OR&N 197 Mud Ring Rivet demo
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- The crew from FMW solutions and the volunteers of the Oregon Rail Heritage Center install rivets in the mud ring of the OR&N 197. This is another big step in the restoration of the locomotive.
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I am an aircraft repairman. Our riveting process is similar but simpler. We don’t have to heat our rivets and we ‘drive’ the rivet (using a much smaller rivet gun/hammer) on the head side while a large block of steel (called a bucking bar) is held against the other end of the rivet. The rapid hammering of the gun ‘sets’ the rivet forming a head on the end with the bucking bar. The end result is the same. The rivet swells in the hole preventing looseness in shear and also clamps the layers of metal tightly. Riveted aircraft structures have remained airworthy for over eighty years.
Looks like it takes at least 5 people to do this riveting job. This gives some idea of how many railroad jobs went away when the thousands of steam locomotives were replaced by diesels. I grew up in a town with a major steam engine repair facility. Many neighbors either worked there or were retired from the railroad. When steam went away over a period of about 10 years, most had to find new jobs. Only a few transitioned to diesel. Those older workers with enough time could retire. Many people moved away. There must have been millions that lost their jobs.
It takes 4 people to drive rivets;
The man at the forge is the heater, the man receiving the hot rivet and installing it in the hole is the catcher, the man with the bucking bar is the bucket and the man operating the rivet gun is called the driver.
In the event that holes did not quite line up, a reamer is used to open them up and it is frequently turned with a 1” air impact wrench.
On a production job, the work would progress much faster.
Forgotten craft. Nice to see men at work.
Actually an amazing technique to clamp heavy steel parts together.
Still used in various steel constructions like ship building, bridge girders, heavy truck chassis etc.
Hey! That's my kid Logan in the Firebox (red cap)! ♥
He and his crew do great work and was a pleasure to work with. We hope to see him again.
Logan, Get your ass home. Go out the back door. Dad sounds a bit irked.
Must be a fun job!
Hats off, to a competent crew, and that looks like HARD work
It has been 38 years since I last drove a rivet in a mud ring. I don't miss it one bit.. I did notice that your rivets have round heads on both ends while the ones I drove were round on the inside and conical on the exterior. Keep up the good work!
One thing lots don't know, the rivet isn't just red hot so the end can be peened over. When the entire rivet is red hot after the end is formed, the rivet cools and shrinks pulling the seam tight. One of the ways they stay water/steam pressure tight.
With the right tools, we can move mountains. Utterly fascinating what you have accomplished, preserving the material science and know-how of 150 years.
Most interesting to see both sides of the process, thank you.
Maaaaaan I enjoy seein a younger fella among the old heads puttin in good work
Our first meeting with the old 197 was an unintended gift in September 1974, when we stopped at Oaks Park to see the SP4449. At the time search was on for "Freedom Train" Power. They had just opened the smokebox door on the GS, and we knew something was up! Crew was opening up the oil/grease cellars on the driving axles, and when they saw us they asked if we had any chalk? One of our daughters had a white crayon in her travel box, so she gave it to them, which they appreciated greatly. Offering to pay, we said maybe they could remember with a cab ride someday..
While America works on a few remnant steam locos, our adversary Russia has maintained a large number of Emergency Reserve Steam Locomotives, keenly aware of future need when EMP takes out modern transport dependent on solid state contrls onboard, and satellite navigation elements.
What a great story! details like this usually get lost to passing time but should be passed on. Thank you for sharing. You could now help with the 197. Do you happen to have any pictures of the 197 from your visit? Any and all would be appreciated.
Make no bones about it Joyce, you are loved by many down here
Great video. Thanks
I was just at that heritage museum talking to people about bringing more steam locomotives in to be donated to Oregon and have them converted all into oil burning locomotives.
excellent teamwork fellas !
The usually forgotten Workmen. Riveting is not easy.
That's work you can be proud of.. and didn't see one smart phart phone
Young guy on his phone right at start of the video. There'll also be at least one person documenting events on their phone.
Magnifique travailleurs. Cela me rappelle nos prouesses dans les années 70
Incredible work😮😮😮
Stirling work, hard work too.........
I would like to try it at least once, helped take turns driving spikes in rail with a heavy jackhammer last year at the fort wayne railroad historical in new haven, though the dang thing jumped off and hit me in the side and cracked my rib but drove many, did throw us off balance plenty though even the bigger guys trying to balance, would like to try its a forgotten but still sometimes used art, and if done right can be just as strong as a weld but allowes movement where a non stress relived weld would fail.
Awesome!
add a little oxygen to the cutting torch flame before you light the torch, keeps the acetylene boogers from floating in the air.
But then you get the risk of damaging the torch body and possible flash back killing everyone in the shop
Good video.
Вот как надо хранить историю!!!!!
I see at least one guy wearing ear protection
More than one. The issue with wearing double ear protection is that the guys on the gun and dolly you can't hear instructions.
@@Kiwigeo8339 theyll have tinnitus/ hearing loss at a young age. Not worth it. Was structural Ironworker 30+ years. welding, connecting, bolt up, all of it. Ultra noisy job. always protected my eyes, ears, lungs. Age almost 75 yeah, my joints worn but the senses still good enough
Very Cool!
No power tools when the old boy was built.
Love it!
Так еще мой дед и немного отец клепали в Николаеве на судостроительном в начале 20 века
Note the old gents have their hands in their pockets and the young guy his on his smartphone. 100 yrs from now they'll be trying to resurrect its old engine.
Did they do it this way originally, or were the rivets hand pounded. I am not familiar with air hammers technology.
That 4-6-2 locomotive is being converted into an oil burner.
Should be using bridge reamers and a drift.
I was there in Brooks 20 years ago and they insulted me until I left and won't like this video for that behavior
Let me know. Is that Stephen Hook?
We could never use a torch we had to always ream the hole 😂
Ours were drilled and then reamed to size.
What's the reason for heating the hole with the oxy acetelyne torch torch? Never seen that before.
To expand the hole. Then when the rivet and sheet cool, everything gets tighter. Also, since this is the firebox, it will operate at a high temperature, everything expands when it gets hot.
what is the estimated shrinkage from 2500 ° to 70 ° F,,looks like a 9 " rivet,,,it goes into some tension,,,
Yes indeed, as the rivet cools the contraction of the metal provides the clamping force.
it is (2500*-70*)x.75'x.000078=.142" or just over 1/8" in a free condition.
initial temperature less final temperature by length of rivet (in feet) by coefficient of expansion of steel equals change in length
@@MsCriticalthinker201 very nice tks,
@@MsCriticalthinker201 another nice thing about riveting it fills the hole fully as it is compressed by the hammers good for offset holes,or slightly misaligned
@@glennberry1012 Riveting allows for making 'serviceable' joints...gouge out the old rivets, fix the plate issue, tappy-tap it all back together.
You'd never get away with that on a welded joint.
How would you test for quality assurance on a process like this?
you tap the rivots with a hammer and listen to the "ring"
When the rivets are cold, hit them with about a 2 lb. hammer. A tight rivet will have a solid sound, but a loose rivet will sound dull.
Water test and then steam test of the boiler. Thats when any leaks around the foundation ring will become obvious.
What’s with the sound it’s like there’s a break in the sound
The camera is trying to figure out what gain setting to use, and it's jumping between noise reduction and normal modes...
@@kleetus92 It's quite unnerving.
No ear defenders?
Look closer, except for some on lookers, all are wearing squishy's if not full covers.
Most pf the crew close to the gun are wearing ear plugs. ideally should be wearing double protection but then you cant hear instructions.
Yikes...need hearing protection yeah?
what?
This is bull work yup.CP rail here odgen shop rebuilt 2860 was hell job and noise i use passby shop noise just unreal.thanks video
My mother's cousin worked on Royal Hudson out of vancouver. Regrettably nobody is allowed to run it anymore as it doesn't have a boiler certification
I would donate a 4-6-4 Hudson and I would purchase it from Canada and have them be sold to the state of Oregon to have them converted into oil burning and I would drive one of the sister engines of the 2860 and the 2816.
Would not buck a rivet that close to my face...that must rattle your teeth and eyes a bit.
No hearing protection?
All have it. In the ear plugs.
Squishies
@@fff1531 is this a Union Pacific locomotive?
@@rudycarlson8245 It started as the Oregon Railroad & Navigation 197 but became the UP 3203 when the OR&N merged with the UP
@@fff1531 has it been converted to burn oil?
What dictates when the rivet hammering should stop ?
With conical ends it is when the hammer finally hits the side sheet. And yes, the rivets have to be just the right length. Too long a rivet and you end up with a ring around the cone. Too short and the cone doesn't expand to the correct dimension.
@@gravelydon7072 Thanks !
It’s interesting to see old tech and old ways of doing things, but this way of making outdated locomotives went away for good reasons, it baffles me as to why so many people put their money, blood, sweat and tears into keeping these things running. Seems like that money would be better spent improving modern passenger rail service. Future generations will have no use for these things as they deal with the results of climate change. Just my 2 cents
Why protect the pyramids or the Mona Lisa or the Empire State Building or the Grand Canyon?! Because all these things speak to the bright side of human existence…things that are a testament to hard work or ground breaking technology or appreciation of beauty and grandeur…that’s why folks are so invested in the small number of steam engines that still exist in running condition…they are awesome machines that moved the country.
Whew! only 34 to go!
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