Correction: A pressure differential is required for something to be crushed underwater. So because Noah is filled with water in the fish-man district, It technically cannot be crushed by water pressure regardless of how deep below sea it is. So the comparison to submarines is not valid (But it is still obviously a strong ship)
nah I don't think so I think a Luffy vs Hashirama would take day to night but I cant really say there gonna fight I think they will talk and be friends instead and that what people always miss about anime battle like Naruto vs Luffy other will say Naruto have Kurama bla bla bla Luffy have this and that bla bla bla but I think they will just go and eat ramen and meat and this thing works to other characters in the anime multiverse
Regardless of how this battle goes all I can say is that the beginning would be epic. Luffy would walk towards the 5 Hokage and let out an immediate blast of Conqueror's Haki, the 5 Hokage will feel that tingling sensation and immediately know they aren't dealing with a scrub.
Other detractors will try to say "Kizaru isn't lightspeed" or something because it doesn't match "real world physics" and would be "impossible". Even though there is no lightspeed character in fiction that matches physics perfectly nor does it being impossible in the real world matter because characters do impossible things all the time in One Piece. Thats literally the point of the series.
I feel like the teleportation resistance that haki gives them is more of a devil fruit ability resistance than it is a teleportation resistance. Writing it off entirely is sort of necessary for some of these fights, but I think it warrants consideration. Like at least an asterisk or something.
Honestly even if you gave it to them, you would have to realize that luffy is much faster than them, add future sight in the mix and teleporting becomes more of a detriment than a plus. He would know when and where they would appear and what they would try to do. He is fast enough to counter anything they would try with teleportation so again. It wouldn't work.
@@arealrelic luffy faster than minato? man you trippin remember haku was stated to be light speed and kid sasuke was able to hit him and his sharingan wasnt even activated now scale that up to teen sasuke with 3 tomoe sharingan and he was almost on par with raikage and raikage want even fast enough for the yellow flash and plus yellow flash (minato) was able to teleport turn his back catch the truthseeking orb without him touching it and the time was slowed even 8th guy was slowed and he was still able to do that making him faster than 8th gate might guy who was able to bend spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I agree. Haki won't stop Minato or tobirama from teleporting luffy. However, I highly doubt the hokage know about the water weakness. And if luffy is in Boundman, he can just fly
@@AstroPeezy minato can just seal him that will work because luffy has no chakra meaning minato doesnt have to sacrifise anything not like the kurama incident
Luffy has FTL speeds pre timeskip as well lmao. He Pre timeskip was able to dodge noro noro beams which are photons. He was also dodging pacafista beams and was able to barely react to kizaru although it was barely and he was on guard. He also scales relative to/above Zoro who was able to dodge paw paw projectiles from Kuma which is air repelled at LS speeds
The Photon Beams were not light speed or anywhere close. It was stated by the user of the beams that the Beam massively slows down the more it travels.
@@thegamerdude3363 stop the cap. He said it massively slows down things it hits, not when it travels. Also the photons reflect light off of mirrors so rlly
@@jibby6969 Oda never stated that, read right. Oda said that he would had to duck at LS while he was comedy talking. There was no real facts or ype there. Besides, if I am not wrong, the question was meant to answer what will someone of us have to do or something like that.
@@moonl8536 what are her kingly ambitions? She didn’t even want to be hokage and is a gambling addict. The only thing going for her is senju lineage which has nothing to do with mental ability.
@@moonl8536 she is also so vain that she constantly uses chakra to maintain a youthful appearance, she has a very weak will and has horrible feats compared to luffy
Luffy devil fruit is so stupidly powerful even without the gear 5 that giving it to quite literally ANYONE ELSE WITH A BRAIN will instantly create a god
One more little addition to the Tsuyu poison thing post time skip Luffy has an even more extreme poison resistance do too megellan and the hormonal treatment that ivankov gave him.
Well that was detailed and it was surprising that 2nd hokage wouldn’t be able to take on luffy and I would be surprised if he was fast enough to flood him but I knew luffy would win against other 4
Water is not a realistic weakness to the strongest DF users, like these mfs literally spend 80% of their lives on WATER lol trust me they aren't worried about it.
If you’re still planning on doing a team battle for Luffy against Naruto and Sasuke, I think Law would be a better choice over Zoro, as he’s not only comparable to Zoro in his own right(for the time being) but he has far more in common with Sasuke from a power and thematic standpoint.
True cause zoro is stronger than sasuke but sasuke has more abilities dat zoro can't deal with dats why zoro would lose but if law fought sasuke it would be more of a fifgt
Luffy bodies them in the worst way. None of them can stand up to his speed, strength, durability, and precognition. With how strong current Luffy is now he could very likely knock them out with Conqueror's Haki.
hashirama has all 5 chakra natures, and ninjas are not so stupid enough to attack with all force, they will usually use shadow clones to analyze the fight
I agree that Luffy is far far stronger and counters most of their abilities, but im pretty sure the teleport Minato uses will work on luffy. Haki cancels out devilfruits specifically, not teleportation, thats why Law couldnt teleport them and theres no equalization in this. If they somehow could get to luffy and teleport they could cheese him. I still believe luffy beats them though as hes just way WAY faster and he can see the future if they try to do so.
1. How would Minato even know that the devil fruit weakness is water and 2. Laws devil fruit gave him teleportation. Haki cancel out the teleportation so therefore he should be able to cancel Minato tp
@@givthademon2817 1. It's a hypothetical situation. In an actual battle Minato wouldnt figure that out as he'd already be dead by the time he had a chance to. Outside information isnt allowed in vs battles but again it's a hypothetical situation. If minato somehow figured it out he could teleport a devilfruit user to their deaths. 2. That's because laws devilfruit specifically is a devilfruit. Haki cancels out devilfruit abilities specifically, not abilities in general. To say otherwise shows clear bias.
@@givthademon2817 Bro why all yall act like minato a bum I mean if we taking the best luffy then take war arc minato with the Kurama cloak which can amplify defense to a cathaclism level with just 1 tail, I mean luffy aint doing nun after that, nun of his attacks even close to mountain level
@@YngNgaHisoka bro luffy was mountain level pre-timeskip 💀. Current luffy has large planetary AP and is over 10x the speed of light. It's not a close fight at all, I was just correcting a mistake from steinixos
@@xdrago1051 1.That was 3 weeks ago, no one cares so stop being childish and stfu 2.He was MAYBE ship level but nowhere near palnetary even post timeskip and especially not light speed
The thing you are forgetting is that The Reaper death seal is a god, you only see it after you are touched by it. Second, Tobirama fought his entire life against Uchiha prediction power, he also has a excellent showing agains Jubirada and was the inventor of shadow clone, and as you said, one limb under water is not debilitating but full body immersion is different story. Tobirama has the best chance of figuring out this weakness and exploiting it. Katakuri could see the future but complex plans like BIg Mon's assassination attempt passed over his head. Tobirama win condition is putting Luffy into a water prison jutsu and he has both the divercity, experience and resumê to pull it off.
“Katakuri could see the future but complex plans like BIg Mon's assassination attempt passed over his head. ” It didn’t pass over his head, it’s more that what he saw he couldn’t prevent (ie. Luffy destroying the wedding cake). If anything Katakuri caught on to the plan to destroy Mama Carmel’s photo in quick time.
Its quite old but whatever. Ninja cant produce enough body of water via jutsu alone to submerge luffy unless they are fighting near a body of water i.e river or sea. And even if thats the case i havent seen any water jutsu that is fast enough to even catch base luffys speed let alone g2 and up and even if tobirama can flood the ground luffy have g4 that can fly. Idk how tobirama can beat luffy. Water prison wont work since observation haki will help luffy see through it.
In a all vs him I think it would be a mid difficulty win with a 1 in 20 win rate, I'm a on Luffy's side and a OP fan over Naruto but I think with perfect teamwork they could occasionally pull a win (they would have to seal him) and you have 2 members who can spam seals all over to teleport all over the place and all the other 3 need to do is hold Luffy in place for no more than 1 second for Mina to rush in and seal him
Luffy is so fast compared to them that even if you said would come to truth ( which is very unlikely to happen) when minato teleports in front of luffy he would have so much time to react and stop him from doing it not to mention he can see the future and figure out what they are trying to do to him and fight according to that they are glass cannon so a well placed hit from luffy would be certain ko or death
Depending on how fast Luffy actually kills them or knocks them out ,they might not get the chance to pull something like that off , if someone like Minato goes down second or first then it’s pretty much over
Healers? Idk what you just said there but if you meant get distracted by tsunade because she can heal when he hits her I am 100% sure that hit would be a very light hit from him for her to survive. In conclusion she gets one shorter and gets no time to heal.
@@aramalqestoma1450 unless he popped her head like a grape she isn't staying down after a hit, remember her ability stays active once turned on so she doesn't need time to heal herself, all she really needs is to be in one piece and since when does Luffy rip people limb from limb? So no.
4:58 wait I thought you said no equalization between Chakra and haki laws teleportation is a devil fruit ability so strong haki would nullify it but Minatos flying raijin isn't a devil fruit ability so he could still teleport luffy
@Baby7k okay but yall tell me this so you gonna give minato info on luffy and his weaknesses but not luffy on minatos seems biased to me so to make it fair no one gets info on anyone therefore minato dont know about luffy's weakness
Yeah the teleportation should work on luffy, maybe. What if it requires the victim of minato’s teleportation to have chakra? Then it wouldn’t work at all. If it did, how would they know about luffy’s weakness to water? They would have most likely tried to hit him with every jujitsu and tijitsu they have in their arsenal. Luffy wouldn’t stand there and let them hit him. He would dodge all of them. Telling the hokage that these attacks can hurt luffy. Also luffy isn’t going to allow them to teleport him more then once. He will be surprised the first time but after that he will actively avoid the teleportation.
Minato teleportation jutsu would not work with someone without a chakra capacity, even if it does a strong haki resist powers just like teleportation or soul manipulation etc. It hasn't been stated in one piece manga that "haki only affect df abilities" it doesn't even stated that "strong haki affects df powers" I haven't seen those statements anywhere in the manga you narutards are delusional as ever.
They are both in a situation where equalisation is used and I think Steinixos did this to satisfy other scenarios despite his dislike for equalisation. I am saying this because how would we know Minato’s teleportation even works on people without chakra? Also how are we’re gonna straight up tell Minato that Luffy is weak to water a small bit? And how are we gonna do that but not tell Luffy that this would be Minato’s strategy? By doing all of that we are putting many burdens on Luffy which is already done in the video with the overestimated hokages and underestimated Luffy.
People arguing for df users weakness to water tend to ignore the fact that the other Verse needs to know this specific weakness of df which is complete bs then you need to disclose the weakness of all the participants involved which doesn't make any sense and most people arguing doesn't even mention and secondly for all we know onepiece water is special and disrupts the df users and water in other Verses is just plain old water for df users
Your research is great but: 1. Strong Haki makes you immune from the Ope Ope No Mi's forced teleportation. Haki is used a plot device to limit an overpowered DF. It never stated it stops all forced teleportation in general. 2. It has been stated that despite Luffy's strong Buso, it wasn't good at blocking sharp objects; like Hordy Jones uncoated regular teeth or Cracker's Haki coated sword. So Luffy's Buso is not a counter argument. He can be cut with or without Haki
But law's teleportation is a general force teleportation..... And for your second point, steinixos never said luffy can't be cut when his armament is on. He's just saying it's really strong. And let's be real non of the hokage including naruto has anything sharp that can cut or pierce luffy. The only things they got that can hurt luffy are energy attacks. 🤷♂️
@@akadenanderson3283 Law's fruit is specific, not general. That is a literal fact. And you admitted that Luffy can be cut so at least we agree on that.
@@kagelynx you can only cut through haki with superior haki ie zoro vs pica. Since no one in Naruto has haki. Therefore they can’t cut Luffy except maybe with energy attacks. Then again, Luffy can tank kaidos blast breath face up
5:08 I’m pretty sure u said in one of your other videos that haki ≠ chakra, so in that case why does haki counter minato teleportation. If genjutsu doesn’t work on one piece characters because they don’t have chakra, then haki shouldn’t be able to counter jutsu
Genjustu don’t work on One Piece characters because they don’t have chakra. You have to have chakra in order for genjustu to work on them stated in the manga. He wasn’t saying that to give One Piece characters an advantage. It was clearly stated in the manga so it’s fair
@@baconboy-roblox1840 if we’re gonna do that for genjutsu then why does haki affect flying raijin teleportation? It’s not a devil fruit power, haki wouldn’t hv any affect
@@eleqtrax9711 my bad bro i don’t even know what he was talking about that part. He could be talking about Law’s op op devil fruit but that different from Naruto. Tbh idk
@@princedame9534 there is actually a meta for that. Basically, Juubito can scale to planetary, and Madara, after gaining strength on par when he was alive, was looking to take Juubito out. If you think he's just stronger, then Hashirama should scale to that, and if you don't agree with planetary Luffy, then Hashirama wins. Although, that's personally a little too spicy for me, but go ahead with it if you wanna
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu Luffy planetary? LMFAOO Do people actually believe that? Ima start my One Piece journey again very very soon because this is getting ridiculous
@@princedame9534 I mean, it's not too insane. If people were saying something like "star level", that's when I'd say it's out of hand. But if planetary is, at the very least, plausible
ok im not gonna argue cause i argued on someone else vid and got swarmed for like over a week and im still not sure if its over but u said haki and chakra arent gonna be equalized and then u say that devil fruits which haki counters are equal to ninjutsu cause u said haki can stop a tp from a DEVIL FRUIT so ur saying that haki can counter chakra which would only be true if chakra was devil fruits which u never said u were equalizing also im not arguing for hashirama but im pretty sure bringer of darkness nullifies all senses u can smell hear see taste feel not ever the non main ones like pain
Let me correct one of your errors. Yes, madara's light fang DOES move at the speed of light, but he did miss naruto's head and then moved his neck to hit naruto with it, which he predicted and dodged. That does not make naruto's reaction fasterthan light at that point in time.
It is not an error that “some naruto fans think that Naruto and all high level ninja in naruto should be scaled to FTL because naruto dodged the light fang”. If you want to debate with the naruto fans who do think naruto did dodge the light fang rather than just Madara moving his head, then go ahead. But I’m not the one making either of these claims. All I did was merely point out a prevalent claim that is made by some members of the naruto community (which is even promulgated by some well known naruto youtubers)
@@Naruto.m ok… burter from dragon ball z said that he is the fastest being in the universe. Krillin from the buu arc could easily speed blitz burter. Just because someone said haku can move at the speed of light doesn’t actually mean he can move at the speed of light. If that were the case then why was naruto dodging the light fang a feat??? It should have been able to been done by kakashi or Sakura during the war arc If light speed was a common reaction speed for shinobi
@@Jon_Fury the statement for Haku was made in a Data book. Neither Kakashi or Sakura are said to be stronger than Haku at the time, which is why a nerfed Haku can react to war Arc Kakashi. But the main thing I wanted to say was the statement of Haku being light speed was from a data book, not a random statement made by a nobody
@@Zenustu_Sentinal gotcha, thought it was just a rumor a fan made. Like how people randomly starting saying saitama can punch with half of the force of the Big Bang. Which was never stated at the time nor at this time
I like your videos, but I think you are now being biased. You’ve missed sooooo many points it’s laughable. You’re not including his intelligence, his sealing jutsu, and his sage mode lol. Very sus. Luffy beats every Kage except Naruto, Hashirama, and Minato.
@@baconboy-roblox1840 u and the person that made the video lol a lot of things was not addressed but made sure to address all of OP feats and abilities
One character I will say that would fair in a physical melee woth jo weapons alright is Neji, because Gentle fist can also act like a blade. Not saying he would win but it's something to note Also note that Luffy was basically placed under visual genjutsu on wholecake (the book thing)and while not 100% helpless, he couldn't actually see the real attackers (probably not using haki as he should but the point remains)
1. Neji is so weak that his arms would break in a clash and luffys haki would stop him from getting cut 2. Genjutsu wouldnt work the same with the book thing since you need someone to have chakra to put them into genjutsu and luffy doesnt have chakra so thats out of the picture
@@michaelwilliams4024 of devil fruit powers yes, since we aren't equalizing this doesn't auto succeed against the seals, and without evidence to the contrary we cannot assume haki could break it.
@@yigitcanozmen9531 @Yiğitcan Özmen yes and no, I didn't say Neji could get through his haki, was implying base df he could easily handle, might not even notice the difference. And Genjutsu is unlikely to work on Luffy as it's Chakra based. For it to work we would need to equalize, which would allow haki to work for breaking out of seals which is honestly worse for them than it is Luffy, because it also means haki could break the genjutsu.
I feel like the representation of the Naruto verse was undersold here. Luffy wins is speed for sure, but there are alot of other arguments that can be made about the other points.
Luffy could with observation haki pre cognize the teleprotation but also it's easy for Tobirama to use clones and outnumber Luffy and create too much water cause each clone can generste water. Luffy's haki wouldnt resist the seal after it's tagged him but will make it.impossible to tag him with it. Cause haki resists devil fruits only not chakra based attacks.
@@NICO.DCRUZE data book clearly states Haku is light speed and kakashi with no chakra at 12 was able to cut a lighting bolt in half b4 it touched the ground calc is light speed if not above and this is early pt1
@@sbthesage2100 don't use the databook to scale because it is very inconsistent and inaccurate. The main purpose of the book is to hype up your favorite characters.
Haku wasn't trying at all when he was using crystal ice mirrors, nor was he moving at full speed. The only time he uses his full speed in part 1 was when he sensed Zabuza was about to die and literally blitzed Kakashi mid Raikiri after Kakashi started moving to Zabuza but before Kakashi could even react More evidence is that a nerfed, Edo Haku on part two did the same thing and blitzed even a much stronger, much faster war arc Kakashi's even stronger/faster Raikiri with his ice mirrors. For reference, V1 Ay and Killer B were only considered 'near' light speed in the Databook, and Ay in V2 which up scales from 'near' light speed is considered to be = to Minato speed wise in everything besides teleportation speed So you'd basically be arguing that Part 1 Naruto that fought Haki is faster than the 4th Raikage, Minato, KCM1 Naruto etc
Then you say he can’t teleport him but you’re not gonna equal out chakra and haki through the universes that’s just picking and choosing and the teleportation that was being used was from a devil fruit not just regular teleportation from chakra
@@theoallen1036 sagemode can't see seconds into the future. But it does do emotion sensing and seeing the world around you. and buffs reactions by a bit.
Seal this, water that……. Although there are arguments that directly counter those statements I am just gonna say it *sigh* they all get speed blitzed and one shotted the moment they see Luffy if they even end up being able to see him in the first place.
Haki counters teleportation when it's caused by a DF, because haki is the force of will, and force of will negates DF powers. Haki doesn't counter teleportation itself.
Minato has advanced forms of rasengan, he can definitely hurt luffy and disintegrate him, plus he can trap him to perform the soul seal, minato is literally as fast as light.
Having obs haki doesnt mean you can dodge the attacks. Luffy won vd Katakuri, one of the strongest obs users by overwhelming him by speed. Minato is infinitely faster than luffy, observation won't help him in this matchup.
@@gogon7394 minato isnt light speed. He does't "move" to his kunai, he teleports to it literally. Teleportation is infinite speed. Once he has his mark on someone it's game over. And minato is a genius who oversmarted even obito. If he wants to put a mark on luffy he will.
hashiramas wood statue is about 100 times larger than an average sized mountain and made the 9 tail (who is larger than a colossal titan) look tiny. Nothing luffy can do could even scratch that one jutsu
@@viz2y there is one complete different thing he didn't take into account making this video, the one piece planet isn't earth and has proof of being scaled to larger than our sun, the actual maths makes alabasta bigger than the moon and on the map dress rosa and alabasta are about the same size and luffy leveled dress rosa when he was just trying to hit doffy, please don't ask me for the maths because it requires picture evidence but i will say that a small lake in alabasta was 50k, and alabasta is shown to not even be a big island on the one piece map, so therefore luffy is at least medium planetary, luffy may not scale close to that size himself but in 3rd gear he can take it down one shot.
@@rjthunder1763 I only stuck to things that we have the facts for. Like surume and sea kings size are confirmed. And fish man islands population is confirmed
Luffy is not beat Hashirama let alone all kage in a 1v5 you could make a case for the 2nd nd 3rd hokage aswell if we knew more about them in their prime and their jutsu
dude watch the dam video and if u did can u fucking debunk him before just baselessly saying he cant. he is literally giving clear explanations on why luffy beats all 5 kage 1v1 or 1v5
he is only using the info he can find. if u say we dont know more about them in their prime he cant do anything about it. he is only using the information he can
He beats Hashirama as well. Hashirama is slower than Luffy, doesn’t hit as hard, and is far less durable. You clearly don’t read One Piece. Current Wano Luffy would stomp Hashirama. Hashirama literally couldn’t do anything to him.
The teleportation part for the fourth Hokage. Strong Haki can help counter against Devil Fruit abilities so would the teleportation technique be negated as it has a different power source?
@@exqusite I could create an entire PowerPoint with slides showing how it's easy to back up. Look up 10 tails tailed beast bomb. Then understand that a Tailed beast is more powerful when sealed inside a jinchuriki. In fact rewatch Naruto vs the reanimated jinchuriki and tell me Luffy deals with that with a straight face (Minato in his strongest form also has full control of the dark half of kurama so similar things to Naruto in that video
@@hororangihika8449 yeah it will. In his tailed beast mode level 2 Naruto casually smacked away 5 tailed beast bombs to save Guy and Kakashi from point blank range at the last second. So with that being said that wouldn't do shit to Minato. Luffy being nika or having strong haki won't save him from Minato spamming tailed beast bombs at Luffy from a mile away and turning him into dust. Reread the manga panel of Hashirama Shinsusenju and you will see that it would absolutely turn Luffy to paste. Stop fapping
i dont think you understand that tobirama and minato dont use the same teleportation technique as law. When law tries to teleport someone some other rules most probably apply that wouldnt apply to jutsus. thats pretty obvious especially since you dont equalize the worlds
That whole anti-teleport with Haki doesn't work here. Law stated in a more recent chapter that strong haki counterworks Devil Fruit powers, so the reason why he couldnt teleport BM or Kaido was because their haki countered his devil fruit ability. Minato's teleportation does not rely on devil fruit powers, so Haki would not work.
Agreed, too bad the procog and massive speed difference would most likely prevent minato from ever safely planning the seals though. Not to talk less on how he'd randomly know luffy is weak to being submerged in stagnant water
luffy cannot be hurt by physical brute force attacks, unless the attack is on a large scale enough. For example, a bomb can hurt luffy because it's large enough unlike a cannon ball just get bounced back. It's just about the scale of the attack. Hashirama wood punch can even nerf to explosion of Nine tails bijuu dama(all coated with susanoo blade btw). Luffy need to dodge them or get annihilated, punch or not.
Bro keeps bringing up feats part 1 naruto did in like the first 2 arcs kid sasuke is literally enerus level considering he basically can hold an eneru in his hand not saying he wins just saying light and lightning is part 1 naruto level not end of war arc level
@@NICO.DCRUZE Not once did I mention chakra or what it does all I brought up were the feats if you’re referring to Sasuke using chakra to create his attack not only is that Irrelevant it doesn’t help your argument at all bc the attack is not only lighting it’s self it’s used to cut other lighting bolts in half b4 they can reach the ground meaning yes kid sasuke is not only faster than lighting he can hold it in his hand also narutard is such a weird word considering I’ve read both manga and watched both anime so I love them both no bias here
@@donovan4668 it was but it dosent matter bc you have to be a certain speed to use the jutsu and when kakshi did this the jutsu was still new kinda like when sasuke first started using it also data books are valid for both series as if there’s no outright contradiction of mangas material then it’s words can be considered fact
definitely underplayed the life outta the kage. Minato, Tobirama, and hashirama all scale to light speed characters. Minato cut a mountain buster with a kunai. Tobirama is one of the most hyped up water style users, so he should be able to recreate kisame´s water bubble. Tobirama and Hashirama spent their whole lives fighting a race of precognition users and won. luffy has been shown to be weak against illusions at every turn so he would definitely be affected by genjutsu. Lastly hashirama can fight all day and night with no rest but if luffy is pushed to use gear 4 and can't close he´ll lose because there´ll be no plot for a recharge.
@@sarveshnathan7559 In Wano he was effected by a sound based attack on gaurd so why wouldn't it work. Also Ceasar hit Katakuri and Oven with hallucination gas when he can see the future as well.
I agree with the conclusion but a few flaws here and there. The 1st one being, that if luffy is in a water prison or submerged like what tobirama did, he's completely done, ain't no 2 ways around it, you seem to be ignoring the bubbles around him when he's fighting tsurume and hordy, which i'm not sure why. I agree that won't happen, but if it did luffy's done, he's completely paralyzed and Secondly, you seem to be ignoring how strong Hashirama's wood could be. you brought up haki defending against steel but Hasirama's wood is far stronger than steel. It would help your arguement if actually expanded on the defenses of those 2. Because saying Haki can beat steel, as the primary argument for why Hashirama can't pierce him is not enough evidence. Kimimaro's bones are harder than steel and Hashirama completely steamroles him without the gundam. Definitely need to expand on that. Once again, I agree with the conclusions but the arguement is flawed.
You Bring up water prison but it still wouldn't matter if he could see it coming so that's out of the picture but I see what U mean with the steal part but even then Luffy is still much much faster and would see it from a mile away
@@hororangihika8449 Again, I still agree with him. I just think there are some flaws in his argument. Luffy still is faster stronger and he'd probably turn the wood into rubber with gear 5.
Good Break down video / you keep forgetting Naruto don’t have to explains like the One Piece does when coming to certains feats that have been explained through the story & im disagree Every Kage has way of beating Luffy , you comparing the Enemies Luffy faced , To the Kage who has more movesets then all the Enemy Especially Tsunade with her Strength Luffy not Immune to Physical as well . He has high tolerance . Minato Battle iQ would most definitely play a factor on taking Luffy out . As well Rasenga hurts you on a Cellular level , flying Thunder God will be everyone & plus he can label him . The 2nd Hokage has more then Water lol like huh?! His fought Tail beast whose attacks are stronger then Gear 2nd Luffy . You gotta touch in more with the feats . I understand you’re One Piece fan you not even getting full info on the Kage techniques . It’s you’re Opinion & you’re Comparing series . 1st Hokage Will is above Luffy too
Only Rasenshuriken damages on a cellular level. Regular Rasengan can be made stronger and bigger but does not have any special characteristics unless infused with elements.
Wano Luffy bodies in the worst way possible. He has observation haki, which if you don't already know allows him to see enemies behind objects/walls/buildings/trees etc, sense invisible enemies, tell how strong his enemies is, predict enemies next moves, and on top of all that Luffy can even see up to 10sec into the future. He can coat himself in invisible armour that is strong enough to tank sword slices that split meteors clean in half. He also has durability negation via Ryou where he can send his haki into you whereby destroying your organs from the inside. He has conquerors which renders the hokages animal summons useless. He can even coat his attacks in conquerors so that he doesn't even have to physically touch you to do damage. Luffy is also absurdly faster than the hokage and more durable. He beats all 1v1 and mid diffs them 1v5.
He would be too fast for tsunade to slow to keep up you would need to be mftl to even keep up with Luffy let alone win he would donut he before she could process he even moved
Luffy slaps all of them in a 1v5 wtf and did you just say tsunade beats luffy lmao luffy can literally lay down while tsunade beats on him and she wont be able to do anything
I hateeeeee that advanced armament argument byakugan seals chakra point which also does damage to your internal organs which was stated by kakashi but these same attacks are being neged by early naruto and is used by fused momoshiki and isn’t even effecting base naruto such a poor argument
I don't think he can fight all 5 if minato is there minato and hashirama duo would be crazy but he legit blitzes all except minato and hashirama tho he could beat both in a 2v1 just not all 5 at the same time they would go crazy. Even tho he can beat all hokage in a 1v1 except naruto.
First of all devil fruits weakness come from Pyrobloin which is ever present in One Piece world's sea so water jutsu or sea water would not have the same effect as the sea water of the One Piece world. Secondly Steinixos never talked about senjustu as it is the power of nature and is able deal damage to six paths level characters in naruto so it should be effective to some degree with dealing damage to haki users. Also haki only hardens/entangles non physical energy so Chakra should be able to used in a similar manner unless you believe that haki is unique to One Piece verse.
I think Hashirama would be the only one that could beat Luffy with certain ease but that would only happen if he took Luffy very seriously from the very first moment and if Luffy underestimated him a lot. The rest could have good openings but Luffy could handle them with his advanced observation haki
You can’t say that teleportation is not a strategy cause these are two different versus so minato could teleport Luffy but okkk. And you said waves don’t do anything to DF users like be fr but we all know reanimated might guy washes both versus
if the beam was light speed and pts luffy doged it with ez then ig kizaru isnt even that fast.... i dont think pst luffy can doge kizaru at light speed but whole cake luffy might so i dont think the beam was light speed i think it was close.
I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think he can do. It matters what is shown on screen. Mind telling me how a laser beam isn’t the speed of light?
I'm sorry but this is the worst scaling from anyone ive seen. Hasiramas statues punch would 100 do damage to luffy. Your comparing a resting dinosaur skull to a punch moving at massively high speeds not even considering the ap and dc of these characters
I’m not gonna argue all your points cause make some good points but the speed scaling for the naruto characters especially minato is egregious literally beginning of series characters like haku have been stated to be faster than light naruto in the books with no enhancements from chakra was dod light beams and naruto isn’t even a speedster compared to minato and you’re saying characters like minato who’s one of the fastest characters to date isn’t compared to luffy is a bit wild and you didn’t even give him the nine tails cloak which he got at the end of his life and has feats with it
If Luffy is faster then speed of light that means he can dodge anything that slower than speed of light, right? Then why tf is he still getting his ass kicked by dude with a zombie baseball bat?
Your take on teleportation is completely wrong. Law himself said in Chapter 1068 that he learned from Big Mom and Kaido that Haki can negate DEVIL FRUIT abilities not Teleportation itself. Hashiramas wood is also easily a lot harder than steal. It was able to Rip apart a perfect Susanoo that is way stronger than steal. The punches of the 1000 Arms revertable Canon are as strong as Medium sized Biju Bombs the Idea that the kraken in One Piece comes even close to this kind of Power is laughable lmao.
minato in fact could teleport luffy the only reason strong haki can cancel law's teleportation is because its his df ability it doesnt apply to all forms of teleportation edit alr second problem with the video so far you say early op luffy tanks rasengans because they does even have building sized craters yet have an entire video dedicated to attack potency edit2 kizaru and enel are not better examples of light or lightning speed feats than everything in naruto we know kid kakashi is at least lightning speed when he cut a literal lightning bolt in half with chidori now this isnt a better feat than dodging a lightning attack from enel but it is at least as good as that and better than enel traveling as literally lightning since kid kakashi had to be faster than lightning and for light speed we have statements as early as haku being light speed since his jutsu makes him reflect from one ice mirror to the other at light speed which was stated and darui who's jutsu i forgot the name of but its something laser circus which is stated to be light speed as well and the attack madara did against naruto who dodged it which you mention might guy moving fast enough to warp space minato having reaction speed enough to teleport in front of that attack and teleport away are all at least as good as kizaru's base line speed of light edit3 all it says is that rain has no effect on a df user in fact it says the if just the limbs are submerged in water it gets easier than if say more of there body was in water so yes if tobirama were to hit him with a water dragon and it covered luffys body he would get weakened until after he was no longer submerged or mostly covered in water and once again luffy is not immune to teleportation unless its df based and the person has much weaker haki than him 3.5 luffy can get caught off guard we have seen this happen to him and several people who have observation haki so no it is not impossible for tobirama or minato to land a hit on luffy because of observation it may be more unlikely but not impossible edit 4 you say luffy is blatantly faster than all of the hokage but you give no real proof of that at all really final thoughts an alright video clearly a few leaps in judgment and providing no actual information on how fast strong or durable aside from saying hashirama and tsunade could take a few hits aside from luffy who you gave some but not really good scaling for like if i didnt know what one piece was and wasnt familiar with who kizaru is i would have to assume luffy stomps him since he's made of light and the lasers luffy dodged were based off of his which makes no sense to anyone who knows how strong kizaru is compared to ts luffy but other than that he did a decent explanation of their move sets but also ignore any and all strategies that the hokage could use such as tobirama using water prison having minato going close enough to luffy and swapping places with each other completely submerging him in water or hey maybe you forgot luffy almost never jumps to gear 4th and wouldnt be flying around so its possible tobirama floods the battle field first or smth idk either way alright video in terms of move set info gathering(even if you contradict yourself slightly sometime) and explanation for why you think luffy wins
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣For all the hokage to get beaten even more easily. Even if naruto with baryon mode in there, the hokages are no where near close to naruto's power to really be a threat to luffy. So at the end it would be luffy vs naruto.
Many Naruto characters have shown to be ftl especially if we talk about top tiers and I have love for both but this debate will always be stupid because the bias starts to show and one side gets downplayed heavily it’s uninteresting to watch blatant lies be told about the characters if u watch both animes and read the mangas these fights could actually be interesting yet really it goes on to jerk off luffy sad sight
Kaguyas dimensions are parallel universes and she was going to destroy and recreate one of thos dimensions in one full power attack. That's easily planetary. Even if you want to ignore anything saying or implying it's a parallel universe there is still a star in it so it's still planetary. Just cause we didn't see it happen doesn't mean it can't despite the guy who's been around for thousands of years and seen Kaguyas power first hand saying so.
@@brolylook662 (Not to be disrespectful) 1. With that kind of logic I could say king from (one punch man) could beat deep sea king just because I didn't see king fight deep sea king doesn't mean he could win against king. 2. Tbh a star in the dimension provides nothing because unless they show how big the sun is compared to the earth or I don't know let kaguya destroy the sun or something.
@@iv2joshuamaraj475 That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that just because a character doesn't actually do a feat that they've been said in multiple sources they could doesn't mean they can't do that feat. Kaguya was stated in a serious setting that she would destroy her universe and we even see her about to do so. Just because she got beat before she did it doesn't mean everything said before is invalidate. Statements matter when the character is reliable and Black zetsu is. This is different form king who we haven't seen do anything until it's revealed he's just really lucky and not strong.
@@brolylook662 I don't think the both characters are not that different at all but one in the same in some aspects, for example in multiple sources king is described as a powerful hero that surpasses everyone besides blast same thing can be said for kaguya. Kaguya is also stated by multiple sources to be the mother of chakra and more powerful than hagaromo but still got beaten at the end. Both are Powerful due to plot/luck the only difference is kaguya lost due to lack of "luck/plot" and King is winning because of his"plot/luck". I don't think statements in Naruto doesn't matter as much because in the Naruto world it has been established that people manipulate and twist the truth of their information about thier objectives all the time especially black zestu who mind you lied to everyone? why should I trust his statements?
@@iv2joshuamaraj475 What is zetsu gonna do, lie to himself lol. Zetsu is trustworthy in this statement. You literally have no reason to say it wouldn't happen except you don't wanna believe it. Additionally unlike king we see kaguya doing what is said. She gets beat before she can follow through for sure but she still is clearly doing the action. King is literally all statements while kaguya is biologically a God. Those two characters aren't comparable. Heck, we know that kaguya creates her dimensions for a fact so it makes even more sense she can destroy them.
Tsunade would be worthless Luffy can keep up with Minato with G2 or snakeman, plus future sight G5 would render Hashirama's wood style useless The only TRUE threat would be Tobirama because of water style
@@BigBallsLover6969 Luffy is a Zoan with an ability of a Logia. Unlike any other Zoan with a new form by awakening. Luffy got a new form and he can alter and control the field like a Logia.
@@50shadesofhappinessoffilip33 I wouldn't say logia since they cant alter someone else's body like gear 5 can. Plus he changing the ground and the lighting bolt is more in line with what Katakuri or Doffy did, since all three have to make contact with something to alter it with their awakening.
@@tyjairchambers8183 Luffy is the only one who can affect the opponent body. Logia can alter their body ,like Katakuri , Aokiji , Caribou and literally every Logia was shown to alter their body
Correction: A pressure differential is required for something to be crushed underwater. So because Noah is filled with water in the fish-man district, It technically cannot be crushed by water pressure regardless of how deep below sea it is. So the comparison to submarines is not valid (But it is still obviously a strong ship)
Ofc it is strong just look at it
nah I don't think so I think a Luffy vs Hashirama would take day to night but I cant really say there gonna fight I think they will talk and be friends instead and that what people always miss about anime battle like Naruto vs Luffy other will say Naruto have Kurama bla bla bla Luffy have this and that bla bla bla but I think they will just go and eat ramen and meat and this thing works to other characters in the anime multiverse
@@Balls-w1w thts not the point of a vs
I know I just want to mess with you guys
Can you make a hunter hunter vs one piece video
Regardless of how this battle goes all I can say is that the beginning would be epic. Luffy would walk towards the 5 Hokage and let out an immediate blast of Conqueror's Haki, the 5 Hokage will feel that tingling sensation and immediately know they aren't dealing with a scrub.
Indeed
Then hashirama and tobirama lift their pinky and blow luffy away
True
5th hokage: I’ll hit you really hard
Luffy: ok
5th: I’ll electrify you
Luffy: go ahead
5th: I have poison
Luffy: I’m Immune though
Tsunade: I have womanly charm.
Luffy: I don't care. (Plus he got Boa Hancock, not a fair fight)
Talk about hard countered to the nth degree.
Other detractors will try to say "Kizaru isn't lightspeed" or something because it doesn't match "real world physics" and would be "impossible". Even though there is no lightspeed character in fiction that matches physics perfectly nor does it being impossible in the real world matter because characters do impossible things all the time in One Piece. Thats literally the point of the series.
Yeah I didn’t even bother addressing that point because it’s honestly too silly. Real word physics obviously can’t always be applied to anime.
@@Pandemonk No he doesn't lol. You're just upset.
@@Pandemonk Great, can you name some examples so we can discuss them further?
@@Steinixosthen you should try to put real world physics in you video go off what we can all see in the anime’s
@@aizaunlowe494 where tf did u get that from y must he do it let me guess so that the hokage can win
The video is very well made, i love it!
I literally use to argue pre ts Luffy vs sannin so this is just right up there . Good analysis 💯
Thats actually arguable aswell
I feel like the teleportation resistance that haki gives them is more of a devil fruit ability resistance than it is a teleportation resistance. Writing it off entirely is sort of necessary for some of these fights, but I think it warrants consideration. Like at least an asterisk or something.
i was thinking the same thing
Honestly even if you gave it to them, you would have to realize that luffy is much faster than them, add future sight in the mix and teleporting becomes more of a detriment than a plus. He would know when and where they would appear and what they would try to do. He is fast enough to counter anything they would try with teleportation so again. It wouldn't work.
@@arealrelic luffy faster than minato? man you trippin remember haku was stated to be light speed and kid sasuke was able to hit him and his sharingan wasnt even activated now scale that up to teen sasuke with 3 tomoe sharingan and he was almost on par with raikage and raikage want even fast enough for the yellow flash and plus yellow flash (minato) was able to teleport turn his back catch the truthseeking orb without him touching it and the time was slowed even 8th guy was slowed and he was still able to do that making him faster than 8th gate might guy who was able to bend spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I agree. Haki won't stop Minato or tobirama from teleporting luffy. However, I highly doubt the hokage know about the water weakness. And if luffy is in Boundman, he can just fly
@@AstroPeezy minato can just seal him that will work because luffy has no chakra meaning minato doesnt have to sacrifise anything not like the kurama incident
Luffy has FTL speeds pre timeskip as well lmao. He Pre timeskip was able to dodge noro noro beams which are photons.
He was also dodging pacafista beams and was able to barely react to kizaru although it was barely and he was on guard.
He also scales relative to/above Zoro who was able to dodge paw paw projectiles from Kuma which is air repelled at LS speeds
The Photon Beams were not light speed or anywhere close. It was stated by the user of the beams that the Beam massively slows down the more it travels.
@@thegamerdude3363 stop the cap. He said it massively slows down things it hits, not when it travels. Also the photons reflect light off of mirrors so rlly
@@jibby6969 It is not light speed seen when Luffy was not even able to keep up with Enel who is just lightning speed.
@@luisrosales2856 oda stated enels lightning to be LS + why use different versions of Luffy to scale later versions of Luffy
@@jibby6969 Oda never stated that, read right.
Oda said that he would had to duck at LS while he was comedy talking. There was no real facts or ype there. Besides, if I am not wrong, the question was meant to answer what will someone of us have to do or something like that.
I guess Luffy can spam Tsunade with lvl.1 Conqueror Haki is because she still has PTSD for bloodshed that took her a lifetime to recover.
Yeh she does have a weak will
No
@@NICO.DCRUZE no she does not
@@moonl8536 what are her kingly ambitions? She didn’t even want to be hokage and is a gambling addict. The only thing going for her is senju lineage which has nothing to do with mental ability.
@@moonl8536 she is also so vain that she constantly uses chakra to maintain a youthful appearance, she has a very weak will and has horrible feats compared to luffy
Im from Brazil do CP9/CP0 vs Akatsuki
Luffy devil fruit is so stupidly powerful even without the gear 5 that giving it to quite literally ANYONE ELSE WITH A BRAIN will instantly create a god
Fr , even without the gear 5 a smart person can body anybody
One more little addition to the Tsuyu poison thing post time skip Luffy has an even more extreme poison resistance do too megellan and the hormonal treatment that ivankov gave him.
After G5, its a walk in the park.
Even before
Before g5 it’s a walk in the park
Well that was detailed and it was surprising that 2nd hokage wouldn’t be able to take on luffy and I would be surprised if he was fast enough to flood him but I knew luffy would win against other 4
Water is not a realistic weakness to the strongest DF users, like these mfs literally spend 80% of their lives on WATER lol trust me they aren't worried about it.
If you’re still planning on doing a team battle for Luffy against Naruto and Sasuke, I think Law would be a better choice over Zoro, as he’s not only comparable to Zoro in his own right(for the time being) but he has far more in common with Sasuke from a power and thematic standpoint.
They are similar but law’s power is too hax. I’d have to give sasuke resistance to being chopped into two for their to be a match
@@Steinixos Literally, he’d just chop their hands off so they couldn’t build chakra or make hand signs. Over like that 😂
True cause zoro is stronger than sasuke but sasuke has more abilities dat zoro can't deal with dats why zoro would lose but if law fought sasuke it would be more of a fifgt
@@Steinixos Sasuke has extremely powerful chakra, so law wouldn't be able to do that. That is reserved for fodders.
Luffy can't even beat naruto by himself. Let alone sasuke and naruto simultaneously LMFAOO. Mid piece fans are re7arded
Luffy bodies them in the worst way. None of them can stand up to his speed, strength, durability, and precognition. With how strong current Luffy is now he could very likely knock them out with Conqueror's Haki.
Well I do think Hashirama would not be knocked out by conquerors haki
@@Steinixos Depends on how strong Luffy's will is in comparison. But out of fairness I would agree with you. Still think Luffy wins with ease though.
hashirama has all 5 chakra natures, and ninjas are not so stupid enough to attack with all force, they will usually use shadow clones to analyze the fight
Tombirama floods the field with water game over I love luffy more than them but he can’t take this one hokages hax takes this clearly
@@donovansmith227 Dude...do you even read One Piece? You do understand thats not going to work right?
Luffy wins 1v1 easily but it might be little challenging if he was fighting all of them at once,but he wins either way
How when literally no attack works on him?
@@ajfoster1894 Maybe few cutting attacks might do some damage
@@blackcatpirates8134 how can they reach him if he’s that much faster?
@@ajfoster1894 Yeah that's why this is not a fair fight
@@blackcatpirates8134 ya lol
17:51 another thing you didn’t mention is the fact that genjutsu wouldn’t do jack since luffy would need Chakra in his brain for it to work
I agree that Luffy is far far stronger and counters most of their abilities, but im pretty sure the teleport Minato uses will work on luffy. Haki cancels out devilfruits specifically, not teleportation, thats why Law couldnt teleport them and theres no equalization in this. If they somehow could get to luffy and teleport they could cheese him. I still believe luffy beats them though as hes just way WAY faster and he can see the future if they try to do so.
1. How would Minato even know that the devil fruit weakness is water and 2. Laws devil fruit gave him teleportation. Haki cancel out the teleportation so therefore he should be able to cancel Minato tp
@@givthademon2817
1. It's a hypothetical situation. In an actual battle Minato wouldnt figure that out as he'd already be dead by the time he had a chance to. Outside information isnt allowed in vs battles but again it's a hypothetical situation. If minato somehow figured it out he could teleport a devilfruit user to their deaths.
2. That's because laws devilfruit specifically is a devilfruit. Haki cancels out devilfruit abilities specifically, not abilities in general. To say otherwise shows clear bias.
@@givthademon2817 Bro why all yall act like minato a bum I mean if we taking the best luffy then take war arc minato with the Kurama cloak which can amplify defense to a cathaclism level with just 1 tail, I mean luffy aint doing nun after that, nun of his attacks even close to mountain level
@@YngNgaHisoka bro luffy was mountain level pre-timeskip 💀. Current luffy has large planetary AP and is over 10x the speed of light. It's not a close fight at all, I was just correcting a mistake from steinixos
@@xdrago1051 1.That was 3 weeks ago, no one cares so stop being childish and stfu
2.He was MAYBE ship level but nowhere near palnetary even post timeskip and especially not light speed
Great video I enjoyed it.
The amount of downplay for luffy here and overestimation for the other characters makes me think Steinixos is a Naruto fan when he isn’t 😭.
DOWNPLAY is crazy
get a life brotha
The thing you are forgetting is that The Reaper death seal is a god, you only see it after you are touched by it. Second, Tobirama fought his entire life against Uchiha prediction power, he also has a excellent showing agains Jubirada and was the inventor of shadow clone, and as you said, one limb under water is not debilitating but full body immersion is different story. Tobirama has the best chance of figuring out this weakness and exploiting it. Katakuri could see the future but complex plans like BIg Mon's assassination attempt passed over his head. Tobirama win condition is putting Luffy into a water prison jutsu and he has both the divercity, experience and resumê to pull it off.
“Katakuri could see the future but complex plans like BIg Mon's assassination attempt passed over his head. ”
It didn’t pass over his head, it’s more that what he saw he couldn’t prevent (ie. Luffy destroying the wedding cake). If anything Katakuri caught on to the plan to destroy Mama Carmel’s photo in quick time.
Its quite old but whatever.
Ninja cant produce enough body of water via jutsu alone to submerge luffy unless they are fighting near a body of water i.e river or sea. And even if thats the case i havent seen any water jutsu that is fast enough to even catch base luffys speed let alone g2 and up and even if tobirama can flood the ground luffy have g4 that can fly. Idk how tobirama can beat luffy. Water prison wont work since observation haki will help luffy see through it.
@@AR-en6qx fr
Uchiha prediction is not the same as future sight. Also luffy punched a tsunami which is water wouldn't he just do that when fighting tobirama?
Trying to call future sight a "prediction ability" is a joke
In a all vs him I think it would be a mid difficulty win with a 1 in 20 win rate, I'm a on Luffy's side and a OP fan over Naruto but I think with perfect teamwork they could occasionally pull a win (they would have to seal him) and you have 2 members who can spam seals all over to teleport all over the place and all the other 3 need to do is hold Luffy in place for no more than 1 second for Mina to rush in and seal him
Luffy is so fast compared to them that even if you said would come to truth ( which is very unlikely to happen) when minato teleports in front of luffy he would have so much time to react and stop him from doing it not to mention he can see the future and figure out what they are trying to do to him and fight according to that they are glass cannon so a well placed hit from luffy would be certain ko or death
Depending on how fast Luffy actually kills them or knocks them out ,they might not get the chance to pull something like that off , if someone like Minato goes down second or first then it’s pretty much over
@@gwendellaugello7372 true true, only way they stay in it is if he focuses the healers
Healers? Idk what you just said there but if you meant get distracted by tsunade because she can heal when he hits her I am 100% sure that hit would be a very light hit from him for her to survive. In conclusion she gets one shorter and gets no time to heal.
@@aramalqestoma1450 unless he popped her head like a grape she isn't staying down after a hit, remember her ability stays active once turned on so she doesn't need time to heal herself, all she really needs is to be in one piece and since when does Luffy rip people limb from limb? So no.
Luffy just split the sky in the manga?!? That’s it’s that punch made the damn sky clear in the anime.
The effect was the same in both versions
@@marqusmedina5983 correction. The heavens
4:58 wait I thought you said no equalization between Chakra and haki laws teleportation is a devil fruit ability so strong haki would nullify it but Minatos flying raijin isn't a devil fruit ability so he could still teleport luffy
@Baby7k okay but yall tell me this so you gonna give minato info on luffy and his weaknesses but not luffy on minatos seems biased to me so to make it fair no one gets info on anyone therefore minato dont know about luffy's weakness
@Baby7k also luffy can just run on water nothing is stopping him from doing so
Yeah the teleportation should work on luffy, maybe. What if it requires the victim of minato’s teleportation to have chakra? Then it wouldn’t work at all. If it did, how would they know about luffy’s weakness to water? They would have most likely tried to hit him with every jujitsu and tijitsu they have in their arsenal. Luffy wouldn’t stand there and let them hit him. He would dodge all of them. Telling the hokage that these attacks can hurt luffy. Also luffy isn’t going to allow them to teleport him more then once. He will be surprised the first time but after that he will actively avoid the teleportation.
Minato teleportation jutsu would not work with someone without a chakra capacity, even if it does a strong haki resist powers just like teleportation or soul manipulation etc. It hasn't been stated in one piece manga that "haki only affect df abilities" it doesn't even stated that "strong haki affects df powers" I haven't seen those statements anywhere in the manga you narutards are delusional as ever.
They are both in a situation where equalisation is used and I think Steinixos did this to satisfy other scenarios despite his dislike for equalisation. I am saying this because how would we know Minato’s teleportation even works on people without chakra? Also how are we’re gonna straight up tell Minato that Luffy is weak to water a small bit? And how are we gonna do that but not tell Luffy that this would be Minato’s strategy? By doing all of that we are putting many burdens on Luffy which is already done in the video with the overestimated hokages and underestimated Luffy.
People arguing for df users weakness to water tend to ignore the fact that the other Verse needs to know this specific weakness of df which is complete bs then you need to disclose the weakness of all the participants involved which doesn't make any sense and most people arguing doesn't even mention and secondly for all we know onepiece water is special and disrupts the df users and water in other Verses is just plain old water for df users
Your research is great but:
1. Strong Haki makes you immune from the Ope Ope No Mi's forced teleportation. Haki is used a plot device to limit an overpowered DF. It never stated it stops all forced teleportation in general.
2. It has been stated that despite Luffy's strong Buso, it wasn't good at blocking sharp objects; like Hordy Jones uncoated regular teeth or Cracker's Haki coated sword.
So Luffy's Buso is not a counter argument. He can be cut with or without Haki
But law's teleportation is a general force teleportation..... And for your second point, steinixos never said luffy can't be cut when his armament is on. He's just saying it's really strong. And let's be real non of the hokage including naruto has anything sharp that can cut or pierce luffy. The only things they got that can hurt luffy are energy attacks. 🤷♂️
@@akadenanderson3283 Law's fruit is specific, not general. That is a literal fact.
And you admitted that Luffy can be cut so at least we agree on that.
@@kagelynx I don't know what you mean that his fruit is specific not general.... Explain what you mean.
@@kagelynx you can only cut through haki with superior haki ie zoro vs pica. Since no one in Naruto has haki. Therefore they can’t cut Luffy except maybe with energy attacks. Then again, Luffy can tank kaidos blast breath face up
@@xxdemisucksxx Hody Jones without Haki bit through Luffy's buso remember. Luffy specifically stated that. So you are wrong.
Good video.
5:08 I’m pretty sure u said in one of your other videos that haki ≠ chakra, so in that case why does haki counter minato teleportation. If genjutsu doesn’t work on one piece characters because they don’t have chakra, then haki shouldn’t be able to counter jutsu
Genjustu don’t work on One Piece characters because they don’t have chakra. You have to have chakra in order for genjustu to work on them stated in the manga. He wasn’t saying that to give One Piece characters an advantage. It was clearly stated in the manga so it’s fair
@@baconboy-roblox1840 if we’re gonna do that for genjutsu then why does haki affect flying raijin teleportation? It’s not a devil fruit power, haki wouldn’t hv any affect
@@eleqtrax9711 it’s the observation haki that allows characters to see the future. That’s what he mean by it won’t work on Luffy
@@baconboy-roblox1840 5:06 listen carefully bro
@@eleqtrax9711 my bad bro i don’t even know what he was talking about that part. He could be talking about Law’s op op devil fruit but that different from Naruto. Tbh idk
5:00 how does haki stop a chakra based jutsu, i dont understand
Ig there both teleportation Hax that's why but even if he did U would have to find out if it could even work on someone without haki
@@hororangihika8449 haki negates devil fruit powers not chakta
@@enronko not stated anywhere but okay
@@hororangihika8449 newest chapter
@@enronko uh I c I haven't read it yet so I wouldn't know
Only reason this is a debate is because Hashirama is actually pretty comparable to Luffy
You mean luffy is comparable to the second hokage. Hashirama stomps the verse
@@princedame9534 there is actually a meta for that. Basically, Juubito can scale to planetary, and Madara, after gaining strength on par when he was alive, was looking to take Juubito out. If you think he's just stronger, then Hashirama should scale to that, and if you don't agree with planetary Luffy, then Hashirama wins.
Although, that's personally a little too spicy for me, but go ahead with it if you wanna
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu Luffy planetary? LMFAOO
Do people actually believe that? Ima start my One Piece journey again very very soon because this is getting ridiculous
@@princedame9534 I mean, it's not too insane. If people were saying something like "star level", that's when I'd say it's out of hand. But if planetary is, at the very least, plausible
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu How is luffy planetary under any scaling?
ok im not gonna argue cause i argued on someone else vid and got swarmed for like over a week and im still not sure if its over but u said haki and chakra arent gonna be equalized and then u say that devil fruits which haki counters are equal to ninjutsu cause u said haki can stop a tp from a DEVIL FRUIT so ur saying that haki can counter chakra which would only be true if chakra was devil fruits which u never said u were equalizing
also im not arguing for hashirama but im pretty sure bringer of darkness nullifies all senses u can smell hear see taste feel not ever the non main ones like pain
Let me correct one of your errors.
Yes, madara's light fang DOES move at the speed of light, but he did miss naruto's head and then moved his neck to hit naruto with it, which he predicted and dodged.
That does not make naruto's reaction fasterthan light at that point in time.
It is not an error that “some naruto fans think that Naruto and all high level ninja in naruto should be scaled to FTL because naruto dodged the light fang”.
If you want to debate with the naruto fans who do think naruto did dodge the light fang rather than just Madara moving his head, then go ahead.
But I’m not the one making either of these claims. All I did was merely point out a prevalent claim that is made by some members of the naruto community (which is even promulgated by some well known naruto youtubers)
Dude literally Haku was stated to be faster than light and kid Naruto was fast enough to hit haku and beat him
@@Naruto.m ok… burter from dragon ball z said that he is the fastest being in the universe. Krillin from the buu arc could easily speed blitz burter. Just because someone said haku can move at the speed of light doesn’t actually mean he can move at the speed of light. If that were the case then why was naruto dodging the light fang a feat??? It should have been able to been done by kakashi or Sakura during the war arc If light speed was a common reaction speed for shinobi
@@Jon_Fury the statement for Haku was made in a Data book. Neither Kakashi or Sakura are said to be stronger than Haku at the time, which is why a nerfed Haku can react to war Arc Kakashi. But the main thing I wanted to say was the statement of Haku being light speed was from a data book, not a random statement made by a nobody
@@Zenustu_Sentinal gotcha, thought it was just a rumor a fan made. Like how people randomly starting saying saitama can punch with half of the force of the Big Bang. Which was never stated at the time nor at this time
Luffy has a type advantage against government type pokemon
I like your videos, but I think you are now being biased. You’ve missed sooooo many points it’s laughable. You’re not including his intelligence, his sealing jutsu, and his sage mode lol. Very sus. Luffy beats every Kage except Naruto, Hashirama, and Minato.
He beats every one of them. Stop downplaying op characters just because naruto is fav
Lol bro did you even watch the video completely or at least paid attention. Luffy’s observation haki could see through them hokages
@@baconboy-roblox1840 lol wat he clearing beimg baised not even funny
@@Jogomakeit who biased?
@@baconboy-roblox1840 u and the person that made the video lol a lot of things was not addressed but made sure to address all of OP feats and abilities
One character I will say that would fair in a physical melee woth jo weapons alright is Neji, because Gentle fist can also act like a blade. Not saying he would win but it's something to note
Also note that Luffy was basically placed under visual genjutsu on wholecake (the book thing)and while not 100% helpless, he couldn't actually see the real attackers (probably not using haki as he should but the point remains)
1. Neji is so weak that his arms would break in a clash and luffys haki would stop him from getting cut 2. Genjutsu wouldnt work the same with the book thing since you need someone to have chakra to put them into genjutsu and luffy doesnt have chakra so thats out of the picture
But now we know that the affects of that can be taken away with strong haki
@@michaelwilliams4024 of devil fruit powers yes, since we aren't equalizing this doesn't auto succeed against the seals, and without evidence to the contrary we cannot assume haki could break it.
@@yigitcanozmen9531 @Yiğitcan Özmen yes and no, I didn't say Neji could get through his haki, was implying base df he could easily handle, might not even notice the difference.
And Genjutsu is unlikely to work on Luffy as it's Chakra based. For it to work we would need to equalize, which would allow haki to work for breaking out of seals which is honestly worse for them than it is Luffy, because it also means haki could break the genjutsu.
@@alexanderhacker6977 I said it for the also note part not the neji part
I feel like the representation of the Naruto verse was undersold here. Luffy wins is speed for sure, but there are alot of other arguments that can be made about the other points.
he doesn't when
kuramas height should have gone with him when he was split since he's chakra that takes the form of a fox
And a guy was arguing with me that whitebeard loses to hashirama 💀
💀💀💀
wb in his old slashes him
@@Luffy-yt5cv Exactly, Old Whiteheads literally has a Multi-Continential feat.
@@thegamerdude3363 he’s planet. His fruit is stated to be able to destroy the world by Sengoku
That fight will not go down how you guys think it will, there is too much factors that go in there hasharama will literally decimate everything.
@@faith4657 bruh think wood vs earthquakes 😂😂it's so obvious who wins stop meat riding Naruto characters
Luffy could with observation haki pre cognize the teleprotation but also it's easy for Tobirama to use clones and outnumber Luffy and create too much water cause each clone can generste water.
Luffy's haki wouldnt resist the seal after it's tagged him but will make it.impossible to tag him with it. Cause haki resists devil fruits only not chakra based attacks.
Clones get one tapped
Naruto was faster than light in the first arc and this guy is bringing up the Madara scaling 😂
And we’re is the feat I gotta see it cause I’ve watch Naruto and didn’t see tat lol
@@NICO.DCRUZE data book clearly states Haku is light speed and kakashi with no chakra at 12 was able to cut a lighting bolt in half b4 it touched the ground calc is light speed if not above and this is early pt1
@@NICO.DCRUZE not saying luffy is slow btw
@@sbthesage2100 don't use the databook to scale because it is very inconsistent and inaccurate. The main purpose of the book is to hype up your favorite characters.
Haku wasn't trying at all when he was using crystal ice mirrors, nor was he moving at full speed. The only time he uses his full speed in part 1 was when he sensed Zabuza was about to die and literally blitzed Kakashi mid Raikiri after Kakashi started moving to Zabuza but before Kakashi could even react
More evidence is that a nerfed, Edo Haku on part two did the same thing and blitzed even a much stronger, much faster war arc Kakashi's even stronger/faster Raikiri with his ice mirrors.
For reference, V1 Ay and Killer B were only considered 'near' light speed in the Databook, and Ay in V2 which up scales from 'near' light speed is considered to be = to Minato speed wise in everything besides teleportation speed
So you'd basically be arguing that Part 1 Naruto that fought Haki is faster than the 4th Raikage, Minato, KCM1 Naruto etc
Then you say he can’t teleport him but you’re not gonna equal out chakra and haki through the universes that’s just picking and choosing and the teleportation that was being used was from a devil fruit not just regular teleportation from chakra
Sage mode basically is the same thing as observation haki.
Same thing for sharingan but let’s be honest none of them can be so advanced to where they become future sight like Luffy’s actual observation haki.
@@aramalqestoma1450 how can u prove that ?
@@theoallen1036 sagemode can't see seconds into the future. But it does do emotion sensing and seeing the world around you. and buffs reactions by a bit.
Bro said no equalizer then continued to say yea the ability that stops df can stop chakra okey this is not bias 😅😅😅
Seal this, water that……. Although there are arguments that directly counter those statements I am just gonna say it *sigh* they all get speed blitzed and one shotted the moment they see Luffy if they even end up being able to see him in the first place.
The teleportation thing is a DF thing. But you said no verse equalization but you are doing that.
Haki counters teleportation when it's caused by a DF, because haki is the force of will, and force of will negates DF powers. Haki doesn't counter teleportation itself.
Minato has advanced forms of rasengan, he can definitely hurt luffy and disintegrate him, plus he can trap him to perform the soul seal, minato is literally as fast as light.
Having obs haki doesnt mean you can dodge the attacks. Luffy won vd Katakuri, one of the strongest obs users by overwhelming him by speed. Minato is infinitely faster than luffy, observation won't help him in this matchup.
@@chebichevinovichskic Minato is lightspeed if youre being generous, base Luffy right after ts called speed of light slow my son.
@@gogon7394 minato isnt light speed. He does't "move" to his kunai, he teleports to it literally. Teleportation is infinite speed. Once he has his mark on someone it's game over. And minato is a genius who oversmarted even obito. If he wants to put a mark on luffy he will.
@@chebichevinovichskic teleport is not speed it's hax. Once he comes out of his teleport he will get one shotted
From what I’ve gathered. It’s like comparing 6 paths naruto against the 5 kage, luffy stomps
Haven't seen the vid but he most definitely can
hashiramas wood statue is about 100 times larger than an average sized mountain and made the 9 tail (who is larger than a colossal titan) look tiny. Nothing luffy can do could even scratch that one jutsu
@@viz2y Luffy is planetary,also Hashirama is Continental not Mountain lvl lol. You are underestimating both luffy and Hashirama
@@viz2y Why would he need to attack the statue when he can just attack Hashirama directly? lol.
@@viz2y there is one complete different thing he didn't take into account making this video, the one piece planet isn't earth and has proof of being scaled to larger than our sun, the actual maths makes alabasta bigger than the moon and on the map dress rosa and alabasta are about the same size and luffy leveled dress rosa when he was just trying to hit doffy, please don't ask me for the maths because it requires picture evidence but i will say that a small lake in alabasta was 50k, and alabasta is shown to not even be a big island on the one piece map, so therefore luffy is at least medium planetary, luffy may not scale close to that size himself but in 3rd gear he can take it down one shot.
@@rjthunder1763 I only stuck to things that we have the facts for. Like surume and sea kings size are confirmed. And fish man islands population is confirmed
kurama is 300 meters easy right then scale to that these mountains should be 200 plus meters
Luffy is not beat Hashirama let alone all kage in a 1v5 you could make a case for the 2nd nd 3rd hokage aswell if we knew more about them in their prime and their jutsu
dude watch the dam video and if u did can u fucking debunk him before just baselessly saying he cant. he is literally giving clear explanations on why luffy beats all 5 kage 1v1 or 1v5
he is only using the info he can find. if u say we dont know more about them in their prime he cant do anything about it. he is only using the information he can
He beats Hashirama as well. Hashirama is slower than Luffy, doesn’t hit as hard, and is far less durable. You clearly don’t read One Piece. Current Wano Luffy would stomp Hashirama. Hashirama literally couldn’t do anything to him.
@@alexisediting it's so funny to see naruto fans jump on without watching videos effectively debunking nothing and come with "hrr brrr hokage strnggg"
@@gamershack7255 fr
The teleportation part for the fourth Hokage. Strong Haki can help counter against Devil Fruit abilities so would the teleportation technique be negated as it has a different power source?
Yes luffys haki can't stop Thier hax from working
It doesn't make sense
He isnt beating hashirama or the fourth once he has tailed beast mode. All this one piece wank needs to stop
Tails beast mode aint gonna stop Luffy from giving them a fade in gear 5 or 4
He actually is giving proof unlike you guys who always downplay one piece verse
Wb solos hashirama
@@exqusite I could create an entire PowerPoint with slides showing how it's easy to back up. Look up 10 tails tailed beast bomb. Then understand that a Tailed beast is more powerful when sealed inside a jinchuriki. In fact rewatch Naruto vs the reanimated jinchuriki and tell me Luffy deals with that with a straight face (Minato in his strongest form also has full control of the dark half of kurama so similar things to Naruto in that video
@@hororangihika8449 yeah it will. In his tailed beast mode level 2 Naruto casually smacked away 5 tailed beast bombs to save Guy and Kakashi from point blank range at the last second. So with that being said that wouldn't do shit to Minato. Luffy being nika or having strong haki won't save him from Minato spamming tailed beast bombs at Luffy from a mile away and turning him into dust. Reread the manga panel of Hashirama Shinsusenju and you will see that it would absolutely turn Luffy to paste. Stop fapping
i dont think you understand that tobirama and minato dont use the same teleportation technique as law. When law tries to teleport someone some other rules most probably apply that wouldnt apply to jutsus. thats pretty obvious especially since you dont equalize the worlds
That whole anti-teleport with Haki doesn't work here. Law stated in a more recent chapter that strong haki counterworks Devil Fruit powers, so the reason why he couldnt teleport BM or Kaido was because their haki countered his devil fruit ability. Minato's teleportation does not rely on devil fruit powers, so Haki would not work.
Agreed, too bad the procog and massive speed difference would most likely prevent minato from ever safely planning the seals though.
Not to talk less on how he'd randomly know luffy is weak to being submerged in stagnant water
Can you please make a Hunter Hunter vs one piece video
luffy would body the 5 kage in the worst way😂😂
luffy cannot be hurt by physical brute force attacks, unless the attack is on a large scale enough. For example, a bomb can hurt luffy because it's large enough unlike a cannon ball just get bounced back. It's just about the scale of the attack. Hashirama wood punch can even nerf to explosion of Nine tails bijuu dama(all coated with susanoo blade btw). Luffy need to dodge them or get annihilated, punch or not.
Explosions are shockwaves
Bro keeps bringing up feats part 1 naruto did in like the first 2 arcs kid sasuke is literally enerus level considering he basically can hold an eneru in his hand not saying he wins just saying light and lightning is part 1 naruto level not end of war arc level
Really Narutotard because ur chakra can make elements don’t make u fast fam chill
Really holding eneru tat just disrespectful and typically a Narutotard do a proper scale fam
@@NICO.DCRUZE Not once did I mention chakra or what it does all I brought up were the feats if you’re referring to Sasuke using chakra to create his attack not only is that Irrelevant it doesn’t help your argument at all bc the attack is not only lighting it’s self it’s used to cut other lighting bolts in half b4 they can reach the ground meaning yes kid sasuke is not only faster than lighting he can hold it in his hand also narutard is such a weird word considering I’ve read both manga and watched both anime so I love them both no bias here
@@sbthesage2100 i thought Kakashi cut the lightning not Sasuke
@@donovan4668 it was but it dosent matter bc you have to be a certain speed to use the jutsu and when kakshi did this the jutsu was still new kinda like when sasuke first started using it also data books are valid for both series as if there’s no outright contradiction of mangas material then it’s words can be considered fact
definitely underplayed the life outta the kage. Minato, Tobirama, and hashirama all scale to light speed characters. Minato cut a mountain buster with a kunai. Tobirama is one of the most hyped up water style users, so he should be able to recreate kisame´s water bubble. Tobirama and Hashirama spent their whole lives fighting a race of precognition users and won. luffy has been shown to be weak against illusions at every turn so he would definitely be affected by genjutsu. Lastly hashirama can fight all day and night with no rest but if luffy is pushed to use gear 4 and can't close he´ll lose because there´ll be no plot for a recharge.
Still doesn't matter there still to slow
Sharingan can't be compared to Ad Ob Haki
Prove Luffy is weak to illusions
@@sarveshnathan7559 he got caught in an audio illusion in whole cake island and got bullied by opponents he could normally beat
@@lancerobinson2515 Only because he was tired and exhausted and caught off guard.
@@sarveshnathan7559 In Wano he was effected by a sound based attack on gaurd so why wouldn't it work. Also Ceasar hit Katakuri and Oven with hallucination gas when he can see the future as well.
I agree with the conclusion but a few flaws here and there. The 1st one being, that if luffy is in a water prison or submerged like what tobirama did, he's completely done, ain't no 2 ways around it, you seem to be ignoring the bubbles around him when he's fighting tsurume and hordy, which i'm not sure why. I agree that won't happen, but if it did luffy's done, he's completely paralyzed and Secondly, you seem to be ignoring how strong Hashirama's wood could be. you brought up haki defending against steel but Hasirama's wood is far stronger than steel. It would help your arguement if actually expanded on the defenses of those 2. Because saying Haki can beat steel, as the primary argument for why Hashirama can't pierce him is not enough evidence. Kimimaro's bones are harder than steel and Hashirama completely steamroles him without the gundam. Definitely need to expand on that. Once again, I agree with the conclusions but the arguement is flawed.
Hmm interesting points
I like your points I agree he beats some of them not all but u right his arguments are flawed
You Bring up water prison but it still wouldn't matter if he could see it coming so that's out of the picture but I see what U mean with the steal part but even then Luffy is still much much faster and would see it from a mile away
@@hororangihika8449 Again, I still agree with him. I just think there are some flaws in his argument. Luffy still is faster stronger and he'd probably turn the wood into rubber with gear 5.
Current luffy would slamm with no - low diff he can literally turn everything they shoot at him into rubber and throw it back
Good Break down video / you keep forgetting Naruto don’t have to explains like the One Piece does when coming to certains feats that have been explained through the story & im disagree Every Kage has way of beating Luffy , you comparing the Enemies Luffy faced , To the Kage who has more movesets then all the Enemy Especially Tsunade with her Strength Luffy not Immune to Physical as well . He has high tolerance . Minato Battle iQ would most definitely play a factor on taking Luffy out . As well Rasenga hurts you on a Cellular level , flying Thunder God will be everyone & plus he can label him . The 2nd Hokage has more then Water lol like huh?! His fought Tail beast whose attacks are stronger then Gear 2nd Luffy . You gotta touch in more with the feats . I understand you’re One Piece fan you not even getting full info on the Kage techniques . It’s you’re Opinion & you’re Comparing series . 1st Hokage Will is above Luffy too
Rasengan can damage on a cellular level for Minato how?
From your comment we can clearly see how much u have watch or read one piece
Only Rasenshuriken damages on a cellular level. Regular Rasengan can be made stronger and bigger but does not have any special characteristics unless infused with elements.
4:16
Can we get much higher
Luffy loses to all of them 1v1 including Tsunade
Chakra scalpel could probably just cut him
Wano Luffy bodies in the worst way possible. He has observation haki, which if you don't already know allows him to see enemies behind objects/walls/buildings/trees etc, sense invisible enemies, tell how strong his enemies is, predict enemies next moves, and on top of all that Luffy can even see up to 10sec into the future.
He can coat himself in invisible armour that is strong enough to tank sword slices that split meteors clean in half. He also has durability negation via Ryou where he can send his haki into you whereby destroying your organs from the inside.
He has conquerors which renders the hokages animal summons useless. He can even coat his attacks in conquerors so that he doesn't even have to physically touch you to do damage.
Luffy is also absurdly faster than the hokage and more durable. He beats all 1v1 and mid diffs them 1v5.
He would be too fast for tsunade to slow to keep up you would need to be mftl to even keep up with Luffy let alone win he would donut he before she could process he even moved
Luffy neg diffs all 5 of them at once lmao
Luffy slaps all of them in a 1v5 wtf and did you just say tsunade beats luffy lmao luffy can literally lay down while tsunade beats on him and she wont be able to do anything
Specifically adult gon vs luffy
I hateeeeee that advanced armament argument byakugan seals chakra point which also does damage to your internal organs which was stated by kakashi but these same attacks are being neged by early naruto and is used by fused momoshiki and isn’t even effecting base naruto such a poor argument
I don't think he can fight all 5 if minato is there minato and hashirama duo would be crazy but he legit blitzes all except minato and hashirama tho he could beat both in a 2v1 just not all 5 at the same time they would go crazy.
Even tho he can beat all hokage in a 1v1 except naruto.
First of all devil fruits weakness come from Pyrobloin which is ever present in One Piece world's sea so water jutsu or sea water would not have the same effect as the sea water of the One Piece world. Secondly Steinixos never talked about senjustu as it is the power of nature and is able deal damage to six paths level characters in naruto so it should be effective to some degree with dealing damage to haki users. Also haki only hardens/entangles non physical energy so Chakra should be able to used in a similar manner unless you believe that haki is unique to One Piece verse.
Any kage can drop him, dead. Luffi is mhs+ at most. Anything above is copium.
brother one piece has light beams
I think Hashirama would be the only one that could beat Luffy with certain ease but that would only happen if he took Luffy very seriously from the very first moment and if Luffy underestimated him a lot.
The rest could have good openings but Luffy could handle them with his advanced observation haki
You can’t say that teleportation is not a strategy cause these are two different versus so minato could teleport Luffy but okkk. And you said waves don’t do anything to DF users like be fr but we all know reanimated might guy washes both versus
if the beam was light speed and pts luffy doged it with ez then ig kizaru isnt even that fast.... i dont think pst luffy can doge kizaru at light speed but whole cake luffy might so i dont think the beam was light speed i think it was close.
I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think he can do. It matters what is shown on screen.
Mind telling me how a laser beam isn’t the speed of light?
I'm sorry but this is the worst scaling from anyone ive seen. Hasiramas statues punch would 100 do damage to luffy. Your comparing a resting dinosaur skull to a punch moving at massively high speeds not even considering the ap and dc of these characters
I’m not gonna argue all your points cause make some good points but the speed scaling for the naruto characters especially minato is egregious literally beginning of series characters like haku have been stated to be faster than light naruto in the books with no enhancements from chakra was dod light beams and naruto isn’t even a speedster compared to minato and you’re saying characters like minato who’s one of the fastest characters to date isn’t compared to luffy is a bit wild and you didn’t even give him the nine tails cloak which he got at the end of his life and has feats with it
If Luffy is faster then speed of light that means he can dodge anything that slower than speed of light, right? Then why tf is he still getting his ass kicked by dude with a zombie baseball bat?
Bro you used a databook even tho you said you hated them. It just looks like selective validation
He specifically said he did that to kill any downplay claims
Gear Second Luffy can blitz through them.
man i see no way luffy beating hashirama u say hashirama cant hurt luffy cuz he doest infuse haki with his attacks well duhhh if he was in op he would
Your take on teleportation is completely wrong. Law himself said in Chapter 1068 that he learned from Big Mom and Kaido that Haki can negate DEVIL FRUIT abilities not Teleportation itself.
Hashiramas wood is also easily a lot harder than steal. It was able to Rip apart a perfect Susanoo that is way stronger than steal. The punches of the 1000 Arms revertable Canon are as strong as Medium sized Biju Bombs the Idea that the kraken in One Piece comes even close to this kind of Power is laughable lmao.
Laws teleportation is negated through their haki,you'd have to prove a perfect Susanoo is harder than steel,biju bombs aren't strong
minato in fact could teleport luffy the only reason strong haki can cancel law's teleportation is because its his df ability it doesnt apply to all forms of teleportation
edit alr second problem with the video so far you say early op luffy tanks rasengans because they does even have building sized craters yet have an entire video dedicated to attack potency
edit2 kizaru and enel are not better examples of light or lightning speed feats than everything in naruto we know kid kakashi is at least lightning speed when he cut a literal lightning bolt in half with chidori now this isnt a better feat than dodging a lightning attack from enel but it is at least as good as that and better than enel traveling as literally lightning since kid kakashi had to be faster than lightning and for light speed we have statements as early as haku being light speed since his jutsu makes him reflect from one ice mirror to the other at light speed which was stated and darui who's jutsu i forgot the name of but its something laser circus which is stated to be light speed as well and the attack madara did against naruto who dodged it which you mention might guy moving fast enough to warp space minato having reaction speed enough to teleport in front of that attack and teleport away are all at least as good as kizaru's base line speed of light
edit3 all it says is that rain has no effect on a df user in fact it says the if just the limbs are submerged in water it gets easier than if say more of there body was in water so yes if tobirama were to hit him with a water dragon and it covered luffys body he would get weakened until after he was no longer submerged or mostly covered in water and once again luffy is not immune to teleportation unless its df based and the person has much weaker haki than him
3.5 luffy can get caught off guard we have seen this happen to him and several people who have observation haki so no it is not impossible for tobirama or minato to land a hit on luffy because of observation it may be more unlikely but not impossible
edit 4 you say luffy is blatantly faster than all of the hokage but you give no real proof of that at all really
final thoughts an alright video clearly a few leaps in judgment and providing no actual information on how fast strong or durable aside from saying hashirama and tsunade could take a few hits aside from luffy who you gave some but not really good scaling for like if i didnt know what one piece was and wasnt familiar with who kizaru is i would have to assume luffy stomps him since he's made of light and the lasers luffy dodged were based off of his which makes no sense to anyone who knows how strong kizaru is compared to ts luffy but other than that he did a decent explanation of their move sets but also ignore any and all strategies that the hokage could use such as tobirama using water prison having minato going close enough to luffy and swapping places with each other completely submerging him in water or hey maybe you forgot luffy almost never jumps to gear 4th and wouldnt be flying around so its possible tobirama floods the battle field first or smth idk either way alright video in terms of move set info gathering(even if you contradict yourself slightly sometime) and explanation for why you think luffy wins
we need a current update of this
Why? He didn’t even have gear 5 yet when this video was out. The hokages would get slammed on even harder
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣For all the hokage to get beaten even more easily. Even if naruto with baryon mode in there, the hokages are no where near close to naruto's power to really be a threat to luffy. So at the end it would be luffy vs naruto.
@@akadenanderson3283 facts. Even then Luffy wins
@@akadenanderson3283 idk i really like hearing people talk about how strong luffy is💀💀
Did you know bonney age-age fruit is actually a failed nika fruit
It's
He’s mythic zone no?
it was posted 1 year ago
I respect you
Have you even watched Naruto?
7:30 you debunked yourself 😅
kizaru is faster then light. he is light but he is faster then it
2 nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th : no diff
1st : low diff
Will gear 5 all neg and hashirama no diff
To be honest op is way bigger then the Naruto I bet sumaru can beat the tailed beast (I’m just trolling lol)
Many Naruto characters have shown to be ftl especially if we talk about top tiers and I have love for both but this debate will always be stupid because the bias starts to show and one side gets downplayed heavily it’s uninteresting to watch blatant lies be told about the characters if u watch both animes and read the mangas these fights could actually be interesting yet really it goes on to jerk off luffy sad sight
5:21 isnt this equalization ? i dont think minato could beat luffy with flying ryjin anyways because ofc he would have to touch him in the first place
i think red hawk only works underwater because he is a sun god
😂😂 this compression
I don't believe no Naruto character/one piece character is planetary tbh due to a lack of supporting feats all they have are statements
Kaguyas dimensions are parallel universes and she was going to destroy and recreate one of thos dimensions in one full power attack. That's easily planetary. Even if you want to ignore anything saying or implying it's a parallel universe there is still a star in it so it's still planetary. Just cause we didn't see it happen doesn't mean it can't despite the guy who's been around for thousands of years and seen Kaguyas power first hand saying so.
@@brolylook662 (Not to be disrespectful) 1. With that kind of logic I could say king from (one punch man) could beat deep sea king just because I didn't see king fight deep sea king doesn't mean he could win against king.
2. Tbh a star in the dimension provides nothing because unless they show how big the sun is compared to the earth or I don't know let kaguya destroy the sun or something.
@@iv2joshuamaraj475 That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that just because a character doesn't actually do a feat that they've been said in multiple sources they could doesn't mean they can't do that feat. Kaguya was stated in a serious setting that she would destroy her universe and we even see her about to do so. Just because she got beat before she did it doesn't mean everything said before is invalidate. Statements matter when the character is reliable and Black zetsu is. This is different form king who we haven't seen do anything until it's revealed he's just really lucky and not strong.
@@brolylook662 I don't think the both characters are not that different at all but one in the same in some aspects, for example in multiple sources king is described as a powerful hero that surpasses everyone besides blast same thing can be said for kaguya.
Kaguya is also stated by multiple sources to be the mother of chakra and more powerful than hagaromo but still got beaten at the end.
Both are Powerful due to plot/luck the only difference is kaguya lost due to lack of "luck/plot" and King is winning because of his"plot/luck".
I don't think statements in Naruto doesn't matter as much because in the Naruto world it has been established that people manipulate and twist the truth of their information about thier objectives all the time especially black zestu who mind you lied to everyone? why should I trust his statements?
@@iv2joshuamaraj475 What is zetsu gonna do, lie to himself lol. Zetsu is trustworthy in this statement. You literally have no reason to say it wouldn't happen except you don't wanna believe it. Additionally unlike king we see kaguya doing what is said. She gets beat before she can follow through for sure but she still is clearly doing the action. King is literally all statements while kaguya is biologically a God. Those two characters aren't comparable. Heck, we know that kaguya creates her dimensions for a fact so it makes even more sense she can destroy them.
Not a big fan of tsunade, but this is complete disrespect. Punches without haki have hurt Luffy before. Those with haki are just more effective...
not a single punch hurt luffy without haki
@@gogon7394 are we gonna act like Pre time skip isn't a thing
@@bear566 so tell me when Luffy was hurt by punches ?
@@gogon7394 lucci... crocodile
@@bear566 Rob Lucci hurt him with rokougan which is an internal attack, Crocodile poisoned him and pierced him with his hook.
Hasirama bolos lol
Tsunade would be worthless
Luffy can keep up with Minato with G2 or snakeman, plus future sight
G5 would render Hashirama's wood style useless
The only TRUE threat would be Tobirama because of water style
But luffy can fly with g4 and g5
@@Geo-co9pd what about it
@@AstroPeezy you need to put a df user underwater with SEA water
Minato could take luffy, Bayron mode minato 🤯
luffy's no diffing the hoe- kage
"He's a Logia."
Said who lmao he is a zoan lmaoooo
@@BigBallsLover6969 Luffy is a Zoan with an ability of a Logia.
Unlike any other Zoan with a new form by awakening.
Luffy got a new form and he can alter and control the field like a Logia.
@@50shadesofhappinessoffilip33 I wouldn't say logia since they cant alter someone else's body like gear 5 can. Plus he changing the ground and the lighting bolt is more in line with what Katakuri or Doffy did, since all three have to make contact with something to alter it with their awakening.
@@tyjairchambers8183 Luffy is the only one who can affect the opponent body.
Logia can alter their body ,like Katakuri , Aokiji , Caribou and literally every Logia was shown to alter their body
@@50shadesofhappinessoffilip33 exactly as I said. It would be cool if Kat could turn someone into mochi tho