Why Madara VS Whitebeard Isn’t Close
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2021
- Why Madara VS Whitebeard Isn’t Close
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Madara, the man who rivaled the strongest ninja of his time vs Whitebeard, the man who was rivals with the King of the Pirates. Both are not only iconic Antagonists but fighters who will literally 1v500 you just for the fun of it. Also I thought this match itself was fitting since Naruto & One Piece are both Shonen’s that get compared a lot, especially when it comes to the VS Battle Community. In today’s video, I'm joined by Broken Ronin who's going to help me talk about the Naruto stuff while I'm here mainly speaking on the One Piece Scaling. “We’ll both be trying our best to break down their feats and abilities to see who comes out on top between the clash of the titans.”
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Good vid people are going to shit on this video even though they asked for it on the community tab and not offer debunks just talk crap about OP verse and saying Madara negs without looking at the video just the ending or saying WB is more hax when that is wrong.
Basically people are slow and don’t pay attention.
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Both statements are wrong tbh
@@marcosmc3709 that’s fine but the people who criticize. Critize things in the vid that he explained away already. They don’t address them or argue it just say vague stuff. If you disagree with this scaling that’s cool but at least provide evidence to your words.
Ok 😂 madara is blatantly faster and stronger and if you take a second to reply I’ll explain
@@trenhead17 don’t really need to prove it to me though. Just said to look at the video and really criticize it instead of being butthurt and say things without debunking the things he said. If you want to prove Madara>WB just post the comment.
I’m not maining either on each argument.
Whitebeard wasn't an antagonist, he's a father
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nah bro ina real fight whitebeard is way stronger in his prime than madara in his prime. there is no omparison between them if you ask.
@stormz9k
Hes a pirate there all still pirates THEY ARE PIRATES NOT HEROS
I think its the opposite lol @@user-dv2bw5dg8j
@@asgardironman8867 akainu apprentice
And so ladies and gentlemen, this is why it'd be terrifying to have a normal life in an anime world, your house just gets obliterated and you see many air booms in the sky not knowing it's bunch of people fighting.
Fr gone turn into Aki from chainsaw man😭
Maybe, but all you gotta do is become a semi important character then you get decently strong and be able to protect yourself(not too important or you might die)
@@VeryHuman101 and u can't even do that in real life💀
@@rain-mk6mf I did do that in real life. why do you think I’m alive?
@@VeryHuman101 nice comeback
Madara was so powerful even kishimoto didn’t know how to deal with him 😂 man wrote himself into a corner and then introduced aliens
That's not true Kishimoto never intended for Madara to be the final villain
@Daniel MC Buggy D. Clown, Go D. Usopp or even Con D. Oriano can one shot Naruto Universe lowdiff. Not even fair for narutoverse dude.😂😂
@@ngayoozaako1895 the only reason he was not the final villain was because Kishimoto could not find a way to kill him
Whitebeard can break timeline he can break earth into 2 pieces if he uses his full power but he don't use his full power because he don't want his family members to get hurt
@@RyuKami_ and full power Madara could also destroy the world
Whitebeard is a fucking tank, the dude tanked tons of sword wounds, cannonballs, magma fists, had part of his head and brain melted and still fought. Mind you that this version of whitebeard is an incredibly sick 70+ year old man who lost his haki, even at that age he was stated to be able to "Destroy the world"
@@jeom9306 huh
@@jeom9306 brother madara was Edo tensei into his prime
@@nishalsairamgaming7892 edo is faster
Nvm the medication, bro's literally on dextrose and still managed to tank that much 💀💀
Fearless🗿
I hate when people try to say Kizaru is LS at max speed, this wouldn't make any sense as every single devil fruit can be improved such as Luffy increasing the distance he can stretch, so why wouldnt this rule apply to Kizaru's devil fruit?
Exactly, they don't understand he has control over his fruit and can train it
Oda himself said Kizaru travels at light speed in interviews
@@cinemaster9012 Did he say that LS is his absolute max speed?
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But he is the element light his full body is light and I don’t think light can increase its speed
Also madara would still be able to use susanoo with one eye because he’s able to use it with no eyes in the war
they didn’t even compare WB to post resurrection madara with sage mode and one rinnegan who scales highly above ems madara, let alone juubidara who is like 100 times stronger and has dura neg
@@qazastroshift they kinda wanked wb but didn’t wank madara I can easily get madara almost large star level due to six paths naruto and kaguya feats
They wanked WB.
No it's plot holes
@@LIGMADEEZN67 how it was never stated that after he attained susanoo that he needed his eyes to use it the explanation for what the susanoo is and how it can be used is vague so kishimoto could use it in many ways
Haku was not moving at light speed against Naruto and Sasuke it was literally said multiple times that he was not trying to kill them and he has too much of a good heart so no Sasuke couldn’t perceive light speed if he could at that point, when Naruto and Sasuke were fighting he wouldn’t have got speed blitz by Naruto
He didn’t say that
He said that haku is faster than light overall
And sasuke only said that haku wasn't going for a kill that doesn't mean he was moving slow and later in the manga when naruto was influenced by kurama chakara it clearly stated that naruto surpassed haku....
Literally I'm a data books stated that Naruto characters are faster than light speed
But it still means that anyone from haku clan can move at light speed during war so why did they lose? Shouldn't they be at an unbelievable advantages since many people think only naruto and sauske are light speed? Naruto verse is a verse where a single blade wound can kill a ninja so yeah, last time i checked, no one from kaguya clan was among the top 10 of naruto world?
@@rain-mk6mf there were like thousands of thousands of characters in narutoverse that are speed light...
Once again, Madras speed got hella lowballed.
It didnt get low balled. if you say that he reacted to that teleportation jutsu, its been debunked and you can say the same for wb as all yonkos where stated to be equal and kaido and big mom easily dodged laws teleportations
@@pollihd5039 show me one time where White beard moved faster then madara?
@@Calamity8 fighting the admirals since they scale faster than madara
@@ong6261madara is faster than any admiral.
@@user-fe9gi1fb1r hes easily slower than all of them
If we are talking about edo Tensei madara, the fact one piece has no "sealing" techniques, he would clap because he basically becomes unkillable, thats why nobody talks about edo tensei vs a verse
Exactly
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I think he's talking about alive madara not edo tensie, and he's also not talking about ten tails madara just base alive madara
@@zmaster5982 we know but we’re just saying that people don’t talk about edo tensei madara because he would clap anyone in one piece
@@kami_tgg2011 Because it doesn't make sense to talk about it since it's a plot device, not a character trait.
Also, no he would not clap anyone in OP. Kizaru could freeze him. Boa could turn him into stone. Big Mom could remove his soul. Law could "cut" him. Green Bull is basically Hashirama. Crocodile is basically Gaara. Edo Tensei can't be killed but they can be immobilized.
"Whitebeard is folding Madara like a pancake 🥞"
*_Ten tails madara walks in_*
"OH CRAP"
Whitebeard pulls off a continental seaquake against madara, ez slams
@madafac so he's below Madara's tier? Like I don't get what you're getting at.
@@AMAZIAH wb is definitely stronger
Prime Whitebeard: Accidently puts ten tail to sleep with conqueror
@@sayko9303 u rn: 🤡
The speed scaling in OP is seriously stupid but whatever Madara is so much stronger and you still find a way to downplay him
If it’s just alive Madara/Edo Madara, the Whitebeard easily has the stronger AP. Ten Tails Madara would scale higher than Whitebeard based on current feats, but if we get further feats/confirmation of planetary destruction in One Piece, Whitebeard would take it overall.
You miss spelled Naruto
It's only stupid for you because it's consistent, and you are a Narutard
@@michaeldorsey9231 if its edo madara he slams bc op verse dont got sealing shi
@@michaeldorsey9231 Even if we get planetary destruction feats, rinne-sharingan madara still takes it. It's gonna need more than some planetary destruction feats for wb to scale above rinne sharingan madara specially taking into account madara's haxx. Not to mention he can simply create truth seeking orbs and limbos which would make it impossible for any character without so6p in both the verses to even touch him
absolutely loving the vid... good talk and fine points yall nailed it. thanks.
Umm if you have watched 3d2y you can see Rayleigh say "you can't see things that move at the velocity of high-speed or light," debunking the lightspeed scale
Wrong, he didn't say that
Lol op wankers love to ignore antifeats and statements. Much like jojo wankers.
And the moive isn’t cannon
Whitebeard don't show all his power/strength on his appearance
because Whitebeard can't stay on being Strongest Man In The World Whitebeard says too that he isn't showing all of his power
Even then, the Madara used in the video was EMS alive Madara
Edo Madara even with the edo nerf(which should not apply as Kabuto said edo Madara is stronger than in his glory days) still gets access to Hashirama cells, wood style, the rinnegan, infinite stamina (not chakra) and becomes immortal (so Whitebeard needs to incapacitate him as a win condition)
@@JackStigma Prime whitebeard can be easily assumed to have awakened his df by default since he was basically the strongest pirate. Which means, at a high level, his df can crqack an medium including time-space itself meaning he could spit madara's body in many pieces from the inside and outside with an awakened df attack from him with full power.
So what we're getting at is that cautious Madara would be a menace
if he could react to mftl speed sure
These power scalers are insanely amazing!
"Just the third tomoe"?! Bruh, a 3 tomoe Sharingan is fully mature💀
No it's not Ms is the final stage you can achieve naturally. Ms visual prowess far surpassed 3 tomoé
I was talking about Sharingan, not Mangekyou Sharingan. 3 tomoe Sharingan is a fully mature Sharingan.@trs8%2F-wuw%2Cymuvu%60e%2Ccmm-cjalngl-UAdDXxQAtsmVjm_kz%60duD1xe
Madara blitzes.
Repeat the cap
@@Tylearned want to debate
@@Tylearned bruh you're just one piece fan like me but i had watched both anime i know who's gonna win not i everyone know who had watched both anime.
@@valdrindodaj5029 xd madara is at beast ftl wb is massivly faster than light so wb would just blitz him
@@cipherpol4775 can i ask a question
Which version of Madara are you guys using for this fight? I’m assuming alive Madara when he fought hashirama in the valley of the end? As for whitebeard I think your using not sick prime whitebeard.
Sick whitebeard is getting destroyed, his movement is hindered, he can’t use conqueror haki, he has reduced stamina and yeah.
But any other version of Madara is unkillable for whitebeard.
Edo Madara can’t be kill, jubi Madara survived getting half of his body blown off by guy when he literally distorted space with his punch. Alive Madara with hashirama DNA implants can’t be touch, take Madara reaction time (which is a separate thing from just speed) and time that by a dozen since he now has sage mode and hashirama cell on top of his Uchiha DNA creating a balance (senju and Uchiha are descendent of indara and Asura).
If whiteboard can land a few solid hit on valley of the end Madara (without his Susanoo) then yes, he absolutely dead. But Susanoo and the perfect Susanoo is absolute tank. The power of it is easily able to kill whitebeard if he get hit with that.
Also genjutsu. Whitebeard doesn’t really have any defense against genjutsu. He wouldn’t know not to look Madara in the eye, or can’t break out if he is caught in it. To break out of a genjutsu, he need someone else to do it or use your chakra to dispelled the genjutsu user chakra from your body.
Also Whitebeard being able to destroy the planet isn’t stated as he can destroy the world by his own sheer power but as a byproduct of the fact he can make earthquakes. And that earthquake is staking on top of each other as whitebeard can create multiple at once. The earthquake is what destroying things not whitebeard in a one punch man serious punch move.
Whitebeard is not tanking a perfect Susanoo sword point blank, he’s gonna have a hard time breaking the Susanoo and not getting caught in a genjutsu and (if we are using valley of the end Madara) he’s gonna content with the nine tail.
Now why am I giving Madara the nine tail, because it was shown that Madara binds the nine tail as his summoning animal. So like naruto summoning gamakichi.
I’m sorry Madara win, perfect Susanoo is going tank a few punches and it’s offensive power is no joke. Genjutsu and kurama is way to much for whitebeard and not to mention all of Madara jutsu.
Also also, he literally has a rewind button. Izanagi and Izanami which rewrite reality for him and trap whitebeard in a loop.
Finally someone with a brain
He's clearly implying the use of sick Whitebeards feats as that's all he is showing and explaining. So now multiply that by quite a lot and you have prime, young Whitebeard which would be complete overkill for Madara. Thank you for reading
@@stephenbennett5240 with the comparison I’m doing in the comments above is comparing prime whitebeard and valley of the end madara.
So I would say my opinion still stand, tho I do welcome different prospective and opinions
@@raidenarashikage it would defiantly be a closer fight with both primes. I’d love to see Oda and Kishimoto do a film together to see who would win 😂
@@stephenbennett5240 I would pay for that! They are friends after all, last chapter of Naruto show the straw hat flag and oda drew luffy eating ramen with a guy that look like Naruto eating meat in the background
This definitely came out before whitebeard clashed with roger. They literally fought for 3 days straight and Roger is said to be the strongest in the series. Unlike madara, whitebeard didn’t lose to Roger (at least not that fight anyway).
Hashirama is stronger than Roger tho
If u dont think Hashirama is stronger, then imagine Whitebeard vs Juubidara
Bro they didn’t even talk about jubidarra
@@batsdragon0781 you can make a case for whitebeard being stronger than Hashirama. You can do the same with juubidara but the difference is that juubidara has so many hax whitebeard shouldn’t come out on top even if he’s stronger, just look at the fight with Guy. His haki is also said to not be as good as Rogers so his haki probably couldn’t even save him from the hax like most people’s Haki. Rogers haki is so strong it made him stronger than a man who can destroy their world which is as big as a sun.
@@seanwuzhere12 bro u do know that jubidara and jubito are planet buster or even star level since kaguya can create multiple dimensions and one dimension(sand) had a sun in it which means that even while low balling, kaguya can create 5 solar scale dimension and even destroy it, I am not saying that madara and obito are at kaguya power level but they should be at least relative to her since even hogoroma said that madaras power are reaching his level
“Madaras speed is unquantifiable because there’s no clear way to tell how much faster madara was at the end” then you said “whitetbeard is so much faster than madara”, well how do you know that, you just said that madaras speed increases is unquantifiable so how do you know if whitebeard is faster than him. Your basing this off of an assumption which by the way you failed to show evidence. Clear one piece bias video
These dude are capping left and right
I’d like to see you try and difine unquantifiable
And he never mentioned genjutsu one time
@@MoabTafHdo we need to?
@@Plutotrynabecoolyeah kind of
Don’t know if this counts since it’s the games but each mangekyou sharingan has a special ability and Mardara is time manipulation but it’s from the storm games soooo 🤷♂️
3:00 the laser beams he fires move at lightspeed but his physical body could very well move much faster than that awith many possibilities to argue a faster than light speed like calculating the energy transfer between his real massive body and his massless photon form, a potential awakening (tachyon speed or control of the Planck constant of his photons) or a potential combination of Soru and/or haki with his Devil Fruit.
We don't know anything about Kizaru so everything is possible.
Kizaru makes no sense when it comes to speed. He is made of light, but he doesn't choose to just *Poof* and appear anywhere on the planet, or at least anywhere on an island, but he doesn't.
@@zqninja3334 Gravitonal pull and size of the planet
@@zqninja3334 1. Plot
2. The op planet is large
@@defort2208 GRAVITY DOESN'T STOP LIGHT WTF?! THEY LIVE IN A BLACK HOLE?!??
@@baby0891 Large indeed but I'm sure that only delays the amount of time Kizaru can travel around the planet by like... 2 seconds...
Vid idea: who is the strongest live action spiderman
I might’ve missed it but why was 10 tails madara not used? Is it because it wouldn’t be fair or something?
yeah I don't think it would be fair since Madara can just fly away and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi which is an instant win in the most boring way possible.
He's basically immortal
Honestly I think current!Blackbeard is actually the best fit for the Madera of one piece
I'm almost certain he'll have another form or his actions will cause another villain to show up during the final battle
This video made my day 😂😂😂😂😂😂it's so funny, they really think WB win
cry
Next checks out 😂
@@tanjiro1813it looks like your crying
@@Waffle-gg cry
The data book is canon and are written or approved by kishimoto himself
That "10 tails' chakra is like a small planet" stance gets me every time.
The literal purpose of the ten tails is to destroy the world my guy
I don't think wb can run or travel at light speed as there is no feats of him doing such but his reaction and combat speed is higher than light.
What use is travel speed in an obvious qcq fight
@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb well when wb or any character in general is charging at madara that's travel speed no?
@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb when someone tries to pull of a sneak attack that relies on travel speed
To reaction and counter attack a light speed feat means you can move ftl
@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb well wb reaction and combat speed is faster but what I'm trying to say is madara can move/run faster and has better and more accurate range attacks even tho wb has more range lol. Get what I'm trying to say? Basically madara can keep at a range and attack without worrying about wb.
Lol you can’t find it anywhere that kizaru’s light speed feats are only baseline every single feat he portrayed in this verse has been him moving at lightspeed and it’s debatable if his base movement speed is even light speed at all because combat speed and movement speed are completely different things
"Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"
Another thing is like 100 times faster than light easily is kind of a big stretch because of the his infamous durability how much hundred bullet how much hundred cannon and 70+ stand that he is taking, like if someone is that much faster than light to get tagged so often? Kinda strange, if you that fast I'd expect for you to have less hits than that just saying.
Even if you wanna say that maybe these bullets are fused with haki, tell me something is some captain forcing haki into a bullet gonna be fast enough to catch kizaru? And we know the whole kizaru and Ben Beckman thing,but that's point blank and is literally BEN BECKMAN not some normal navy, so that's already not looking good for 100 times the speed of light.
Then you have Raleigh telling luffy that it's impossible to move at lightspeed, then we have kizaru who needs a light devil fruit, damn
“ Then you have Raleigh telling luffy that it's impossible to move at lightspeed, then we have kizaru who needs a light devil fruit”
1) The former statement isn’t in the manga proper from what I’ve read, it’s only been in 3D2Y. Even taking 3d2y’s canonicity into account, this is clearly contradicted by laser dodging feats seen in chapters like 508 and 560 where Luffy is dodging lasers without Haki.
2) Kizaru is never said to need his fruit to go that fast. Aside from the speed there are numerous advantages to having the powers of the Glint Glint fruit, from spamming projectiles to having an elemental body, and having a means of covering distance that doesn’t drain stamina.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Luffy isn,’t moving at light speed he is using his observation haki as pre-cognition to dodge and the lasers were not point blank so it would not be light speed regardless
@@nf5322 you still have to be fast enough to move out the way, and the other person shooting the laser, like Kizaru and kuma also has observation haki and would be aiming to where they precog you going to, regardless it is light speed
@@nf5322 Observation haki only works on things with will from what I remember and a robot doesn’t have that so that means that he should be ftl+ if that’s light. I have my own issues with that even being light since it explodes which lasers don’t do but if it somehow is then it should be ftl+
During the war, whitebeard’s observation and conquerors haki were essentially nonexistent. We know this from Marco saying it shouldn’t have been possible for Squardo to stab whitebeard(we see ace can’t even sneak attack him in his sleep) and him failing to use Conq to stop Ace’s execution(which Luffy had to use instead). The most we’ve seen of whitebeard was at his worse. A fatal disease that induced heart attacks and crippled his haki(despite remaining calm and his clear sign of strong will) as well as being late in age.
hard to scale them because prime whitebeard has close to no showcase of how powerful he is except for when he clashed with roger, and oden in contrary to madara who's been shown what he's capable of doing even as a corpse, so it's hard to say for sure. Things might change if oda reveals some more prime whitebeard and roger feats in the future
nigga NO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 whitebeard is getting WHOPPED regardless 😂😂😂😂😂
don't forget temari can blow away the universe
who tf is temara 💀
Her sister maybe
@@RAyden277 fr bro, it sounds like seafood.
Ain’t no way y’all forgot about temari
Bro temari weak as heck she nothing compared to one piece character she wouldn't last in the east blue.
Great Video 👍, thoughts on who will win Luffy (Dressrosa arc) vs Naruto (Pain's Assault arc)
Luffy’s faster. In relative stats though it’s interesting
@@Sun-cg6lv Naruto pre cog may help him out but iirc sage mode last 5 minutes.
Gear fourth and sage mode should give around a similar amp due to Luffy making g4 in mind to handle giant animals and sage mode Naruto having similar feats of strength with him throwing around pain summonings.
Also imo Naruto may have an edge with his long range attacks since rasenshurikin should be able to pierce through g4 defenses since he was able to do so during his fight with Kurama. This same Naruto didn't get to train either iirc. However this could be debated but I doubt that Luffy is anywhere near Kuramas level even at this point.
Plus if we're using that as an example Naruto could simply spam a million odama rasengans at Luffy and it'd most likely be GG.
@@young_shaad5227 Sage Mode precog=Basic Observation precog imo
@@young_shaad5227 that Sage Naruto is not the same Sage Naruto who fought Pain. (The one vs Kurama) he got stronger. He couldn’t use SM in that many clones yet.
@@Sun-cg6lv good point with that last part but I do however disagree with that first statement since he didn't have time to train and if so he wasn't massively stronger than his pain arc self but you can say he was more proficient with sage mode
What about Madara dodging Tobiramas instant teleportation? Wouldn’t that give him him infinite speed?
nope flying rajin is based off reaction speed
No it's not especially not if it's used to attack as opposed to evading @@defort2208
This was actually quite shocking considering usually people compare Madara and Aizen
Stomp on aizens behalf
Aizen stomps seththeprogrammer over hypes naruto characters
@@Veryveryinteresting23 your arguments ?
@@hihello-sk5ql ? mhas nothing to to with the topic
@@cipherpol4775 what?
I like that his debunk for Kizaru stating he’s kicking at light speed is “this calc has luffy faster than light and Kizaru has to be faster than him” 😭😭😭😭
youve earned a sub and like.
Kcm2 is a full unleash of kuramas chakra making him masively stronger and faster than kcm1. Its shown in the series that naruto originally cannot maintain kcm2 for more than 5ish minutes while with kcm1 he was able to control it perfectly and maintain it for much longer spread out across hundreds of clones so id say kcm2 is atleast 100x more of an amp than kcm1
100x seems a little too much but fair ig
@khalidmallhi idk tbh kcm2 did put him at being able to fend off madara and obito rather well vs kcm1 which was nothing to them
I love when luffy can travel around the world in less then a tenth of a seccond becuase he is at or more the speed of light.
Yeah thats usually where the LS arguments in anime vs fall apart lol.
light speed combat and reaction speed are VERY different from lightspeed travel speed
@@jw.dp11 during the skypia arc we see nami who is suposed to be human dodge a bolt of lighting wich travels at 1/3 the speed of light. This is in both the manga and anime. And you cannot say it was reaction time becuase the bolt of lighting is shot then she dodges.
FR FR
@@jw.dp11 thats what Im always telling people but they dont listen.
am shock you didnt talk about 6paths marada w true seeking orbs, and limbo etc.. very nice
He also doesn’t know reaper death seal or the fact that wbs devil fruit has shown only to move tech tonic plates and not even close to destroying the world
Juubidara is overkill
@@Habesh778 yea ikr. it reminds me of death battle w kakashi and obi one. they didnt even give him dms. smh..
Dude wb as an old man took a stomach full of magma
I think it’s hard to say for sure white beard is faster than madara. If KCM1 is 72 times faster than the raikage who is at bare minimum light speed, and then he receives an amp from KCM2 and then stacks toad sage mode on top of it and a slower edo tensei madara is dealing with him casually it’s hard to say how much more times faster than light he is especially bc we don’t fully know how much of a nerf edo tensei is so who knows how fast he would be alive
I just want to point out that just because you can dodge lightspeed attacks, does not mean you can travel at light speed or attack at light speed. Otherwise the fact that a good chunk of characters can dodge the lasers of the Pacifistas and Kizaru would mean that these characters are faster than Kizaru, which is false. Kizaru is the fastest being on the planet, followed by Enel, who is made of lightning, at second.
Kizaru is not stated to be the fastest character. We see Shanks in One Piece Red easily catch up to Kizaru. We know he's ONE OF THE fastest but not THE fastest
Yes someone finally gets it reaction and movement are two different things but I still think whitebeard can move at the speed of light because of how fast Luffy gear 5 is relative to whitebeard.
12:43 I'm sorry, I must have missed thay part. But when did he show dura neg?
Adv armament haki
yo i just wanna ask, what game that in the background?
A Prime Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi Punch mixed with Ryuo Haki to the liver like Akainu or to the gut? I don't see Madara surviving that in base form.
even if prime whitebeard ryuo haki whatever he not one shotting akainu or 10 shotting him.
And he forsure isnt beating madara in his strongest form which is Six path, madara will bully the verse lmao
@@bye9925 proof of that? you sound like you don't know ryuo with your statement of "even if prime wb ryuo haki 'whatever' " you're just bias as fuck and can't accept that white beard manhandles your favorite character
ryuo haki is durability neg itself, it destroys the opponents within, no matter how strong or tough your defenses are.
This was shown against luffy and kaido
Naruto’s character that doesn’t have Hashi Cells are not competing at all with One Piece characters durability and endurance.
If kcm 1 naruto is light speed than kcm 2 naruto is way faster than light at that point because we know more bijuu chakra means more speed and power we see this with every jinjuriki when they use bijuu chakra they get massive speed amps and naruto being able to give the shinobi alliance 3x more chakra you could easily say naruto got infinitely faster in kcm 2 than kcm1 because it would be unquantifiable madara should be faster than kcm2 naruto due to him reacting to him and even blowing his attacks back at him I think the speed is closer than you think
lmao, Naruto is not light speed, it was never stated that he was faster than light. Madara still stomps tho
@@Joe-uk4vu he is there are weaker and slower characters stated to be light speed or have light speed jutsus go read some data books the raikage is stated to be at the speed of light kcm 1 naruto was faster darui has a jutsu called laser circus that is literally light reflecting off water which is also stated to be light speed and weaker and slower characters reacted to it and dodged it kcm1 naruto is already ftl any faster forms are way above light you didn’t refute any of my arguments so I don’t know why I responded tbh all you said was he wasn’t light speed prove it or don’t respond also the mc is almost never stated to be light speed in any series they just fight against light speed characters and speed blitz them meaning they would be faster than light and feats>>>statements always
@@solo8123 I mean, Kcm 1 was calced at 18xftl iirc and if we assume Kcm 2 is the same multiplier as kcm 1 which is the same as sage mode, then kcm 2 sage mode is 100x faster making him 1800xftl. This doesn’t include So6p which is even stronger and you can stack the 100x stronger on too if that so with minimal scaling, Naruto kcmSo6p at the end if Shippuden is 180000xftl
@@zemzem1238 I don’t use calcs or numbers to much when scaling but if I did it would be something crazy probably even more than you got if we actually go off amps because we know the curse mark 2nd stage is a 10x multiplayer and sage mode clearly amps the user way more than the curse mark and so does all the kcm variants actually kcm2 should be a much bigger amp than sage mode yea it could get crazy
@@Joe-uk4vuhaku when at full power I’d light speed and yagura is stronger than it as he is the Kage that they failed to assassinate and as a kage is the strongest in village and an possibly amped yagura that had a fight with kcm naruto in war
Can I get the link to the calc for pre timeskip gear 2 luffy being ftl.
Wait wait which madara are we using cus juubidara is leagues ahead of his alive form and is the rinnegan included?
No they ignored his strongest feats.
There are kurama statement that just shows how big of a difference is there between kcm1 and kcm2 naruto in kcm2 naruto uses almost half Kurama’s chakara ,while in kcm1 naruto kurama stated that kcm1 chakara is just a tiny portion of his chakara ...
Yeah it puts into perspective why they say a full Kurama is able to destroy the world.
yall realize Madara mastered all 5 changes in chakra right water style equals instant loss bruh and not to mention he can fight on water plus tobirama was able to manipulate bodies of water which includes seawater I'm sure Madara could use that sharingan to copy what he's seen from his most formidable opponents younger brother also the ability to make eye contact and win is broken
bruh what am i hearing oda has already stated that only water that is still affects DF user point invalid try again
@@buster64 then how did luffy fight against crocodile using water lol
A df user getting hit by water doesn't mean an instant death it just weakens them, that is all.
How would madras know that white bread weakness is water?
It needs to be standing water (or any liquid) and submerged up to a certain point or higher.
Just wandering what speed feats do we have of white beard you said he was so much faster but I don’t remember him pulling any crazy speed feats granted he was extremely sick in marine ford
naruto was dodging photon beams while fatigue to the point where even moving hurts
Broooo we better not be talking bout juubidara😭
Nah we talking about base madara
My boy Whitebeard got resurrected in the wrong anime verse 😂
Changed the thumbnail or am I tripping?
It'd be dumb to,assume WB doesn't have future sight haki. Which would be hard for anyone to fight
Still no body knows what madara ms abilities are but if what storm generation is saying about ms madara being able to reverse time is canon then I don't know that might be a different story
I don't understand how being able to blitz a relativistic attack makes u light speed
But sure
Because multiples of relativistic could equal up to sol or even flt or literally mftl depending on how many multiple there are. blitzing someone is bare minimum 4x faster than that person but the distance that you blitzed them also accounts for how many multiples there could potentially be
@@IBdrawn ................ Relativisc multipliers can never reach mftl
Ftl is even a highball
And this can only be done if u calc stack which is disingenuous
What game game is at the back with aizen? The 3d one
So not going to talk abt truth seeking orbs and limbo which are two of the most broken abilities in the series? how's WB doing anything against TSO?
HE BIASED MY MAN
its literally alive madara bud
Do you consider the novels canon? You can scale Madara to the sage of 6 paths while he was dying he moved like 500k ftl I can show you the calc
Good video. I think we can all agree Kaguya ruined Naruto’s greatest villain and we need more white beard scenes.👍
*kishimoto
Agreed👍
Why do u assume haki will simply pass through susanos n etc
To be honest I do not see white beard taking on Madara in the war Arc or when Madara absorbs the ten-tails
Are we talking about my boy old whitebeard? Well watch the new episodes of white beard/ Edward Newgate in a young age 😈
I think they're talking about Prime Whitebeard here cause they're using the statement of him being able to detsroy the planet and that definitely doesn't hold true for his older and sick self.
one look in Madara's eyes and its over
His eyes with without verse equalization wouldt work cuz all genjutsus affect chakra
@@smokeyjoseph1790that’s why verse equalization goes for every fight
@@mayonnaise3959 no not everyone does that, some people hate it cuz it's not naturally how they're power systems work . It does not go in every fight or even in every conversation.
@@mayonnaise3959 oh also in this case specifically with sharingan and any other genjutsu there's argument it may not affect one piece verse cuz observation haki might detect it
@@smokeyjoseph1790 it does and should if you hate or don’t like it you’d just be trying to give your fav verse the edge
14:00 the reason why the author didn’t tell us the power diff between kcm 1 and kcm 2 is because of powerscalers
Why didn't you talk about ten tails madara just wondering
depends on the madara and whitebeard
edo and 3 eye slam the verse everything else except maybe one eye juubi lose to wb prime and old wb gets murked by every relevant madara
I'm sorry, but where are they getting these light speed references from? It's never mentioned, nor seen. LIGHT speed? We wouldn't be able to see anything. And if it were the case and they ''slowed down time'' for us to be able to see it, that hasn't been mentioned either. Whitebeard is an absolute tank, but if he was able to move at LIGHT speed he could've saved Ace by simply swooping him out of Marine Ford by transporting him to the other side of the planet. Light goes around the earth 7.5 times a SECOND, meaning the acceleration itself would kill anyone he'd carry. The dude was mostly standing still like a tank, so what the hell are you guys talking about?
Bro whitebeard at the time was 70+ and stupidly ill. Your expecting an old man to move like that?
@@pokerus1359 I'm expecting no one to move like that. That's my point.
@@pokerus1359 which class r u studying?
@@Peace0155 why is that relevant?
I would say it's extreme diff for both it's abt who land to deadly hit first
One thing I wanna say is that light speed moves at different speed some r slower n some are faster like lazers gun shoot light but is slower
Lasers do travel at the speed of light
Which madara rennigan is way to much ems is a way more fair battle slight edge to madara because of the sharingan I don’t see him getting through susano
Thank you, also observation haki mostly boost reaction time similarly to the ems, not the movement speed so Madara precog would counter whitebeards
@@momotheone9700 madara is also really fast also even without pre cod he blitzed sage mode Naruto before he could even react who has pre cod on par with the sharigan mans is just to much
Madara dodged an instantaneous sword slash for something to be instantaneous it has to be more than 10,000 times faster than light (instantaneous means moving from one space to another instantly)
So white beard isn't even touching him
Second the straw hats weren't light speed before the time skip as the starw hats were just jumping out of the way before the beam was fired (also they were getting injured from these attacks which shows there not light speed)
Third if white beard is massively light speed how could he possibly get stabbed, and shot (he's only light speed when using observation haki) where as Madara could out blitz light speed characters in base (without sage mode).
Finally this is human Madara if it was ten tails Madara white beard would have had his heart ripped out his chest before he could blink
(Also oda said in an interview thit kizaru moves at the speed of light and is the fastest person in one piece)
Also he did this all wile in a weakened state
I don't disagree with the conclusion I disagree how you got there
the fastest person in one piece is lucky roux u only know what you're talking about when it comes to naruto
@@buster64 well @buster this is a battle between white beard and Madara and if you read what I posted was they believe white beard is faster than Madara in the 2nd battle I am just saying no he's not in both movement speed and reaction time Madara is faster Madara moved from 1 battlefield to another which was estimated to be over hundreds of miles away in a few seconds so while white beard is more durable and stronger he is a lot slower also I am not caught up in one piece so I do not know how fast lucky is but until I see him fight and analyze the battle I'm going to go off of what oda said and again this is Madara not with the ten tails
@@Jeremiahkilday02 thats what im trying to say oda never said kizaru is the fastest we dont see lucky roux fight but he was stated to be faster then his own shadow
I have never watched either anime but I gotta support fellow anitubers 💪
Sidenote : does anyone know which one I should start with? I've tried watching Naruto a few times but couldn't make it past a few eps. The sheer amount of Filler should be illegal. Really scared OP is in the same boat.
One Piece 100%
Imo
You should try reading thhe one piece manga and only watch amazing arcs (like marineford )
This could save you enough time and also helps avoid the shitty ass pacing of the OP anime
I kind think you should read the manga until marineford, watch marineford, watch or read the dressrosa arc and whole cake arc (watch the fights scene though )
And watch the wano arc
just skip the filler
Bro i think starting of naruto doesnot have Fillers
@@Tylearn i find one piece boring till water 7. And one more. Thing. Its too slow they drag everything so much. Not talking about manga
literally literaaaaly non of you guys talk about sage of the six path madara whyyyyyy
That first round doesn’t make sense. How can you question WB stamina with the amount of damage he received and was still fighting? The man received fatal blows numerous times and was still fighting🙁. And then to compare Madara fighting for a long time without receiving any serious injuries? The one time Hashirama got a clean stab off on Madara he won🙁… lol anyway
The comparison is a joke bro lol I love the uchiha but there’s no world where madara beats WB he can’t take nowhere near as much dmg , nor can he dish out as much destructive damage I give him the edge in speed MAYBE lol only thing that would be trivial for WB is genjutsu but idk how we scale that the OP verse
white beard was taking damage from a lot of weak marine attackswhich means his stamina is pretty questionable when he shouldnt of took damage from most of that. madara took a fatal blow from the strongest non jinchuriki/oktusuki after fighting him to the point of exhaustion so he no longer could defend.
@@raiden3013 bro … white beard fought with like every heavy hitter on the opposing team … it’s stated that akainu had the strongest damage output of logia users … man got his insides melted and continued to dog walk anyone who stood in front of him after … got jumped by black beards crew , my boy did you see the end of the marineford war where they spoke on all the damage he took are you nuts … madara got stabbed by hashirama and was gg … lol
@@raiden3013 mans was dog walking guys while half his face was missing and two giant holes in his torso and insides incinerated … dude was a terminator and that wasn’t even prime beard
@@raiden3013Whitebeard got half his face blown off by the marine with the strongest offensive fruit in the series and he was still boxing and packing people up.
base madara loses 😒. but they didn’t talk about juubidara 🤪
Perfect Susanno wins
wb still takes the dub since he has conqurer's haki and also future sight/advanced obeservation haki
@@DaShanky stop
@@tjadams1089 it's true
I wouldn't use the "turn the world to ash" statement. It's not very defensible. I would use Juubi and World tree scaling to get planetary
I just realised sharingan wouldnt be useful as for seeing the opponents attack cuz advanced obs haki is also future sight
I feel like rinne-rebirth madara would have been a better choice
Or six path madara
@@XeroNova35 six paths Madara would spit on the verse bro
@@senretsu6241 is so6p Madara even MFTL?
@@Tylearned lol u trolling right I hope even base madara is mftl scaling to kcm2 and treating him like a child when he’s several times faster then kcm1 who is ftl
@@Tylearned ms sasuke was able to react to darui laser circus which moves at the speed of light , the raikage was way faster than that sasuke and naruto in kcm 1 blitz him and even edo madara scales to kcm 2 naruto
Old whitebeard:🤯
Madara:🤯
Prime whitebeard:☠️☠️
Six paths madara:☠️💀
Six paths madara and prime whitebeard aren't equivalent comparisons cause madara can't just use 6 paths.
What game is at the back?
Mans never heard of aim Dodging lol
I agree Madara with his abilities like genjusu could just end the fight if he does it but because he doesn't like using genjusu unless have to but it still doesn't take the fact Madara could just genjusu whitebeard down to his knees honestly I still say Madara wins
Genjutsu affects one's flow of chakra that's how it works and wb has no Chakra so there's literally no point here, genjutsu is useless in the one piece world
@@maqknight well there's haki, and if they lived in the same world, madara would absolutely neg
@@oarnondaily haki isn't chakra though...
@@oarnondaily If we equalize chakra and haki, then genjutsu would be easily countered by haki control by any master of haki, since every haki user can control haki inside his whole body and concentrate it on certain parts of his body.
@@manlight5035 it affects literally pathways in the brain that don't exist for one piece characters even if you equalize the energy it doesn't magically give one piece characters Chakra pathways
Probably the worst Naruto scalers I’ve seen in my life 😭 Jesus the down play is fucking wild
His a one piece creator what do you expect?
do madara vs rocks d. xebec, a character that needed 2 forces from the world of OP to be defeated
5:10 wb got stabbed in the diaphram at thw beginning of marineford and vefore his death still gave a speech.
Agreed but I do think Jubbi Mardara slams tho
This is pretty close but if we are talking about final form Madara and prime Whitebeard I'm still giving it to Madara who has better had and AP
nah still give it to wb cause bro letteraly destroys a star lvl planet
@@iprince7934 no he doesn't.
His devil fruit can destroy the planet through natural disasters not in one big attack.
@@justnojustn3036 no i get how ur thinking but wb is much more powerful than that his casualy able to shift tectonic plates .a multi continental feat .whith out haki which is a 150 x multiplier not to mention aokiji was able to freeze a one peice ocean which is the size of jupiter so wb should be multi planetary
@@iprince7934 haki isn't a multiplayer and it doesn't change the effectiveness of a devil fruit. His muti Continental feats should be the same with or without haki . It only makes his normal punches stronger.
The one piece ocean isn't the size of Jupiter as well and aokiji never froze the entire ocean
@@justnojustn3036 ok bro u need to wathc one peice raleigh clearly states thats haki make the user stronger not to mention luffy haki has increased and his fighting kaido in baseruclips.net/video/EmENirtZSik/видео.html
hold up wdym "before completely collapsing!? whitebeard was still standing after he died so idk about completely collapsing
My question is why does anybody assume haki negates genjutsu and why? Explain how because I watched both anime and it can't negate any genjutsu.
Because they are biased
madara speed feats- darui uses light speed attack and ms sasuke reacts to it. ms sasuke then gets blitzed by raikage. raikage then gets blitzed by kcm 1 naruto who then got amped into kcm2 and still got handled like a child by base madara. LS
Izanagi isn’t even needed in this fight if you put ten tails jinchuriki madara against wb he will just regenerate every attack whitebeard does to him also true seeking orbs are no joke too but if you want overkill madara could just use infinite tsukiyomi and fights over even with prime wb so this comparison was stupid asl yall had garbage takes about speed madara just slaps in every aspect never debate again 💯🗣
The Uchiha basically invented “Full Counter” from 7DS with the “Uchiha Reflection”
8:07 NAHHHH my man did NOT just bring up the 72 times faster than the raikage thing *unironically* 💀💀💀
More coherent than any autistic one piece wank calc.