Troy Bilt Pony riding mower not starting- the problem, the fix and servicing the mower
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Got this Troy Bilt Pony riding mower for $100 and was told it wasn't starting. Upon troubleshooting I found a loose connection at the starter solenoid. Tightened up the nut and put in a good battery and it now starts and runs great. Also put new blades and blade nuts on it and an oil change along with disconnecting the reverse safety. Turned out to be a super nice mower! 
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best way i found to remove the mower deck , was to re-insert the pick-up rods back into the slot on both sides so that when you go to raise it up, the pick-up arms will go up and out of the way for easier
deck removal.
get you a arnold blade removal tool.
if the tool does not get tight enough use a closed end wrench or a adjustable wrench to slip over
the handle to tighten it more , and also to loosen it.
i left the reverse wire connected on mine, but fabricated a piece of aluminium to the blade engagement relay , to keep the button pressed in all the time so that i could mow in reverse .
the battery is low in sulfuric acid, that is why the solenoid sounded like a A-10 warthog firing ammo,
lol .
my guess is that the CCA went to 3 amps instead of 10 or 15 amps . all it needs is distilled water or more sulfuric acid [ that can be purchased at auto zone or advance auto stores. ] .
and charge it for 1 hr , let sit for 1 hr, then charge again for 1 hr. do that 3 times and the battery will be at full charge .
remove the starter and disassemble the top and lower unit to add high temp grease to the brass
throw out bearings. that will stop the turning vibration sound.
Nice multi meter, I have the same one but took a sharpie & wrote the word FLUKE on it. That drives my electrician friend Crazy!
Haha just the free Harbor Freight one. Works well enough!
It is a Zongshen powermore it is manufactured in China . They are decent engines, but don’t expect them to hold up like a Vanguard Briggs& Stratton Man those were the good ol days. Great score for $100.00. I enjoy your videos keep up the great content. I know it sounds crazy but ATF fluid will add a shine to any plastics and painted surfaces without leaving a sticky film. Just polish it up and wipe it dry.
Thank you, I don't have an issue with the Powermore engines yet but I've seen only 2 so far. Just not very powerful.
Yep was going to say, quickest way to do a test for if the starter works is to connect a jump pack directly to the starter, if the engine spins, the starter, and engine are good, so far, but was going to say battery or battery connections, good job.
I've learned over the years it is almost never a starter issue. Usually a safety switch, solenoid or battery.
@@EllisMowersandmore yep
You get your face involved, that's awesome, I do the same thing when need be.
Have to use all extremities sometimes to get the job done!
Adjuster nut on deck (as shown) is for left/right level....other two adjuster rod/nuts are on front. All must be properly adjusted for correct deck position.
Hi,Ellis you have to disconnect safety switch from seat .To jump start battery.In order to start motor.
Thanks, I've learned that since making this video.
Did you disconnect the seat pressure switch? How are you able to crank it without sitting on the seat?
These type mowers have a safety switch on the parking brake. You have to press the parking brake when starting even if the parking brake is on to start these.
looks like an ok engine i haven't came across any yet to say anything about them. looks like one was a good one that u didn't have to any engine work to.
Yes I don't think they are old enough to really have problems yet.
I have a 2014 with Briggs engine. Love that thing.
Briggs are good, just have to watch out for the head gaskets and compression releases.
@@EllisMowersandmore thanks for the tip.
I have a Troy Bilt that is identical to this one as well. I built it from the ground up out of my parts stash. All parts are OEM, and factory correct. I attempted to start it after assembling it, and did not think to check the valve lash. I did not disassemble the engine, since I took it from a mower that was running when I disassembled it, and the valves were out of adjustment. It hit the back of the spark plug and stripped the threads in the spark plug tube. The engine will run, but the spark plug will not go in as it should. I do not have another head, so is there any way that I can repair this one. I can't find a tap big enough rethread it.
Some people helicoil it. I haven't had to do it myself but that seems to be the solution.
For getting nuts loose Aerokoil loosens the toughest bolts
I have the same issue. I bought a new battery and changed the solenoid , it still won’t start. Not sure if I ground the wire to the body of the mower.
Depends on the year model of the mower. If you have a 3 pole solenoid it will have a green wire on the wiring harness, put it where you bolt the solenoid to the frame. If it is newer it'll be a 4 pole solenoid and a black wire will plug into the solenoid itself for the ground.
The starter sounds dryer than a cork, the battery cables thin as spaghetti, oh, and I added 1/4 pipe to oil change screw in right side to aid oil change flow of dirty oil out and down. Added 3" out from engine then 90 degree and 2" nipple with steel cap pointing downward. Works wonderfully, keeps oil in check while changing. Nice clean flip, but, those lite duty battery cables might pose a problem when battery has a few years on it when battery gets a little weak, and mower wont start, means mower will run only with new battery purchase. Nice flip though.
I've seen many of these mowers with bad battery cables because they are so thin. That starter was loud and sounded like a screaming child! These are definitely not built for longevity. Most use them until they quit and then fork out another $1200 for a new one a few years later.
I'm not that guy, I'm a fixer, this 26hp kohlor kept having a cylinder drop off while trying to mow, finally was able to do a update and install new old style coils, runs like a top now. Also bought head gaskets and hydraulic lifters and push rods when it needs them. Have a 66" Swisher pull behind mower, the carb is giving me fits.... bought new carb, trying to find time to clean tank, lines, and install new carb on the 20hp briggs. Cant wait for vacation in july...
My troy bilt pony is a 2016 model and has a briggs engine
I have this same riding lawnmower but mines will start up then kill a second after.any idea(s) what it could be?
Most likely you have trash in the carburetor clogging the main jet. I'd clean the carb to see if it goes away.
@@EllisMowersandmore how does one clean the carburator on the Troy Built Pony? I have a 2013 42" model.
Great luck you have! I have a question for you, I think in one video I heard you say you were in NC. I’m in central NC and drug a 15 year old 24 hp Husqvarna with 48 inch cut with 1000 hours out of the woods and fixed it up during quarantine. It looks great and runs great, what should I ask for it? I see prices all over the place on craigslist but I don’t know what people are getting for them.
Thank you! I'd list it around $700-$800 if in good shape and all runs good even with the hours. I have a 46" about the same age I was planning to list for $750 once I fixed it up but has a lot less hours.
Ellis Mowers Thank you! I’ll give it a shot.
Thanks for the video! I have a 09 or 10 troy built bronco with Kohler in it, I've replaced solenoid twice and starter once and still won't start, the solenoid clicks like it should, tested the battery and tried another battery and still not, Maybe it still is not a good battery?
If everything is connected correctly the battery would be the only thing left. Needs to have about 12.5 volts to be sure it is going to turn the starter like it should.
I'm thinking it tested 12.5 but I'll try again, I have even tried jumping off vehicle and still nothing. I'll test again to be sure, it would almost have to be the battery though in this case. Thanks for replying!
replace the ignition switch. those things go bad. the spade connectors on the inside get wore down.
The old battery was bad, but also I found the issue on the new starter, it didn't have a plastic washer between the first nut and starter base on the positive terminal so it was shorting out without even spinning the starter.
I have this mower also. My question is .... I can't get the mower to roll by pushing while in neutral. I think it's stuck in drive. This year, I tried to start it to mow, and it just clicks. I've done all the small stuff, and the neighbor adjusted the valves. Still can't spin the motor by hand. And it Still clicks while trying to start. . I even bought a new battery.
I was looking at videos and came across one about the drive belt, keeping the mower from starting. Well, I unhooked the belt off one pully and the motor spun freely by hand.
Would the gear not going in to neutral cause this belt to lock up?
Saves time by putting new battery on every one that comes in shop and then start the repair process
My gma has this mower and I’m trying to help her get it going. I put new battery in and it was firing up and kept stalling. Had an oil leak from the breather hose, replaced that and now it’s doing the same thing as this video. Clicks and won’t turn. I was going to buy a new starter but you think it could be a connection under the battery?
Check your battery voltage. If less than about 12.4 volts charge or replace it. If battery tests good you have a solenoid or connection issue.
@@EllisMowersandmore will give it a try. It’s a brand new battery from last week
@@EllisMowersandmore I
Put new solenoid I’m still doing the same thing. When I turn the key, the two prongs that the wires plug into, shake when the key turns and you hear that loud clicking
sounds to me that you got the wrong battery .
alot of batteries have different CCA and different output Amps. it could be possible that you got one that has a really low amp output.
but do also check the positive wire for corrosion. if any visible, then replace both wires,
both red and the black wires.
i also had to do the same thing on a previous mower, and a ford truck.
@@deborahcuster8142 yeah it ended up being a lot more. Needed new carb, and a bunch of other stuff ended up selling it too a shop and we bought new one
I don’t have 39min to find out how to start it up.
Then go somewhere else foof.
for real....too much of nothing
I had a problem with my Pony and thought it was the carb. It would not start or even fire but i was getting spark and fuel. Changed the carb and it made no difference. So I thought I would crank it over and feel the exhaust by covering the muffler tube with my hand. It was blowing and sucking. That meant a valve problem. So I pulled the head to check the operation of the valve and found the intake valve was not moving caused by a broken intake valve push-rod. Replaced both intake and exhaust rods and she works like a charm.
Let me get it
In case nobody has said it..It has a Briggs and Stratton motor (I have the same Riding mower) Should be a 16.5 horsepower
No it’s a powermore engine
Troy built used Kohler and Briggs & Stratton Engines up tell recently now they build their own engine but the one in this vid is a Briggs
That music to.my 👂 n.well one of my LTS us coming home the other one is hopefully going.to the shop to get the mower deck put on it the other one is hopefully going to go up for sell as far as that engine on the Troy bulit I've never heard of it
Mine is trying to turn over but will not start up... Was juat running last week
I would check your anti backfire solenoid under the carburetor bowl, 2 wires going into it. You should hear a click when you turn the ignition on. That's where I would start. Then spray some carb spray in to see if it runs on that. If not, check spark.
I have a 2013 Troy Bilt and for some reason it just won't start. Every time I go to turn the key, the fuse pops... What could be the problem with that? And is it an easy fix? I'm not real knowledgeable on mower repairs but what I've done so far was watch RUclips videos and then try to do it. I just haven't seen one yet that has had the issue that I am having with fuse popping. ??
You have a dead short somewhere. If it is when you turn the key to the start position the ground wire is probably not hooked up to the solenoid. It is a green wire where the solenoid is on the rear of the mower.
@@EllisMowersandmore Ok. So I noticed last night while taking my entire mower apart (lol), that my negative battery post is broken. The screw that goes on the negative post to connect neg wire the screw head is about to come all the way through. Could that be the bad connection making it pop? I'm hoping that by buying a new battery will fix the problem. ? *And thank you for responding.
@@OfficialRamseyMusicLLC That would not help matters, but I would think a loose positive post would cause fuses to pop instead of negative. If your post is bad I'd try a new battery first and go from there.
@@EllisMowersandmore Ok. I will try new battery first and see if it works. Thank you very much for your response. I checked all the wiring and nothing seems to be loose anywhere on the mower and no wires are showing anything such as damage to wires or exposed wires... Lost me there but I will buy new battery and hopefully that works. If not... I'll be replacing all wiring and connections. Thanks again for your response and help.
hello, you have some good content.
here is a question , that is if you still have that mower.
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dont know if you still have that mower, but i am having trouble with mine. it is the same as the one you have, my problem is . . . the fuse box.
one wire goes into the harness, the other is loose and i do not know where it was attached to.
do a video of where the wires go, especially the loose one.
plz do not make the vid short.
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mower has no juice at the ignition switch because of that wire.
thank you .
I no longer have the mower. But for the fuse, one wire goes to the ignition switch and the other to the battery.
Whats the name of the plastic deal comes out of the deck
Discharge chute
mine is a Briggs & Stratton. different year models though I think
Why does the pony have a reverse safety or is just to get you to buy the bronco model?
I guess too many homeowners were backing over kids etc. MTD has had them on mowers since the 90s and they are too cheap to wire ignition switches to bypass it on the cheap models. Some Broncos don't have a bypass either. Just have to unplug it behind the left rear tire near the shifter and it will mow in reverse then.
I should have know that but makes sense if you sell thousands of tractors.
Good video and I agree about the starter selonoid location 😅
It's backfiring but won't start. Could it be the coil?
If it backfires you could have water in the fuel, have a timing issue, or valve issue. I wouldn't think it's the coil because you are getting spark.
Okay I've got a fresh battery replaced the air filter as well as fuell filter it kicked over for 10 seconds smoked like crazy and died no its not seized but I can't figure out what the issue is anyone have any ideas
It could be overfilled with oil, a leaking needle and seat inside the carburetor that causes fuel to fill up the engine crankcase, or a blown head gasket.
@EllisMowersandmore Okay, I never Used or worked on a riding mower until now so I think I might have to get someone that has experience with it to assist me but I do appreciate you responding actually makes sense
@EllisMowersandmore to bad I can't put a Detroit in it lol
Looked where the solenoid is in the back pf the mower it's a trpy bilt so yeah anyway I have a rusty connector gonna clean it see what happens idk it's smoked as previously described since my mother in law got the dang thing so def gotta check the carburetor
It’s a Briggs and Stratton. I have the same mower.
Had same problem,come to find out that the fuse was good but the fuse block was bad on my machine
it was located on the back of the mowerr ???
They have a fuze to on silnod.
The power mores have lasted farly well if service regularly
Why you get a oil extractor maybe less mess
Maybe one day since these cheap newer mowers don't have good drain plugs!
The motor on my 2014 pony is a Briggs and Stratton
Most of them are, I think this was just an optional engine.
My Troy bilt had gas in the oil and I learned from a video in RUclips that the problem was the electronic plunger that is connected to the bottom of the carburator, I removed and cut the plunger out, changed the oil and it started right away.
Another reason for that is a leaking needle and seat in the carb. Sometimes they will stick once and not have the issue again after that.
@@EllisMowersandmore
I cut the middle at the solenoid under the carburator, it ran great first day, the following day the tank was empty, even though the cut off valve was on the off position. Could it be that the cut off valve is damaged and it continue to pass gas to the carburetor? The intake if full of gas and carburator is also wet of gas in the outside. I ask myself. If the cut off valve is in the off position. How the heck is the tank empty?
@@alfonsobenitez8574 Shutoff valves especially the plastic ones can break and fail internally so that's definitely possible.
@@EllisMowersandmore
I am thinking that could be the issue. Cause I let the motor running, shut the valve off and the motor keep running instead of shutting off. Before it shut off within a couple of minutes, I happened to only have one arm and doing things are not easy, retired on a fix income and having a small engine company pick it up will cost me more than I can effort. If replacing the cut off valve will solve the problem, it will be a blessing. I have a new carburator, I can replace it, but if I don't have to do that and only replace the oil and shut it off when I finish doing the lawn. If no longer flooding the intake and the engine, I can live with that.
@@EllisMowersandmore
I just replaced the oil, and the shut of valve. It was dropping one drop every 5 or ten seconds. Hopefully is fixed now. Th as nks.
I can’t really tell where you are under the mower to tighten the starter.
I believe on this one it's a nut under the starter.
@@EllisMowersandmore that would cause it not to click nor start?
I got a 03 tray bilt
Robert,owens
It’s a nice looking ride but on B/S I just order a cam and gasket set and head gasket
Might as well fix it all
My battery is white. I bought my Troy built pony 6 months ago. It won’t start
This is a very sturdy and well built mower. I thought I wouldn't like the foot operated speed control but after one use ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTZSPVwJFBv2hORqhQamtxi-tAe5K2EtC , I can't believe I ever had one without it. It drives like a car with an automatic transmission. Easy to adjust mowing speed according to grass depth/thickness. I have yet to get used to the long throw of the blade engagement lever but kind of get why it is that way. It allows you to hold mowing for short moments if you need. The engine seems very substantial and the frame has very little flex, both adding up to an impressive package. All my previous tractors were 18 to21 hp with 42in decks. This one is 23/46. I mow about 1.5 acres about every 5 days here in Alaska and that mowing time has been reduced by about 20%, partly due to the very tight turning radius. No loop arounds lol. Hour meter, cruise control, reverse mowing capability,deck cleanout and easy assembly all add up to a very well thought out tractor.
Check voltage regulator
most people dont do any preventative maintenance on their stuff and bitch when they dont work..
Power motor is the engine on my neighbors
Where is the spark plug?
It is tucked away near the valve cover. You should see the black plug wire running to it.
Try turning it by hand??
I’m tired of the dang noise
Drove me nuts you didn't Power wash the deck while it was off.
You didn't catch what you said !! You said you got a battery for it for $550 dollars !!! don't you mean 550 cranking amps not dollars ???
Oops! It is a 230cca battery, sold it for $550.
So im guessing we missed a step where ur foot should be on the brake pedal while on the seat
You can start the mower with the parking brake locked down which does not require your foot to be on it while starting. Sometimes the MTD riding mowers can be finicky with the brake pedal though.
@@EllisMowersandmore now I know this. Thank you...i never did before
Thanks for reaching out!
It's a Zongshen powermor made in China
547cc Troy-Bilt engine, I think there made in china. I could be wrong. Good buy for $ 100.00
Yeah it is a Chinese made engine, Powermore brand. Seem to be okay, just not very powerful.
I truly hate the location of this solenoid!
Me too, so inconvenient!
Troybilt riding mowers suck because you get what you pay for. I learned my lesson from the one I bought and the three relatives purchased. Belts fall off , blade spindles lock up , exhaust muffler bolts fall out which cause the bolts holding the muffler on the head to strip out and fall off. Starter solenoid put in an area that makes it difficult to change. Steering problems. I realize people don't want to have to spend a ton of money for a lawnmower but these things are not a quality product.
You are right, they build these to a budget and think a few years of use is good enough before they throw it away.
Never had a problem with mine. But many people on You tube that try to downgrade the Troybilt have taken the belt guards off the deck and such and don't install them back after. Thinking they are gonna make changing the belt simpler. Well the guard holds the belts on.
Fun fact most troy's
Have ether A Honda engine
Or a Briggs N Stratin engine
I have 5 or 6 year Craftsman T1000. The engine looks just like it except the exhaust. The label on the engine says "CRAFTSMAN 420 overhead valve" Doesn't say anything about Briggs& Stratton.
It is a Powermore engine. They're Chinese made but about on par with the current Briggs stuff.
Reason why the surging is because they need tuning
Starter
Ended up being the solenoid leads not fully screwed in.
That a MTD engine they started making their own engine in 2006.
trst and fix
I got 2 words about your starting issue...... GROUND WIRE
Dizzying camera work; I gotta' go lie down.
Powermore Chinese engines are complete junk. Parts are expensive and hard to get.
Luckily the two I've come across had no issues but I remember trying to source parts for a push mower a few years ago and it was expensive!
Yeah it’s higher than bs or kohler
Damn talk about nothing
chinese engine? nnnnnnoooooooooo, it can't be! the troy bilt label says "built in america" and has an american flag on it! surely they wouldn't LIE to the customer!
Assembled in the USA is different than built in the USA. That's how they try to fool the customer!
@@EllisMowersandmore Trane air conditioners are like that, probably most products are
It is not original for it
speak up!