I am a empty nester (without the syndrom😂) and I have chronic pain... so I use most of my time and sleepless (menopause) nights to study the Bible like my life depents on it... because it does. My husband is not a engourager in this earea. But I stay motivated. I love every detail that I can learn about my Creator/Father, Saviour and Comforter. I feel so blessed that I am able to explain the gospel... answering questions of friends... having a Biblical opinion about what's going on in this world... Sorry for my english... I am Dutch and live on an African island... so english is a little out of my system.
Having women theology and Bible professors at evangelical seminaries is so obviously scripturally wrong, I don't understand how people can fail to see that
The qualifications for the church office deacon include "husband of one wife". Words have a semantic range, and it takes context to understand the Greek word diakonos as to if meaning just servant or an ordained office. Unless you accept homosexual marriage, the office of deacon is male only. Older women ought teach younger women in an unofficial capacity. Asking if woman ought be theologians is stupid because every human is a theologian, even an atheist. The better question is:. Should they study theology, yes!
The qualifications passage aside, Paul does use the word translated "deacon" in reference to Phoebe in the closing chapter to the Romans. While that is not the word's sole possibility of meaning, it must be at least be considered and responded to, not ignored.
@@mikedspringstead5974 As you wrote, the word TRANSLATED deacon. Just as Apostle can be translated messenger and thus lose the contextual meaning. The fact remains we have clear specific REQUIREMENTS for the Church office called deacon and they include the husband of one wife. Unless you go with "trans" madness, that means no official women deacons. Now, unofficial is completely different as a servant. There is NO official position of a woman in the Church that puts her managing, teaching or ordering an adult man. As to the qqualifications passage aside...how can you set aside a specific clear passage in deference to modern sensibilities? Sorry, the modern Western Church is gynocentric and misandric like the world it apes. Laodicea rising.
@@mikedspringstead5974 She was a deacon, since a specific church is mentioned. _______________________________________________ I then thought it the more needful to get at the facts behind their statements. Therefore I placed two women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I found only a debased superstition carried to great lengths, so I postponed my examination, and immediately consulted you. -excerpt Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians about 111 A.D.
@@ApollosHagman_17 As a prof of medicine and biochem, I have GLADLY been corrected and learned medicine from many people (janitor, seamstress...) not qualified to practice medicine nor evacuate the entire science building at my college for the day running an experiment (oops). Despite their islands of understanding, you would NOT want them to be your physician. OF COURSE women can teach me theology, and they do; but never officially.
no one said a husband should read all his wife’s books first. They say Household authority includes the responsibility to not let her be influenced by false teachers. He can be aware of who she’s reading and listening to without always reading them. 🙄 That’s just spiritual leadership
Absolutely. I found it interesting when I heard one of the pastors say that women teaching other women will usurp the husband's authority, and we should [only] listen to our husbands. Sounds like they just usurped my husband's authority, being that they aren't my pastor/elder, and neither are they my husband. Of course, ultimately my husband is head over me, and he enjoys my learning, as well as us being able to sharpen one another. They're too far on that side of the ditch.
Anyone who says women can't teach women evidently haven't read the Book of Titus or Proverbs 31. "She has opened her mouth with wisdom, with loving instruction on her tongue." Proverbs 31:26 (NET) "Older women likewise are to exhibit behavior fitting for those who are holy, not slandering, not slaves to excessive drinking, but teaching what is good. In this way they will train the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, pure, fulfilling their duties at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the message of God may not be discredited." Titus 2:3-5 (NET)
Agreed, I am patriarchal and not complementarian nor egalitarian. OF COURSE women ought to learn and sober women of experience ought teach the younger. For reference, as a father began teaching my youngest daughter organic chemistry by the age of 8 (she is brilliant) and have encouraged learning in all my daughters and wife who routinely teach each other and in private, non official ay, me. This is not about capacity nor the preservation of male ego. This is about following the commands given to us by the Apostles in official settings. Unfortunately, the patriarchal movement is plagued by extreme idiots, I am NOT speaking of all.
The church of Jesus Christ is no place for secular views on the roles of men and women. Scripture must be the guide on any practice, and a high view of scripture. Women are not qualified to be pastors according to the New Testament. IF this goes against secular sensibilities or viewpoints, then so be it. We are to be Christ's Church as it is revealed in scripture. God does not change and neither does Holy Scripture.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
I think the argument for deaconesses is quite strong. There is a Biblical example that must be argued away. The natural parallel between older women and deacons suggests they would be a church role. And the historical argument for the office is strong as well. Especially outside those Baptist circles that are not Deacon-run instead of Elder-governed. In fact, imho, it is only that phenomenon in the American Church that muddies the water. There is no confessional issue. No prohibition in role, since Deacons are not a teaching office. And the historical evidence is overwhelmingly in favor, and from an early date.
When it comes to women pastors, the Apostle Paul says older women are to teach younger women, doesn't that imply that women can be pastors who minster exclusively to women? In the ancient church, minsters would take women deaconess with him when ministering to women to prevent anything untoward happening, why not bring back such a practice?
@@LevizGibson plenty of pastors have fallen into adultery via counseling women alone. women deacons were accompanying pastors in the ancient church to safeguard virtue, and to off-set any accusations of him meeting up for illicit sexual activity.
@@LevizGibson Yes, there are mentions of teams of men going out to evangelize. In both the Gospels and Acts. Do a word study on deaconesses in the collection of Church Fathers and you will find multiple mentions of deaconesses accompanying male pastors when administering to women, usually married ones.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
Of course women can be theologians. The husband being the head of the home and men being the Pastor of the church does not conflict with women learning the deep things of God's Word.
Would be nice for you to get on the podcast with Right Response Ministries instead of sub-tweeting Joel Webbon's very astute response about limiting what his wife wanted to read in that case. Minutes 12-16 in this podcast - just have to say respectfully disagree with most things said in that segment so far. Look at the times we are in, is it because we don't have learned enough women? Or is it because we have loud and un-submissive women? Do we see women model obedience, fathers and husbands lifted up and empowered? Yes, an over correction to having women have no learnedness towards core doctrine would be wrong - but this also hamstrings the depth of theological knowing there can be had in being the Oikos Despot by saying it's less important than time spent in the more meta-theological foundation. The Prov 31 woman did not get up in the morning to "study" - she went about deeds and was known AT the gates, but she wasn't in the gates discussing politics and theology.
Luke 10:39 kjv And she had a sister called Mary , which also sat at Jesus feet , and heard his word , Luke 10:42 But one thing is needful and Mary hath chosen that good part that shall not be taken away from her.
Yeah but She's at the feet of the LORD not a female led Bible study. Her teacher is the Lord Jesus. No one is saying women should not learn theology- they should they need it but taught by a man not by another female ( unless that female.is using the theology in a Titus two context ). Why is this so hard to get
Women rebelling against God and His word is SIN i dont understand the difficulty here..... it must be called out for what it is like every other sin 🙏✝️
This video would be a lot more valuable if you named the people you were talking about and interacted with some of their content. I don’t think Doug Wilson, Joel Webbon, Michael Foster, Aaron Renn, Eric Conn, Brian Sauve etc. would disagree with you on any of this. Just seems like they are willing to call it what it is: patriarchy.
I wish most men would examine some of the books their wives read. It would have eliminated the ennegram, all the be You garbage, and all these weak sentimental- semi feminism stuff that has enter the church.
I am sympathetic to the patriarchy movement but ultimately want scripture to be the ultimate and not allow my thinking to react too far in the wrong direction. After studying the scripture I believe women can be deacons, however, most churches are structured for deacons to almost be assistant pastors, if this is the case then women in those churches could not be deacons. I am also very sympathetic to the position that women cannot be deacons. One thing that seems clear to me in the broader context of scripture: creational ordering is not to be applied as if it is the mosaic law, ridged, very specific and binding. However, it is also very wrong to act like creational mandates in scripture are only to be applied in the church and ignored in every other area of life. I agree with everything these great men said, except for women allowed to be deacons.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@mikedspringstead5974 Deborah was over Barak. ________________________________________ Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Now she sent word and summoned Barak... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. -excerpt Judges 4 (below) Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...
@@user-iz8np3vv4i If you do not understand the difference between a Judge and a leader, I refer you to the original intent of the US founders, or practically any developed country, on the proper rule of the Judiciary. Right now Israel is fighting back the over reach of their judiciary.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po The word 'Judge' in the Book of Judges does not translate to modern English. Taken from my essay below: A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Phoebe is named as a Diakonosis in Romans. The question then is did Paul speak of an office, or broadly as a female servant. I think it's hard to say servant broadly. Because Paul has no problem using doulos for that.
She has openly said she was willing to go into obscurity after The Gospel Comes with a House Key in part because she did not want to be seen in undue authority. But her session asked her to continue writing because of her unique experience.
“We should be silent where the Bible is silent” They were just doing the opposite of that talking about women in certain roles not directly stated the Bible.
If “men of God” spent HALF the time and energy used to uphold “the do not permit” women verse (1 Tim 2:12- the only verse in the entire Bible that says that) to scrutinize the men that hold ANY biblical office to the MANY verses that outline leadership qualifications, the church would be healthier, and God would be truly glorified by both His male and female image bearers. Statistically, 95% of all reported abuse in the church are women 51% of PASTORS (men) report pornography being an issue for them One report said a women is more likely to be abused by church staff than she is being involved in a shooting. You congratulate yourself for “not permitting a women to teach or have authority over men, like that is first commandment. Police your own gender please… And let women submit of her own free will as an offering to God. After all, it is only submission if a woman chooses to do so. Being forced is coercion, which by they way is not God honoring
It always goes back to Deborah. She was a Judge, and therefore a pastor/shepherd, according to Chronicles. A Judge was cleared to teach as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy.
I am a empty nester (without the syndrom😂) and I have chronic pain... so I use most of my time and sleepless (menopause) nights to study the Bible like my life depents on it... because it does.
My husband is not a engourager in this earea. But I stay motivated. I love every detail that I can learn about my Creator/Father, Saviour and Comforter. I feel so blessed that I am able to explain the gospel... answering questions of friends... having a Biblical opinion about what's going on in this world...
Sorry for my english... I am Dutch and live on an African island... so english is a little out of my system.
No syndrom here either! Lol 😁 Keep up your studies! Good for you! Your a good example for the rest of us!
@@andyheller2691 ohhh Thank you so much.
Thank you for this thoughtful and biblical message. Dr. Ascol, you always seem to be the wise voice in the room!
Having women theology and Bible professors at evangelical seminaries is so obviously scripturally wrong, I don't understand how people can fail to see that
The qualifications for the church office deacon include "husband of one wife". Words have a semantic range, and it takes context to understand the Greek word diakonos as to if meaning just servant or an ordained office. Unless you accept homosexual marriage, the office of deacon is male only.
Older women ought teach younger women in an unofficial capacity.
Asking if woman ought be theologians is stupid because every human is a theologian, even an atheist. The better question is:.
Should they study theology, yes!
The qualifications passage aside, Paul does use the word translated "deacon" in reference to Phoebe in the closing chapter to the Romans. While that is not the word's sole possibility of meaning, it must be at least be considered and responded to, not ignored.
@@mikedspringstead5974 As you wrote, the word TRANSLATED deacon. Just as Apostle can be translated messenger and thus lose the contextual meaning. The fact remains we have clear specific REQUIREMENTS for the Church office called deacon and they include the husband of one wife. Unless you go with "trans" madness, that means no official women deacons. Now, unofficial is completely different as a servant. There is NO official position of a woman in the Church that puts her managing, teaching or ordering an adult man. As to the qqualifications passage aside...how can you set aside a specific clear passage in deference to modern sensibilities? Sorry, the modern Western Church is gynocentric and misandric like the world it apes. Laodicea rising.
@@mikedspringstead5974
She was a deacon, since a specific church is mentioned.
_______________________________________________
I then thought it the more needful to get at the
facts behind their statements. Therefore I placed two
women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I
found only a debased superstition carried to great
lengths, so I postponed my examination, and
immediately consulted you.
-excerpt Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians
about 111 A.D.
That’s like saying everyone is a Bible teacher because in some way we all learn from each other
@@ApollosHagman_17 As a prof of medicine and biochem, I have GLADLY been corrected and learned medicine from many people (janitor, seamstress...) not qualified to practice medicine nor evacuate the entire science building at my college for the day running an experiment (oops). Despite their islands of understanding, you would NOT want them to be your physician. OF COURSE women can teach me theology, and they do; but never officially.
As a woman, I LOVE this episode! And yes, the more I love theology and the scriptures, the more I joyfully do not want to be an elder.
Exactly dear.
Hugs❤
@@christislord1360others clearly do
no one said a husband should read all his wife’s books first. They say Household authority includes the responsibility to not let her be influenced by false teachers. He can be aware of who she’s reading and listening to without always reading them. 🙄 That’s just spiritual leadership
Absolutely. I found it interesting when I heard one of the pastors say that women teaching other women will usurp the husband's authority, and we should [only] listen to our husbands. Sounds like they just usurped my husband's authority, being that they aren't my pastor/elder, and neither are they my husband. Of course, ultimately my husband is head over me, and he enjoys my learning, as well as us being able to sharpen one another.
They're too far on that side of the ditch.
Anyone who says women can't teach women evidently haven't read the Book of Titus or Proverbs 31.
"She has opened her mouth with wisdom, with loving instruction on her tongue." Proverbs 31:26 (NET)
"Older women likewise are to exhibit behavior fitting for those who are holy, not slandering, not slaves to excessive drinking, but teaching what is good. In this way they will train the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, pure, fulfilling their duties at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the message of God may not be discredited." Titus 2:3-5 (NET)
Agreed, I am patriarchal and not complementarian nor egalitarian. OF COURSE women ought to learn and sober women of experience ought teach the younger. For reference, as a father began teaching my youngest daughter organic chemistry by the age of 8 (she is brilliant) and have encouraged learning in all my daughters and wife who routinely teach each other and in private, non official ay, me. This is not about capacity nor the preservation of male ego. This is about following the commands given to us by the Apostles in official settings. Unfortunately, the patriarchal movement is plagued by extreme idiots, I am NOT speaking of all.
@@marthaj67 says there.....to teach the younger women.
The church of Jesus Christ is no place for secular views on the roles of men and women. Scripture must be the guide on any practice, and a high view of scripture. Women are not qualified to be pastors according to the New Testament. IF this goes against secular sensibilities or viewpoints, then so be it. We are to be Christ's Church as it is revealed in scripture. God does not change and neither does Holy Scripture.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i You are a heretic, and your views do not belong here! Share your sophistry with the gullible, not here.
Thank you pastor
I think the argument for deaconesses is quite strong. There is a Biblical example that must be argued away. The natural parallel between older women and deacons suggests they would be a church role. And the historical argument for the office is strong as well. Especially outside those Baptist circles that are not Deacon-run instead of Elder-governed. In fact, imho, it is only that phenomenon in the American Church that muddies the water. There is no confessional issue. No prohibition in role, since Deacons are not a teaching office. And the historical evidence is overwhelmingly in favor, and from an early date.
Can y'all boost the audio volume for us old people.
When it comes to women pastors, the Apostle Paul says older women are to teach younger women, doesn't that imply that women can be pastors who minster exclusively to women? In the ancient church, minsters would take women deaconess with him when ministering to women to prevent anything untoward happening, why not bring back such a practice?
That makes no sense it would then put him in an "untoward" position with her...
@@LevizGibson plenty of pastors have fallen into adultery via counseling women alone. women deacons were accompanying pastors in the ancient church to safeguard virtue, and to off-set any accusations of him meeting up for illicit sexual activity.
@@jonathankotyk3075 Or like what is evidenced in the Bible. Two men going together!?
@@LevizGibson Yes, there are mentions of teams of men going out to evangelize. In both the Gospels and Acts.
Do a word study on deaconesses in the collection of Church Fathers and you will find multiple mentions of deaconesses accompanying male pastors when administering to women, usually married ones.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
Of course women can be theologians. The husband being the head of the home and men being the Pastor of the church does not conflict with women learning the deep things of God's Word.
Would be nice for you to get on the podcast with Right Response Ministries instead of sub-tweeting Joel Webbon's very astute response about limiting what his wife wanted to read in that case. Minutes 12-16 in this podcast - just have to say respectfully disagree with most things said in that segment so far. Look at the times we are in, is it because we don't have learned enough women? Or is it because we have loud and un-submissive women? Do we see women model obedience, fathers and husbands lifted up and empowered? Yes, an over correction to having women have no learnedness towards core doctrine would be wrong - but this also hamstrings the depth of theological knowing there can be had in being the Oikos Despot by saying it's less important than time spent in the more meta-theological foundation. The Prov 31 woman did not get up in the morning to "study" - she went about deeds and was known AT the gates, but she wasn't in the gates discussing politics and theology.
💯 I mean most of the reformed women I know learned that reformed theology by men and not women's Bible studies
Luke 10:39 kjv And she had a sister called Mary , which also sat at Jesus feet , and heard his word , Luke 10:42 But one thing is needful and Mary hath chosen that good part that shall not be taken away from her.
Yeah but She's at the feet of the LORD not a female led Bible study. Her teacher is the Lord Jesus. No one is saying women should not learn theology- they should they need it but taught by a man not by another female ( unless that female.is using the theology in a Titus two context ). Why is this so hard to get
@@pebelstaveras8352 no problem that was just for naysayers
Who are they talking about on Twitter that are saying women shouldn't learn theology?
Women rebelling against God and His word is SIN i dont understand the difficulty here..... it must be called out for what it is like every other sin 🙏✝️
Read Luke 10:39-42
@@debbiekling6065 yer i don't understand your point? Yes Martha sat at Jesus feet where all godly women should sit 🙏✝️
@@debbiekling6065 I'm not right but Gods word is inerrant 🙏✝️🤗
This video would be a lot more valuable if you named the people you were talking about and interacted with some of their content.
I don’t think Doug Wilson, Joel Webbon, Michael Foster, Aaron Renn, Eric Conn, Brian Sauve etc. would disagree with you on any of this. Just seems like they are willing to call it what it is: patriarchy.
I wish most men would examine some of the books their wives read. It would have eliminated the ennegram, all the be You garbage, and all these weak sentimental- semi feminism stuff that has enter the church.
I am sympathetic to the patriarchy movement but ultimately want scripture to be the ultimate and not allow my thinking to react too far in the wrong direction. After studying the scripture I believe women can be deacons, however, most churches are structured for deacons to almost be assistant pastors, if this is the case then women in those churches could not be deacons. I am also very sympathetic to the position that women cannot be deacons. One thing that seems clear to me in the broader context of scripture: creational ordering is not to be applied as if it is the mosaic law, ridged, very specific and binding. However, it is also very wrong to act like creational mandates in scripture are only to be applied in the church and ignored in every other area of life. I agree with everything these great men said, except for women allowed to be deacons.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
BTW, no idea where your essay is at.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po
If you sincerely want a study it can be pasted up.
I don't like to argue back and forth though. It wastes
my time.
Let me know.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i If you paste it, I will read. However as per your unwillingness to engage further, I might not comment. Shalom
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po
I'm open to discussing these matters.
Essay is next.
Deborah did NIT lead Israel. Barak the coward led and nevertheless he, not Deborah is in Hebrews 11.
I wrote a short and free essay on Deborah.
She was the Judge over Israel at this point in time,
so not sure what you are saying.
Barak led the army. Deborah was a judge for the people.
@@mikedspringstead5974
Deborah was over Barak.
________________________________________
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Now she sent word and summoned Barak...
-excerpt Judges 4 (above)
She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won.
-excerpt Judges 4 (below)
Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...
@@user-iz8np3vv4i If you do not understand the difference between a Judge and a leader, I refer you to the original intent of the US founders, or practically any developed country, on the proper rule of the Judiciary. Right now Israel is fighting back the over reach of their judiciary.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po The word 'Judge' in the Book of Judges does
not translate to modern English.
Taken from my essay below:
A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time.
The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as
King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet.
God ruled Israel through the Judges.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Also:
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Isn't there a place in the new testament that makes reference to both deacons and deaconesses?
Phoebe is named as a Diakonosis in Romans. The question then is did Paul speak of an office, or broadly as a female servant.
I think it's hard to say servant broadly. Because Paul has no problem using doulos for that.
@@shawngillogly6873 is a Diakonosis a position of authority or one of influence?
I would love to hear Rosaria Butterfield thoughts on all this
She has openly said she was willing to go into obscurity after The Gospel Comes with a House Key in part because she did not want to be seen in undue authority. But her session asked her to continue writing because of her unique experience.
I'm not all that convinced men should be "theologians", either.
“We should be silent where the Bible is silent” They were just doing the opposite of that talking about women in certain roles not directly stated the Bible.
If “men of God” spent HALF the time and energy used to uphold “the do not permit” women verse (1 Tim 2:12- the only verse in the entire Bible that says that) to scrutinize the men that hold ANY biblical office to the MANY verses that outline leadership qualifications, the church would be healthier, and God would be truly glorified by both His male and female image bearers.
Statistically, 95% of all reported abuse in the church are women
51% of PASTORS (men) report pornography being an issue for them
One report said a women is more likely to be abused by church staff than she is being involved in a shooting.
You congratulate yourself for “not permitting a women to teach or have authority over men, like that is first commandment.
Police your own gender please…
And let women submit of her own free will as an offering to God. After all, it is only submission if a woman chooses to do so.
Being forced is coercion, which by they way is not God honoring
It always goes back to Deborah. She was a Judge, and therefore
a pastor/shepherd, according to Chronicles. A Judge was cleared
to teach as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy.
If you only submit once you agree, you’re not submitting at all. The idea authority is anti-Christian is silly