With the same tech we are respawning right now. Death is not death in SC, once they are able to grow replacement bodies. Death in SC is a degradarion of the memory+DNA data.
Star citizen used to have such interesting missions created for it, more variety than any other game ive seen (think hacking/defending stuff, the covalex investigation and the prison barge caterpillar one) and now it seems to be being reduced to shoot this, fetch that missions...
They need asteroid bases controlled by NPCs that have refueling and random rearming but only if you're positive faction or you have to seize the base with a raid, then the faction your party is positive with takes control.
I don't want to meet other players just to kill them, I will, if I must in order to defend myself, but I would rather just meet, and help/support and basically be sociable.
First and main problem in this game is we dont know who our friend and who our enemy. If you see someone, you dont know what expect from him he can shoot you or he can help you. Im playing WOW now and in WOW 2 factions Horde and Alliance so you 100% know whos your enemy, in this game you must always ask your self who in front of you enemy or friendly player.
1:39:00 The problem with CIG's way of doing things is not that they don't iterate, it's that they waste time doing things that anyone who has played MMOs knows will not work. Just because CIG can afford to try things out doesn't mean they should not care to learn from the mistakes and lessons of three decades of games.
CIG should not forget to use patrols as a way to create a safe entry into an area. You can camp, but if the standard patrol that comes around every hour shows up, you will be fighting AI and Players who team up. Like in WOW when you stay near a roaming patrol as alliance. Any horde show up and attack you then they agro the patrol too. I want to know what the numbers of players per server / virtual server can have. A small virtual server for 1 - 100, a medium for 100 - 500, and a large for 500 - 2000? Let us know how many servers will it take to support 10,000 players on a shard or however CIG is dividing up areas and population density.
@Haegemon actions speak louder than words. They have intended a lot of things that haven't come to fruition. This one is arguably the most important foundational piece they've tried. Without it, everything else remains a mess of glitches. When I can feel confident I can make a milk run without my ship hitting invisible obstacles, blow up when I move crates around, or any of a thousand stability related issues, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to feel safe tossing some clutter into the common space of my Mole without worrying it'll result in my ship exploding.
At 57:12..."We may have docking tubes later on so that could be an access point if that is important for your ship".....is this a hint for the Legionaire to come into play?
"Running Man" is a movie from the 80's with Arnold Schwarzenegger, where a bunch of "normal" people, often convicts, fight against trained, hardened Gladiators in a labyrinth like arena, but with a highly futuristic vibe.
Kingdom Come Deliverance had quests that didnt feel repetitive AT ALL! It had a linear flow that tricked you into thinking every single encounter was different. Even the fighting didnt get stale for the entirety of the story.
I don't have a problem with repetitive system facilitated quests, if they are open to players at any time, rather than slapping a cool down timer on the player. Having a factory that players can work in with different stages of production tied to consoles. One person offloads materials at the factory. Another player relocates specific materials to specific machines that convert the materials into components which in turn must be relocated to the assembly line of whatever the factory produces. The system will move the materials automatically over time, but players voluntarily getting involved would speed up the process thereby making the facility's efficiency player driven. The more players working on the different tasks related to a project. Those tasks would each require a certification to be able to take, which would mean running a training program that tells the player what a task involves and requires that they do it. Once certified, the player can do that task anywhere in the game that requires it. Materials relocation is just moving materials from one place in a facility. While repetitive, every relocation of materials is a piece of a larger project. It means something. Meaningful open tasks appeal to me. Anyone can do them, but they have to be done so other things can be done.
The issue with letting/having players do it, is two-fold. One is that if players are suppose to be the gas station, it require that someone is willing to do it, which isn't always the case. The other more pressing issue is that, no one likes to sit around and wait for someone to come with the fuel truck. So, designing a system where it is more the exception than the rule that you would have to rely on other players to continue.
By requiring access keys and items to the "better zones" they just created a reason to camp the lower ones. And there is only one way to limit the farming of access items, namely to limit them so that each player can only have one (or one set of different ones - if there are more). And they should also be tied to the character so that they cannot be passed on to others. BTW.. If the contested zone is so big and the rewards are better the deeper we are in the zone... will we even be able to carry it? Or can we only fit one single thing in our backpack like now? At least one full armor set will be nice.. So if the main prize is for example a ship component, I'm curious how they will handle it. How do people get it out? With a tractor beam? Back through the entire zone? And if they run into another group, will they lose it? And if they do get out, will they still have a ship there or will someone shoot it down? I reckon it will be a reward coupon and not a direct physical reward. Although it would probably be more fun. Actually, it would be "reverse camping" where people would not be prevented from getting in, but getting out with a reward. :D Ah OK, there will be some elevators to get out... so they will be camped. :)
In my opinion, within the confines of Star Citizen’s core functionality, there is a lot of contextual grey areas as to what can be defined as ‘greifing’ vs legitimate PvP but I feel there are some key points and principles that most can agree upon: 1. The use of none combat objects outside of a combat environment to cause deliberate malicious harm to a none combatant is greifing (i.e. using a cargo box as a glorified hammer inside a safe area). 2. Pad ramming. 3. The camping of a player spawn zone where alternative relocation is not possible (not currently an issue but pyro play test had an example of this). Camping a ship’s med bed is not greifing as the player is only confined until either the ship no longer exists or they manage to access the terminal to change location.
My hope for contestedzones is that it captures at least some of the magic of warhammer age of reckoning RVR play. The gangs fighting for the territory, people tied to the factions joining to help push for their team and complete objectives/hold ground.
The first like, half, was so rough to watch, but I'm glad I stuck it out. Hearing them say they are restricting item availability and making some items only available outside of shops, ESPECIALLY the military-grade ship components....absolutely worth it. Finally, we have a game.
It would be cool if they made asteroid bases of varying sizes that could be classified by small to large and had 2 intrinisic materials in them, an abundant low profit material and a high value scarce material that could be discovered Via scanning. The two outposts you could create would be a permanent or temporary outpost. A permanent outpost would allow you to extract an abundant material from the asteroid that is relatively low profit but gives you an income for working it and the ability to do that rewards you for claiming, discovering ,and defending it. The permanent base could operate on a core that has to be fed materials to stabilize it and if you fail to stabilize it then it can go critical and the base could destruct, on the PvP side of things make it to where the bases core could be detonated via hacking chip which initiates a self destruct sequence. The whole point of this offensive strategy would allow players of enemy orgs to remove critical spawning locations for players if they use it as a FOB. A temporary outpost would allow you to extract the most valuable resources but requires you to extract as much as possible before a structural failure like the asteroid going critical and exploding maybe depending on the size of an asteroid determines how long you have id say 30mins to 2 hours. This would add a sense of urgency and if you bottle necked the way the mining machines spat out the more people you have the more profit you could gain but if people get too greedy when the asteroid explodes it despawns the asteroid kills the player and destroys any boxes in the blast radius. With scanning perhaps depending on the level of activity at a given outpost could create spikes in EMs that could be discovered by players exploring or scouting and from there players could choose to engage in piracy or assist in the operation to get higher profit margins or take over the operation This type of design would promote exploration, discovery, cargo, mining, piracy and PvP where its exclusively player operated no friction with PvE entities just you versus a clock and the threat of others finding you and anytime a base goes critical you get an explosion out of it.
I 57th that Running Man is awesome. Not sure if it will hit in the latter 30's as it did if you watched as a teen. But man, it was all kinds of awesome. Up there with Mad Max, Blade Runner, Total Recall, Judge Dredd, and the like.
Jared missed the point about disclaimers entirely the reason it’s a joke is because of the ridiculous expectations cig set on them selves. We are not miss understanding when they literally say player owned homesteads in 3.24 .. they put it in a trailer and yet Jared needs to tell us to stop misunderstanding all the time. Cig need to learn how to take a joke and allow people to vent because it’s year 12, if they can’t own there own bullshit and laugh, they will be trolled to actual hell.
you did misunderstand, personalized hangers are the player owned homesteads akin to them anyways, followed by asteroid bases in 4.0, anyone with any lick of intelligence already knew basebuilding was years off
@@yulfine1688 it literally said in white writing on the screen “player owned homesteads in 3.24” they may have meant something else but this is what I’m talking about, they are lucky they haven’t been reported to trading standards. They can’t complain at people misunderstanding what’s coming when they show dramatised videos of stuff that maybe in one day and then attack the consumer when they assume somethings coming when it’s not. I’m not going to sit listing hundreds of examples, we all know cig is guilt as fukc for it. Every single marketing video.
@@Eagle6Airsoft I already explained it the same way they have on multiple other videos where they said like player homestead or first iteration etc. They showed off some demo again sure with the name.
@@yulfine1688 what ever, I know what I saw. I’m not trawling countless yapping videos to prove 1 point when I can throw a stone at a trillion of cigs bullshite.
@@Eagle6Airsoft If you want you can link the video where that was said and shown off, or just use basic common sense.. They showed off base building during citizencon as well last year, and they never said much else. No date or anything just a demo to show progress has been made and its being worked on. Since then all we have seen is basically that demo or some other snipbits to let us know they're working on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to have a demo q3 of next year for a couple trial runs and then it'd probably be another 2-3 years before we see the first implementation.
you forget hwo large pyro is, much larger than Stanton and the refuel stations aren't near the edges, refuel ships will largely be needed for fleets especially.,
Contested zones 28 months out. Asteroid bases that are useful other than just another bunker location 46 months at tier zero. So not an issue or something I would bother with.
Did i just hear. astro stations refill small and medium ships but not large and capital ships. so fuel ships will be needed to refill the big ships unless they leave.
I feel like Each account should have only the planet/moon or LaGrange of a few places in the QT beacon database, give us a kiosk for buying location QT beacon or you can unlock it if you go there either by flying there directly or QT to a party member already there, or going as part of a mission. have Public safe ones already in your databank, unlawful ones in shady location kiosks, lawful security ones unlocked behind BH rep locked kiosks. need a hardcore solo cheap version to acquire it, a throw your money at problems way to get it, and get carried by a friend.
Personally id rather get a medal than a component. Ill spend a whole afternoon to make my ship have 10% more fuel only to lose it when i die in 30 minutes
These asteroid bases need to be an example of what is potentially craftable for bases, etc. To add meaningful gameplay, future blue prints, or special components, etc. need to be found/farmed at these locations. Add nefarious gameloop NPC's at some to provide missions for reds. To add to what SaltE said, we need to build an asteroid base where we can offer refueling, repair, markets, refining, and be our own faction. We don't have enough conversations around what will be provided to Org gameplay. This is a very key issue that we know so little about. How will CIG facilitate capitol ship control where orgs literally live on these ships, or travel in a flotilla? So many questions.
CiG builds everything around NPCs because players in MMOs generally aren't trustworthy to keep a Lore based game. A player can't relie on gas stations owned by player orgs, specially orgs made by pirates or grieffers, or ribal orgs. As Jared said, they have to provide alternatives so any player can't find himself in a dead end.
First off, I didn't say that there shouldn't be NPC options for basic needs. What I am saying is that players should be able to engage in providing services as comprehensive as NPC's and, via base building, be able to facilitate it wherever/however they see fit. If an org builds an outpost station that provides various services and it's successful, then other orgs might want to take it over. If the owners fail to upkeep the successful station then someone else will step in.
@8:20 ... repetative missions: let's take WoW for instance: grinding rep for a faction, to be able to buy some stuff (armour / crafting recipes / crafting materials / mounts) required "daily" quests there were - yes, you gussed it - repetative. Advancing through the reputation meter usually opened up 2-3 new quests to be able to grind more daily. All in all, it usually required about 1.5-2 months of daily grinding. Need to add, that daily quests were usually quite simple.
unless they gridlock or limit the players somehow it doesnt really matter how many entrances they add to these areas enough players can block all entrances and farm loot. it happens in survival games all the time you got people log off in bunkers or lock it down for hours until they are done with it. Likely if these places are popular it will be a slug match between 2 large groups over control.
logging off won't do anything for you here.. that's not how that works, you can bed log or quit and that quitting will put you in the normal station not where you were at, secondly yes orgs will always be able to control things, that's just reality there is no real way to deter that without ruining things for orgs.
@@yulfine1688 there are ways to balance a numbers game with players but it would take away from the open nature sandbox of the game. with time we will see what impact military and stealth components being locked in there have. If we dont get a secondary market for them at some point i could see orgs monopolizing them and having a competitive edge verses every other player. im just not the biggest fan of being stuck in a weakened state if those parts become a vital part of combat and i dont have the number to get them. could force us to pick sides in a mega org i suppose tho.
I think Saltemike is right when he says "have they fixed refueling?" is not a excuse but it is highly possible that it is the why and they can not fix refueling and thus plans had to change...
The dev's have had the sandbox all along and are having the fun, not npc's, certainly not us. Granted the dev's are still throwing sand at each other and working on their own "ideas" and tools... but it is what it is.
Yup well said mate, i do agree, too much negativity and not enough good will to helping progression. I want CIG to succeed, its a beautiful game that needs positive reenforcement, not pointless takedowns. We all know its problems that need to be overcome. I want to to see SC become the dream and play this for years to come
Some of these shows feel like the devs are put in the stocks for everybody to throw rotten cabbages at. Missions will be easy to make when we have proper crafting, farming, AI etc. “This guy is a spy. Follow him to A, and find out who B is.”
Man it would be cool if you had a ship like a Starfarer that was treated like DoorDash.. The Starfarer pilot could set their radius and start receiving refuel requests from players in that radius.. Once accepted, it gives the player an ETA of arrival. Imagine that player requesting service is just setting up a trap to kill the Starfarer.. The Starfarer could then give that player a 1 star review with a comment like *requested service, individual ambushed me upon arrival (which then alerts future players that accepting a beacon for help from that player might not be wise)..
What if one of those asteroid bases is the gas station he doesn’t work unless someone’s completed the contested zone they’ve claimed it. They run it. It’s player done. It doesn’t work unless someone’s progress to it. That would still fit within the model of what Jared just said and what salty Mike said. So yeah maybe NPC’s move in. They set up the fueling point gray. Another group comes in a tax. It claims it takes it over NPC is all flea during the fighting. It takes time for it to reset and become the gas station again. I don’t know if this is an idea they’re having, but it would still fit within the bill of a crafted experience a contested zone player driven solution.
would be nice to have like a pvp flag "on/off" so that way you dont have to change the game and ppls that dont want to have conflict can be part of the "landscape" and they cant interact with u physically ., and to change it back to on you would need to log out and back in and apply the flag upon loading
when flying my gladius in pyro i want to not be able to get to some places at all, they need to fix refueling and let us be the gas station, my org mate can set up shop to sell all his weappons there too.
The problem is that the developers simply don't play the game. They are so far away from the game reality in the PU. They imagine something in theory that is completely different in reality. What fits abolsut are the memes design vs. user experience.
going to need a lot of dogs to push people out of the map if its just npcs people will find a way to farm them. every game i have seen use npcs as a form of wall to push out players they get turned into a farm table.
Unpopular opinion, but I don't think they should show how much fuel you're going to use when you plot a quantum jump course. Google doesn't tell me how much I'm going to use when I go somewhere far away using GPS, also if that causes more people to run out of fuel that gives people who want to run fuel gameplay, and forces players to plan their routes better. Especially in a larger system such as pyro.
"SaltEMike Reacts to" He reacts to nothing?! He has finally achieved the ultimate reacter's skill, that nobody else can pull off. Infinite reactions incoming.
ou cool, they will always be there. no need for a mission you can just go and farm if you want to. let missions become more like Runescape quests and i'd be happy with that
As much as the rare and cool components will be and how much it will add to the game I also think it is too early to add in. Mostly because they are still really struggling to balance ship performance and combat and this will just add a whole other level of complexity which they honestly haven't demonstrated they are capable of dealing with yet.
@@yulfine1688 the complexity is more variables the ship team need to balance around. It's not just the "stock" Loadout but they will also be balancing ships depending on different components. That is the real reason why all components are flat now, it makes their job so much easier when it's really just the core ship stats they have to tweek
If components will be available for loot. Then insurance for components on our ships needs to stop. As if your ship destroyed you will lose that component. And have to go loot more, or buy them from another players that farm all the locations. Reclaim ship have to come in with default components.
Griefing is using unintended game mechanics to interrupt other peoples gameplay. Like yes, blocking a door when you're in a safezone or something like that. PVP is not griefing.
ah the zones have keycards and puzzles yip its bunkers. if they dont have a way to force players out tho people will just find the exit and dump loot out the back door until they cant anymore. Forcing people to rotate bunkers to unlock the good stuff tho could be decent.
In game rewards? I did all 5 Phases of Overdrive Imitative, Got the MK 2 F7A but never got the "armor" despite multiple attempts and "Completions". There is even a ticket for in the Issue Counsel and there is no official response to the glitched out / Lagged out Mess that was XENOTHREAT attack event (2024 ver) in spectrum or any other community forum. WTF CIG?
not sure how to feel about military and stealth parts only being found in pvp zones. better hope they dont lock every ship to specific parts or many a ship will not be flying.
Ik Mike's mad about the starfarer but realistically having huge swathes of the game space be dependent on players having and flying starfarers was always a non-starter, even without the various issues of defending those starfarers from pirates, etc. It was a nice idea but it wasn't going to survive contact with reality. They are figuring it out; they're figuring out that they actually need to deal with the reality of building a game rather than the fantasy of players organically creating a perfectly balanced and operational ecosystem. It sucks for the people who wanna do the starfarer fantasy (assuming they don't ever make a niche for that) but there just aren't enough of those people to sustain the game. "People who bought the worst $300 ship in the game" can't be a load-bearing pillar of the game's essential infrastructure.
its a pvp zone but its not a call of duty map. survival game bunkers ect tend to be a lot more one dimensional compared to a call of duty match where people are forced into close fights with even numbers.
@@vorpalrobot you miss the point, its not some god saving tech that is holding them back, its this fear of making something new and receive negative and/or constructive reviews. Trust me, with the "we will make it with your feedback" doesnt work, They are the ones making the game they should have a vision and they dont have and are afraid of making anything the community doesnt like.
I think the issue is that the whole industry has such low standards these days, that most of the people working in it forgot what makes a good game. They just recycle over and over.
seems with fueling they mentioned 5 stations potentially, in videos we see some landing zones to get fuel but in a hostile pvp area these are all locations that give your position away. There is likely still a reason to have personal refueling capabilities even if they are trying to make things easier for people.
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"I let them cook for 13 years... it's BURNT" Is fucking T-shirt material lol
As soon as base building was mentioned in the last Citcon I knew it would be years away.
Try decades away lol
I'm still having trouble imagining how "death of a spaceman" and the "meatgrinder" will coexist ! And bugs as well.
With the same tech we are respawning right now. Death is not death in SC, once they are able to grow replacement bodies. Death in SC is a degradarion of the memory+DNA data.
Star citizen used to have such interesting missions created for it, more variety than any other game ive seen (think hacking/defending stuff, the covalex investigation and the prison barge caterpillar one) and now it seems to be being reduced to shoot this, fetch that missions...
They need asteroid bases controlled by NPCs that have refueling and random rearming but only if you're positive faction or you have to seize the base with a raid, then the faction your party is positive with takes control.
>They need
They don't need it obviously. Otherwise they would said that they need it. But they didn't.
Need is a strong word. You want this. They don’t need to add it.
I don't want to meet other players just to kill them, I will, if I must in order to defend myself, but I would rather just meet, and help/support and basically be sociable.
I want to be working for a faction and scan another player I find, and see his reputation to know whether to trust him.
I want it also. we need as vorpalrobot mentioned fps scanning to see the players rep. we really really need a IFF system.
Same
First and main problem in this game is we dont know who our friend and who our enemy. If you see someone, you dont know what expect from him he can shoot you or he can help you. Im playing WOW now and in WOW 2 factions Horde and Alliance so you 100% know whos your enemy, in this game you must always ask your self who in front of you enemy or friendly player.
So you want to be a victim. Got it.
1:39:00 The problem with CIG's way of doing things is not that they don't iterate, it's that they waste time doing things that anyone who has played MMOs knows will not work. Just because CIG can afford to try things out doesn't mean they should not care to learn from the mistakes and lessons of three decades of games.
CIG should not forget to use patrols as a way to create a safe entry into an area. You can camp, but if the standard patrol that comes around every hour shows up, you will be fighting AI and Players who team up. Like in WOW when you stay near a roaming patrol as alliance. Any horde show up and attack you then they agro the patrol too.
I want to know what the numbers of players per server / virtual server can have. A small virtual server for 1 - 100, a medium for 100 - 500, and a large for 500 - 2000? Let us know how many servers will it take to support 10,000 players on a shard or however CIG is dividing up areas and population density.
The servers can barely load 100 people at most, calm down. Your great grandchildren will see those servers by that time and age
Their intent is to connect all players together while using different servers to load the game.
@Haegemon actions speak louder than words. They have intended a lot of things that haven't come to fruition. This one is arguably the most important foundational piece they've tried. Without it, everything else remains a mess of glitches.
When I can feel confident I can make a milk run without my ship hitting invisible obstacles, blow up when I move crates around, or any of a thousand stability related issues, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to feel safe tossing some clutter into the common space of my Mole without worrying it'll result in my ship exploding.
At 57:12..."We may have docking tubes later on so that could be an access point if that is important for your ship".....is this a hint for the Legionaire to come into play?
That "I wanna be him..." got me. lmao. So true.
"Running Man" is a movie from the 80's with Arnold Schwarzenegger, where a bunch of "normal" people, often convicts, fight against trained, hardened Gladiators in a labyrinth like arena, but with a highly futuristic vibe.
Awesome live they had, good stuff!
Kingdom Come Deliverance had quests that didnt feel repetitive AT ALL! It had a linear flow that tricked you into thinking every single encounter was different. Even the fighting didnt get stale for the entirety of the story.
I don't have a problem with repetitive system facilitated quests, if they are open to players at any time, rather than slapping a cool down timer on the player. Having a factory that players can work in with different stages of production tied to consoles. One person offloads materials at the factory. Another player relocates specific materials to specific machines that convert the materials into components which in turn must be relocated to the assembly line of whatever the factory produces. The system will move the materials automatically over time, but players voluntarily getting involved would speed up the process thereby making the facility's efficiency player driven. The more players working on the different tasks related to a project. Those tasks would each require a certification to be able to take, which would mean running a training program that tells the player what a task involves and requires that they do it. Once certified, the player can do that task anywhere in the game that requires it. Materials relocation is just moving materials from one place in a facility. While repetitive, every relocation of materials is a piece of a larger project. It means something.
Meaningful open tasks appeal to me. Anyone can do them, but they have to be done so other things can be done.
The issue with letting/having players do it, is two-fold. One is that if players are suppose to be the gas station, it require that someone is willing to do it, which isn't always the case. The other more pressing issue is that, no one likes to sit around and wait for someone to come with the fuel truck. So, designing a system where it is more the exception than the rule that you would have to rely on other players to continue.
Best way imo would just be having stations buy fuel. And have supply and demand set the price of fuel from stations.
@@BoatLoadsofDope Exactly. I think that the Starfarer would have much more success working as a fuel delivery truck than an airborne refueler.
this is the best react for that SCL i´ve seen an i´ve seen some of them. love it. thank you!
By requiring access keys and items to the "better zones" they just created a reason to camp the lower ones.
And there is only one way to limit the farming of access items, namely to limit them so that each player can only have one (or one set of different ones - if there are more).
And they should also be tied to the character so that they cannot be passed on to others.
BTW.. If the contested zone is so big and the rewards are better the deeper we are in the zone... will we even be able to carry it? Or can we only fit one single thing in our backpack like now? At least one full armor set will be nice..
So if the main prize is for example a ship component, I'm curious how they will handle it. How do people get it out? With a tractor beam? Back through the entire zone? And if they run into another group, will they lose it? And if they do get out, will they still have a ship there or will someone shoot it down? I reckon it will be a reward coupon and not a direct physical reward.
Although it would probably be more fun.
Actually, it would be "reverse camping" where people would not be prevented from getting in, but getting out with a reward. :D
Ah OK, there will be some elevators to get out... so they will be camped. :)
Of course they'll fuck it up somehow. It's CIG we talking about. It's what they do best.
Repetitive is okay. I think a mission being engaging is what matters.
Me: "This title sucks."
Mike: "Alright, I've got no idea what's going on here."
Me: "Fair enough."
I can see your concern about the amount of contested zones but they will most likely only be in the lawless systems.
In my opinion, within the confines of Star Citizen’s core functionality, there is a lot of contextual grey areas as to what can be defined as ‘greifing’ vs legitimate PvP but I feel there are some key points and principles that most can agree upon: 1. The use of none combat objects outside of a combat environment to cause deliberate malicious harm to a none combatant is greifing (i.e. using a cargo box as a glorified hammer inside a safe area).
2. Pad ramming.
3. The camping of a player spawn zone where alternative relocation is not possible (not currently an issue but pyro play test had an example of this). Camping a ship’s med bed is not greifing as the player is only confined until either the ship no longer exists or they manage to access the terminal to change location.
The best contested zone will be on the open where camping is a must, like in battlefield games.
Griefing is a sucker punch, PVP is mutual combat. When someone gets sucker punched and knocked out you don't call that a fight.
So are they saying they’re going to upgrade all Starfarers to asteroid bases? Excellent 👌
Happy Mike!
My hope for contestedzones is that it captures at least some of the magic of warhammer age of reckoning RVR play.
The gangs fighting for the territory, people tied to the factions joining to help push for their team and complete objectives/hold ground.
The first like, half, was so rough to watch, but I'm glad I stuck it out. Hearing them say they are restricting item availability and making some items only available outside of shops, ESPECIALLY the military-grade ship components....absolutely worth it.
Finally, we have a game.
Seems like a great group of guys! I hope they deliver some awesome shit
It would be cool if they made asteroid bases of varying sizes that could be classified by small to large and had 2 intrinisic materials in them, an abundant low profit material and a high value scarce material that could be discovered
Via scanning.
The two outposts you could create would be a permanent or temporary outpost. A permanent outpost would allow you to extract an abundant material from the asteroid that is relatively low profit but gives you an income for working it and the ability to do that rewards you for claiming, discovering ,and defending it. The permanent base could operate on a core that has to be fed materials to stabilize it and if you fail to stabilize it then it can go critical and the base could destruct, on the PvP side of things make it to where the bases core could be detonated via hacking chip which initiates a self destruct sequence. The whole point of this offensive strategy would allow players of enemy orgs to remove critical spawning locations for players if they use it as a FOB.
A temporary outpost would allow you to extract the most valuable resources but requires you to extract as much as possible before a structural failure like the asteroid going critical and exploding maybe depending on the size of an asteroid determines how long you have id say 30mins to 2 hours. This would add a sense of urgency and if you bottle necked the way the mining machines spat out the more people you have the more profit you could gain but if people get too greedy when the asteroid explodes it despawns the asteroid kills the player and destroys any boxes in the blast radius.
With scanning perhaps depending on the level of activity at a given outpost could create spikes in EMs that could be discovered by players exploring or scouting and from there players could choose to engage in piracy or assist in the operation to get higher profit margins or take over the operation
This type of design would promote exploration, discovery, cargo, mining, piracy and PvP where its exclusively player operated no friction with PvE entities just you versus a clock and the threat of others finding you and anytime a base goes critical you get an explosion out of it.
RuneScape quest is the best way , CIG should learn from it
I 57th that Running Man is awesome. Not sure if it will hit in the latter 30's as it did if you watched as a teen. But man, it was all kinds of awesome. Up there with Mad Max, Blade Runner, Total Recall, Judge Dredd, and the like.
I don't do combat much, but I've ran up and punched a guard out in a bunker. It was accidental, but it did happen.
@saltemikereacts keep in mind that server meshing is supposed to be coming in the 4.0 cycle.
Jared missed the point about disclaimers entirely the reason it’s a joke is because of the ridiculous expectations cig set on them selves.
We are not miss understanding when they literally say player owned homesteads in 3.24 .. they put it in a trailer and yet Jared needs to tell us to stop misunderstanding all the time.
Cig need to learn how to take a joke and allow people to vent because it’s year 12, if they can’t own there own bullshit and laugh, they will be trolled to actual hell.
you did misunderstand, personalized hangers are the player owned homesteads akin to them anyways, followed by asteroid bases in 4.0, anyone with any lick of intelligence already knew basebuilding was years off
@@yulfine1688 it literally said in white writing on the screen “player owned homesteads in 3.24” they may have meant something else but this is what I’m talking about, they are lucky they haven’t been reported to trading standards. They can’t complain at people misunderstanding what’s coming when they show dramatised videos of stuff that maybe in one day and then attack the consumer when they assume somethings coming when it’s not. I’m not going to sit listing hundreds of examples, we all know cig is guilt as fukc for it. Every single marketing video.
@@Eagle6Airsoft I already explained it the same way they have on multiple other videos where they said like player homestead or first iteration etc.
They showed off some demo again sure with the name.
@@yulfine1688 what ever, I know what I saw. I’m not trawling countless yapping videos to prove 1 point when I can throw a stone at a trillion of cigs bullshite.
@@Eagle6Airsoft If you want you can link the video where that was said and shown off, or just use basic common sense..
They showed off base building during citizencon as well last year, and they never said much else. No date or anything just a demo to show progress has been made and its being worked on.
Since then all we have seen is basically that demo or some other snipbits to let us know they're working on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they want to have a demo q3 of next year for a couple trial runs and then it'd probably be another 2-3 years before we see the first implementation.
I'm glad to see him react to
did he just hint at a boss fight inside the zones. or he is saying they talked about it.
i wonder what he reacts to
I'm waiting for the comments to let me know so I can be mad about something instead of watching the video for myself
Star Citizen Live: Q&A Contested Zones and Asteroid Bases
Sensory input
The word “progression” even though it means nothing here lol
you forget hwo large pyro is, much larger than Stanton and the refuel stations aren't near the edges, refuel ships will largely be needed for fleets especially.,
Contested zones 28 months out. Asteroid bases that are useful other than just another bunker location 46 months at tier zero.
So not an issue or something I would bother with.
Did i just hear. astro stations refill small and medium ships but not large and capital ships. so fuel ships will be needed to refill the big ships unless they leave.
EXACTLY mike ! i also dont mind about pvp just not like you said when mining, and cargo missions
I feel like Each account should have only the planet/moon or LaGrange of a few places in the QT beacon database, give us a kiosk for buying location QT beacon or you can unlock it if you go there either by flying there directly or QT to a party member already there, or going as part of a mission. have Public safe ones already in your databank, unlawful ones in shady location kiosks, lawful security ones unlocked behind BH rep locked kiosks. need a hardcore solo cheap version to acquire it, a throw your money at problems way to get it, and get carried by a friend.
What happens when we bring 1000 players to 1 asteroid base and hard camp it?
Level desing cannot be limited to the current number of players, devs have to create the levels based on the scope of the game they want to build.
Personally id rather get a medal than a component. Ill spend a whole afternoon to make my ship have 10% more fuel only to lose it when i die in 30 minutes
Bolt on components. That's one way to do it.
well is that now how it is rn? you can just swap them with a tractor beam
1:39:00 i think thats to say in the long term (at least 1.0) since the classic way to develop games has yet to deliver such a project (if it succeeds)
If you have the CCs on, when Mike speaks over the Dev, that shit just freaks out and stops working XD
These asteroid bases need to be an example of what is potentially craftable for bases, etc.
To add meaningful gameplay, future blue prints, or special components, etc. need to be found/farmed at these locations. Add nefarious gameloop NPC's at some to provide missions for reds.
To add to what SaltE said, we need to build an asteroid base where we can offer refueling, repair, markets, refining, and be our own faction.
We don't have enough conversations around what will be provided to Org gameplay. This is a very key issue that we know so little about. How will CIG facilitate capitol ship control where orgs literally live on these ships, or travel in a flotilla? So many questions.
CiG builds everything around NPCs because players in MMOs generally aren't trustworthy to keep a Lore based game. A player can't relie on gas stations owned by player orgs, specially orgs made by pirates or grieffers, or ribal orgs. As Jared said, they have to provide alternatives so any player can't find himself in a dead end.
First off, I didn't say that there shouldn't be NPC options for basic needs. What I am saying is that players should be able to engage in providing services as comprehensive as NPC's and, via base building, be able to facilitate it wherever/however they see fit.
If an org builds an outpost station that provides various services and it's successful, then other orgs might want to take it over. If the owners fail to upkeep the successful station then someone else will step in.
@8:20 ... repetative missions: let's take WoW for instance: grinding rep for a faction, to be able to buy some stuff (armour / crafting recipes / crafting materials / mounts) required "daily" quests there were - yes, you gussed it - repetative. Advancing through the reputation meter usually opened up 2-3 new quests to be able to grind more daily. All in all, it usually required about 1.5-2 months of daily grinding. Need to add, that daily quests were usually quite simple.
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I don't mind the two hour+ reactions :)
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unless they gridlock or limit the players somehow it doesnt really matter how many entrances they add to these areas enough players can block all entrances and farm loot. it happens in survival games all the time you got people log off in bunkers or lock it down for hours until they are done with it. Likely if these places are popular it will be a slug match between 2 large groups over control.
logging off won't do anything for you here.. that's not how that works, you can bed log or quit and that quitting will put you in the normal station not where you were at, secondly yes orgs will always be able to control things, that's just reality there is no real way to deter that without ruining things for orgs.
@@yulfine1688 there are ways to balance a numbers game with players but it would take away from the open nature sandbox of the game.
with time we will see what impact military and stealth components being locked in there have. If we dont get a secondary market for them at some point i could see orgs monopolizing them and having a competitive edge verses every other player.
im just not the biggest fan of being stuck in a weakened state if those parts become a vital part of combat and i dont have the number to get them.
could force us to pick sides in a mega org i suppose tho.
i do agree about the kopions being missplaced on asteroid bases , no atmosphere , wheres the food and water thats not frozen ?
I'm dying right now, too funny 1:30:10
I think Saltemike is right when he says "have they fixed refueling?" is not a excuse but it is highly possible that it is the why and they can not fix refueling and thus plans had to change...
Someone needs to clip 1:19:00 "I want to be happy" and turn that into a Twitch point redeem PLEASE
The dev's have had the sandbox all along and are having the fun, not npc's, certainly not us. Granted the dev's are still throwing sand at each other and working on their own "ideas" and tools... but it is what it is.
Yup well said mate, i do agree, too much negativity and not enough good will to helping progression.
I want CIG to succeed, its a beautiful game that needs positive reenforcement, not pointless takedowns.
We all know its problems that need to be overcome.
I want to to see SC become the dream and play this for years to come
Some of these shows feel like the devs are put in the stocks for everybody to throw rotten cabbages at. Missions will be easy to make when we have proper crafting, farming, AI etc.
“This guy is a spy. Follow him to A, and find out who B is.”
One can only hope that the more areas to refuel is temporary till they actually get around yo fixing ship to ship refueling
I want to be happy, says the guy called SaltEMike. Sure, buddy, sure.
Man it would be cool if you had a ship like a Starfarer that was treated like DoorDash.. The Starfarer pilot could set their radius and start receiving refuel requests from players in that radius.. Once accepted, it gives the player an ETA of arrival. Imagine that player requesting service is just setting up a trap to kill the Starfarer.. The Starfarer could then give that player a 1 star review with a comment like *requested service, individual ambushed me upon arrival (which then alerts future players that accepting a beacon for help from that player might not be wise)..
Jared must have had a pretty awesome life, when the worst thing that ever happened to him was that someone misunderstood a thing he said.
What if one of those asteroid bases is the gas station he doesn’t work unless someone’s completed the contested zone they’ve claimed it. They run it. It’s player done. It doesn’t work unless someone’s progress to it. That would still fit within the model of what Jared just said and what salty Mike said. So yeah maybe NPC’s move in. They set up the fueling point gray. Another group comes in a tax. It claims it takes it over NPC is all flea during the fighting. It takes time for it to reset and become the gas station again.
I don’t know if this is an idea they’re having, but it would still fit within the bill of a crafted experience a contested zone player driven solution.
ghost arena sounds like the gulag to me. 1 v 1 battle to the death.
4:16 dunno why but I figured German culture would be pretty hierarchal.
would be nice to have like a pvp flag "on/off" so that way you dont have to change the game and ppls that dont want to have conflict can be part of the "landscape" and they cant interact with u physically ., and to change it back to on you would need to log out and back in and apply the flag upon loading
yeah that's never happening mate..
when flying my gladius in pyro i want to not be able to get to some places at all, they need to fix refueling and let us be the gas station, my org mate can set up shop to sell all his weappons there too.
The problem is that the developers simply don't play the game. They are so far away from the game reality in the PU. They imagine something in theory that is completely different in reality. What fits abolsut are the memes design vs. user experience.
going to need a lot of dogs to push people out of the map if its just npcs people will find a way to farm them. every game i have seen use npcs as a form of wall to push out players they get turned into a farm table.
They have got to include a player market for this to really work right? People are going to want to sell some of the stuff they recover.
your reward is keys to a brand new car. cyclone racer.
One way to avoid griefing is you make the spot unbearable so the player can't stay for long time. gas leak, radiation, no oxygen etc
Unpopular opinion, but I don't think they should show how much fuel you're going to use when you plot a quantum jump course.
Google doesn't tell me how much I'm going to use when I go somewhere far away using GPS, also if that causes more people to run out of fuel that gives people who want to run fuel gameplay, and forces players to plan their routes better. Especially in a larger system such as pyro.
6:50 valheim?
"SaltEMike Reacts to"
He reacts to nothing?! He has finally achieved the ultimate reacter's skill, that nobody else can pull off. Infinite reactions incoming.
ou cool, they will always be there. no need for a mission you can just go and farm if you want to. let missions become more like Runescape quests and i'd be happy with that
If a person has to ask what "Suffering" means, first define the context.
As much as the rare and cool components will be and how much it will add to the game I also think it is too early to add in.
Mostly because they are still really struggling to balance ship performance and combat and this will just add a whole other level of complexity which they honestly haven't demonstrated they are capable of dealing with yet.
what complexity is this going to add for ships?
@@yulfine1688 the complexity is more variables the ship team need to balance around.
It's not just the "stock" Loadout but they will also be balancing ships depending on different components.
That is the real reason why all components are flat now, it makes their job so much easier when it's really just the core ship stats they have to tweek
If components will be available for loot. Then insurance for components on our ships needs to stop. As if your ship destroyed you will lose that component. And have to go loot more, or buy them from another players that farm all the locations. Reclaim ship have to come in with default components.
insurance isn't even in the game currently..
Griefing is using unintended game mechanics to interrupt other peoples gameplay. Like yes, blocking a door when you're in a safezone or something like that. PVP is not griefing.
Lol mike was raging at something they explained in the same exact sentence he paused in the middle of like 8 times this episode
Do one Contested Zone to find a key to unlock another Contested Zone?? Hmm does that imply levelling? or a ZONE within a Contested Zone?
ah the zones have keycards and puzzles yip its bunkers. if they dont have a way to force players out tho people will just find the exit and dump loot out the back door until they cant anymore. Forcing people to rotate bunkers to unlock the good stuff tho could be decent.
Anyone has a clue if it is possible to get a golden ticket somehow atm?
find someone who has extras, I think I may even still have a couple laying around
In game rewards? I did all 5 Phases of Overdrive Imitative, Got the MK 2 F7A but never got the "armor" despite multiple attempts and "Completions". There is even a ticket for in the Issue Counsel and there is no official response to the glitched out / Lagged out Mess that was XENOTHREAT attack event (2024 ver) in spectrum or any other community forum. WTF CIG?
not sure how to feel about military and stealth parts only being found in pvp zones. better hope they dont lock every ship to specific parts or many a ship will not be flying.
Ik Mike's mad about the starfarer but realistically having huge swathes of the game space be dependent on players having and flying starfarers was always a non-starter, even without the various issues of defending those starfarers from pirates, etc. It was a nice idea but it wasn't going to survive contact with reality. They are figuring it out; they're figuring out that they actually need to deal with the reality of building a game rather than the fantasy of players organically creating a perfectly balanced and operational ecosystem. It sucks for the people who wanna do the starfarer fantasy (assuming they don't ever make a niche for that) but there just aren't enough of those people to sustain the game. "People who bought the worst $300 ship in the game" can't be a load-bearing pillar of the game's essential infrastructure.
its a pvp zone but its not a call of duty map. survival game bunkers ect tend to be a lot more one dimensional compared to a call of duty match where people are forced into close fights with even numbers.
Sometimes I think that this game is a solid 5 years away of being a thing.
1.44 hrs nice
is it me or the devs are afraid of something actually new, and no, its not "tech", arm devs.
Name something you think they could do more easily without tech...
@@vorpalrobot you miss the point, its not some god saving tech that is holding them back, its this fear of making something new and receive negative and/or constructive reviews. Trust me, with the "we will make it with your feedback" doesnt work, They are the ones making the game they should have a vision and they dont have and are afraid of making anything the community doesnt like.
I think the issue is that the whole industry has such low standards these days, that most of the people working in it forgot what makes a good game. They just recycle over and over.
@@toyahinata I generally agree, the studio seems to have larger scale visions but not much vision on the smaller details.
there are plans for the future...
seems with fueling they mentioned 5 stations potentially, in videos we see some landing zones to get fuel but in a hostile pvp area these are all locations that give your position away. There is likely still a reason to have personal refueling capabilities even if they are trying to make things easier for people.
Griefing is preventing another player from playing the game. Camping can absolutely be griefing, but it's not necessarily.
people gonna be mad when their pet doggo dies in their vented ships.