A buttery biscuity base. It’s hard to argue that cig should make money when all we see is them making money. I think we would all want the game to sell its self, it shouldn’t need erad or anyone standing on a soap box trying to explain why it is a game. If the game needs any of that it’s already not a game worth playing. I thought Icarus was scammy, with a weird pricing model. Picked it up on a sale, pleasantly surprised, with hours of grinding out currency and xp for progression, and even npc and working ai. That was cheaper than star citizen and I already have more hours played and not once have I fallen through the planet. Would I get that same experience with star citizen beyond the wow factor of seeing a big ship in hanger. Nope.
On point 8. There is no risk to a griefer. No matter what CIG implements. Griefers want to see people suffer no matter what. Doesn't matter if they lose money, in game items or ships, get thrown in jail, etc... if they've done something they are satisfied. Idk how you combat that.
You combat that by game design, pvp in sc is kind of endgame content, when it's your main game of sorts, you get bored of what game has to offer. If there was meaning behind pve or pvp you won't even have to differentiate between the two.
There needs to be multiple system implementations to make this work. 1. Designate specific zones as the FFA zone. This way the fun loving PVP players will naturally split themselves away from the griefers and campers. Pyro system will accomplish this at least. 2. Create an overwhelming punishment for the griefers. Extremely long jail time I think is pretty fine. It won't fully "stop" griefers, but at least when I get griefed I will be satisfied knowing that griefer is forced to login and walk around doing nothing in jail for 24-48 hours, get permanently banned, or at least helps support the game I love by spending tons of money buying ships on multiple griefing accounts. 3. Create a gameplay mechanic that will assist the victims. Bounty system is an example of this, but there needs to be a safer system than Stanton, which I believe is planned, which are the UEE systems that will have security fleet that will react quickly should a player gets griefed. With this system at least victims have ways to combat the griefer, like prioritizing shield and performing evasion maneuvers while waiting for the security fleet to arrive. EVE Online has most of these systems in place, and while I can't say that there aren't griefers in EVE, you won't see them as much, and with much to lose the majority of them will find better ways to enjoy their time in the game, or outright find other games to grieve.
Also this is NOT WoW. In WoW if you attack someone they are ALWAYS in a "combat ship", because all classes are combat focused. If you gank someone in a cargo or mining ship? Not so much.
@@puppeteer4916um no? PvP is going to be the foundation of everything. You want to move cargo from point a to point b? There is no safety slider, hire some bodyguards to deal with pirates. Bounty hunting? Sure you will have NPC missions, but the PvP aspect is there from the start. Mining? Here come those pirates again. PvP will always be there it’s not end game content
thing with "MK2" and "MK3" ships is that it's a good way to double or triple the ship backlog rather quickly. on top of the actual base ship never reaching its potential, because its potential was made into more expensive ship. people shouldn't have to pay for a more expensive ship just to get the gold standard of the ship they bought 10 years ago. the in practice application of pay to win MK1/2/3 business models is literal cancer... what actually happens is that whales buy everything regardless to be on top, competitive players pay for select top tier to be on same level as whales and to be above free to play/ base package players. might work for a bit, until base package players figure out they can't generate enough XP to keep their loadout current meta, get mad, and stop playing. then competitive and hardcore players figure out they're only paying to be on par with whales and get pissed that 90% of the competition left and it's just them and whales, so they play something else. then whales are left with propping up the company by themselves.
The thing about missing information in an audit is that sometimes it's just been forgotten to be filed in, or the person filing it didn't know if it had to be included or not. The vast majority of countries make information about what's needed for financial information dispension incredibly complicated, so that if you're not a specialist for that specific process, you'll tend to make something wrong. I can absolutely look at this and see it as an honest mistake by some employee, rather than a malicious attempt at obfuscation.
I disagree about the tech demo thing. A tech demo is something thrown together to demonstrate a technical feature, and is intended from the outset to be scrapped and the final product built from the ground up. The server meshing mockup we saw at Citizencon was a tech demo, and everything pre-3.0 was arguably one, but as incomplete as the current game is, it's still a product intended to evolve directly into the final game and so it doesn't fit the definition. SC is just an unfinished early access game, like a million others out there, it's just way bigger, more expensive, and has dragged on way longer.
I think CIG missed the mark on modularity. Sell the base ship, then sell the modular packages. Could have made the same amount of $$. We don't need 4 Cutlass variants, we needed one Cutlass frame and four module packages. Go from only selling four items to potentially selling 5 items. :) With a focus to modularity, it turns a one time buy ship like the MSR into multiple opportunities to sell additional modules to give the ship different roles. Constellation? Same thing as the Cutlass.
They made plenty of money doing it the way they did. What you're suggesting would've taken way more time, and the tech didn't exist to create modularity properly until recently. They would've failed a long time ago if they hadn't sold ships exactly the way they did. But in the long run I absolutely agree with you! I would hope all variants just end up being modular swaps.
During the decade it took for them to finally release modular, they needed a filler. Plus I’m not sure every ships needs to come with a modular function, so in that case.. you can still have variants. The ships that they promised would be modular, they should go back and make a modular version of it and give players the option to keep their variants or opt instead for the modular version.
They missed nothing they way built the ships modularity is going to be difficult even for the ships that support it. These are fully rigged 3D models with air volumes, power runs etc.
Watched a video of yours talking about the xeno threat AI being slow to react. What I've learned playing Xeno threat missions late night for my time zone (9pm-1am window in NA, on EU servers)- 30FPS server are god tier SC experience (even with 180ms ping).
@nuanil we can only hope server meshing allows that to be the consistent experience. Once we have stable 30 fps servers and the reputation changes, maybe then we can play the game with griefers regularly fucking anyone and everyone coming out of a hangar
I got the game in like 2020 and ever since I hop on once every couple months and theres never anything to do and every time i try to do anything i just bug out, 30k or it takes me 2 hours just to get some armor and a gun
I mean... they've missed numerous deadlines and the amount of work left given their track record for development seems like it will be another 100 years until SC is completed.
Sc is still not a game i would want to play, they overhyped overdrive i tried it out and its still the same shit nothingburger missions from 5 years ago literally 0 progress
@@starcitizenbot Its only big because Cig have never done anything right yet, 3.23 is not a jesus patch, also chris mentioning 1.0 is extremely insulting considering the state of the game
I honestly think the only way CIG is going to make everyone happy is if they take a play out of War Thunder's book and make a dedicated "realistic" mode with DCS level flight simulation & sqaud-esque FPS simulation. You'll find all the sweaty PVP dog fighter bois, and filthy space pirates moving over to said mode/server etc. Leaving all the PVE and casual players to the "regular" mode/servers. Personally I love the diversity and potential for emergent gameplay keeping everything in one place, but if they ever do split modes I'll definitely be joining the "realistic" side.
18:04 Mike, the point of Morph's video was that the auditor asked for the additional information AND GOT IT. CIG provided the information when requested. Should it have been there originally? Maybe, probably. But they did provide it. P.s. Is it a tech demo or has the game, objectively bad though it is, been released? I feel like it can't be both.
CIG needs to share their future plans, that means what the subscription will look like and how long the LIVE service will continue when it comes to updates, ship releases, even maybe new mechanics etc. I would like to see the being contiously enhanced and expanded on to make it relevante for the foreseeable future. This is important to establish these future plans, ground it to give everyone confidence that Starcitizen will be around for a looooong time.
3:43 I kinda have this take as well. This is the Final Fantasy 14 Online, and I’m hoping that the 1.0 release in (probably) 3 years will be its “A Realm Reborn”
I can’t agree more with the idea that you can’t have depth if the base product is unfinished… How much longer do we have to deal with gravitational anomalies such as what happens with boxes? Ever watch those suckers bounce? How is it that in any positive-g environment, any box weighing more than about 20kg bounces? Ship parts? Bounce. Whole ships? Bounce. It’s almost as though the variable that stores the item’s weight or mass suddenly gets set to zero or a negative value once my handheld tractor beam lets go of it. But, since the box eventually settles down, it must be resetting over time or something. The same can be said for ship pieces. I’ve tanked PC and NPC ships while in atmo and I landed to see what goodies they had. I was able to move ship pieces, but they BOUNCED!! I’ve had NPCs blow up my ship while I’m outside on one mission or another, and when I come back, THE WIND ON THE SURFACE IS BLOWING MY SHIP PIECES AROUND! Yet, the same mass of air is not strong enough to push me around (or more appropriately, kill me). This is immersion-destroying, not to mention deadly, if a ship piece hits you. Cargo boxes that supposedly weigh too much for me to move without technological help suddenly have no mass/weight on occasion, usually associated with one of those ship-blowing-up events I just mentioned. Of course, it isn’t just ship pieces. Loot - rifles mostly - bounce around for no reason. Placing items on a shelf or even just on the floor using the ‘PLACE’ selection or with a tractor beam can often have odd results, too. I mean, basic UI stuff like this makes the game a joke, and they’re trying to get me to love the idea of an improved star map?? I mean, yes, I want the star map, but in my play through, I am moving items around a lot more than I use the star map, so this brokenness affects me more than the always-annoying star map. Another brain-numbing inconsistency is what you can climb on and what you can’t. In abandoned settlements, I am always surprised by the things I can jump and even do a pull-up to climb onto…but other objects, like some containers on the ground, nope. No pull-up, no climb, no jump. It would be nice if they fixed that issue and allowed us to climb onto more things, and even better, give us a visual indication like an up-arrow or a ‘ ^ ‘ at the top of the screen when we are facing an object we can climb onto… There’s more…oh, so much more, but I really want my message to be: PLEASE FIX BASIC PROBLEMS BEFORE TAKING ON MORE COMPLEX ISSUES!
One thing people need to stop saying: “Pyro will be completely lawless” The gangs make and enforce their own laws. It’s not a UEE controlled system where security is relatively guaranteed for sure, but there are rules you’re going to have to follow or else you will have consequences. An Unpopular Opinion: Stanton and Pyro have, relatively, the same level of law and enforcement. One is enforced by gangs and one is enforced by corporations. And the only real difference between gangs and corporations is paperwork.
21:07 you can sit in a chair, look at the wall and imagine that you’re on a space ship flying to unknown star system, meeting aliens, grinding reputation with them, and you can even imagine that you’re paying hundreds of bucks for FOMO marketing ships without actually losing money!
On the "tech demo" comment, realistically a game in Alpha IS a "tech demo" it's just that CIG hasn't put the game part in yet to make it a beta or release. So I agree with you, by definition it just is . . .
It is absolutely a tech demo. It's a collection of often disjointed features that are in testing and iteration. Completely agree with Mike though that this definitely shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.
I imagine if we were able to play GTA6 while still in development, it would feel the same way. I agree and I believe it’s normal and healthy for the game future.
Another point on "Too Many Ships: take... the problem with new ships is, we've been in a long, never-ending cycle, of NEEDING new ships, to supply us with new experiences, just to keep minimal moments seeming "fresh" and "new". I'm all for new ships... but unfortunately, ships have been the only tangible thing we've had to look forward to for so long. Granted, this is changing... or so it seems... fingers crossed!
The new ships don't give new experiences after you have played the core style of about 6-8 ships eg starter, fighters, miners, salvager, cargo, heavy military you basically have played them all they are basically a 3d mesh with a few quirky functions on various types. But in fact the mesh has awful physics its more like a number of interia values in a grid like row, pitch, yaw, strafe, forward, backwards, up, down. But they are truly awful in this regard they don't even compensate for something like mass when cargo is added to the ship. They randomly exploded. You cant get off and on them without face planting. Things fall into the walls / floor and cause them to detonate. The ramps jack the ships into the air if it hits the ground. Things slip over something when elevators go into the ground. The doors lag / slow to open. Adding so many ships is one of the worst decisions they ever made. Sure they probably sell some but there probably 10x more people out there who refuse to buy any more after the first 1-2 because of a consistant failure to deliver. Not to mention the moement you buy one 3 months later the ship is avilable in game for 15 minutes of drug running.. its actally insulting at this point
The experience is playable and is marketed as playable, but the goals of the company are not in line with developing a game, its on developing the tech to then develop a game, both can be true.
@@saltemikereacts I disagree. I think your argument about it being a tech demo is quite strong... but the release, not so much. Most of your points about it being a tech demo strongly counter indicate it being released. I also think CIG doesn't consider it released internally, and won't until this mythical 1.0 feature complete state.
Even when 1.0 finally comes around, it won’t be a fully release game. Sure they can call it the official release, but more technology will emerge allowing them to do way more than they thought was possible. Even core experience like master mode can still be changed after a 1.0 official release party.
@@saltemikereacts On developing tech to then develop games... This is why I would prefer to be a shareholder and not just a backer. For backing the return is SC and S42; for investing the return is everything released using the core tech and engine funded by backers.
Revenue should be a CONSEQUENCE, of making a good game. A good game will make money (hand over fist) look at Helldivers 2. Look at Spider Man 2 , look at GTA (any game in that franchise made bucket loads for it's Devs and Publisher)
There’s no budget cap here, no hard schedule deadlines and no major publisher to put the pressure on CIG to turn a profit or the project gets canned. Really can’t compare SC to the rest of the industry.
10. What proof has CIG provided that the game will ever be finished? 9. What's the point of more ships when there's not much game to use them in? 8. So he wants more ships options but not server options? 7. Graphics look fine IMO. Personally i'll take performance over graphics anytime. 6. The money goes to pay people to come up with concepts rather then results. 5. Saying "you should be aware there's going to be griefing" doesn't excuse griefing. 4. It's not just a tech demo but one of the most expensive in gaming history. 3. Hangerer 2. More like Boreville 1. They will stretch it out as long as possible on purpose. If they got $600 million for nothing but a tech demo alpha then they have all the incentive to keep it in that state forever.
Great quote Mike! CIG have not earned much money, most of it is gifts they get out of whales who are addicted to the game, and from new people who are blinded by the commercials and promises.
My biggest problem is that they are clearly prioritizing release of new ships so people can spend even more money instead of them focusing on making core features faster and creating new star systems. Sure it helps with people working on it getting payed but that's only a fraction of the money spent. Its been over 10 years and we still have only one star system, by any metric that is embarrassing no matter how many new systems had to be developed to support even that one star system. It is also partially because they want to shove everything into this one star system. Does it really need to have every headquarters of every corporation out there? Not really, would have been better if every corp had its own star system and we would have had 4-5 star systems by now. Result of this is going to be that compared to Orison, every other star system will seem kind of bland and empty and will have to highly rely on procedural generation instead of handcrafting. That is just one example. Their priorities in terms of development have always been going in the wrong direction, meaning towards ships. We don't really need over 200 ships for the launch of the game, that's just absurd, especially considering that many of those are just variants of one another
Talking about the 1.0 release; from a software development perspective, a lot of what they've released recently suggests an internal move towards beta, that is to say a fixed feature set and bug fixes. I think we'll see beta this year and release next.
I was saying the game has been "launched" like two years ago lol That's just the way you have to think about it, simply because no other game has a dev process like this.
The more ships, the more pressing the need to have full functionality for each ship, each mission, each career. The more EVERYTHING works, the more 'discerning' you have to be about your ship.
Regarding #8: It needs to be remembered that SC was originally meant to be a mostly single player game that simply did multiplay matchmaking (if you wanted) when you came into the same combat spaces as other. NOw, it's not longer that game and the campaign got split off into a whole other game, but to use CR's words "It will have simpler netcode than WOW" indicates that PvE was originally supposed to be a thing. Now? Nope the tech doesnt support multiple servers.
8:33 People that say "they need to make money" really mean "they need to make revenue". You took a large leap assuming people know the difference between money and revenue; vast majority don't, especially in USA.
"Anything goes" is never a good thing anywhere. A very few minority can break the game for everyone else. Lawless means there's no UEE sending a platoon to execute you. But there should be consequences regardless of lawless.
CIGs biggest mistake was that they promised to make 2 games at once and that they focused on finishing the single player game first. That is why they couldn't show the progress they made and why they couldn't solve the server meshing problem earlier. If they had focused on Star Citizen they could have shown all their progress, they could have tackled a lot of their tech issues earlier and everyone would be happy. But maybe they knew that it would take a lot of time to build all those tools and systems and just focused on the only thing they could do in the meantime - creating art and lore and a single player game that didn't require all these tools and systems... It's not that unusual for games to take around 10+ years in development. Especially if they depend on a lot of tech that isn't build yet. And their comes the point i strongly disagree with Mike... No, other Game Studios wouldn't have solved the server meshing issue earlier. In my opinion they wouldn't even start trying. Or why are they making the same games over and over again instead of new ones?
I've been saying for years that Star Citizen is already out. And It has frequent DLC's ! If you look at it from a big picture view: 1) if CR is trying to make and release a AAA Game with industry breaking tech ... after 10+ years ... fail. 2) But if you consider that CR has created a company that employs 750-1500 people on multiple continents, over those 10+ years. Got investors to fund 100% it for the most part (backers) all the while generating news, entertainment, and industry breaking game tech. SUCCESS Its real name is Star Citizen Alpha ... and has a lot of DLCs !
No dude, traders with a full load arent mad they got pirated. Players are mad about dipshits orbitting seraphim/everus harbor firing missles/shooting at anyone in a hangar for no reason. While the station turrets fire at them endlessly (because the lasers do nearly no damage even if they hit)
How about they have 3.12 flight at 60% of that era speeds and weapons and components that had flavor and mixed loadouts. NO - we wasted the last 4 years on the failed Power Triangle and MM ... broken HUDs that are worse than the 3.12 hud. We had to redo things that didn't need reworks to drag out SHIP SALES for another 4-6 years to fund SQ42 and PRETEND they actually want the PU to go LIVE
What's been "insane and stupid" about the approach has been that they gave people the impression that they were making SC along with SQ42, and under that pretense people "pledged" money for ships they anticipate using in the PU. A lot of people were left to believe that along with acquiring the ship, they were pledging towards the development of the game in which they would actually use those items, which is not the single player game. Would server meshing have taken this long to figure out if SC was the priority and engineering resources were being put towards that problem? Or were they really working this whole time towards that, and they just focused on SQ42 in the meantime? Either way the communication was fuzzy. That's the main grief for me. I gotta say though, this video did help me reframe things more realistically, especially your take on it being a tech demo and why these things feel so unplanned still; that everything we have at this point is just proof of concept. It's disappointing that we're still at this stage, but it is what it is.
It's such a timeless, bizzare take that SC "will change 40 times between now and release so theres no point talking about anything". Are we talking about the same game here? The game that has implemented major gameplay loops the same way their design notes said they would, ten years ago? Really? Anyone who says SC is a "tech demo" has never actually bothered to look up the definition of "tech demo" or "game"/"video game". It's a game. A bad one, but a game. Stop coping. Also the entire argument that any game is "outdated" by the time it comes out truly is a moronic take. The MMO community is populated by four major games. WoW, ESO, FFXIV, and Guild Wars 2. Anyone wanna take a wild guess how old those games are? The games everyone still plays? Graphics don't matter. They never do.
I don't necessarily agree that it is a tech demo, it has gameplay loops that all lead to buying ships as well as survival. There is alot of games out there that have less gameplay loops than star citizen. It is basically a survival sandbox game. Now, if you say: "compared to what was promised years ago, it is a tech demo" Then yes it is.
I think the issue with calling it a tech demo is that its done with the worst possible connotation 99% of the time. I 100% agree with Mikes definition, they keep pumping out things but they are unrelated and not interconected, its not a game its a bunch of different activities in a big sandbox. But when people think tech demo they think theres 1 flyable ship that proves theres sort of a flight model and then all the other ships are Jpegs that will someday be added, or that they have showed that you can technically take damage and that there are gun models they just have to add teh shooting mechanics. I still remember that retarded gameranx video from like a year ago were they still thought there were no ships in the game
Every time we play the Tech Demo, (the game) we test it, test it, test it and have fun doing that. And we will do the same with system added, because each system added is ALSO a Tech Demo.
7:15 I agre, and so many ships are just plain unfinished. Or they are unfinished again as the 'gold' standard shifts. There are many, many ships that see very little use because people are going to get what works and use it.
I agree. Even if 1.0 released by the end of next year, the game will still be a bad game. Crashes, bugs, missing features, missing gameplay, performance issues etc. This is why I have stopped playing much and why I have stopped putting new money into the game. Star Citizen seems like an eternal showpiece that you can look but not touch.
I want 2,000 more ships. So I can fly them all into invisible asteroids. Drop through the floor of them. Can’t get in before the server lag is so high the doors won’t open. And so I can get stuck in the seat of all them because the game bugs and won’t let me turn on the ship or get out of the seat so now I have to log. Who needs working features if you have 2,000 ships!?
They need to stop saying Road to PYRO for years I'm hearing PYRO this PYRO that after all those years whole PYRO system is an old news and that's miracle because it isn't even released so factually hard not to call it a scam citizen if this is the way how so called game is being marketed and managed, whole system being old news before its released - that's magical, indeed...
@12:45 This argument about the constant reworking of graphics needs to stop being presented as a positive. Every time they iterate on something that is money wasted due to failing to follow a rational schedule. Some of the most absurd examples are that they are on version 5(?) or cloud rendering, and some ships are waiting for their 3rd or fourth rework. Failure to plan resulting in significant rework is not something to brag about and people need to stop defending CIG on this. This is why they are soon $700 million spent with zero games released. Hundreds of millions in effort have been overwritten by indecision and putting the flash cart in front of the substance horse.
With the whole industry going to shit, I wonder why people saying, "the game will never come out" or "the game will never be finished" as a negative at all. These people bought into a scam game like the day before then went to cry to their mom about it. There are also people who championed unfinished game, saying "you don't understand game development, hmph!". Even Dragon's Dogma turns out to be a usual Dogshit PC port, and they had the gall to ask us to pre fking order. How about, instead paying for an unfinished game masquerading as a finished one, how about play a pre-alpha game wearing the clothes of a pre-alpha game? 45$ and voila, you basically on the Steam Early access. Its a sandbox, go play with the sand, make a sand castle, bury yourself under the sand, poop on the sand. And at the end of the day, after experiencing what SC has to offer, then you can went off about a pre-alpha game feeling like a pre-alpha game.
Mike, what about "misshandling money", when we talk about 3k office chairs, huge museum-like doors and meeting rooms, and an expensive new prestige office building? They are trying to beat rockstar games and microsoft games, instead of handling our money efficiently.
@@ducktape4502 yes you literally can't do anything in this so called sandbox, you'd probably have fun with friends but that's any game. Tell me Mr Smartypants what do you do?
@@yous2244To be honest, I get bored in every sandbox game I’ve tried and played and they don’t interest me at all but I never really felt like there was nothing to do in SC. Yeah I don’t have tons of hours but doing all the different missions and mining can be entertaining for a while. And that’s without doing any pvp stuff. I would love to find a group to do pirating and ground pvp
@@yous2244You *literally* can do dogfighting, fps combat, mining, salvaging, racing time trials, commodity trading. So saying you literally can't do anything is just a lie you need to tell yourself to feel better.
The president and owner taking a salary in a developing product is insane. How many businesses do you think you can start and get a salary before your successful and have a product or service to sell and are turning profit. Right now they don't turn profit or really should not.
There’s not too many privately owned games with 5 studios and over a 1000 staff that is not backed up by a traditional major publisher gaming company either.
Gen12/Vulkan don't "make the game look better" like he implies in the video. It just is a baseline for other technologies to come in. The game will definitely not be the peak of games visually at launch, its already behind.... and unless they go back and retexture everything in the game from scratch every 2 years and remodel everything it will look slightly outdated. Its definitely sketchy that we gave them money for SC and they spent it on squadron 42.... the money should have been separate imo. And we know they will take a ton of "profit" for themselves from SQ42 and I sincerely doubt much of it will go back into SC.
Yes Terra will be a much safer PVE zone focused on trading and so on. As a major system in lore and capital of UEE the security will be much higher there
My number 1 is, "They shouldn't be working on (insert feature here) they should all be working on (other feature or bug that requires entirely different skills and training)." Please stop. It may be a tech demo or and an alpha, I won't argue that, but it IS also A GAME! Why? Because I can play it and have fun! That to me is a game. And I agree people who still think it's a scam need to either do research or therapy. And lastly, if you don't like the game. DON'T PLAY IT! Don't log in to bitch in global chat for 2 hours about how horrible it is and how we shouldn't be having fun playing it.
#10 The game will never be released: what game is more ambitious? I'll wait. You might as well say a kid will never grow off of eating table scraps. SC is about as awkward as a pimpl-ey 14 y.o. right now, but 5-7ish years it could potentially be eating the gaming industry's lunch in front of it like a Gigachad.
I don't agree with Mike on a lot of things, but I do agree on the tech demo point. Sc has done a lot of things that were not considered possible, but I feel that we will only get to the game after 4.0. My main reason for disagreeing with Mike is his push for content, because all content we have received has just been proof of concept. Most of the engine has now been built and it was truly ambitious and cool, but from 4.0 we will start seeing the game being built. I have literally uninstalled the game not because I don't like it, but I think near the end of the year beginning of next is when we will start seeing real content patches and I still want the game to feel new to me. I really appreciate the evo updates and insight. Between Mike. SuperMac, Kate and A1 I still get my weekly dose of SC.
If going by that metric then yes Mike I agree with you 1000% Star Citizen is probably the only game that saw release years ago, is in a bad to mediocre state with no real game play and it has made millions despite all its shortcomings.
The artist making ships and ship concepts have nothing to do with making or drawing concepts for Hacking or other gameplay, no reason to stop making ships.
I do not think Star Citizen looked above and beyond games in the past. In many ways, Crysis 3 looks better, hell I can make Skyrim look better than many places in Star Citizen. Horizon Forbidden West is in some areas less advanced on the technical side than what we've seen at Citizencon last year, but it looks phenomenal. A big part of that is art direction and asset quality. Star Citizen always had strong art direction and high quality assets. Even in super flat lighting, those can look really good. Add in ray tracing, and now it's catching up to the current big hitters, but don't forget that RT-capable consoles only launched a few years ago, and most games do target multiplatform releases. So you feeling like games have caught up to Star Citizen has more to do with hardware trends than CIG lagging behind. I mean, if we were still supposed to have DX11 for the next 5 years or so, I'd agree that CIG has been sleeping, but Vulkan could be a thing by the time 3.23 releases.
...if we get Pyro till end of the year, working that is... not just included... then we can maybe expect 1-2 systems next year, so maybe 1.0 can come earliest mid 2026
Building a capital ship into the PU is already a year long project. Even with some of these systems ready for SQ42, I can see it’s a much more lengthier project to get it polished enough for the PU. While others maybe shock that we still don’t have Pyro by the end of the year, I already been saying it for a year now that I don’t expect Pyro until 2025
@@blackmamba___🤷♂️ I think we will see pyro sooner than later, but I think it will be new system same old stuff. Idk about systems afterwards, cause I agree with Mike, its a tech demo the prove they can do something then move on to the next thing. I do also think once they have sorted pyro it will be much quicker to the next systems 🤷♂️ but really who tf knows 🤣
I just played it now. No joke its still needs at least 7-8 years but the core gameplay is there lol. Its still incredibly clunky especially on foot. Horrible bugs are still apparent. BUT.. IF THEY SCALED DOWN the world it has a chance to be released.
Regarding ships, it would be fun if you could purchase a used original Zeus, Avenger, etc..., how many first cars are new? How many different makes and models of vehicles are there around the world, I'm guessing more than two hundred? ;-) I have no problem with PVE, PVP or Pirate play, maybe there should be anti-griefer play missions? I've said this before; if I'm flying my Warden or similar ship, I should expect to be attacked (PVP) and if I'm flying a loaded C2 or similar ship, I should expect to be pirated (hopefully left with enough to still make a profit). ;-D
we say game dos not need more ships cause we ant CIG to focus on game play cause is full of bugs. Fix the game then make more ships, ofc we want more ships but we want to fly them not to buy them on the website
(From the original video) "When you got into SC, you knew there would be open world PvP." Wrong... we would get private servers, modding tools to run them, and a PvP slider for the official servers. Get your facts straight please.
6:13 "You can't have depth when you don't have the base."
Deeply based.
A buttery biscuity base.
It’s hard to argue that cig should make money when all we see is them making money. I think we would all want the game to sell its self, it shouldn’t need erad or anyone standing on a soap box trying to explain why it is a game.
If the game needs any of that it’s already not a game worth playing.
I thought Icarus was scammy, with a weird pricing model. Picked it up on a sale, pleasantly surprised, with hours of grinding out currency and xp for progression, and even npc and working ai. That was cheaper than star citizen and I already have more hours played and not once have I fallen through the planet.
Would I get that same experience with star citizen beyond the wow factor of seeing a big ship in hanger. Nope.
The "lore" in loreville is how anyone stays alive when there is nothing to eat or drink that isn't acoholic.
Same can be said about Las Vegas
@@ADRIAAN1007 😆
They're actually robots who burn it as a fuel like Bender.
On point 8. There is no risk to a griefer. No matter what CIG implements. Griefers want to see people suffer no matter what. Doesn't matter if they lose money, in game items or ships, get thrown in jail, etc... if they've done something they are satisfied. Idk how you combat that.
You don't. Best way is to just ignore getting provoked by them.
You combat that by game design, pvp in sc is kind of endgame content, when it's your main game of sorts, you get bored of what game has to offer. If there was meaning behind pve or pvp you won't even have to differentiate between the two.
There needs to be multiple system implementations to make this work.
1. Designate specific zones as the FFA zone. This way the fun loving PVP players will naturally split themselves away from the griefers and campers. Pyro system will accomplish this at least.
2. Create an overwhelming punishment for the griefers. Extremely long jail time I think is pretty fine. It won't fully "stop" griefers, but at least when I get griefed I will be satisfied knowing that griefer is forced to login and walk around doing nothing in jail for 24-48 hours, get permanently banned, or at least helps support the game I love by spending tons of money buying ships on multiple griefing accounts.
3. Create a gameplay mechanic that will assist the victims. Bounty system is an example of this, but there needs to be a safer system than Stanton, which I believe is planned, which are the UEE systems that will have security fleet that will react quickly should a player gets griefed. With this system at least victims have ways to combat the griefer, like prioritizing shield and performing evasion maneuvers while waiting for the security fleet to arrive.
EVE Online has most of these systems in place, and while I can't say that there aren't griefers in EVE, you won't see them as much, and with much to lose the majority of them will find better ways to enjoy their time in the game, or outright find other games to grieve.
Also this is NOT WoW. In WoW if you attack someone they are ALWAYS in a "combat ship", because all classes are combat focused. If you gank someone in a cargo or mining ship? Not so much.
@@puppeteer4916um no? PvP is going to be the foundation of everything. You want to move cargo from point a to point b? There is no safety slider, hire some bodyguards to deal with pirates. Bounty hunting? Sure you will have NPC missions, but the PvP aspect is there from the start. Mining? Here come those pirates again.
PvP will always be there it’s not end game content
thing with "MK2" and "MK3" ships is that it's a good way to double or triple the ship backlog rather quickly. on top of the actual base ship never reaching its potential, because its potential was made into more expensive ship. people shouldn't have to pay for a more expensive ship just to get the gold standard of the ship they bought 10 years ago.
the in practice application of pay to win MK1/2/3 business models is literal cancer... what actually happens is that whales buy everything regardless to be on top, competitive players pay for select top tier to be on same level as whales and to be above free to play/ base package players. might work for a bit, until base package players figure out they can't generate enough XP to keep their loadout current meta, get mad, and stop playing. then competitive and hardcore players figure out they're only paying to be on par with whales and get pissed that 90% of the competition left and it's just them and whales, so they play something else. then whales are left with propping up the company by themselves.
The thing about missing information in an audit is that sometimes it's just been forgotten to be filed in, or the person filing it didn't know if it had to be included or not. The vast majority of countries make information about what's needed for financial information dispension incredibly complicated, so that if you're not a specialist for that specific process, you'll tend to make something wrong. I can absolutely look at this and see it as an honest mistake by some employee, rather than a malicious attempt at obfuscation.
I disagree about the tech demo thing. A tech demo is something thrown together to demonstrate a technical feature, and is intended from the outset to be scrapped and the final product built from the ground up. The server meshing mockup we saw at Citizencon was a tech demo, and everything pre-3.0 was arguably one, but as incomplete as the current game is, it's still a product intended to evolve directly into the final game and so it doesn't fit the definition. SC is just an unfinished early access game, like a million others out there, it's just way bigger, more expensive, and has dragged on way longer.
Agree. It's an unfinished game but is beyond being just a tech demo.
I think CIG missed the mark on modularity. Sell the base ship, then sell the modular packages. Could have made the same amount of $$. We don't need 4 Cutlass variants, we needed one Cutlass frame and four module packages. Go from only selling four items to potentially selling 5 items. :)
With a focus to modularity, it turns a one time buy ship like the MSR into multiple opportunities to sell additional modules to give the ship different roles. Constellation? Same thing as the Cutlass.
They made plenty of money doing it the way they did. What you're suggesting would've taken way more time, and the tech didn't exist to create modularity properly until recently. They would've failed a long time ago if they hadn't sold ships exactly the way they did.
But in the long run I absolutely agree with you! I would hope all variants just end up being modular swaps.
During the decade it took for them to finally release modular, they needed a filler.
Plus I’m not sure every ships needs to come with a modular function, so in that case.. you can still have variants.
The ships that they promised would be modular, they should go back and make a modular version of it and give players the option to keep their variants or opt instead for the modular version.
They missed nothing they way built the ships modularity is going to be difficult even for the ships that support it. These are fully rigged 3D models with air volumes, power runs etc.
You should start a podcast (if you dont have one already) , you have a lot to say and im all ears
Watched a video of yours talking about the xeno threat AI being slow to react.
What I've learned playing Xeno threat missions late night for my time zone (9pm-1am window in NA, on EU servers)- 30FPS server are god tier SC experience (even with 180ms ping).
SC is a completely different game when the server is at 30 ticks a second
@nuanil we can only hope server meshing allows that to be the consistent experience.
Once we have stable 30 fps servers and the reputation changes, maybe then we can play the game with griefers regularly fucking anyone and everyone coming out of a hangar
I got the game in like 2020 and ever since I hop on once every couple months and theres never anything to do and every time i try to do anything i just bug out, 30k or it takes me 2 hours just to get some armor and a gun
I'm disappointed that the fact people still call SC, Scam Citizen wasn't discussed or brought up.
I mean... they've missed numerous deadlines and the amount of work left given their track record for development seems like it will be another 100 years until SC is completed.
Sc is still not a game i would want to play, they overhyped overdrive i tried it out and its still the same shit nothingburger missions from 5 years ago literally 0 progress
@@Memeguppy you're not wrong. 3.23, their next update, is slated to be the biggest one in a long time if not ever.
@@starcitizenbot its not
@@starcitizenbot Its only big because Cig have never done anything right yet, 3.23 is not a jesus patch, also chris mentioning 1.0 is extremely insulting considering the state of the game
Nepotism is a thing in CIG.
I'd rather a playable game but not officially released than a released game that's unplayable or half of what it should have been.
I honestly think the only way CIG is going to make everyone happy is if they take a play out of War Thunder's book and make a dedicated "realistic" mode with DCS level flight simulation & sqaud-esque FPS simulation.
You'll find all the sweaty PVP dog fighter bois, and filthy space pirates moving over to said mode/server etc. Leaving all the PVE and casual players to the "regular" mode/servers.
Personally I love the diversity and potential for emergent gameplay keeping everything in one place, but if they ever do split modes I'll definitely be joining the "realistic" side.
18:04 Mike, the point of Morph's video was that the auditor asked for the additional information AND GOT IT.
CIG provided the information when requested. Should it have been there originally? Maybe, probably. But they did provide it.
P.s. Is it a tech demo or has the game, objectively bad though it is, been released? I feel like it can't be both.
I hate to say it but that dude did not stick the landing with his video.
The fact that they never give refunds for anything ever is tell enough.
CIG needs to share their future plans, that means what the subscription will look like and how long the LIVE service will continue when it comes to updates, ship releases, even maybe new mechanics etc. I would like to see the being contiously enhanced and expanded on to make it relevante for the foreseeable future. This is important to establish these future plans, ground it to give everyone confidence that Starcitizen will be around for a looooong time.
3:43 I kinda have this take as well. This is the Final Fantasy 14 Online, and I’m hoping that the 1.0 release in (probably) 3 years will be its “A Realm Reborn”
I can’t agree more with the idea that you can’t have depth if the base product is unfinished… How much longer do we have to deal with gravitational anomalies such as what happens with boxes? Ever watch those suckers bounce? How is it that in any positive-g environment, any box weighing more than about 20kg bounces? Ship parts? Bounce. Whole ships? Bounce. It’s almost as though the variable that stores the item’s weight or mass suddenly gets set to zero or a negative value once my handheld tractor beam lets go of it. But, since the box eventually settles down, it must be resetting over time or something. The same can be said for ship pieces. I’ve tanked PC and NPC ships while in atmo and I landed to see what goodies they had. I was able to move ship pieces, but they BOUNCED!! I’ve had NPCs blow up my ship while I’m outside on one mission or another, and when I come back, THE WIND ON THE SURFACE IS BLOWING MY SHIP PIECES AROUND! Yet, the same mass of air is not strong enough to push me around (or more appropriately, kill me). This is immersion-destroying, not to mention deadly, if a ship piece hits you. Cargo boxes that supposedly weigh too much for me to move without technological help suddenly have no mass/weight on occasion, usually associated with one of those ship-blowing-up events I just mentioned. Of course, it isn’t just ship pieces. Loot - rifles mostly - bounce around for no reason. Placing items on a shelf or even just on the floor using the ‘PLACE’ selection or with a tractor beam can often have odd results, too. I mean, basic UI stuff like this makes the game a joke, and they’re trying to get me to love the idea of an improved star map?? I mean, yes, I want the star map, but in my play through, I am moving items around a lot more than I use the star map, so this brokenness affects me more than the always-annoying star map.
Another brain-numbing inconsistency is what you can climb on and what you can’t. In abandoned settlements, I am always surprised by the things I can jump and even do a pull-up to climb onto…but other objects, like some containers on the ground, nope. No pull-up, no climb, no jump. It would be nice if they fixed that issue and allowed us to climb onto more things, and even better, give us a visual indication like an up-arrow or a ‘ ^ ‘ at the top of the screen when we are facing an object we can climb onto…
There’s more…oh, so much more, but I really want my message to be: PLEASE FIX BASIC PROBLEMS BEFORE TAKING ON MORE COMPLEX ISSUES!
One thing people need to stop saying: “Pyro will be completely lawless” The gangs make and enforce their own laws. It’s not a UEE controlled system where security is relatively guaranteed for sure, but there are rules you’re going to have to follow or else you will have consequences.
An Unpopular Opinion: Stanton and Pyro have, relatively, the same level of law and enforcement. One is enforced by gangs and one is enforced by corporations. And the only real difference between gangs and corporations is paperwork.
Exactly yeah a lot of ppl don’t realize sec is based on UEE presence. Stanton is low sec plus corp sec. Pyro is null sec plus gang sec.
21:07 you can sit in a chair, look at the wall and imagine that you’re on a space ship flying to unknown star system, meeting aliens, grinding reputation with them, and you can even imagine that you’re paying hundreds of bucks for FOMO marketing ships without actually losing money!
On the "tech demo" comment, realistically a game in Alpha IS a "tech demo" it's just that CIG hasn't put the game part in yet to make it a beta or release. So I agree with you, by definition it just is . . .
It is absolutely a tech demo. It's a collection of often disjointed features that are in testing and iteration. Completely agree with Mike though that this definitely shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.
I imagine if we were able to play GTA6 while still in development, it would feel the same way. I agree and I believe it’s normal and healthy for the game future.
Another point on "Too Many Ships: take... the problem with new ships is, we've been in a long, never-ending cycle, of NEEDING new ships, to supply us with new experiences, just to keep minimal moments seeming "fresh" and "new". I'm all for new ships... but unfortunately, ships have been the only tangible thing we've had to look forward to for so long. Granted, this is changing... or so it seems... fingers crossed!
The new ships don't give new experiences after you have played the core style of about 6-8 ships eg starter, fighters, miners, salvager, cargo, heavy military you basically have played them all they are basically a 3d mesh with a few quirky functions on various types. But in fact the mesh has awful physics its more like a number of interia values in a grid like row, pitch, yaw, strafe, forward, backwards, up, down.
But they are truly awful in this regard they don't even compensate for something like mass when cargo is added to the ship. They randomly exploded. You cant get off and on them without face planting. Things fall into the walls / floor and cause them to detonate. The ramps jack the ships into the air if it hits the ground. Things slip over something when elevators go into the ground. The doors lag / slow to open.
Adding so many ships is one of the worst decisions they ever made. Sure they probably sell some but there probably 10x more people out there who refuse to buy any more after the first 1-2 because of a consistant failure to deliver. Not to mention the moement you buy one 3 months later the ship is avilable in game for 15 minutes of drug running.. its actally insulting at this point
As someone with a strong Westcoast accent, I feel personally attacked by points two and three
It’s a tech demo… but it’s also a released game? Not following how both can be true.
The experience is playable and is marketed as playable, but the goals of the company are not in line with developing a game, its on developing the tech to then develop a game, both can be true.
@@saltemikereacts I disagree. I think your argument about it being a tech demo is quite strong... but the release, not so much. Most of your points about it being a tech demo strongly counter indicate it being released. I also think CIG doesn't consider it released internally, and won't until this mythical 1.0 feature complete state.
Even when 1.0 finally comes around, it won’t be a fully release game. Sure they can call it the official release, but more technology will emerge allowing them to do way more than they thought was possible. Even core experience like master mode can still be changed after a 1.0 official release party.
@@saltemikereacts On developing tech to then develop games... This is why I would prefer to be a shareholder and not just a backer. For backing the return is SC and S42; for investing the return is everything released using the core tech and engine funded by backers.
Revenue should be a CONSEQUENCE, of making a good game. A good game will make money (hand over fist) look at Helldivers 2. Look at Spider Man 2 , look at GTA (any game in that franchise made bucket loads for it's Devs and Publisher)
SHOULD is what should be capitalized, but this isn't a perfect world.
There’s no budget cap here, no hard schedule deadlines and no major publisher to put the pressure on CIG to turn a profit or the project gets canned.
Really can’t compare SC to the rest of the industry.
star citizen, the fusion power of the gaming industry, perpetual 10 years away
Losing time is a risk. Time is finite and once it's gone, it's gone forever.
10. What proof has CIG provided that the game will ever be finished?
9. What's the point of more ships when there's not much game to use them in?
8. So he wants more ships options but not server options?
7. Graphics look fine IMO. Personally i'll take performance over graphics anytime.
6. The money goes to pay people to come up with concepts rather then results.
5. Saying "you should be aware there's going to be griefing" doesn't excuse griefing.
4. It's not just a tech demo but one of the most expensive in gaming history.
3. Hangerer
2. More like Boreville
1. They will stretch it out as long as possible on purpose. If they got $600 million for nothing but a tech demo alpha then they have all the incentive to keep it in that state forever.
Great quote Mike! CIG have not earned much money, most of it is gifts they get out of whales who are addicted to the game, and from new people who are blinded by the commercials and promises.
My biggest problem is that they are clearly prioritizing release of new ships so people can spend even more money instead of them focusing on making core features faster and creating new star systems. Sure it helps with people working on it getting payed but that's only a fraction of the money spent. Its been over 10 years and we still have only one star system, by any metric that is embarrassing no matter how many new systems had to be developed to support even that one star system. It is also partially because they want to shove everything into this one star system. Does it really need to have every headquarters of every corporation out there? Not really, would have been better if every corp had its own star system and we would have had 4-5 star systems by now. Result of this is going to be that compared to Orison, every other star system will seem kind of bland and empty and will have to highly rely on procedural generation instead of handcrafting. That is just one example. Their priorities in terms of development have always been going in the wrong direction, meaning towards ships. We don't really need over 200 ships for the launch of the game, that's just absurd, especially considering that many of those are just variants of one another
Talking about the 1.0 release; from a software development perspective, a lot of what they've released recently suggests an internal move towards beta, that is to say a fixed feature set and bug fixes. I think we'll see beta this year and release next.
I found your channel from 3.23 videos. I stayed for the honest and fair opinions, please keep it up.
Funny though the 24:45 tech demo is proper, I always try to call SC not a game but a project.
I was saying the game has been "launched" like two years ago lol
That's just the way you have to think about it, simply because no other game has a dev process like this.
The more ships, the more pressing the need to have full functionality for each ship, each mission, each career. The more EVERYTHING works, the more 'discerning' you have to be about your ship.
Regarding #8: It needs to be remembered that SC was originally meant to be a mostly single player game that simply did multiplay matchmaking (if you wanted) when you came into the same combat spaces as other. NOw, it's not longer that game and the campaign got split off into a whole other game, but to use CR's words "It will have simpler netcode than WOW" indicates that PvE was originally supposed to be a thing.
Now? Nope the tech doesnt support multiple servers.
8:33 People that say "they need to make money" really mean "they need to make revenue". You took a large leap assuming people know the difference between money and revenue; vast majority don't, especially in USA.
I appreciate the conversation around tech demo vs game. It gave me a lot to think about.
"Anything goes" is never a good thing anywhere. A very few minority can break the game for everyone else. Lawless means there's no UEE sending a platoon to execute you. But there should be consequences regardless of lawless.
CIGs biggest mistake was that they promised to make 2 games at once and that they focused on finishing the single player game first. That is why they couldn't show the progress they made and why they couldn't solve the server meshing problem earlier. If they had focused on Star Citizen they could have shown all their progress, they could have tackled a lot of their tech issues earlier and everyone would be happy.
But maybe they knew that it would take a lot of time to build all those tools and systems and just focused on the only thing they could do in the meantime - creating art and lore and a single player game that didn't require all these tools and systems... It's not that unusual for games to take around 10+ years in development. Especially if they depend on a lot of tech that isn't build yet.
And their comes the point i strongly disagree with Mike... No, other Game Studios wouldn't have solved the server meshing issue earlier. In my opinion they wouldn't even start trying. Or why are they making the same games over and over again instead of new ones?
I've been saying for years that Star Citizen is already out. And It has frequent DLC's !
If you look at it from a big picture view:
1) if CR is trying to make and release a AAA Game with industry breaking tech ... after 10+ years ... fail.
2) But if you consider that CR has created a company that employs 750-1500 people on multiple continents, over those 10+ years. Got investors to fund 100% it for the most part (backers) all the while generating news, entertainment, and industry breaking game tech. SUCCESS
Its real name is Star Citizen Alpha ... and has a lot of DLCs !
#1: "Live, Playable Now." CIG's words, not ours. The game is out, the game they sold us on will never be released.
No dude, traders with a full load arent mad they got pirated.
Players are mad about dipshits orbitting seraphim/everus harbor firing missles/shooting at anyone in a hangar for no reason. While the station turrets fire at them endlessly (because the lasers do nearly no damage even if they hit)
And the worse they have to deal with is clearing their CS at kareah.
How about they have 3.12 flight at 60% of that era speeds and weapons and components that had flavor and mixed loadouts. NO - we wasted the last 4 years on the failed Power Triangle and MM ... broken HUDs that are worse than the 3.12 hud. We had to redo things that didn't need reworks to drag out SHIP SALES for another 4-6 years to fund SQ42 and PRETEND they actually want the PU to go LIVE
What's been "insane and stupid" about the approach has been that they gave people the impression that they were making SC along with SQ42, and under that pretense people "pledged" money for ships they anticipate using in the PU. A lot of people were left to believe that along with acquiring the ship, they were pledging towards the development of the game in which they would actually use those items, which is not the single player game.
Would server meshing have taken this long to figure out if SC was the priority and engineering resources were being put towards that problem? Or were they really working this whole time towards that, and they just focused on SQ42 in the meantime? Either way the communication was fuzzy. That's the main grief for me.
I gotta say though, this video did help me reframe things more realistically, especially your take on it being a tech demo and why these things feel so unplanned still; that everything we have at this point is just proof of concept. It's disappointing that we're still at this stage, but it is what it is.
It's such a timeless, bizzare take that SC "will change 40 times between now and release so theres no point talking about anything". Are we talking about the same game here? The game that has implemented major gameplay loops the same way their design notes said they would, ten years ago? Really? Anyone who says SC is a "tech demo" has never actually bothered to look up the definition of "tech demo" or "game"/"video game". It's a game. A bad one, but a game. Stop coping.
Also the entire argument that any game is "outdated" by the time it comes out truly is a moronic take. The MMO community is populated by four major games. WoW, ESO, FFXIV, and Guild Wars 2. Anyone wanna take a wild guess how old those games are? The games everyone still plays? Graphics don't matter. They never do.
Yep. Still a tech demo more than a decade later.
I don't necessarily agree that it is a tech demo, it has gameplay loops that all lead to buying ships as well as survival. There is alot of games out there that have less gameplay loops than star citizen. It is basically a survival sandbox game. Now, if you say: "compared to what was promised years ago, it is a tech demo" Then yes it is.
I think the issue with calling it a tech demo is that its done with the worst possible connotation 99% of the time. I 100% agree with Mikes definition, they keep pumping out things but they are unrelated and not interconected, its not a game its a bunch of different activities in a big sandbox. But when people think tech demo they think theres 1 flyable ship that proves theres sort of a flight model and then all the other ships are Jpegs that will someday be added, or that they have showed that you can technically take damage and that there are gun models they just have to add teh shooting mechanics.
I still remember that retarded gameranx video from like a year ago were they still thought there were no ships in the game
static server meshing with 1000 players and pyro = Alpha 4.0. Dynamic server meshing and 10 + active systems with AI and Server FPS 20+ = SC 1.0
Every time we play the Tech Demo, (the game) we test it, test it, test it and have fun doing that. And we will do the same with system added, because each system added is ALSO a Tech Demo.
7:15 I agre, and so many ships are just plain unfinished. Or they are unfinished again as the 'gold' standard shifts. There are many, many ships that see very little use because people are going to get what works and use it.
I agree. Even if 1.0 released by the end of next year, the game will still be a bad game. Crashes, bugs, missing features, missing gameplay, performance issues etc. This is why I have stopped playing much and why I have stopped putting new money into the game. Star Citizen seems like an eternal showpiece that you can look but not touch.
Modern games all have to deal with being out dated at release. Use Starfield as an example as a company that rushes to release with out dated tech.
I want 2,000 more ships. So I can fly them all into invisible asteroids. Drop through the floor of them. Can’t get in before the server lag is so high the doors won’t open. And so I can get stuck in the seat of all them because the game bugs and won’t let me turn on the ship or get out of the seat so now I have to log. Who needs working features if you have 2,000 ships!?
They need to stop saying Road to PYRO for years I'm hearing PYRO this PYRO that after all those years whole PYRO system is an old news and that's miracle because it isn't even released so factually hard not to call it a scam citizen if this is the way how so called game is being marketed and managed, whole system being old news before its released - that's magical, indeed...
All I gotta say is that this game had BETTER last longer than it took to make!
@12:45 This argument about the constant reworking of graphics needs to stop being presented as a positive. Every time they iterate on something that is money wasted due to failing to follow a rational schedule. Some of the most absurd examples are that they are on version 5(?) or cloud rendering, and some ships are waiting for their 3rd or fourth rework. Failure to plan resulting in significant rework is not something to brag about and people need to stop defending CIG on this. This is why they are soon $700 million spent with zero games released. Hundreds of millions in effort have been overwritten by indecision and putting the flash cart in front of the substance horse.
Though I do hope that they will just be adding more systems when it's first completed.
With the whole industry going to shit, I wonder why people saying, "the game will never come out" or "the game will never be finished" as a negative at all. These people bought into a scam game like the day before then went to cry to their mom about it. There are also people who championed unfinished game, saying "you don't understand game development, hmph!". Even Dragon's Dogma turns out to be a usual Dogshit PC port, and they had the gall to ask us to pre fking order.
How about, instead paying for an unfinished game masquerading as a finished one, how about play a pre-alpha game wearing the clothes of a pre-alpha game? 45$ and voila, you basically on the Steam Early access. Its a sandbox, go play with the sand, make a sand castle, bury yourself under the sand, poop on the sand. And at the end of the day, after experiencing what SC has to offer, then you can went off about a pre-alpha game feeling like a pre-alpha game.
SC maybe has another year, but once the good UE5 games start being pushed out, SC will not longer be as spectacular as it was.
Mike, what about "misshandling money", when we talk about 3k office chairs, huge museum-like doors and meeting rooms, and an expensive new prestige office building? They are trying to beat rockstar games and microsoft games, instead of handling our money efficiently.
They're ION storm of the 1990s but without the awesome haircut to back it up.
Yes game is definitely a tech demo, not much to do in it.
You must be a really boring person if you can't find something to do in a sandbox
@@ducktape4502 yes you literally can't do anything in this so called sandbox, you'd probably have fun with friends but that's any game. Tell me Mr Smartypants what do you do?
@@yous2244 You need to grab a dictionary and look up the word "Literally."
@@yous2244To be honest, I get bored in every sandbox game I’ve tried and played and they don’t interest me at all but I never really felt like there was nothing to do in SC. Yeah I don’t have tons of hours but doing all the different missions and mining can be entertaining for a while. And that’s without doing any pvp stuff. I would love to find a group to do pirating and ground pvp
@@yous2244You *literally* can do dogfighting, fps combat, mining, salvaging, racing time trials, commodity trading. So saying you literally can't do anything is just a lie you need to tell yourself to feel better.
They should do the tarkov flea market and only have that available in pyro kiosks.
The president and owner taking a salary in a developing product is insane. How many businesses do you think you can start and get a salary before your successful and have a product or service to sell and are turning profit. Right now they don't turn profit or really should not.
There’s not too many privately owned games with 5 studios and over a 1000 staff that is not backed up by a traditional major publisher gaming company either.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@SpaceDad42 as Somone who has started 2 business and works as a contractor I highly beg to differ
"is Pay to Win" "is a gacha game with insane macrotransations"
Star citizen will have working server meshing right about the time every other major developer has working server meshing
Gen12/Vulkan don't "make the game look better" like he implies in the video. It just is a baseline for other technologies to come in. The game will definitely not be the peak of games visually at launch, its already behind.... and unless they go back and retexture everything in the game from scratch every 2 years and remodel everything it will look slightly outdated.
Its definitely sketchy that we gave them money for SC and they spent it on squadron 42.... the money should have been separate imo. And we know they will take a ton of "profit" for themselves from SQ42 and I sincerely doubt much of it will go back into SC.
Gett'em Mike it is still a Tech Demo!
where is this machinima i wana watch it lol
Link the this video is in the description, and his channel is where it is!
1.0 is just going to be the live ser ice soft launch
Yes Terra will be a much safer PVE zone focused on trading and so on. As a major system in lore and capital of UEE the security will be much higher there
My number 1 is, "They shouldn't be working on (insert feature here) they should all be working on (other feature or bug that requires entirely different skills and training)." Please stop.
It may be a tech demo or and an alpha, I won't argue that, but it IS also A GAME! Why? Because I can play it and have fun! That to me is a game.
And I agree people who still think it's a scam need to either do research or therapy.
And lastly, if you don't like the game. DON'T PLAY IT! Don't log in to bitch in global chat for 2 hours about how horrible it is and how we shouldn't be having fun playing it.
#10 The game will never be released: what game is more ambitious? I'll wait. You might as well say a kid will never grow off of eating table scraps. SC is about as awkward as a pimpl-ey 14 y.o. right now, but 5-7ish years it could potentially be eating the gaming industry's lunch in front of it like a Gigachad.
Number 1 - The security post is called Kareah not Korea!
No, it isn’t.
My Hanger will need Hangars (for my undersuits).
its getting chilly here
I don't agree with Mike on a lot of things, but I do agree on the tech demo point. Sc has done a lot of things that were not considered possible, but I feel that we will only get to the game after 4.0. My main reason for disagreeing with Mike is his push for content, because all content we have received has just been proof of concept. Most of the engine has now been built and it was truly ambitious and cool, but from 4.0 we will start seeing the game being built.
I have literally uninstalled the game not because I don't like it, but I think near the end of the year beginning of next is when we will start seeing real content patches and I still want the game to feel new to me.
I really appreciate the evo updates and insight. Between Mike. SuperMac, Kate and A1 I still get my weekly dose of SC.
Too many Combat Ships. Need more utility.
If going by that metric then yes Mike I agree with you 1000% Star Citizen is probably the only game that saw release years ago, is in a bad to mediocre state with no real game play and it has made millions despite all its shortcomings.
The artist making ships and ship concepts have nothing to do with making or drawing concepts for Hacking or other gameplay, no reason to stop making ships.
I dont like the idea of splitting up the player base. Could have totally safe cargo routes and some more risky with higher reward.
I hope it does release in one year just to prove you wrong even though your probably right
I do not think Star Citizen looked above and beyond games in the past. In many ways, Crysis 3 looks better, hell I can make Skyrim look better than many places in Star Citizen. Horizon Forbidden West is in some areas less advanced on the technical side than what we've seen at Citizencon last year, but it looks phenomenal. A big part of that is art direction and asset quality. Star Citizen always had strong art direction and high quality assets. Even in super flat lighting, those can look really good. Add in ray tracing, and now it's catching up to the current big hitters, but don't forget that RT-capable consoles only launched a few years ago, and most games do target multiplatform releases. So you feeling like games have caught up to Star Citizen has more to do with hardware trends than CIG lagging behind. I mean, if we were still supposed to have DX11 for the next 5 years or so, I'd agree that CIG has been sleeping, but Vulkan could be a thing by the time 3.23 releases.
4.0 to 1.0 will be like 2.0 to 3.18
...if we get Pyro till end of the year, working that is... not just included... then we can maybe expect 1-2 systems next year, so maybe 1.0 can come earliest mid 2026
Building a capital ship into the PU is already a year long project. Even with some of these systems ready for SQ42, I can see it’s a much more lengthier project to get it polished enough for the PU.
While others maybe shock that we still don’t have Pyro by the end of the year, I already been saying it for a year now that I don’t expect Pyro until 2025
@@blackmamba___🤷♂️ I think we will see pyro sooner than later, but I think it will be new system same old stuff. Idk about systems afterwards, cause I agree with Mike, its a tech demo the prove they can do something then move on to the next thing. I do also think once they have sorted pyro it will be much quicker to the next systems 🤷♂️ but really who tf knows 🤣
Puro needs more pve than pvp. The world needs to be harsh enough to force players working together
Damn new system leaked. Must be full of cats.
UK tax Office would know what he earns.
I am a Fanboy of star citizen and only mike is sometimes able to open my eyes 😮 live this Video
I just played it now. No joke its still needs at least 7-8 years but the core gameplay is there lol.
Its still incredibly clunky especially on foot. Horrible bugs are still apparent.
BUT.. IF THEY SCALED DOWN the world it has a chance to be released.
Mike say he always felt like this game is a year or 2 away…I always felt it’s always a decade away.
Still is a tech demo and a lot of core gameplay is not in.
Regarding ships, it would be fun if you could purchase a used original Zeus, Avenger, etc..., how many first cars are new?
How many different makes and models of vehicles are there around the world, I'm guessing more than two hundred? ;-)
I have no problem with PVE, PVP or Pirate play, maybe there should be anti-griefer play missions?
I've said this before; if I'm flying my Warden or similar ship, I should expect to be attacked (PVP) and if I'm flying a loaded C2 or similar ship, I should expect to be pirated (hopefully left with enough to still make a profit). ;-D
Mark ii ships guarantee obsolete ships - if they make a good game it will generate more sales than fomo bait and switch.
Be "adding more features" for years to come...
2-3 years...your being optimistic 07 🤣👍
we say game dos not need more ships cause we ant CIG to focus on game play cause is full of bugs. Fix the game then make more ships, ofc we want more ships but we want to fly them not to buy them on the website
(From the original video) "When you got into SC, you knew there would be open world PvP."
Wrong... we would get private servers, modding tools to run them, and a PvP slider for the official servers. Get your facts straight please.