Stannis Baratheon Debate |Obsidian Nights Podcast Special | ASOIAF Podcast
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- Stannis Baratheon is one of the characters of Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire that really inspires Loyalty! People really love Stannis Baratheon! He probably has a bigger fan base than Robert Baratheon or Renly Baratheon! BUT WHY? Why do people love Stannis so much? Why is it about Stannis Baratheon that inspires such love, admiration and loyalty! Well Today we brought on BryndenBfish one of the hosts from the NotACast Podcast, He is One of Stannis's biggesr fans and He will try to convince Ideas of Ice and Fire and Myself to Love Stannis Baratheon!
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How do YOU feel about Stannis Baratheon?
I think he was good and he should have been king
Stannis Baratheon is the one true king.
1. He fought to rescue Sansa.
2. He fought for Ned stark.
3. He respected Jon and regarded him highly calling him Lord commander of the Night's watch with a token of respect all while everyone called him bastard all the time.
4. He was a man of justice( Davos said it many times).
5. He even burned his own only beloved daughter for defeating Boltons and rescuing Sansa which helped Sansa to escape Winterfell and beg for help to Jon (An act for which everyone hates him now, but only idiots who do not understand the context behind it, as if he loved doing it).
6. He gave his word to the Jon about making the wildlings citizens of the realm once they help him win Kingslanding, something even Ned( the so-called nicest guy in GOT) wouldn't do.
7. Mance rayder respected him and wished him luck after hearing that proposal but dickhead was too proud to bent the knee and deserved to be burned alive since he didn't care for his people.
8. Jon snow hypocritically refused to Stannis for saving his sister Sansa but agreed when she escaped and begged him for help.
9. Stannis took the Whitewalker threat seriously and rode North even though he never saw one himself, something that even Ned wouldn't do as we saw before. The King who cared.
10. " We do not choose our destiny, but we must do our duty, great or small, we must do our duty"
11. " I will take back the north from the thieves who stole it, I will mount roose bolton's head on a spike. I will fight to free Winterfell, or die trying."
All while the other Northern houses refused to fight with him and some of them fought for the traitorous Boltons like the Umbers and Carstarks.
Interestingly, these were the cowards who forced Robb to refuse supporting Stannis' claim (something his far superior father Ned stark was ready to die for) and fight with him and to make North an independent kingdom like the fucked up Iron Islands.
And now, these cowards refuse fighting to free Winterfell from the most despised house in the North.
He fulfilled his duty till the very end as a result of which we see a better North politically speaking compared to season 5.
THE ONE TRUE KING - STANNIS BARATHEON
Mad lad
Daenerys has all the qualities that make Stannis great and more. People just hold her to a higher standard because she’s a woman IMO.
Sum Ride YES 💯💯💯
"Renly offered me a peach. At our parley. Mocked me, defied me, threatened me, and offered me a peach. I thought he was drawing a blade and went for mine own. Was that his purpose, to make me show fear? Or was it one of his pointless jests? When he spoke of how sweet the peach was, did his words have some hidden meaning? Only Renly could vex me with a piece of fruit. He brought his doom on himself with his treason, but I did love him, Davos. I know that now. I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brother’s peach."
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon.
The peach scene was by far my favorite part from all of the books.
@@bloodfalconfantastic4445 I love that scene so much 🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑
Millions of peaches, peaches for me 👑
Ser Loras loved Renly's peach too.
So... uhm..., with peach... do they mean ass?
Is Stannis thinking of Renly's, his gay brother's ass, is what I'm asking.
@@TheLastSoundNL lol, pretty sure it was written before that became such a meme. Although granted a peachy ass has been a thing for decades.
"I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?"
In the show he won the battle that ruined Stannis's whole entire career.
We don’t count the show as cannon round here
TwEnTy GoOd MeN
If we believe the lies Dany was told about her fake childhood, takig Dragonstone was easy as the epic storm that no one seems to remember smashed the Targaryan fleet.
@@The80sWolf_ Look they were really good men...
It's unbelievable that he lets them get away with "But Renly didn't commit treachery.", although he takes up arms against his brother, the rightful heir, and plans to kill him, even after Stannis offers him a complete pardon and to make him his heir!
Renly made a special point to his followers on the eve of battle that he wanted his brother taken alive. Renly might’ve taken up arms against his rightful liege, but no one can deny his gallantry.
Renly is gay so what do you expect?
Renly is A Shallow Gay Wishfulfiment fantasy!
@@aurelius8734 Wrong, he makes plans for what to do with Stannis body after the battle, he wants his corpse to be treated with respect, that's it.
How is stannis the rightful heir😂? Bcuz Ned said so? Robert and Ned were usurpers, even if it was to defend their own lives! Stannis is no more the heir than he is the prince who was promised , just like his sword he’s a pretender 🤷🏽♂️ simple and clean.
I’m fond of stannis too but y’all be lying to yourselves.
He’s a bit of hero when he wants to be, but he’s not the rightful king. And if he was as righteous as he tries to make himself out to be he would be trying to get the mad kings kids on the throne. He doesn’t even mention it ever lol
He’s just like “I’m stannis so I’m owed this and I’m owed that. And that one thing, I’m owed that too” but he doesn’t get what everyone else does. No one owes u shit brah. And ur not entitled to nothing but ur opinion. I wouldn’t want my younger sibling ruling over me either but I wouldn’t murder her with blood magic, tf? Who does that 😭
“I hate a good many things, but I suffer them all the same.” - The One True King Stannis Baratheon
Vivek C Nair 🐐🐐🐐
@@aegon1targaryen208
His claim is the true one, he is known for his prowess as a battle commander, and he is utterly without mercy. There is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man.
- Lord Varys
Yeah I'm sure he was truly just when he burnt his daughter alive, Stannis is a religious fool who got dominated into a cult. His duty will be his undoing and he will crash and burn in the books too
@@nousernamerequired2020 spotted the shownly
@Lucimyr Stannis book fuckboy, it's too obvious. Stannis is worse in the books than he is on the show 😀
“I have felt from the beginning that Stannis was a greater danger than all the others combined." Tywin Lannister
And by the end of a dance with dragons, he was the only one of those kings alive.
@@ridensroom6957 Including the fact Tywin himself was dead
With Tywin dead, House Lannister is surrounded by enemies. They have Stannis to The North, Euron to The West, Daenerys to The East, and Aegon to The South.
@Sean Ramsay Good point. The Iron Bank has an alliance with Stannis so they’re not really another independent entity.
@Sean Ramsay That’s a likely scenario as The Golden Company are fighting for Aegon.
“It is strange to find you beside my brother, Lady Stark. Your husband was a supporter of my claim. Lord Eddard's integrity cost him his head, and you sit beside this pretender and chastise me.”
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon
"Nobody likes you, or wants you to be in charge."
- The Entirety of Westeros
She was chastising them both for acting like children!
@@jacksonfurlong3757 Then why does he has an army and he has been smashing people non-stop?
Order of The Green Hand 🤚
Katlyn Stark Sucks.
It’s the best podcast ever.
Stannis isn’t the one true king. Ironically he’s the one true pretender since Robb was made king. Renly knows he’s taking the throne and just being honest about it. And Joffrey actually believes he’s roberts son. Stannis truly believes in his mind he’s owed the throne 😂 while knowing that actual heirs to the throne (targareyans) exist. He’s a hypocrite on his best days, and davos is the one who keeps him from fuckin it up worse. Honestly
"Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing." -funniest line in the books
Jan Wouter also shows how problematic he is since he thinks she’s to blame. Never mind she never had any choices
@@oliviawilliams6204 to be fair, the only characters, who have semi modern, progressive views on sex, sexulity, politics, religion, human rights etc are well... the youth - Jon, Sam, Arya, Dany. In my opinion that's one of the main themes in the books - young characters either repeat the history and die or learn, change and kickstart a new, better world. I definitely disagree with the typical interpretation of books being a never ending cycle of history, there would be no point in writing the novels then.
@@ocandro That's not wrong. Just interesting to note how such a justice minded character as Stanis see women in general, and Gilly in particular, she's clearly a victim, but he don't see it at all. On the other hand he's not above castrating rapist
@@oliviawilliams6204 Stannis is way too strict on sexuality, but on the other hand is the only one that manages to keep his army in check. Lannisters and Starks burned, destroyed and raped anything they found in their paths. The few soldiers who dared to rape someone in Stannis' army were castrated immediately.
@@justthunderbolt40 Ppl should really understand by now, that in George r.r. Martins world. Good guys and bad guys don’t exist, no character is evil nor are they the classic noble hero. They are all human, bad things are done with good reasoning behind them. Everyone is the good guy in their own story, and they’re fighting the evil in their adversaries when they wage war. Their opposition shares the same story, everything ultimately boils down to the power struggle. The guy arguing for Stannis understands this for the most part. Magic is power in George’s world, it’s always a dangerous thing and often requires a sacrifice of some sort. Gray area and the other guy love Dany, in their mind she’s this great good the guy even mentions how here ppl worship her. But Dany’s power is in her dragons, who were born out of sorcery. She unknowingly you can argue, sacrificed her child and Drogo to the witch. She dabbled in “dark” magic, I put that in quotes because all magic is dark because it is power like I said. In real life power brings out the worst in ppl, Dany had a dream and walked into Drogos pyre. And when it burned out she was there unburnt and the mother of three dragons. Which is kind of the ultimate power, remember Aegon took 7 kingdoms and made them one with no army at his back when he invaded. Just two sisters and three dragons. So Dany is no better than Stannis, George purposely blurs the lines between the two. But Dany will end up being corrupted by her power (magic) as well.
"Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne."
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon.
TV Show viewers didn't realize that it was Stannis because of whom the Battle of the bastards was won.
How???
He was the one who gave the ships to Jon to rescue the Wildlings from Hard home in the first place, there's a final scene between Jon and Stannis where Stannis talks to Jon about the ships, watch it out.
Otherwise, no one was ready to fight for Jon and the Wildlings would be extinct without the ships anyway.
@@VivekCNair-jy4ct also the night's watch was only alive because stannis saved them from the wildling army.
I just love the conversations between him and Davos about duty, honor, and justice.
Also in the books Tywin still knows that Stannis is still going to fight and calls Pycell a fool for dismissing him. "The man will fight until the bitter end and then some."
Also in Book 5 everyone in WinterFell was nervous about him attacking that a drum beat on the outside made people whisper "Stannis".
He is just a great character
The whisper scene just gives me goosebumps
@@isaacmendes1926 “Stannis is here”
“Stannis has come”
“Stannis, Stannis…”
It‘s actually a couple of reasons (at least in the books):
-He doesn‘t bend which is quite admirable
-had a hard childhood, you kind of feel for him
-no matter how Robert (mis-)treated him, he stood loyal by his brothers side and did what was expected (Roberts Rebellion, Dragonstone, Greyjoy Rebellion)
-one of the few nobles that actually kind of listens to a commoner (Davos)
-knows his weaknesses (for example when others compare him to Robert) and accepts and values „special counsel“ like Jon Snow and Davos or the Mountain Clans, when they are more experienced in their subject than his arrogant Bannermen from the South
-tactically sound and experienced, rather retreats to fight another day then risking everything to gain glory
-with the end of Storm of swords basically the only person openly opposing the Lannister’s and Bolton’s with far inferior resources and power
-saved the Nights Watch and the wall; but this point needs to be thought of if it perhaps was a mistake after the end of Dance of Dragons
and has the sickest sense of humor of the seven kingdoms. He is so bitter and rigid that you never know when he jokes and when he doesnt.
He never bends because he is like iron. Iron doesnt bend but it breaks.
@@michelmorio8026 ... i know :D
Robert didn't mistreat Stannis by giving him Dragonstone. That was Robert marking him as an heir. That should be something Stannis acknowledges and uses to win more folks over.
Bob Hollywood from the title, that‘s true, but he should get Storms End AND „Prince of Dragonstone“! Robert gave one of the Grand Titles (and it‘s large incomes) to a little boy st that time (Renly) for no service while Stannis, who fought twice for his elder brother gets a title that later goes anyway to his „nephew“ the son of Robert! You see what this service did to Stannis, would‘ve been Lord of Storms End, there wouln‘t be major problems with vassals when he „rebelled“ cause they woulnd‘t know Renly as their formal Overlord, he had many years to form bonds with them (Stannis wouldn‘t have done that, but they surely would have declared for him)
It‘s like in the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations or England itself, you would rather be the Duke of York or Bavaria than the Prince of Wales or the Archduke! Until you really become king, these are hollow titles with no real power at all out of the name itself
Yea Stannis committed kinslaying but Renly betrayed Stannis first by naming himself king and the punishment for treason is death
Everyone who has broken guest right or commited kinslaught is marked for doom.
And no one mentioned that if Renly won he’d probably have to kill Stannis and Shireen to secure his flimsy position. He had to have known that from the beginning. Renly basically signed their death warrants the moment he decided to usurp Stannis.
This is why the guy on this debate who keeps on saying stannis is shit because he killed renly is being stupid. He should remember that this is GOT/ASOIF not some disney story. I bet he just hates it because some sort of shadow is used
Chad Harless He didn’t really kill him by his own hand sort of really?
I have read in an interview that even the actor portraying the character didn’t understand Stannis !
"We all know what my brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell … or die in the attempt."
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon,
“When Eddard Stark learnt the truth, he told only me. I'll not make the same mistake. Send copies of that letter to every corner of the realm, from the Arbor to the Wall. The time has come to choose. Let no man claim ignorance as an excuse."
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon , a jibe at your favorite Byronic hero " Jaime Lannister."
I wish Robb Stark wasn't King In The North because he obviously would've bent the knee to Stanins. Their union would've united the realm.
“Make it Sir Jamie Lannister the Kings layer, whatever else he is the mans still a knight.”
I think Ned was trying to prevent a war but it backfired. He thought he could make a smooth transition, prevent Cersei’s kids from getting slaughtered like the Targaryens and have everything on the up and up….
He thought…
Ned is just traumatized by how Roberts rebellion ended and didn’t wanna witness that again
@@blacklite911 Something tells me Kings Landing will face another massacre.
the two people against stannis forget for some reason that renly turned against his brother, when stannis was the rightful heir
If we forgive treason, any and all crimes will go unpunished in the future.
"I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold and heavy on the head, but so long as I am the king, I have a duty … If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark … Sacrifice … is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice."
- The One True King Stannis Baratheon.
Firefly Phoenix Stannis wanted to “scour the court clean”, not burn the entire city to the fucking ground
Vivek C Nair if you’re a Marvel fan, I think you’ll appreciate my profile pic... i made a shirt with this quote on it
@@garrettbaratheon567
Sorry, I'm not a Marvel fan, I like DC though but not a fan of that either.
@Firefly Phoenix
Stannis would never have tolerated the plotters and intriguers who brought down Robert.
@@alanpennie8013 Stannis would have executed:
Jaime for killing king Aerys
Pycelle for betraying his king (convincing him to open the gates before Tywin)
I don't know about Varys
The Mountain, for murdering little children and Elia Martell
Tywin Lannister, for plundering the city and as liege lord of The Mountain
So yes, it would clean ths court and the kingdom
If Ned Stark saw him as honorable and the next true King after Robert's death, then it must be so.
I actually completely disagree with that.
Stannis didn't like nor dislike Ned but at least Ned tried to give the throne to Stannis but he should have been way smarter about it. He decided to try and play the game way too late when he shouldn't have trusted Littlefinger, sent his daughters to Dragonstone, leaned a bit more on Varys' side (although Varys real goal was to put Aegon on the iron throne, the Lannisters' were the more immediate enemies) and told Robert the truth, even if it was on his deathbed. He should have also sent a raven or messenger back to Winterfell to tell Robb the truth of the matter to pledge the North to Stannis (as he was leaning towards doing so on the show but in the Books by the point of Neds' death, Robb had already been on the march) and possibly arrested Baelish for the assassination of Jon Arryn, had he found good enough evidence but that would have been a real long shot.
Legally he was Robert's heir, since Robert had no legitimate sons.
@@MrKILLINOOBZ Ned should've done the same thing Renly did. Run back home as fast as possible and gather his bannermen.
@@MrShaneVicious I like Stannis, but it would have seemed a lot self serving than if he’d tried to tell Robert, Ned, Renly or Barristan about the incest.
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good."-The One True King Stannis Baratheon
Stannis idiot did you need to write so many messages
@Vik D How is asking a Stannis fan if he needed to quote the guy so many times automatically evidence that he's an idiot?
Edit: had to fix a line mistake.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 The Northerners, Valemen, Ironborn, Westerners, Stormlanders, Reachmen, and Dornishmen saw Aegon as a foreign invader, a conqueror. The Riverlords however saw him as a liberator. In that situation, The Riverlords sided with Aegon because they've been conquered and enslaved by The Ironborn. Stannis is a badass, the rightful heir, and anybody who denies it forget that The Baratheons have Targaryen blood. He isn't even fighting for The Iron Throne in the books, he's just trying to unite The North against The Others.
@@gfilmer7150 I can't believe I have to ask this, but have you been PAYING ATTENTION to WHAT Stannis was doing before Feast for Crows?
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Yeah, Stannis was fighting for The Iron Throne in ACOK and ASOS but he went North and defeated The Wildlings like an absolute badass. He will continue his fight for The Iron Throne once The Others are dealt with because they are the biggest threat to HIS realm.
Yes Stannis talks down to his Selyse and Asha but to be fair Selyse isn't exactly the most pleasant person and Asha is Ironborn. Take into consideration the women he had been around including Cersei and Lysa. He was respectful to Catelyn Stark.
In addition- he keeps Melisandre around for advice and her influence. If he really was that much of a misogynist I doubt he’d let her get as far as she does, he’d call her a witch or a whore or something and kill/hang her for it, or at the very least dismiss her “because she’s a woman and women don’t have good ideas”
Robert is "Steel", true steel that everyone admires
Stannis is "Iron", pure iron, strong, hard but "brittle", he never bends, he would rather break before he bends.
Renly is "copper" , shiny, beautiful and good to look at, but not worth that much at the end.
Donal Noye
Not to be an asshole, but pure iron is less brittle than steel because of the lower carbon content. You may be thinking of cast iron which matches the description of the material qualities that you gave.
@@beaudowns51 dont ruin a good comment with facts
@@beaudowns51
I meant he would
" break before he bends", it won't bend but it would rather break up whichever form of Iron it is.
And since it is a medieval age story, don't think there were that many types of iron back then.
Vivek C Nair iron definitely bends
Stannis absolutely gets extra points for *listening, changing his mind, and believing* in the advice and guidance he's given. He hears a lot of HARD hard truths, and although he's a stubborn prick he doesn't allow that to lead him to folly - i.e. Jon advising him not to attack the dreadfort, and Davos telling him to go North. It's such an understated and hugely important aspect of a good and fair leader
What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance.
Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers.
Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance! - Davos
u rmr tht he did the leech spell tht arguably doomed Robb right?
@@kesavenelayapallavan256 robb was a thief. he didn't bend the knee so he destroyed him just like jofferey and renly
not vengeance, justice
The whole thematic purpose of the books is against the concept of vengeance smh lol
I know the cost! Last night, gazing into that hearth, I saw things in the flames as well. I saw a king, a crown of fire on his brows, burning… burning, Davos. His own crown consumed his flesh and turned him into ash. Do you think I need Melisandre to tell me what that means? Or you?
-Stannis to Davos Seaworth
Stannis knows he is going to die but he will keep fighting to the very end, for the Realm
Vanessa I believe this because after Stannis finds out that selyse burned Shireen he will then burn Selyse to punish her, then he will burn himself out of shame.
@@tulkas42o22 maybe hr thinks his blood will stop the WW and sacrifice himself
Overrated Stannis barathoen
@Gooby What because I said he's overrated, it's you who acting immature and inferior in the brain, due to not being able to take someone else's opinion.
Either he dies from the stone dragons that Melisandre would awake (which didn’t happen) or Dany, that or it wa actually someone else who died
I was a little bummed you guys didn't bring up what Staniis was trying to do regarding Renly. One of them had to die, or at least lose all power. In Stannis mind he has to win, to save the world. And we know he isn't happy about Renly's death. I also think that Stannis looks so physically different from his brothers, because he starved for them. He is thin and bald because he gave what little food he had during the siege to his little brother.
Love BOOK Stannis ❤️
Love the Book Dorne
Stannis is trash
@@themoonisnotreal6291 Same goes for you.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Same goes for your mother
@@donone352 So's yours.
Stannis will always be the 🐐🐐🐐 D&D are trash for what they did to him on the show!
I agree. The way they portrayed him made me so angry.
Don't worry if TWOW does come out. Fire and Blood volume was awesome loved the part of Saera and what she did to court's clown convince to walk up the throne and getting killed.
Stannis needs to die in the first chapter of the next book Grrm writes, he need to get put down for his crimes the lunatic.
@@melissahefling3404 I thought the actor who played him was Brilliant he really captured his essence and was one of the best castings in the series
@@Mvenven I never said anything negative about Dillane, I thought the character was perfectly cast. How the writers portrayed Stannis on the show, however, was total bull. He wasn't some heartless, daughter killing, blood thirsty wanna be king, he was a much deeper more complex character and one of the only truly honorable characters left after the last book.
Sorry lady, Stannis Baratheon is the One True King of Westeros.
Say whatever you want, there's no one like Stannis Baratheon.
Pffffhahahaha, One true king????, He wasn't even Roberts heir, Stannis is a fraud
@@donone352 So were Robert's supposed legitimate children.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Joffery is Roberts legitimate child.
@@donone352 He's an incest product courtesy of Cersei and Jaime.. Have you actually WATCHED the show or READ the books?!
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Both, you asked me who his legitimate child is and by law that's Joffery Baratheon. Gendry is Roberts biological son but he's a bastard and not legitimate. Joffery is Roberts hier not Stannis.
His claim is the true one, he is known for his prowess as a battle commander, and he is utterly without mercy. There is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man.
- Lord Varys
Vivek C Nair
It's crazy that Robert kept Varys on as Master of Whispers when he did such a terrible job for Aerys.
@@alanpennie8013
It should be Stannis who must have ruled after the WAR, not that dumb whoremonger.
@@VivekCNair-jy4ct true. Robert might have had some chances to be good ruler, but he went totally useless after Lyanna's death
No it's not, he's a usaper along with his brother
@@ninjakick1375 And Rhaegar was a bonafide idiot, so what's your point?
As a Veteran i always loved having leaders like Stannis. In war he has 3 great traits he's thoughtful confident and decisive.
It is hard to imagine what could frighten Stannis Baratheon, who had once held Storm's End through a year of siege, surviving on rats and boot leather while the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne sat outside with their hosts, banqueting in sight of his walls.
-Lord Ned Stark.
Only for his traitorous brother to align himself with them... SMH
Stannis puts duty and justice above himself. People like him because our society ONLY rewards pure sociopathic selfishness.
Interesting take. With much truth.
I still back Stannis in the books, and was heartbroken when he died in the show.
Stannis was rigid, ruthless and cold but, he was honest. His claim to the throne was actually lawful. My only problem with him was how he caved to the Red Woman and bought into the prophecy completely.
No it's not lawful, only a targaryen can sit on the throne both visery and Daenery have a better blood claim than stannis
@@jimfox1477 The rebellion established a new line of succession, IMO. The Baratheons had the throne, right of succession and consensus of the people and institutions.
He books is a little different and this Stannis wouldn't burning his Daughter and only heir. I believe it will be wife.
@@markrogers6702 The Baratheon claim is based on having targaryen blood, robert having a targaryen grandmother is what won him the iron throne, the Westeros lords supported him in the end because of the law. Tywin challenged Robert for the throne after Aerys was killed, but the lords of westeros supported Robert due to his targaryen heritage The reason why Robert want Visery and Daenerys dead is because both have a stronger claim to that targaryen throne than he does, they undermine him.
@@jimfox1477 Now there no Targaryens and Jon Snow will be having any wife or children This is such BS. they should have Danerys had a baby first then killed her.
He was the one of the five kings who really had a sense of duty when it comes to the realm. You can really see that he wants the throne not because he wants to live more luxurious life, instead he really feels like it is his duty to rule justly over Westeros.
Justice is a main theme when it comes to Stannis and this is why I think he didnt get the support he wanted from the noble houses of westeros when he claimed the iron throne for himself. I think that a lot of the noble houses know that they are illoyal and treasonous the realm and even towards their subjects, but that is not important as long as someone like the lannisters are in charge, because they are only concerned about their own well being. But Stannis on the other hand does not forget such things and he does not forgive such things.
Even Varys said that Stannis terrifies nearly everyone at court because he is just and no monster is nearly as frightening as a truly just man.
Ranked from best to worst
War of The Five Kings part 1:
1. Stannis Baratheon
2. Robb Stark
3. Renly Baratheon
4. Balon Greyjoy
5. Joffrey “Baratheon”
War of The Five Kings part 2:
1. Stannis Baratheon
2. Aegon VI “Young Griff” Targaryen
3. Daenerys Targaryen
4. Tommen “Baratheon”
5. Euron Greyjoy
Stannis relationship with his wife is off and he is a misogynist ... boy.
Firstly, Selyse is described as being unpleasant. Secondly, she cannot bear him a son. A valid reason in the world of Ice and Fire to kick her out and take another wife. Stannis doesn't - and he is a misogynist? The dude that moved heaven and earth to save his daughter when she got greyscale even though everybody told him to let her die? The dude that lets the red priestess tell him what to do? That guy is a misogynist, a woman-hater?
Come on!
Also: How is Stannis having Renly killed a bad thing?
Renly BETRAYED Stannis and is willing to kill him in order to take the throne for himself. Let's say your parents die, right? Now you have a brother that decides: 'You know what? I'll kill my brother and take it all.' This man has forsaken the bond of blood, killing him is just putting down a dog. Or would you say that Stannis should roll over and let Renly kill him? RENLY was the one that started this fight, how can you blame Stannis for winning it?
Why do many fans love Stannis?
Stannis has it hard and people don't like him even though he always does his best. All he wants is for people to respect him and do the right thing as he does ... a lot of fans can relate to him, even though many are not as strong as to always do the right thing. He is very much a hero in that respect.
These people dont understand that when renly declared himself king against his rightfull liege he became a traitor and rebel , the punishment is death.
Probably hating Stannis because of a morality view point
Also, his dislike of Asha makes sense without being misogynistic. He personally fought her family, the Greyjoys were widely despised anyway, and she's literally a pirate who is actively threatening his kingdom. The only part I can see her being a woman could come in is that she's raiding like her brothers would, and not wearing dresses (you'd have to call basically every character in ASOIAF a misogynist by that standard) etc. But that's probably the reason at the very bottom of the list, because she literally enables her warriors to kill and rape whoever they like. People seem to forget the Greyjoys suck, just because we don't see their raids from the lowborns perspective. Stannis has very strong morals, Asha conflicts with them regardless of her gender.
He’s a misogynist but one of his closest advisors is a women that he agrees and listens to a lot. He gelds the rapists of wilding women at the Wall after defeating Manse. Not to mention he is closed the brothels down in Dragonstone and despises the institution as a whole. Misogynist in this type of era rape, abuse, use women, creating bastards as they please and all of the society ostracizes the women/children. He has this power and much more of it then your average lord, not only doesn’t he participates he actively punishes those who do. This is pretty rare in the books and show.
Stannis may be a kinslayer, but if he didn’t use the shadow to kill Renly, then Renly would’ve killed him in the battle and become a kinslayer himself. Renly specifically says that he would kill Stannis. So really, it was just a matter of who would kill the other first, and Stannis won, and without a massive battle which is a plus.
Stannis didn’t kill his brother a shadow baby from Melisandre did, is Dany a kin slayer for standing by and watching her brother get killed.
As stannis himself said "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward"
He’s not a kingslayer because Renly was never king
@@michaelclifford7214 Kinslayer, not Kingslayer (Kin = family)
Just starting this now but I LOVE STANNIS. True, fair, honorable, the rightful king, and hasn't killed any kids in the books yet.
I have no opinion on Stannis one way or the other, but I do regret how he was treated on the show. I strongly suspect that Stannis is meant to go out in a blaze of glory. In keeping with GRRM's inspiration from history, I always thought Stannis would die the same way as Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings. And like with the real Harold, his death will be controversial in the sense that a lot of people won't believe it. People will continue to follow him long after he is dead, causing all kinds of trouble.
This is a great analogy and I never thought about it like that. Who would be Harold hadrada and William the conqueror in this case,
@@mijanhoque1740It isn't an absolute comparison. I was thinking specifically how Harold died. Nobody knows the identity of the archer whose arrow killed him. Given that Ramsay is supposed to be a skilled archer it could easily be him. But it is just as likely that we will only hear of Stannis' death by 3rd person. The idea being that we won't KNOW that he's dead. So that throughout the rest of the story we are left hanging - 'will he really appear?'
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He might be willingly faking his own death. Have you read The Mannifesto? It's an essay made by a guy named Cantuse and even when I disagree on so many things with him I agree completely on Stannis having an elaborate complot to win that battle of Ice.
He even said to Ser Justin Massey that "he might hear of his death but still he should bring those sellswords"
@@luciamota1249 George in an interview mentioned that he was working on a twist, a lot of ppl think Stannis faking his own death is the twist
Just because he is like us:
doing his job - and no one thanks
getting a claim - and all refuse
doing the right things - and noone loves
He offers all the World needs:
duty, honesty, fairness;
But the World votes for eyecandy, illusions and empty ballons.
Zoe Fezius
Yes. He's what Kipling would call a Son of Martha. He does the right thing and gets no credit because he lacks the easy charm of a Son of Mary like Renly.
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He would. He's the nearest thing Westeros has to a revolutionary. It's a bit like 1960s Laos where the communist guerillas were led by a prince.
Oh, I was forgetting that the Sparrows are revolutionaries too. Unfortunately they're not likely to rally to Stannis.
Alan Pennie actually Dorne can be consideres revolutionary too, the way they see bastards and women claims on the throne/titles and etcetera
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This is certainly true if you're a Master Plan believer (which I kinda am).
Unfortunately any revolutionary potential in Dorne is likely to be vitiated by that desire for petty revenge which consumes the sand snakes and appears to afflict Doran himself.
I have felt from the beginning that Stannis was a greater danger than all the others combined.
-Tywin, before the Blackwater.
Oh man do you ever fucking quit lol
@@tammichenard1024 Because cool quotes from the books are one of things we love about Stannis. Any other else characters have it.
@@martind5653 Cool quotes?, stannis is all mouth and no action
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No action!! He was the one who defeated the wildlings and saved the nightswatch. It was him who held Storm’s End for Robert.
It was him who exposed Joffrey's bastard status into into realm.
It was him who defeated the Greyjoys in the sea during the Greyjoy rebellion.
All mouth, no action is said by an idiot whose avatar is an arsenal logo - a joke football club in world football right now.
@@VivekCNair-jy4ct Big deal, anyone can beat the wildlings.
Stormsend, who cares, he didn't do that in the main books, your living off past glory
Stannis didn't expose Joffery , Ned did.
Gray joys, who cares, again your living off his past glory.
I just like to add , stannis got slapped at the blackwater by tyrion
Stannis, the greatest military tactician in Westeros... mostly because he doesn't stick the whole of his army outside the castle walls while defending.
nah hes rlly not manz lost to Tyrion who isnt even a commander
Lol, stannis lost to tyrion and only won against his brother due to Mel, you have no evidence in making that statement
@@donone352 Oh, shit, guys! Someone on the internet has declared shennanigans on one of my comments from over a year ago! I must defend it post-haste!
Nah, if you both need the win, take it. I hope it serves you well.
@@kesavenelayapallavan256 Stannis actually beat Tyrion and the garrison of Kings Landing, it was Tywin’s and the Tyrells cavalry reinforcements that turned the battle around. The Red Keep was about to fall, that is why Circei was about to kill herself and her children.
@@donone352 lol show pleb don't know about the battle off Fair Isle
Renly declared war against his own brother, how is Stannis treacherous for defending himself from such treason, using the only means at his disposal?
Had the battle at Storm's End actually happened, would Renly not have been a treacherous kinslayer for betraying his older brother, and stealing his army?
Penrose chose to die rather than give him up. It still angers me. How could he think I would hurt the boy? I chose Robert, did I not? When that hard day came. I chose blood over honor.[5]
-Stannis Baratheon to Davos Seaworth
Stannis: "fewer".
Stannis chose Davos as his hand, need I say more? The only other characters in the entirety of the series (that I can think of) to extend the same respect and awareness to the intelligence and worth of the common folk are Jaherys and Good queen Alyssan, Arthur Dayne, Aemon Targaryen, Egg and maybe Daenyrs. The members of the Nobility who genuinely look out for the common folk are the good guys, they’re the ones who’d help you out. That’s why people like Stannis.
As to why people don’t like Stannis, well: Stannis has a conscience, integrity, a sense of duty and is completely uncharismatic. This lack of charisma is the reason people struggle to engage with Stannis. He has just as much integrity and duty as Ned, but we don’t get the chance to enter his head and see beyond the appearances that the great Lord or one true king must present.
Remember Stannis as the small boy who saw his parents die from afar. He’s a good intelligent bloke, trying to do the right thing. His biggest obstacle is his personality and the way he communicates, it’s why he has such little support in the Kingdoms. Judge the man on his actions and intentions and you’ll like him, just like Davos the Manos.
29 minutes and change into the video BryndenBFish just nails it. Stannis and his line may fall but he, like Waymar Royce vs The Others and Brienne of Tarth vs pick any instance will stand and fight against evil. The result of the fight is irrelevant, what matters is he stands. He knows he's going down, he says so to Davos but he's going to go forward and defend the realm as best he can.
He didn't nail a thing, his opinions are kind of lame, lame like stannis character
@@donone352
You support Arsenal, talking about shitty opinions is unbefitting of you.
Stannis was the only one who didn’t want a crown in the entire War of the Five Kings. But when it was made clear that he was the rightful heir he was the ONLY one who acted in a kingly manner. Robb, who everyone was rooting for, was a child who was trying to split the rightful heir’s kingdom in two. Had he never crowned himself King (or accepted the crown), he and Stannis would have made natural allies. Balon was strictly an opportunist, a pirate and a pillager. Tywin was trying to keep the crown on a bastard child with no right to the throne. Renly was pure vanity. Then you have Daenerys who lost her house’s claim to the throne when Robert killed Rhaegar at the Trident. Stannis is the only rightful heir and the only one who didn’t seek the crown out of ambition or revenge. He was the only one who gave a damn about his kingdom. He was the most fair ruler without being soft or making dumb decisions. He was the most honorable and dutiful ruler. He did everything the right way with the exception of Renly’s murder. Jon said that to win the North from the Boltons he must win the lords of the North and the Mountain clans. He did that. He was the only one who could or would repay the debt owed to the Iron Bank of Braavos. And of course he was the only one who answered the call of the Night’s Watch and smashed the wildlings and still 9 of every 10 of Mance Rayder’s men joined his side. That’s why we love him. He commands loyalty.
Honestly, it's not just Stannis himself, but his household. I love the dichotomy of Davos and Melisandre being the sort-of Angel and Devil on Stannis' shoulders. I love that he is devoted to his daughter but is not really good at expressing it. He also beat the Ironborn at sea, that's no small feat.
He is my king. Now and always.
I agree with grayarea around 33:00 into the video. Stannis will be remembered and somewhat appreciated by the north when he is gone. I am one that feels he will win the battle of ice at the lake decisively. He'll take winterfell away from the boltons and the north will remember. Sometime after Shireen is burned(not by stannis most likely by selyse) his swift downfall will end in shame, perhaps after he kills or burns selyse then burning himself! The north will see that as honorable . Great video Gray , awesome guests👏👏👏
May the others take david benniof and D.B WEISS for betraying the material
Oh they will. They will when the Winds of Winter arrive.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 I hope it will arrive soon
What made me admire and really see stannis for who he truly is was the nuances. One thing most people dont notice is that along all the books, nobles constantly smear people as "lowborn" implying they are inferior. Stannis when speaking about this, uses "of humble birth". He dosent disparage, mock, or belittle people who arent nobles. He takes into account only actions and character, not judging based on gender, race or station. In the Asha chapters, while wandering the camp, she notices that while th nobles were kinnda meh about stanniis, the common folk and the soldiers had great admiration and cnfidence in the king.
probaly one of the reasons the nobles are meh for him
“ Go on then, DO YOUR DUTY.” Stannis was the rightful king and a certified BAMF.
For me, my love for Stannis stems from the fact that he is really the only one left from the Stark/Baratheon/Tully/Arryn alliance of Roberts Rebellion. They were the underdog and even in Roberts Rebellion was based on a lie and a flawed cause, I will root for Bobby B’s cause time after time. And Stannis himself is the underdog of the underdogs. He is the rightful king yet all of the other kings featured in the War of the Five Kings gets way more love. He has to fight his ass off just to fulfill his duties and gets no love for it. Yes, he is flawed but so is everyone. I don’t worship him but I sure as hell root for him because honestly there is no one left to root for. (R.I.P. Ned and Robb)
Mel wanted to burn Edric to wake the Stone Dragon, Stannis went North to save the Nights Watch. Can't conflate the two
I want to give some personality reasons. Stannis is on some level, the kind of man men deep inside look up to. There is something special about his brand of honor that really inspires people. In many ways, he's a true man who makes responsibility the core of his being. In every situation, he shows a part of himself that reflects what most men deep inside admire. He points of Jaime's flaw as kingslayer and father of Cersei's kids, but makes sure to acknowledge him as Ser. He didn't want the throne, but he believes in doing his duty, no matter small or great. And for all the talk of Stannis being iron, he actually moves between being iron and being malleable at good points. He actually LISTENS to Davos and Jon and benefits from that, even when he had every right to imprison Davos a second time and manages to negotiate with the Northern Mountain folk of all people. He is a purveyor of justice in that he wished to reward Davos, but had to punish him by cutting his fingers off first.
And he does this despite getting the short end of the stick (or perhaps because he got it and this was all that was left him). Compared to his brothers, he wasn't as charismatic, likable, lovable, good looking, or personable. He had very little going for him. He was dealt a bad hand over and over again. In that way, Stannis feels like person we are most like. We know what it's like to not be born with everything. So when it's Stannis' moment to shine. Stannis is also a play on the chosen one trope. He has a story concept similar to that of fantasy protaganists like Rand Al'Thor, but if you took away half the things going for them. And even then, the prophecy that makes him a chosen one is suspect. This only makes one cheer for him more.
This may be a strange comparison, but I think Stannis embodies some of the characteristics of Jordan Peterson. And when you think about it, fits. In an age of people who are playing men, Stannis' positive attributes come off as the kinds of things people really want to be. And that just makes him stand out.
Lol no way is he like JBP. He is made out of pure iron, not a crying mess of a grown up man.
Damn you made a good point
One of them is drug addicted fraud, the other one is Stannis. How can you even compare those two is beyond me.
you keep saying ''we'', but you mean ''I''.
I always thought Stannis being sort of a “double bluff” chosen one would be one of the most fascinating concepts and I’ve never seen it before, like he’s propped up as this chosen one, we are continuously shown that he’s not “the special one”, but against all odds he continues on relentlessly doing the right thing, defending the realm, the only king recognizing the true threat of the Others, and if he actually ended up being the main character to deal with the threat of the Others (along with Jon and others of course) that would be brilliant storytelling… i also read a Reddit thread where he was compared to Batman that you might like
I agree that stanis killimg renly with magic is no differemt then dany using dragons to kill. Its no differemt then blood ravens arrow. If you got a gun u use it u dont use a sword
People always get hung up on the method or morality of how a character kills someone but fail to understand the basic circumstances. Dead is dead, what should Stannis have done? Bend the knee and accept the Tyrells ruling through Renly as the Lannisters ruled through Robert, eventually killing both him, Stannis and likely Shireen as well when Margaery births a son? Fought a hopeless battle in which THOUSANDS of men would have died pointlessly on both sides, leaving Westeros to corruption and tyranny? Or avoid the battle all together and save them, by killing Renly? An avowed traitor and usurper, who himself had ordered his men to kill Stannis in battle and would likely kill Shireen as well. He was even planning to usurp power from Robert with the Tyrells but Cersei had him killed before that could happen but everyone always seems to conveniently forget those parts. As Tywin said 'Explain to me how it is more honourable to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner'?
Stannis ‘da Mannis! Intelligent, Realistic, Committed and Principled. Ridged on what’s Right, and what’s wrong. Along these lines, this is likely why he and Melissandra are compatible ( Dark/Light, “Onions are All Good, or all Bad”...) He personifies “Middle Child Syndrome”....which of course, is an actual, very real thing ... (speaking as a Middle Child and expert on the subject...) He is however a man that is frustrated because he has done everything “right”, and yet, is rarely rewarded or recognized....and that’s all he desires. He keeps trying, Makes Family sacrifices, puts up with siblings mockings, brave and relentless in battle and loyalty, receives Lesser rewards for those sacrifices, unhappy in marriage, yet faithful to wife ( ...until Melissandra), devoted and caring Father - went to all ends to have Shereen cured and feels responsible cause he took the bait, and purchased that doll ( ...until Shereen’s burning) . This is all exemplary, of someone who has had the lived experience of living Murphy’s Law . Stannis cannot win for loosing, and if it wasn’t for bad luck, he’d have no luck at all! Yet he keeps on the righteous path and may believe his luck has got to change if only he keeps moving forward and does not succumb to defeat. He watch his parents die helplessly and after, rejected religion and fairness in life thereafter. He was once sweet & loving ( stuck with his falcon that could not fly and was hard pressed to give up on him. This is the reason he is so Acerbic and has developed that keen wit and sarcastic sense of humor. He is hilarious at times, if you pay attention. WOW sample chapter, a great example. I think he collars and his open to some of Melissandra’s counscil and sorcery, not because he believes, just because he’s giving something different a try because his way has not worked. Deep down I believe he feels he is damned and so just rigidly “ does his duty”, on the path he believes is right, for the outcome he believes should occur, and so thinks let the chips fall, where they may...”Destiny is All”!!!!!
Stannis Baratheon is the one true king.
1. He fought to rescue Sansa.
2. He fought for Ned stark.
3. He respected Jon and regarded him highly calling him Lord commander of the Night's watch with a token of respect all while everyone called him bastard all the time.
4. He was a man of justice( Davos said it many times).
5. He even burned his own only beloved daughter for defeating Boltons and rescuing Sansa which helped Sansa to escape Winterfell and beg for help to Jon (An act for which everyone hates him now, but only idiots who do not understand the context behind it, as if he loved doing it).
6. He gave his word to the Jon about making the wildlings citizens of the realm once they help him win Kingslanding, something even Ned( the so-called nicest guy in GOT) wouldn't do.
7. Mance rayder respected him and wished him luck after hearing that proposal but dickhead was too proud to bent the knee and deserved to be burned alive since he didn't care for his people.
8. Jon snow hypocritically refused to Stannis for saving his sister Sansa but agreed when she escaped and begged him for help.
9. Stannis took the Whitewalker threat seriously and rode North even though he never saw one himself, something that even Ned wouldn't do as we saw before. The King who cared.
10. " We do not choose our destiny, but we must do our duty, great or small, we must do our duty"
11. " I will take back the north from the thieves who stole it, I will mount roose bolton's head on a spike. I will fight to free Winterfell, or die trying."
All while the other Northern houses refused to fight with him and some of them fought for the traitorous Boltons like the Umbers and Carstarks.
Interestingly, these were the cowards who forced Robb to refuse supporting Stannis' claim (something his far superior father Ned stark was ready to die for) and fight with him and to make North an independent kingdom like the fucked up Iron Islands.
And now, these cowards refuse fighting to free Winterfell from the most despised house in the North.
He fulfilled his duty till the very end as a result of which we see a better North politically speaking compared to season 5.
THE ONE TRUE KING - STANNIS BARATHEON
Boss
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And it was because of Stannis' charge that Sansa escaped Winterfell, otherwise Ramsay would've never left the room, you know!!
Otherwise, no one was ready to fight for Jon and the Wildlings would be extinct without the ships anyway.
Stannis is pure trash
He curse Rob Stark, He didn't care for Ned Stark , but he did respect him. He probably think how use Sansa to bring the North to him.
He did not kill Shireen. No way George is gonna make stannis kill her.
Great job crediting the artists for the fan art. That's awesome.
34:30 absolutely agree, I think he’ll be remembered the same way we remember Julius Caesar’s greatest general (and second in command), Titus Labienus, who despite deserting to fight against Caesar’s tyranny and being a great hero during the civil war is barely a footnote in our history books.
As a Bolton man i have more respect for Stannis Baratheon, a worthy foe, than other characters.
😂how can u like the Bolton’s they are pure evil demons
One thing I particularly love about Stannis is that in any other fantasy series, he'd be the Dark Lord.
He lives on a remote island, in a dragon shaped castle, he cavorts with pirates, his number one guy is a smuggler, he worships a foreign God that burns heretics and their idols, he has a creepy (but kinda hot) witch on his payroll, he is kinda ugly, his wife is Lady Macbeth levels of kooky, his daughter hangs out with a mad fool, his reputation is one that's cold and rigid, he is most associated with his tactical prowess, he's called the most dangerous man in Westeros, and he's the only person who gives Tywin pause.
It's only when you peel back his layers (with Davos' POV) do you learn this Dark Lord is actually pretty mundane. He has internal factions of his own, doesn't even believe in that foreign God, and is entirely motivated by duty. He doesn't want the crown because he is vain (like Renly), he is obligated to press his claim because it's his.
All things considered, his is one of the most reasonable factions in the WOT5K.
We love you gray! thanks for uploading videos after the show has finished, it's really appreciated
To put it simply, book Stannis may be the most just and righteous person in the series, often to his own pain and detriment. He is also dutiful,loyal and pragmatic. These traits are hard to come by,especially all in one character. He does his DUTY, always! Steadfast,unflinching yet somehow unrewarded or even recognized. He STILL does what his duty demands, because it is what is expected and what is RIGHT and just by law. It is clear that he has been deeply cut many times,especially by Robert. Especially upon the death of their parents, ANY gesture of gratitude or appreciation from Robert would have gone a long way. But,no. The fat slob who wasn't half the man Stannis is, hailed Ned....rewarded Renly...for the things Stannis had suffered to gain/retain and BLAMED Stannis for things beyond his control!Yet STILL, he stuck by his older brother, because it was his duty! Jon Arryn named hand, no problem. He was trying to HELP Jon gather evidence to SAVE Robert! Through all of the insults and sleights from Robert since childhood, he stuck loyal to Robert. It was his duty!
He stayed loyal to his wife, long past any love because she had starved with him....stayed loyal to Cressen who had raised him,past any usefulness the maester had once had...stayed loyal to Davos,who saved his ppl's lives. Knighting him, naming him hand when the time came. Stannis is loyal, but also just and dutiful. He first,had Davos face justice for his past, because it was his duty to do so! He isn't charming or necessarily kind. His isn't a smooth politician,as he is too blunt and honest to be. Yet, he would make far and away the best ruler of the options given.He isn't cruel or gluttonous or greedy or false! He is righteous and just and would do his DUTY as King! He isn't blind to the game either. He has seen the world for exactly what it is,from his brother's shadow. He can see ppl for what they are and adjust accordibgly. He doesn't make blind to honor blunders of Stark men. He is savvy at the game and also argued to be the greatest military tactician in Westeros! Add all these traits to the fact that the crown is HIS BY LAW, as the rightful heir and ONE TRUE KING and its hard not to love/support him and hope that for ONCE...the dude can get his due/what is his!
because he's stannis the mannis
I was pissing myself reading the Jon chapters when he offers Jon winterfell in one line then offers to behead him in the next line.
okay edits
It is indeed hilarious. It's a good thing Jon comprehends Stannis' curious idea of friendship.
Him going north is the only reason the wall stood and jon snow was alive also
You know you are reaching to not like Stannis when you're complaining about how many times Stannis visited Edric at Storm's End. What about when Dany made a deal for the unsullied and then just decided to have them kill the masters once they were made loyal to her and pay nothing for it? Is this not treachery? Should we all jump off the Dany train now because she did that.
"Any man that has to say I Am The King is no true King" Tywin Lannister.
To be fair he doesn't say it often, we do
I always love hearing the opening you two do, so ominous, chills and smiles every time :D
Stannis Baratheon is total badass he is flawed but he continously until he died on battle.
My knee just suddenly bent by itself.
Was Daenerys justified with killing Astapor masters slavers to earn her army?
-Yes
Was Stannis justified with killing his brother, that betrayed him first and take his power of seat, crown and army for himself, threatened him with battle and death first instead bending knee?
-No
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I just can't comprehend how some people can't follow even their own logic circuits...
That's because you're arguing against a strawman. Dany killed SLAVERS to free slaves AND win herself an army. Stannis kills his own brother for the sole purpose of gaining power for himself. The acts are not morally equivalent.
Also, Renly wasn't taking Stannis' crown. He was (as far as he knew) usurping his nephew, which is exactly what he and everybody else thought Stannis was also doing. And Renly wasn't trying to steal his brother's army or his seat. If you'll remember, the confrontation took place bc Stannis besieged Storms End. So it was actually Stannis who tried to steal SE and his brother's army!
Yeah, no... Renly knew his brother had the better claim, everybody knew Stannis had the better claim... But Renly was likeable, charismatic, easy on the eye, friends with the Tyrells, and single... Stannis was hated, feared, antisocial, and married to a Florent...
@@anonmouse6337 you are also, ironically, using a strawman argument. To think Renly didn't know that Stannis had a better claim is ridiculous. Only reason renly thought to do it was because he had the bigger army and that ultimately there was nothing Stannis could do to stop him. Renly is a piece of shit and is not the innocent person you have described him to be. It was a shitty move on his part and it was all predicated on the fact that he thought he could get away with it.
Killing children? Justified.
Executing someone comitting treason? Not justified.
Dany stans amaze me.
You guys are talking about who is being killed rather than how theyre being killed. The question was, is it okay to use something abnormal/inhuman/magical to take a life.
Danny's dragons
Stannis' demon creature
The result is the same. People die, and the same method was used which was something magical.
As for Renly, he was a traitor trying to userp the throne who was willing to kinslay. So F*** Renly.
If Renly was King, the Baratheon line would end because he refuses to have children since he disliked women sexually.
If a character’s honour is so important to him that he is willing to let injustice prevail, and let Renly destroy the laws of succession, and send men to their deaths because assassinations makes him feel morally impure then I would not want such a self-indulgent person to be my king.
Amen. If Renly can be king then any third born son or cousin can claim any lords seat . It’s a terrible precedent to set
He lived his life for his duty, and his last word was duty✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Mr Dutiful ignored the summons from the Hand of the King.
Dance With Me Then he still awesome 😎
When Stannis is sitting next to Samuel at the group on the wall. Stannis mumbled something and Sam asks him what he said. He says nothing. I played that one moment over and over. I Can't figure out what he said...
My favorite character is Robb, and he'll always be my favorite king in the series. But its hard to deny that Stannis is indeed the mannis.
Gray Quinn great stuff. B as always adding great content. About to drive to work and was jacked to see this notification. This is a great discussion that is unbiased and very informative. He’s my favorite character for so many reasons that would take too long to list. He’s a man of duty. So excited to see what George writes for him in the Battle of Ice and going forward and yes I think he will win with the Night Lamp Theory and dressing his soldiers and himself in Frey uniforms to sneak into the castle. Great stuff all!
I think because Stannis was so butchered in the show that his star has risen even more!
That’s what I love about the Stannis fandom, the show butchering his character has only strengthened our resolve
Congrats about this podcast, was really good, I really love BryndenBFish, you should invite him more often
My knee bends at the mention of his name!
I love you both!! Loving Obsidian Nights as well ❤️❤️
Nikki Ward Thank You!
Also with regards to Stannis being awarded Dragonstone, it didn't end there. Stannis was also named Robert's master of ships. Robert intended for Stannis to protect his shores, which Stannis did very well.
Robert also made Renly Master of Laws instead of Stannis... Renly, the child of summer, instead of Stannis, a truly just man... Stannis was a great pick for Lord of Dragonstone and Master of Ships, but Stannis would be a great pick for almost any position/lordship really...
@@robinsoncallou7937 Renly is the epitome of 'you had one job'
@@robinsoncallou7937 Stannis is better than Renly, bit I agree with Edric. Cutting off Davos’ finger tips was ill done.
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Davos respected him for it because Davos is a man who understands what justice means.
Never got the love for him either...didn't see him as that outstanding.
The book Stannis was a tad better than TV Stannis.
It’s feudal times does it make Ned Stark a bad dude because he had Theon as a ward Stannis wanting Edric wasn’t even in the sense of having him as a ward just as proof
Thanks for this great video. Interesting discussions. I respect Stannis as he doesn’t run away from difficulties.
Was not expecting BryndenBFish. So happy to hear him here! Love Not ACast.
The night is dark and full of terrors. 🔥
The One True King
Stannis Baratheon.
It's the secret of Westeros that
"The wall was built to protect The Night King from the One True King Stannis Baratheon."
The Mannsis Protects
Stannis is a brave fighter and leader. He's an excellent strategic mind. And his is the One True King. He'll always be my favorite character of both book and show, regardless of who he burns at the stake. He's the only King in the show we see actually put his money where his mouth is. He's at the front of his boat landing on the beach, he's the first to pull he sword and accept his fate against the Boltons, he's blunt and just. Driven by honor and what he perceives as his destiny. It's his duty to be king, regardless if he wants to or not. Long live the Warrior of Light.
Also, it's not debatable: Stannis IS the rightful king. Renly is a traitor for thinking he deserves the kingship over his older brother, thus his rightful death. None of the Lannister kids are Roberts, Robb doesn't want the throne, neither does Balon. There's not talking around it, it's just fact. Stannis is king, regardless of methods used. His brother had it coming. Joffrey had it coming. Hell, I rooted for Robb but Robb had it comin. They were all given choices. They all chose to refuse. They all died. Stannis lived longer (and is still alive in the books).
I love these videos guys keep them coming
It's interesting this idea of Stannis as a King who's first and foremost duty is to rationally, consistently govern the realm above all else, and yet he's willing to submit and give his full trust to an entity like Melissandre without in-depth knowledge of where her power truly comes from or why she's so sure of supporting him... And if she's really going to stay true to her beliefs for very long. My idea of a rational, consistent King isn't one who trusts religious fanatics for support and power. Really enjoyed the discussion though!
Kris B
We really don't know if Mel is actually right that an apocalyptic battle between the powers of Light and Darkness is imminent so the question whether Stannis is right to trust her is not yet answered.
@Frank Castle The very fact that he's "using her power" is a bad move, and one made in trust. The very fact that he's believing her powers are real and therefore her god is some kind of real means he's subscribing to something religious.
@Frank Castle
This is a world where occult forces wield evident power. Stannis is simply clear - sighted
The reason people like stannis as a character is because of these reasons.
Shows from a young age he has what it takes to be king (holding storms end in a siege as a teen-ager whilst also not stock piling food got himself but eating the same as his men and also giving his men and family food first)
Even though he has an iron will he is willing to listen to others in times of importance (Davos in regards to helping against the others,also listening to Jon when trying to get northern tribes and houses to come to his aid,)
He cares about justice doesn't butcher peasants like the lannisters he treats criminals as criminals.
Book stannis is more or less an atheist,he burns people instead of beheading people like other houses one because execution Is execution secondly it keeps melissandre happy so it's a two birds with one stone deal.
He killed renly (which saved the lives of men in his side and men on renlys side for needless death)which paralles what the red wedding was (genocide under peaceful ceremony) stannis was also right because renly acted on hubris and was a Tyrrell puppet (also couldn't birth heirs as he was gay)
Awesome episode please continue the podcast its really good, just make some adjustments in the audio of your guests bcs sometimes its really low
Preston gang here. The conflict between man and white walkers is provoked and puppeteered by the children. No credit earned for that. Stannis is cool tho
Because he is the God Emperor of ASOIAF universe.
The Mannis Protects
Awesome podcast! So Stannis did have someone kill his brother. What was not on the show, but was in the books, was that Daenerys egged Khal Drogo on at Vaes Dothrak, knowing that Viserys's death would probably be the result. Both were guilty of kinslaying by proxy. Burning the Wise Masters was the wrong example, but Daenerys was the right person to compare. Fascinating discussion!
Dark magic is bad?
Dany killed a rape victim by burning. This blood and fire sacrifice led to the birth of her dragons. She uses their magic fire to kill her enemies. Is Danny bad?
Well......
Sneaky Asasins are bad.
How do you feal about Arya?
Well.......
Magic asasins are bad.
Didn't Arya join the faceless men?
Well.......
Kin slaying is definitely bad. Even if Rennly declared war on him wich means Renly was willing to kill his brother and king for power. Even so Renley is still his brother.
Didn't Tyrion kill Tywin? Didn't Danny watch and not even attempt to stop her husband when he killed her abusive brother?
Well.....
Stanis is a bad guy? Yes his name is pot. I would like to introduce the kettle familly.
This is Danny kettle...
This is Arya kettle
This is Tyrion Kettle
There are a number of other members of Ancient and Noble House Kettle in Westoros but I thought these would surfice. 😉
“At her core Danny cares”
Stannis is called the King who cares by Sam because he went up North to fight the wildlings, the Bolton’s and eventually the White Walker. Stannis cares an awful lot and he cares about saving the realm from evil men and monsters alike.
I think one of the main reasons is actually that people like Davos as he is the most relatable, down to earth, POV, and Davos is loyal and likes Stannis. If the audience substitute POV looks up to Stannis then the reader will love Stannis.
We can all agree that king stannis fanbase is as loyal as his army we shall stand by him