Top 10 Fastest Cars on the Touge
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- What are the fastest cars to brave the mountain passes of Japan in real life? Today we find out! - Top 10 Fastest Cars on the Touge
I really enjoyed making a video on the Story of Time Attack and Under Suzuki ( • The Story of Time Atta... ) and the supportive comments it received got me thinking of what else I could look at - so this time I wanted to move away from the track and look the fastest cars for carving mountain roads, or touges as they're known in Japan.
This form of illegal racing was highlighted in the anime/manga Initial D. I really enjoyed the show, but it always made me wonder which car really would be the fastest in real life. Best Motoring's Hot Version has given us some great insight into what makes a Touge Monster of the years (or Maou as the called the top dog) and this list represents the research (binge watching) I did on their videos to try to compare the fastest sector times. There are still a lot of what ifs and cars that haven't had a chance or didn't want to risk it, but I found it really interesting what cars excelled on the winding downhill roads. I hope you enjoy the video half as much as I enjoyed making it, thanks for watching!
Music:
Fly me to the moon and back - Initial D
Set Me Free Again (Extended)
some facebook friends i met from a japan once raced a silvia in a touge with his sports bike. To everyone surprises, both of them are beaten by a random delivery guy driving a daihatsu kei car. Too bad he forgot the name of the car
That's a great story! I have a soft spot for the first gen Daihatu Copen, unfortunately I don't think I could fit in one haha
maybe a charade gtti?
Daihatsu Mira / cuore
I think f1 car quicker
Daihatsu Mira kei B O X
I actually watched a ton of the togue wars it was great
This felt like your school presentation
I and my friends concluded that my Opel Astra is actually the fastest car on Touge 🤣
I own an MRS with a 2ZZ. This car is a killer in the corners, with the right setup the snap oversteer is easily avoidable.
Bro I had one abs I sold it I hate myself for tgat
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had an Alfa Romeo Giulia, Squadra Bianca style, I sold it for a tad too little and I too hate myself for it..
But hey, life isn’t fair
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had a mk3 supra targa top turbo manual and I sold it... many people have the same story but you know what, we grow and learn from that so next time we sell a car we actually think about thoroughly.
Gratulálok hozzá, használd egészséggel és sok balesetmentest vezetést kívánok :)
does the stock Mrs have snap oversteer too?
'Don't try this at home' the mountains of rural VA have some stories to tell about me and my 100hp FWD blasting down them as fast as we could. 😅
Hell yeah I'm in Virginia as well blasting around in my prelude
Hey man, I got the notifications for your replies, but can’t actually see the comments for some reason ??? The white prelude I spoke of is mine lol, and I’m out of Asheville, NC. Some of the greatest roads in the country out here, especially for lighter smaller cars. we’re really lucky.
me in a busted ass civic
i live in northern virginia the back roads here are fun too in my 91 miata!
Rip my EP3, you're still the car I have the most air time with
Would agree with list but also want to add that before J's and Feed, Re-Amemiya ruled as the best touge king beating and defending against the ones listed.
RE Amemiya... what a legend tuner plus Keisuke FD3S in Initial D 4th stage and 5th stage was mod with RE Amemiya...!!!
I'm glad someone mentioned Amemiya
Most people forgot about it
Apparently there was some personal problem between Tsuchiya and Amemiya leading to him quitting the touge battles
@@ArtVandelayOfficial I didnt know about that... I thought Tsuchiya and Amemiya was a good friends...!!!
Completely agree the best 2 Touge Maou cars are the J’s Racing S2K & Fujita Engineering FD3S 👍🏻
you don't have to agree, the times speak for themselves lol
@@Ib-dj6di that’s exactly what I said you mong
The Thecno Pro Spirits MR-S is also up there. With 200hp, you can only go so fast
I think the current Maou is the Assist M4
Amemiya FD is the ultimate
This Hot Version videos are legendary. I would love to see how this cars compete against European Hillclimb cars. Both Touge and Hillclimb have a tradition of cars being purpose developed for years.
Theres an m4 on the channel
Great video, great cars. But the Seeker FD2 has to be one of the most special cars on the touge simply because they took the hated FF and menaced all but 5 faster cars. The kind of balance you need to build into a FF chassis to be faster than so many MR and FR cars is a next level of work.
I'm pretty sure the seeker EG was faster then the FD2 but can't seem to find the times
@@attacklifeuk eg was slower and had problem with understeering ang braking. Fd2 is a King of Civics if they're with stock interior etc.
i miss when the RE Amemyia RX7s would show up and clean house, RIP
What happened to it
great video, the only thing I want to say is that yes Gunsai it's a touge but it's not like the others, most togue have big downhills (or uphills if you strat from below) while Gunsai has some parts in downhill but many others in uphill where the engine it's even more important.
In my area most mountain passes are actually pretty leveled with small inclines and declines throughout like gunsai. I only know of one pure downhill and uphill mountain pass in my area.
Thanks! And I agree - the info to make this list is taken from a small sample size and a very short sector from a single touge. Maybe one day it would be interesting to look at a different touge of sorts that is equally well documented, like Pikes Peak or something...
"Touges are for hachirokus" yes, yes they are.
criminally underrated channel
I don’t get why the rest of the world are so surprised when a Honda Civic is fast on a track. Seems like the Japanese only give them the credit they deserve. All these people crying why is an SiR civic costs more than their beloved Skyline gtst’s
You’re my new fave channel. All of your “summoning salt but for cars” videos are top notch, love them and can’t wait for more. Keep it up
As an MR-S owner, I'm really happy seeing one be so dominant on the touge. Yes the car factory is underpowered, but even so it is too damn fun. I would highly suggest buying one, just make sure the precats are either dealt with already, or they haven't started killing the engine when you buy it. It's the only issue they really have, as even stock, I've oversteered once, that was in the rain, and on purpose until my lack of experience caused it to snap back. Still saved it tho. Crazy fun little cars.
Deadly video.
Suggestion would be for a in depth story on NO GOOD RACING Osaka
There were other tracks for Touge also. I remember Jun Prelude winning under 280 class. And Amuse S2000 fighting in other final with J's Racing being equal. Those cars were better than half of this list
i take my 2001 corolla to the mountains and surprisingly i can keep up with sports car. feels good!!!
Same with my Prius 🤣😂 people are surprised I can keep up
Is it 2zzge?
@@izzy031096 no, 2zrfe, mine was 2012 Corolla with 6 speed manual
There are so many beautiful things when it comes to the touge cars. One, the top fastest cars are not even modern cars, yet outperform them. Two, the best part yet, they are keep getting faster and faster even though they are already so damn fast!
Js racing S2K was the biggest reason why I own one today. Its my dream car and an amazing piece of art and machinery.
5:20 well the brake issue that he was talking about could’ve been fixed with either a longer or a wider set of brake hoses for the rear. The added overall volume would have taken a slight portion of the pressure away from the rear. Enough for the fraction of a second that he was talking about.
Dude. Ive never even though of the length/ diameter of brake lines. That makes sense, if theres more fluid theres more adjustability/ delay from braking force and if theres less then its snappier and more rapid.... interesting.
@@DocDucky yes, that plays a role. however It’s not only the amount of fluid. It’s also the expansion of the material holding it.
More rubber = more expansion
(the complete opposite idea of steel braided hoses)
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies shit i just learned something important. Ive been trying to figure out what brake setup imma use in my 88 a70 but now im definitely not only going to keep rotor/ caliper size in mind but the hoses and their material too.
@@DocDucky a larger brake caliper with a larger piston or multiple piston brake calipers also require a larger volume of liquid to move the same amount of distance. So they also had to make brake master cylinders that can move more fluid out.
I could keep this conversation going for a while. And even show how to get more Whp and acceleration with certain brake modifications. Lol
There is so much to it....well everything with a car. EVERYTHING has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies hell yeah especially since there's some brake setups that arent even oe or close. For example im doin the s500 4 piston brembos, with either a stock master cyl and 350z rotors. So that setups gonna be pretty odd especially since thats only the front.
Most people misinterpret touge racing. The show BEST MOTORING only the glimpse of what is the real touge racing. The real touge is not that short touge racing are all about endurance, the balls to drive fast without caring about your life, control, handling, the advantage of lightweight cars and last is not spunning out your car. Imagine driving your car in those steep corners. That's why lightweight cars is an advantage in the touge. These statements are also based from D.K Keichi Tsuchiya himself, mentioned that he beat the crap out of those GTR, SILVIAS you name it and relevantly talk about the advantage of lightweight cars many times in the youtube channel called "CAR PRIME"
I’d love to see a Foxbody or sn-95 or new edge mustang with the “aluminator” engine…all aluminum DOHC 32v V8 with the independent rear suspension, they are light and with the right steering rack they would hurt a lot of feelings out there
mr-s isn't the snappy guy, the rev1 SW20 was. both cars drive beautifully from my experience and snap oversteer is easily avoidable by throttling out of powerslides
Great video I have been watching these videos for years. For me though the techno pro spirit car is a bit of an anomaly, just goes to show tuning and the right platform is sometimes more important than thousands of dollars in parts.
I love the techno pro spirit MR-S so much, it gave me new found appreciation for the 3rd gen mr2 as a racing platform. Definitely need to build up my girlfriend's mr2 someday haha.
Look how smooth that FD is at the end with the splits view with the Js. Damn both are helluva machines.
a mr-s is definelty one of my dream cars
Look good with Porsche body kit
海外の方がホットバージョン通して日本に興味を持ってくれるのは嬉しいな
As a veteran of the Tail of the Dragon in the southeast US, I can tell you that "touge" runs can QUICKLY fall apart. I have yet to stuff it, but I attribute much of that to luck & caution.
Great video this explains alot of the cars popular in touge and why they are so great
i think nissan pulsar gti-r would be a great addicion to this list. the sr20det engine, the light body, and the AWD system straight from r32. its handing is great on corners, so it should step aside mr2 or 2000k
All great cars and to see the spirit and resolve to do the best by these teams brings a whole new level of inspiration to the sport.. if I could pick a favorite it would be the FD with that rotary however the market is premium price and I don't see that changing. The MRS is the most atainable and arguably the best price for the level of enjoyment you can get from it.
Amazing video , you perfectly managed to bring up the tension and made fever with the drivers , my personal favorite always has been the feed rx7 and it’s just amazing to see the precision driving and the results !
Weirdly enough, the weight reduction on that 86 seems just as expensive as a turbo or supercharger. If those are carbon fiber doors, trunk and hood, those can be as much as 4 to 6k if you get them all in one purchase. But then again you can still maintain the reliability of your engine since it's untouched (except for the tune)
That uphill braking zone dropping down into the long left hander. Make it or break it and 9 times out of 10, I stuff it into the wall because I brake too late.
Loving your channel & the videos you've been making. I'm thankful you seem to care about giving the culture & individuals involved the credit they deserve. I'm even more thankful you didn't botch the videos as many non Japanese and or non-die hard JDM enthusiasts have done in the past. As your first 2 videos cover 4 of the most important subjects in my adult life: Tsukuba circuit, time attack, touge, & hot version at first i was just thankful that you did these subjects justice with detailed and accurate information & the passion of a true enthusiast. Now watching both videos back to back I'm very impressed & thankful for what you are doing, putting information that took me years to obtain downsized into 2 short videos while still being detailed and capturing the spirit of time attack & touge w/ short clips from numerous videos to tell the stories well. Making consumable sized videos of historically challenging to attain longer video in a manner that will hopefully help form the next generation of JDM tuner enthusiast & keep the culture & industry alive & well for as many years as possible
Thanks for the thoughtful comment, JP! That really means a lot, I'm trying my best out here haha
@@HuntersMoon top notch so far keep it up
Stick The Meggy At 15:18 Round Am Sure It Will Piss Some People Right Off LOL
why the fuck would i try driving my car in my fucking house at 140 MPH
Js Racing S2K is my fav build ever
not mentioned but the toyota mrs record was on racing tires, with wide body and relocated fuel tank
Can you tell us more Stories about Z’s ? Z31 specifically
I think that mr-s got stolen before it could defend the 200hp maou
RE-AMEMIYA RX7 IS A MUSSSSST BRUH YOU HURT MY FEELINGS 🥲
💯
The MRS is the most impressive because of how simple and effective the tuning is
I wonder what sort of a time Takumi would run going all out 12k rpm in his 86. As shown in Initial D he has F1-esque precision and drives like a complete lunatic with zero concern for safety so I think he could run pretty damn fast.
I wish theyd do it every year, and i wish it wasnt so hard to find these cuz they have all these uploaded in no consistent order at all
Wow I had no idea that it was even possible to get the same exact time. That fact alone is amazing and such a great story.
dude where is assist M4 :с
That's a great point - it did win the 2019 championship after all haha. You are 100% correct, I didn't find the clip until now but I saw it ran a 25.428 which definitely makes the list!
that 24'672 record is batshit crazy
for me, THE toegue monster will always be the blue RE-amemiya FD RX7.
*all of the WSC prototypes that raced in targa florio enters chat*
Amazing work🎉
favorite channel!
I rly did enjoy this video! How FN cool man!
I would be tempted to suggest that Hot Version rigged that highly unlikely tie result.. except they just wouldn't would they, they are Japanese.
they've shown bias towards certain cars and making shit a tie is more entertaining anyways
The demon king has been my favorite car for a long time and ive always wanted to tune up an s2k to be like it
Bro!!! FEED JUST WENT AT IT AGAIN! CHECK IT OUT!!!
I love the gtr amg , i was so surprised to see its huge ass on here
Daym I though the RE Amemiya RX7 would make the list
Wow I expected to see RE Amemiya RX7 somewhere on this list, but these are some bonkers fast cars on the list.
The rivalry of fujita engineering and j's racing alone is a movie material
For me it's any type of 911 Porsche
Just for fun, bring in a Tesla model S Plaid and a Porsche Taycan. Let see their numbers.
Probably won’t do too well due to their heavy weight and large size, but it would be an interesting run. I would like to see it
One of the best touge cars ive had was an EM1 Civic coupe that had a Frankenstein K24 bottom end with EP3 type R head and EP3 type R lsd gear with full bolt ons making 250whp. Had a catalogue of adjustable arms, coilovers wearing 17x8 235 semi slick tyres. I would have loved to be in Japan so that DK, Orido and Nob could have tested it out
Touge = japanese hillclimb but also going down 😏
watched the vid all the way thru on accident planned on doin somethin else lmao. good content bro
Haha thanks!
Nice, i do play initial d too.
This is the far more the best simple story for real life initial d battles. Love it ❤️
Way more exciting than F1.
Awesome video! I've always loved Initial D, JDM cars and touge runs. Just subbed 💥✌
MRS chads! I have a supercharged AW but I want a MRS so bad. probably gonna end up importing one when they are legal soon in a few years as they are cheap in other markets.
I owned that model of MR2 for a few years. Really really taught me how to drive. Corners so hard!
The roles that the drivers and tuners play in this real touge competition reminds me a lot of wangan midnight's writing. The tuners keep making cars that are fast and let the skilled main characters duke it out.
That's how professional racing works. From Nascar to F1, a team of engineers work on the car and tune it to fit the track they are racing and their driver's style and needs.
Love the video, the mr-s isnt my favorite car at all but its performance on the touge is outstandig and the real mvp when it gets to the real initial d spirit. Nearly no mods and a huge performing beast on the down hill, just cause the perfect balance of the car and the high performing driving skills. This is real initial d! AND complete mindblowing that those two rx7s ran the exact same time, absolute crazy. xD!!! Love it man.
It was a S2000 and a RX-7 not two arX-7‘s …
dude, you‘re videos are awesome! liked and subbed right away.
11:56 „SADDEN DEATH” gotta love them good old Japanese guys and their engrish 😸
I fucking love this video
I'm curious... What's more interesting to watch... Uphill touge or downhill touge?
For me it's downhill since it's more dangerous, if you go too fast it might unavoidable to slow down on certain hairpin
@@haluyolo7568 true... And I think oversteer is an ally on downhill if used properly
Wait there's such a thing as .5 gears? 2.5 3.5 4.4 5.5? Purely for keeping in the powerbans
top 1- A racing kart with 60km/h top speed
No lie here, only facts
Love my MR-S. The only other roadster I'd wanna cruise my mountains with is an S2000, which are currently 3x the price. Sorry Honda, you will have to wait, i'm busy attacking in my mid engine sport machine!
Loved initial d. This was perfect.
It's kind of pissing me off. Only mentioning the # ,s ,letter only. I like to know the maker. Honda, Toyota,Nissan every car shown..videos are really good..I'm a van/racer .got a Honda Civic. Those cars cars got some go,go power. But V-8 are faster.
I love the S2k and Rx7 rivalry lol.
Topnoch Topic to cover . Awesome. Great Edeting and Picture Choice. Keep it up.
Thanks Platz, I really appreciate it!
@@HuntersMoon you can call me Hirsch.Platz Hirsch means word for word " Place Dear" ( the chef ). So u cald me place. 😅
Can't imagine how long you collected all the footage and edit and voiced it. Probably alone. Really amazing to me. Some day we all get old, and you sir can look back of somthing really amazing. Thank you.
Ayo what’s the background music
It's the music from the Hot Version intro , Set Me Free Again - Richard Cottle
I appreciate everything the barely dressed ladies brought for the table.
Another thing I like about Gunsai Touge is that while a lot of Touges are public road, Gunsai is a closed course. So it’s basically a race track but a touge. Still it’s not easy to drive, so you wanna practice before and don’t push too much to the limit if you decide to go and drive
I would like to see how a Lotus Elise (or Exige) would do
8:33 aww, i can’t use my downhill track in my shed
2:40 R34 did that.. in 1990
Now, it’s going to be a little cliche to bring up the Tureno in this context. But a car such as that proves more to me that it’s all about the drive. How well you know your route, how comfortable you are with your car, etcetera. You can have cars that would suit particular people well and cars that suit an environment over others, (for example an 80’s 911 turbo). That car ran its best on some cold, shitty overcast monday morning. Anyways…Most racing environments, or whatever you’d like to call them, have a sometimes obvious advantage to certain platforms. It’s all really circumstantial to me. Now I have never driven on what most would call a touge seeing I live in Florida; but I think those with some genuine ‘racing’ experience could agree it comes down to mostly knowledge, and an occasional visit from lady luck.
Finally a video about best motoring!! I’ve been watching their battles for a while now and I rarely meet anyone who knows about them
Lets be honest a RE-Amemiya RX-7 will always be the true king of Touge btw your time's are off, Dori-Dori's AE86 ran a 24.983.
“Skinny 205 tires......”
* looks at 1985 Mercedes in the garage and the 1999 Legacy I’ve been driving for 14 years, both with 195 tires 😅
the TPS MRS and Dk's ae86 were the only two cars allowed to battle with semi slick tires instead of normal 200tw street tires, makes sense because they were down on hp.
Thank you for getting me up to speed on Gunsai!
You don’t have any idea how much I appreciate this video