Cetus 3D Printer - Pre-production Review
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2016
- Cetus3D has put together a minimalist machine with a price to match, but can this little machine still 3D Print with the best of them? Watch to find out!
Disclaimer - Cetus3D sent me a pre-production machine to review, no money has changed hands an all opinions are my own. Kickstarter campaigns carry inherent risks and should be researched thoroughly before pledging. There is no guarantees!
Link to the Cetus Kickstarter will be added once the campaign is live.
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I just bought this machine based on this review. My first 3d printer. I didn't need a large build volume. I just wanted something cheap that was easy to assemble and calibrate that produces consistent "decent quality" prints. Assembly time: 30 minutes. Software install and calibration: 20 minutes. First print within an hour of opening the box. I've printed 20 objects so far. 20 successes, zero failures (except running out filament once). In short, I love it.
The Cetus and other UPs now works also with Simplify3D, Slic3r etc.
See here: github.com/UP3D-gcode/UP3D/releases/tag/0.7.2-UP3D-gcode
Don't have a 3D printer (yet!) and I don't understand everything you talk about but dammit-I enjoy your videos and it makes me feel more and more interested in the whole 3D realm of creative possibilities! Great job and thank you!
If you liked that machine, you're gonna love my Eclips3D2. Same design philosophy as this one, simplicity and quality over features, just taken to a larger and more polished/enclosed design. Plus some necessities like LED lighting and a heated bed capable of ABS temps. I'll definitely be contacting you directly once it's ready!
Awesome! I've been following on with your build - first moves look real nice. Rails or bust imho!
Of course!
Nice good to hear! And yeah once I started using rails I'll never go back!
I highly appreciate you are willing to share your knowledge and opinions. Thanks!
WooooHoooooo.... 30,000 + subscribers. Quality always wins out. :)
It was a fun experiment, but the people have spoken! :)
Agree on the design! I'm studying Product Design and Engineering and this ethos is mine too. My HEPHAESTUS looks gorgeous because that's good design, but function came first.
I have this printer. They must have fixed some stuff since this recording. I've been able to jam all kinds of plastic in there and it prints great just about every time. I LOVE this printer.
Nice video. The best of the best functionality would be to replace the classic steppers and belt with a linear motor/rail with an LVDT for position control. Thanks for the info. NO DRM, damn-it!
congratz on getting to 30k angus keep up the great work
my main concern - copied from their kickstarter ( they are being honest but raising attention to it as there seems to be some confusion )
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We used HIWIN for our prototypes.
The core motion system is supported by high quality linear rails. This ensures quiet and reliable printer operation and result in excellent print quality. We promise to use rails that have equal or better quality than our prototypes in the products we deliver.
Interesting to s.ee you finally made it ti Cetus
Hi Angus, thank you for all the pro content you keep on providing. I learned all the good stuff from your videos😃
To solve your raft issue on this, I learned that a thin 10$ flex plate, a 15$ buildtak and 4 dogclips works perfect!
And the prints flex off. I just thought that viewers who wouldn't buy it because of the bed - just might want it if they knew this.
Last I must say I really miss the 404Villan ?!?👏🏼😃 could we get it done anytime soon?😇
That's actually a really beautiful design.
Congratz to 30 000 subscribers!
Hey Angus, Cetus is now offering an optional heated bed (Beta). Have you heard any feedback around this? Do you think it's worth a try at $39.99US? Love your videos man, keep it up!! Thanks
This printer is amazing I have it and works really well I also have a 3d printer that prints with ABS and PLA
Hi, like the printer review but I like that kuka behind you better. Please make a review on that robot for it's one of my favorite robot. I would love to see the kuka do a 3d print. Thanks for the vid.
i worked for last 2 years in filament manufacturing for 3d print in italy... the issue you poited out in pla printing is true...if the thermal barrier isn't enough cooled,the pla filament will reach the glass transition temperature there and it will stick to the pipe wall or flex inside making a lot of resistance....some pla brand have a mixture of lubricant inside like mineral oil or wax...some other just have a high HDT so they resist more the temperature(like abs)
about the printer: isn't it a up plus 2 boosted? same system, same extruder feeder, same cable,some hotels shape, heater and sensor,same pattern of print...I'm the only one noticing that?
good job maker muse congrats for 30k
I personally have no idea if this is somehow connected to Up, but they currently (and allegedly temporarily) use the Up Software for slicing and configuring...
I had the same problem too printing PLA. I had a lot of trouble with it. I followed baracules nerdgasms video on dust filter. A sponge with some olive oil, run the filament through it. No problems.
maybe its still the time to check cetus again?
@Angus : My guess would be that the PLA's which gives problems for this printer need a bit higher extrusion temperature to be able to push it through the hotend.
The extruder is probably not up to the task if the filament is not at an optimum viscosity.
All PLA's should print fine if you dial the temp in on this machine
Congratulations on 30,000 :)
Hey when did that happen! Cheers :D
congrats on the 30k subs!
Thanks Bruce!
What are your plans for the Kuka? 6 axis 3D printing?
Hah! They'll have to rename that one if they want it to sell in Sweden. Kuk is very crude slang for penis. xD
KUKA is a worldwide name, and I doubt anybody cares what it means.
KUKA means good robots.
KUKA is a well-known supplier woldwide, even in lilla Sverige ;)
You have been doing a lot of reviews on commercial printers for those who don't want to assemble one. How about a few videos selecting /reviewing controllers and parts for the people who want to actually build their own? Reprap has a new wifi enabled controller too, fully open.
The belted Z dropping on power off seems a silly mis-step, could be easily solved by a worm gear. Direct drive on a cantilever arm seems silly, it's so small that Bowden could be used with little drawback. Still, print quality seems good. However the biggest drawback is the proprietary nozzle, that turns me off straight away, vendors stop selling the special ones after a while then you're screwed.
excellent review, can't really afford to back it, been following it for a couple of weeks, after your review makes me want to break out a credit card lol
Great review, very fair and balanced IMO. Just wish I could like it a second time for the Serenity reference!
I really like that they ditched the rods and rollers on aluminum extrusion and went with some REALLY nice linear guides that if treated right will last indefinitely... i think that is a game changer!
as for the bed grab a chunk of aluminum or G10 and slap some buildtak or whatever you like and funky bed material issue done :)!
that said an all metal hot end on a pla only machine makes no sense to me... i only say that because anything requiring a heated bed is out and you never get near PTFE's "danger zone" temps on PLA but that is my view. That said it could also be a heatbreak issue as i know the old E3D hot ends could not do PLA but now can due to improved heatbreak design making a real abrupt "hot to cold" transition zone
Thanks Angus, great vid. Have you done a review of the Wanhao Duplicator 5S Mini? Congrats on the new studio.Cheers
Very similar design to my old Deezmaker Bukito - still going strong and passed on to my son
Jason Walker good for u!
This printer I thought very good because of the linear rails and optional heated bed. An enclosure could be made but single unheated print head it couldn’t really take full advantage of its precision movement for useful engineering and light production industrial parts made of nylon or similar so I guess I’m still searching...
thanks Angus. it reminds me of my next printer which will be the new printrbot simple metal...
Just an idea, but that unidentified PLA roll you have looks like the exact same spool as the Cocoon Create filament. I don't know how many other companies use that same spool design, but could it be possible that it's the same filament that I'm assuming Cocoon Create rebrand as their own?
When you review the up mini 2 it would be interesting to hear a comparison to this Cetus printer as it's got a similar build volume made by then same people. And would be about 1/3 to 1/2 it's price here in Aus taking into account shipping.Oh great channel too
What is the advantage of a single square linear rail over two round linear rails?
what do you do in your studio? i understand if it's private but the glass wall reminds me of some of the art studios in the Perth CBD.
So has the ks not gone live yet or is it already over?
This is a great 3d printer for the price, but I heard someone say that the shipping from China is about a hundred 100$ to get it to the US and many other places. Is there free shipping with this 3D Printer or not?
Moots it cost $50
Sam Salsa I checked, it people said it depends on where you live. So around 50-100$
Moots I live in Los Angeles and i just ordered mine with $50 shipping
@@samsalsa589
That makes sense LA is a lot closer to China then say Pittsburgh or whatever.
Do you know if the mk2 handles different filaments better than the early models?
The Kuka back there :o
I wonder if the coating on the bed is pei as it seems to be the same colour!?
What is the difference on an extended version of the printer?
Hey Angus! If you can get your hands on one, please review the Wanhao Duplicator 6!
Angus - have you seen the new Maylan M200 (
Is there a copy project already?
I want to build it myself!
I like how they hided the belts.
Thanks for another great video
MM, have you had any experience with any Ultimakers?
Hi Angus, great channel 👍🏼 I've just ordered a Cetus, any tips I need to know to get it running nicely?
I got the Cetus MKII Extended recently and as good as the machine is, it has just bummed me out that there is no Cura support and the factory slicer that Cetus provides is literally crap, like good for showpieces but crap otherwise.
Oh my, DRM.... Gotta love their effort.. :-)
Would you be able too put a lcd and ad card reader on it
i bet you could easily add a support to the end of the axis that just dangles in the breeze, that has some sort of linear guide, and only use it if you are going print at towards the end of the rail, or on a tall print, as that z axis looks like it will start to rock after a while
I'm already looking at that for sure, a single rod would be easy to attach and probably remove all the wobble. Great idea!
it could also allow for greater acceleration on sharp shifts in direction
I only ran in 'normal' mode so yeah in fast for the rapid infills it'd help for sure.
I just bought a WanHao i3 plus 4 hours before I saw this video and I'm going to cry.
Angus, two years on, what are your thoughts? I'm after an out of the box solution that is accurate. Build size isn't an issue. Still a fan of it?
Hey I was wondering if it was worth getting simplify 3d as the Cetus software is unreliable and I keep getting motion system errors. Thanks in advance.
Boris
Damn... I got into 3D printing a few months too late. I would have loved to scoop a Cetus up for 199
Good review. Thumbs up...PEACE
Hi Angus,
I just bought a Cetus3D recently. Everything works fine within the Cetus software. Well... yup... Cetus software. Since you have a cetus as well would it be possible to provide your .fff file? It doesnt have to fit my fillament (cetus pla) but I really need a base to start with, since I only get spyder web and pancakes.
Cheers
A Guy from Switzerland
Adrian
Have you seen the Diamond hotend?
Didn't they still do proprietary slicer? I think i heard their slicer sucked too.
Is my Cetus (mk2) just a lemon then? I can't seem to get good results from it. Constant issues. I can calibrate the machine, start a print, and sometimes the head will still smash into the build plate and just grind the gear against the best for a while, then shoot off in another direction and scratch the shit out of my plate and nozzle. Can not print raftless at all, just does not stick. Supports are close to unremovable, raft is often literally unremovable. Levelling is a nightmare... All in all, just super not happy with this machine. There is a print sitting on my bed right now because I haven't bothered peeling it off because I tried once again to print raftless (Because I can't remove the raft from most pieces) and it printed a brim for which was fused to the part
that is some really good quality, of course this is particular printer was probably made and tested to hell and back by the very people who designed it...
still, i am impressed, in particular with the lack of stringing.
hi Angus i have a BCN3D sigma that is a dual extruder is there any chance that you might do a revue on it
3dPrintingNerd and RichRap have both done reviews on that and are very positive about it.
Hey Angus, did you rob a bank for $50k, or is that shiny brand new KUKA KR Agilus on loan from someone? :)
your reviews are awesome and honest and i love theme.
can you do a video to on line 3d printing services and there price and quality
Why is there a KUKA KR10 900 FIVVEin the back??? Might be a 700 tho... Aint to shure.
I need to see a video on that kuka arm :O
Dont know if anybody noted this, but why a all metal extruder/ hot end on a pla only printer?
Can someone help me how to connect my Cetus to Wifi, I don't how to do it.
Do know how to 'clean' the Cetus platform? Do you use Blue Tape? Questions like that...
just pop parts off it and make sure it's free of oil and dust, I don't do anything special to the coating it comes with.
You Have a Kuka arm angus?
What is that yellow thing?
is this as easy to use as the monoprice select mini? thanks a million.
i have that filament clicking with some PLA from 3D print gear on my UP mini. Im wondering if thats the same issue. Only some colours do it and depends what i print. could it be my settings?
Exact same hot end as the Up Plus 2, and the Up Plus 2 is the exact same hot end as the UP mini. The Up Plus 2 has the exact same base as this printer. I think it's all the same company, or a child company producing this printer. Probably used a new company name so they're not taking customers away from their high end machines and just target marketing the ~$200 market.
Typically on the Up printers this is because the extruder stepper motor gets really hot, which softens the filament.
you can replace the motor with a nema 17, which runs much cooler, or you can mount an extra fan to cool the motor. Either option will cost you around $20 in materials. And either option requires you to print out some new parts for the extruder mount; the nema 17 doesn't fit the extruder mount because it is a bit longer, and the cooling option requires a custom fan mount for the motor.
I have a wanhao di3 plus and love it but I cannot get anything to stick to the bed! I live on central coast nsw so it is quite cold, but warping happens to any print! I have tried masking tape, even spray adhesive! Please give me some tips or even recommend a new super adhesive print bed. Thanks
-CaptainBoggle
I am printing with jay car pla only no abs, and I am running the heated bed at 80c, and the print head at 200c, and have not made any modifications to the printer whatsoever.
You need to lower your heated bed temperature to about 50-70 because plastics don't stick over a certain temperature. Pla has that sweet spot of 50-70c
+Tommie ? I will try 60 then, thanks heaps.
looks like the indieLC on openbuilds
My school just got a 3d printer and I am the only student in the school who gets to use the software
I just took a look at their prelim kickstarter page and they stated that they will be using IKO linear rails, at least for the first production batch.
What do you think about IKO rails and how they compare to Hiwin?
Got a link?
Unfortunately, no link to a P/N. This is all that was said:
"Updates from our sourcing guy suggest that we are likely to use IKO linear guides for the first batch of production ( made in Japan). We believe they have equal or better quality than HIWIN."
www.kickstarter.com/projects/854865943/228190082?token=f839eca9
Ah cool, yeah if they're Japanese they should be decent but I haven't personally tester that brand of rail.
Cool, thanks Angus. And, congrats on the 30k! I love your channel.
Is the quality of print better than the monoprice select mini?
so any updates? still locked down? not sure how I feel about 180x180x280 (not 300) for $399 when you can get a CR10 for $399 and have 300x300x400 and easily mod for even more!
Simple n neat. From the first view it's more reliable than Printrbot Simple :-)
Why do you have a KUKA Robot?
Andy from AndysHobbyHeadquarters has got one sent to him and he uses it often for his scale models.
I have been having that same problem with my anet a8 , I can’t get my filliment to go threw unless it’s at like 150 degrees celcious , how can I fix it
The common temperatures used for PLA is between 180-210. If you are printing at 150 then you need to turn your temperature up.
So it's priced around the same as the printrbot play. A little smaller with the stock bed. It's bigger then the 200 dollar monoprice printer. I can buy both today and both print out of the box. Is it worth it to back this and wait?
Go with the Play its a Great machine
+clypeum I have play. Was pointing out the price point makes no sense
Phillip Ramirez
oh okay :) than im 100% on your side
Looks similar to the Tronxy X1 ... That chines based printer from Gearbest. Maybe should do a comparison ...
a 3d printer build with the kuka and a 3d pen 😁
Did anyone else think who-said-what-now? when he got to.... “As a designer I would never put aesthetics first.”
There's two schools of thought, but for me it's form follows function. Always!
Nice Robot you got there ;). Are you going to turn it into a printer?
I vote for acoustic panels ;)
Working on it! Definitely need it.
Same jamming issues as the Up Plus 2, looks like the exact same hot end... and exact same base. Christmas light included
Yep, Tiertime is behind the Cetus3D, they announced it publicly a day after I uploaded.
If you haven't already, I would look at the polymaker PolyPlus filament, it works flawlessly on the UP! Plus 2.
Yes! It also works great on the Cetus (as expected) I just tested out some. Very happy.
I'm trying to decide between the cetus and the komada trinus. Do you have any recommendations?
+Daniel Wolford the cetus is less solidly built but bigger build volume and awesome at PLA. you may find their software limiting if you like to tinker
Maker's Muse Thanks for the help, I'm probably going for the Trinus.
Well the review made me really ecxited about this printer.. But!
- On the last minute the shipping cost became 50$ for the US and 70 for the rest of the world - why so late? you already had printers that you could check.
- The 300mm upgrade cost 130$(!) which is a lot for an upgrade the campaign almost hasn't shown.
-"We promise to use rails that have equal or better quality than our prototypes"... well thats kind of 'not promising'
what's your opinion? How was you impressed by them with your relations?
Not defending them - but to go through the changes;
- they're shipping factory to customer which is always more expensive than factory to distributer then customer or reseller, but it's much faster. Mine came in a fairly large box and in Australia for me to send that box across the states would still cost ~$50 so sounds about right.
- I agree the 300mm upgrade seems too expensive, maybe rails that long cost more due to a lower qty.
- Yes the change away from genuine hiwin rails is misleading, I may follow up on a video with that. They're currently saying they may use IKO rails from Japan.
+Maker's Muse
-Fast shipping is great, the only problem is that they changed the cost on the last moment which is wierd
-It is probabley due to quantities, but do you believe the upgraded version will be stiff enough?
Personally if you print FAST I don't think it'll be stiff enough, you'll get wobble towards the top. But, the design would be very easy to modify with a single rod on the unsupported side which would make a world of difference I think. Did they change the shipping after you pledged? Not sure if that's against kickstarters guidelines but definitely not looked kindly upon...
+Maker's Muse I have not pledged since I don't need another priner, 2 months earlier and it would be an option.. but I read in the project's comments that it happened to some of the early supporters.
They say "any material" - what *would* happen if you actually plugged ABS in there? Maybe their bed is magical enough to hold ABS without a heated bed ;)
And now for the orange elephant in the room... Are we gonna see that KUKA-arm in action soon? :3
I suspect even if it was held down magically that it would delaminate further up! Still, I will test it out :D
Cool, thanks Angus! We'll wait patiently for the KUKA now :) BTW - did you hear anything further from the Autodesk guys about their SLA printer?
$199? I'm buying one just because. At that price even if it's not good I can just use it as a work horse for basic things
Hellow make's muse!!I really enjoy the cool videos you have been making about 3D printers, I find them to be really useful and educational!I am planning to start off into 3D printing with the money I save as a new form of the hobby as I find them to be really useful for my personal DIY projects and fast iterations of products and am planning on getting a 3D printer. I have had experience with 3D printing software but not the hardware. I am considering between the Cetus 3D printer or the TEVO Tarantula I3. I don't mind tinkering and adding mods however I really wish to know more about 3D printers and starting out right now I really don't want to mess up and regret, I'll get better ones in the future once I am more familiarised.As always thank you for your wonderful content and have a great day!!:) My budget is 400USD
You can't do an unbiased review when a company gives you anything of value in exchange for it. The only way to do a truly unbiased review is to purchase the equipment yourself.
Would you recommend this for someone's first 3d printer?
Jack Hale Jack Hale not exactly I'd get something like the anet a8 or the cr10 which is the same price and better just bigger