Xbox Supporting PC Game Stores - A Console/PC Hybrid?
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Having Steam and/or GOG would be a good selling point. The ease of use of a console with Steam's library could win me over.
It would also be kind of funny, since it would technically bring PlayStation games to Xbox. I know Xbox has brought their games to PlayStation, but it’s just a hilarious loophole for Xbox.
That will sell so many Xbox it will be sold out
@@ContrastCopy Sony would definetly block that, probably through Steam/EGS validating the OS in use
Dude, I'm happy when someone mentions GoG. I'm starting to use it when ever I can. I have 1017 games on Steam, and I care about my profile there, a lot. CS was the reason why I got into it. It's what I mainly use, but now that I'm in my 20s, and I started to understand the difference between owing a game and having a license to play it, and how losing access to a game feels like, I really started to hope that GoG gets more popular, so more games can end up there, and we can stop dealing with things like Denuvo. You have no idea how much I hate when games use that DRM.
For those who are quick to call someone "pirate" for not liking Denuvo: no, I don't like pirating games, unless I need to, like with Deadpool (the alternative was paying $200 for a key. Money that doesn't go to the devs anyways, just like when you buy used games on consoles), and pirates buy offline activations for Denuvo games paying like $1 or $2 anyways, so... know that those who complain about Denuvo are rarely salty pirates who didn't want to pay full price. I don't like any intrusive things on my PC, specially when they cause stutters and increase loading times (it doubles the time it takes to load anything) in games. I like feeling like I can own the game and do what ever I want with it (notice the word "feel". What I mean is Denuvo is a constant reminder that you don't own it). I don't like having to open a game that has Denuvo on my Steam Deck each time I have to travel before I get in the car (unless I can connect to the Internet using my phone later, which is not always an option), and I don't like the idea of you, possibly, losing access to a game you paid for.
I would like this if they could get it to work on series s.
if xbox is able to come out with an "XBOX PC" and just sell it and say...here is an xbox pc ready to play pc games, no need to build it, no need to spec it out, just play; it could be interesting
OR a separate operating system ala Steam OS that you could essentially build your own Xbox
The market has been needing something like this for a long while. I really hope they do this. It'll break down the barrier between friends on different platforms and opens up so many small game devs to a huge bump in potential sales.
@@copperypuddle3858 if they did this they win big
i can imagine valve will do the same they have their own OS which is improving so well and they showed they can build hardware
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The cost would be a problem
an XBOX with windows would be my go to PC and I would upgrade every refresh.
Microsoft has Windows, a colossal trump card over Sony/Nintendo that it refuses to capitalize on. IMAGINE a Xbox console where you can boot either Xbox OS or Windows 11 on start-up, shit would outsell everything.
Just buy a pc then
@@rayyanabdulwajid7681 nah
@@OneLastScholarit was foolish of Microsoft allowing Xbox to compete against Windows in the past.
I would advise you to save money for a pc.
From a financial standpoint I don’t see how this would make sense because steam store games are way cheaper more often than Microsoft store games so everyone would just buy the steam games and Microsoft store would lose massive % sales to steam, I see the argument of selling more hardware but software is where the majority of the moneys at, the whole idea is delusional wishful thinking.
Another brain-dead person who doesn't listen but jumps to spit garbage
The only lucid comment here....
Tell me that you are not using Steam without telling me that you are not using Steam.
Steam store are way more cheaper😂 yeah buddy who said that opening a stupid post with a joke would work🤦🏽♂️ I love Steam i have over 200 games on there but its not cheaper at all than MS store (maybe when steam have their sommer, spring, publisher sales etc but only then). Actually the truth is with PC GP and MS store combination i save more money in the long run than with steam
@SuperRiccoSuave: Not only that, when the contract is up, they can just not resign and walk away with half of the Xbox base.
Microsoft is you're listening.
BIG AAA NEW IP THAT IS QUALITY IN WRITING, DIRECTING AND THE TALENT TO BUILD THE GAMES.
Too much money for a cheap service, it's unsustainable.
This would be amazing. I just bought a Series X and having the opportunity to play PC games would be incredible
Why not just shell out an extra 200 or so bucks for a PC with a 3050 card? You get access to every XBOX game and all those PC games. Plus a plethora of other usages you can only use a PC for
@@XxPetexXx😂😅
@@XxPetexXxthere are old 360 games that never came to PC, plus do you people expect Xbox players to throw their entire Xbox library in the garbage? Lmao. Why not be like me and play on everything.
@@AutomaticSnakejust about everything in my xbox i can play on pc. for what doesnt i used to emulate on pc, but now a modded og xbox and 360 holds all that content. idk if they are new stats but i remember it was like a 23 min average play time of back compat games on xbox. id assume majority dont use it, they just like to say that they could 😂. just in my friend list ive seen people playing old game maybe 3 times all year.
@@XxPetexXx3050 is a mid card honestly. He’s better off buying a used 2060 super
if this happens im buying an xbox
You would be the first person to buy an xbox in the past 3 years
@@istealpopularnamesforlikes3340 the most i ever considered getting an xbox was when i found out that rdr2 is native 4k on the xbox one x but i have a ps5 and a monitor that isnt 4k so considering i am a 1080p 165hz user i dont care for 4k anymore as high refresh rate is a bigger game changer for me
Then they'll announce that only certain games are compatible 😂
@@btwiusearch2That's what made me buy an Xbox for the first time. Bought my first 4k TV too just because of RDR2. Worth it. It's blurry on PlayStation
@@UlyssesM two things could happen
either steam or gog or whatever supports the xbox like they do for steam deck, or we get windows on xbox which is very unlikely but if that does happen it will be very stripped down
If this means that I could play all those awesome pc exclusive indie games on my Series X, it’d be amazing
And all the games that are only on Steam
Idk some of the PC games can run on the Series X maybe the next gen Xbox half PC half Console type
You can already do that with your pc.
I will never understand how people can't play basic "indie games" on their mid pc.
MS needs to finally release new big AAA games.
And all the Playstation games that come to PC.
It'd be more amazing if the witchard allowed us to skip ads on this channel
What about the other way around? Add a Xbox mode to windows so we can play Xbox games natively on PC. With an interface and everything.
Been waiting for this for a while
Nah, steam on the console would be way more interesting
Nawww lets just stick with steam on console.
Why? Almost all xbox games are already available on PC with better fps option. Who would want to play 30 fps games?
Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 games on PC with their internal emulator would be great
Make Xbox as a set spec PC, it would be awesome being able to put Windows on it and using it as a computer for my kids to use for school as well as play games on
Xbox series x would be the ultimate steam machine! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
if we get the xbox like gamepad friendly UI in windows PC, it would be great, specially for Home theatre PCs and Gaming handhelds.
I’ve wanted this for a long time, even now it seems quite feasible at the surface level on Windows 11
The PC market does need a $500 gaming PC that's catered too. I mostly game on PC so selfishly I think this will lead to games that scale better on higher end PC's vs consoles ports.
And it will force devs to optimise a little bit their games.
They could dev for an unique Windows Series machine (based on the series X carac with a classic apu hardware equivalent or further but with full TDP potential and 16Gb ram memory minimum. A laptop config in a Xbox series X case.) and they could port much easily to other configs.
This hardware could be the lead for middle range pc gaming. Windows series still stays Windows, even with an extralite version inside, with full compatibility for some softwares or apps maybe (that they didn't achieve with Windows mobile on Nokia systems. Best OS in my mind)
@@MrDjBoyLover MS should really partner with Steam and replace the Windows store for games with Steam and work with Steam to develop a games-only OS that's fully compatible with Windows. This kind of partnership was always seen by MS as a win but Valve was never interested. Now that every publisher is creating their own digital storefront/launcher, Valve may actually get on board as well. It's still crazy to me that MS hasn't signed a deal that sees Stream pre-installed in every version of Windows, for the last 20 years.
@@mrspaceman2764valve isn't interested because GabeN dislikes Microsoft.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 that was during the Windows Live days. MS fully supports and has worked with Valve on several software/hardware projects. Currently they're working on GP for SteamOS. Previously they worked on several VR hardware and API projects. Nothing at this level boils down to someone just doesn't like someone else. The situation is always fluid and based on mutual and individual interests. Gabe needs MS more than MS needs Gabe at the moment. The Steam Deck is doing okay but SteamOS/Steam PC's were a huge flop on their own. People want the convenience and compatibility of Windows and all their games from Steam. When it comes to gaming on PC, they already need each other.
Gaming is such a weird space. Xbox has sold almost 30 million units since 2022 we talk like it failed miserably. Do you know how many companies would kill to sell 27 million of anything in 3 years. It only sound bad compared to another company. But we don’t call ford failing because they sell a lot less than Toyota. Gaming culture is nuts
It’s considered a failure because for pretty much the entire 7th generation xbox dominated the gaming market, for someone that was in such dominant position to be in last place for the last 2 generations and not only that, this current console its selling even less than the previous one, that’s why it’s considered a failure.
Xbox is Microsoft's 2nd biggest earner, it's done really well
Correction 25 million since 2020 not 30 million since 2022. Let's not inflat and lie about how the console is doing.
People are so ready to hate on other preferred gaming platform is always funny to me.
Consoles makers don't make money on consoles
It should always have been!
The XBox should have never been a closed system. It should always have been a small, compact and affordable mini PC, especially with the strategy of none exclusive titles on XBox that are also available on PC anyways. It makes much more sense to see an XBox as an option/ alternative in the gaming PC market.
people are finally coming around to the dream
Yeah that sounds nice and all but on 2001 it just wasn't possible nor cost-effective to have Windows XP as a console stand-in. Maybe now with Windows 11 but back then it wouldn't have left the assembly room.
@@OneLastScholar i agree there, they could have probably had a very stripped down version of windows xp, but then whats the point? Now the consoles are so powerful that if i can sit here and use windows 11 on my steam deck (which is what i'm typing this on) with a million tabs open and running unreal engine, and i'm not even maxing the steam deck (currently have it on 8 watt which is about half its total wattage) i fully believe an Xbox series X running windows 11 with it accessible as a desktop mode (the default being game mode) would smoke whatever is capable on steam deck in windows 11 out of the water.
And then imaging a next gen xbox running windows 11/windows 12 and i begin to drool. Make it come in under £500 (or an option that is £500 that skimps on internal storage aslong as its upgradable) and i'm there!
It should keep the same specialised hardware and the low prices. The unique to the xbox hardware would incentivize the devs to optimize for it, cuz like 30% of the pc gamers would now be shifting towards a system that has a uniform set of specs in each and every unit. Many budget pc gamers would happily buy something like that if it does run windows.
The xbox wont be changing anything, it would just bring a whole lot of pc gamers to it's corner, just by enabling windows on it. Games available on steam and other 3rd party stores would defo optimize themselves in hopes of higher sales.
@@mortalgaming125 100% agreed, well said.
Would love to steam OS running on a Series X. Would be amazing to see this interface running on a powerful unit like that. And allowing cloud saves between that and my steam deck would be killer.
😂😂😂 stop believing this crap even ton warren who is a Xbox journalist even come out and put Xbox Twitter fanboys in there place by calling it nonsense who they where spreading this as truth jeez you bots clutch at straws valve have the steam deck and pc
@@DribbleP what the fuck are you rambling about!! Get a grip my guy.
I think that won't happen
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 thanks I really needed a random comment to to tell me this. You could become a philosopher with that type of deep thinking.
@@DribbleP did you generate this comment with AI cause it looks like it. I hate commenting because of people like you.
Steam with xbox and game pass might be the best thing to happen to people who don't want to invest into gaming rigs. I got an xbox recently mostly due to game pass (i didn't want to invest into buying console games since I already have a big steam library). If steam now comes to xbox, it'll be amazing for me.
The first thing that needs to change is the media’s negative view/opinion on Xbox, blowing fake rumors wayyyyyyy out of proportion till the point folk start to believe them.
Add Steam and VR support and I will be a console gamer forever!!!
So a “lumia” box, as in the windows phone days. Target device for a specific spec so devs would make sure software runs on it.
Ive been trying to string together a set of words to convey the exact same idea for the last 20 mins and there you did it for me in a few lines 😂😂
This is the only 4d chess move that xbox can pull off to get back its deserved share in the gaming industry atlast
I mean, I think some of the issues of dealing with a pc port vs refined dedicated console games could be solved pretty easily. You have your official xbox library where the experience is essentially what you had before, then you have your pc library where things might take more tweaking. Steam has a way of dealing with this quite well. They just have a rating system of how well the steamdeck works with a game.
If Xbox brought native 1:1 mouse n key support for games with its own mp lobbies, I would jump ship from my ps5. Can’t afford pc nowadays.
It's annoying that games like doom,destiny or battlefield don't have m&k support on current gen consoles. Most games don't have it. Many games don't even have fov sliders like cyberpunk or far cry 6. I don't see it happening anytime soon. Maybe next gen.
So essentially, they are just releasing prebuilt mini PCs. Now if they actually went full throttle and made it modular, but taking all the work out of actually building a PC. That would be something.
But they won't be using consumer parts available in the market. These components would probably be unique to the XBOX, prompting the devs to pump in the same amount of optimization as they put currently. The only difference would be that steam game devs would also be optimising for this very specific system that is more than likely to bring them a much higher number of sales.
Xbox as a platfrom wouldn't want to lose it's individuality, it would just open its platform to a larger number of devs though.
@@mortalgaming125 i completely agree. And that’s exactly how they should do it. Would be the best of both worlds
@@moderncreep9385 fr
It seems that MS will never recover from Xbox One release mistakes.
Seems like they learned nothing. Phil said that games are not the reason why people buy certain consoles.
Consoles are just way down in sales ..so crazy idea how about allowing the users to use their consoles that are already running AMD pc hardware and a custom version of windows to do everything a computer can ?
While people might say this is a crazy desperate move from Microsoft the fact is playstation 5 total units sold is 30-40% less than playstation 4 units was in the first four years.
*360
Yeah they needed at least 5 years of just amazing games, that you can only get on Xbox. It feels like they want to do everything else except that.
@@logirexchip shortage and cross platform keeps the older systems relevant. Only beginning to phase them out now.
This could be a major advantage. They only have to make sure it’s not as buggy or missing features or cross play like with their own Xbox app lately.
Its time for Microsoft to offer a gaming PC and just slap an Xbox brand on it.
@@AliAbidalkareemif it has better quality components than most prebuilt PCs why not. Power supply, cooling etc.
@@AliAbidalkareem These things won't sell.
How will it work since PC games have no online charge?
Could you buy the PC variant of a game and avoid this cost (gamepass)?
If it runs PC games it would be free.
They can mandate that Steam calls their Xbox API. Existing Steam games retrieve your ID from Steam, but if the Steam version that comes to Xbox wont give it the ID unless Xbox allows it....
They dont talk about one thing and thats the ssd is locked in to the console andnisnt easy to replace ontop of the expansion cards not being cheap. They need to fix this before they do anything else.
So is steam coming to Xbox or not?
People already want to use their consoles for more such as emulators under development mode. M$ really needs to just make it easier for the average consumer.
You know how many lawsuits they will get? Ain’t happening son.
yep i bought a steam deck instead of a series x simply because i can use a steam deck for more, even though its less powerful (much less)
These consoles already exist. They are called laptops and tablets.
yep. the "average consumer" uses emulators. MS should pursue a strategy where people are using emulators over buying games.
Using a console "for more" is the exact opposite of a consoles' intended use case. There's a reason people buy PCs and that's: to do more than play video games.
I dont think Phill was talking about emulating PC games on the XBOX like was suggested by OLieMack, but more likely have a native version of the game for sale on other store fronts. LIke for instance you have the Windows version, the Apple or the Linux version of the game on Steam, they could add the XBOX version of the game, and when you open your steam client on the XBOX, it would show the games on your library for that platform.
I have all 3 consoles and the statement that it's hard to find physical copies of xbox games is ridiculous, I think they just don't play on xbox so they don't look and they are just guessing because it sounds right to them in their head, there are plenty of physical xbox games here in Australia.
if the Xbox is already running pc based hardware and is already running a version of windows i don't see how this can be a bad idea. by pc standards the Xbox series still has better hardware then a whole lot of pc's that are currently playing these games on pc right now. I don't see how they cannot manage to adapt the API to run these pc games on the Xbox with lower settings and still have a great playable game. Not saying there are not going to be programing hurdles but this may be closer to reality than people might think. comparing the specs of the steam deck to the series x just shows that it is possible. if games can get to a playable state on the steam deck, then there is no reason it cant be done better on the xbox with it's superior hardware
I don't think anyone questions IF games can run on the Series X, but if MS is actually willing to open up its ecosystem. It's closed for a reason.
@gamble777888 I question it. Because PC builds are designed with separate RAM pools. Unless the games are updated, there will be bottlenecks. Or the game will have to run at much lower resolution and settings, then a true console port would.
And older games would have a lot of compatability isssues. Getting Fallout 2 to play on a modern PC requires a lot of mods.
At some point it isn't going to be a console they are selling. Just a pre build PC. And with a reduced store cut they can't supplement income so it will cost more.
@@gothpunkboy89 Steam Deck only has one unified set of RAM (16 GB). So does every computer that uses only the integrated GPU on the SOC. Compare the Steam Deck side by side with the specs of the series X and S and you will see that the Xbox has more CPU cores and a more powerful GPU then the steam deck (series S does have less RAM though). and people love the steam deck. Will the Xbox be able to run these games at high settings? most likely not, but will definitely be playable. right now the most used GPU on steam is the RTX 3060. A mid-range GPU. We as gamers get too caught up in max specs when the majority of people do not play on balls to the wall cutting edge PC builds. For the most part that is a small niche of the PC gamer world that gets lots of coverage by RUclips review channels when it actually reflects a small majority. I think the gaming industry is at a crossroads where the line in the sand between what is a console and a PC are just about gone. it is just a matter of excepting it and seeing who will make the first move.
@@TheMarjen96 Yes and integrated GPU's are terrible. If I tried to play Spiderman 2018 on my laptop it would run at 1 frame a minute even at low settings. Even pretty simple games like Moving Out on low can run terribly on them.
Let me ask you this. Why do PC games need 16 GB of RAM and another 8 GB of VRAM to run games? Why do you need GPUs with their own VRAM to play games instead of just using pure system RAM?
This is the issue with consoles. They are developed with a unified RAM system that is shared between CPU and GPU. Thus ports for those systems have to be tailor made to address these system requirements to get the performance out of them that they do.
Not to mention any custom software being used. If the Series X has a custom hardware decompression and that doesn't exist on the PC side. That means the game will not know to use it. Which will force all the decompression on the CPU. Which will tank performance. Unless the game is very specifically updated to add these in.
If I want to play Fallout 2 on the Series X then how do they deal with compatibility issues? Considering there needs to be mods to even allow it to play on modern day PCs.
If I buy CS:GO do I have to pay MS to play online with Steam servers? How would that work? One of the big things about PC is free online play. If I can get every game the Xbox store offers on Steam and I can play games online for free why would anyone use the Xbox store?
If no one has any reason to use the Xbox store then how does MS supplement the production costs though online subscriptions and cut of sales from their store front? Wouldn't this lead to hardware costs increasing?
At what point does it just become a prebuild PC with the Xbox logo slapped on it?
@gothpunkboy89 I in no way think that this is going to a the best way to experience these games. Just another way to play.
As far as the laptop comparison with integrated gpu it doesn't compare. As far as I know there are no SOCs that have the amount of CUs as the steam deck or ps5 and xbox. By comparison the steam deck is roughly equivalent to a gtx 1050 and the Xbox series X is roughly equivalent to a RTX 2070. That is still squarely in the realm of playing pc games. It's specs are aging for sure but it does pose a very interesting prospect.
2026 Xbox will become a gaming PC able to play PlayStaions PC games 😂 Checkmate
If Microsoft is talking Steam, Sony is doomed.
30 minutes clip ???
If MS can do this, it would be the most obvious but biggest brain move of all time.
It’s shame as I as I read the comments how unpopular Xbox is. The Xbox series X is a really great console and in my opinion is a better console than PS5. it has 120 fps w/ VRR support, 1440 P support at launch, Dolby vision at launch, runs cooler with a better design. You’re getting more for the price point at 499.99 than the over priced PS5
XSX is the G.O.A.T just because it can do emulation 🔥
If I could play games from my Steam library on console it would be amazing, I'd love to play older titles like MK9 & Black Flag at a decent resolution
Steam is excellent. Personally I would still have a PC, but the Xbox would be an attractive price point.
This would be a great implementation!
Bring it on! 👌🏻
What if they create a combo of the Switch and a powerful PC with an interface like the steam deck but with a windows OS?
Xbox has had horrible support of games. They keep buying up IP games/devs and studios, and then end up doing nothing with them or fail horrible. Halo/gears of war/fable/minecraft/Bethesda they all slowly dying. How does Phill still have job. He would been fired for redfall and Starfield if was with any other company. Xbox has forgotten that it’s about games sells system.
As DF said ram issue is going be issue. Specially for newer/next gen games. Consider pc port use both system ram and Video ram. As they said older pc games could be playable. But windows is BLOATWARE. Steam deck /steam os is proof Linux better for gaming. Not windows.
Sony could run there own custom Linux OS for pc. To say it’s not possible is bullshit. Steam os is proof that it’s possible on any pc hardware or console box device. Valve said they bringing STEAM OS to other devices and pc hardware. We just don’t know when it’s coming.
Physical media should still be a thing. It don’t have to be disc. They could use cartages or USB storage. Which could be smaller but still large enough to hold 128+ GB or more.
@makoto5280
Yeah I agree. I hope physical media stays for consoles. Love my ps5/switch and home made gaming pc. My pc gpu getting old. Only has GTX 1080ti. But here Canada. Newer gpu are still insanely priced. New 4080 is $1800+ atm lol. (Canadian) and 4070 isn’t much cheaper. Consider both still cut down at high primer price. Look at getting 6800xt/6900xt or 6950xt. They anywhere $900+ Canadian or more. 3090. Lol $2200 to $2500. Wtf more then new 4080 wtf
And yeah I loved Xbox 360/ps3 days. But ms has royally screwed up Xbox brand. My sis had Xbox one s (red gears of war one) that ex bf bought for her. She never used it. End up selling so she could pay bills. We still game on ps5 though. But yeah I don’t care what physical media is, just as long it last. I like switch cartage. Both Sony or ms could easily 128+ Gb ones put games on. Disc/Blu ray maybe cheaper. But disc player still takes up a lot room on console. Disc can be scratch and they can fade after many years. All disc games now all install to SDD anyways. I just think game on cartage and/or USB thumb drive are small. Size isn’t issue for them. And they can even set for read only and encrypted. Both Sony/Ms could even let us make backup onto USB thumb drive or cartage.
They could let set original cartage or ubs thumb drive in safe place. Then while online. It lets us make 1 backup copy of any game, with the latest patches already installed. Steam let’s us make backup. Don’t know why Sony/ms.
More likely another PC handheld. They will not make a real Series S handheld because of power consumption. The best thing we can hope is that Microsoft do something that makes PC handhelds with Windows better
Will have a tough job beating the Steam Deck.
@@rodriguezkev Or the Ally for that matter. You can already play the the very vast majority of all Xbox games in existing PC handhelds that run the full gammut in any potential price point MS could target. What would the hook be for a MS handheld? Literally zero exclusive games, won't ever offer a better price for performance than the Deck.
@@gamble777888 windows compatibility with a controller friendly interface. Combining the best parts of the ally and steam deck
@@gamble777888the hook is pretty obvious, just make ROG Ally look like a bootleg by providing a true xbox layer a la steamos
Steam Deck is not a console, it's a linux powered PC with a Steam skin wrap around.
It’s a console. Saying it’s a Linux power pc is like saying everything is. PS3 would then be a Linux based pc.
I think Cryobyte33 said it best calling it an opt-in PC.
It's debatable. It's a pc since you can install many files and run open source. It's not modular though. You're stuck with fixed hardware and it's intended to run steam and powered by steams features and ecosystem.
@@zeohblitz6969You could say the same about laptops and notepads, since several of those are also barely upgradable. However likewise they are still classed as PC's.
Also you can run any PC based OS on it, it's entirely at your discretion. Gabe even said so himself pre-launch, along with him also stating "It's first and foremost a PC".
People just tend to stick with the installed Steam OS it comes with, simply because it's more convenient and economical on such a device. Although some also do have thier Steam Decks setup to dual-boot into Windows, if needed (usually for the none Steam games and some Windows apps).
Personnely, I'd say that it is a PC that has just been consolised in some areas, due to it being more inclined towards gaming.
Wouldn't it be easier to start with putting Steam Link app on the Xbox? I had it built into my Samsung TV and it ran lovely. Yes it means you need a good network and you are limited to what games you own but I think it would be great. Steam in Big Picture mode on my Xbox Series X. Yes please.
12:00 But Microsoft did this by design. They've been nerfing and trying to do away with physical games since the Xbox One launched over a decade ago.
Games that are on disc on PS4/PS5 are a download key on Xbox One/Series consoles.
Some games on PS4/PS5 also work as a download key and Sony are also working to do away with physical games. There's a reasob the opted to have a digital SKU in addition to a SKU with a dis drivem Also think about this. Sony also made the disc drive on the new model PS5 completely optional with users having the ability to detach and sell on if they wanted to. It's no longer essential for the PS5 to have a disc drive.
@@Donald_Allan I know some PS games work as download keys, also some Switch cartridges. But it's nowhere near as bad as Xbox. Specially single player games.
@lirfrank The fact still stands that some PS4/PS5 games act as a download key and that Sony are also working to do away with digital games.
@@Donald_Allan I don't wanna be mean or anything, but there's a good reason Xbox's is significantly worse than PlayStation's. No one is arguing digital is the future. But Xbox has pretty much forced their userbase to go digital for over a decade now.
@lirfrank Both Xbox and PlayStation have been going down the digital route. In fact both companies have been nudging their install bases to digital. You might not like or want to hear that bit it's a fact!
Can't think of a single downside to this. Very curious about how it would be implemented.
Steam on Xbox would be amazing, they’re on their way to making the Series X just a gaming PC. And I’m all for that.
How would that work? Aren‘t console manufacturers selling their systems at a loss basically and making up for that with their stores, exclusive games, subscriptions etc.? If I can get a Series X for like 400 (it‘s constantly on sale) and then just buy cheap steam keys… how is that even sustainable for Microsoft?
Maybe a steam partnership, just a guess
Phil just says things all the time.
The guy talks himself into trouble
Pc Gamers don't like closed hardware and Console Gamers don't like have to customize settings on every game... so this would just speed up the end of Xbox 💩
Console version of windows? Sign me up. I personally don't like the Xbox OS, but this would be so interesting..
Question: does the xbox have a different architecture from x86 pcs that will need to be accounted for in games sold through Steam?
If XBox does this this is probably going to compel PC players to play their games in the living room instead of behind a desk in front of a computer screen all the time. And this could be good for the health of the PC Gamer considering that let's just be honest sitting out front of a computer may not be healthy all the time. And if the next-gen Xbox is more powerful than the series X then I'm definitely going to get this console and play my Steam games on my Xbox console just using a controller. It would be cool to see a PC console hybrid type of device that would be similar to the steam deck but more powerful. Imagine playing total war with an Xbox controller.
Pc only guys ain't doing that 😂😂 and this has already been called nonsense by Xbox journo and xbox only guys like Tom warren
I think they are just going to sell mid-high end PCs with modified windows to mainly game and have additional stores, most people will take that
These are all great ideas but someone needs to think about the controller interface. A large number of PC games need keyboard and mouse and that’s not really much fun when sat on a couch. It’s one of the issues with PC handhelds, that nobody (not even Valve) has successfully solved.
They aren't selling games already...you want steam? And all their games, and deals, on your machine?
Another great consumer move, but i dont see how this helps them, unlike releasing their games on competitors platforms.
One move makes you less money, and could actually harm the amount of money you make on your own games. The other makes you substantially more money on the games you need to sell
Chat can anyone tell me what headphones Dark 1X have on? I like them would like to get a pair.
An Xbox with Steam? I am not into console gaming but would definitely buy it.
I'm glad you're interested in buying an Xbox if Steam comes to Xbox.
If my Steam library becomes playable on Series X, I will be so stoked. Sometimes, a couch game is nice.
This would be the dream.
My Nvidia Shield Tv/Geforce gets the most play time over my Series X. GFN/Steam sales and library is more appealing. The downside is your internet speeds and lack of physical ownership. If they add the same functionality to the Xbox using Nvidia servers to run the library’s from the game stores and incorporate some form of offline play this could be huge. Every time I fire up my shield I always ask why am I not using my Xbox? It all comes back to games. GeForce now plays games instantly. No downloads, and better sales, bigger library. Xbox and Nvidia is already in a partnership. I think it’s coming sooner than later
I predicted this happening. When I heard the surface team working on it, a lot of people didn’t get it. My theory is you could do office work, play pc games, Xbox games, even do digital art with it. Point is Xbox can pull ahead if they make a system that does many different things and does them well. They have to differentiate them selves from PlayStation.
This makes me think it will ease the ditching of disc drives and switching to discless consoles for Microsoft!
I own a ps4 and haven't seen the need to upgrade to ps5. Ps5 pro might change that for me, but If xbox would let me play my steam library, I'd get an xbox in a heartbeat and forget the ps5 pro.
I'm worried if any pc game will be playable, Sony may stop making PC ports of their exclusives, as you can effectively play those on xbox (albeit with an average 1 year delay). EDIT: I got to the point in the video where they bring it up. Should have expected they would think of this :)
Funny how after all these years the Xbox might actually become a DirectXbox like it was supposed to be in the first place.
Xbox could have game compatibility whitelists/filters, like a "verified on steam deck" for xbox for 3rd party stores. Xbox has already tested the waters for different feature sets in games with baldurs gate, so people would understand "compat with s or x or both"
if Phil wasn't full of it i'd believe that this statement wasn't a half of what xbox is considering. His biggest goal is to get gamepass streaming on everything so read between the lines always.
Moving goalpost won't change the reality... 75 to 80% are series s owners. Last year. This, could be even higher. They will run what????
Is this true? 80% of Xbox users are on series S???
Wait, april 1st was yesterday, wasn't it? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Technically, an Xbox runs its games using a cut-down version of Windows running in a VM. I can't imagine it would be that hard to get actual Windows games running on it IF it's something Microsoft wanted to do. It could be something like a SteamDeck where there would be games certified to work with the Series X console. This would have many benefits, for example, being able to play all the Playstation PC ports, which would be kinda awkward for Sony, but it's a thing that could totally be done. Do I think Microsoft would do it? No, not really as it would push developers away from directly supporting the Series consoles as they would just argue that the Steam version is good enough, but it's an interesting idea.
I just want Microsoft to rerelease both HeXen II: Portal of Praevus and Heretic II on modern platforms now that they own both Bethesda and Activision...
stop charging for online gaming
The guy with the glasses is the biggest Microsoft hater in the world and the biggest PlayStation fanboy. He criticizes everything Microsoft delivers or where Windows runs. Recently, he badmouthed the Legion Go and hailed the Deck as the one true device. Now, he's immediately spreading negative vibes about the Xbox handheld and is already looking at everything critically. If it runs very well on the Legion Go, it will be no different on the Xbox. A few adjustments and it's done. Even if it were only 90% compatible, that would still be who knows how many tens of thousands of games that run on Windows to this day.
The biggest question I have isn't if Microsoft would allow clients like Steam, EA or GOG Galaxy into the XBox ecosystem but rather for how long those clients will be supported. Five years? Ten? Fifteen? Support for any of those clients will eventually die down and by then, existing active users will have to resort to jailbreak their consoles and that will inevitably bring forth the piracy topic again. I guess we'll solve that issue when we need to cross that bridge.
Steam on Xbox is a huge win
The problem no one seems to be talking about with Xbox OS running on random PC hardware is Quick Resume. Jason Ronald had an interview detailing how difficult it was to get that functionality working even with a set hardware spec, so it's definitely not going to be possible using varied hardware sets. Whatever they do the hardware platform needs to stay somewhat closed surely.
If XBOX goes this route, I think for the production, they would use the Nvidia model, where Microsoft makes a smaller quantity "Founders Edition" , and they license companies like ASUS, MSI, GigiByte, etc to build their versions.
EDIT: well I wrote this idea, then continued the video, then DF basically said what I wrote here! So at least it validates my idea
I just want to play Helldivers 2 without buying a PS5 or a new PC. It plays ok on my SteamDeck, even connected to an external monitor, but I want to enjoy it on a big TV. If they put steam on my series X, I'd be so happy!
Wait why do they need PCs games ? I thought the Xbox was all powerful all mighty can run games at 8k 60fps
What if the Strix Halo is actually the new Xbox chip. It is an 8 core 16 thread with 40 CU GPU.
I just don't see the business model behind this. The only way this could be advantages is if Sony and Nintendo could be moved to do the same and Xbox could have a store/app on their consoles. I think these remarks are a longterm chess move in this direction. Maybe that's a bit dark but I can't make much sense of it any other way. In the good times you can sometimes forget how heartless corperates can be and I'm not convinced at all that Microsoft has our best interests at heart, ultimately. As they said themselves, they're in the unique position to spend the competitors out of business. That might not be what Phil Spencer has in mind but I have no doubt there's corporates at Microsoft trying to mess with Xbox all the time.
And they still need to have the games to make that work. Let's not forget that that's what this business is all about and that's where Xbox has failed most of all, especially compared to Nintendo and Sony. Now they've bought two huge game publishers (well one huge and one humongous) while they were on the decline. Or at least on a downward slope. Microsoft needs to get Zenimax and Activision Blizzard back to running at their full potential first. And Microsoft has a spotty record when it comes to running studio's.
I personally think Microsoft needs to sit tight for a while longer with Xbox and stay the course. Get some amazing games out.
It would be nice if it we are able to change setting with consoles, like we do with PC. Leave it up to the consumer who pays a lot of money to actually do what they want with their console. I'm talking about graphic settings. Also if we change it to 1440p or 1080p is there any performance gains ? I mostly game in 1440p anyways on my PC.
Big corporations: "WhY PeOple wOnT BuY ConSOleS AnYmOre?" Jokes aside, they have 2 aces still in sleeves: bluray & short lanes for memory.
Would only be good if u could run Star citizen on an xbox but it wont be possible
Releasing consoles with smaller iterations like the iPad or surface is appealing imo
This would be great for PC ports too because publishers will finally have an incentive to make good ports.
I think JUST having alternative Stores wouldn't really move the needle all that much. I think instead of making a console os with a few fewer locks in place, Microsoft should make a more polished opinionated PC OS for controller use that without many hoops allows you to use your Xbox as a PC and do PC things like photo editing, writing emails, browse the web, ...
What an interesting concept. It’s very compelling to think they could make a path towards pc gaming. Phil is cooking something up
The thing that doesn't make sense about the Xbox getting the other stores, is, what would Microsoft's endgame be there? Historically the console is the one thing they don't get money from, usually sold at a loss, even. If people are using other storefronts, and already have a catalog there, it completely nerfs the value proposition from Game Pass. How is Microsoft getting anything out of it?
How is gamepass devalued? It’s not like it won’t exist.
This is what I don’t understand, the goal has never been to sell consoles. It’s been to sell games. The consoles were just an easy way to get people to buy those games. How does MS benefit if people buy a series console and load up their steam or gog library to play those games on it?
@@ContrastCopy Because the more stores you have access to, the more deals you're likely to find.
I often cross reference between PS, Switch, Xbox and PC to see where the best deal is on a particular game at that moment. Game Pass is less enticing if you find the game you wanna play for 3 bucks on Steam or they gave it to you for free on EGS two years ago.
@@JBaughb They would make money from the consoles which are sold and also make money from their games being sold on other stores. Also they will probably strike deals with Valve and Epic for games. Its that simple and Valve and Epic would do the same. Its that simple.
@@Donald_Allan Why would Valve accept to give Xbox a cut for a significantly smaller userbase than the one they already have?
So they’re basically “Surfacing” the Xbox. The Microsoft surface line of laptops tablets and desktops as a complement to the PC hardware market or a “choice simplifier” if you will. The Xbox is going to simply be the prebuilt gaming PC box.
It’s not a bad idea. But it will essentially remove the idea of fixed targeted hardware for developers in a time when developers seem to still be okay, or even demanding hardware to be fixed (some devs questioning the worthiness of the PS5 pro for example)
The game industry media is a eco chamber... they taking like the steam deck has sold 50 million or something.
Really like this new direction, the Series X already feels like an extension of my PC, so have epic and steam on there would be the cherry on top.
I'm genuinely curious to know about the piracy/jailbreaking scene on that sort of a hybrid.
Would it be as easy to run a game on it as it is on a windows pc by getting a simple cracked version from a shady website, or would games be as hard to pirate as they are to do so on the current jailbreak-proof xbox architecture?
I wish they would hurry up - my X would see far more use.
I nearly sold it two months ago, but it may be wise to keep it for future modding opportunities.
If Steam were allowed on the unit, that would be excellent.
Same, almost sold it but GTAVI announcement only for consoles for now made be reconsider selling it.
Sold mine got a ps5 and play xbox exclusives on GFN.
I sold my series x a long time ago it's garbage .got a gaming PC ... don't think pc games will run good on a series x
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I have a PC.
would that not effectively mean that gamepass needs merging into on service
I truly dont get why this would make sense?
Wouldnt you just be better off just shelling out an extra 200 bucks for a PC with like a 4050 card or1660 card? Rather than buying an XBOX to use as a limited PC?
I have always had a mid/high-end gaming PC as well as the latest Xbox console, and I can say without hesitation that when given the choice, I almost always opt to play on my Xbox instead of the PC. I have more than a handful of reasons for this, but without getting into them, I'll just say that having more stores and games ported from PC would greatly appeal to me. I imagine Epic, etc, would be interested in extending the reach of their stores to console users, but they would of course need to put in the time to port the games over.
1. A GTX 1660 is not even 1/3 the power of the Series X.
2. You can get a much better setup that that for $200 more.
Would they make a proton alternative? That would make sense seeing what it's done for steam deck compatibility.
Windows Virtual Machine on Xbox Series X would be nice. Now I can play my PlayStation/Retro PC games on my Xbox with my Dual Sense controller or mouse and Keyboard and switch back to Gamepass on the fly 😂
Perhaps Xbox built with more traditional PC hardware, making Xbox OS PC compatible
If this means that we can join everyone on any platform in a party chat, that would be a super bonus.