Do you have any experience with Hello Birdie? If so, how does that compare with Arccos? I know they are different, but they both have a subscription fee, Hello Birdie is $100 a year, Arccos is $150 a year. Can you recommend one over another or maybe even do a video showing the differences and making recommendation? I have searched RUclips and do you know what located this comparison.
I haven't seen Hello Birdie before, but it seems pretty similar to Arccos with some French flair. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't actually related in some capacity. I can't really speak on how it works, etc. But I think for all intents and purposes Arccos has "proved" itself in this space. You can typically get sensors for free and a basic free trail period. Hope that helps, cheers!
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
I think it has a great concept. THere is some great information in there if you are looking for it. It misses too many shots and the courses i play arent mapped accurately. I would love to give it a ashot and keep using it, but not for 160. If they came down on the price I think people could deal with some of the features that dont work as well
Good honest review. Probably best review on these I have seen. Would love it if you start getting into the mid to high end launch monitor reviews. Like GC3, Uneekor Mini Eye, Skytrak etc
Thanks! When I built my sim I was debating between Mevo+ and Skytrak but went with Mevo+ because I had the space and liked its features a bit more. I definitely want to check out GC3 and some of those other upper tier launch monitors, but going to either A) Need better half approval or B) Get more YT clout so these guys actually let me demo them..... Cheers!
Got Arccos today of a mate that didn’t want to renew his subscription guess I’ll see how it goes next weekend. Already have a good garmin watch so if trust those yardages over the sensors but excited to see the stats
I’ve been with Arccos from the beginning (2014) and grandfathered in with the first and second gen sensors however, I rarely ever see an add. Can’t remember the last time seeing one? I just opened the app and it goes straight to the “start round” screen and course closest to me. Maybe if you purchase the yearly subscription you get the adds?
Yeah, not sure. It may be because I started my Arccos journey with one of the free trial promotions when I bought a Ping club? It is just a bit annoying is all. On the tee box, just want to start the round, and then BOOM, "Hey give us more money maybe?" Ugh... anyways... Cheers!
Arccos does not charge you extra for the handicap feature. You have to pay for the GHIN membership, but you'd need to do that anyway. The USGA doesn't track your stats for free, so why would you expect Arccos to foot the bill for you?
From just a dumb layman… Arccos should have it’s own ability to assign GHIN numbers as “golf club” even as a regional basis with the amount of members it has. I mean good on them for integrating it though, just add it to the bill. Cheers!
Thx for the update. Glad to see the watch update improved battery life. It was one of the reasons I stopped using Arccos. That being said, Arccos is really a great tool…users just need to realize that post-round tweaks to the shots will be required. It doesn’t pick up 100% of the shots. If you’re willing to spend 10-20 min after the round to add / update shots the data and analysis you will get is phenomenal. The data will tell you exactly where your best opportunities for improvement are relative to your goals. Despite its flaws its the best platform because it provides the most insights to your game and the data is why any of these products matter.
I do enjoy using it and it does help manage my own expectations a lot of times about my performance on the course. I just wish the official handicap feature was actually INCLUDED in the cost as well. Cheers!
Tried Arccos twice too much info, I’m 73, I walk play 4 time a week just can’t keep upor correct. so I use apple ultra and swing U. Real easy as I have heard Hit hard and look up enjoy the game, from a high handicap Aloha
Not at all. It only “tracks your shot” once you find your ball and it the next shot. I cover this in my first review on the channel if you want to give it a look. Cheers!
Sucks that I have to buy additional attachment to get my putter sensor on my Super Stroke grip, but hopefully they work good for my. Need a second set for my other set of clubs.
I stopped using the putter sensor all together after a couple rounds. I hated the way it looked on my putter. So I just mark the pin locations and edit my putts after the round. Cheers!
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I’m probably going to get the system, but not the crappy looking screw on sensors. I’ll spend more for the replacement grips with the built in sensor. Why haven’t you tried this? Is there a downside (other than price)? Thank you.
I had Arccos but it would miss too many shots I took and I would have to go back and put them in. With the updates I am interested in giving it another shot
It definitely seems a bit more reliable, but I still need to edit my rounds each outing just to be sure it all looks correct. Usually takes about 10-15 minutes, cheers!
I bet the apple watch is a better monitor than the phone. I’m sure the accelerometers right next to each other swinging together talk and decide when a hit really was vs throwing a club in the air
I’m getting myself ready to decide if i want these or not. The subscription is a killer for me, but i can’t help but think this thing can only help my game.
Yeah, there are other options. I would say overall that it certainly has helped me improve and understand my golf game. I do enjoy looking through the data also. Cheers!
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
@@chrislaing8444 You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
@@svk_5104 I already have a Garmin watch so I’m not keen to have 2 devices for golf. The subscription model is turning me off Arccos and shotscope appears better than CT10.
I like & comment on my phone (also subscribed) but watch on my TV (not signed-in) so I probably confuse "the algorithm" 🙄. I got Arccos when I bought my old Ping irons... they're still in the unopened box somewhere. Seems like a bit of hassle for information that I already get just by paying attention. Plus I trust my rangefinder. But I have buddies that swear by them soooo... 🤷♂️. Useful video for a lot of ppl I'm sure. #HitEmStraight!!
@@GolfOnTap I might try out the shot scope. I just don’t like the subscription side of arccos. Btw would love to see you do a review of the lag shot training system. I think that would be cool.
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
I'm going to try the Tangent golf app. Seems to work really well with apple watch, has AI club selection and also keeps track of your dispersion for each club allowing you to pick better targets/clubs for each situation.
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. 150 for sensors and unit. Highly recommend!
Does it do carry distances yet? Talk about an absolute basic need for a "high end" tracker. Hard to imagine this thing got as popular as it is with just using total distance?! Ridiculous. If you're an even average player you MUST know carry distance. How else can you know what top hit? lol
I think the “smart distances / smart range” under club data is supposed to represent your likely carry. It seems to match pretty close to what I see on the simulator. It’s a decent app and I flip flop pretty often on keeping it or not. Cheers!
@@GolfOnTap yeah I bouvght the link thru some people I know and a related promo of 50% so gonna give this a try. Don't mind tweaking a bit to make the data legit but not having carry distance just seems completely absurd to leave out as this is the foundation of true stats. I appreciate your input on a workaround to at least approximate this. Wasn't there a rumour they we planning this or is this "smart" distances you're mentioning their solution?
Not really sure to be honest. But I do not see any feasible way that it could actually assess your carry distances itself, since it is basically just running off GPS data. The only thing they could possibly implement is for the ability for the player to input their carry distances manually under the club data, but this is not a feature at the moment. Cheers!
Yeah, it didn't loop that well and its tough to tell how its actually going to sound when it uploads. I try to make it barely audible. I'm just a dude doing / learning all this on his own. Whoopsies.
People who object to having to clean their data after a round don’t realize how mich effort it takes to collect every piece of data Arccos does - even for one hole, let alone 18 in a couple hours. Bring your barometer? This replaces an entire data collection assistant. That you didn’t have anyway. Data analyzed over time that is not from an unreliable self reporting system is an outrageous revolution that will pay dividends. Get into this and make your lessons really count. Find consistent errors that don’t register in your mind.
Thanks for the comment and I agree! I think the point I was trying to make is it is not the "set it and forget it automatic shot and game tracker" if you want accurate feedback from their metrics. Cheers!
Happy to see a fellow north west ga golfer. I just got mine in the mail. Looking forward to trying them out.
Do you have any experience with Hello Birdie? If so, how does that compare with Arccos? I know they are different, but they both have a subscription fee, Hello Birdie is $100 a year, Arccos is $150 a year. Can you recommend one over another or maybe even do a video showing the differences and making recommendation? I have searched RUclips and do you know what located this comparison.
I haven't seen Hello Birdie before, but it seems pretty similar to Arccos with some French flair. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't actually related in some capacity. I can't really speak on how it works, etc. But I think for all intents and purposes Arccos has "proved" itself in this space. You can typically get sensors for free and a basic free trail period. Hope that helps, cheers!
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
I think it has a great concept. THere is some great information in there if you are looking for it. It misses too many shots and the courses i play arent mapped accurately. I would love to give it a ashot and keep using it, but not for 160. If they came down on the price I think people could deal with some of the features that dont work as well
Good point, cheers!
I use jumbo max grips and they fit right inside the grip. Also like the review on the straight stick. Saved me 139.
Thanks John! I think it’s actually made my game worse. Played a round today and I couldn’t connect with my irons at all. Cheers!
@@GolfOnTap too many wacky swings trying to get the magnet to not click lol, I liked that review as well. Great Montage in there!
Good honest review. Probably best review on these I have seen. Would love it if you start getting into the mid to high end launch monitor reviews. Like GC3, Uneekor Mini Eye, Skytrak etc
Thanks! When I built my sim I was debating between Mevo+ and Skytrak but went with Mevo+ because I had the space and liked its features a bit more. I definitely want to check out GC3 and some of those other upper tier launch monitors, but going to either A) Need better half approval or B) Get more YT clout so these guys actually let me demo them..... Cheers!
Got Arccos today of a mate that didn’t want to renew his subscription guess I’ll see how it goes next weekend. Already have a good garmin watch so if trust those yardages over the sensors but excited to see the stats
Cool! There is a little bit of a learning curve with it so give it a decent chance. 5 rounds or so. Cheers!
I’ve been with Arccos from the beginning (2014) and grandfathered in with the first and second gen sensors however, I rarely ever see an add. Can’t remember the last time seeing one? I just opened the app and it goes straight to the “start round” screen and course closest to me. Maybe if you purchase the yearly subscription you get the adds?
Yeah, not sure. It may be because I started my Arccos journey with one of the free trial promotions when I bought a Ping club? It is just a bit annoying is all. On the tee box, just want to start the round, and then BOOM, "Hey give us more money maybe?" Ugh... anyways... Cheers!
@@GolfOnTap must be that. I NEVER see an add. Maybe on FB or a social media site but never with the app itself.
Great update. Considered Arcos but do not want a subscription. Looking at shot scope new watch.
Yeah I have a reminder set for next January so I can actually remember if I want to continue or cancel.
Arccos does not charge you extra for the handicap feature. You have to pay for the GHIN membership, but you'd need to do that anyway. The USGA doesn't track your stats for free, so why would you expect Arccos to foot the bill for you?
From just a dumb layman… Arccos should have it’s own ability to assign GHIN numbers as “golf club” even as a regional basis with the amount of members it has. I mean good on them for integrating it though, just add it to the bill. Cheers!
Thx for the update. Glad to see the watch update improved battery life. It was one of the reasons I stopped using Arccos. That being said, Arccos is really a great tool…users just need to realize that post-round tweaks to the shots will be required. It doesn’t pick up 100% of the shots. If you’re willing to spend 10-20 min after the round to add / update shots the data and analysis you will get is phenomenal. The data will tell you exactly where your best opportunities for improvement are relative to your goals. Despite its flaws its the best platform because it provides the most insights to your game and the data is why any of these products matter.
I do enjoy using it and it does help manage my own expectations a lot of times about my performance on the course. I just wish the official handicap feature was actually INCLUDED in the cost as well. Cheers!
Tried Arccos twice too much info, I’m 73, I walk play 4 time a week just can’t keep upor correct.
so I use apple ultra and swing U. Real easy as I have heard Hit hard and look up enjoy the game, from a high handicap Aloha
Saw the golf channel saw the Arccos review saw Bills in the background that's enough for my sub!
Haha, I think I've gained more subscribers from Bills Mafia than anything else! Appreciate it, cheers!
Well the fact there is a fellow golfer who is a bills fan goes without saying that a sub is needed! Just watching some content now! @@GolfOnTap
Would arcos be good to help find my ball if I lost where it went in the air?
Not at all. It only “tracks your shot” once you find your ball and it the next shot. I cover this in my first review on the channel if you want to give it a look. Cheers!
Sucks that I have to buy additional attachment to get my putter sensor on my Super Stroke grip, but hopefully they work good for my. Need a second set for my other set of clubs.
I stopped using the putter sensor all together after a couple rounds. I hated the way it looked on my putter. So I just mark the pin locations and edit my putts after the round. Cheers!
Appreciate the review. The constant upsell when you're already a customer is super annoying. Hope Arccos listens!
It's one thing to inform customers of new products, etc. but to continually have to decline over and over is super annoying. Cheers!
Cool review bro! Subscribed! Hopefully you make it to 5k 😎😎
Thanks I really appreciate it. I don’t know what is more of a grind; golf or RUclips. Haha, cheers!
I just used some tape and spraypainted the green with black paint. After about 50 rounds, they still look new.
Thanks for the tip. I’ll be doing this soon, cheers!
@@GolfOnTap Ensure the use of high-quality paint specifically formulated for plastic surfaces, as this is crucial. The application of cheap paint or paint designed for different materials may result in cracking or detachment. Prior to painting, diligently tape off areas that are not intended to be painted. Utilize fine grit sandpaper (400+), employing a gentle roughening technique on the surface to be painted. The objective is not to sand it down significantly, but rather to provide the paint with enhanced adhesion. Subsequently, thoroughly wipe the surface with alcohol, leaving it with a dry, slightly weathered appearance. Adhere to the instructions provided by the paint manufacturer, including the recommended time intervals between each coat. It is imperative to apply each layer thinly, even after the first coat, allowing some green color to remain visible beneath the paint. While wear and tear may occur over time, proper application will prevent sudden issues.
I’m probably going to get the system, but not the crappy looking screw on sensors. I’ll spend more for the replacement grips with the built in sensor. Why haven’t you tried this? Is there a downside (other than price)? Thank you.
Mainly just the price and my stupid need to switch out random clubs in my bag at times because it’s totally their fault……… haha. Cheers!
I had Arccos but it would miss too many shots I took and I would have to go back and put them in. With the updates I am interested in giving it another shot
It definitely seems a bit more reliable, but I still need to edit my rounds each outing just to be sure it all looks correct. Usually takes about 10-15 minutes, cheers!
I bet the apple watch is a better monitor than the phone. I’m sure the accelerometers right next to each other swinging together talk and decide when a hit really was vs throwing a club in the air
Great video really informative. I love you black clubs also
Thanks, definitely building confidence with them... just need to get this swing dialed in a bit more. Cheers!
I’m getting myself ready to decide if i want these or not. The subscription is a killer for me, but i can’t help but think this thing can only help my game.
Yeah, there are other options. I would say overall that it certainly has helped me improve and understand my golf game. I do enjoy looking through the data also. Cheers!
Same here. What are the other options out there?
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
@@chrislaing8444 You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
@@svk_5104 I already have a Garmin watch so I’m not keen to have 2 devices for golf. The subscription model is turning me off Arccos and shotscope appears better than CT10.
I like & comment on my phone (also subscribed) but watch on my TV (not signed-in) so I probably confuse "the algorithm" 🙄.
I got Arccos when I bought my old Ping irons... they're still in the unopened box somewhere. Seems like a bit of hassle for information that I already get just by paying attention. Plus I trust my rangefinder. But I have buddies that swear by them soooo... 🤷♂️. Useful video for a lot of ppl I'm sure. #HitEmStraight!!
Thanks Rishi, I appreciate the support on all the content. This YT thing has been a grind too, haha. Cheers!
U nailed it
Thanks dude! Cheers!
Is there a driving range mode
Nope, because it only logs distance based off GPS points on your phone when you go from shot to shot on the course.
Enjoyed this video. I love those black clubs you got!
Thanks dude! The better half graciously approved the purchase. I’m really liking them, just need to get better and do them justice. Cheers!
Appreciate the review
Appreciate the comment! Cheers!
The new update makes these interesting
I'm still liking using Arccos although I do think I am on the fence continuing the service for a 3rd year. Cheers!
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
Definitely get your handicap
Shot my miracle round last week (video recap coming soon) so yeah I think it may be time to make it official. Cheers!
Good review
Thanks! Cheers!
Thanks for the video. Been debating over getting arccos. Might keep waiting 😅
Glad I could help! It's certainly not "bad" and I do enjoy it, but most likely will end my subscription after this year. Cheers!
@@GolfOnTap I might try out the shot scope. I just don’t like the subscription side of arccos.
Btw would love to see you do a review of the lag shot training system. I think that would be cool.
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. Highly recommend!
I'm going to try the Tangent golf app. Seems to work really well with apple watch, has AI club selection and also keeps track of your dispersion for each club allowing you to pick better targets/clubs for each situation.
@@astromope1422 Won't the sensors die after like 2 years either way?
Need to Play the RUN again.
For sure! Cheers!
Price?
$200 sensors (you can usually get these free though) then $99 annually after a 45 day trial. Cheers!
You should look into getting the shot scope h4. Smaller sensors, no subscription fees and you don’t need to use your phone at all during a round. It also has the same shot tracking and stat keeping as Arccos. 150 for sensors and unit. Highly recommend!
channel needs better audio mixing or something. cannot hear you on a laptop with harmon kardon speakers
Oh wow, I’ll look into it. Thanks.
Go Bills! 🙌
A round with #17 would be an awesome experience... cheers!
Try putting one on a Scotty Camron waste of time SWING U / Apple Watch ,is the tool Aloha
I'll give it a look, thanks!
Does it do carry distances yet? Talk about an absolute basic need for a "high end" tracker. Hard to imagine this thing got as popular as it is with just using total distance?! Ridiculous. If you're an even average player you MUST know carry distance. How else can you know what top hit? lol
I think the “smart distances / smart range” under club data is supposed to represent your likely carry. It seems to match pretty close to what I see on the simulator. It’s a decent app and I flip flop pretty often on keeping it or not. Cheers!
@@GolfOnTap yeah I bouvght the link thru some people I know and a related promo of 50% so gonna give this a try. Don't mind tweaking a bit to make the data legit but not having carry distance just seems completely absurd to leave out as this is the foundation of true stats. I appreciate your input on a workaround to at least approximate this. Wasn't there a rumour they we planning this or is this "smart" distances you're mentioning their solution?
Not really sure to be honest. But I do not see any feasible way that it could actually assess your carry distances itself, since it is basically just running off GPS data. The only thing they could possibly implement is for the ability for the player to input their carry distances manually under the club data, but this is not a feature at the moment. Cheers!
@@cryptoking8060that’s ridiculous. what the heck do you think this is? This isn’t a $5000 launch monitor 😂
Want some cheese with that Whine?
That sounds gouda. Thanks.
The music in the background sucks, almost stopped watching.
Yeah, it didn't loop that well and its tough to tell how its actually going to sound when it uploads. I try to make it barely audible. I'm just a dude doing / learning all this on his own. Whoopsies.
People who object to having to clean their data after a round don’t realize how mich effort it takes to collect every piece of data Arccos does - even for one hole, let alone 18 in a couple hours.
Bring your barometer? This replaces an entire data collection assistant. That you didn’t have anyway.
Data analyzed over time that is not from an unreliable self reporting system is an outrageous revolution that will pay dividends.
Get into this and make your lessons really count. Find consistent errors that don’t register in your mind.
Thanks for the comment and I agree! I think the point I was trying to make is it is not the "set it and forget it automatic shot and game tracker" if you want accurate feedback from their metrics. Cheers!