I don't think IDing and age restricting books would work. Much as it seems great on paper - age itself is no longer representative of an individual's maturity. It's not just teenagers you have to worry about. Anyone with a warped lens or an individual who suffers from mental health issues may take these fictional books meant merely for entertainment purposes and seek out a partner who is toxic because like you say they are interpreting this terrible behaviour as 'passionate love'. I think it would be beneficial if with every book resources were provided where abuse charities provided links and Colleen herself plugged awareness on how those representative in her books are fictionalised versions of the types of partners she wishes people would avoid. Maybe that's what she's trying to do in writing these books?. But it seems she herself is executing it in a warped fashion.
In germany, many bookstores have an age waring and cashiers often ask for the customors age if they think the person buying the book is under that age :) ofcoure parents can still buy their children/teens books but (in for example Thalia) the staff will often warn people if they mention buying the book for their child ! Anyway, I completly agree with you, the formatting was nice and it didn't get boring (I haven't taken my adhd meds yet ) definatly going to check out your channel! :D
"They say she's sold more copies than the Bible ..." Pretty bold claim for someone who's not a household name. Agatha Christie and Stephen King have actually sold more copies than the Bible, and as such, everybody knows who they are. Hoover is a no-name compared to those two.
Hi Alex, you're a good presenter. But either you're microphone isn't catching you properly or else there's an editing issue to resolve. After coming in from some other videos, I had to really increase the volume to begin hearing you.
Now-a-days, people want to read fast just to brag about the amout of books they've read and to pose as a "reader" on tiktok. There are many classic books that have real values and are age appropriate for teens, yet they are beeing "groomed" into reading adult content that screws with their minds instead of helping them grow. By the way, English is not my first language, so ignore any possible mistakes.
"you can't have one without the other" I disagree strongly with this one. You can imply that something is wrong without giving elementary school'ish examples of the moral good. It's about how things are framed, and that happen also with dialogue or narration.
I think that content warnings work best when accompanied by a comprehensive disclaimer from the author. Because they only cover topics, and rarely - the way these topic are going to be presented. And in entertainment, especially with heavy topics in entertainment, it is important to help the audience engage with these things safely. In case of Colleen Hoover's first-person narrators, there is another complicated issue: the narrator is unreliable, but the author doesn't see that. For an inexperienced reader, it might be impossible to tell that the author is "wrong", when the character reacts (wildly out of character, following author's whim) to things we never saw before with emotions that contradict the situation. Such as, every moment in November 9 that characters see as romantic.
i read it ends with us at 14, it was so overwhelming and overall horrible to read. all of her books are the same, half-baked “romance” stories that romanticizes horrible things 😬
My mom told her my name so that she could use it in a story. The girl in Colleen's book was as my mom says "a sl*t and not a good person" plus my mom also wants me to watch It Ends With Us movie tomorrow (Sun, Sep 29, 2024 is my tomorrow)
Good video essay! :) It is a complicated problem... I don't want certain subject matter to be taken out from books but it is the way it is portrayed that matters. Bad things happen in relationships and it is okay and even important to show that, but it is then crucial to make clear that the behaviour is not good behaviour, and prevent young people to romanticize it. I have a similar issue with certain films. My niece (12) loves horror films and my sister and I often watch horror films with her. All these films have a 16+ age restriction in the cinema, but some of the films of the After series (which feature toxic relationships from what I've heard) are 12+ (here in the Netherlands) and thus accessible for my niece. In my opinion we need to ask ourselves what is potentially more harmful to watch. Yes there is violence and scary beings in horror films but at least it is explicit (i'm not saying that it needs to be 12+ per se). Some other 'suitable' films show things that are more subtle: there might be no sex or explicit violence but the way the characters interact with one another and how the film engages with this might make young people glorify toxic relationships for example.
I bought. it ends with us and my brother bought, it starts with us and i haven't completed either but i don't hate the novel but I'm not in love with it maybe i shouldn't make an opinion so early but i will fill you in after i finsh both books 😊.
Thank you about talking how her books are problematic romantize toxic abuse relasionship, i'm french, i saw just plenty of praises of her book to denounce abuse relationship, that's a problem when her books romantize abuse relationship but many view as denounciation of abuse relationship... just one french booktuber mention about how her book romantize abuse! One critic in french community With plenty of praises of her book...
Good video, but please hold mic still and not so close to your mouth as it is catching your exhale on Ps rather harshly, and raise video volume overall please, thank you.
There's no such thing as "Toxic Masculinity". That's like saying "Toxic virtue" or ""Dependent independence", it's an oxymoron. Just call her out for her terrible writing that glorifies or fetishizes harm on women (or rather address her "Toxic Femininity"). These buzz words literally make no sense and just divide us further.
Love me some CH hate. But girl, how are you going to keep that expensive mic on your face and yet have such bad sound quality? 😭 Just record with a apple earphone mic x
I think a good solution could just be like a trigger warning/psa at the beginning of a book that discusses possibly triggering or controversial issues like this. I think Hoover could definitely handle the topics she writes about with a lot more care but at the end of the day it is only a story.
I'm beyond surprised how nobody on YT is talking about her son asking a minor for n*des, and when the girl reached out to colleen, she blocked her
What happens in the dark will come to light. She and her son will have their P. Diddy moment.
No wait I heard that he r@ped a minor and coho sided with her son and tried to silence the girl??
16+ at least and a trigger warning to warn against the harms of these topics!
I don't think IDing and age restricting books would work. Much as it seems great on paper - age itself is no longer representative of an individual's maturity. It's not just teenagers you have to worry about. Anyone with a warped lens or an individual who suffers from mental health issues may take these fictional books meant merely for entertainment purposes and seek out a partner who is toxic because like you say they are interpreting this terrible behaviour as 'passionate love'. I think it would be beneficial if with every book resources were provided where abuse charities provided links and Colleen herself plugged awareness on how those representative in her books are fictionalised versions of the types of partners she wishes people would avoid. Maybe that's what she's trying to do in writing these books?. But it seems she herself is executing it in a warped fashion.
Exploiting trauma for personal gain is a proven formula for success in what passes for arts and letters in America.
In germany, many bookstores have an age waring and cashiers often ask for the customors age if they think the person buying the book is under that age :) ofcoure parents can still buy their children/teens books but (in for example Thalia) the staff will often warn people if they mention buying the book for their child ! Anyway, I completly agree with you, the formatting was nice and it didn't get boring (I haven't taken my adhd meds yet ) definatly going to check out your channel! :D
"They say she's sold more copies than the Bible ..." Pretty bold claim for someone who's not a household name. Agatha Christie and Stephen King have actually sold more copies than the Bible, and as such, everybody knows who they are. Hoover is a no-name compared to those two.
I think it's only true for the USA for THAT year
It is true though… she sold more copies that year. And if you’re a reader especially a romance reader, you know who she is.
Hi Alex, you're a good presenter. But either you're microphone isn't catching you properly or else there's an editing issue to resolve. After coming in from some other videos, I had to really increase the volume to begin hearing you.
my *high school* has several Colleen Hoover books in our romance section :(
lmao
Now-a-days, people want to read fast just to brag about the amout of books they've read and to pose as a "reader" on tiktok.
There are many classic books that have real values and are age appropriate for teens, yet they are beeing "groomed" into reading adult content that screws with their minds instead of helping them grow.
By the way, English is not my first language, so ignore any possible mistakes.
Im praying for colleen hoovers writing downfall🙏
I second that
And if allegations come out against her in some way, I pray for her downfall in everything else.
I’m just curious what is it about her that makes her so bad
From the excerpts I've seen, there's not much of a height to fall from.
@@janapauldo Her writing
"you can't have one without the other" I disagree strongly with this one. You can imply that something is wrong without giving elementary school'ish examples of the moral good. It's about how things are framed, and that happen also with dialogue or narration.
I think that content warnings work best when accompanied by a comprehensive disclaimer from the author.
Because they only cover topics, and rarely - the way these topic are going to be presented. And in entertainment, especially with heavy topics in entertainment, it is important to help the audience engage with these things safely.
In case of Colleen Hoover's first-person narrators, there is another complicated issue: the narrator is unreliable, but the author doesn't see that.
For an inexperienced reader, it might be impossible to tell that the author is "wrong", when the character reacts (wildly out of character, following author's whim) to things we never saw before with emotions that contradict the situation. Such as, every moment in November 9 that characters see as romantic.
i read it ends with us at 14, it was so overwhelming and overall horrible to read. all of her books are the same, half-baked “romance” stories that romanticizes horrible things 😬
Wow I’m surprised that this channel doesn’t get many views, it’s videos are well made
Yea
Finally! A video concerning this subject that's under 10 minutes.
i agree with all you've said, i really like this video format and would love to watch more of it
My mom told her my name so that she could use it in a story. The girl in Colleen's book was as my mom says "a sl*t and not a good person" plus my mom also wants me to watch It Ends With Us movie tomorrow (Sun, Sep 29, 2024 is my tomorrow)
great video, love the jellycats 🤭🤭
Good video essay! :) It is a complicated problem... I don't want certain subject matter to be taken out from books but it is the way it is portrayed that matters. Bad things happen in relationships and it is okay and even important to show that, but it is then crucial to make clear that the behaviour is not good behaviour, and prevent young people to romanticize it. I have a similar issue with certain films. My niece (12) loves horror films and my sister and I often watch horror films with her. All these films have a 16+ age restriction in the cinema, but some of the films of the After series (which feature toxic relationships from what I've heard) are 12+ (here in the Netherlands) and thus accessible for my niece. In my opinion we need to ask ourselves what is potentially more harmful to watch. Yes there is violence and scary beings in horror films but at least it is explicit (i'm not saying that it needs to be 12+ per se). Some other 'suitable' films show things that are more subtle: there might be no sex or explicit violence but the way the characters interact with one another and how the film engages with this might make young people glorify toxic relationships for example.
These books should come with a warning…not for young people…disgusting
I’ve started it but I’m struggling to read anything right now so I haven’t finished it and I’m just not sure if I want to see the movie.
Loved this video. Very elaborate and detailed
I bought. it ends with us and my brother bought, it starts with us and i haven't completed either but i don't hate the novel but I'm not in love with it maybe i shouldn't make an opinion so early but i will fill you in after i finsh both books 😊.
Colleen Hoover's books are everything I really loved and connected to her characters
seek help
@@zeinababukar1933 I don't need to
Oh honey no...
@@zeinababukar1933 why?
@@yourfavperson3748 sorry
Thank you about talking how her books are problematic romantize toxic abuse relasionship, i'm french, i saw just plenty of praises of her book to denounce abuse relationship, that's a problem when her books romantize abuse relationship but many view as denounciation of abuse relationship...
just one french booktuber mention about how her book romantize abuse! One critic in french community With plenty of praises of her book...
who's colleen hoover?
My thought precisely. "Allegedly sold more copies than the Bible." What, without everybody knowing her name? Absurd.
Believe me u are better off not knowing 😂
say it louder for the people in the back
Good video, but please hold mic still and not so close to your mouth as it is catching your exhale on Ps rather harshly, and raise video volume overall please, thank you.
I play video games and idk why I am on here
There's no such thing as "Toxic Masculinity". That's like saying "Toxic virtue" or ""Dependent independence", it's an oxymoron. Just call her out for her terrible writing that glorifies or fetishizes harm on women (or rather address her "Toxic Femininity"). These buzz words literally make no sense and just divide us further.
toxic masculinity is very much real though lol, look it up?
She like the bungholio dance
Love me some CH hate. But girl, how are you going to keep that expensive mic on your face and yet have such bad sound quality? 😭 Just record with a apple earphone mic x
You can't trigger warning your life so adding such things only makes you anxious.
You can't control your life either, you can control what you read and its not bad to think what people are write is weird as hell
Yes but TWs in books is incase people have ptsd.
With the dirty hair finish
I think a good solution could just be like a trigger warning/psa at the beginning of a book that discusses possibly triggering or controversial issues like this. I think Hoover could definitely handle the topics she writes about with a lot more care but at the end of the day it is only a story.