The Mysterious life of Rhaegar Targaryen | The Shadow of Prophecy | Game of Thrones | ASOIAF
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2020
- Rhaegar Targaryen is likely the most influential and important character in A song of Ice and Fire, But he's Dead! And he's been Dead for like 16 years before the First Chapter of A Game of Thrones! Rhaegar's hand print is over this entire story and people in the fandom have many different feelings about Rhaegar Targaryen. Was Rhaegar truly some love sick man that would abandon his wife Elia Martell and their children for a girl that he barely knew or was something bigger at work! Rhaegar's entire life was devoted to prophecy. He truly believed in prophecy and lived his life believing it was his duty to save the realm and fufill his destiny. From his Birth at the Tragedy at Summerhall, The Events at the tourney at Harrenhal, to the Tower of Joy and The Battle of the Trident.... Rhaegar has been trying to fulfill prophecy so why should we believe he was doing anything for love.. and Not Duty. Rhaegar's relationship with Lyanna Stark causes alot of confusion because we are to believe that Rhaegar was in love with Lyanna, and that Lyanna Stark was in love with him. But what if thats not the case. What if they were both just working towards the same goal. Fulfilling prophecy to save world! In this video I will go thru Rhaegar Targaryen's history and what I think was going on with him from beginning to end! Thanks for Watching
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I hate that Jon was named Aegon in the show, had Elia and her children suffered not enough, had Lyanna to give him that name? It looks like an heavy insult more to the ones that already were there, would not judge Dorne if they had killed Rhaegar and his new family for this
I think that's because they mixed fAegon's and Jon's plotlines in the series but yeah, really stupid. As if Lyanna didn't know about Prince Aegon. There is no way she named him that.
@@lastquarter3992 I don't think they mixed the plotlines, Jon has basically no plotline in the last season, he's just there so he can kill Dany in the end. I think his name is probably Aegon in the books because if he becomes king in the end, which has been hinted at, it would make him Aegon the Seventh after Young Griff who would be Aegon the Sixth, and we all know the number seven is an important symbol in the ASOIAF series so it seems kind of fitting. I imagine Rhaegar thought that his third child with Lyanna would be a girl called Visenya who would be the third head of the dragon, seeing as he already had Aegon and Rhaenys, and he probably told Lyanna as much: so when Lyanna heard of the deaths of both Aegon and Rhaenys she realized they weren't the other two heads and the child she carried was the Prince That Was Promised so she named him Aegon to fulfil the prophecy. That's my theory, at least.
@@SOFIA-tl2hh It's not an interpretation I really agree with but I respect your opinion. We shall see !
@@SOFIA-tl2hh if aegon was killed in the sac of KL. Then young Griff CANT BE aegon6th. On the other hand, if young griff is actually aegon6th, then the baby boy who was killed by the Mountain OBV couldn't be Aegon
Pretty sure he was named by his father, not his mother.
I hate how people paint Rhaegar as some romantic brave tragic hero. He's not. He doomed his house and took a very young impressionable young woman away from her family and indirectly killed them all.
The Targaryens were doomed the day The Tragedy of Summerhall happened
That certainly COULD be the case, but I don't think we know enough to make that assumption. We don't know how they got from the riverlands to the Tower of Joy or any of the circumstances surrounding the journey. I'm going off the top of my head so I may be off.... but what if Lyanna was in some sort of danger. If he took her to the TOJ for her safety (like a true Knight is supposed to do) but before he gets back to KL, the Mad King has already killed the Starks. He could've been the tragic figure that some perceive him to be.
I don't think she was a silly girl, something odd happen there.
Emilce Diaz I don’t think she was either. We’re told Arya is very similar to Lyanna and whatever Arya was, she was never a silly girl.
You know nothing. Blame George Martin for how people view Rhaegar. He wrote him as being a gifted scholar, warrior and musician. Already hard to dislike him on that alone without being a hater. Then you have the fact that his father was a psychopath that most viewed as unfit to rule. As far as this video goes, George himself referred to Rhaegar as a "love sick fool". If the writer says he loved her, then it's a non debatable fact. The fool aspect goes with what you're saying but you seem more harsh about it than necessary. Ned Stark was a fool but still loved by pretty much everyone.
She called Robert Bobby B!😂💀🤣 I’m dead 😵
Lol she always does xD
Almost every GoT youtuber does hahah
It is hilarious
It's his nickname in the fandom just like stannis the manis
I always wondered if Benjen knew more about what happened to Lyanna, and the guilt about keeping her secrets was what had him take the black.
It has always bothered me a little that Rhaegar was supposed to be so good an honorable but then he went a dissed is wife and children the way he did. And yes, would it have killed Lyanna to drop her family a note letting them know she was OK. However, I love this series so much I a willing to forgive a lot.
Rhaegar (and Elia) deserves a marriage of love vs planned by the Mad King just like anyone else, like Lyanna vs being forced to marry Robert. Prophecy for saving the world is greater than getting a divorce to someone you don't love. If he lived does anyone think Elia or their kids would have been mistreated or ignored by Rhaegar? Like nope only care about the third kid? No he at the very least thought all 3 were important, the dragon must have 3 heads. On top of this Elia is from Dorne. There ideas about marriage, lovers, bastards are not the same as the other 6 kingdoms. Lyanna could understand Rhaegars loveless marriage because she was about to be forced into one. Plus with the ones we truly love we may be blinded to their flaws vs Lyanna didn't love Robert solely because of his whoring. She just didn't love him. Because they had to go through with the marriage alone and Robert and Brandon (via Littlefinger I believe) found out too soon and by that time no raven was going to stop the war that was most likely more against the Mad King for most of the rebels than saving Lyanna.
Like same I still don’t understand how people find ways to justify him and lyanna like he was as mad as his father but just a different kind of mad and if lyanna was not in love with Robert like almost every women who is forced to marry in Westeros because he used to whore around why run with a man that was already marry with children ? Like what’s with that logic 🤦🏻♀️ and honestly singing songs to the poor and giving them a few coins to me does not make Rhaegar honorable. He could have done so much more... I always tend to rant when this subject is brought 😂😂🤷🏻♀️ I really dislike him
@@orphanedhanyou elia is dornish not rhaegar LOL, thats her culture not his!
@@ChocolateRuko His culture is High Valyrian, known for having multiple spouses. Not extremely common, but not rare either.
@@mrvgamingwatching9753 when the targs came to westeros, they settled with the faith/septons and left valyrian culture behind. targs were mostly only allowed to keep doing incest, not have multiple wives. dornish still has their paramour culture, rhaegar doesnt have his polygamy culture anymore because most valyrians left it in valyria, and only aegon the first and maegor had multiple official wives
Your one of my favorite GOT channels, it's great getting a female perspective on Martin's world and characters. Keep up the great work!
I agree!
So wait Yall Think Varys Is A Bad Guy?
I wish she would narrate more stuff, love her voice.
I like this channel cuz of how passionate and emotional she gets about the story, not cuz she has a vagina.
I don’t see why her sex matters, but yeah.
The conversations between Ser Barristan and Daenerys from the books about her family are some of my favorite. We got a little of it in the show but not much, in fact Daenerys mother was never mentioned on the show and I never understood that. Also Varys knew the mad king and Rhaegar very well but yet they never had a full conversation about him.
Sydni Taylor They couldn't mention Dany having a mentaly healthy parent and then tell her madness is from her "Targaryen genes" or whatever. Ofc I am giving them too much credit of thinking that much in advance
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 lol true they couldn't mention Rhaella because they believe every Targaryen to be evil and insane and yes you're giving them way too much credit
@Andro Santos I think Barristan would tell the truth about how he felt, he told her that Aerys earned his name
@Andro Santos In addition to this insightful video buy Gray Area (though with a few logical fallacies),may I recommend a video about Rhaegear and Lyanna from the Order Of the Green hand?
Imagine AemonxDaenerys =( the others wouldn't have stand a chance
Now I'm going to feel sad for the rest of the day.
Rhaegar most definitely had a messiah complex. He was obsessive, selfish, and I'd argue that drove him insane. I consider him the Mad Prince. But time will tell if his interpretation of prophecy is valid. Lyanna was a naive girl that fell really hard for the "It was foretold in prophecy!" bit.
Rhaegar was definitely mad! Him thinking he was the promised prince at first and then he felt like it had to be his son Aegon but I guess he felt like it wasnt So he needed to create another. He was so obsessed by prophecy to run off with a young girl who was betrothed to his cousin.
Certainly mad. As for a messiah complex, he comes from a family of power hungry inbred lunatics, so it’s par for the course.
Naive? Lyanna? C'mon, that girl smelled Bobby B's bullshit from a mile away, even when everybody was trying to convince her he was a nice fella. Even Cersei was full of illusions about him.
@@Emy-fv5ny I mean, what bullshit ? It wasn't honestly such a big deal for a man to whore around in Westeros so Lyanna was kind of petty there. Considering that Robert was valiant, handsome, kind and loved her (or at least the idea of her ?), she was more than lucky to have such a great match. Some women had to marry Walder Frey lmao. But then again, she was young and the rebellious kind so I can understand her naivety on the matter.
@@lastquarter3992 It was bullshit, because everybody around her wanted to make her believe he loved, her and he was going to be loyal to her and that was not true.
Lucky? How can you be lucky to marry someone you didn't pick? Excuse, are you a female?
Selfish and Deluded: Rhaegar and Lyanna (And Prophecy), A Love Story.
Yeah I think it's funny that people look at Stannis and think he's delusional but think Rehgar was this noble self sacrificing guy.
@@wisdommanari6701 self sacrificing? He almost certified his fams death, even his son
@@ricoambro like I said the Fandom thinks that incorrectly
Ok just a hunch. The dragon already had 3 heads. Rhaghar had a brother and a sister. Prophecy will happen. You cant make them happen, for you. That was his big mistake trying to make the prophecy fit him and he destroyed everything.
Daenerys wasn't born yet though
He wanted tree kids Rhaenys, Aegon and Visenya the tree Targaryens that conqueror Westeros, the tree dragons heads on the symbol of House Targaryen. Elia Martel was sick and she could't had more children so he took Lyanna, married in secret and he make a baby with her because he thought that she was going to have a girl (Visenya) because he had two kids with Elia (Rhaenys and Aegon) but Lyanna give birth to a boy named Aegon Targaryen and Rhaegar wanted a girl to name her Visenya.
@@zeera7080 If he had waited just 2 years she would've been. But he had no way of knowing that.
@@itsthatgirl98_ that actually makes sense, so it would be in reverse now, instead of Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya, it's Daenerys and Young griff and if the books follow the book, Jon
@D D the most obvios reason would be that in the prophecy it talks about ice and fire. Lyanna is Ice because she is of the north, of the old Gods, Rhaegar is Fire, because he is the blood of the dragon, of Old Valyria. Lyanna ( Ice) + Rhaegar (fire)= Jon (ice and fire). Also, through this he fulfilled the pact of Ice and Fire. She would have been the most obvious northern female to choose because she was the Daughter of the Warden of the north, if he wanted only a northern female to do this, he could have choose anyone.
Love your analysis! I think Lyanna was tricked by Rhaegar. She was just a 14 year old girl whereas Rhaegar was a 23 year old married man with kids. Lyanna was probably looking for a way out of her betrothal to Robert and jumped at the chance to leave with Rhaegar. She must have naively thought no one would think of it as a big deal as Rhaegar was a prince who theoretically could do anything he wanted to. But I firmly believe Rhaegar wanted to sacrifice Lyanna at the Tower of Joy to birth dragons.
You spoke my mind! This is what I have be saying to years now! Everyone is so ready to jump on her and say that the whole rebellion is her all fault and that she's stupid (Which to me, she doesn't seem like she is since she and Arya share the same personality), without even considering that she was a literal child at the time and could have been manipulated into thinking that he could provide her protection because he's the prince or blackmailed because he knew about her being the Knight of the laughing tree
I agree! If Rhaegar had actually *trusted* the prophecy he was so obsessed with and done nothing, Daenerys would have been born in a few years, without any deaths or rebellions needed. This is what Dany's vision in the House of the Undying meant.
As to why Lyanna never told anyone that she was with Rhaegar of her own will to stop the Rebellion, I see three possibilities: One, she was never told that a civil war was started over her, so didn't realize that any "setting the record straight" was needed. I mean, Rhaegar was so out-of-touch with current affairs that Aerys had to send someone to drag Rhaegar out to fight the war he'd started. Two, she tried to send letters telling everyone to back off, but her messages either never got through, or they weren't believed. Think about it, would Robert's ego have allowed him to accept that he'd been jilted for a hot musician?
Three, she actually wanted to leave once she realized a rebellion had started in her name, but Rhaegar refused to allow it because he was fixated on producing his Ice and Fire baby. Were those three Kingsguard knights just there to protect Lyanna, or were they there to keep her from escaping as well? Given how many lines Rhaegar had already crossed to fulfill his precious prophecy would he really have shrugged and let Lyanna go if she'd developed cold feet?
Lyanna couldn't have stopped the rebellion regardless of what she said.
With the amount of chaos he brought upon the kingdom, he had to have at least thought whatever he was doing to her, was more important than the entire seven kingdoms and thousands of dead Westerosi.
My theory is he was a pawn of Blood Raven and the children. Like everyone else in this story.
Thank You For Making My Quarantine ALOT Better Sis
I love evrything about this video, I would just say yes the prophecy is about Danaerys BUT Rhaegar still needed to hook up with Lynna start and war and die to fullfil the prophecy. if Rhaegar did't die and if danny were not exiled she would have never been sold to Khal Drogo she would have never received her bride's gift of dragon eggs from Illyrio and she would have never been in the desparate position to hatch her eggs. yes it happened in an round about way but it needed to happened to put her in that position.
Is not about Daenerys. It is about the Aegon The Conqueror Targaryen and his sisters-wifes Rhaenys and Visenya. Rhaegar and Elia had two kids a girl named Rhaenys and a boy named Aegon but Elia was sick and she couldn't had more children and Rhaegar wanted another baby a girl to name her Visenya so he leaves his wife and marrys with Lyanna and she's pregnant and Rhaegar thought that Lyanna was going to give birth to a girl but no she give birth to a boy and named him Aegon Targaryen but Rhaegar wanted tree kids Rhaenys, Aegon and Visenya the tree dragon heads on the symbol of House Targaryen
Débora Cardoso // It is about Daenerys. The prophecy never said anything about Aegon the conqueror or his sisters, simply Rhaella and Areys would produce a lineage in which the prince/princess that is promised would be born from. So Rhaegar being their (Rhaella & Areys) first son and only son (for years) he thought he was the prince that was promised. Until he realized the dragon needs three heads (prophecy) etc so then he thought one of his children would be destined to be this prophet (prince/princess that was promised) he convinced himself he needed three children to succeed him and what better names than the original Conquerors (Aegon, Visenya, & Rhaenys) except Elia couldn’t bare another child because of health. Also I’m not sure but I did see something more abt why specifically he choose Lyanna. (I’ll look more into that) but anyway he obviously took this girl and (according to the show) knocked her up hence “The song of ice and fire” is the song he made for this child. Anyway that doesn’t prove he was the prince that was promised (clearly wasn’t because he’s dead) and his children aren’t either because their all dead (except for jon according to the show). That leaves Daenerys and jon (according to the show){I keep adding jon being a Targaryen is only part of the show bc I have a different theory since George never confirmed jon’s parents .} are the only people remaining from this specific lineage but like there are 2 more people who are possibly of Targaryen blood. (Young Griff and Tyrion) So my theory is Tyrion is a Targaryen, he’s the son of Johanna (spelled prolly wrong but I’m talking about Tywin’s wife) and King Areys making him one Targaryen head; then obviously Princess Daenerys is another big head for the Targaryens and finally Young griff coming in as the final head because he has Targaryen blood. I resonate with the theory that jon is the product of Ashara Dane and Ned Stark. Meaning the Prophecy can only be talking about Daenerys, she is the last living heir (Princess Title) and is of the lineage of Rhaella and Areys (their only daughter ... ). According to the show, she is named the Princess that was promised by a high priestess (in Essos?) and she did stop the long night so who knows.
This prophecy like any other, should not be relied on. I sure hope Daenerys doesn't become obsessed with it like Rhaegar. It could be her downfall.
@@Kim-zu1nl You were going strong, but along the line i think you lost your train of thoughts. Prophesy about Daenerys?- Possible. A dragon must have 3 heads? Again, possible with Daenerys having 3 dragons; but then that's where you derailed. You keep mentioning "(according to the show)" but you forgot that in the books, NOT ALL Rhaegar children are dead. Also, it was a 'Prince' not a Princess (according to the show) that was promised. Once more, the PRINCE would be of ice and fire, Daenerys had no ice in her, just fire. Again, GG confirmed on one of his many interviews (and that was why he permitted D and D to create the film because they passed his test of Jon's parentage) that Jon was of Rhaegar and Lyanna. And BIG NO, Daenerys DID NOT stop the long night. (Hehehehehehehe- where did you ever get that notion from and believe such story?), ARYA stopped the Long night. Lastly, remember Jon was brought back from the dead, and remember his conversation with Beric Dondarion when they went looking for a wright? - about being brought back FOR A PURPOSE (which we all wrongly thought was the Night King), and about being a shield that GUARDS THE REALMS OF MEN (similar conversation between Jon and Tyrion when he was a prisoner- about WHO being a danger to the realms of men)?- yes, he was brought back to guard the shield of men not from the Night King, but from Daenerys.
You might not like their angle or idea, but it does have its logic.
@@dolphineachonga812 She did become obsessed and it did lead to her downfall. Even after KNOWING that Jon was who he was, she still said "That would mean you have a claim to MY throne", WTF?! Her throne? How was it still her throne when she knew she was talking to the heir of the throne? And even the ridiculous statement, "you have a CLAIM..." + get begging Jon to be silent about his parentage and NOT EVEN TELL his family. Yep, she became obsessed all right, and eventually mad. Pity- I did like her.
Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan of Rhaegar and Lyanna...😐
J. E. Same!!
I hate the pairing so much.
Every time you said disrespect I saw Mushu yelling at Mulan “dishonor on your house, dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow” I couldn’t stop laughing for five minutes
ned always talked about lyanna in good terms though. and jaime would have nightmares about rhaegar calling out his guilt for killing the mad king. the way ned describes lyanna, this tomboy sister who was skilled with horse riding and the arrow (i think she was described as such) made it seem like lyanna was more pragmatic and "northern-like" to buy into prophecies as intensely as rhaegar did.
what if... what if rhaegar wasn't in love with lyanna, but he managed to make her fall for him because he knew that lyanna would have to join him willingly? lyanna seemed like she would fight or die if her dignity was on the line, so if she actually fell in love with the deceitful rhaegar, then at her deathbed / birthing bed, she would make ned promise that their baby (aemon) cannot die by bobby b's wrath? what if lyanna didn't even know anything about a dragon prophecy? like she was just a teen who actually fell for the dashing dangerous prince?
jojen and meera also talked about lyanna and rhaegar as a "sad story" while travelling with bran, so in the POV of their dad howland reed (ned's friend who was with him at the tower of joy) lyanna must have been actually in love and died because of it. otherwise, it would not have been a "sad story" that passed down to jojen and meera but rather a story of grave injustice and cruelty if it were kidnapping and rape. howland reed would have known.
i think maybe lyanna was duped and rhaegar felt like he had to have a baby with a wolf girl because of the prophecy. and since he didn't have a "bad boy image", the only way to persuade the northern girl was to actually court her in secret. the crowning of "love and beauty" at the tourney was probably his "proposal" to lyanna, and the teenaged lyanna would have been too young to think about honor and duty because her first love had just proposed to her. so she willingly ran away with rhaegar. rhaegar probably knew that there would be bloodshed because he is a prince and he knew enough about politics and all the honor code between the great houses and so he must have known that lyanna may be collateral damage he just needed enough time for the baby to be born at the tower of joy. the only thing he was not fully able to protect was his son (aemon) because he overestimated the capability of his trusted men and underestimated the capability of the north. that's my theory anyway.
the reason why rhaegar did this seemingly foolish decision was i think he knew that the mad king would completely snap at any moment and he felt he just had to have the third baby at any cost. lyanna would have been married off to robert if he waited any longer, and that would have made it even more complicated.
I think Rhaegar did love Elia after all. Why do I think so? We have a change in the book that Rhaegar was very affectionate with Eli. Can you be tender without loving? Also, Rhaegar and Elia's daughter was Rhaenys, and if he wanted so badly to recreate the legendary siblings, he should name her Visenya. Rhaenys was the one more loved by Aegon, the one who loved poetry - just like Rhaegar, and Elia herself had a character similar to Rhaenys, not Visenya. And the fact that the Tower of Joy is in Dorne. The City of Shadow's is nearby - I think the White Walkers and the shadow moasto are somehow related. One in the far north, one in the south. Together, they symbolize the end of something. Elia herself also has a lot of Nissa Nissa. It is called the Sun of Dorne, the coat of arms of the Martells is a sun pierced by a spear - pure anology! Maybe the "spear" was to be love for her husband? Besides, there are more parables. The mere fact that Lya and Elia are from opposite geographic directions, may they have two loving brothers: Ned promised to look after Jon, Oberyn lived with a vengeance for the memory of Elia, a desire to take revenge for her wrongs.
Besides ... I am also reminded of the story Daenerys heard about how the dragons drank the heat of the sun, hence they breathe fire - so here is some element of the sun's sacrifice for the dragons. It also seems logical that both dragon fire and solar heat should destroy the ice. Someone from the North where ice is common as well. Gorge Martin himself described the marriage of Elia and Rhaegar as complex and multi-dimensional. I don't want to believe in Rhaegar's reckless romance. It's good for teenagers. In this I see a second bed of Rhaegar's intrigue and fanaticism about prophecy.
We need an Alicent Hightower and Aegon II Targaryen vids🙏🏽
I think Rhaegar is a beautifully intriguing character and I hope we get the full story of what the hell he was up to, and Lyanna, when the last two books come out
You really do your research and have a passion for these stories. THANK YOU FOR SHARING! I didn’t find you until mid season 5 of the show but ever since, you’ve enhanced my GoT experience like having another watching buddy (more like a GoT coach). Anyway, I hope this leads to some very lucrative pursuits for you whether it’s GoT related, you write your own, or you become like Levar Burton & reading rainbow exposing/encouraging others to reading great stories. 👍🏾👍🏾 ✊🏾
I love Rhaegar for all of his mysterious background, I agree with you that all he did was about prophecy but he was foolish and I dont think he really thought things through. There's a conversation Jaime remembers, right before Rhaegar went to the Battle of the Trident, and Rhaegar tells Jaime something like, when I come back there will be some changes; I think Rhaegar's plan was to get rid of his father, properly marry Lyanna, and have both her and Ellia as his wives, and all of his children legitimized and then having the three of them rule together, but of course he died. I think that was his original plan but he should've been smarter about marrying Lyanna
Totally agreed.
I don’t think he wanted to marry Lyanna he was driven by the prophecy he wanted a third child that’s all plus unlike the show in the books polygamy is forbidden by the faith and Aegon and his sisters were exception .
Chaimae ⵣ Exactly
I don't think he possessed the means to get rid of Aerys just yet, so he decided to go about it like Jahaerys and Shaerra and force everyone into accepting the marriage. - The funny thing is that the Starks would actually have to support the polygamy because having their daughter as a second wife is a better perspective than her being just a concubine, and Robert could be offered compensations in lands (and perhaps another hot wife, like Cersei :D ).
@@chaimae3652 and Maegor.
Yes!!! SO glad to see you and that your putting out a video on my FAVORITE ASOIAF subject! Love ya Gray!
Good points made here… I think one of the most damning proofs is that Lyanna, the headstrong she-wolf never made a move after her father and brother were horribly murdered: the only thing that could have kept her at that tower after that happened must have been this insane sense of prophecy.
Or the multiple armed men holding her there?
Thank you, great vid. Raeghar seems pretty odd, hardly any friends, playing songs in the place his family died, running off with a teenager. I've wondered how much Lyanna was on board with the prophesy, if we think she's like Arya then I imagine she didn't run away just coz he's so dreamy or whatever.
Videos like these are the reason I first fell in love with this channel. Can't get enough!
After season 8 my love of GoT was pretty crushed, but after watching a couple of your videos, I'm remembering how great ASOIAF is and I'm needing to read the books again. Thank you for reminding me how wonderful Westeros is (I mean in a literary sense, cos it's actually pretty brutal lol)
Your aspect on this is so incredible! You completely changed my perspective on Ragar and his purpose . Wow this was such an interesting video!
Thanks for keeping me entertained during the quarantine.
There is no Azor Ahai. Danny doesn't fit the prophecy. Jon doesn't either. Even GRRM said himself you cant blindly believe in prophecy. I think there is no "prince/princess that was promised" it will be multiple people together that actually fit into the Azor Ahai prophecy. Danny has dragons. Jon had a dream using a flaming sword. And Bran has the weirwood connections
Yeah in most GRRM stories all prophesy are bullshit. Different factions use dreams and visions to trick their enemies into killing each other.
Also since prophesy is typically in a metaphor or some riddle people warp logic to make em fit.
WTF you talking about, dany fits the prophecy to perfection. Do you even know what the prophecy is???
@@nexis1293 There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.
@@wisdommanari6701 Thats not the prophecy dude thats a recap of the 1st Azor ahai
The Azor ahai prophecy came from jenny of oldstone.
Azor ahai will be born from the line of Aerys and Rhealla targargen
AA will be born under a bleeding star
AA will sacrifice a loved one
AA will wake dragons from stone
AA will be reborn amist smoke and salt
Dany fits the Azor ahai prophecy to perfection, she did all those thing in one single event. When she hatched the dragons
Multiple people? Na. Targ princes thought they were the ones. So they drank wildfire, fucked up summerhall, interpreted scrolls as them being TPTWP/AA. OOHH How they wanted it. Jon does not want it, Is a bastard, does not know that the blood of the dragon is in him. He is the one. Clearly. I didn't even know it was a debate. Pretty much cannon.
I think Lyanna did write to tell her brother she was leaving. I just think Littlefinger got ahold of the letter. He knew that hot headed Brandon would get himself killed trying to get his sister back.
I think something like that happened too. It seems very Littlefinger to start a rumour about an abduction and rape to get back at someone.
I think it’s possible, that Rhaegar didn’t want to divorce Elia, but take Lyanna as a second wife, like Aegon the Conqueror had two
jax dae polygamy is forbidden in Westeros and the last Targaryen who practiced it was Maegor Aegon’s son who was exiled because of it . So No every marriage Rhaegar had beside his and Elia’s is illegal in Westeros . Plus he can’t divorce Elia even if he wanted unlike the show when a marriage is consummated in Westeros it can’t be annulled and Rhaegar and Elia had two children !
@@chaimae3652 maybe he didn't give a shit about the laws of westeros
@@clamshelljuicedo you think Lyanna's family, her people (the whole of the North), would be ok with it?!
@@yessica5231 more ok than him just taking her and hiding her in a tower because he wants to rape her
Even though S8 ended badly, I still love these ASoIaF theory videos! These are the topics I wanted covered by the show so badly.
You just broked my heart in a million pieces. I love Rhaegar 💔
I think both Brandon and Lyanna were wargs. The way they were able to ride horses sounds like warging. (Pretty sure Dany is a warg too, the way she first rides he Silver.)
I think The Three Eyed Raven was behind this. He may have sent dreams to both of them and pulled strings behind the scenes like he does in the books.
only those with the blood of the 1st men can be wargs and Dany is of the blood of Valyria through and through. The reason she is so good with her silver is because of the Dothraki who are a renowned horse back warriors and a major part of her life she spent on horse back.
@@zodiac5403 she has Blackwood blood, the blood of the first men. She is not 100% Targaryen. As I said there's evidence that Blood Raven manipulated things so that when the white walkers came, the Targs (Jon and Dany) would have everything they needed to defeat them. Now that we know about Aegon's dream about a Targaryen being on the iron throne to defeat the Long Night, this makes even more sense as Blood Raven would have been privy to it.
@@lyannatargaryen3223 yes but blackwood is not true blood of the north. Blood of the 1st men, yes, but a very diluted off branch
@@zodiac5403 I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.
If only Danny could have had Aemon as a hand, I feel like he would have been a calming, sane influence.
Girl!!!!!!! I have missed the sound of your voice and your insight!!!!!!! Great video. So much info!!! Thanxxxx
I want to thank you so much for taking another look and giving me a different point of view, I can completely understand where you’re coming from how she’s giving prophecies our future events of their house schedules and how as humans can misinterpret that.
Rhaegar did not love Lyanna, and he sure as Seven Hells did not MARRY her! The people who pair them together... just... UGH!
I doubt Lyanna would have given up the goods without marriage first, being Stark daughter and a lall.
@@dolphineachonga812 Perhaps, but c'mon, she knew he was married, and I highly doubt she would want to be a second wife, or displace a lawful princess and future queen.
@@marywilcox3102Perhaps. We can only speculate as what we know about these two is from third parties who weren't even with them. The ones who might know are either dead or quiet i.e Ned, Reed, Connington e.t.c. So the only complete narrative we have is the show, which is unreliable.
Perhaps it was Henry 8 and Ann Boleyn type of affair who knows. Maybe Lyanna was as naive Sansa of season 1 or maybe she was a deviant sex pot like Ann Boleyn.
Either way, until George expounds on it in his future books no one can say with certainty that this is what happened.
@@dolphineachonga812 Why do you think Connington knows anything? I never got that impression from him.
@@dolphineachonga812 how can she marry a married man?
Just love your voice!❤
great video, and its finally convinced me that asoiaf is a fantasy series where the main hero was killed in a skirmish 20 years before the problem began. every other character might be able to band together, hold back the others and or even somehow defeat them but rhaegar was the hero who could have unified westeros against the real threat.
Nice. A GreyArea upload on my birthday
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@@GrayArea Thank you Grey lady
@@soy.sauce.latte. Thank you
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Nothing beats your Song Of Ice and Fire videos. I enjoy your other content too. You inspire me to do what you do, however, you are in a league of your own!
Thanks
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I couldn't agree more with your video. I love all your videos and theories on ASOIAF!
It's been a year and I'm still upset about what they did 2 Daenerys! I'm so glad 2 hear from U once again Lady Gray. Daenerys is the 1, the Dragons prove it. Dracarys!
Excellent Lady Gray , forgive the long comment in advance but I think you have encompassed Rhaegar's general character , arc and influence on the narrative past , present and future very well here . Rhaegar is certainly one of the most influential and impactful characters in the narrative's recent history. I especially appreciate how you analyzed the good and bad with Rhaegar ; too often we get a lot of whitewashing from the - he is dreamy , thoughtful and pensive contingent or the other extreme that he is a horrible ego maniac who bought into his own hype further deluded by his obsession with prophecy. In the end I think Rhaegar lands somewhere in the middle. I personally am a bit more critical of him than most but I also do not think he is malicious or deliberately destructive either.
In one respect if you look at the chaos, upheaval and bloodshed R + L (L likely complicit as well) caused with their decisions and behavior there is quite an amount of negatives to attribute to them. But also both were not in the best of situations , Lyanna seemed horrified at the prospect of marrying Robert and was looking for any way out and Rhaegar seems to have fallen out with his insane father who was king and R thought he was helping the realm in terms of political power and likely any other external / metaphysical threats with his pursuit of fulfilling prophecy. And it is somewhat tragic Rhaegar and Robert / Ned / their alliance were sort of on the same side to an extent with all parties seeing the need to oust Aerys II. Ntm as Gray pointed out the lead up in generations just before him , circumstances of his birth and the prophecies that he felt applicable to himself and then his children that he got wrapped up in , certainly gave him the catalyst and impetus to feel the means to achieve his desired ends were justified regardless of the cost ; and further convinced himself that he / his children were fated for next level importance. Also a somewhat spoiled / entitlement nature (that has even the most thoughful of Targs had) totally left R with the inability to contemplate if he was wrong or that his plans might not work out the way he intended as well as the disregard of the total fallout / consequences (on many levels) of his actions and behavior.
Great honest unbiased breakdown and analysis of Rhaegar's character and arc , he is certainly an incredibly influential character overall. From the circumstances of his birth (Summerhall) the Tourney of Harrenhal , the Trident , R + L & Jon etc ; he is nearly unrivaled in terms of narrative influence and impact. But unlike many extremes in the fandom regarding their opinion of Rhaegar (both positive or negative) tend to be hyperbolic when at least imo I think he falls somewhat in the middle of the spectrum. I do not think R was malicious or ill intentioned per say but I also do not think he thought his plans through adequately or worried / planned enough about the consequences of his behavior / actions ; mostly on account of his belief of self importance (for himself and his children) and his obsession with prophecy / its fulfillment , the prophetic component which was likely his undoing more than anything else.
Andrew K when you call her Lady Gray it reminds me of the 9 days Queen.
Rhaegar reminds me of Stannis & Melisandre in the sense that they all have a hero complex. They think it's their job to save the world and it doesn't matter if they have to do something bad to make it happen because it's for a good reason. Dany also has that idea of personal responsibility which is probably why she's always being compared to Rhaegar but hopefully she'll make better decisions.
What an awesome video!! I wish we could have a prequel of Roberts rebellion. It could be a miniseries or just 3 seasons. Also a book about it could be super awesome!! But first I want the end of the SOIAF.
I totally love that you didn't overcorrect like so many others. So many people when they realize that Rhaegar was not a awful kidnapper overcorrect and make him out to be a saint, which he was not either.
I mean we don't know that he wasn't an awful kidnapper. The show says that But the show also has a lot of things twisted to *whitewash* characters more darker aspects.
Gray, you are truly fantastic. I don't even need the show anymore. I have your videos.
Happy 2 be part of the sweet summer family❣ this video was fun,enjoyable and very GOT Educational
So I have two crackpot theories here:
Theory 1) Maester conspiracy, and Theory 2)Autism
(Disclaimer, I was raised in an autistic household, while genetic links to Autisim I have a brother, two male cousins, an uncle, and a grandfather that all fall into the spectrum, manic depression is also prevalent in my family and I respect the argument that these may be linked.)
First the Maester theory, I’m sure you’ve heard most of it before so I simply want to focus on the disappearance of Maester Walys Flowers and the reason Maester Luwin went from Riverrun to Winterfell with Catelyn.
(Puts on best GreyArea voice.) Rickard Stark trusted Maester Walys to the bone, or so it is implied. It is strongly believed that Walys had his part in Ned being fostered in the Vale, and even in the idea of the marriage pacts. Catelyn to Brandon and Lyanna to Robert. The Maesters wanted the dragons to burn and never come back, they wanted the Targaryen’s dead. Then the war happens, Ned rides to save Robert’s head and Benjen is suddenly in charge of Winterfell. Benjen, whom it is implied may have helped Lyanna be the Knight of the Laughing Tree. Now Benjen is no fool, he was starting to piece things together. I see the Maester being questioned and his tower searched by force, letters from Lyanna found, letters that could have stopped the war, but by the time this happened it was too late. I believe that Benjen executed Maester Walys, this may even be why he chose to take the black. I believe he sent a small party to try and catch up with Ned, to get him to parley with Rhaegar, and I believe the message arrived too late.
Now theory two: Autism runs in House Targaryen, and by some extension in House Baratheon. Just a handful of Characters that I believe display Autistic tendencies: Maegor (Possibly Visenya?), Baelon the blessed, Aerys, Rhaegar, and Stannis. Yes, Stannis, if you read his actions through the lenses of being a high functioning Autist they make more sense. Sensory overload is a terrible thing, imagine being mildly autistic, and having Bobby B as an older brother! You would be serious and withdrawn as well.
If we pull these two theories together we get an interesting picture. A prince, quiet and kind, obsessed with prophecy, whom was incapable of seeing things from an outside perspective, and a Maester that thwarted Lyanna’s attempts to stop the war. (Well, that was a novel.)
Karlandra Hmmm!! I have heard the theory that Rhaegar had Asberger’s.
@@barbaraberenyiesterhazy900 i just see much of what we're told of Stannis and Rhaegar as pointing to them both being prone to sensory overload, some could argue the same of Viserys.
It is more likely he manipulated Lyanna. And prevented her from going back or sending letters and didn't tell her all the truth.
As a proud Baratheon man I’m not a big Rhaegar fan, I think he was crazy for prophecy and was so set on trying to make it happen he didn’t think it through. He sometimes reminds me of Lex Luthor or Count Dooku in that it has to be him who saves the world, he’s the only one who can do it and he MUST be the one to do it.
I think he kidnapped and raped Lyanna but all for the prophecy, like Varys and Bloodraven he has a “Greater Good” mentality so he’s willing to do things he detests for it. It reminds me of a quote from Luke Skywalker “There are times when the end justifies the means. But when you build an argument based on a whole series of such times, you may find that you’ve constructed an entires philosophy of evil”
I would love to see him have his own spin-off for sure
Me too.
I interpreted the vision in the House of the Undying to be not of Aegon, his child by Elia but Aegon (Jon Snow) his child by his wife (with whom he was married after having his marriage with Elia annulled) Lyanna. Aegon/Jon Snow's song is the Song of Ice and Fire. He's literally both a Stark (Winter is Coming/Blood of the First Men/Related to the Pact with the Children of the Forest/Connected to any possible deal with The Night's King) which is Ice and a Targaryen (Dragons/Fire Made Flesh/Fire & Blood/Conquerors of Westoros which are antithetical to the First Men) which is Fire. I agree that he's not Azor Ahai come again, but I really think that Jon Snow's song is the Song of Ice and Fire.
Love your videos btw!
Welcome back! I've missed your ASOIAF vids :(
I just watched this & the one about Mirri Maz Dur & it occurred to me that (if we take Danys' fate in the series as canon) Drogon could've taken Dany away to make human/dragon babies with her?????? Dead doen't always mean dead in GoT, right....
Also, IF Mel is as old as she claims (people lie to themselves as well as to others) she's not very bright. Even in one lifetime, we can see patterns/rhymes when we read history, so why can't she? Bloodraven sees the patterns etc, no?
Thank you! I am so confused by people who think Lyanna and Rhaegar are some beautiful romance
In the end it didn’t even matter. Jon Snow was rob starked his two main storylines for no reason.
Girl... your narrative voice is BEAUTIFUL! Honestly, if you autio voiced stone kids books my kiddos would LOVE it!! Don't get me wrong, I read to them every night, but audio books are their face to fail asleep too
I don't like Raeghar, I don't see his story as romantic.
ana iglesias thank you
I agree.
Hi ANA, Our position on Rheager as followers of the greenhand is very clear
girl same
THANK you. Absolutely nothing romantic about leaving your wife and children to die because of some other girl.
Wow Girl you’re killing it!
Rhaegar and The Dragon knight are the greatest Targaryens to have ever lived, change my mind.
i love you gray, and great video, but i've been waiting for your westworld videos for weeks and nothing. please tell me you will do something for the penultimate episode and the final episode. did i mention you're the best?
Wednesday I got you. I’ve been struggling with a Westworld this season.
I love how it always sounds like you're about to spill the tea to me lol
While I watched again because I love your channel. I feel like you uploaded this a few months back right?
No. I’ve never done a video on Rhaegar. I’ve done one on Summerhall.
Yeah. The show just left that part of the story behind as soon as season 6 started.
YES YES YES
I can't believe someone finally said it
Yeah, they're so-called love was senseless and totally selfish. Lives could've been spared and a war could've been prevented if only Lyanna would've let her family know she wasn't kidnapped, as u stated.
I think it was Jon Snow that brought Dany to his side to fight the Others. I think everything needed to go down the way it did between Lyanna and Rheagar. I think, being a Stark, she knew of the magic of one/all/the same prophesy as Rhagar.
Great video
This was brilliant
I so needed this! Is it bad that I like to think of myself as the Prince Who Was Promised 😅👌
No problem at least you will be better than rhaegar and jon
I would LOVE to hear your take on Rhaegar's prophecy with the hindsight of season 1 of House of the Dragon in mind. That perhaps he knew the prophecy as passed on from heir to heir since the conqueror.
Rhaegar is the beautiful “Black” sheep, beautiful to look at but only bringing tragedy. He was able to play the harp but he kept his distance. People say he was a great warrior but we only have Barriastan bias opinion about that. Rhaegar died in the battle of the trident, against Robert. Rhaegar beat Barristan in the tourney probably was Barristan throwing the match. Rhaegar left his wife and children alone with his mad father in order to be with Lyanna. Whom I actually believe that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar, she was against Robert’s womanizing way but she left willing to be with a man who was already married? No Lyanna was kidnapped as that would explain why she wasn’t able to explain to her family what actually happened. Rhaegar is a two-face man one who shows a saint to others but is just as mad as his father.
Barristan is a supremely honest and highly competitive man. I doubt he threw the match. Rhaegar also unhorsed Arthur Dayne. Everyone but Robert speaks highly of Rhaegar not just Barristan.
Rhaegar Targaryen left his wife because she couldon't had more children and he wanted another baby (Rhaenys, Aegon and Visenya) so he took Lyanna Stark and make a baby with her because he thought that she was going to give birth to a girl but no she give birth to a boy and she named him Aegon Targaryen but Lyanna was supposed to have a girl named Visenya. Rhaegar wanted tree kids named Rhaenys, Aegon and Visenya, the tree Targaryens that conqueror Westeros, the tree heads of the symbol of the House Targaryen
Great to hear your voice
You are so right. Has never made sense. But I think she told benjen and he not get to hot headed Brandon in order to stop him from going to kings landing . So it was no point. I also think that was one he joined the watch. Rhagar, i think it was his intention to over through his father but when lyanna cried at his song and her reaction when he brothers teased her made him think of the prophecy and everything else fell by the way side
I had a weird thought. What if the reason Eggs plan didn’t work is because Dunk saved someone he shouldn’t have. He messed up the spell so no dragons were born
I think the same thing but maybe not Eggs idea to sacrifice Rhaegar, maybe Jaehaerys IIs idea to sacrifice his father Egg first, then Dunk the small, first the father then the son so both die as kings, he seems more forceful about fulfilling prophecy, making Arys & Rhaella marry. and then Dunk saved baby! . I have a SOFT spot 4 EGG!
You can't really trust much of anything we've heard about Rhaegar.
Maesters fawning over him is little different than Pycell fawning over Joffrey. Even his victory at Harrenhal is suspect. If it's expected that men would give up victory to Robert in a melee, much the same would be expected of the men Rhaegar faced in the lists. One thing is certain. The first time he stepped into battle, he died.
Nah, barristan himself thinks that if he was better at jousting he could defeat rhaegar and the war wouldn't have happened. So he probly won fair and square, jousting isnt that dangerous.
@@thegreekdeal4747 I'm not so certain if "better" was the language Barristan had used when referring to his jousting. I'll look into it though.
@@thegreekdeal4747 I don't own a copy of the book, so I could only find a post online that shows so much of the passage in question.
But in it, Barristan never mentions his skill at all. Just that he lost to Rhaegar. Whether it was on purpose or not is still in question as far as I can tell ...
""Rhaegar had chosen Lyanna Stark of Winterfell. Barristan Selmy would have made a different choice. Not the queen, who was not present. Nor Elia of Dorne, though she was good and gentle; had she been chosen, much war and woe might have been avoided. His choice would have been a young maiden not long at court, one of Elia’s companions … though compared to Ashara Dayne, the Dornish princess was a kitchen drab.
Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara’s smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara’s daughter…
But Ashara’s daughter had been stillborn, and his fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief for the child she had lost, and perhaps for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well. She died never knowing that Ser Barristan had loved her. How could she? He was a knight of the Kingsguard, sworn to celibacy. No good could have come from telling her his feelings. No good came from silence either. If I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked to me instead of Stark?
He would never know. But of all his failures, none haunted Barristan Selmy so much as that."
@@StannisHarlock if he lost on purpose he wouldnt be thinking about it because he wouldnt have the option to win. Apparently he is so he didnt.
@@thegreekdeal4747 Losing on purpose doesn't rule out the option to win. It's a choice. George has used this as a plot device several times already.
Ned suggested to Robert that he shouldn't join the Melee because every man out there would choose to lose on purpose. Robert wouldn't be in on it.
He also used it in the Mystery Knight. The person who is supposed to win is almost never in on it when George makes use of this device.
Damn, you get a new mic? Your audio sounds much improved.
I saw somewhere that Lyanna did leave a note to her family regarding her escapade with Rheagar but the note was intercepted by someone who had a grudge against House Stark and had a vested interest in seeing them get in a war with the Iron Throne.
So who was this villain in the shadows? Varys? Tywin? Olenna Tyrel?
It was of course Littlefinger who was still angry about the Brandon/Catelyn thing.
"I saw somewhere that Lyanna did leave a note to her family regarding her escapade with Rheagar" Where did you see this information, please? Was it in a book?
Damn! Ur video got me thinkin!!!! Ok, so check it! So what if Rhaegar, as Aemon said, interprets WRONG. Says, one of the "Dreams" from GoHH, maybe she saw a dragon & a wolf beating the Others! And of course his STOoPID Ego says, that must be me and Lyanna but was really Dany & Jon!!! Rhaegar assumed his son was the Dragon when really his son was the WOLF!! AND Dany the Dragon!!!
I agree with this theory and would like to add a few points that would interesting in a future video. Lyanna was known as a "she-wolf" and we hear that Arya and Lyanna were like eachother. Wolf-blood is a term we hear about Arya, Lyanna, and Brandon Stark (Ned's elder brother). That curious defiant "wolfs-blood" got them in to trouble. Arya has decided that she was not going to be a Lady and Lyanna had the same opinion of being a Lady. Through the circumstances of Game of Thrones, Arya was able to live the life she wanted. Lyanna on the other hand, was betrothed, against her will really, to Robert Baratheon. Lyanna was friends with Howland Reed. We know that his family has greensight because we met Jojen Reed. Howland could be responsible for bringing Ice and Fire together in his generation as Jojen brought Bran Stark to the Three Eyed Raven in his. The story that Howland happened upon the tourney on the way to a quest to the God's Eye might be true but he could have been mission to bring Rhaegar and Lyanna together to "forge lightbringer" At this point in the novels, George Martin could take a hard left from the writing of the producers and our story could be a completely different tale. Here is hoping for a fruitful 2020 for GRRM and that WoW is released by year's end and that ADoS is well under way as well. Thanks for the video.
Rhaegar was not ready for YOUR READ 😂😂😂
One thing this series has show is that chasing prophecies can get you hurt and lead down dangerous roads. Ultimately you either let the prophecy play out or try to speed up the prophecy an risk traveling down a road that's meant or wasn't meant to happen. Rhaegar no doubt did caused a lot of damage but ultimately his part in saving the future of the world will balance out the bad. One thing GRRM isn't trying to do is absolve rhaegar from the mess he created. That's the bitter moment, but the sweet is that the prince/princess that was promise prophecy has been fulfilled and has saved the world. So there your bittersweet.
The only thing that keeps me from blaming Rhaegar for everything is the fact that Dany's dragons wouldn't have lived if he didn't snatch Lyanna away.
@T 2020 If he didn't snatch Lyanna away, Robert wouldn't have rebelled and Daenerys would've born and raised in King's Landing and she wouldn't have been gifted dragon eggs.
@T 2020 if he didn't run of with Lyana there would not be Roberts rebellion, Targaryens would still be rulling and Dany would be living in The Red Keep married to Viserys,or some lord somewhere in the 7 kingdoms. She wouldn't have been married to Drogo,she wouldn't have gotten the eggs from Illirio.
@@soy.sauce.latte. So true, I didn't think of it like that. Rheager actions had consequences for Daenerys.
Said it once...will say it a million times...Rhaeger was a a**hole...that got his whole world ROCKED at the battle of the trident.
P. S. Great video as always...
Elia deserved better
Now that we’ve seen HOD, maybe the mad king told his son of the prophecy? I know it’s not from the books, but I’ve heard that the book tells HOD as a story from someone else and the show is what “actually happened”. And it matches your theory pretty well.
Gray Area (not sure if you've ever mentioned your real name Haha sorry) I've been wondering, can you sing? Seems like a random question, I know, but you have such a smooth, dynamic voice. Usually people who are good singers have melodic speaking voices, like yours.
why can't my life be surrounded by prophecy? I'm such a normie. ha!
great job with this vid I know it's 2+ years later just had to way woah awesome and keep 'em coming.
OMG im just after reading that opening passage for the first time yesterday!!
Brilliant!
Nice video
I really think there is a twist about Ellia Martell dyin (or not dying).
But wait Gray... why would Rhaegar need Wolf’s blood to complete the Song of Ice and Fire when he, Viserys and Daenerys all have Blackwood blood; making them Ice and Fire on their own? Isn’t the Blackwood line as old and rooted to the north as the Starks?
Can you PLEASE do the audiobook??!!