NOW I understand the issue. Thanks for explaining it... and yes it does seem kinda weird that the DoF preview stops at f/5.6 in stills mode. I do hope Nikon addresses it for us still life and landscape shooters.
I love Nikon and my Z7ii, but that kind of upsets me! It makes no sense to lock the aperture in manual mode to a maximum of F5.6. I hope Nikon listens to its customers and finally improves it! Thank you for bringing this up over and over again!
Hey Hudson, i really hope your video will reach the right people at Nikon and that they will adress this problem finally to the developers. It's a thing that should get solved easily. Thanks for your ongoing effort on this topic.
Thanks for this video Hudson. I love my Z7 but I’ll admit this needless limitation annoys me especially when the whole mirrorless experience is supposed to be about seeing the view you’re pointing at. I now tend to AF a scene then use focus peaking to comfort myself of sharpness. I miss zooming in a checking and the little dot bottom left of EVF seems impossible to keep static on some occasions. I would like Nikon to remove the limitation in manual mode, and will message them.
Reply... "It has been noted that when previewing the depth of field on the the Z series cameras the aperture only closes down to f/5.6. This is different to a DSLR that can preview the image to the smallest aperture i.e. f/22. This is in accordance with specification. Due to the different AF systems between DSLR and Z series cameras the preview is limited to f/5.6 with the Z series as the image would possibly become too dark to achieve AF. Due to the different way the two systems work this is not an issue for DSLR which always AF with the aperture wide open but this is nt the case with the Z series, hence the limitation. If you want to preview the depth of field on the subject when shooting, use Custom Setting f2: "Custom control assignment" and assign “Preview” to a camera control and then press the control to confirm it. Here is the online manual to help you also. onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z7_z6/en/09_menu_guide_05_f02.html However I want to thank you for your suggestion regarding the depth of field on the the Z series cameras . We very much value your feedback as part of Nikon's process of continuous development and improvement. I can assure you that all customer feedback and suggestions are given consideration and I have forwarded your suggestion to the appropriate department. Unfortunately, due to the number of daily suggestions we receive, we are unable to offer a response to each communication individually."
Hudson, I am a Sony A7R4 user and I have the opposite problem. I'm not sure if all digital cameras do this, but I am unable to set the camera into a mode that uses "open aperture metering". Rather the camera is in "depth of field preview" mode all the time. What I loved about my first advanced camera 40+ years ago (Pentax Spotmatic F) was that it allowed for focusing and aperture metering with a fully open aperture regardless of the aperture setting for shooting. This allowed me to place the point of maximal focus exactly where I wanted it and then I used my knowledge of DOF to determine how much in front and behind the focus point was in focus. Of course, the DOF-preview button could also be used to confirm. Problem is the Sony seems to autofocus the aperture setting on the lens, which means there is uncertainty in the point of maximal focus, especially when a restricted aperture setting is selected. This is also true for manual focus, regardless if the aperture setting is made in the camera or on the lens (aperture by wire lenses). My solution has been to transition entirely to either mechanical-linkage aperture manual-focus lenses, or the GM series of f/1.4 autofocus primes, which have a manual aperture ring. I have to have the camera in manual focus mode, but I can whip the aperture ring from f/1.4 when focusing and I manually rotate to the taking aperture quickly before snapping the shutter. This is too slow for people shots, but works for landscapes. Do you have any other ideas on how to emulate traditional open-aperture focusing/metering? We already know from this video that the Nikon Z7 ignores the aperture setting when in manual focus (at least for small apertures), but what happens when in auto focus? Does the Z7 also focus at a mid-range aperture when the setting is for wide-open? Thanks. KQS
Great vid. Agree, this feature should at least be optionally available in the Z's. But then again, I still don't know how to zoom in with live mode (I'm RTFM challenged). I do... however.... have the new 105/2.8 macro on pre-order. And that lens and this missing feature would be nice together!
There are still other annoying "problems" too. They just have to look how Fuji did it. After owning a X-H1 I sometimes feel a little bit restricted with my Z6. Fuji has much more configuration options and you can also assign the d-pad with functions (for example). But image quality is better and that was the most important thing for me ... What I also don't like is that the screen immediately turns black after pressing the shutter button in exposure delay mode. Not sure if there's a reason for that (night photography?). When I shoot handheld and use the exposure delay to reduce movement at very low shutter speeds, I often unintentionally change the composition a little bit because I don't see it on the screen for 1 or 2 seconds. I could use the 2 second self timer but it isn't possible to assign that function to a FN button. There's somewhere a very good "please Nikon listen to us and solve that problems with firmware updates" list online that was supported by pro photographers but many points are still unchecked and Nikon seem to ignore it.
Hi, Thank you for the video. Nikon needs to concentrate more on their firmware for these Z series cameras. I have the Z50, I really like it and using your videos set it up precisely as I need it with the occasional tweak here and there. However, recently upgraded the firmware to 2.10 and this made it difficult for me to change the focal length: a lot of resistance and a clicking sound. After consulting Nikon, they were helpful. On checking RUclips I discovered I was not the only one suffering this, the upgrade engaged the aperture thingy from the body to the lens and hence the noise. I was advised to wait for a further upgrade but it could be some time. I reinstalled 2.03 and lost all my settings but I have my new camera back.
I have been a Nikon shooter for over 15 years and just recently switched from a D800 to a Z7ii. I love the new Z camera and the S lenses are amazing, however there has been a few odd changes I have had to get used to. Your videos have helped clear a lot of things up and made the learning curve a little quicker. All in all I love the new Z7ii. The depth of field was a strange one I noticed right away. Thanks for the videos.
Here’s Nikon’s reply: Case #: 05384479 Subject: DoF Preview Dear Patrick, Thank you very much for your suggestions for a firmware update. We very much value your feedback as part of Nikon's process of continuous development and improvement. Regarding the possibility of Z series cameras showing apertures smaller than f/5.6 when previewing the depth of field, this is due to the cameras' AF system. The preview is limited to f/5.6 with the Z series as the image would possibly become too dark to achieve AF. Nonetheless, your suggestion has been logged into our system and forwarded to the appropriate department. Unfortunately, due to the number of daily suggestions we receive, we are unable to offer a response to each communication individually. Thank you again for contacting us, your understanding is appreciated. Kind regards, Michele M. Customer Support UK Tel: 0330 123 0932 ROI Tel: 01 5171851
Hudson, thanks for shining a light on this issue - hopefully Nikon will lend you an ear. This is probably my 2nd TOP peeve on my Z6... close runner up to NOT offering the eye focus options from the "i" control AF-area mode as you get with the Z6/7ii. Cannot image there is any physical/electronic reason to offer this, but rather it is either something they don't prioritize (not as bad) or they chosen to not include in the Z6 Z7 (cripple ware would be my name) to make the "iis" more attractive. PS Love the image of the Guanaco on the monitor in the background! Torres del Paine?
Thanks Hudson for bringing back again this topic which is really an enormous limitation and a real pain for any landscape photographer. That is actually the only reason preventing me switching from my DSLR to the Z7ii... This is simply non-sense even from autofocus point of view. First, the Z-mount is one of the largest and is supposed to bring in more light hence speed up autofocus. Or even standard mounts such as Sony's E-mount allow for depth of field preview regardless the aperture you choose. Second, even in movie mode you need autofocus to work reasonnably fast (eye of face detect) which is the case as you shown. So why this limitation for still mode? Complete non-sense... I hope as much as you do that Nikon will make things right with firmware update for the sake of anyone sanity. Are you aware of any petition currently running on this matter? Thanks again for raising your voice and let's hope it will finally be heard. To be continued...
Thanks Denis! I think I'm the only one taking about it which is surprising. And yes, other brands do have this limitation. I really don't understand it either...
Good grief, I thought it was just me and there was something wrong with the camera. Well now I guess there really is! Thanks Hudson for making this issue very clear.
What a strange situation. Could this be because D850 is contrast detection in live view on LCD but Z camera uses phase detection in LCD. Phase detection autofocus begins to fail at smaller apertures. But in manual mode ….
As a product photog - I hope the next firmware upgrade has this fix. Using hyperfocal math instead of DOF preview is not very quick. And I still miss the ability to laser focus on mirrorless...
So, I get the issue but why not just take a picture and look at focus? Are the exposure times so long that taking a picture and checking focus/DoF is unreasonable? I can see where that would be a problem in video, but the preview isn't a problem in video. Thanks for sharing.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks so much. I appreciate the links. I love the one I have. It looks similar to yours and believe it or not, holds over 150 lbs. But there are only two positions and you can't adjust legs individually.
Holy crap, I had no idea that the camera was actually capable of showing the DOF preview in video! I've never shot any video so I just thought we were stuck without being able to see past f/5.6 without the DOF button. Very interesting, I hope it does get changed/optional via firmware.
I just recently bought a Z5 but I probably wouldn't have bought a Nikon mirror-less if I had known about this issue. I sent an email to Nikon asking when there would be a fix for DOF preview and they replied "We thank you for your comments and suggestions regarding our products. Nikon strives to take all possible steps for the improvement of its products and relies heavily on our research and development departments. Although we appreciate your feedback we are unable to discuss future product development."
It's become less and less of an issue for me since I gave up hope of them changing it. Now, when I want hyperfocal, I use frame-wide DOF preview and manually focus as close as I can tell at a reasonable aperture like 11. Then I hit play, zoom in and check. If it's not sufficient, I switch gears to focus shift shooting usually in step width 8 or 9 for landscapes. Works great and lets me use a higher quality aperture. I know I shouldn't need to do that that first test shot to find out, but... It honestly isn't that hard and just 10 years ago it would have seemed like magic to be able to use this method. :-) The quality of my focus shift shooting and simple blending in photoshop to focus stack are quite mind bending. If you want to really up the game and enjoy macro, then Helicon Focus is my favorite too.
You can get around this issue using the old-school lens-twist technique. But yeah you shouldn't have to because it makes no sense when using manual focus. Every mirrorless I can find behaves like it should, including the D850 in LV mode, as you've shown. The other weird part of this behavior is that the aperture always pulses when you shoot an image, even if it's already at the proper aperture. This is a big deal for timelapse because it's unnecessary wear that is not necessary with a mirrorless camera. I contacted Nikon support about it a few months ago when I got a Z6 ii. They're clueless.
M a big fan and when you first mentioned this a year ago, I thought you were absolutely correct. Now I’m onto my fourth Z camera, I can’t help thinking why you don’t just “aperture bracket” and zoom into the playback? In MF you can still nudge the focus, shoot and nudge again, obviously.
This isn't about choosing the right aperture, it's about nailing the hyperfocal distance to bring apparent depth of field into the exact zone you need for your scene. True your can focus stack to get that, but why should we need to do that and work in post to blend exposures, when a simple firmware fix would allow us to accurately preview our final aperture and quickly focus the zone we need. Other mirrorless brands don't limit live view aperture this way even in AF mode. Heck these cameras don't limit it in video mode when you flip the lever???
Thanks Hudson for the description of DOF and how it can be used, I typically don;t use it but might have to start. Am i correct in thinking that if you do focus stacking DOF preview isn't really needed. I guess if you have a scene where things are moving and need everything in 1 frame, i can see DOF Preview coming into play. Loving my Z7ii as well. Thanks again.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I almost wonder if Nikon is trying to push people to focus stack and get away from diffraction issues. f5.6 is very conveniently the full stop before diffraction starts showing effects on the 45MP bodies.
I didnt know this.. I also use the magnification to see whats in focus in my D7200, using the manual focus in landscapes... OMG I thinking in switching to Z6II but... hope they fix this!!
I love my Z 7. I must be doing some of the things you are doing. Macro. Nikon 105 f 2.8 lens. After the update. I don't seem to have a problem. I am not into video. Can't wait for the new Nikon Macro lens
There is a way to get working DoF, but it requires use of a manual focus lens that isn't AI-P. That's because non-CPU lenses never have the aperture controlled by the body. This can work well with some UWA's, especially if using Laowa, non-CPU Zeiss or Voigtlander (or CPU-equipped one in FE mount on a non-electronic adapter) It's not a good answer, but it is one reason I'm still shooting an F mount Laowa 15mm f4 instead of going to the 14-30.
I just find it so crazy that my Sony a6000 that I've had since 2014 (SEVEN years!) has the feature to check focus (& thus see as aperture is adjusted) and yet a brand new Nikon doesn't?! And that Sony makes it so easy to check focus (zoom in to focus point) by just moving the manual focus ring on a lens...no extra buttons to move through to get there. I've wanted to move back to Nikon for awhile now (seriously dislike Sony skin color) but they just aren't making it easy (ie: their autofocus modes and not being able to switch easy between eye and point, etc., which is really important for a mom documenting family life).
Hmmmm I much prefer the Z camera controls and ergonomics in general. I spent a bunch of time with an A1 last weekend and still prefer the z7ii but a lot. I very much prefer Nikon's eye detect focus system layout and spot subject tracking activation from eye detect (single custom button on and off) , but different opinions make the world more interesting. I've got a lot of videos showing how fabulous I find shooting people, including my kids with it. I love being able to switch to any left or right eye out more distant face in the scene by tapping the joystick right or left. The Z eye/face detect is fabulous and dead easy. You're right though about sony not limiting dof to 5.6 for stills and I really would like to know why nikon does. It really makes no sense.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto i totally understand what you are saying about the a6000's ergonomics. I know everyone hates the ergonomics of the a6000 (and I can see why) but as a tiny woman with tiny hands, it doesn't really bother me, but I can see how it would if my hands were bigger, like most people's. I'm just used to the size and weight of the a6000 so the z6ii i think would seem big and heavy to me and I'm wary of that since I quit taking photos with my nikon dslr for at least a year before downsizing to the a6000 bc I didn't want to drag my dslr to the zoo or on a walk or a bike ride or hike. I'm super slow at making decisions but one of these days, I'm hoping to get back to nikon and those gorgeous colors I loved on my d90 and d7000. I mostly take kid photos and document our life with the occasional family (self) portrait or portrait for other family members. I'm just a SAHM so it makes me cringe to spend thousands on gear that I may or may not like and make no profit from 😉 I'll have to check out those videos you mentioned (feel free to give me links to ones you think I should watch). I really enjoy your landscapes. Thanks for the wonderful content.
Some examples here about 6m. ruclips.net/video/m9XLyUUG1Ys/видео.html I was shooting with the 70-200 s on my Z50. I totally hear you. I used to carry an a6500 for family stuff till the Z50 came out. You should rent a Z camera to see. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I'll watch the vid. I actually thought about the Z50 but didn't see much lens support for it. Do you always use your FF lenses with it? I'm actually intrigued about this retro Nikon APS-C that is supposedly going to be announced late this month. Oh and I sent Nikon an email based on your comments re the DOF. Hope it helps. Thanks for the quick replies!!
I have it's 16-50 dx Z lens and it's shockingly good actually. It even handles shooting right into the sun stopped down and tosses a reasonable sunstar without much ghosting. Nikon has yet to make a bad lens with the Z mount. I find the f4s are better than the F mount 2.8s. The optical engineers are killing it with the big wide mount and ultashort flange distance.
Hi Hudson, quick question - is it possible to see depth of field information on the back screen? Information such as 1) focus distance and 2) the range of your depth of field. Some lenses like the new 105 2.8 MS have a 'DISP' button which toggles between these sets of information. I can't find any information on how I can set up the camera to display this information on the back screen. This information would be useful to have for Z lenses that don't have a 'DISP' button. ✌
I don't know how far I trust the DOF data on the lenses with that readout. I wonder about how it's calculated. There's really just no substitute for stopping down and looking zoomed in a 100%. :-( To answer your question though. To my knowledge none of the cameras I've worked with from Sony, Canon, Nikon or Fuji that I know of have that feature. If I'm wrong I'd love to know. I think the Nikon Lens LCD is pretty revolutionary, but again... how far to trust it??? I prefer my eyes.
Thank you for the feedback. I will follow your advice and trust my eyes. Speaking from experience, the Fuji X100 has on its back display an innovative bar. It shows distance in either ft or meters. IT shows exactly the focus distance and your depth of field (DoF) range. As you change aperture or focus distance you can see the DoF range changing (expanding or contracting). By using this you can really dial in your DoF and it has been very accurate for me. I use ft for macro and meters for landscape. I believe this feature appears on all of their X series cameras including medium format, however, I haven't checked as yet. But Nikon zoom and check with eyes will be just fine. Thanks for your help.🙏👉🆒
How about focus shifting? You can shoot lower ISO's with it as well. There are LOTS of little things and a few big things that bug me with the Z7II, but it is still my favorite camera so far. ;)
Exactly on the camera. Favorite yet. Sure your can focus stack, but often there's no need if I could just preview f11 and split the difference with careful focusing. I don't want to have to process focus stacks for no reason. :(
You are right, Depth of Field preview doesn't work when zoomed in to 100% on my Zs. And, as you say, DOF preview does work on full screen view in manual focus mode with focus peaking enabled when you press a button assigned to preview -which immediately shows the increased DOF with the peaking effect. Surely with f8 to f12 the DOF is so large that it's hard not to get focus -seems easy using mirrorless and focus peaking to get good manual focus at f8+ full screen. I mostly use telephoto lenses wide open so I'm probably missing something here...?
Ok, I've just tried manual focus using DOF preview at f10 using peeking and it's less effective than attempting manual focus at f5.6. I guess punching in to 100% with DOF preview in MF everything would have red peaking, whereas at f5.6 you can aim for focus around the hyperlocal distance. So I can see why Nikon may not want to bother with DOF Preview above f5.6. Just use hyperfocal chart and punch in to get the sweet spot then trust ;-)
It's so much more accurate to see with my eyes on the diopter adjusted viewfinder. I am not a huge focus peaking fan, too much digital trust for me. I often use longer focal lengths for landscape work that I need to check. The biggest question is why the limit? Other brands don't. These cameras themselves don't in video mode. Video has peaking too, but filmmakers are meticulous like landscape photographers and they'd scream bloody murder if it behaved this way in video mode too. So why in still mode?
Oh and be very wary of hyperfocal charts and apps. I find they're a bit like the old 500 rule we used in the lower resolution days for stars. Use the measure if you must, but check the final image at 100 percent before the light's gone. There's just no substitute for zooming in to 100% at final aperture while focusing. Hyperfocal is a breeze with that. You know that way you've got it right.
There are several annoyances with the Z cameras that can easily be fixed via firmware. The lack of any kind of video roll/cut indication other than a "Rec" red dot in the most difficult place to see in the frame (center top) leads to operators filming endless shots of their feet because they thought they'd cut and hadn't. The still camera section has confirm beeps for lots of things. Why not video record? And while you're at it, Nikon, how about a viewfinder with effective eye relief? It's nearly impossible for eyeglass wearers to see the entire frame. Allow eyeglass wearers to shrink the viewfinder image slightly on demand.
Using my fujifilm i think what that camera does is while focusing it just opens up and while autofocus isnt active it closes to the selected aperature.. dont know what could be so hard about that
On the f mount nikon bodies when you depress the dof button , it stops down lens to working aperture, screen gets dark as you stop down lens..not get brighter as you indicated!!
That's true in the optical viewfinder only. In live view on the DSLRs the DOF preview does the opposite (as I demonstrate) and opens the aperture wide for a brighter cleaner view. Pressing it again takes you back to the default stopped down live view of final aperture. It's been that way since live view debuted. You can see yourself in my video or test it on your own camera very easily.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto i enjoy your videos sir, but 95% of my current photography is college sports with monopod and D5 and D4s and now and again with my z6...and live view not practical in most of my situations. I hope to get back into landscape shooting and other topics as i move away from sports..Gear is important but most talent lies 7 inches behind camera. thanks again for your info.
You still only see the focus peaking for f5.6 unless you hit DOF preview and then I just don't trust it like I do my own eye looking at the details at 100%. Focus peaking is a good cheater way to grab a quick focus, but it's no substitute for analysis at 100% with your own eye at final aperture.
This is what happens when electronics and computers take over tasks that were done by a single mechanical lever for decades. Nikon is not the only one who suffers from these ' mishaps ', Canon not so long ago was suffering from some sort of overheating problem due to the limitations of the firmware. For my part, besides the D800 and D7200, I stick to mechanical film cameras. They work for ever.
Bud, Manual focus still trumps AF for precision(nail it) even with mirrorless. The solution to DOF is in your hands, the D850. Don’t count on Nikon to release a firmware update. The Z7/II is not a D850 replacement. Probably will have to wait for the Z9/Z8.
You're entitled to your opinion my friend, different opinions keep the world more interesting. However, I'll bet it would change after a solid two weeks with a z7ii. I've owned the d70, 200, 300, 700, 610, 800, 750, 810, 500, and 850. I've worn out nearly all of them except the 850 and the 500. Why? They hit my back studio shelf relatively new after I got the z6 and z7 and never came back off. In my experience, the Z cameras are more than D850 replacements. The 850/500 combo are the best dslrs that will ever be made, but I haven't reached for them for years. The Z cameras are just far more advanced tools. Can't imagine going back despite this one annoyance. Nikon's been stellar with firmware since release. If enough people take note, this can join the already impressive firmware improvement list.
It's hard to believe 'cos it ain't true. Focus Peaking as implemented on Z system cameras by colouring in-focus areas with the chosen shade with 3 levels of sensitivity to DoF - it works with manual focus only. You can also have magnification of the focus point by assigning a button to do so. The main issue is that when the view is set to show DoF, it only does so up to a max of f5.6. You have to stop down the lens for smaller apertures where the display becomes very noisy. I don't have any experience how other manufacturers do this. This is one area where mirrorless cameras are very different to DSLRs!
@@paulbusby2013 Well..if the areas in focus highlighted by focus peaking isn't showing the depth of field...I don't know what else one needs. It's literally showing you what part of the image is in focus.
Hi Fred, I'm afraid they left that off the Z50. :-( I love to do that too and I just checked the latest firmware and it's still not a Z50 option. I love that little thing, but it would be nice to back up the menus.
Hoping Nikon changes that dof issue! Thought you'd like to see my first uploaded shots with the new Z6ii... I am loving it! (Don't pixel peep the first shot, I uploaded the wrong one, lol). www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4581124#forum-post-65222641
Hi, I like to know if you face the same challenge that Nikon Z7 ii when I shoot at iso 64-400 at high contrast scene -1 to -3 ev have color noise issue at Camera Standard profile. Please help me with how to fix that. I thought this the best landscape camera and I feel this doesn't have the dynamic range they mentioned. I just bought this camera and I love files but it sucks recovery. Any help will be great please.
No, it's the same sensor as the A7Riv and z7. They have dual a channel iso system that kicks into a different channel at 400iso. At 400iso and above they have less read noise and less dynamic range. With a well exposed image below iso 400 the signal totally obscures the read noise and you get more dynamic range, but if you underexpose and pull shadows you're better off at or above iso 400 believe it or not. The real key in high contrast is to bracket and combine into a linear HDR output in your software of choice. When doing that, I bracket 3 stops apart at iso 400. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks for your detail information. What picture profile do you shoot? Can you make a video regarding Nikon Z 7ii as you mentioned above. I start hatine this camera and before I return or sell it I like to see your video so I can understand better.
I adore mine. I will be taking about it, but just remember not to underexpose at iso's less than 400. It's the same with the D850 too. Same sensor. I'd urge you to keep with it and spend enough time to make an informed decision. I could never go back. Love my Z cameras!
I do shoot below 400, but I don't underexpose below 400. Sony's latest sensors (in Nikons best cameras too) have an iso step where you lose dynamic range, but decrease read noise above it. So long as you don't underexpose you don't notice under 400 (the Z7's iso step) and you get better dynamic range. If your signal to noise ratio drops (underexpose) you're better off shooting at 400 and above for shadow recovery with less noise. It's the physics of the sensor. Picture profile has no effect whatsoever on your raw files. I use the flat profile to get a more accurate approximation of the histogram for my raw files since the histogram is based on the preview jpeg rendered for camera playback and uses the chosen profile.
I have the view that if your spending big on a camera then you should at least have the technology in the camera to do the job intended . More you footer about with an Expensive Camera .. Is it really worthy the expensive price tag !!!! The more expensive the gear the less hassle and issues should there be when using it . I feel the video would have been far more interesting on hearing from the person who actually thought his/her Idea was worthy of putting into the camera . I would have loved to hear the excuses on the glaring flaw
There are a lot of things I'd miss from the z7ii. The controls layout, ergonomics and customizability still seem better to me. I also prefer the Nikon eye detect system for people. For landscape, people and low-light work I'll take the Z's every time. For wildlife and action, I'd prefer an A9ii. That high iso performance is invaluable with long lens work in darker situations. The 50MP is really all about 8k. Good 4k is so good. Plenty for me.
While you're entitled to your opinion, I'd bet it would change dramatically after 2 weeks of heavy shooting with the z7ii. That's what happened to me 2.5 years ago with he z6. I ordered the Z7 and the 850 has sat on a shelf till now that I'm selling it (2 years too late). It's the best dslr ever, but the Z cameras are far more advanced tools in every way but this one. I can't imagine going back.
I come from the D850 and I loved it, but I don't want to trade it for my Z7ii anymore! Lighter, better operation, much better lenses - the F4 lenses are so light and qualitatively on a very high level!
NOW I understand the issue. Thanks for explaining it... and yes it does seem kinda weird that the DoF preview stops at f/5.6 in stills mode.
I do hope Nikon addresses it for us still life and landscape shooters.
I love Nikon and my Z7ii, but that kind of upsets me! It makes no sense to lock the aperture in manual mode to a maximum of F5.6. I hope Nikon listens to its customers and finally improves it! Thank you for bringing this up over and over again!
Hey Hudson, thanks for following up on this. You definitely have a real world need for Nikon to address this. 📷😎👍
Hey Hudson, i really hope your video will reach the right people at Nikon and that they will adress this problem finally to the developers. It's a thing that should get solved easily. Thanks for your ongoing effort on this topic.
Thanks for this video Hudson. I love my Z7 but I’ll admit this needless limitation annoys me especially when the whole mirrorless experience is supposed to be about seeing the view you’re pointing at. I now tend to AF a scene then use focus peaking to comfort myself of sharpness. I miss zooming in a checking and the little dot bottom left of EVF seems impossible to keep static on some occasions. I would like Nikon to remove the limitation in manual mode, and will message them.
Reply... "It has been noted that when previewing the depth of field on the the Z series cameras the aperture only closes down to f/5.6. This is different to a DSLR that can preview the image to the smallest aperture i.e. f/22. This is in accordance with specification. Due to the different AF systems between DSLR and Z series cameras the preview is limited to f/5.6 with the Z series as the image would possibly become too dark to achieve AF. Due to the different way the two systems work this is not an issue for DSLR which always AF with the aperture wide open but this is nt the case with the Z series, hence the limitation.
If you want to preview the depth of field on the subject when shooting, use Custom Setting f2: "Custom control assignment" and assign “Preview” to a camera control and then press the control to confirm it. Here is the online manual to help you also. onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z7_z6/en/09_menu_guide_05_f02.html
However I want to thank you for your suggestion regarding the depth of field on the the Z series cameras . We very much value your feedback as part of Nikon's process of continuous development and improvement. I can assure you that all customer feedback and suggestions are given consideration and I have forwarded your suggestion to the appropriate department. Unfortunately, due to the number of daily suggestions we receive, we are unable to offer a response to each communication individually."
Hudson, I am a Sony A7R4 user and I have the opposite problem. I'm not sure if all digital cameras do this, but I am unable to set the camera into a mode that uses "open aperture metering". Rather the camera is in "depth of field preview" mode all the time. What I loved about my first advanced camera 40+ years ago (Pentax Spotmatic F) was that it allowed for focusing and aperture metering with a fully open aperture regardless of the aperture setting for shooting. This allowed me to place the point of maximal focus exactly where I wanted it and then I used my knowledge of DOF to determine how much in front and behind the focus point was in focus. Of course, the DOF-preview button could also be used to confirm. Problem is the Sony seems to autofocus the aperture setting on the lens, which means there is uncertainty in the point of maximal focus, especially when a restricted aperture setting is selected. This is also true for manual focus, regardless if the aperture setting is made in the camera or on the lens (aperture by wire lenses). My solution has been to transition entirely to either mechanical-linkage aperture manual-focus lenses, or the GM series of f/1.4 autofocus primes, which have a manual aperture ring. I have to have the camera in manual focus mode, but I can whip the aperture ring from f/1.4 when focusing and I manually rotate to the taking aperture quickly before snapping the shutter. This is too slow for people shots, but works for landscapes. Do you have any other ideas on how to emulate traditional open-aperture focusing/metering? We already know from this video that the Nikon Z7 ignores the aperture setting when in manual focus (at least for small apertures), but what happens when in auto focus? Does the Z7 also focus at a mid-range aperture when the setting is for wide-open? Thanks. KQS
Great vid. Agree, this feature should at least be optionally available in the Z's. But then again, I still don't know how to zoom in with live mode (I'm RTFM challenged). I do... however.... have the new 105/2.8 macro on pre-order. And that lens and this missing feature would be nice together!
There are still other annoying "problems" too. They just have to look how Fuji did it. After owning a X-H1 I sometimes feel a little bit restricted with my Z6. Fuji has much more configuration options and you can also assign the d-pad with functions (for example).
But image quality is better and that was the most important thing for me ...
What I also don't like is that the screen immediately turns black after pressing the shutter button in exposure delay mode. Not sure if there's a reason for that (night photography?). When I shoot handheld and use the exposure delay to reduce movement at very low shutter speeds, I often unintentionally change the composition a little bit because I don't see it on the screen for 1 or 2 seconds. I could use the 2 second self timer but it isn't possible to assign that function to a FN button.
There's somewhere a very good "please Nikon listen to us and solve that problems with firmware updates" list online that was supported by pro photographers but many points are still unchecked and Nikon seem to ignore it.
Hi, Thank you for the video. Nikon needs to concentrate more on their firmware for these Z series cameras. I have the Z50, I really like it and using your videos set it up precisely as I need it with the occasional tweak here and there. However, recently upgraded the firmware to 2.10 and this made it difficult for me to change the focal length: a lot of resistance and a clicking sound. After consulting Nikon, they were helpful. On checking RUclips I discovered I was not the only one suffering this, the upgrade engaged the aperture thingy from the body to the lens and hence the noise. I was advised to wait for a further upgrade but it could be some time. I reinstalled 2.03 and lost all my settings but I have my new camera back.
I have been a Nikon shooter for over 15 years and just recently switched from a D800 to a Z7ii. I love the new Z camera and the S lenses are amazing, however there has been a few odd changes I have had to get used to. Your videos have helped clear a lot of things up and made the learning curve a little quicker. All in all I love the new Z7ii. The depth of field was a strange one I noticed right away. Thanks for the videos.
So glad to hear others who noticed too. I think a lot of DSLR landscape shooters never realized the power of live view focus.
This is really the only thing preventing me from buying a Z7 II. I hope they sort this out asap...
Thanks again - I've emailed this to Nikon Europe support. Another interesting video, thanks Hudson
Here’s Nikon’s reply:
Case #: 05384479
Subject: DoF Preview
Dear Patrick,
Thank you very much for your suggestions for a firmware update. We very much value your feedback as part of Nikon's process of continuous development and improvement.
Regarding the possibility of Z series cameras showing apertures smaller than f/5.6 when previewing the depth of field, this is due to the cameras' AF system. The preview is limited to f/5.6 with the Z series as the image would possibly become too dark to achieve AF. Nonetheless, your suggestion has been logged into our system and forwarded to the appropriate department.
Unfortunately, due to the number of daily suggestions we receive, we are unable to offer a response to each communication individually.
Thank you again for contacting us, your understanding is appreciated.
Kind regards,
Michele M.
Customer Support
UK Tel: 0330 123 0932
ROI Tel: 01 5171851
Great video. Unless they have an overwhelming engineering reason, it should at minium, by an opt in custom function.
their LV has to look as good as their competitors, that´s why they need to limit the mechanical aperture.
Hudson, thanks for shining a light on this issue - hopefully Nikon will lend you an ear. This is probably my 2nd TOP peeve on my Z6... close runner up to NOT offering the eye focus options from the "i" control AF-area mode as you get with the Z6/7ii. Cannot image there is any physical/electronic reason to offer this, but rather it is either something they don't prioritize (not as bad) or they chosen to not include in the Z6 Z7 (cripple ware would be my name) to make the "iis" more attractive. PS Love the image of the Guanaco on the monitor in the background! Torres del Paine?
Thanks Hudson for bringing back again this topic which is really an enormous limitation and a real pain for any landscape photographer.
That is actually the only reason preventing me switching from my DSLR to the Z7ii...
This is simply non-sense even from autofocus point of view. First, the Z-mount is one of the largest and is supposed to bring in more light hence speed up autofocus. Or even standard mounts such as Sony's E-mount allow for depth of field preview regardless the aperture you choose. Second, even in movie mode you need autofocus to work reasonnably fast (eye of face detect) which is the case as you shown. So why this limitation for still mode? Complete non-sense...
I hope as much as you do that Nikon will make things right with firmware update for the sake of anyone sanity. Are you aware of any petition currently running on this matter?
Thanks again for raising your voice and let's hope it will finally be heard.
To be continued...
Thanks Denis! I think I'm the only one taking about it which is surprising. And yes, other brands do have this limitation. I really don't understand it either...
Good grief, I thought it was just me and there was something wrong with the camera. Well now I guess there really is! Thanks Hudson for making this issue very clear.
What a strange situation. Could this be because D850 is contrast detection in live view on LCD but Z camera uses phase detection in LCD. Phase detection autofocus begins to fail at smaller apertures. But in manual mode ….
As a product photog - I hope the next firmware upgrade has this fix.
Using hyperfocal math instead of DOF preview is not very quick.
And I still miss the ability to laser focus on mirrorless...
So, I get the issue but why not just take a picture and look at focus? Are the exposure times so long that taking a picture and checking focus/DoF is unreasonable? I can see where that would be a problem in video, but the preview isn't a problem in video. Thanks for sharing.
I am relatively new to my D750 and now I need to learn these techniques. Thanks!
Thanks for this video. This has been an annoyance for me as well, but I've never been able to eloquently explain what it was that was annoying me.
What's that cool looking tabletop tripod you're using? I couldn't find it on your website equipment list.
Nicest table top I've ever used This: amzn.to/3vaCOS7 + amzn.to/3g9DDq6
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks so much. I appreciate the links. I love the one I have. It looks similar to yours and believe it or not, holds over 150 lbs. But there are only two positions and you can't adjust legs individually.
Holy crap, I had no idea that the camera was actually capable of showing the DOF preview in video! I've never shot any video so I just thought we were stuck without being able to see past f/5.6 without the DOF button. Very interesting, I hope it does get changed/optional via firmware.
I just recently bought a Z5 but I probably wouldn't have bought a Nikon mirror-less if I had known about this issue. I sent an email to Nikon asking when there would be a fix for DOF preview and they replied "We thank you for your comments and suggestions regarding our products. Nikon strives to take all possible steps for the improvement of its products and relies heavily on our research and development departments. Although we appreciate your feedback we are unable to discuss future product development."
It's become less and less of an issue for me since I gave up hope of them changing it. Now, when I want hyperfocal, I use frame-wide DOF preview and manually focus as close as I can tell at a reasonable aperture like 11. Then I hit play, zoom in and check. If it's not sufficient, I switch gears to focus shift shooting usually in step width 8 or 9 for landscapes. Works great and lets me use a higher quality aperture. I know I shouldn't need to do that that first test shot to find out, but... It honestly isn't that hard and just 10 years ago it would have seemed like magic to be able to use this method. :-) The quality of my focus shift shooting and simple blending in photoshop to focus stack are quite mind bending. If you want to really up the game and enjoy macro, then Helicon Focus is my favorite too.
You can get around this issue using the old-school lens-twist technique. But yeah you shouldn't have to because it makes no sense when using manual focus. Every mirrorless I can find behaves like it should, including the D850 in LV mode, as you've shown. The other weird part of this behavior is that the aperture always pulses when you shoot an image, even if it's already at the proper aperture. This is a big deal for timelapse because it's unnecessary wear that is not necessary with a mirrorless camera. I contacted Nikon support about it a few months ago when I got a Z6 ii. They're clueless.
M a big fan and when you first mentioned this a year ago, I thought you were absolutely correct. Now I’m onto my fourth Z camera, I can’t help thinking why you don’t just “aperture bracket” and zoom into the playback? In MF you can still nudge the focus, shoot and nudge again, obviously.
This isn't about choosing the right aperture, it's about nailing the hyperfocal distance to bring apparent depth of field into the exact zone you need for your scene. True your can focus stack to get that, but why should we need to do that and work in post to blend exposures, when a simple firmware fix would allow us to accurately preview our final aperture and quickly focus the zone we need. Other mirrorless brands don't limit live view aperture this way even in AF mode. Heck these cameras don't limit it in video mode when you flip the lever???
Thanks Hudson for the description of DOF and how it can be used, I typically don;t use it but might have to start. Am i correct in thinking that if you do focus stacking DOF preview isn't really needed. I guess if you have a scene where things are moving and need everything in 1 frame, i can see DOF Preview coming into play. Loving my Z7ii as well. Thanks again.
Focus stacking is another work around, but it's still a needlessly frustrating limitation. I love mine too, but I'd like this to change.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I almost wonder if Nikon is trying to push people to focus stack and get away from diffraction issues.
f5.6 is very conveniently the full stop before diffraction starts showing effects on the 45MP bodies.
Good lenses are great at f11. Beyond that I think focus stacking, but I don't think nikon is acting on such motivations...
What an odd quirk. Thanks for bringing this to our- and Nikon’s-attention.
I didnt know this.. I also use the magnification to see whats in focus in my D7200, using the manual focus in landscapes... OMG I thinking in switching to Z6II but... hope they fix this!!
I love my Z 7. I must be doing some of the things you are doing. Macro. Nikon 105 f 2.8 lens. After the update. I don't seem to have a problem. I am not into video. Can't wait for the new Nikon Macro lens
There is a way to get working DoF, but it requires use of a manual focus lens that isn't AI-P. That's because non-CPU lenses never have the aperture controlled by the body.
This can work well with some UWA's, especially if using Laowa, non-CPU Zeiss or Voigtlander (or CPU-equipped one in FE mount on a non-electronic adapter)
It's not a good answer, but it is one reason I'm still shooting an F mount Laowa 15mm f4 instead of going to the 14-30.
Nikons S glass is in a class of its own and they should not limit those who own it. :(
I just find it so crazy that my Sony a6000 that I've had since 2014 (SEVEN years!) has the feature to check focus (& thus see as aperture is adjusted) and yet a brand new Nikon doesn't?! And that Sony makes it so easy to check focus (zoom in to focus point) by just moving the manual focus ring on a lens...no extra buttons to move through to get there. I've wanted to move back to Nikon for awhile now (seriously dislike Sony skin color) but they just aren't making it easy (ie: their autofocus modes and not being able to switch easy between eye and point, etc., which is really important for a mom documenting family life).
Hmmmm I much prefer the Z camera controls and ergonomics in general. I spent a bunch of time with an A1 last weekend and still prefer the z7ii but a lot. I very much prefer Nikon's eye detect focus system layout and spot subject tracking activation from eye detect (single custom button on and off) , but different opinions make the world more interesting. I've got a lot of videos showing how fabulous I find shooting people, including my kids with it. I love being able to switch to any left or right eye out more distant face in the scene by tapping the joystick right or left. The Z eye/face detect is fabulous and dead easy.
You're right though about sony not limiting dof to 5.6 for stills and I really would like to know why nikon does. It really makes no sense.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto i totally understand what you are saying about the a6000's ergonomics. I know everyone hates the ergonomics of the a6000 (and I can see why) but as a tiny woman with tiny hands, it doesn't really bother me, but I can see how it would if my hands were bigger, like most people's.
I'm just used to the size and weight of the a6000 so the z6ii i think would seem big and heavy to me and I'm wary of that since I quit taking photos with my nikon dslr for at least a year before downsizing to the a6000 bc I didn't want to drag my dslr to the zoo or on a walk or a bike ride or hike. I'm super slow at making decisions but one of these days, I'm hoping to get back to nikon and those gorgeous colors I loved on my d90 and d7000. I mostly take kid photos and document our life with the occasional family (self) portrait or portrait for other family members. I'm just a SAHM so it makes me cringe to spend thousands on gear that I may or may not like and make no profit from 😉 I'll have to check out those videos you mentioned (feel free to give me links to ones you think I should watch). I really enjoy your landscapes. Thanks for the wonderful content.
Some examples here about 6m. ruclips.net/video/m9XLyUUG1Ys/видео.html I was shooting with the 70-200 s on my Z50.
I totally hear you. I used to carry an a6500 for family stuff till the Z50 came out. You should rent a Z camera to see. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I'll watch the vid. I actually thought about the Z50 but didn't see much lens support for it. Do you always use your FF lenses with it? I'm actually intrigued about this retro Nikon APS-C that is supposedly going to be announced late this month.
Oh and I sent Nikon an email based on your comments re the DOF. Hope it helps.
Thanks for the quick replies!!
I have it's 16-50 dx Z lens and it's shockingly good actually. It even handles shooting right into the sun stopped down and tosses a reasonable sunstar without much ghosting. Nikon has yet to make a bad lens with the Z mount. I find the f4s are better than the F mount 2.8s. The optical engineers are killing it with the big wide mount and ultashort flange distance.
Hi Hudson, quick question - is it possible to see depth of field information on the back screen? Information such as 1) focus distance and 2) the range of your depth of field. Some lenses like the new 105 2.8 MS have a 'DISP' button which toggles between these sets of information. I can't find any information on how I can set up the camera to display this information on the back screen. This information would be useful to have for Z lenses that don't have a 'DISP' button. ✌
I don't know how far I trust the DOF data on the lenses with that readout. I wonder about how it's calculated. There's really just no substitute for stopping down and looking zoomed in a 100%. :-( To answer your question though. To my knowledge none of the cameras I've worked with from Sony, Canon, Nikon or Fuji that I know of have that feature. If I'm wrong I'd love to know. I think the Nikon Lens LCD is pretty revolutionary, but again... how far to trust it??? I prefer my eyes.
Thank you for the feedback. I will follow your advice and trust my eyes. Speaking from experience, the Fuji X100 has on its back display an innovative bar. It shows distance in either ft or meters. IT shows exactly the focus distance and your depth of field (DoF) range. As you change aperture or focus distance you can see the DoF range changing (expanding or contracting). By using this you can really dial in your DoF and it has been very accurate for me. I use ft for macro and meters for landscape. I believe this feature appears on all of their X series cameras including medium format, however, I haven't checked as yet. But Nikon zoom and check with eyes will be just fine. Thanks for your help.🙏👉🆒
How about focus shifting? You can shoot lower ISO's with it as well. There are LOTS of little things and a few big things that bug me with the Z7II, but it is still my favorite camera so far. ;)
Exactly on the camera. Favorite yet. Sure your can focus stack, but often there's no need if I could just preview f11 and split the difference with careful focusing. I don't want to have to process focus stacks for no reason. :(
You are right, Depth of Field preview doesn't work when zoomed in to 100% on my Zs. And, as you say, DOF preview does work on full screen view in manual focus mode with focus peaking enabled when you press a button assigned to preview -which immediately shows the increased DOF with the peaking effect. Surely with f8 to f12 the DOF is so large that it's hard not to get focus -seems easy using mirrorless and focus peaking to get good manual focus at f8+ full screen. I mostly use telephoto lenses wide open so I'm probably missing something here...?
Ok, I've just tried manual focus using DOF preview at f10 using peeking and it's less effective than attempting manual focus at f5.6. I guess punching in to 100% with DOF preview in MF everything would have red peaking, whereas at f5.6 you can aim for focus around the hyperlocal distance. So I can see why Nikon may not want to bother with DOF Preview above f5.6. Just use hyperfocal chart and punch in to get the sweet spot then trust ;-)
It's so much more accurate to see with my eyes on the diopter adjusted viewfinder. I am not a huge focus peaking fan, too much digital trust for me. I often use longer focal lengths for landscape work that I need to check. The biggest question is why the limit? Other brands don't. These cameras themselves don't in video mode. Video has peaking too, but filmmakers are meticulous like landscape photographers and they'd scream bloody murder if it behaved this way in video mode too. So why in still mode?
Oh and be very wary of hyperfocal charts and apps. I find they're a bit like the old 500 rule we used in the lower resolution days for stars. Use the measure if you must, but check the final image at 100 percent before the light's gone. There's just no substitute for zooming in to 100% at final aperture while focusing. Hyperfocal is a breeze with that. You know that way you've got it right.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto agreed. Best to check in camera
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Ah ok, yes long lens certainly needs a check. Agreed it seems a random and unnecessary limit.
Is the issue not avoided by simply taking the photo and confirming focus and adjusting as necessary?
There are several annoyances with the Z cameras that can easily be fixed via firmware.
The lack of any kind of video roll/cut indication other than a "Rec" red dot in the most difficult place to see in the frame (center top) leads to operators filming endless shots of their feet because they thought they'd cut and hadn't. The still camera section has confirm beeps for lots of things. Why not video record?
And while you're at it, Nikon, how about a viewfinder with effective eye relief? It's nearly impossible for eyeglass wearers to see the entire frame. Allow eyeglass wearers to shrink the viewfinder image slightly on demand.
Using my fujifilm i think what that camera does is while focusing it just opens up and while autofocus isnt active it closes to the selected aperature.. dont know what could be so hard about that
Where is a good place to send Nikon suggestions to improve software ?
There's a link in the full video description. :)
Does d8 (Apply Settings to Live View) have any impact on DOF Preview?
No, it only affects whether the live view stays bright or emulates the exposure you have chosen. It doesn't override the f5.6 limitation.
Great video. Very well explained.
On the f mount nikon bodies when you depress the dof button , it stops down lens to working aperture, screen gets dark as you stop down lens..not get brighter as you indicated!!
That's true in the optical viewfinder only. In live view on the DSLRs the DOF preview does the opposite (as I demonstrate) and opens the aperture wide for a brighter cleaner view. Pressing it again takes you back to the default stopped down live view of final aperture. It's been that way since live view debuted. You can see yourself in my video or test it on your own camera very easily.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto i never use live view myself so thats new to me! thanks for your reply.
Your missing out on the most accurate way to focus a static scene from the tripod. Watch that demo again. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto i enjoy your videos sir, but 95% of my current photography is college sports with monopod and D5 and D4s and now and again with my z6...and live view not practical in most of my situations. I hope to get back into landscape shooting and other topics as i move away from sports..Gear is important but most talent lies 7 inches behind camera. thanks again for your info.
Totally agree with all that. :) do try zooming in on live view when next focusing a landscape though. You'll be amazed. :)
Why not ?put the lens into manual and use focus peaking?
You still only see the focus peaking for f5.6 unless you hit DOF preview and then I just don't trust it like I do my own eye looking at the details at 100%. Focus peaking is a good cheater way to grab a quick focus, but it's no substitute for analysis at 100% with your own eye at final aperture.
damn…. something so necessary excluded; just now to z’s and to think Nikoneers engineers only thought video.
This is what happens when electronics and computers take over tasks that were done by a single mechanical lever for decades. Nikon is not the only one who suffers from these ' mishaps ', Canon not so long ago was suffering from some sort of overheating problem due to the limitations of the firmware. For my part, besides the D800 and D7200, I stick to mechanical film cameras. They work for ever.
Bud,
Manual focus still trumps AF for precision(nail it) even with mirrorless. The solution to DOF is in your hands, the D850. Don’t count on Nikon to release a firmware update. The Z7/II is not a D850 replacement. Probably will have to wait for the Z9/Z8.
You're entitled to your opinion my friend, different opinions keep the world more interesting. However, I'll bet it would change after a solid two weeks with a z7ii. I've owned the d70, 200, 300, 700, 610, 800, 750, 810, 500, and 850. I've worn out nearly all of them except the 850 and the 500. Why? They hit my back studio shelf relatively new after I got the z6 and z7 and never came back off. In my experience, the Z cameras are more than D850 replacements. The 850/500 combo are the best dslrs that will ever be made, but I haven't reached for them for years. The Z cameras are just far more advanced tools. Can't imagine going back despite this one annoyance. Nikon's been stellar with firmware since release. If enough people take note, this can join the already impressive firmware improvement list.
Nice video. Nikon doesn't have focus peaking? Hard to believe.
It's hard to believe 'cos it ain't true. Focus Peaking as implemented on Z system cameras by colouring in-focus areas with the chosen shade with 3 levels of sensitivity to DoF - it works with manual focus only. You can also have magnification of the focus point by assigning a button to do so.
The main issue is that when the view is set to show DoF, it only does so up to a max of f5.6. You have to stop down the lens for smaller apertures where the display becomes very noisy. I don't have any experience how other manufacturers do this. This is one area where mirrorless cameras are very different to DSLRs!
@@paulbusby2013 Well..if the areas in focus highlighted by focus peaking isn't showing the depth of field...I don't know what else one needs. It's literally showing you what part of the image is in focus.
I sold my z6ii. Too much photos not good. Autofocus is not well enough, and in down lights, it doesn't works.
Just got a Z50 and can't find the "Save/load menu settings" item in the menus like that's in my Z7 II, Z6II, D850 and D500 bodies. Can you help?
Hi Fred, I'm afraid they left that off the Z50. :-( I love to do that too and I just checked the latest firmware and it's still not a Z50 option. I love that little thing, but it would be nice to back up the menus.
I hope for internal 10 BIT 👍🏼
Hoping Nikon changes that dof issue! Thought you'd like to see my first uploaded shots with the new Z6ii... I am loving it! (Don't pixel peep the first shot, I uploaded the wrong one, lol). www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4581124#forum-post-65222641
850 buyer here,selling my Z6 an 7.
Or, aperture priority at f5.6 and let shutter and iso do the rest
Hi,
I like to know if you face the same challenge that Nikon Z7 ii when I shoot at iso 64-400 at high contrast scene -1 to -3 ev have color noise issue at Camera Standard profile. Please help me with how to fix that. I thought this the best landscape camera and I feel this doesn't have the dynamic range they mentioned. I just bought this camera and I love files but it sucks recovery. Any help will be great please.
No, it's the same sensor as the A7Riv and z7. They have dual a channel iso system that kicks into a different channel at 400iso. At 400iso and above they have less read noise and less dynamic range. With a well exposed image below iso 400 the signal totally obscures the read noise and you get more dynamic range, but if you underexpose and pull shadows you're better off at or above iso 400 believe it or not.
The real key in high contrast is to bracket and combine into a linear HDR output in your software of choice. When doing that, I bracket 3 stops apart at iso 400. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks for your detail information. What picture profile do you shoot? Can you make a video regarding Nikon Z 7ii as you mentioned above. I start hatine this camera and before I return or sell it I like to see your video so I can understand better.
I adore mine. I will be taking about it, but just remember not to underexpose at iso's less than 400. It's the same with the D850 too. Same sensor. I'd urge you to keep with it and spend enough time to make an informed decision. I could never go back. Love my Z cameras!
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thanks for your reply. So you don’t shoot under iso 400 and what picture profile do you use?
I do shoot below 400, but I don't underexpose below 400. Sony's latest sensors (in Nikons best cameras too) have an iso step where you lose dynamic range, but decrease read noise above it. So long as you don't underexpose you don't notice under 400 (the Z7's iso step) and you get better dynamic range. If your signal to noise ratio drops (underexpose) you're better off shooting at 400 and above for shadow recovery with less noise. It's the physics of the sensor.
Picture profile has no effect whatsoever on your raw files. I use the flat profile to get a more accurate approximation of the histogram for my raw files since the histogram is based on the preview jpeg rendered for camera playback and uses the chosen profile.
Hello. With firmware 3.0 has this been fixed?
Negative. Fingers crossed for the z9
Nope, it is still the same.
I wonder if you would use the "preview" function on one of the lens's programmable button, if it would also stop at that 5.6 aperture?
It sure does. There's no work around
I have the view that if your spending big on a camera then you should at least have the technology in the camera to do the job intended . More you footer about with an Expensive Camera .. Is it really worthy the expensive price tag !!!!
The more expensive the gear the less hassle and issues should there be when using it .
I feel the video would have been far more interesting on hearing from the person who actually thought his/her Idea was worthy of putting into the camera .
I would have loved to hear the excuses on the glaring flaw
It's end of 2023 and Nikon did nothing. What a lame software development.
Greetings from Germany 🤘
SEE If you swithched to Sony , you wouldn't have these problems. Just jokin!
I spent some time with an A1 last week. It's great, but I still love my z7ii and the S glass for what I do. ;) more on that soon.
Z7-2 is plenty for what you do. A1 is a better all around camera if you do a lot of wildlife but, at over double the cost.
There are a lot of things I'd miss from the z7ii. The controls layout, ergonomics and customizability still seem better to me. I also prefer the Nikon eye detect system for people. For landscape, people and low-light work I'll take the Z's every time. For wildlife and action, I'd prefer an A9ii. That high iso performance is invaluable with long lens work in darker situations. The 50MP is really all about 8k. Good 4k is so good. Plenty for me.
This all the reason that a D850 should still be used, theZ camera can’t do it yet. The Z camera’s technology is not yet there.
While you're entitled to your opinion, I'd bet it would change dramatically after 2 weeks of heavy shooting with the z7ii. That's what happened to me 2.5 years ago with he z6. I ordered the Z7 and the 850 has sat on a shelf till now that I'm selling it (2 years too late). It's the best dslr ever, but the Z cameras are far more advanced tools in every way but this one. I can't imagine going back.
I come from the D850 and I loved it, but I don't want to trade it for my Z7ii anymore! Lighter, better operation, much better lenses - the F4 lenses are so light and qualitatively on a very high level!