchases, because i'm waiting for the 800RE (new Vstrom) release. When i test drive that one, it will be a battle between the Transalp, 800 or 1050. The Norden 901 is a really good bike, but doesn't suit my riding style.
Irrational, but I don’t object to the Speed Twin heat so much, because it’s such a large engine. The Suzuki’s is unforgivable because others (Honda) manage it fine🤷♂️
Nice review. Being a short-@rse it sounds like the Suzy would be my initial choice if I was in the market for one of these, especially with the more torquey engine
Thanks. Makes sense. It is a very gutsy engine, pity about the heat.
Suzuki is readying a road biased version of the 800 vstrom. Perhaps I’ll wait for that.
Good idea, it’s a great engine (except for the heat part)👍
I suspect the current trend for gold 'just like Öhlins!' coloured forks is going to be passé pretty soon.
You’re probably right😊👍
You mention the engine heat on the Suzuki and i want to ask if the heat on the Speed Twin bothers you at all
Yes, it does. Somehow, it seemed worse on the Suzuki, though🤔
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks for reply because that is one thing that is putting me off. I might look to the z900rs
The Z900RS is a bit better than the Speed Twin for heat. Looks even better, too, imo, but doesn't have quite the grunt of the ST 1200, obviously
Engine heat would be an issue for most, so that is disappointing on The Suzuki. You mentioned the cheap-ish skid plate on the Suzy, but the Honda lacks one completely, and with that "street" exhaust would be difficult to fit one anyway. And then there is resale value, and that is always a huge bonus for Honda.
One of the reasons I went for the Transalp was precisely because it came unclutered. I have chose my engine guard + bash plate (Hepco & Becker) to suit my mainly road riding. Resale definitely a plus for the Honda, yes :)
@RocketMan_Moto I would get the Honda too. Always more refined than the other Big 3 manufacturers from Japan.
The old style 12v cigarette socket is handy for mini air compressor, if you've just plugged a flat.... for which you'd need tubeless tyres.... I think if I bought the 800 I'd have get a tubeless conversion. I know if you are serious offroad you have protection from bent rims but that's a fairly minority sport.... best suited to the Enduro bikes.
Good point re. compressor, although I carry a cordless
I do believe cruise control is optional on the 800DE along with the quick shifter.
Quick shifter is standard, don’t think cruise is available even as an option
Definitely no CC available.
(I bought it anyway and I'm happy with it.)
Given that most of these bikes will not be used off-road, hoping they will offer models with 19/ 17 cast rims with tubeless tires. Honda for the win for me, but the lack of cruise is a deal breaker for me now after having it on my current bike.
Thanks for your feedback👍😊
nice one ,,, seems that the buyers local dealer may play the big part in this choice ;;
Indeed
I am enjoying your channel as i have a Triumph 400X on order and live in Thailand so its hot and i want a single and a twin bike and your tastes and needs overlap mine .
The Single will be the Triumph and i am leaning towards the Transalp for my twin cylinder bike. I prefer simple and reliable and i am on a budget. My last bike was a CRF250 Rally which was brilliant here and i rode tens of thou=sands of trouble free km's on it. My past experiences with every Honda product from generators to motorbikes makes me lean towards Honda just out of respect for the brand being such great reliable bikes.
My Suzukis have never been troublesome so its a bit unfair but Honda has a God like reputation for a reason.
Thanks for your feedback, glad you're enjoying the channel. I'm envious about your Triumph 400X - I have no need for one, but I'm drawn towards it, and have been watching the first reviews in India. They won't be here in Europe until January, though.
Ya they make them here in Thailand but my dealer on Phuket says i get it in January too...i will test ride it first and do have the new Royal Enfield 450 Himalaya and possibly the Interceptor 650 Scrambler to test ride and compare but i am pretty sure its the Triumph 400X in matte green is the one.
The price is fantastic and its the right amount of power for me to use as a travel bike in SE Asia but still find a space to park and sneak through traffic. The roads are crap here and have gravel, sand and mud on top of rough sections so the suspension and 80/20 tires wont go amiss. The odd bit of gravel road or slow trail too but really it will be a stylish travel bike for me. No windscreen in the hot weather will let my mesh jacket and pants work too. Kind of the idea behind the original scrambler.Keep it simple and make it work and go explore. We have some incredible roads and mountains here.
I have been thinking of a Street Twin or Scrambler for years and this little bike should be perfect heat wise and it could be a really big deal for Triumph if they get the sales volume i expect them to get. I am excited to rack up the kilometres on it and see if i can break some mileage records on an extended 4 year warranty haha I am shooting for 50,000 km a year.@@RocketMan_Moto
That’s some serious mileage😳
@@RocketMan_Moto a guy had to have goals in life haha
It’s so east here to travel and I average 50 bucks a day all in cad in costs but ya 50k/km a year will be a lot regardless but I have 3 neighbouring countries to see as well and I am not getting any younger
Go for it! :)
Because I am 99% road biased I an debating whether to get something like the Transalp or get a sporty faster naked like your Speed Twin or Mt-09, etc? How do I choose?
I’m lucky, I have both. They are completely different machines. The Honda is the ultimate ‘useful, go-anywhere’ SUV, the Triumph puts a grin on my face every time I twist the throttle😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks.
@@RocketMan_Moto I like smiles on my face. I
I get that. If I could only keep one, it would have to be the Triumph.
@@RocketMan_Moto Good to know.
I ride at night a lot. No street lights. How is the illumination on the two?
Couldn’t test the Suzuki, but the Transalp’s headlight is poor🙁
I have left my full beam on by mistake for a long time and nobody flashed me, unlike my previous bikes. I have the 2 extra OEM lights and have added a 3rd one in the middle (Not Honda, got it from Hong Kong about 10 years ago). The one I added is way more noticeable and am pretty sure it is only 900 lumens. I adjusted it so it is pointing in the same direction as the dipped headlight.
Don't worry, gold forks are so ... 2016. 😂 I appreciate your frank evaluations.
Thanks 👍😊
I found heat an issue on the T7, and that was just a test ride.....in England!
Yes, the T7 gets hot too, but I found the Suzuki even worse
Straight to the point, sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Shame that the Suzuki's engine gets so hot. Thinking about it that whopping fugly exhaust might be a cause of the excessive heat. Fit a much better and smaller free flowing exhaust then the engine might run cooler. Might. Also the bike might not run so lean if cooler. Probably mapped this way to get past Euro emissions.
I think you made the right choice too buying the Transalp. It's definitely a better looking bike. Let's not be fickle about this.
Both manufacturers cocked up by not fitting cruise control or tubeless tyres to these bikes. For me the KTM 890 Adv is the one to go for or even the older 790Adv in spite of reliability concerns being KTM.
Enjoy your holiday. A biking holiday by any chance or off to lie on a beach? ;@)
Thanks, Alex. Beach with our children🥰
I'd be interested in Australian riders experiences of engine heat. I rode a gs750 and an Yam XT500 in Australia in over 40c at times, both ran with no problem and the Suzuki was hammered on a 170 mile round trip for my girlfriend at the time. Good bikes those older Suzuki GS fours, simple, solid and bombproof I've had 750,850 shaftie and gs1000 all did well over 50000 miles and the 850 and 1000 did near 100000 miles or more. The 850 was abused and despatched but at 85000 plus miles burnt a bit of oil half litre in 500 miles but ran faultlessly and was so comfortable and great on long runs. A great sidecar bike.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Thanks rocket Man. The bikes get very hot now even if most are water cooled and the cats in the exhaust run at very high temperatures. That's probably why engines can get so hot. The old air-cooled carburetor engines were less tuned normally with no cat and ran richer
Yes, I think Euro 5 has a lot to do with the heat🙁
Interesting. The Honda is better looking but that Suzuki motor sounds like it would win my heart. Horses for courses but emotion always plays a roll in what most of us buy even if we don't admit that.
Absolutely. Thanks for your feedback😊👍
Did you think of the BMW GS?
Yes, but it’s another €10k🙁
i found the honda was almost upside down in the engine department it had me chasing the rush higher up ..dare isay a bit dull until it hit the magic 5s ..the suzuki just went ondemand from nowhere and that suits me much better ..the suspension on the suzuki is way way better off road which is important to me ..such a pity honda seem to have just chucked the hornet engine in it and have not really tuned it at all for off road ..the engine heat isnt really a big issue at speed standing and the weather protection is a pretty easy fix ..lloks are imatirial im to old now to be concerned about what others may think as i ride on my own ...suzuki is hands down the better all rounder for me
Thanks for your feedback👍😊
I was keen to get the Vstrom 800, but the lack of grip angle is a deal breaker for me.😎
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LMFAO
Just had a wonderful day on the Danish tet on my vstrom 800 de. And i have to agree whit what you say about the bike. The Honda is faster on the road and better looking. But the offroad skills and the rear preload ajuster made me go whit the Suzuki. In Denmark it is also 1200 euro chaper then the Honda.
€1200 cheaper? Wow, that’s odd. It’s €1k more expensive in most markets🤔
What area are u driving in?
Algarve, southern Portugal. 38 degrees today.
This or ktm 790 adventure 2023?
Not the Suzuki because of the heat problem, not the KTM because of the boring Chinese engine
Any comments on
Bmw 850 gs vs transalp 7
Video coming as soon as my BMW dealer gets an 850 demonstrator
Thanks a ton @@RocketMan_Moto
I maneuver my bike a lot with the engine off so I definitely like the lighter weight of the Honda. Also Suzuki should have added a real bash plate for that kind of price. If not an aluminum one, at least a thicker polymer plate instead of that piece of plastic garbage they opted for.
I agree. I’d rather have nothing than something I pay for and then need to bin🤔
Sounds like the Transalp would suit me better too RM. ;)
Yes, I don’t get the feeling you’re too much into off roading? Good to see your enjoying your Indian. It certainly is a fine looking machine👍
@@RocketMan_Moto Yeah I've always been a road rider. I did have fun exploring gravel roads on the NC750X, was a bit of a novelty, but after a while I started wanting a pure road bike again. Cheers mate, I really like it and I like your bike too!
Not sure why this is but in my area Suzuki is barely present even though this is a top area for riding. The bikes are in stock piecemeal at one or two dealers. Compare that to Honda who has big corporate stores in addition to several independent retailers with lots of stock.
I have the same problem here, which is why I had to wait so long to get my hands on the 800DE🙁
I think that the Transalp is a better all around bike. I also think that the aerodynamic protection of the windshield on the Transalp is way better than on the V-Strom 👌🏻
Yes, it is👍😊