Mike - this is the best tutorial on layout I've ever seen. I've been doing this work for over 50 years, and I learned several refinements of traditional techniques that I will certainly put into use!
I have spent the past 12 years learning how to metal shape and weld to make my own rust repair panels. I don't know anybody in my area that does what I do so it was a long and painful learning curve that my passion for old cars and trucks required. I have learned from books and videos. the best teacher has been for me to learn a concept and practice. The tips and tricks you are sharing for free on here is invaluable to those of us that strive to do the quality of work you do. I hate bondo and spent 80 hours learning to metal finish the front nose of my truck by hand. I made mistakes and learned from them and learned how to fix them. If I had the budget for the power tools I would have used them, but I feel learning with hand tools taught me how to read the metal so I know what it needs. The videos you are doing is going to cater to the guy that has pride in his work and always strives to do the best he can and learn to always do better. Keep it up. I'm sponging it up.
AMAZING! The little details you call boring for some is extremely interesting to me! It’s so difficult to find someone who will explain the small, very important details like you have shown. Thank you very much!!
I must say, I find myself in a state of amusement rather than boredom. It brings me great joy to realize that I am not alone in this particular activity.
Take it from an old Technical School Instructor you have a natural flare for this, being able to do it doesn't automatically transfer into explaining it in an understandable way, keep the videos going, no one has to agree with everything or your way of doing it as there is always more than one way to skin a cat as they say and they are entertaining and informative, good work !
Man you're one of the very few guys I've seen with this kind of talent with sheet metal that not only is willing to show how you do it but you can explain it in simple enough terms that I can understand it as someone with minimal metal shaping experience.
Dude...your approach is spot on. The difference between a professional and a novice is technique. No one is teaching at the level of detail you are. I'm confident your content will likely realize more people embracing the craft because they're learning how to achieve success. Success breads additional enthusiasm to continue vs. the inverse, which would be to give up. Thank you!
Mike, You are EXCELLENT at explaining a VERY complicated subject ( complicated when paying attention to details, and doing the BEST You're able to do..), in an extremely professional and understandable way. As an aside, not everyone nowadays has the attention span of an 12 yr. old, and I at least, would literally watch the entire process start to finish in real time. That is if I had the time! Good stuff!!
The little “boring” details are the most important in my opinion. Keep doing what you’re doing. I would love to see some more running a business type videos too. 👍🏻👍🏻
Mike, I found all this information very helpful. As the student I anxiously and carefully listened to every word and carefully watched your seamless motions. These are the gifts that many master craftsmen under appreciate and therefore are unable to express for others to learn. You have many gifts….. the gift to develop a method that beautifully and repeatedly shapes metal, and the gift to efficiently and effectively express those methods for others to learn. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your craft. 👍👍😎👍👍
It is great to hear the details of how you build the panel, including the tricks with the tape and ultra fine sharpie. I am not sure that I can ever afford a power hammer, but this is just a hobby for me. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us!
I was going to say you make a great teacher, but at your skill lever, not only in metal shaping, but also in explanation of how & why you do whay you do, I think it would be more proper to call you "Professor" ! Thanks, you make me a better metal worker with each video.
Good video series. Keep adding the details, The guys who think they don't need to know the finer details are the same ones who have trouble making panels.
I always enjoy watching Ron Covell videos and I enjoy these for the very same reasons Mike. The OCD level of detail, explanation and execution is amazing to watch 👍👍
I’ve likely made similar comments on your videos, but I’m impressed. The detail you put into these videos, right down to the proper treatment of the tape when laying it into a radius,…that’s gold. I realize that it’s extra time but, in the end, if you keep your standards high, and you become efficient in all aspects of what you do, while pleasing your clients (and yourself), where is the problem? If others want to just bang out the quality that is acceptable to them and their clients, why would they feel the need to criticize? Pride. People equal and above you will encourage you with constructive advice. Those who are beneath you will criticize without reason. Thanks for your excellent videos. Very satisfying, informative and good advice.
Dude, it isn't boring. It is always a pleasure to hear tips & tricks" from an SME (Subject Matter Expert) as yourself. The talent and art of fabrication would be lost without you publishing this information. So, again, it is NOT boring. Thank you.
Really great video and very informative. I've spent a bunch on metal shaping classes but learned things in this video that were never covered in the classes. Cant't wait for the next video in this series.
I totally understand your process it makes complete sense and the cutting with the snips not cutting to the end of the shears saves a lot of agrevation
Absolutely agree, state of mind is so important as a maker of anything. If you are in the zone, everything goes more smoothly, and if you make an error, it is lesss onerous to correct it. If you are not in a good place, then you are likely to make errors, or not do your best work. Being able to recognize the best time to work is so important. I often stop if my work is not going well. You can always go back to it. I am in the process of undoing work, because I am not really happy with it. No big deal, but going forward it will affect the quality of the finished piece.
That precision you're emphasizing either tape and using the fine sharpie gives you a better level of confidence. You're not trying to remember to add or subtract a little bit here or there. If your layout method is always consistent, you'll always be confident. You're doing a good thing emphasizing this "boring" stuff. 👍
Hi Mike , Ive just watched this video ......amazing !!!!!!!!!!!.PLEASE dont think this is boring . Im no metal shaper but this and ALL your other videos are so informative . Please keep up the great work, be it making the videos or making some amazing parts for your customers . Thank you . Mark.
Zen and zone are good partners. Install an off switch to the doorbell. The concentration level will go up, but leave the fire alarm alone. 😉 I just started watching your channel and am amazed at the quality of what you do and the different things you do. Bodywork is one thing, but frames too? 👍
Great video sets lately. Absolutely loving these tutorial videos. You do a great job explaining the methods and reasons for them. Keep it up bud. I will definitely keep watching.
Very good video. I appreciate the explanation as you go. Don't pay attention to the "Comments from Experts" . I always ask "Where's your car or truck?" I just picked up a Model A two door sedan so I will be looking forward to this series.
Mike, Nice video.. perhaps one of your best ones. Yes you have a little OCD but don't worry about it. If a person can't read the shape of a panel he can't make a precise pattern. If he can't make a precise pattern he can't make a precise panel. Might as well buy something after market. So your OCD is a good thing. makes a novice like me aspire to a higher level of work. Looking forward to your next video on this Model A panel.
I don't find it boring at all. I was a general mechanic in life (dealership, independent, drive train), but I think body work would have been a better path.
Sure, its actully a simple concept. a light line is just that, a line of light where a radius starts, stops or changes. the light changes with the shape of the panel
Found your channel from watching Karl Fisher's channel. Quality information is never boring!! Thank you for sharing your talent and experience to a novice metal shaper, ( restoring a 1960 Triumph TR3A ) . I have never seen a spring center punch like the one you are using. Did you make the center punch or is it commercially available? I find it most interesting the tools that are being used to make metal shaping easier. I usually use a metal scribe but I will be trying the fine line sharpie. Frank
This is an amazing skill! Thanks for sharing! So just out of curiosity, the replacement panels that are sold like say from AMD or Goodmark…those panels have to be pressed between a tool and die that are perfectly opposing shapes right? I’m just trying to envision/understand how the craftsman created those tools back in the day…amazing really!
Great video! Instead of a center punch, ever tried using a leather copy wheel / marker wheel to trace the pattern through the paper? I find those to be useful as they leave a slight mark but no indentation.
Check out the video in the description for when i made the pattern. The way the pattern lays on the part you are patterning dictates where and the amount of shrink needed and noted
Hay buddy I do like your show I also have an A model that I’m doing panel work on but where do you get the patten ? my quarter panel is not good, it’s the coupe I was thinking about getting a brookville quarter panel and welding the top half?? I love doing what you do and would love to be your student to get my head around characteristics of sheet metal 😊😊thanks
There is a link in the video description to the video where I patterned the original quarter panel. As far as using a brookeville roadster quarter on a coupe they are a lot different from one another .
Great Video. Great information. Thanks. Wray from Proshaper does a tape template. Did you ever try it that way. If so, why did you feel this is Better. #STAYSAFE #PHILLYPHILLY🇺🇸
I dont like the flexible shape pattern because it doesnt show you the path, or road map how to get to desired shape. you just stretching the metal up and until it fits the pattern. a lot more guess work that way. also they are for stretch based shape work and I work mostly in Shrink based shaping. I would have to cut the flexible shape pattern apart to lay out a flat pattern which is a waste of time, and tape when a paper pattern shows exactly what is needed where it is needed with no guess work
Mike please don't stop the full training it's why most of us are here🙏👍
Mike - this is the best tutorial on layout I've ever seen. I've been doing this work for over 50 years, and I learned several refinements of traditional techniques that I will certainly put into use!
Thank you Ron, very humbled by your comments
Totally love you both
You guys rock
Mabe we can see a joint project in the future???
I have spent the past 12 years learning how to metal shape and weld to make my own rust repair panels. I don't know anybody in my area that does what I do so it was a long and painful learning curve that my passion for old cars and trucks required. I have learned from books and videos. the best teacher has been for me to learn a concept and practice. The tips and tricks you are sharing for free on here is invaluable to those of us that strive to do the quality of work you do. I hate bondo and spent 80 hours learning to metal finish the front nose of my truck by hand. I made mistakes and learned from them and learned how to fix them. If I had the budget for the power tools I would have used them, but I feel learning with hand tools taught me how to read the metal so I know what it needs. The videos you are doing is going to cater to the guy that has pride in his work and always strives to do the best he can and learn to always do better. Keep it up. I'm sponging it up.
AMAZING! The little details you call boring for some is extremely interesting to me! It’s so difficult to find someone who will explain the small, very important details like you have shown. Thank you very much!!
It is not boring when you actually learn valuable information. Most of the other makers I enjoy watching just gloss over the fine details.
I must say, I find myself in a state of amusement rather than boredom. It brings me great joy to realize that I am not alone in this particular activity.
Take it from an old Technical School Instructor you have a natural flare for this, being able to do it doesn't automatically transfer into explaining it in an understandable way, keep the videos going, no one has to agree with everything or your way of doing it as there is always more than one way to skin a cat as they say and they are entertaining and informative, good work !
Thanks
Yeah! What he said 👆
Signed,
a former Vo Tech student
Yeah even on the podcast it always seems like when he explains it I out loud exclaim “ohhhhh, yeah that makes since now”
Man you're one of the very few guys I've seen with this kind of talent with sheet metal that not only is willing to show how you do it but you can explain it in simple enough terms that I can understand it as someone with minimal metal shaping experience.
Dude...your approach is spot on. The difference between a professional and a novice is technique. No one is teaching at the level of detail you are. I'm confident your content will likely realize more people embracing the craft because they're learning how to achieve success. Success breads additional enthusiasm to continue vs. the inverse, which would be to give up. Thank you!
Really enjoyed the high attention to "boring" details in this video. Relays the mindset needed for this level of work. Excited for the next episode!
It's pretty obvious you've learned from the best in the business. Now we learn from one of the best. Thanks.
Thanks but I am all self taught
Your work is really precise and you are an excellent teacher. I enjoy learning from you very much.
thanks for watching
What you said about negativity is very true.
The power of assumption is a real life phenomenon.
Love your work!
🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎☮️🍀☮️
Thanks
I dig the detail. It's great to hear all the thoughts and techniques that are going through your head as you're laying out and making panels.
Thanks, there is so much going on in my head at all times, its hard to get it all out
The details are what separates you from others that’s why I find it interesting
Mike, You are EXCELLENT at explaining a VERY complicated subject ( complicated when paying attention to details, and doing the BEST You're able to do..), in an extremely professional and understandable way.
As an aside, not everyone nowadays has the attention span of an 12 yr. old, and I at least, would literally watch the entire process start to finish in real time.
That is if I had the time!
Good stuff!!
Thanks for the feedback, I have some longer format videos coming out, so make sure to check them out.
Mike, I liked the detailed description of laying out the pattern. Most people need step-by-step instruction when learning new techniques. Great Job!
Showing details that I am sure you have learned through years of experience is not boring. Thanks
The little “boring” details are the most important in my opinion. Keep doing what you’re doing. I would love to see some more running a business type videos too.
👍🏻👍🏻
This is quite a valuable lesson
Due to the fact your seperating the professionals and the good enoughers
You are a professional sir
Thanks for watching
Great video, the reason the quality of your work is amazing, is because of your attention to detail.
Mike, I found all this information very helpful. As the student I anxiously and carefully listened to every word and carefully watched your seamless motions. These are the gifts that many master craftsmen under appreciate and therefore are unable to express for others to learn. You have many gifts….. the gift to develop a method that beautifully and repeatedly shapes metal, and the gift to efficiently and effectively express those methods for others to learn. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your craft. 👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks I really appreciate it and thanks so much for checking out the channel
What a great video ... nothing boring here ... lots of excellent information ... looking forward to part two ...
Thanks for watching
It is great to hear the details of how you build the panel, including the tricks with the tape and ultra fine sharpie. I am not sure that I can ever afford a power hammer, but this is just a hobby for me. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was going to say you make a great teacher, but at your skill lever, not only in metal shaping, but also in explanation of how & why you do whay you do, I think it would be more proper to call you "Professor" ! Thanks, you make me a better metal worker with each video.
Thank you
This guy is a national treasure, please protect him.
Good video series. Keep adding the details, The guys who think they don't need to know the finer details are the same ones who have trouble making panels.
I always enjoy watching Ron Covell videos and I enjoy these for the very same reasons Mike. The OCD level of detail, explanation and execution is amazing to watch 👍👍
I’ve likely made similar comments on your videos, but I’m impressed. The detail you put into these videos, right down to the proper treatment of the tape when laying it into a radius,…that’s gold.
I realize that it’s extra time but, in the end, if you keep your standards high, and you become efficient in all aspects of what you do, while pleasing your clients (and yourself), where is the problem?
If others want to just bang out the quality that is acceptable to them and their clients, why would they feel the need to criticize?
Pride.
People equal and above you will encourage you with constructive advice. Those who are beneath you will criticize without reason.
Thanks for your excellent videos. Very satisfying, informative and good advice.
Dude, it isn't boring. It is always a pleasure to hear tips & tricks" from an SME (Subject Matter Expert) as yourself. The talent and art of fabrication would be lost without you publishing this information. So, again, it is NOT boring. Thank you.
I understand your boring comments reference, but if you are serious about this stuff, then this is so valuable. Thanks again, Joe
Thanks for watching
Really great video and very informative. I've spent a bunch on metal shaping classes but learned things in this video that were never covered in the classes. Cant't wait for the next video in this series.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support and checking out the channel
Great tip on the tape layout I always learn something useful from your videos and Facebook posts can't wait for the next video.
Thanks for watching and glad the tape was helpful
Details are important Mike. Thank You for sharing your skills.
Showing and stressing the details is how we, I , can learn a precise way to do the work great video and the kind I enjoy watching.
I totally understand your process it makes complete sense and the cutting with the snips not cutting to the end of the shears saves a lot of agrevation
Yep, ditto on the many comments, learned a lot. Helped me to see why some of the difficulties I’ve had. Thanks and more please.
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching
I like as much detail as possible
We're on the same brainwave, excellent tutorial Video Thank You! It's appreciated
Thanks
Not boring, it's important
Usually the most boring stuff is the most important
Thoroughly enjoy all the details you give, it's those details that make you a better craftsman. Great video as always. ✌️😁
Thanks 👍
Absolutely agree, state of mind is so important as a maker of anything. If you are in the zone, everything goes more smoothly, and if you make an error, it is lesss onerous to correct it. If you are not in a good place, then you are likely to make errors, or not do your best work. Being able to recognize the best time to work is so important. I often stop if my work is not going well. You can always go back to it. I am in the process of undoing work, because I am not really happy with it. No big deal, but going forward it will affect the quality of the finished piece.
This is great to learn as robots and lasers enter the craft of metalworking.
Lasers and robots will never replace a coach builder
Great video with good information. Hope to see more videos like this from you.
More to come! Thanks for watching
Wow. You sir have awesome skills. A pleasure to watch true craftmanship.
Thank you
That precision you're emphasizing either tape and using the fine sharpie gives you a better level of confidence. You're not trying to remember to add or subtract a little bit here or there. If your layout method is always consistent, you'll always be confident.
You're doing a good thing emphasizing this "boring" stuff. 👍
Thanks, yep consistency turns into efficiency and repeatable results
Hi Mike , Ive just watched this video ......amazing !!!!!!!!!!!.PLEASE dont think this is boring .
Im no metal shaper but this and ALL your other videos are so informative . Please keep up the great work, be it making the videos or making some amazing parts for your customers .
Thank you .
Mark.
Great video, great tutorial. When a 35 minute video seems like 10 minutes. If you ever need a camerman let me know.
Thanks for watching
Zen and zone are good partners.
Install an off switch to the doorbell. The concentration level will go up, but leave the fire alarm alone. 😉
I just started watching your channel and am amazed at the quality of what you do and the different things you do.
Bodywork is one thing, but frames too? 👍
Thanks for watching. I have many irons in many fires lol
Great video sets lately. Absolutely loving these tutorial videos. You do a great job explaining the methods and reasons for them. Keep it up bud. I will definitely keep watching.
Very good video. I appreciate the explanation as you go. Don't pay attention to the "Comments from Experts" . I always ask "Where's your car or truck?" I just picked up a Model A two door sedan so I will be looking forward to this series.
Keep it coming! Very informative and educational. I have learned already and look forward to learning more.
More to come! Thanks for watching
Very informative and well explained. It’s all about the small details!
Very informative, you are a great teacher and craftsman.
Always learn something! I had never seen that type of spring punch before, now there is another tool I have to buy!
they are super awesome. I do sell them in my store
Mike,
Nice video.. perhaps one of your best ones. Yes you have a little OCD but don't worry about it.
If a person can't read the shape of a panel he can't make a precise pattern. If he can't make a precise pattern he can't make a precise panel. Might as well buy something after market. So your OCD is a good thing. makes a novice like me aspire to a higher level of work. Looking forward to your next video on this Model A panel.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mike
My pleasure!! Thanks for watching
Great Content!
Thanks
Very informative tutorial, thanks for taking the time
Thanks for watching
Awesome job as always Mike, I learn so much watching your videos. Cant wait till part 2!!!!
Excellent attention to detail...
I don't find it boring at all. I was a general mechanic in life (dealership, independent, drive train), but I think body work would have been a better path.
Thank you for posting this
Thanks for watching
Great video, thanks! Great idea for a series.
Perfect!
Very interesting & helpful video thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
great info
Glad you like it !
Excellent! Thank you Mike!
Thanks Mike. The information that you share is first class.
Can you explain light lines a bit further at some point please?
Sure, its actully a simple concept. a light line is just that, a line of light where a radius starts, stops or changes. the light changes with the shape of the panel
love the videos mate very helpful
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
Found your channel from watching Karl Fisher's channel. Quality information is never boring!! Thank you for sharing your talent and experience to a novice metal shaper, ( restoring a 1960 Triumph TR3A ) . I have never seen a spring center punch like the one you are using. Did you make the center punch or is it commercially available? I find it most interesting the tools that are being used to make metal shaping easier. I usually use a metal scribe but I will be trying the fine line sharpie. Frank
Thanks for watching, the punches are available though the store on my website cornfieldcustomsltd.com
Crazy good stuff, as always!
Five principles, I like it.
very good, looking from Brazil….
Nice......... great content easy top fallow
This is an amazing skill! Thanks for sharing! So just out of curiosity, the replacement panels that are sold like say from AMD or Goodmark…those panels have to be pressed between a tool and die that are perfectly opposing shapes right? I’m just trying to envision/understand how the craftsman created those tools back in the day…amazing really!
Thank you!
Love it doing great
Thanks!
Great video, thanks for posting it!
Like and subscribe 👍
Thanks for the sub!
Great video! Instead of a center punch, ever tried using a leather copy wheel / marker wheel to trace the pattern through the paper? I find those to be useful as they leave a slight mark but no indentation.
I dont like using them, i prefer the punch with a light strike
Very good video is that 20 g that you are using?
No its 18 gauge cold roll
Amazing amazing video. It would be nice if you show as how you took the pattern from the original panel
There is link in the description for the video where i made the pattern
Thank you
Sorry if you already mentioned this, but what considerations do you use when determining the distance of the shrink lines? Really enjoying this series
Check out the video in the description for when i made the pattern. The way the pattern lays on the part you are patterning dictates where and the amount of shrink needed and noted
Thank you.
hanks very enjoyable
Hay buddy I do like your show I also have an A model that I’m doing panel work on but where do you get the patten ? my quarter panel is not good, it’s the coupe I was thinking about getting a brookville quarter panel and welding the top half?? I love doing what you do and would love to be your student to get my head around characteristics of sheet metal 😊😊thanks
There is a link in the video description to the video where I patterned the original quarter panel. As far as using a brookeville roadster quarter on a coupe they are a lot different from one another .
@@cornfieldcustoms ok cool thanks buddy, I need all the help I can get , but I love to do it 😊
Nice 👍.....What steel alloy is used?
18 gauge cold roll steel
I would love to make A model body’s
👍
Could you use a French Curve to maintain a proper line?
sure you could, but that would be a slow process and less exact as the tape
Great Video. Great information. Thanks. Wray from Proshaper does a tape template. Did you ever try it that way. If so, why did you feel this is Better.
#STAYSAFE
#PHILLYPHILLY🇺🇸
I dont like the flexible shape pattern because it doesnt show you the path, or road map how to get to desired shape. you just stretching the metal up and until it fits the pattern. a lot more guess work that way. also they are for stretch based shape work and I work mostly in Shrink based shaping. I would have to cut the flexible shape pattern apart to lay out a flat pattern which is a waste of time, and tape when a paper pattern shows exactly what is needed where it is needed with no guess work
@cornfieldcustoms Thanks. Keep the Video coming. Love them a lot to learn.
#STAYSAFE
#PHILLYPHILLY🇺🇸
When's the next installment going to be or have I missed it
Should be getting back to this 1/4 in the next couple weeks
@@cornfieldcustoms thank you
Obsessive/Compulsive... great for work. Relationships, not so much. My life experience...lol.
@@BillyLeeWilson thats your experience. My wife and I have been happily married for 14 years
Anyone else go to the 5 D's of dogeball?
I'll say it's both boring and informative. You have some techniques that I wouldn't have employed. You have my attention.
Thank you
Great vid!
Thanks