Secrets in Winterfell | The Pact of Ice and Fire | Lord Cregan Stark | House of the Dragon
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2020
- The Game of Thrones Prequel The House of the Dragon is in production and I will be covering Fire & Blood until House of the Dragon premieres! House of the Dragon is based on Fire and Blood by George RR Martin and That translates to the History of House of House Targaryen and Westeros as a whole! But House of the Dragon won't just be about House Targaryen, There are many characters with major roles that aren't Silver headed! In Today's video I will be discussing the character Lord Cregan Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North , Lord Cregan Stark is a man apart! For a Lord of the North he is very politically savoy and He has a major part to play in the dance of dragons! It was Cregan Stark that negotiated the Pact of Ice and Fire with Rhaenyra's son Jacaerys Velayron. Of This Pact I found a secret clue that could prove important for A Song of Ice and Fire! We will go back to history and discover just how great of a character Cregan Stark will be in House of the Dragon! Thanks for Watching!
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Yo!!! I knew I wasn't tripping when I kept telling my wife that Rollo from Vikings is a damn Stark! He looks just like Brandon Stark (Neds Brother)
I'm pissed I thought he was cast on the show and that made me happy
Well now I want The Actor who played Rollo to play Cregan Stark. That picture got me so excited.. lol.
Agree, they should get Travis Fimmel on board too, I don't care who they cast him as, loved him as Ragnar, him and Jon Snow are my favorite characters ever
Thomas Leonardis yea rollo is a big screen actor and pulls it off well 🙏
Rollo is way too old. In the book, Lord Stark is like 25-30 max
He'd make a great Stark. I could see him as Cregan, I could see him as Brandon the wild wolf too, early Rollo was a wild man. Good actor.
@@johnmontag He could play a 30 year old. They used makeup to make him look older in the later seasons of Vikings.
I really like that image of cregan sitting next to Aegon III. A big brawny stark defending a young and vulnerable targaryen is a pretty neat notion
If the people in charge of making HotD are half as enthusiastic for the material as you are we are in for one hell of a show.
Thank you🔥🐉
For real. Wish D&D would have let a couple youtubers, Grey being one, help write the last season of GoT.. oh man what a difference it would have made. Also I like the Boston College version of the last season, that would have been a fantastic way to end it as well.
GrayArea what is happening with the prequels and when do we expect them to be aired? 🔥
Whats telling of the hour of the wolf is that Craegan could have ruled as regent or even usurped and taken controll of the 7 kingdoms but he didnt. He made a vow and honored it.
💯💯💯💯💯
What were the many rewards Cregan Stark received from Aegon III?
@@goatmc nothing of importance
@@goatmc Nothing cause Aegon III was too depressed.
The Targs still had dragons. Hatchlings & eggs mostly, but I don’t think people realized how vulnerable the Targs were. Enter Bloodraven the deceiver who kept the Targs in power for many more years if not for his meddling. RIP Daemon I, The King who bore The Sword!
Cregan Stark was honoring the pact he made with his friend. Stark's stand by their word.
Timothy Smith a starks word is as strong as ice though it can lead to their downfall if given to the wrong person
Truth. Starks don't break their oaths.
@@Ash.Crow.Goddess Just look at Ned Stark, he kept his word to his sister even though it tarnished his name & ticked off his wife.
Haha! I don't think you can include Lyanna in that, though. Women were betrothed like possessions. They couldn't do the promising. Rather, they were the promised. All she did was follow her heart and screw her Father's promise. But you certainly got me with Robb Stark. Although Catlyn was the one who said the words, Robb agreed to marry a Frey. We'll chalk it up to the Tully in him, and pretend it never happened. Too bad that didn't keep them safe at the Red Wedding.
You guys always talk about how got has grey characters and we shouldn't put characteristics on houses and their surname but still see house stark as the good guy
Do Princess Rhaenys! Prince Aemon and Lady Jocelyn Baratheon's daughter. She's one of my absolute faves and such a badass, taking Meleys into war at age 55 and facing non other than Vaghar (and Sunfyre) in one of the best battles of the whole Dance. Westeros really fouled up at that council. Instead of putting Viserys on the throne, whose favouritism, inconsistency, nd indecision, led directly to war, they could have had an amazing queen in Rhaenys with the Seasnake by her side!
the best indeed also my fav😌 I hope she free her hair in that one battle
Bloodraven! 😭 I NEED to know more about his journey to become the three eyed crow..
Addam Velaryion has to be at the top of the list, right? Born a bastard of nothing, becomes a dragon rider, is betrayed by his queen for the actions of others, decides to come back for that queen, rallies an army and tries to fight 3 dragons by himself, WINS that battle and dies a Heros death.
Buried with full honours by his brother and inscribed on his tomb one word 'Loyal'
How romantic! I loved the story of the “wolf girl” and the Targaryen prince marrying in the God’s wood.
I don't even need to watch the whole video to know I'm gonna like it
😉👍
What if the other half of story said a xenomorph took over?
wait till you see season 8
Yessss! Gray Area, the Wendy Williams of ASOIF! The big difference:Grey knows what she's talking about!
Lol
I do love some Westerosi "who's the daddy" tales.
I await the day when we have more content to ASoIaF just to hear yours and few others provide breakdown and theories (cleaning up the debacle made by D&D)
I cannot wait to dissect Winds of Winter
If we'll live to see that day...
@@backpfeifengesicht8415 The fact that One Piece has a higher possibility of ending before ASoIaF actually worries me
@@Prop I hope someone will at least tell us the freaking bullet points ending if he dies before the books come out. He's a walking heart attack waiting to happen.
I remember reading Bran's chapter when he had those visions in Winterfell looking through the tree, I assumed it was Lyanna pregnant and the tall Knight was Rhaegar but then I knew that didn't add up so I'm glad I watched this video.
You know who I think of when I think of Cregan Stark? Viggo Mortenson, Aragorn himself.
I have doubts about Mushroom's tale. It is implied in the histories that the Prophecy of the Prince that was Promised would only be fulfilled once a Targaryen and a Stark produced a child, and that it hadn't happened yet. This doesn't preclude the possibility, obviously, but it does pose a problem.
I am not at all sure that Cregan was wrong. I know that peace is always preferable to war. But we have to face the fact that the Greens continued to cause considerable problems after the Dance. More specifically, the Peakes. Not only was Unwin Peake to blame for both the murder of Daymon Palehair and the poisoning of Daenaera. He was probably also involved in the death of Aegon II, ruining the childhood of Aegon III, and his family caused the death of Maekor. We have to wait for Fire and Blood 2 to come out for details. Let's not forget that the Peakes were neck deep with the Blackfyres too. Maybe if Cregan had eliminated the Greens none of that would have happened.
I can't wait for you to do the Muppet Tullys.😁
I’d love to hear about the Targaryens that gave birth to Wyverns.
Good morning from North of the wall, cause I’m freezing🥶🥶🥶🥶 !!!!!
Cregan Stark is the one who most represents what it means to be a Stark.
I'd love to see Cregan Stark in the TV show
I think we will in the House of Dragon series.
All very interesting! One issue I can think of regarding Mushroom's account of events is if Jacerys Targaryen and Sara Snow did truly marry and Cregan Stark knew of this, why would he then immediately sign a pact where Jace would promise his firstborn daughter to Cregan's heir? If we assume there was a marriage and there was a pact for Jace to send his first daughter to marry Cregan's heir, Rickon, we must conclude that either Cregan wasn't actually aware of their marriage, or that Cregan was basically promising Sara's first daughter to Rickon, or that Cregan tried to hide the marriage happening and was willing to dishonour Sara by discrediting her marriage by implying Jace would marry someone else in the pact right after being wroth about Jace dishonouring her by sleeping with her... Or there was no marriage and Mushroom was wrong leaving Jace free to marry elsewhere to honour the pact.
I hope I explained what I mean so it makes sense!
I had suspected that pregnant woman might've been Lord Rickard's mother, and her wanting vengeance was the cause of his 'southron ambitions'. No real evidence, just an idea that makes Lord Rickard more intriguing when looking back at history. I like your theory too though😊.
I like your idea as well!
@@GrayArea Thank you. My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but in one of the books I think Lady Olenna tells Sansa she met her grandfather once and liked him (or something to that effect). It's probably nothing, but I side eyed that because Olenna dislikes almost everyone, especially men. So for her to have liked Rickard seemed important and odd. Made me question if his southron ambitions ever involved House Tyrell and we just don't know yet...
I honestly think the title Wardens of The North is more than a position for the Starks. They are connected either by magic or somehow to be the gate keepers of the horrors that exist in the North. Which is why is says a Stark must always be in Winterfell...
Another badass video. It makes you think how far Jon arryn went with the seed is strong. I think he got curious and took it all the way through to the dance. The seed is STRONG
I love this...your closing lines remind me of seeing the Irish king's lying in state with their massive dogs curled at their feet. (Ireland was a huge exporter of dogs to the roman empire when Britain was occupied by them and many of the kings up through the middle ages are buried in stone sepulchers with their swords across their chests and a huge dog curled around their feet) in very very old areas that were not destroyed by the English reformation.
Damn good fancast with Clive Standen as Cregan. I could see him as Brandon the wild wolf too, at least in his younger days. Young Berserker Rollo reminded me a lot of Brandon.
Loved this video too. Nice job.
Jace Targaryen: (in Bernie Mack's voice) I be the baby papi! 😂
That’s MY MOVIE!! Long live Bernie Mac!!
He didn’t say baby papi he only said “ I be da papi “.
I love when you show up with some juice!!!😁❤
Old fan re-listening to your old video ✌🏻❤
Interesting about Jase and Sarah. I think a compelling reason is that GRRM loves echos. Jase falls in love, breaks wedding vows, and secretly marries someone beneath his station... fast forward, Rob Stark does the EXACT same thing.
This is so incredibly well done
I mean truly, truly excellent!!
The show runners of HOTD should watch your incredible work & get schooled
I always thought that there might’ve been more stark and Targaryen offspring running around somewhere and if it’s true I am so down for it and i hope that house of the dragon is gonna be good
But there's one dark aspect people forget: If the "Prince that was Promised to the Others" + "Starks = Blood of the Other" theories are correct, (and I'm pretty sure they are) then Cregan might have given Jacaerys and Sara's son to them!😱😱😱😱😱😱
@@PedroLucas-mg5je holy shit!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je really
@@PedroLucas-mg5je that's an assumption, but it would take a great logical leap to come to that conclusion.... What evidence is there to support this theory beyond your own feelings?
Hey that rolo! Lol
Kasrose 8 was about to say that lol
Skol! Hope Rollo is in the last part of season 6
I just said the same shit lol. I love Rollo. He had to step out of Ragnar’s shadow.
Rollo from Vikings? that would be heavy..if they could also get the actress who played Lagartha(she's got that Targarian look about her),that would be big
This is the first video of yours that I’ve seen and I loved it! Your commentary was top notch, I’d love to see a bio like this for Jacaerys or Black Aly.
That thumbnail was Lord Rollo of house Lothbrok first of his name, descendant of Odin the Allfather, he is the Viking Bear of Kattegat, the scourge of Lindesfarm, the breaker of Danes, the demon of Paris, the rightful king and protector of the realm of Normandy.
Danny Targaryan - heavy panting...
You're adorable
@@lissasuhar1708 Thanks i guess, you seem like a nice person yourself.
Facts
Yay! I’ve got something to look forward to again! Miss you and your great content. 😊
That image of Cregan sitting with Prince Aegon III looks like he said "Look here young buck, lemme put you up on game" lol
I just love your voice 😍 Thanks for doing House of the Dragon!! You're helping me A LOT❤️🔥🐲🤘
I just wanted to add to WHY people love Stannis lol, he has HONOR and reminded viewers of EDDARD and how HE wanted Stannis to rule, that's the first reason, he is honorable and does what he THINKS he has to do, he unfortunately follows the wrong faith blindly and he takes things too far and pays for it with a tremendous loss, but still he was a man of duty and rules, I think minus Melisandre he would have made a great king!
Illinois Jack me too I really liked stannis a lot 🤞
Exactly...minus melissandre Stannis would have been good king.
@@aryastark111 totally agree
I dont know i couldn't see Stannis' honor given the way he murdered Renly & then later his own daughter (idk if that part is in the books as I'm only on book 3)... I do wonder if he could have been good w/o Melisandre but given how far he went I have my doubts personally. I'm glad others liked him though, & he definitely inspired loyalty in Davos & others.
@@WildeMermaid Actually in the books it is much more in depth about how after she sends the shadow to kill Renly that Stannis is plagued with nightmares and guilt, and he tries to have no direct involvement with it, not that it makes it better lol
Morning Mah Lady Grey
Your making this very exciting with intrigue and promises.
Next character study??
Duncan the Tall or like someone else mentioned Blood Raven!
The fact was already fulfilled with lyanna and rhaegar. Why would a Targaryen princess want to downsize and be the lady of Winterfell?
She wouldn’t know.
@@GrayArea And then have the blood of the Dragon being mixed with all the Lesser men of the North It's clear the Stark were scheming to have dragons of Their Own, like the Lannisters. At the end of the day they were all the same. Power hungry for Dragons
Great video as always Gray!
A video so nice I watched it twice..... Great video as always! 🐺🐺🐺
🐉🐲🔥🔥🔥
I agree !!
I've just finished reading fire and blood so that seems right to me
Rogar Baratheon would be nice. Septon Barth would be fun as well. Keep up the amazing work! The GF and I never miss a video.
I swear you are such a good story teller!
Great video Grey as usual
Great video. I love your channel
I love this channel I wish I could get videos everyday but I know that's impossible keep em coming Gray
Sorry to be slow in understanding, I love your content and need to clarify in order to follow along with the new videos...
-So the ASOIAF prequel (House of the Dragon?) Is still a go and currently in production.?
-The timeframe this is will take place in is during the dance of Dragons?
Keep em coming, could you do Rhaenys and Visenya character profiles
I’m going to do every character
GrayArea nice, the original 3 dragons all deserve a character profile, Orys too
Every single person in Fire & Blood will get their own video! Orys is one of my favorites
GrayArea nice, can’t wait cause no one ever talks bout him
I feel like you may have done one already but if you haven’t I’d love a video on the Sea Snake or Rhaenys
Great video, how about a video about Jahaerys and Alysanne? Or Area Targaryen ....they are all awesome really, so just do everyone ...lol Valar Morghulis
Sir Duncan the tall protected a king, he had a son who saved young prince bran stark, who ended up being king.
Wait...hodor us sir duncan the talls son??
Yes! Bring on Sapochnik!
A queen must listen to all. The highborn and the low, the strong and the weak, the noble and the venal. One voice may speak you false, but in many there is always truth to be found.
If I had to pick a character for you to do an episode on next it would probably be the rogue prince Daemon Targaryen. Or maybe King Jaehaerys the Conciliator and Good Queen Alysanne. Or maybe Lord Corlys Valeryon.... There are just so many good options.
I love all of them! Corlys is already in the works!
Thank you so much for this video. You have really shedded some light on the Targaryens and the Starks relationship. If the producers and HBO go down this road, as you so eloquently put it, the Game of Thrones franchise could probably go down as THE Greatest franchise on the Planet.
My only question would be, "What would the opening theme song be for House of the Dragon? Would it be the Targaryen theme song? Or would they continue with the regular Game of Thrones opening theme song?"
The reason why I ask that is because that opening Theme song is so Iconic it's not funny. It would be a waste if they could not use that theme song as the intro to House of the Dragon.
Also, I believe HBO will continue using the Maps in the intro. However, it's the opening theme song I am worried about.
What are your thoughts?
Hey! That's a picture of Rollo from History Channels "Vikings"! Love your video though : )
Love your Analysis
This was an awesome video. Craegan Stark is a badass in the books & I hope the show parallels this. It will be interesting to see what the show does at Winterfell when the pact was made
Hi Gray, another fun video. I read Fire and Blood and there were a lot of interesting Starks that are not listed on the Family tree. The Order of the Green Hand did a couple of Videos about Alaric Stark which were just awesome. It’s too bad that George will never give us a history of House Stark just like we’re never getting one on Valyria before and during the Doom.❤️ you👸🏽
Please please please do a video on
1. Sandoq the Shadow, (badass swordsman)
2. Unwin Peake
3. Alicient Hightower (actually all of the treacherous Hightower’s)
Do the smaller characters that are badass and then lead up to my personal favorite of them all, Corlys Velaryon aka. The Sea Snake and his son (grandson/bastard son) Alyn Oakenfist/Velaryon.
Ayyyyyy Rollo!!! That's my dude tho!! ✊👊✌🤘
Gray Area!
I live the way you read stories.
A time for wolves! Thanks Gray
Great content
LOVE THIS
Man he would make a great Cregan Stark. *swoon*
Amazing video
Great video
Daemon tagaryen the rogue prince
Can we have a video on Larys Strong please? I always struggle to figure out his allegiance. Did he murder his family to become lord of Harrenhal? Also, I always thought he could have been the traitor on the green council that Daemon refers to knowing, but most of his actions during the war show him to be a green loyalist... but was that his intention? He seemed to oppose Rhaenyra when she occupied King's Landing and saved Aegon II, but it also seems he was loyal to Lord Corlys Velaryon, saved his life and then conspired to assassinate Aegon II with him possibly. So what was his goal and who did he truly serve? I've read some say he was playing both sides to come out on top, only truly serving himself but the fact he died rather than take the black is confusing if that was true. He's very much the Varys of the Dance so who knows what he's really up to!
Can't wait for S2 of HOTD!!!!!
Please do a video on the sea snake 🐍
The video quality is top notch
“He then insults.. the fuck out of him” 💀💀
Wow! This is good s#!+ Gray!!!
Heyyy gray can you do messandi of narth...i think she's the most mysterious person next to mel.
Hope the picture is right and Rolo plays someone big. My man!
Brilliant idea putting Clive Standen in the lead image for this video. Clive Standen as a Stark -- YES. Well, I'd watch him in anything, but would really enjoy seeing him wrapped up in furs and leather yet again. I hope they do Cregan right in the show. If they don't go with your casting idea, it better be someone as delicious. I mean ---- talented. Someone as talented.
Do Queen Alysanne next, or Alys Rivers
I really belive the books will end with the satisfaction of the Pact of Ice and Fire, a Stark will marry a Targaryen in and official wedding.
D3V!L HUNT3R
I too think the Pact has to have some relevance- it has to...
I'm speculating it'll be Arya and Aegon(Elia Martell's Aegon).
A man is pleased with this video.
And I thought Rollo had been cast as a Stark for a second! LOL. Vikings fans. Q: do we think the Doom is out? I really thought we'd get something.
@GrayArea I guess you would like to Clive Standen in the role of Creghan Stark? 👍
U guess correct
We'd look at Clive Standen if he played the role of "third stable hand from the left," but would of course prefer something with more screen time. Somebody call his agent...
mushroom aint neva toad no lie, aint neva toad no lie
The thing I never liked about the eggs at winterfell is how would a huge dragon get in there?
The Dragon doesn’t get inside Winterfell. It’s placed there as “useless” where it soon hatches there and sleeps for decades until it doesn’t. Remember that Winterfell is build on top of hot springs which is the equivalent to volcanic activity beneath it. We know that dragons on Dragonstone hatched by themselves so maybe this dragon egg hatched too because of the heat (where’ve Vermax laid his eggs). Also in the book of A World of Ice and fire, the map contains the three headed dragon of house Targaryen and one other massive dragon on the complete opposite side of the 3 Dragons. Remember that the older a dragon is, the larger it is. When Ramsay burned down Winterfell in Clash, the stones began to fall and crumble. Bran saw a “winged snake” breathing fire while he was warging through Summer. He saw it rise from the stones/flames of the broken Castle. He also saw this same “winged snake” who was breathing fire fly farther North behind the mountains. In the show, they turned Visserion into a wight dragon, but maybe this mysterious dragon of Winterfell might fall into the hands of the Other’s king (Night’s King), who I think is 100% a Stark. It would only be fitting if A Stark rides this mysterious dragon of Winterfell, using it to tear down the wall perhaps??
You never let you enemy make a pact with the MC who will die defending his vow.
I honestly think Lord Cregan Stark was spoiling for a fight 🤣. He was kinda pissed that he got there too late and the vultures were already devouring what was left of the kingdoms. It really disturbed his strong sense of justice. Lord Cegan Stark probably thought, "Like nobody is going to pay for all this carnage, ha! ha! The king is dead and you're all already focused on what you can get out of it? By the old gods, someone will pay before I leave!" Perhaps he should have done what he intended like, Tywin Lannister did with the Reynes. The babies did grow up to lay foundations for more civil wars in future.
I like the parallels between Cregan's protectiveness of Aegon 3, and Ned's protectiveness of the Tygariaen children. Which makes their fall out in the show's Season 8 all the more tragic. I hope GRRM wasn't planting these seeds in vain.
Hey GreyArea will you make a video on Larys "Clubfoot" Strong?
Well Gray as you like to say history always repeats itself in A Song of Ice and Fire!
Well you must do one on the lady of the vale! She’s gonna be quite a character I think!
It's interesting that her name is Sara...just like Illirio's lost love.
it all sounds good,but HBO will leave us wondering why at the end of the series. GOT could have been a lot longer of a series but they rushed it from day one. changing things because they knew they didn't want it to be over 8 seasons. with how many fans it had it could have had more episodes and seasons and still been a hit, but they wanted to ruin it and leave us hanging like all their other series.
When will we find out the casts?
I will update as soon I hear something
GrayArea ✊🏾
Mel Of Winterfell right dat part 🙄😂
So far we have a target release date of 2022. Maybe at the end of this year
Legit my favorite chapter in the entirety of fire & blood
Stark blood and Targaryen blood has always been there since the conquest
Did u jus put Rollo from Vikings in the thumbnail? Another epic show
Yeah🤷♀️the actor should play Cregan