guys I would argue Jesse exceeded the pros as he had no professional team backing/entourage, euro program, nutritionist, masseuse etc etc. yet held his own in the race. comparatively there was 1 pro rider in the breakaway with 4 support riders back in the group and he ended up dnf, yet Jesse finished - think that team wished they had him for the day. that's talent plain and simple. put a team around jc and reckon he'd thrive. genes will get you so far between the ears is what counts!
Great Video! About the wheel acceleration - you can calculate the difference of the moment of inertia and from this the difference in the rotational energy when accelerating. I did a quick calculation between a typical winspace 38mm and 60mm set of wheels (~230g difference in weight). The difference in moment of inertia is ~0.13 kg*m^2. In a acceleration from 25 km/h to 40 km/h the difference in rotational energy is 11.6 J and for a 5 second acceleration period this corresponds to ~2 watt difference. Edit: To be precise the difference in kinetic energy due to the additional weight needs to be considered as well (8.7 Joules). -> The total difference in power is about 4 watt.
4w over the whole acceleration right the whole 5seconds? About what I thought even a 4 corner crit say 1km over 1h avging 50km/h =800w for the race around. 13w/min or 0.2w per second less that you would avg due to all of the accelerations in the race. Or the other way if they are all 5sec accelerations it's only about 1w/sec for each second of the acceleration. So maybe the difference between 500w and 499w 🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for putting the maths to it. I also thought it was more of the winspace feeling more responsive somehow compared to his other wheels than the 38mm winspace really being very different to the 50mm winspace
@@Dvlnerocoach I am not sure that I understand your question... but let me try to answer anyhow. Watt = joule/second or put in other words power is energy per time. During the acceleration period it is really a 4 watt difference. For example, lets say your system weight is about 80 kg - to accelerate from 25 km/h to 40 km/h you will need an energy of ~3000 J. If you want to accelerate within 5 seconds you hence need to do ~600 W. The difference due to the wheels would then be 600W vs 604W, which is ~0.7%.
@@Paganizondaf650 I agree. But, the difference in his case is 550g, so probably ~10W in the acceleration out of corners. Also, like Jesse said, if you are in the draft you don't care too much about the aerodynamics anymore and the weight difference also matters on the climbs. This is the reason that you don't see super deep rims at the TdF. I also have the theory that wheels are getting shallower with disc brakes becoming the norm to get the weight down to the limit of 6.8 kg. In big mountain stages the weight will be more important, but even in this case you will always go for the deepest possible wheel that allows you to stay at the 6.8 kg.
I have known the Niro channel for a while, but never connected with it until the last year or so. Jesse is a big part of this change, I think the channel is now heading in a very unique direction and offers a very different product that is not offered in many other cycling channels.
As a nearly 50yr old if I was you I'd keep up the cycling while you're still young and at your peak. You'll have lots of time in a few yrs to be old and slow and concentrate on just your business.
I absolutely loved my Enve 8.9s I had on my CAAD12, but I also lived in a pancake flat area. Now I live in the hills, I ride 35mm wheels with compact gearing and love it.
Loved the video - couple of points (cos I cant help but have thoughts): 1. on the shallow v deep you are absolutely right in thinking it relates to race strategy - but for non pro's (or some rouleurs perhaps) its also body weight/size related. Im 192cm and 90kg, 500 gm extra on wheels is neither here nor there. Likewise riding in a group I don't get a lot of draft from 80% of people out there so spend a lot of time on the front - aero trumps weight every day. 2. pro's v amateurs. On the idea that at the very top these are just different - 100% agree. Quick story from triathlon - there was a kid, bit of a surfer but not much else, had zero training under his belt, started doing a bit of riding, then added some running, dropped 10kg almost instantly and within a year went from the couch to matching pro times as a teenager - this kid was Kaiden Lieto, the son of triathlon great Chris Lieto - at the very top you need the right genetics. 3. Hype on bikes - agree but what you are also seeing in pretty much every field is the very top (cars, cameras, watches, bikes) pulling away from the middle in price. There are a lot of people out there with a lot of money to spend - if there are 100,000 people in the world of 7,000,000,000 willing to spend 20k on a bike companies will make 20k bikes. 4. Post race depression - exceptionally common and would be made worse by Jesse wondering "am I still a competitive cyclist?" When your focus is on an outcome (do nationals, finish an Ironman etc) rather than an identity (be a nationals level cyclist, be an Ironman triathlete) then the achievement of the outcome is often the start of a period of depression. 5. You are 100% correct that few people are good at opinions (actually I think you guys are and should keep it up). The problem is most people confuse beliefs/prejudices with opinions and therefore lump all opinions in the same bucket. An opinion is an idea founded on a fact and built up with logic, it can always be explained, argued, debated, disproved or at least weighed as good or bad (based on the facts it uses or logic it relies on). A belief/prejudice is just whatever pops into my head and usually has less to do with any facts or logic but how you wish the world was. Most people don't have the stomach (or brain power) to form, express or engage with real opinions.
Love these shows. I have never jumped on the aero wheel bandwagon. Especially where I live in Southern California, it gets VERY windy (they will literally shut off our power for days at a time due to the wind) and I love climbing my local mountains. I spent minimal money on some superteam 50mm, and jeez the wind moves the bike a lot. Not a good feeling when you're descending at 50mph. I stick to 30mm or less wheels!
Jesse, going for big goals like Nationals really builds your credibility as a coach I reckon. Congrats with Nationals too. That was a super impressive effort to last the full race too.
As a side note I have found the content on this channel has become more interesting to me at least in the past few months, not sure if there was an intentional change in direction or not but have clicked on videos here and there over the past year or two but the last few months I've found more often than not I'm watching the whole thing.
I got out of racing for 2 primary reasons: I saw that all my results based highs and lows would never allow me to find sustainable, long term happiness, and I got to know too many people who seemingly forewent relationships and careers for racing until they were no longer relevant on a bike at which point they no longer had the relevant capital to foster and develop what they'd deprioritized. But I certainly also knew others who were better at finding balance so...
I like opinion when it is based on personal experience. So when you talk about racing for example, based on personal experience running the race, that to me is content gold. Thanks for sharing
more titanium bike vs carbon race bike please....that was a serious eye opener from someone who did fall for all the marketing....Real Talk id probably buy that awesome looking aero bike just because of the pure aesthetics of it. (when i can afford it)...but at least content like that puts into perspective purchase decisions.
By far the most interesting in-depth chat about cycling I‘ve listened to in a while. Especially the part on the mental aspects. You should do a whole show on this, in some way it should be part of the whole ‚marginal gains‘ discussion.
Easily the best, honest discussion of cycling from the start at wheel depth. You guys are setting a very high standard for others to try and equal. Thank you for the insights and opinions.
If plapp can win on both deep and shallow rims then surely it doesn't matter what you run. I think sunnies are just going back to a 'normal' size. The big goggles was just a faze.
FYI : Yesterday's GCN video featured Alex doing a crit in Adelaide. A rider wearing Nero Coaching bibs was caught on the GoPro for a few seconds, around the 6:45 mark. The branding synergy long game is finally coming together, don't know how I was blind to this Nero masterplan for so long...
Don't underestimate the comfort and optical quality of SunGod's cycling glasses. I took a bit of a chance on them about 18 months ago and am about to buy my 3rd set. I've stopped wearing my Oakley collection and I don't get paid to do that like G does! 🤣... If you want 'smaller sunnies', have a look at their running glasses.
I get a short period of depression after each big goal. Usually it’s work, but also cycling goals. I’ve come to know it’s going to happen and accept it. Just knowing it’s going to happen helps a lot. I try and give myself space after or as I’m getting close to the event, start preparing for another goal. If I have something I’m already planning before the big project or event, it helps me disengage from the result and often helps me do better. The pursuit and progress is fulfilling, fulfillment from a result often doesn’t come until months or even years later.
Thanks for another great video. Chris and Jesse are now providing the best cycling content on RUclips. The deep section rim conversation is very interesting. I saw that Remco won the Worlds on 32mm Roval rims. You didn’t mention crosswind stability. I’m not sure if this is a common concern, but my experience with deep section rims absolutely sucked. I was holding on for dear life every time that strong crosswind blew across.
The honesty the two of you demonstrate in your approach to this show is appreciated. I think the problem in society at present is the lack of ability for many out there to view your expression of opinion as simply your opinion, to which you are completely entitled. Rather they take it as an attack on their own opinion and get their hackles up and hiss back at you because they can’t accept that others feel differently than they do about that particular topic. But I also applaud your ability to withstand the blowback from your shared opinions and still continue to post another show after reading some comments. Takes guts and thick skin today to do so.
great chat guys. thanks to Jesse for opening up about metal health post event. i think most people knew exactly what he meant also.... DDDUUUUVVVAAAALLLLL
The whole Specialized thing with the bike, you have to say whoever came up with the Sworks on the frame of the top end bikes is a genius. I don’t want to spend the money for one but at the same time want an Sworks frame and couldn’t buy the one that just says specialized on it 🤦🏻♂️ haha Radom thought.
Sungod are a UK company that fits the Ineos sponsorship. They have sponsored UK domestic / conti teams like Ribble & Wiv Sungod that compete in the UK premier calendar including the televised town centre crit series. They had a reasonable if less well known niche in the UK cycling market for decent sunnies at a reasonable price, though have moved on price wise to a higher bracket. I have some of their casual glasses (our team has a sponsor for riding glasses), and they are comparable to similar glasses from Oakley. Can't comment on the riding ones other than some looked a bit like 100%.
Congrats Jesse on the Nationals result. RE Sungod in the UK, I've got two pairs from the last couple of years and they are good sunglasses. My first pair I got in 2020ish when they were still a new brand and cheap with full tint, and then got another less tinted pair (UK riding means I use the second pair 90% of the time...). They've been fairly big in the UK crit and national scene for a while having been titled sponsor of our biggest Conti team WiV Sungod (now AT85 Pro Cycling) for a few years. I think somebody has got behind the brand and pumped a load of marketing money behind it in the last 18 months, but they havent come from nowhere in the UK cycling scene and have been a prominent brand for a few years now
Opinion pieces are fine…It’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it. GCN has a definite niche and makes a significant contribution to cycling. Any promotion of cycling can be seen as a contribution of sorts. If something gets more people on their bikes…win-win! Great show, Chris and Jesse! Appreciate the honesty and the willingness to “regret” or take back what you might have said on any previous shows…stellar!
RE Rim Depth: it depends where you are. I live in the farm lands of Sacramento County, California. I ride through vineyards then along the river then along the nature preserve then back home. I have MANY different microclimates there and not a lot of turns. Deep wheels are a WAY better choice for me. River winds, winds over the vines made me see a real gain, even moving from 35s to 50s.
Just wanted to comment on the opinion stuff... One of the aspects I really enjoy about you two is the honest (good or bad) opinions you give on whatever subject it may be. It's natural you'll have regrets about some stuff looking back but as long as you're being fair and objective then I'd strongly encourage to keep doing that. One thing I dislike about a lot of other channels (even ones I really like) is the clear conscious thought not to say anything negative etc. Anyway, nice work as always gents and cracking finish by Jesse in the race, well played 👏
I am Glad you said what you did about Cam he is a true Pro a honest to God decent bloke and there are very few of you guys like that on youtube to many agendas love the chat on this video thanks guys.
I really like these podcasts with Jesse. Thought I was biased being local but comparatively, you guys are killing it. Perhaps you recall I spoke to you a few months ago in CP and said I'm loving the new format. Was just a quick hi and shout-out while riding. Don't be concerned about giving your opinion on matters. That's how you feel at the time. I can see how the permanence of the recorded vid and disgruntled comments can be annoying but for me, I think everyone moves on quickly and nothing wrong with revisiting things with new context and a change of mind. Jesse smashed Nationals too. Seriously legitimises the coaching and commentary.
My experience with deep wheels: they are slower on descends too…it happend often that i lost the group on downhills in races..so i tested my 55/65 wheels against a new 35mm wheelset on a 8min steep and curvy downhill…they dont just felt way saver i was so much faster comparing segments😅
I run a 33 mm deep wheel and pair it with a 28mm wide tire and I feel like that setup is scream n fast. I honestly feel in a bunch ride that I have to coast more compared to every one else because my tires and wheels are matched up bang on. And yes the acceleration helps a ton with with getting back on a wheel if needed. Excellent content and keep up the great work.
@@yarlon2014 have you tried to set up wheels and tires accordingly or are you just here to troll? I'm speaking from my personal experiences on a bike and testing 3 sets of wheels with 3 sets of tires.... maybe not scientific but there was a tangible difference between them.
Rode around that Nationals course too (recreationally). I had decided on rim brake with superlight 30mm wheels. Was super happy with the wheels given that you fly (draft) down the hills then need to brake fairly hard for the corners and then typically they kick up and you need to accelerate out of them. Wheels felt nimble and there was also enough wind to be happy to not have to fight that either. Rim brakes, I never thought I'd say this, but having to brake from doing nearly 80kmph to do a 90 degree turn, I would have preferred my disc brake bike. After several laps I also wished I'd gone for a bigger cassette on the back 🤣 As for post race blues, I always sign up for something else to look forward to. Doesn't need to be a major event, but just something a few months down the track that is fun or a nice hit out. HRV - I only pay attention to extremes, although they usually happen when sick or having raced very hard.
I rode the new bianchi oltre with the plastic things attached at the front on the weekend and what i noticed first was the slow acceleration and the heavy weight of the bike. I really wanted to buy it but after riding it, i went back to my Wilier zero slr. I think those full ass aero bikes will go away as fast as they came.
I wouldn’t say that HRV and Garmin suggested workouts are completely useless. I don’t have the luxury of having a coach so I use the suggested workouts and HRV a as a guide. My Garmin watch usually indicates low HRV for a reason - typically alcohol 😁or stress. If I had a thresh or VO2 sesh planned and HRV is in the toilet and Garmin is recommending a short base session then I would move that harder session to another day. For the general punters (me) I think it’s actually a useful feature if not taken too literally.
Great result from Jesse, getting back to race fitness after a long period in Europe is super motivating. Holding his own against some of the very best riders in the world. Nero keep giving, with Jay’s victory as well.
Sungod are well in the youtube/influencer space, Francis Cade, Lawrence Carpenter have a deal with them, also some of the former 8bar race team are still with Sungod. They are a British brand based in France, Ineos is a British owned company based largely out of France, its not much of a stretch to think Sir Jim is doing a nice for a UK start up. I think they are a lot more visible in Europe, their social media is less relevant when you have some of the big boys in cycling influencer space on board
Size, neuro power, aerobic power, fatigue resistance, recovery rate, handling, tactics, risk taking, etc. Elite amateurs have a few of these traits. World Tour pros have most or all of them. Ilnur Zakarin excepted.
Chris. I don't think that you are being negative about your opinions, you are just a very experienced cyclist and your topics are more advanced than some of the cycling community. I am new to the sport/hobby and for a newbie like me, GCN is helpful. It only takes watching three or four GCN videos and then come over to your videos to know that the GCN guys are addressing a certain niche of riders. They also know that they are probably reaching a larger population of cyclists that way too, because there are probably a lot of people who are new to this sport/hobby that might need "Playschool" level information before they become discerned/ seasoned cyclists who will finally make it to be more advanced riders who will benefit from YOUR content. I hope that you look at it that way. : )
Howdy gents. Excellent banter as always. I do have one nit to pick about the comment that it is probably difficult to measure the difference in acceleration of the deep section wheels. I would Arthur that the opposite is true. That is an undergraduate level physics problem as opposed the aerodynamics problem which is a post doctoral level one.
I light the challenge of riding uphill. My 2017 56cm Trek Edmonda, with Bontrager alloy wheels, with pedals, weighed a little over 6.8K when new. Now, wth a lightweight Yoleo 50mm wheelset, my bike is under 6.8K. Short of buying another super-light alloy wheelset, I feel I’ve got the best of both worlds, a lightweight bike frame and aero wheels.
I got my 1st pair of 65 mmeter deep windspace wheels And my opinion of them is you are giving up control for speed As I have went from never experiencing wind too wind controlling my ride
This is such a great conversation and discussion of topics. Particularly balancing work/life/cycling and that mental self talk. As I’m nearly 60 with assorted goals. Thank you!
Francis Cade videos with Sun God sunglasses were how I found about them but i think McLaren F1 using them will make them grow. Now with INEOS it will grow more. They look nice but I wear prescription transition Oakleys and wish there were better prescription options. Can't wear contacts unfortunately.
Had mid deep carbon at 45 now have a new set at 40mm. I won't go deeper, riding a lot of coastal Adelaide is pretty windy so 40mm is enough at 1390g with very light clinchers and tubes.
I had only just discovered Sungod and was was considering buying a pair of their sunglasses - until I discovered they sponsored Ineos. Dropped like a hot brick.
Love the show, please keep saying what you really think and ignore all Trek riders. So many RUclipsrs are selling out and pumping out product placements, stay true to yourselves 👍
Pro talent... cycling I think is one of the few sports where people believe that if they buy the best bike, train a bit more, they too would be elite. You would never say this about any other sport. You would never say if you just hit the gym, you would be an olympic weightlifter or rower or runner. Only cycling do people discount the pros. Pros are born with big lungs, amazing abilty to adapt, recover and process nutrition. A pro talent who has never looked at a bike will crush a 25 year veteran cyclist every day of the week. To put it in perspective, a good amatuer cyclist can hold 400w for 3 to 6 minutes a pro can hold 400w for 45 minutes... let that sink in.
Eeerrrr…no…I disagree with the earlier part of your statement….just by looking at a grand-tour schedule and parkour, 3 weeks, 19 stages, 200 km each, 3000-5000 elevation mostly back to back..even on an E-bike I know that I’ll neveeeeer get anywhere close to that
I have an Oura ring. I use the HRV and resting heart rate "direction", not the absolute value to determine if I've recovered enough to do my normal "hard" rides. Hrv going up, resting heart rate going down means I'm good. Otherwise I'd be riding only once a week. The damn thing is always finding some reason like temperature, sleep score, hrv, resting heart rate, etc. to say I need to rest.
I saw comments from a world tour team a few years ago saying they based bike setup on the decisive moments of the race. If there's a 10% climb at the end they'll focus on weight, because that's where the race will be won and lost and their leaders will never see the wind before that.
Yo Chris, just heard your take on "youtube regrets". TRANSPARENCY... I respect you/chris' genuineness in being open. Thank you for being transparent. It shows a level of vulnerability not seen in much of social media :)
Hi Guys. Really enjoying your content and the space you have found in providing your content. Different, refreshing. 2 guys genuinely sharing their thoughts and opinions. I see Ed Laverack played a snippet of your vlog on his channel. I also like the production values you have in the latest video. As an ex Balmain resident now living in Barcelona I am always on the look out for your next posting. Keep it you. You both work well together. Yes, Jessie I do watch your posting and really enjoyed the nats training post. Cheers guys and all the best
Thx guys great episode as always 👌. Regarding tracking HRV, I have the Oura ring and have been tracking my readiness and sleep score including HRV for over two years. I’d say is fairly accurate. On days when my HRV is down then I try do a base training ride. Having said this, still need to listen to the body since there so many other factors that play into how a person feels on a given day. By the way, I’m not a Whoop user but would highly recommend the Oura ring to anyone who is interested in tracking sleep & readiness including a slew of other metrics. Cheers & look forward to the next one 🙏
As a relative bike tech newbie I like options and discussions because I like learning; however, as an engineer I need a logical or technical reason for the opinion. I like this channel because you both seem to really think through what you're discussing. Also reviewing past mistakes increases credibility.
That was a great show! First, sartorially speaking, Jesse wins with the collared shirt. Chris, where did you find the XXS Jaguars jersey? Must be for kids. Did you change the lighting? Looks really nice. Talent exists on a spectrum, we all struggle with that. When you mention your 400watt watt FTP, Jesse, I wanna throw my bike into a bonfire. I am old, slow, do a fondo now and again and after every one I ask myself WHAT IN THE F ARE YOU DOING? Answer -I love to train, I love to eek out small gains. Finally, we are here for opinions. Not having an opinion is boring. Everyone is allowed to have one, to be wrong, to have regrets.
Really loving the podcast fellas. I like that you both have interesting takes on aspects of cycling, can articulate these really well and makes me question my own opinions (e.g. rim depth discussion). Keep up the good work and I'll be listening!
i'd definitely back a move towards M-frame pro style glasses. I wore them for years both playing cricket and riding bikes. I hate the "cycling" fashion of enormous lenses.
I am unapologetically a "steel is real" "troglodyte," and I'm glad to see you younger guys finally accepting that lower weight accelerates faster and has a tangible benefit in this sport. Yes, I realize that contradiction in itself, but I'm glad all of the aerodynamicists out int eh cycling world are finally being forced to grapple with Newton's Second Law. Don't get me wrong, I have 33s, 58s, and 86s'. But I've always been skeptical of the marketing bollocks and recognized the situations where the 33s offer the most gain. Dragging that extra weight up a hill 16 times burns matches. Revving up that extra weight out of a corner 400 times burns matches. Fighting the crosswinds with a larger profile burns matches.
Secondly, I think Jesse hits on another point that, I think he's slightly wrong, but points to the bigger problem with the data. You absolutely CAN measure the acceleration "out of a corner" with the right equipment...but the industry doesn't. Or refuses to because they know the data it would produce would undercut everything about their aero sales pitch. And YES, WEIGHT MATTERS. Even on the flat. Because you still have to move that excess weight.
Tom Anhalt did testing and found that humans accelerate WAY to slow for wheel weight to make a difference in acceleration. He added up to 1lb of weight at the wheel and found no difference. He has some great info out there and has been on a lot of cycling podcasts. Also, he doesn't work for any cycling companies so I hold his findings pretty highly.
There is a difference between opinions that are well thought out and hot takes just to get clicks. You're the former. Even the GCN rant was well thought out and was actually spot on.
Definitely don’t give em enough credit for his good they are. I watched kristoff lull himself to get over the climbs every lap in Wollongong then was still in with a chance at the end. The mental strength the top guys have is awesome
Interesting podcast. I think there is that grey area in higher level amateur sport where you edge towards the professional ranks and you have to decide on the cost reward benefits of taking things further and have a resealable idea of your upper limits of potential. Having got to a high enough level in Cricket, triathlon & cycling to rub shoulder with the pro's there is obviously a spectrum of ability from those at the very top to those that can make a decent living to those that struggle to get the next contract. Each rung up looks attainable but ultimately there is a limit. On the bike front Specialized etc sets the market price. If they drop a bike at an increased price and it still sells, then if their competitors don't match it, then it is almost suggesting they think their bike isn't as good. So the whole market gets dragged up another level. The question really is how much better are the materials being used, the QC/ tolerances, build method, or design / ride?
Post target race: take a break. Don't even look at your bike for at least a week. Focus on everything else in your life that has been neglected while you were focusing on your event.
Super result from Jesse at Nationals considering he was racing some top World Tour riders
Absolutely
@@ChrisMillerCycling BTW Sungod is a British company hence the INEOS link.
guys I would argue Jesse exceeded the pros as he had no professional team backing/entourage, euro program, nutritionist, masseuse etc etc. yet held his own in the race. comparatively there was 1 pro rider in the breakaway with 4 support riders back in the group and he ended up dnf, yet Jesse finished - think that team wished they had him for the day. that's talent plain and simple. put a team around jc and reckon he'd thrive. genes will get you so far between the ears is what counts!
@@sharonmoller7414 I thought they were British too, but the main office/site is in Switzerland
Great Video!
About the wheel acceleration - you can calculate the difference of the moment of inertia and from this the difference in the rotational energy when accelerating. I did a quick calculation between a typical winspace 38mm and 60mm set of wheels (~230g difference in weight). The difference in moment of inertia is ~0.13 kg*m^2. In a acceleration from 25 km/h to 40 km/h the difference in rotational energy is 11.6 J and for a 5 second acceleration period this corresponds to ~2 watt difference.
Edit: To be precise the difference in kinetic energy due to the additional weight needs to be considered as well (8.7 Joules).
-> The total difference in power is about 4 watt.
4w over the whole acceleration right the whole 5seconds? About what I thought even a 4 corner crit say 1km over 1h avging 50km/h =800w for the race around. 13w/min or 0.2w per second less that you would avg due to all of the accelerations in the race. Or the other way if they are all 5sec accelerations it's only about 1w/sec for each second of the acceleration. So maybe the difference between 500w and 499w 🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for putting the maths to it. I also thought it was more of the winspace feeling more responsive somehow compared to his other wheels than the 38mm winspace really being very different to the 50mm winspace
@@Dvlnerocoach I am not sure that I understand your question... but let me try to answer anyhow. Watt = joule/second or put in other words power is energy per time. During the acceleration period it is really a 4 watt difference. For example, lets say your system weight is about 80 kg - to accelerate from 25 km/h to 40 km/h you will need an energy of ~3000 J. If you want to accelerate within 5 seconds you hence need to do ~600 W. The difference due to the wheels would then be 600W vs 604W, which is ~0.7%.
@@Paganizondaf650 I agree. But, the difference in his case is 550g, so probably ~10W in the acceleration out of corners. Also, like Jesse said, if you are in the draft you don't care too much about the aerodynamics anymore and the weight difference also matters on the climbs. This is the reason that you don't see super deep rims at the TdF. I also have the theory that wheels are getting shallower with disc brakes becoming the norm to get the weight down to the limit of 6.8 kg. In big mountain stages the weight will be more important, but even in this case you will always go for the deepest possible wheel that allows you to stay at the 6.8 kg.
I have known the Niro channel for a while, but never connected with it until the last year or so. Jesse is a big part of this change, I think the channel is now heading in a very unique direction and offers a very different product that is not offered in many other cycling channels.
Thanks guys
agree
It just feels like the most real podcast. Like legit opinions and experience, not what sponsors want them to say
As a nearly 50yr old if I was you I'd keep up the cycling while you're still young and at your peak. You'll have lots of time in a few yrs to be old and slow and concentrate on just your business.
I love a good opinion, not enough of it. Or maybe a better word is honesty. There is not enough honesty out there! Bring it in guys 👍
I absolutely loved my Enve 8.9s I had on my CAAD12, but I also lived in a pancake flat area. Now I live in the hills, I ride 35mm wheels with compact gearing and love it.
Loved the video - couple of points (cos I cant help but have thoughts):
1. on the shallow v deep you are absolutely right in thinking it relates to race strategy - but for non pro's (or some rouleurs perhaps) its also body weight/size related. Im 192cm and 90kg, 500 gm extra on wheels is neither here nor there. Likewise riding in a group I don't get a lot of draft from 80% of people out there so spend a lot of time on the front - aero trumps weight every day.
2. pro's v amateurs. On the idea that at the very top these are just different - 100% agree. Quick story from triathlon - there was a kid, bit of a surfer but not much else, had zero training under his belt, started doing a bit of riding, then added some running, dropped 10kg almost instantly and within a year went from the couch to matching pro times as a teenager - this kid was Kaiden Lieto, the son of triathlon great Chris Lieto - at the very top you need the right genetics.
3. Hype on bikes - agree but what you are also seeing in pretty much every field is the very top (cars, cameras, watches, bikes) pulling away from the middle in price. There are a lot of people out there with a lot of money to spend - if there are 100,000 people in the world of 7,000,000,000 willing to spend 20k on a bike companies will make 20k bikes.
4. Post race depression - exceptionally common and would be made worse by Jesse wondering "am I still a competitive cyclist?" When your focus is on an outcome (do nationals, finish an Ironman etc) rather than an identity (be a nationals level cyclist, be an Ironman triathlete) then the achievement of the outcome is often the start of a period of depression.
5. You are 100% correct that few people are good at opinions (actually I think you guys are and should keep it up). The problem is most people confuse beliefs/prejudices with opinions and therefore lump all opinions in the same bucket. An opinion is an idea founded on a fact and built up with logic, it can always be explained, argued, debated, disproved or at least weighed as good or bad (based on the facts it uses or logic it relies on). A belief/prejudice is just whatever pops into my head and usually has less to do with any facts or logic but how you wish the world was. Most people don't have the stomach (or brain power) to form, express or engage with real opinions.
Love these shows. I have never jumped on the aero wheel bandwagon. Especially where I live in Southern California, it gets VERY windy (they will literally shut off our power for days at a time due to the wind) and I love climbing my local mountains. I spent minimal money on some superteam 50mm, and jeez the wind moves the bike a lot. Not a good feeling when you're descending at 50mph. I stick to 30mm or less wheels!
Jesse, going for big goals like Nationals really builds your credibility as a coach I reckon. Congrats with Nationals too. That was a super impressive effort to last the full race too.
As a side note I have found the content on this channel has become more interesting to me at least in the past few months, not sure if there was an intentional change in direction or not but have clicked on videos here and there over the past year or two but the last few months I've found more often than not I'm watching the whole thing.
I got out of racing for 2 primary reasons: I saw that all my results based highs and lows would never allow me to find sustainable, long term happiness, and I got to know too many people who seemingly forewent relationships and careers for racing until they were no longer relevant on a bike at which point they no longer had the relevant capital to foster and develop what they'd deprioritized. But I certainly also knew others who were better at finding balance so...
Catching up on old episodes after recently discovering this channel. Great stuff! Thanks 🙏
I would say Hambini carved out a really good RUclips space for opinions on the industry and it’s most definitely not boring to watch.
Jesse. Great wrap up from Nats. Mental health/life priorities and bike riding have a lot in common. Kudos
I like opinion when it is based on personal experience. So when you talk about racing for example, based on personal experience running the race, that to me is content gold. Thanks for sharing
more titanium bike vs carbon race bike please....that was a serious eye opener from someone who did fall for all the marketing....Real Talk id probably buy that awesome looking aero bike just because of the pure aesthetics of it. (when i can afford it)...but at least content like that puts into perspective purchase decisions.
By far the most interesting in-depth chat about cycling I‘ve listened to in a while. Especially the part on the mental aspects. You should do a whole show on this, in some way it should be part of the whole ‚marginal gains‘ discussion.
Easily the best, honest discussion of cycling from the start at wheel depth. You guys are setting a very high standard for others to try and equal. Thank you for the insights and opinions.
If plapp can win on both deep and shallow rims then surely it doesn't matter what you run.
I think sunnies are just going back to a 'normal' size. The big goggles was just a faze.
FYI : Yesterday's GCN video featured Alex doing a crit in Adelaide. A rider wearing Nero Coaching bibs was caught on the GoPro for a few seconds, around the 6:45 mark.
The branding synergy long game is finally coming together, don't know how I was blind to this Nero masterplan for so long...
Don't underestimate the comfort and optical quality of SunGod's cycling glasses. I took a bit of a chance on them about 18 months ago and am about to buy my 3rd set. I've stopped wearing my Oakley collection and I don't get paid to do that like G does! 🤣...
If you want 'smaller sunnies', have a look at their running glasses.
Great video, I think that acceleration benefit of the shallow wheels is super important. Bike racing is continuous accelerations.
I get a short period of depression after each big goal. Usually it’s work, but also cycling goals. I’ve come to know it’s going to happen and accept it. Just knowing it’s going to happen helps a lot. I try and give myself space after or as I’m getting close to the event, start preparing for another goal. If I have something I’m already planning before the big project or event, it helps me disengage from the result and often helps me do better.
The pursuit and progress is fulfilling, fulfillment from a result often doesn’t come until months or even years later.
Thanks for another great video. Chris and Jesse are now providing the best cycling content on RUclips. The deep section rim conversation is very interesting. I saw that Remco won the Worlds on 32mm Roval rims. You didn’t mention crosswind stability. I’m not sure if this is a common concern, but my experience with deep section rims absolutely sucked. I was holding on for dear life every time that strong crosswind blew across.
The honesty the two of you demonstrate in your approach to this show is appreciated. I think the problem in society at present is the lack of ability for many out there to view your expression of opinion as simply your opinion, to which you are completely entitled. Rather they take it as an attack on their own opinion and get their hackles up and hiss back at you because they can’t accept that others feel differently than they do about that particular topic. But I also applaud your ability to withstand the blowback from your shared opinions and still continue to post another show after reading some comments. Takes guts and thick skin today to do so.
great chat guys.
thanks to Jesse for opening up about metal health post event. i think most people knew exactly what he meant
also.... DDDUUUUVVVAAAALLLLL
The whole Specialized thing with the bike, you have to say whoever came up with the Sworks on the frame of the top end bikes is a genius. I don’t want to spend the money for one but at the same time want an Sworks frame and couldn’t buy the one that just says specialized on it 🤦🏻♂️ haha Radom thought.
Sungod are a UK company that fits the Ineos sponsorship. They have sponsored UK domestic / conti teams like Ribble & Wiv Sungod that compete in the UK premier calendar including the televised town centre crit series. They had a reasonable if less well known niche in the UK cycling market for decent sunnies at a reasonable price, though have moved on price wise to a higher bracket. I have some of their casual glasses (our team has a sponsor for riding glasses), and they are comparable to similar glasses from Oakley. Can't comment on the riding ones other than some looked a bit like 100%.
Interesting chat about the post ride/goal blues. JackUltraCyclist discussed it in his latest vlog- well worth a look.
Congrats Jesse on the Nationals result. RE Sungod in the UK, I've got two pairs from the last couple of years and they are good sunglasses. My first pair I got in 2020ish when they were still a new brand and cheap with full tint, and then got another less tinted pair (UK riding means I use the second pair 90% of the time...). They've been fairly big in the UK crit and national scene for a while having been titled sponsor of our biggest Conti team WiV Sungod (now AT85 Pro Cycling) for a few years. I think somebody has got behind the brand and pumped a load of marketing money behind it in the last 18 months, but they havent come from nowhere in the UK cycling scene and have been a prominent brand for a few years now
Plus they just crowndfunded for £3mil (I know as I bought shares), maybe they spunked that on the Ineos sponsorship 😂
Sungod is registered in verbier switzerland
Opinion pieces are fine…It’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it. GCN has a definite niche and makes a significant contribution to cycling. Any promotion of cycling can be seen as a contribution of sorts. If something gets more people on their bikes…win-win!
Great show, Chris and Jesse! Appreciate the honesty and the willingness to “regret” or take back what you might have said on any previous shows…stellar!
RE Rim Depth: it depends where you are. I live in the farm lands of Sacramento County, California. I ride through vineyards then along the river then along the nature preserve then back home.
I have MANY different microclimates there and not a lot of turns. Deep wheels are a WAY better choice for me. River winds, winds over the vines made me see a real gain, even moving from 35s to 50s.
Another great video ! Don’t change a thing , your opinions and info are what make your channel different. And that’s because your being you !
Just wanted to comment on the opinion stuff...
One of the aspects I really enjoy about you two is the honest (good or bad) opinions you give on whatever subject it may be. It's natural you'll have regrets about some stuff looking back but as long as you're being fair and objective then I'd strongly encourage to keep doing that. One thing I dislike about a lot of other channels (even ones I really like) is the clear conscious thought not to say anything negative etc.
Anyway, nice work as always gents and cracking finish by Jesse in the race, well played 👏
Top Performance Jesse !
I am Glad you said what you did about Cam he is a true Pro a honest to God decent bloke and there are very few of you guys like that on youtube to many agendas love the chat on this video thanks guys.
Come back to shallow wheels? I never left 😎
I am still using my Mavic rsys slr with 1245 grams 💪
I really like these podcasts with Jesse. Thought I was biased being local but comparatively, you guys are killing it. Perhaps you recall I spoke to you a few months ago in CP and said I'm loving the new format. Was just a quick hi and shout-out while riding. Don't be concerned about giving your opinion on matters. That's how you feel at the time. I can see how the permanence of the recorded vid and disgruntled comments can be annoying but for me, I think everyone moves on quickly and nothing wrong with revisiting things with new context and a change of mind. Jesse smashed Nationals too. Seriously legitimises the coaching and commentary.
My experience with deep wheels: they are slower on descends too…it happend often that i lost the group on downhills in races..so i tested my 55/65 wheels against a new 35mm wheelset on a 8min steep and curvy downhill…they dont just felt way saver i was so much faster comparing segments😅
I run a 33 mm deep wheel and pair it with a 28mm wide tire and I feel like that setup is scream n fast. I honestly feel in a bunch ride that I have to coast more compared to every one else because my tires and wheels are matched up bang on. And yes the acceleration helps a ton with with getting back on a wheel if needed. Excellent content and keep up the great work.
Its nice but You are greatly overrating the savings we are talking about.
@@yarlon2014 have you tried to set up wheels and tires accordingly or are you just here to troll? I'm speaking from my personal experiences on a bike and testing 3 sets of wheels with 3 sets of tires.... maybe not scientific but there was a tangible difference between them.
Very informative podcast this one! May I add my comment/request for more titanium bike comparisons and tests?
Awesome ride Jesse, was sick watching you in the bunch all the way from the US!
Re: Mavic aero strips. Don’t forget Jumbo used some kind of silicone sealant at the rim/tire interface last season.
Yes! I’m not crazy riding shallow wheels.
Just found this channel a couple of weeks ago and next to the lantern rouge podcast, my new favorite cycling podcast.
Agree about weight vs Aero - saving watts on a crucial climb can be more important than the long term average saving well below threshold anyway
I'm a bit of a covid baby myself and I run 35s. But I do all my riding in the Adelaide Hills so that's an easy choice to make
Great episode, I only discovered you guys recently and love the honesty and actual opinions - don’t let a few bad reactions get to you!
Agree. It’s so refreshing to see such great content straight to the point without any GCN type fluff.
Rode around that Nationals course too (recreationally). I had decided on rim brake with superlight 30mm wheels. Was super happy with the wheels given that you fly (draft) down the hills then need to brake fairly hard for the corners and then typically they kick up and you need to accelerate out of them. Wheels felt nimble and there was also enough wind to be happy to not have to fight that either. Rim brakes, I never thought I'd say this, but having to brake from doing nearly 80kmph to do a 90 degree turn, I would have preferred my disc brake bike. After several laps I also wished I'd gone for a bigger cassette on the back 🤣 As for post race blues, I always sign up for something else to look forward to. Doesn't need to be a major event, but just something a few months down the track that is fun or a nice hit out. HRV - I only pay attention to extremes, although they usually happen when sick or having raced very hard.
I rode the new bianchi oltre with the plastic things attached at the front on the weekend and what i noticed first was the slow acceleration and the heavy weight of the bike. I really wanted to buy it but after riding it, i went back to my Wilier zero slr. I think those full ass aero bikes will go away as fast as they came.
I wouldn’t say that HRV and Garmin suggested workouts are completely useless. I don’t have the luxury of having a coach so I use the suggested workouts and HRV a as a guide. My Garmin watch usually indicates low HRV for a reason - typically alcohol 😁or stress. If I had a thresh or VO2 sesh planned and HRV is in the toilet and Garmin is recommending a short base session then I would move that harder session to another day. For the general punters (me) I think it’s actually a useful feature if not taken too literally.
Great result from Jesse, getting back to race fitness after a long period in Europe is super motivating. Holding his own against some of the very best riders in the world. Nero keep giving, with Jay’s victory as well.
Sungod are well in the youtube/influencer space, Francis Cade, Lawrence Carpenter have a deal with them, also some of the former 8bar race team are still with Sungod. They are a British brand based in France, Ineos is a British owned company based largely out of France, its not much of a stretch to think Sir Jim is doing a nice for a UK start up. I think they are a lot more visible in Europe, their social media is less relevant when you have some of the big boys in cycling influencer space on board
Of all the 'stuff' on the internet, this is the only thing I watch from start to finish without skipping. Love it!
Size, neuro power, aerobic power, fatigue resistance, recovery rate, handling, tactics, risk taking, etc. Elite amateurs have a few of these traits. World Tour pros have most or all of them. Ilnur Zakarin excepted.
Chris. I don't think that you are being negative about your opinions, you are just a very experienced cyclist and your topics are more advanced than some of the cycling community. I am new to the sport/hobby and for a newbie like me, GCN is helpful. It only takes watching three or four GCN videos and then come over to your videos to know that the GCN guys are addressing a certain niche of riders. They also know that they are probably reaching a larger population of cyclists that way too, because there are probably a lot of people who are new to this sport/hobby that might need "Playschool" level information before they become discerned/ seasoned cyclists who will finally make it to be more advanced riders who will benefit from YOUR content. I hope that you look at it that way. : )
Howdy gents. Excellent banter as always. I do have one nit to pick about the comment that it is probably difficult to measure the difference in acceleration of the deep section wheels. I would Arthur that the opposite is true. That is an undergraduate level physics problem as opposed the aerodynamics problem which is a post doctoral level one.
Fulcrum zero is my training front wheel. It does spin up nice.
I light the challenge of riding uphill. My 2017 56cm Trek Edmonda, with Bontrager alloy wheels, with pedals, weighed a little over 6.8K when new.
Now, wth a lightweight Yoleo 50mm wheelset, my bike is under 6.8K.
Short of buying another super-light alloy wheelset, I feel I’ve got the best of both worlds, a lightweight bike frame and aero wheels.
Excellent content. excellent result for Jesse, very interesting reference the 30 mm rims
I got my 1st pair of 65 mmeter deep windspace wheels And my opinion of them is you are giving up control for speed As I have went from never experiencing wind too wind controlling my ride
This is such a great conversation and discussion of topics. Particularly balancing work/life/cycling and that mental self talk. As I’m nearly 60 with assorted goals. Thank you!
Keep pushing on, JC! Let's see you win some NRS races.
5:00 Ooh, that wheel overlap couldn't have ended well
Francis Cade videos with Sun God sunglasses were how I found about them but i think McLaren F1 using them will make them grow. Now with INEOS it will grow more. They look nice but I wear prescription transition Oakleys and wish there were better prescription options. Can't wear contacts unfortunately.
Had mid deep carbon at 45 now have a new set at 40mm. I won't go deeper, riding a lot of coastal Adelaide is pretty windy so 40mm is enough at 1390g with very light clinchers and tubes.
I had only just discovered Sungod and was was considering buying a pair of their sunglasses - until I discovered they sponsored Ineos. Dropped like a hot brick.
Love the show, please keep saying what you really think and ignore all Trek riders. So many RUclipsrs are selling out and pumping out product placements, stay true to yourselves 👍
@4:29, I love listening to Jesse explain things....so many little caveats before he gets to the point lol
Pro talent... cycling I think is one of the few sports where people believe that if they buy the best bike, train a bit more, they too would be elite. You would never say this about any other sport. You would never say if you just hit the gym, you would be an olympic weightlifter or rower or runner. Only cycling do people discount the pros. Pros are born with big lungs, amazing abilty to adapt, recover and process nutrition. A pro talent who has never looked at a bike will crush a 25 year veteran cyclist every day of the week. To put it in perspective, a good amatuer cyclist can hold 400w for 3 to 6 minutes a pro can hold 400w for 45 minutes... let that sink in.
Eeerrrr…no…I disagree with the earlier part of your statement….just by looking at a grand-tour schedule and parkour, 3 weeks, 19 stages, 200 km each, 3000-5000 elevation mostly back to back..even on an E-bike I know that I’ll neveeeeer get anywhere close to that
So true. I have friends who always buy the latest gear. Save a gram or 3 and expect to challenge the Tour
Are you saying I shouldn't cut out 🍕 and 🍺 from mu training regiment??? 🤔 😀
Any idea why this is true?
A local legend 38 year old with a few years as a pro crushed everyone, except two young guys, with a bike with downtube gearing 😮.
I have an Oura ring. I use the HRV and resting heart rate "direction", not the absolute value to determine if I've recovered enough to do my normal "hard" rides. Hrv going up, resting heart rate going down means I'm good. Otherwise I'd be riding only once a week. The damn thing is always finding some reason like temperature, sleep score, hrv, resting heart rate, etc. to say I need to rest.
I saw comments from a world tour team a few years ago saying they based bike setup on the decisive moments of the race. If there's a 10% climb at the end they'll focus on weight, because that's where the race will be won and lost and their leaders will never see the wind before that.
Yo Chris, just heard your take on "youtube regrets". TRANSPARENCY... I respect you/chris' genuineness in being open. Thank you for being transparent. It shows a level of vulnerability not seen in much of social media :)
Hi Guys. Really enjoying your content and the space you have found in providing your content. Different, refreshing. 2 guys genuinely sharing their thoughts and opinions. I see Ed Laverack played a snippet of your vlog on his channel. I also like the production values you have in the latest video. As an ex Balmain resident now living in Barcelona I am always on the look out for your next posting. Keep it you. You both work well together. Yes, Jessie I do watch your posting and really enjoyed the nats training post. Cheers guys and all the best
Sorry Jesse not ......
Thx guys great episode as always 👌. Regarding tracking HRV, I have the Oura ring and have been tracking my readiness and sleep score including HRV for over two years. I’d say is fairly accurate. On days when my HRV is down then I try do a base training ride. Having said this, still need to listen to the body since there so many other factors that play into how a person feels on a given day. By the way, I’m not a Whoop user but would highly recommend the Oura ring to anyone who is interested in tracking sleep & readiness including a slew of other metrics. Cheers & look forward to the next one 🙏
Had Whoop... binned it. There was virtually no point in it, totally agree with Jesse 👍
As a relative bike tech newbie I like options and discussions because I like learning; however, as an engineer I need a logical or technical reason for the opinion. I like this channel because you both seem to really think through what you're discussing. Also reviewing past mistakes increases credibility.
Really enjoyed listening to this chat. Thanks. 😀
And how much do you save riding a 6.8kg (like Tarmac SL7) bike compared to a 7.5kg bike (like the Madone)?
That was a great show!
First, sartorially speaking, Jesse wins with the collared shirt. Chris, where did you find the XXS Jaguars jersey? Must be for kids.
Did you change the lighting? Looks really nice.
Talent exists on a spectrum, we all struggle with that. When you mention your 400watt watt FTP, Jesse, I wanna throw my bike into a bonfire. I am old, slow, do a fondo now and again and after every one I ask myself WHAT IN THE F ARE YOU DOING? Answer -I love to train, I love to eek out small gains.
Finally, we are here for opinions. Not having an opinion is boring. Everyone is allowed to have one, to be wrong, to have regrets.
As a Jacksonville, FL native I appreciate the Jags Jersey!
A light front wheel just feels nicer and easier to control too.
Really loving the podcast fellas. I like that you both have interesting takes on aspects of cycling, can articulate these really well and makes me question my own opinions (e.g. rim depth discussion). Keep up the good work and I'll be listening!
Thanks guys, great chat. Will be great if you could include topics around nutrition like ketones etc in the next round.
My journey....Std alloy wheels -> C60s -> Fulcrum Zeros -> Winspace R33
i'd definitely back a move towards M-frame pro style glasses. I wore them for years both playing cricket and riding bikes. I hate the "cycling" fashion of enormous lenses.
I am unapologetically a "steel is real" "troglodyte," and I'm glad to see you younger guys finally accepting that lower weight accelerates faster and has a tangible benefit in this sport. Yes, I realize that contradiction in itself, but I'm glad all of the aerodynamicists out int eh cycling world are finally being forced to grapple with Newton's Second Law. Don't get me wrong, I have 33s, 58s, and 86s'. But I've always been skeptical of the marketing bollocks and recognized the situations where the 33s offer the most gain. Dragging that extra weight up a hill 16 times burns matches. Revving up that extra weight out of a corner 400 times burns matches. Fighting the crosswinds with a larger profile burns matches.
Secondly, I think Jesse hits on another point that, I think he's slightly wrong, but points to the bigger problem with the data. You absolutely CAN measure the acceleration "out of a corner" with the right equipment...but the industry doesn't. Or refuses to because they know the data it would produce would undercut everything about their aero sales pitch. And YES, WEIGHT MATTERS. Even on the flat. Because you still have to move that excess weight.
Alba optics are the best? Maybe worth an honest review in the next ep?
Guys, can you comment on Bling (Mathews) not following Plapp just 1km to go, was he at is max and was unable to follow ?
@Jesse - another way to think about it is if you get some really top results that will help your business in the future.
Tom Anhalt did testing and found that humans accelerate WAY to slow for wheel weight to make a difference in acceleration. He added up to 1lb of weight at the wheel and found no difference.
He has some great info out there and has been on a lot of cycling podcasts. Also, he doesn't work for any cycling companies so I hold his findings pretty highly.
Incredible result Jesse!! Just curious to why going pro is off the cards? You seem at a level where making the next step could be a reality.
He did video about this on his chanel.
You can get 50mm wheels in the ~1300gm range from Elite. Have both aero and lower moment of inertia for acceleration. Best of both worlds.
My next bike(hopefully next year) will have these wheels.
And dura ace
@@dickieblench5001 not worth the extra $1000 USD over Ultegra.
There is a difference between opinions that are well thought out and hot takes just to get clicks. You're the former. Even the GCN rant was well thought out and was actually spot on.
GCN has run-out of content, a long time ago!
Definitely don’t give em enough credit for his good they are. I watched kristoff lull himself to get over the climbs every lap in Wollongong then was still in with a chance at the end. The mental strength the top guys have is awesome
Chapeau for nats results guys!
Thanks kris
Interesting podcast. I think there is that grey area in higher level amateur sport where you edge towards the professional ranks and you have to decide on the cost reward benefits of taking things further and have a resealable idea of your upper limits of potential. Having got to a high enough level in Cricket, triathlon & cycling to rub shoulder with the pro's there is obviously a spectrum of ability from those at the very top to those that can make a decent living to those that struggle to get the next contract. Each rung up looks attainable but ultimately there is a limit. On the bike front Specialized etc sets the market price. If they drop a bike at an increased price and it still sells, then if their competitors don't match it, then it is almost suggesting they think their bike isn't as good. So the whole market gets dragged up another level. The question really is how much better are the materials being used, the QC/ tolerances, build method, or design / ride?
Post target race: take a break. Don't even look at your bike for at least a week. Focus on everything else in your life that has been neglected while you were focusing on your event.
Keep the opinions. They're awesome. Who cares what we think, it's your channel. Keep it real.