Cuban has been outspoken in the past about how franchise relocation is a bad thing for sports. In fact, I always thought that Cuban was too outspoken for MLB. For that reason alone, I hope it happens.
This is very interesting for me. I'm a So Cal guy, I actually worked for the Angels for three years. (Two with Gene Autry, one with Disney) I think it is about time. Moreno's ownership has not gone well. Getting a new voice and someone who wants to improve the team and maybe relocate them in So Cal might be the way to go.
@@AnthonySpecialeJr I didn’t know that. Currently we have the Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins and there used to be the Florida Marlins. It’s hard to understand why another team would care. Strange times we live in.
While doubting the Halos would leave the Southland market, I absolutely can see Moreno cashing out, considering the value of franchises at the moment. If the Baltimore Birds can fetch $1.75 (even with their half of a regional network ownership), the Halos should be able to command upwards of $2 B. Chris Ilitch, please follow suit and cash out your Tigers stake now!
David Samson has publicly stated that MLB owners refused to let Mark Cuban buy an MLB franchise in the past because, as Samson put it, “The juice wasn’t worth the squeeze”. The reason Arte Moreno purportedly didn’t sell the Angels when he recently had the team up for sale was because he couldn’t get the price he wanted. Given the price the Orioles sold for, Moreno’s expectations may now be more realistic. The price the Orioles sold for was not good news for MLB and the other owners because it represented a market value much lower than expected. Analysts have attributed the lower than expected Orioles sales price to the crash in the RSN industry that has cut (or threatens to cut) broadcast revenue for most teams. With the uncertainty of future broadcast revenue, no buyers are willing to bid up or overpay to buy an MLB team. Brody - I know you are hamstrung about talking about the RSN industry’s problems and that industry’s effects on MLB teams, as you are employed in that industry. But, the problems of the RSN industry is a huge problem for the MLB. No less an authority than David Samson says the problems of the RSN industry is the biggest problem facing the MLB. I don’t know if this is feasible, but maybe you could have an RSN expert on your show and let them speak to the current issues in that industry and their effects on MLB teams so that your words aren’t used, or is having an expert on your channel just as problematic as you speaking about the industry? Regards, D.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information? It was widely reported that Moreno had countless suitors and had agreed to sell the team for nearly $3B. It would have set a record for an MLB franchise. When he was walking the potential new owner through the stadium he became remorseful and decided not sell. He then announced that the team had been taken off the market because he loved baseball and the team. He's 77 and not stupid-- the fans are upset with him. It makes sense that he puts the team back on the market quietly. There's a reason why they aren't spending big-- potentially it's due to keeping the payroll low for a new owner. He only paid $175M for the team. Whether he gets $2.8B or $3.2B-- what's the difference for the richest man in the state of Arizona and who is 77? No member of his family wants to run the franchise, so I believe the reality is that Moreno will sell sooner rather than later and he will get a premium.
MLB thought there would ALWAYS be an unlimited amount of broadcast revenue, to tap into. They bet wrong, and know the entire spirts is crashing like the stock market in the 1930's Greed has inflitrated the ranks, and they deserve this over correction, to knock them down several pegs. Ir's obvious by no team offering Snell, Montgonery, Bellinger, etc. Thoae gargantuan contracts, that future free agents will have to settle for far less. Juan Soto won't get the $$$ he thinks he has coming. MLB overspent the golden goose, and seeing the Mets, Red Sox, Giants, throw their hands up, it's clear, the future is not bright.
@@bhbecca First, I never said nobody wanted to buy the Angels. I said Moreno couldn’t get his price, which was reportedly $3B. If any buyer is adamant about a selling price, it doesn’t matter how many potential buyers they have if they are not meeting the seller’s price. Also, what Moreno paid for the team is completely irrelevant, as billionaires don’t become billionaires by being cavalier over the difference between $2.8B and $3.2B. If your account is true, what is different now than was the case literally a few months ago when he supposedly was walking a prospective owner through the stadium? I find it odd that he supposedly struck a deal to sell and no details of any of the bidders, let alone the highest bidder, have surfaced, as well as the story you tell that I have never before heard. Can you please forward the reference from which you derived your info on the supposed sale in principle by Moreno? I have searched for such story and have found nothing about such story. When you say the Angels will sell at a “premium”, what exactly do you mean by premium? Premium over what? If you mean the Angels will sell for more than the $2.42B price Steve Cohen paid for the Mets, that is a no brainer, as Forbes estimates the Angels are worth $2.7B and sports franchises among all sports are appreciating in value. But the value of MLB teams is not nearly appreciating at the rate that NFL and NBA teams are achieving. Moreno himself stated in a Sports Illustrated interview that the highest bid he got when he previously had the team up for sale was about $200M over the Mets sales price (meaning $2.6B). But Arte wanted $3B and he didn’t have any offers at that price, so he pulled the team off the market. Given the recent sales price of the Orioles, which was below expectations, Moreno may now be rethinking insisting on $3B. Moreno is legendary for being cheap, so there is no way he is indifferent to $2.8B vs. $3.2B, which is a ridiculous claim under any circumstances. Also, Moreno’s age is wholly irrelevant regarding selling the team , as he is not nearly the oldest owner in MLB, as there are quite a few owners in their 80’s & 90’s. David Rubenstein, the buyer of the Orioles, is only 2 years younger than Moreno and he is buying. BTW - Moreno isn’t the wealthiest person in Arizona. Ernest Garcia II, founder of Carvana and whose wealth is estimate by Forbes to be $6.9B, is the wealthiest person in Arizona.
And I explained to you that he did get his price. Price wasn't the issue. Many buyers were interested. Moreno had seller's remorse. And I didn't say you claimed no one wanted to buy-- I was just giving you additional information and context. I'm not being combative, but your information is wildly wrong. Moreno would have netted a price larger than what the Mets had realized-- that's a premium price. It's southern California and the sky is the limit here regarding marketing, revenue and opportunity, especially with their stadium lease up in 5-years. They have the ability to move and build a new stadium. Could be on the same site, or in Long Beach where they were offered ocean front property? Could be in the San Fernando Valley that if it was its own city it would be the 6th largest in the country? It will not be in Riverside or Kern County. If anything they will want to be in between Los Angeles and Anaheim. You should be a lawyer. I've have seen Moreno listed as the wealthiest person in Arizona numerous times. If the Carvana owner surpassed him, terrific, but I don't see the relevance to the point that I made-- which is that Moreno is already immensely wealthy and 77-years old. Money isn't going to be the determining factor with whether he sells the team. It's his own enjoyment and whether it remains viable for him. Does he want to get booed when he walks into his own stadium? Listen to fans call him a medlesom idiot? My guess is he's had enough, and if he hasn't he's close. Another losing year and fans scrreaming should be enough to see him say farewell. @@dorothygale1104
@@bhbecca You claim that I state things that are wildly wrong and yet you brush aside my pointing out that a claim you make that is false is irrelevant. That is the definition of double-speak. The price the Mets sold for has no bearing on whether the sales price of the Angels is a premium price, notwithstanding the fact that the $2.42B Mets sales price is currently the MLB record. That price is currently the record only because valuable franchises like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc have not sold lately. The Mets sales price is in essence a false record because it by no means represents a measure of what the more valuable teams ate worth or what they would sell for. For a team like the Angels to sell for just above $2.42B would, by your stated rationale, be a premium sales price because it would be a record price, but, in fact, such a sales price would be a huge disappointment and a negative statement on the appreciative value of MLB teams. As I stated, Forbes estimates the value of the Angels at $2.7B, so any sales price less than the estimated value would not be a premium price even if it is above the Mets $2.42B sales price. A price above what the current estimated market value defines a premium price. As for your insistence that the sales price of any asset a billionaire own is irrelevant because they ate already hugely wealthy, all I can say is “Bless your heart”. If that is true, why have a bidding process to determine the highest bid? If price doesn’t matter, why not sell to the potential buyer who Arte likes best or some other esoteric measure? Moreno would be hugely wealthy if he fidn’t own the Angels. So, if price doesn’t matter, why not donate ownership of the team to a charitable foundation? But you believe what you want. From my business experience I’ve dealt with several billionaires and I have yet to find anyone in the spectrum of wealth who was insensitive to price.
One of the few good things about Arte Moreno is that he's not John Fisher. How can a team that had Trout and Ohtani in their lineup not be a perennial WS contender?
@@tommybotts because Arte thought all they needed to do is sign a few stars/free agents instead of developing minor league talent. . because, again, Arte has been the de facto GM
As someone in OC in the construction field there will definitely be a new stadium announcement not too far into the future know multiple people in the surveying world and they have a place down
Mark Cuban was the biggest pain in the hind end of the NBA when he owned the Dallas Mavericks. Seemed like he was always in a dust-up with then-NBA Commissioner David Stern over one thing or another. The question is if Arte Moreno sells the Angels to Cuban; what's going to be Rob Manfred's reaction regarding Cuban as an MLB owner?
Don’t forget that Cuban tried to buy the Rangers some time ago. When the current group bought it out of bankruptcy, they were up against another group. The other group was Mark Cuban and Jim Crane.
I mean, wasn't like ur owner wasn't trying like the A's owner, Rendon kinda fucked y'all but u guys still had Trout & Ohtani which is a lot more than most of the league, could of def been a lot worse
The padres share the two LA teams in the palm springs and El Centro areas. But the pads are confined primarily to sd, lake Elsinore, Tijuana the places I mentioned and to a lesser degree, Yuma az though it's shared with the dbacks.
"Biggest media market" is frequently overblown because other teams frequently take a much larger share of that market. The Angels and White Sox are both in big media markets. Combined though... They are the most watched or purchased team in exactly zero counties in the entire country. At what point does a large media market become oversaturated with it's own competitors? I would say at the point that the competitors struggles to be the top dog in even 1 single county. For reference, the Atlanta Braves are the top team in 550 counties. When you are struggling to even get 1 county like the Angels and White Sox frequently do... I would say that is a sign the market is oversaturated and needs less teams.
@@adanalyst6925 Possibly. I have heard that there are at least some counties that watch the A's as their #1 team though. So to answer your question: Perhaps?
@@matthew01234 The LA market is beyond over saturated. Look at the Chargers, couldnt sellout a single 'home' game this past season. Be nice to see the Angels move beyond so-cal imo.
Same for the Athletics, Mets, Jets, Clippers, and Nets. The reason the Braves have such a wide geographic stretch is that baseball is not a big draw in the South. Look at the teams in Florida. They don't draw well despite having fairly successful teams. Stadium problems may factor in. It could also be that summer weather in the south isn't ideal for baseball. Of the four major sports in the US, baseball is the vulnerable to weather. Last year's World Series between teams from Dallas and Phoenix was a dud for TV ratings.
Angels always have the best team every year, we are just plagued with injuries, like the Lakers. Yes, Dodgers of The Angels and Angels of The Angels are very distant.
Not an Angels fan, but they deserve better. Moreno had a nice start(lowering beer prices and going after top FA's but they've wasted Trout and Ohtani's careers up to this point.
Angles need a new stadium I don't see them moving though. You don't give up a huge market like LA. They can re build in LA. They get huge revenue from local TV deal. So they are not moving anywhere. But I would say a retractable roof modern stadium would be the way to go. I think Art M saw the O's numbers and wants to try again. If the O's are worth 1.2 billion Angles have be over 2 3 billion given the TV market in LA.
They will stay in Orange County. Long Beach doesn't have the space for a downtown stadium and it's just down the 110 from Dodger Stadium. Irvine? Hmm, maybe. And good god -- no -- no roof (retractable or fixed) is needed for SoCal summers.
I call Mark Cuban "Cubie" all the time, just like "Beezie", "Muskie", and "Buffie". Who doesn't? Even though it's speculation, it's at least plausible speculation. Cuban is constantly expanding his business portfolio and looking for new ideas. MLB would also rubber-stamp his purchase of any team if he wanted one just because of the way that he ran the Mavericks. He would be a team owner that would be more than willing to go into the luxury tax to put a winner on the field, which is great for MLB. He'd also be one of the few owners that could create a second marquee MLB franchise in the city of LA. It's not hard to imagine this scenario at all.
AL better get on top of this or they’ll soon have no Western Division! Angels def need a new stadium. I know Long Beach made a pitch for them with an oceanfront lot. Do that!
Please God, let this be true! I don't ask for a lot. I'm a good person. Please let Arte sell this team so we can move forward. My 80-year old mother is running out of time!
Angel Stadium of Anaheim (my birthplace. Anaheim, not the stadium) or Anaheim Stadium as I remember it growing up, opened when I was about a year and a half old in April of 1966. I am a Dodger fan though. Sorry Giants fans.
If Arte Moreno would quit acting as the de facto GM(and just sign checks), The Angels would have a shot. But, Arte Moreno won't stop acting as the acting GM...so, maybe Moreno(to save face, for being a bad GM, in his mind)will sell the team. For the team's sake, let's hope so
Jim Memolo -- stress the first syllable in his name. He's one of the best guys to listen to on MLB Network Radio. He's the closest host on the network to having the fans' perspective.
@@brodiebrazil I thought Art M. just tried to sell and then said they were not for sale anymore ? I think he saw what the O's got and said lets try again.
Mark Cuban? This dudes tried to buy the Cubs, Rangers, Mets, Pirates and Dodgers. I'm pretty sure he's just trying to add to his collection of failed bids.
@@michaelleroy9281: Funny lol. Do you realize most of MLB Padres home games are transplants to support their away teams. MLB Padres will future relocate from S/D to SLC as the Utah Mormons. Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.
Hopefully, the new owner will move the Angels from Los Angeles and back to Anaheim. Btw Brodie how do you feel about the A's playing full time in San Francisco? Because they play across the bay in Oakland which is basically San Francisco.
@@swissbeats2kThey were renamed around '05 to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim--in a thought that by putting LA in their name, they'd get more money in fan support.
Very much a non-story. I'm surprised you would even join in the speculation. Moreno already had a buyer but he backed out at the last minute. Why? Because he loves baseball. He just couldn't do it. Will he ever sell? Maybe, who knows? But to spread a rumor like that is unprofessional. As for Mark Cuban I seriously doubt that the existing "club" of owners would want Cuban in the club. While he's been enthusiastic about the NBA, his very public challenges to former Commissioner David Stern, didn't sit well with other NBA owners and his "challenge authority" attitude would most likely not be welcome in baseball. As to the Angels, it wasn't long ago when they were drawing over 3 million fans per season. The Orange County market is strong. They have had some recent setbacks, both on the field and with their desire to build a ballpark village. But it wouldn't surprise me to see Moreno hang around for the foreseeable future. He loves the game and I doubt he wants to cash out anytime soon.
@@boobnightengale1098 I would like that, but don't see it happening with Arte. He took over a team who were recent World Series champions and turned them in to a target of ridicule.
Meh. This is stupid. The fact that this came from the MLB network does not give it any more credibility. And yea, anyone calling Cuban “Cuby” already starts with a lack of credibility.
Arte is hated by everyone that follows this organization or is a part of it. Fans and everyone around need to make it even more public than they hate the man and want him to sell the team. He’s cancer
Biggest problem with all the teams in California is that all the cities are dying from political mismanagement ..What saves the Dodgers they are right next to the police academy..
Brodie of the Saudi Public Fund could and offered Fisher $3B to. It the team and they would build their own stadium in the East or South Bay, would you want that to happen even though the Saudi’s come with their own baggage?
LA is the number 2 TV market in the entire country Las Vegas is down middle of the road. They get huge revenue from their local TV deal. They are not giving up that market to the dodgers. Vegas does not make them more money.
I thought it would be the Angels that ended up in Vegas because of their own stadium issues, and really I'd probably rather have the Angels than the A's. I don't know what you'd do with the name -- could they really be the "Sin City Angels"?
I've been a fan since the days of don Baylor and Reggie Jackson and rod cares and I can honestly say there is only one transaction that will renew my interest. That transaction is Moreno going elsewhere. Not involved. Not an owner. Not a representation. Nothing. That's it. This past season was the nail in the coffin in my ability to think positively about this organization.
Cuban has been outspoken in the past about how franchise relocation is a bad thing for sports. In fact, I always thought that Cuban was too outspoken for MLB. For that reason alone, I hope it happens.
This is very interesting for me. I'm a So Cal guy, I actually worked for the Angels for three years. (Two with Gene Autry, one with Disney) I think it is about time. Moreno's ownership has not gone well. Getting a new voice and someone who wants to improve the team and maybe relocate them in So Cal might be the way to go.
as a LA fan...I enjoy watching baseball games at dodger and angel stadium...hopefully angels don't move
As a Giants fan, I hope this is a factor to lead Fisher to sell the A's.
It likely doesn’t have much impact on the A’s, though if Cuban buys it for $2B, it could entice him to sell, but it’s doubtful
He could see dollar signs but it’s too late for Oakland that ship has sailed.
Fisher will sell--but only IMMEDIATELY AFTER relocating to who ever is DUMB ENOUGH to take them.
Fisher WANTS VEGAS! He saw how the value of the Raiders went UP by 4 TIMES once they relocated. IF he gets to Vegas, THEN--he WILL SELL.
Hopefully a new owner returns the "Los Angeles" Angels to their proper late-90s/early-00s Anaheim Angels name 🤞
California Angels even better name IMHO.
@@AnthonySpecialeJr I didn’t know that. Currently we have the Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins and there used to be the Florida Marlins. It’s hard to understand why another team would care. Strange times we live in.
@jameskeys971 correction: upon further research I can't actually find any rule about this! So ignore my now deleted comment 🤦♂️
@@AnthonySpecialeJr thanks!
For the love of piss yes
Brodie, you are a breath of common sense. REALLY enjoy your perspective on the topics you present! Great job, Sir!
While doubting the Halos would leave the Southland market, I absolutely can see Moreno cashing out, considering the value of franchises at the moment. If the Baltimore Birds can fetch $1.75 (even with their half of a regional network ownership), the Halos should be able to command upwards of $2 B. Chris Ilitch, please follow suit and cash out your Tigers stake now!
David Samson has publicly stated that MLB owners refused to let Mark Cuban buy an MLB franchise in the past because, as Samson put it, “The juice wasn’t worth the squeeze”.
The reason Arte Moreno purportedly didn’t sell the Angels when he recently had the team up for sale was because he couldn’t get the price he wanted. Given the price the Orioles sold for, Moreno’s expectations may now be more realistic.
The price the Orioles sold for was not good news for MLB and the other owners because it represented a market value much lower than expected. Analysts have attributed the lower than expected Orioles sales price to the crash in the RSN industry that has cut (or threatens to cut) broadcast revenue for most teams. With the uncertainty of future broadcast revenue, no buyers are willing to bid up or overpay to buy an MLB team.
Brody - I know you are hamstrung about talking about the RSN industry’s problems and that industry’s effects on MLB teams, as you are employed in that industry. But, the problems of the RSN industry is a huge problem for the MLB. No less an authority than David Samson says the problems of the RSN industry is the biggest problem facing the MLB. I don’t know if this is feasible, but maybe you could have an RSN expert on your show and let them speak to the current issues in that industry and their effects on MLB teams so that your words aren’t used, or is having an expert on your channel just as problematic as you speaking about the industry?
Regards,
D.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information? It was widely reported that Moreno had countless suitors and had agreed to sell the team for nearly $3B. It would have set a record for an MLB franchise. When he was walking the potential new owner through the stadium he became remorseful and decided not sell. He then announced that the team had been taken off the market because he loved baseball and the team. He's 77 and not stupid-- the fans are upset with him. It makes sense that he puts the team back on the market quietly. There's a reason why they aren't spending big-- potentially it's due to keeping the payroll low for a new owner. He only paid $175M for the team. Whether he gets $2.8B or $3.2B-- what's the difference for the richest man in the state of Arizona and who is 77? No member of his family wants to run the franchise, so I believe the reality is that Moreno will sell sooner rather than later and he will get a premium.
MLB thought there would ALWAYS be an unlimited amount of broadcast revenue, to tap into. They bet wrong, and know the entire spirts is crashing like the stock market in the 1930's Greed has inflitrated the ranks, and they deserve this over correction, to knock them down several pegs. Ir's obvious by no team offering Snell, Montgonery, Bellinger, etc. Thoae gargantuan contracts, that future free agents will have to settle for far less. Juan Soto won't get the $$$ he thinks he has coming. MLB overspent the golden goose, and seeing the Mets, Red Sox, Giants, throw their hands up, it's clear, the future is not bright.
@@bhbecca First, I never said nobody wanted to buy the Angels. I said Moreno couldn’t get his price, which was reportedly $3B. If any buyer is adamant about a selling price, it doesn’t matter how many potential buyers they have if they are not meeting the seller’s price. Also, what Moreno paid for the team is completely irrelevant, as billionaires don’t become billionaires by being cavalier over the difference between $2.8B and $3.2B.
If your account is true, what is different now than was the case literally a few months ago when he supposedly was walking a prospective owner through the stadium? I find it odd that he supposedly struck a deal to sell and no details of any of the bidders, let alone the highest bidder, have surfaced, as well as the story you tell that I have never before heard. Can you please forward the reference from which you derived your info on the supposed sale in principle by Moreno? I have searched for such story and have found nothing about such story.
When you say the Angels will sell at a “premium”, what exactly do you mean by premium? Premium over what? If you mean the Angels will sell for more than the $2.42B price Steve Cohen paid for the Mets, that is a no brainer, as Forbes estimates the Angels are worth $2.7B and sports franchises among all sports are appreciating in value. But the value of MLB teams is not nearly appreciating at the rate that NFL and NBA teams are achieving. Moreno himself stated in a Sports Illustrated interview that the highest bid he got when he previously had the team up for sale was about $200M over the Mets sales price (meaning $2.6B). But Arte wanted $3B and he didn’t have any offers at that price, so he pulled the team off the market. Given the recent sales price of the Orioles, which was below expectations, Moreno may now be rethinking insisting on $3B. Moreno is legendary for being cheap, so there is no way he is indifferent to $2.8B vs. $3.2B, which is a ridiculous claim under any circumstances. Also, Moreno’s age is wholly irrelevant regarding selling the team , as he is not nearly the oldest owner in MLB, as there are quite a few owners in their 80’s & 90’s. David Rubenstein, the buyer of the Orioles, is only 2 years younger than Moreno and he is buying.
BTW - Moreno isn’t the wealthiest person in Arizona. Ernest Garcia II, founder of Carvana and whose wealth is estimate by Forbes to be $6.9B, is the wealthiest person in Arizona.
And I explained to you that he did get his price. Price wasn't the issue. Many buyers were interested. Moreno had seller's remorse. And I didn't say you claimed no one wanted to buy-- I was just giving you additional information and context. I'm not being combative, but your information is wildly wrong. Moreno would have netted a price larger than what the Mets had realized-- that's a premium price. It's southern California and the sky is the limit here regarding marketing, revenue and opportunity, especially with their stadium lease up in 5-years. They have the ability to move and build a new stadium. Could be on the same site, or in Long Beach where they were offered ocean front property? Could be in the San Fernando Valley that if it was its own city it would be the 6th largest in the country? It will not be in Riverside or Kern County. If anything they will want to be in between Los Angeles and Anaheim. You should be a lawyer. I've have seen Moreno listed as the wealthiest person in Arizona numerous times. If the Carvana owner surpassed him, terrific, but I don't see the relevance to the point that I made-- which is that Moreno is already immensely wealthy and 77-years old. Money isn't going to be the determining factor with whether he sells the team. It's his own enjoyment and whether it remains viable for him. Does he want to get booed when he walks into his own stadium? Listen to fans call him a medlesom idiot? My guess is he's had enough, and if he hasn't he's close. Another losing year and fans scrreaming should be enough to see him say farewell. @@dorothygale1104
@@bhbecca You claim that I state things that are wildly wrong and yet you brush aside my pointing out that a claim you make that is false is irrelevant. That is the definition of double-speak.
The price the Mets sold for has no bearing on whether the sales price of the Angels is a premium price, notwithstanding the fact that the $2.42B Mets sales price is currently the MLB record. That price is currently the record only because valuable franchises like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc have not sold lately. The Mets sales price is in essence a false record because it by no means represents a measure of what the more valuable teams ate worth or what they would sell for. For a team like the Angels to sell for just above $2.42B would, by your stated rationale, be a premium sales price because it would be a record price, but, in fact, such a sales price would be a huge disappointment and a negative statement on the appreciative value of MLB teams. As I stated, Forbes estimates the value of the Angels at $2.7B, so any sales price less than the estimated value would not be a premium price even if it is above the Mets $2.42B sales price. A price above what the current estimated market value defines a premium price.
As for your insistence that the sales price of any asset a billionaire own is irrelevant because they ate already hugely wealthy, all I can say is “Bless your heart”. If that is true, why have a bidding process to determine the highest bid? If price doesn’t matter, why not sell to the potential buyer who Arte likes best or some other esoteric measure? Moreno would be hugely wealthy if he fidn’t own the Angels. So, if price doesn’t matter, why not donate ownership of the team to a charitable foundation? But you believe what you want. From my business experience I’ve dealt with several billionaires and I have yet to find anyone in the spectrum of wealth who was insensitive to price.
One of the few good things about Arte Moreno is that he's not John Fisher.
How can a team that had Trout and Ohtani in their lineup not be a perennial WS contender?
Arte needs to quit being the de facto GM, and just sign checks...his ego won't let him
@@michaelbaucom4019 Two players do not a franchise make.
@@tommybotts because Arte thought all they needed to do is sign a few stars/free agents instead of developing minor league talent. . because, again, Arte has been the de facto GM
It takes more than two big stars to get a team to the playoffs.
Injuries and lack of position player depth
I'll believe it when I see it. Arte Moreno has been a bad owner. Angels also need to go back to Anaheim Angels.
As someone in OC in the construction field there will definitely be a new stadium announcement not too far into the future know multiple people in the surveying world and they have a place down
You mean other than Anaheim?
@@JohnnyBGoode-xw9zj no no definitely in Anaheim.
It's the spot closer to the ARTIC and the 57 freeway. Same parking lot but closer to the Katella/Douglass intersection
@@fantasyEXX Are you talking about the parking area by the old JD Schmidt?
oooo got anymore little details? haha
Mark Cuban was the biggest pain in the hind end of the NBA when he owned the Dallas Mavericks. Seemed like he was always in a dust-up with then-NBA Commissioner David Stern over one thing or another. The question is if Arte Moreno sells the Angels to Cuban; what's going to be Rob Manfred's reaction regarding Cuban as an MLB owner?
Oh yes, I knew about this story about the Angels 😇 for a while now 🥃🔥
I can't see the Angels leaving the Greater Los Angeles media market. Way too big of a market.
i dont think they would ever leave socal
Don’t forget that Cuban tried to buy the Rangers some time ago. When the current group bought it out of bankruptcy, they were up against another group.
The other group was Mark Cuban and Jim Crane.
Ducks are doing that redev across the street - OC Vibe.
Please please please, Angels fans have suffered enough. Get Arte as far away from this team as possible
Preach 😂
Amen 🙏
I mean, wasn't like ur owner wasn't trying like the A's owner, Rendon kinda fucked y'all but u guys still had Trout & Ohtani which is a lot more than most of the league, could of def been a lot worse
@@dvo1245 I agree, but after Moreno is the reason why we are in the position we have been for the past 8 plus years
Arte
Angels draw well and they haven't been that good lately. Imagine if they put a consistent winner on the field.
Let's not forget that the San Diego Padres also share the Southern California market.
Separate by mlb & media market considerations
@@brodiebrazil Very true, but still Southern California. I guess I am splitting hairs. Sorry.
@@paulgodbey304san diego is a 2.5 hour drive, longer with traffic, from the angels. Different worlds my guy
@@ThatGuyOnRUclips2 As a native Orange Countian, I couldn't agree more!
The padres share the two LA teams in the palm springs and El Centro areas. But the pads are confined primarily to sd, lake Elsinore, Tijuana the places I mentioned and to a lesser degree, Yuma az though it's shared with the dbacks.
"Biggest media market" is frequently overblown because other teams frequently take a much larger share of that market. The Angels and White Sox are both in big media markets. Combined though... They are the most watched or purchased team in exactly zero counties in the entire country. At what point does a large media market become oversaturated with it's own competitors? I would say at the point that the competitors struggles to be the top dog in even 1 single county. For reference, the Atlanta Braves are the top team in 550 counties. When you are struggling to even get 1 county like the Angels and White Sox frequently do... I would say that is a sign the market is oversaturated and needs less teams.
So do you think the A’s should move for the same reasons?
@@adanalyst6925 Possibly. I have heard that there are at least some counties that watch the A's as their #1 team though. So to answer your question: Perhaps?
@@matthew01234 The LA market is beyond over saturated. Look at the Chargers, couldnt sellout a single 'home' game this past season. Be nice to see the Angels move beyond so-cal imo.
Same for the Athletics, Mets, Jets, Clippers, and Nets. The reason the Braves have such a wide geographic stretch is that baseball is not a big draw in the South. Look at the teams in Florida. They don't draw well despite having fairly successful teams. Stadium problems may factor in. It could also be that summer weather in the south isn't ideal for baseball. Of the four major sports in the US, baseball is the vulnerable to weather. Last year's World Series between teams from Dallas and Phoenix was a dud for TV ratings.
Angels always have the best team every year, we are just plagued with injuries, like the Lakers. Yes, Dodgers of The Angels and Angels of The Angels are very distant.
Thank you for your calm, reasoned speculation.
Glad to see that you call them the Los Angels of Anaheim like I do
Bro, talk to David Samson. They’ve been for sale for a few years. The owner just can’t get his price.
It's one year too late now. Shohei already left. Had the Japanese owners ready to buy last year. Pointless now.
Not an Angels fan, but they deserve better. Moreno had a nice start(lowering beer prices and going after top FA's but they've wasted Trout and Ohtani's careers up to this point.
Cubie would inject a lot of excitement into the Angels and MLB as a whole.
Angles need a new stadium I don't see them moving though. You don't give up a huge market like LA. They can re build in LA. They get huge revenue from local TV deal. So they are not moving anywhere. But I would say a retractable roof modern stadium would be the way to go. I think Art M saw the O's numbers and wants to try again. If the O's are worth 1.2 billion Angles have be over 2 3 billion given the TV market in LA.
Angels could move to Irvine or Long Beach and keep the LA market.
They will stay in Orange County. Long Beach doesn't have the space for a downtown stadium and it's just down the 110 from Dodger Stadium. Irvine? Hmm, maybe. And good god -- no -- no roof (retractable or fixed) is needed for SoCal summers.
@@JonDoe-ln6nlask the people at Dodger stadium if they would like a roof and some shade
I call Mark Cuban "Cubie" all the time, just like "Beezie", "Muskie", and "Buffie". Who doesn't?
Even though it's speculation, it's at least plausible speculation. Cuban is constantly expanding his business portfolio and looking for new ideas. MLB would also rubber-stamp his purchase of any team if he wanted one just because of the way that he ran the Mavericks. He would be a team owner that would be more than willing to go into the luxury tax to put a winner on the field, which is great for MLB. He'd also be one of the few owners that could create a second marquee MLB franchise in the city of LA. It's not hard to imagine this scenario at all.
No one calls him that 😂
AL better get on top of this or they’ll soon have no Western Division! Angels def need a new stadium. I know Long Beach made a pitch for them with an oceanfront lot. Do that!
Oh no there goes Joe Lacob as a potential buyer for the A’s 😢
Please God, let this be true! I don't ask for a lot. I'm a good person. Please let Arte sell this team so we can move forward. My 80-year old mother is running out of time!
Angel Stadium of Anaheim (my birthplace. Anaheim, not the stadium) or Anaheim Stadium as I remember it growing up, opened when I was about a year and a half old in April of 1966. I am a Dodger fan though. Sorry Giants fans.
Angels stadium is a dump. No need to sugarcoat it
This is not surprising
As an Angels fan, I’ll welcome Mark Cuban
If Arte Moreno would quit acting as the de facto GM(and just sign checks), The Angels would have a shot. But, Arte Moreno won't stop acting as the acting GM...so, maybe Moreno(to save face, for being a bad GM, in his mind)will sell the team. For the team's sake, let's hope so
Ducks are building a 90 acre entertainment district around their arena just feet away from the Angels stadium. OCVIBE.
As an Angels fan I would LOVE if the Angels ACTUALLY moved to Los Angeles
Cuban is gonna slide into Vegas with the help of the Sand corporation and take it from Fisher😂
Las Vegas Angels?
That money in Vegas doesn’t have designation for just the A’s😎
Cubie and Gubie! Let’s make it happen
Jim Memolo -- stress the first syllable in his name. He's one of the best guys to listen to on MLB Network Radio. He's the closest host on the network to having the fans' perspective.
Apologies if I botched the pronunciation
@@brodiebrazil Love the content, Brodie. Glad to see you hooked up with the Foul Territory guys.
@@brodiebrazil I thought Art M. just tried to sell and then said they were not for sale anymore ? I think he saw what the O's got and said lets try again.
Austin or,San Antonio
Mark Cuban? This dudes tried to buy the Cubs, Rangers, Mets, Pirates and Dodgers. I'm pretty sure he's just trying to add to his collection of failed bids.
The decline of CA's MLB clubs: Oakland Athletics; San Diego Padres; Los Angeles Angels upon future relocations.
Not San Diego, Petco Park opened in 2004 relatively still new
@@michaelleroy9281: Funny lol. Do you realize most of MLB Padres home games are transplants to support their away teams. MLB Padres will future relocate from S/D to SLC as the Utah Mormons. Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.
"Play-Uffs? Don't talk to me about no Play-Uffs. Are you kidding me?" @7:50
As an angel's fan, I'm gonna show up to the games with a brown bag on my head.
Angels would be a good name for a team in Salt Lake City.
Hopefully, the new owner will move the Angels from Los Angeles and back to Anaheim. Btw Brodie how do you feel about the A's playing full time in San Francisco? Because they play across the bay in Oakland which is basically San Francisco.
They are in anahiem
@@ramenlover1727 why are they called Los Angeles Angels? I'm confused??
because arte is a idiot were based in anahiem he wanted to be part of the so called greater LA market @@swissbeats2k
@@swissbeats2kThey were renamed around '05 to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim--in a thought that by putting LA in their name, they'd get more money in fan support.
Very much a non-story. I'm surprised you would even join in the speculation. Moreno already had a buyer but he backed out at the last minute. Why? Because he loves baseball. He just couldn't do it. Will he ever sell? Maybe, who knows? But to spread a rumor like that is unprofessional. As for Mark Cuban I seriously doubt that the existing "club" of owners would want Cuban in the club. While he's been enthusiastic about the NBA, his very public challenges to former Commissioner David Stern, didn't sit well with other NBA owners and his "challenge authority" attitude would most likely not be welcome in baseball.
As to the Angels, it wasn't long ago when they were drawing over 3 million fans per season. The Orange County market is strong. They have had some recent setbacks, both on the field and with their desire to build a ballpark village. But it wouldn't surprise me to see Moreno hang around for the foreseeable future. He loves the game and I doubt he wants to cash out anytime soon.
uh huh
Arte put them up for sale a couple of years ago and then took them off the market.
Maybe Moreno will buy the A's from Fisher since they'll be going under as soon as they leave JOKE-land.
Sell the athletics
if they didnt before they arent now
The players themselves are breaking there own sport with the massive contracts
You want to be relevant? Call them by their correct name. The Los Angeles Angels. Of Anaheim hasn't been in their moniker for years.
I don’t want to be relevant
Lighten up Francis… ko3iq
@@brodiebrazil LoL Obviously
I think you should be more concerned with the angels trying to stay relevant. 🤣
@@boobnightengale1098 I would like that, but don't see it happening with Arte. He took over a team who were recent World Series champions and turned them in to a target of ridicule.
Or maybe the Nationals.
Bring them to Oakland
As an X-angels fan I want them to leave OC and hope OC gets a expansion team later
los angeles angels might move texas if Mark CUBAN
Put them in Vegas? Wait, Vegas wants a world series
Only team worse than the Angels are the A’s ..Two complete incompetent owners
I hope so. Need to get this team away from Atre.
Please let this happen. Mexican McCourt has been given so much talent and he just wasted it.
MLB don’t want mark Cuban way to out spoken for them. The angels will cost 3 b
Again
All they need is a brand new stadium with a lot of fixtures!
The stadium is fine , what they need is a new owner/GM.
This the kind of crap you shouldn't spread. It's all a lie. No way would Arte Moreno do something that would make the fans happy.
Meh. This is stupid. The fact that this came from the MLB network does not give it any more credibility. And yea, anyone calling Cuban “Cuby” already starts with a lack of credibility.
Cubie?
Arte is hated by everyone that follows this organization or is a part of it. Fans and everyone around need to make it even more public than they hate the man and want him to sell the team. He’s cancer
They are just the Los Angeles Angels. Dude doesn't even know the name of the team he is talking about.
oh i know them
Biggest problem with all the teams in California is that all the cities are dying from political mismanagement ..What saves the Dodgers they are right next to the police academy..
Nothing can save the Dodgers they are a hyped up disgrace. They haven't won a WS since 1988
Let’s hope so, Arte sell the team.
Rats have always known when to leave a sinking ship. MLB is in a serious decline.
Brodie of the Saudi Public Fund could and offered Fisher $3B to. It the team and they would build their own stadium in the East or South Bay, would you want that to happen even though the Saudi’s come with their own baggage?
huh?
Investment funds aren’t allowed to buy MLB teams
No. I don't think a team bought by the Saudi's would stay in Oakland.
Angels need to sell to Cuban and go to Vegas, A's need to stay in Oakland or go to SLC
The Angels have a regional hold on OC and IE, they aren't going anywhere
They have some of the highest attendance numbers in the league. Leaving a top market to a small market is stupid lol
LA is the number 2 TV market in the entire country Las Vegas is down middle of the road. They get huge revenue from their local TV deal. They are not giving up that market to the dodgers. Vegas does not make them more money.
middle of the pack attendance even with Ohtani. TV deal aside, they should move. LA is beyond saturated with sports teams...
@@vasiliosthomas4883 that isnt even close to being true lol.
I thought it would be the Angels that ended up in Vegas because of their own stadium issues, and really I'd probably rather have the Angels than the A's. I don't know what you'd do with the name -- could they really be the "Sin City Angels"?
I've been a fan since the days of don Baylor and Reggie Jackson and rod cares and I can honestly say there is only one transaction that will renew my interest. That transaction is Moreno going elsewhere. Not involved. Not an owner. Not a representation. Nothing. That's it. This past season was the nail in the coffin in my ability to think positively about this organization.
* That's Carew
@@michaelleroy9281 thanks for noticing.
Hey @SfGiants please