Mean comment, as requested: Remember the mortuary scene back in Season 1? The one where the coroner tells Miller about the life expectancy on Earth being 130 or something and *even better on Mars*, but only 60 something in The Belt. That's how Sauveterre can be almost 80 and look how he does. While we're at it, do you also remember early in S1 when Avasarala is on the roof with her grandson watching a meteor shower and saying that she get's nervous about people who throw rocks? The writers play the long game here and there ;-). I'm glad you're enjoying S5 so much :)
Looked to make sure this was posted. I assume they have treatments that slow the effects of aging so you don't spend your last 50 years as a shriveled up raisin
I feel like an absolute moron, having watched the show like 3 times in full length watch alongs, but i only recently realised the belter that Avasarala was torturing in episode 1 was stealing stealth composites for Marco Inaros, and not for Mao. But on that note, yeah those hints were already there in season 1.
The camera work is even more impressive when you factor in that Cara Gee was pregnant while shooting this season. I think she was at eight months when they did her most emotional scene. The way they set up the shots really works.
Nerdy: "If that hits the ocean we're fine...". As long as you don't live by the ocean, or close enough to get hit by biblicaly scaled tsunamis washing inland.
Depending upon the size of the rock, its speed, it's angle of impact, and the depth of the ocean at the point of impact, it would be expected that the rock would readily slice through the water and slam into the ocean floor, where the force of the impact would generate so much heat that the ocean floor material will be rendered molten. The molten material will then be ejected into the atmosphere and travel many miles before descending back to Earth and igniting fires wherever it lands inshore from the point of impact.
@@Yesquire0It was one of my favorite ideas from Lucifer's Hammer; the ocean gets hit, vaporizes to the bed, and the pressure of the steam prevents the surrounding water from rushing in. No idea if it'd actually happen, but the visual would be amazing.
The “disconnected” plotlines in season 4 (Avasarala, Bobbie, Camina/Ashford) were just doing the setup so they could hit the ground running in season 5.
If you've paid ultra-attention, you can deduce that Marco, a slingshotter in his youth as Christjen says this episode, used gravitational slingshots via planets, moons, and presumably the sun (see episode 1) to speed these rocks up so that they don't hit with a few megatons of energy, as that expert estimated, but a few DOZEN megatons (see that same ep. 1 rock). Takes a lot of time and precision, but anyone who knows how kinetic energy works (3x faster = 9x more energy) can see why someone who wants to cause maximum damage would do it. THAT's the degree to which this show cares about scientific and character-background details, and God do I love it for that!
True, but strictly speaking, you can only use the Sun for a direction adjustment, not a speed increase. A true gravity assist slingshot takes energy from an orbital body.
@@MattNolanCustom The Sun can definitely be used for a speed increase, as the Earth is deeper in the Sun's gravity well than the outer planets. (Assuming that is where Marco's crew did their work.) But I agree that, for these asteroid weapons, the velocity would be from the initial launching and falling to the Earth, rather than from orbital maneuvers.
Drummer's "Stay with me" to Oksana hits so hard because, as you noted, we have never seen her show vulnerability before. Lots of emotional body blows this season. Very different than the action-fueled rocket shot of S3, but just as strong.
The Belter neck tattoo is meant to resemble the burn scars that older Belters got from their early, cheap spacesuits. The helmet seal ring would have exposed metal on the inside, and with the extreme temperature changes in space, it’d mark the wearer’s skin. We saw that Dawes had the OG scarring; younger patriotic Belters - especially OPA types - get the tattoo.
Admiral Souther stepped down as Fleet Commander since he disagreed with the UN destroying Deimos. Avasarala didn't want him to step down, but he made that choice, so that he could transfer to a battlegroup to minimize casualties. As for the age of the Martian admiral. In season one there is a statement that the life expentancy on Earth is about 123 and on Mars it's even higher.
Some fun details in this one - in the scene with the fisherman on the beach when the asteroid hits, if you pay close attention you can see the clouds rapidly boil away to nothing, and then burns begin to form on his face well before that blast wave gets anywhere near him. That's how much heat that impact blast is putting off.
Episode 1x04, the coroner on Ceres: _"You know what the average life expectancy on Earth is?_ _123 years. It's even better on Mars."_ 80 is the new 50 in The Expanse.
Some notes. In episode 1 of this season Holden and Monica were in that bar, being watched by two Belters who toasted Holden. They were the Douru brothers, the two guys who kidnapped Monica and arranged to move her off station. Kill the kidnappers, cover your tracks. Yes, Drummer's family is exactly that. There are some other crew members on the ships but the main group is the ploy-fam. Sauveterre, the name of the Martian Admiral, means save Earth. Lastly remember, that Filp is a child soldier. He has been indoctrinated and raised to do terrible things, which he did to get kindness and respect out of his father. He has not been exposed to other perspectives because everyone around his father is a supported of his father.
Mother - Naomi, Earth. Also, Chrisjen didn't demote Souther, he stepped down because Sorento-Gillis and Errinwright were going to do it for him. Chrisjen was still playing a role at that point, she couldn't stand up for him yet because she had to appear ignorant to Errinwright's plans.
Human lifespan in The Expanse is a lot longer, well at least for Earthers and Martians. If you remember the Miller mortician scene from Season one. 120 years is the Earther average now, Mars longer than that... but Ceres was 63. They also mention growing organs and organ replacement in the books. Given their tech, probably all major organs can be regrown.
season 5 is definitely my favorite, the tension of before and after the rocks fall isn't something I've really ever felt anywhere else, and it was set up in the very first episode of the series! If you'll remember, the first time we see Avasarala is when she's interrogating a belter who had gotten their hands on stealth composites, and never figured out for what... And later tells her grandson she worries about people throw rocks.. honestly masterful work and payoff
This particular episode really did it for me this season. The whole season is fantastic for sure, and just so you know when this was released Amazon dropped these first three all at once. Then made us wait a week for episode 4. LOL The guy with Holden and Fred is named Carlos De Baca, everyone calls him "Bull". He's an old friend from Fred's past in the marine corps. He fell on hard financial times on Earth and Fred offered him Drummers old job on Tycho. I'm so glad you picked up on Drummers polyam-belterfam there. It's a belter thing that happens sometimes, fairly normal in the culture. They have to function as a crew and a family simultaneously, so they come to love and depend on each other.
Expanse episode titles often have double meanings. Mother Earth, the cradle of humankind is attacked. Drummer is, in a way, the mother figure in the poly-am belter-fam. Filip meets his Mother again after almost 2 decades.
The production quality of seasons 5 and 6 is off the charts, definitely cast and crew at the peak of their powers. Jeremy Benning (the DP) should have gotten an Emmy, and Dominique Tipper too.
I don't know about 6, the set pieces were epic, but things like Tycho being reduced to the 1 Set (the Bar and a couple corridors) felt like a show that was ending quickly as opposed to something at the height of its appeal. I definitely get GoT rush to finish vibes from S6, which seems to be a thing with these shows that explode in popularity.
@@mattybob12310The second studio which had been used for S4-6 was no longer accessible thanks to waterfront redevelopment and the only viable replacement available was an event space (which has more build restrictions than the converted-factory studio where Tycho Station and Mars Concourse once lived). Plus, more sets (as in number of locations) were required for S6 than previous seasons. Some stages were so crammed, it a struggle to find enough room for crew and gear. And we were in the height of the pandemic - which meant increased production costs in order to comply with regulations. Yet, they brought back almost as full a crew as other seasons. With the COVID department, it was perhaps more. I assure you, mountains were moved in order to get all the builds done and shoot on the same scale as previous seasons. Not to mention an entire stage where an alien forest was built and then removed for other builds to go in. At the end of it all, essential sets, costumes, and props were carefully catalogued and stored with a gallon of hope. People lingered on their last days, and tears were shed as each one left “home” at our base studio. I’m sorry you didn’t have as rich a viewing experience but I can assure you no one was rushing to leave and no expense was spared in making season 6, even though there were more things to spend money on. It was a minor miracle we were able to get what we got given the times in which it was filmed. (I know our directive is to never argue with fans online about this stuff, but I’ve had a couple and I’ll die on this hill.)
I like the eldest child, middle child, youngest child analogy. I never thought about Earth, Mars, and the Belt like that, but it makes a lot of sense. And yes, the impact scene is unbelievably cool. Love it.
Avarsarela did not "demote" Admiral Souther. He chose to step down as Chief of the Joint Military Staff, and then he took Command of the Jupiter Fleet until he was relieved of his command by Nguyen.
Drummer’s polycule is great touch. And it makes sense, really. You’ll have small, tight-knit crews that are cooped up for months and months. Unlike the Roci which goes more from A to B and docks for long periods, pirates like Drummer’s faction spend much more time out in space. It’s a self-sustaining collective just with more piracy and less gardening than you stereotypical hippie commune. It’s a chosen family, a corporation, and a crew with ranks all in one. No doubt lots of drama still. Either way, it’s just nice to see Drummer as something other than just the force of nature she otherwise is, and have her be surrounded by people who love her. And Cara Gee is absolutely killing it, and will continue to just murder her role for the rest of the series. P.S. Drummer’s raccoon eyes are probably permanent, so yeah, she does wake up in full makeup.
What I love about this episode is how scientifically accurate they managed to depict the impact. There may be some very minor nitpicks that experts have had but overall it's probably the most accurate depiction of how such an impact would look like in contemporary TV/movies. E.g. did you notice how the skin of the guy reacts to the impact earlier than the actual shockwave? How the clouds dissolve in the sky?
I love Drummer's Polycule. So glad they carried that aspect of Michio Pa's character over from the books when they incorporated her role into Drummer. Also just glad in general they kept Gee's Drummer around and put her in other fitting roles from the books. Really top tier adaptation.
Fun fact: this episode was directed by Thomas Jane. Of course TV directing works differently from movie directing, but I wonder how involved he was on the visual side.
The first 3 episodes of this season reminds me of Alfred Hitchcock talking about suspense: something like if 2 people are talking about baseball and a bomb under the table suddenly goes off the audience is momentarily shocked, but it passes. But if you show the audience a bomb under the table to the audience and the 2 people keep talking about baseball? That's suspense!
I'm figuring Drummer's "makeup" is tattooed. Karal called Filip "Bosslet" rather than "Bosmang." LOL. Bosslet. Avasarala did not send Souther to the Jupiter Fleet. By then, she had come to trust Souther (who had already covered her butt when he caught her in a lie). Souther voluntarily stepped down as Fleet senior commander and was reassigned, probably by Nguyen (who then became his boss) to the Jupiter Fleet. She actually lost an ally. That said, it was Avasarala's idea to destroy Deimos that caused Souther to resign, so from the military point of view, it was her politics that forced Souther away. Amazon released the first three episodes of this season at once. Knowing how much they love cliffhangers, I figured immediately that the rock must strike Earth as the cliffhanger to the third episode.
@@kirkdarling4120granted, but as far as Souther knew, it was Errinwright's idea that Avasarala backed. He still thought she was a warmonger though, as made clear in their talk at the bar later. I think it is just a bit much to say that he stepped down due to her actions when if she hadn't acted, the outcome would have been worse. Semantics, I guess.
Nerdy’s eldest, middle child and youngest child analogy is really insightful. Like I have a huge amount of time for that, it was awesome. Also the fact that Dominique Tripper didn’t win an Emmy for this season is criminal.
Regarding Sauveterre being so old, around this time Fred Johnson is around 70 years old. In the book anyway, it's possible he's younger in the show, but remember that the Roci has an Auto-doc machine that can regrow fingers and cure cancer. Imagine what an actual hospital can do in this future.
1:18 that was him assuming a standard metorite, like a natural thing, these things have been sped up and that throws the calculations way off. 23:53 I really like this analogy! 25:19 there was a short conversation about average lifespan somewhere in the show previously, and 120 average would make us assume what you came to as a conclusion, that aging would not look the same as we would suspect. and yes, I am fairly certain Avasarala would be 100 if not older still. (well, the wiki says she's about 70 at the start of the series.) All Martians did military service.
I've always believed that "Mother" refers to what that guy on the beach must have mumbled to himself when he realized what was happening, just like Daffy Duck often said when he knew he was about to be clobberred so hard his beak would fall off.
24:46 one interesting tidbit here is that we all know Alex has a very heavy southern accent while being from Mars. The Cowboy bar kind of hints at it, but where Alex is from on mars was settled by a bunch of Texans, not everyone was, but it became the main cultural touchstone for many people moving that part of Mars in the early days. So his Drawl is much more in common with a Minnesotan sounding Swedish or a Italian in New York, other than just Texan being in space. Which goes back to how you describe Martians trying to emulate Earth culture.
I think the problem with zero g boning is it seems like you'd need to, shall we say, balance thrusts... to avoid momentum problems hurling you every which way.
One asteroid might not be a big deal, depending on where it touches the surface of Earth Multiple asteroids, no matter where they hit, it will make damages On short and long term
The dinos literally died from one big hitting Earth (presumed). Ok possible explanation a 10km wide planetary extinct level asteroid would have needed way too stealth material so these were way smaller.@@axlm.808
I simnply love your Expanse reactions, you two. I already enjoy the full reactions on your Patreon, but I come here and hit all the buttons to keep on supporting you via all possible channels. Your perspectives are interesting to say the least. Keep them coming, you two. The best of this show is currently surrounding you and will carry you both to the final episode in season 6! :) Also, Martians tend to live for an average 150 years. Only one third Earth's gravity and intense work outs trying to terra form Mars via hard work, such things tend to pay off.
So for comparison the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki was 21 kilo tons. 1000 kilo tons = 1 Mega ton. So let's say the this rock produced a blast of 2 Mega tons. That's 95 times as strong as the Nagasaki bomb.
I pretty much haven't stopped rewatching this show since it finished. Either I am rewatching it myself or watching reacts to it. I am often one of the dickhead commentors griping about about Nerdy's takes but honestly hearing how people take in the show, even if it differs from my experience, is all part of the fun of seeing someone else experience it for the first time. Y'all are great and I will be sad when it is over. Not sure when we will get another show with this overall quality. Even the seasons that are weaker are better than most stuff I have seen since and rewatches make the earlier seasons stronger because you realize how many of the events are quietly telegraphed going back to episode 1, season 1. On Sauveterre's age and human age in general, medical technology has increased our longevity with anti-aging drugs and such. I think at some point they mention the average human lifespan is something like 120y and Avasarala is probably near, or over, 100 and still very vital. Basically everyone is at least 10 -20 years older than they look. Basically all humans have like Aragorn/Numenorean lifespans and aging in The Expanse due to technology and global lifestyle changes. Sauveterre is probably like 70 with anti-aging drugs giving him the functional vitality of someone 20 years younger. Bobbie had been a Martian marine for 12 years before we meet her, so figure she is closing in on 40 but looks like her mid 20s. I also wonder if Belters and Martian's just look younger because they spend so much time in low-G environments. It makes that lack of jobs on earth even more heartbreaking since people are literally waiting for decades for job placement unless they are lucky or rich enough to jump the line. Mars in particular has even better science and their people are placed in jobs based on aptitude tests at a young age and he greater needs. Like Alex didn't do well enough in Martian terms to be a combat pilot but as we see he was 100% capable.
For context, the biggest ever is 57ish MT, the Tsar Bomba. They had to cut it back from 100 MT so that the bomber could get away in time. 4 MT would be on the small end for Cold War devices until they started going to MIRVs because really big bombs are really inefficient (most just goes up into space or into the ground rather than going out to a horizontally bigger boom).
Now that you've seen, i can finally comment this: there are few characters in all of fiction i dispise more than Marco for what he did. but clading asteroids in stealth and putting them on trajectories, so in months they hit earth is brilliant and i cannot help but to respect the sh*t out of it!
On the effect of an asteroid hitting the ocean: Look at the sea wall surrounding the statue of liberty when they show views of the NYC skyline; it shows how high seal levels have risen and how high the sea walls protecting cities are. Every major city is now that far below sea level and protected by a massive sea wall. All the asteroid needs to do is create a shockwave and tsunami large enough to break the sea wall. Earth in the expanse would take far more damage from an asteroid strike than we would now.
S01E04 the coroner says to Miller that the average life expectancy on Earth is 123, better on Mars, belt is 68. So for the inner planets 75 is the new 40...
The problem with the meteor hitting the ocean (even if it is only a 13km radius) is that its kinetic energy has to bleed off which will produce one nasty tsunami now racing to every coast on that body of water.
Avasarala has all grey hair in the books. Also cork is, surprisingly not running out in our world AFAIK because it's renewable, it's thick bark that they shave of a type of oak tree in Portugal every 8 years.
Weird for me to see Sandrine Holt as a Belter (Drummer's XO Oksana). I realize it was almost 30 years ago, but I still remember her from the (Canadian) syndicated series "John Woo's Once A Thief".
The general consensus is that season 4 was lackluster compared to the first 3. Thats also true for the books. What makes both season 4 and book 4 important is that you need them to truly understand what's at stake in the next 3 books. It's import effects the events in books 5, 6, and 7. ( The focus changes in 8 and 9, but the legacy is still there. ) For the show, everything that happens in seasons 5 and 6 happens because of things shown in season 4. Just as Naomi couldn't adjust to life on a planets surface, many belters also could not. So, with many people moving to one of the planets through the ring gates, belters were about to be forgotten to death. This is what Marco was fighting against.
"If you hate the idea of a polyamorous bisexual space pirate queen, please do not buy [the next Expanse book]" - Ty Franck, ensuring that I would buy that book in multiple formats
it's not full make up. drummer's eye shadow is tattooed. and yes, they're a polyamorous crew. and if you guys are fascinated with the props and set design, you should watch adam savage's set visit. the breakfast takeout box from that time bobbie slept with that navy guy in mars. the details are frickin' amazing.
So you didn't think the title mother could mean mother earth? :) Now the asteroid- he quoted 1-4 megatons, estimating speed the others could be faster and guessed on size based on the remaining bits after it broke up. Just for context Hiroshima was about 1.5 megatons and Nagasaki was just over 2 megatons if I remember right. Also if they hit square on not to bad but if they hit at an angle it with throw a lot of debris in to the air, like what killed the dinosaurs as it blocked out the sun! Back in season one, the coroner mentions the AVERAGE life expectancy on earth is 128 even better on Mars, Ceres its 67 and going down with all this trouble. REALLY looking forward to the rest of this series.
They were 15 and 21 kilotons, respectively. The "Trinity" test bomb in New Mexico was 22 kilotons. The first "megaton" bombs were developed after WWII.
Once you get above a certain size, the angle of incidence makes no difference whatsoever. Stuff gets thrown in all directions because the massive kinetic energy dissipates like an explosion. Look at the Moon. Almost all the craters are round. There are no large oval ones.
This show gets even better with rewatches. You realize there’s no fat in the series. Every single scene, minor character, throwaway line… all of it is giving you clues to what happens in this season and the next. On the first watch, though, there’s no way to know how those clues will all come together… plus you’re getting dazzled by a shot or punched in the gut every few minutes which means you’re going to miss some things.
Chrisjen didn't demote Souther. He reigned but was essentially forced into it by Erremwright (though in truth he did most of the work himself). Chrisjen did oppose his position but only as part of a longer term political strategy.
On the matter of age (He's 70?!!), go back to season one where the medical examiner is talking to Miller over average life expectancy values. People in the timeline live a lot longer (unless of course they're Belters).
as I recall Souther told the president he was stepping down due to the fact they were going to fire on Mars. Avaserella wasn't involved in him stepping down.
Have you two heard of the game called "Star Citizen"? In my opinion, it is the most realistic space game/sim. It's in alpha testing but anyone can play. You have to pledge some money, as low as $45, and you get a ship in the game. There are tons of videos on youtube about it. I kinda get to live a 2nd life as if I were in the expanse. You can go from a planets surface to orbit with no load screens, and the planet's surface is beautifully rendered. I think you two would love it. Also because it's in alpha testing, there are lots of bug/crashes, but its worth it.
I think he meant in relation to striking a metropolis, but yes hitting some remote land would be better. Though a 13 megaton blast may not make as big a tsunami as you think, the underwater earthquakes that produce the deadliest tsunamis release energy in the order of billions or trillions of tons of TNT.
@@dekulruno that's something that bugged me about this, for the level of catastrophe they talk about, the yields would have to have been at least in the 100s of megatons range. The Castle Bravo test was 15mt, and the russian Tsar Bomb was 50ish.
'Way back in the 60s I read an analysis by Isaac Asimov comparing the effects of a meteor striking the middle of the Pacific to the same meteor striking the middle of the US. He provided numbers indicating that the ocean strike would actually have the worse long-term climate effects.
Lore question for book readers: As I understand it, Mars was initially settled by some American pioneer-types; roughnecks and ranchers. Hence the cowboy aesthetics and Texan accents. And of course many East Asian and Pacific workers escaping climate change and poverty. But how did Mars manage to transform from what I’d imagine would be a collection of ultra-individualistic, libertarian types into this highly regimented, militarized society? Aesthetics aside, Mars seems to have (or have had, pre-Ring) a much more common-good, self-sacrificing ethos than Earth, despite its settlers’ presumed individualism. Necessity is one thing - the planet isn’t habitable by itself - and having Earth as a common enemy helps a lot too, but I imagine there would have been a lot of infighting too.
@@Justanotherconsumer good answer. I just can’t help but think that dying for the state (and personal glory) is somewhat different than living and toiling for it, and Martians do a lot of that too it seems. I just imagine getting a bunch of independent homesteaders to all pitch in on a generational, communal project like terraforming would have been difficult. “I gots air for me and mine, so I don’t much care what the rest of y’all do”. Sure, fascism and individualism aren’t too far apart in that both love to have their “us” vs “others”, but the Martian totalitarianism - regardless of ideological flavor - is what seems at somewhat at odds with the both the ethos and aesthetic of the rugged individualists. But, yeah, I could see it go that way.
@@MattNolanCustom I’d rather not? But joking aside, you’re right there are parallels. But I also don’t see the US of today really, truly working collectively toward a single common-good goal across multiple generations like the Mars terraforming project. Granted, no there’s no real outside pressure to do so, but still, I think someone would secede if such a project was drawn up. “Defeating communism” is perhaps the longest running US project, so it does sort of happen, I suppose, even if that was more outward destruction than inward construction.
@@ferchrissakes fair. The US doesn't have the organisation or unified goal, but the militarisation and aggression is right up there. I think the book lore is more that scientists and other great boundary-pushing minds went and settled Mars and the first goal was terraforming. When they first mooted independence from Earth (read old Europe/British Empire in recent history terms) that led to near-war and the subsequent militarisation. All out war was only avoided by exchanging the Epstein Drive technology for independence, IIRC.
Guys - being a bit down on Season 4 is not going to cost you points with the fan base. I think it's pretty widely seen as the lowest season, and that's not the TV crew's fault - it's the weakest book as well. Still good, but not as jaw-droppingly stunning as what had come before or what would follow.
So I don't know exactly when they come into widespread use, but anti-aging drugs are a thing in the Expanse universe. You guys probably already know that the last three books, which didn't get adapted into TV seasons, take place 30 years after season 6, so all the main characters should probably be in their 60's or 70's at least, but they have been taking anti-aging drugs for a while, which means they are a lot more youthful and spry at that advanced age than we are in our modern times! I mean, it makes sense, medical technology has been extending human life for quite a while now. If they could condense that into a pill and sell it, they totally would. And people would buy it. I know I would! It's just a matter of getting good enough at manipulating human genetics.
Mean comment, as requested: Remember the mortuary scene back in Season 1? The one where the coroner tells Miller about the life expectancy on Earth being 130 or something and *even better on Mars*, but only 60 something in The Belt. That's how Sauveterre can be almost 80 and look how he does. While we're at it, do you also remember early in S1 when Avasarala is on the roof with her grandson watching a meteor shower and saying that she get's nervous about people who throw rocks? The writers play the long game here and there ;-). I'm glad you're enjoying S5 so much :)
I also figure that lower gravity on Mars allows for greater longevity.
@@Yourmanjeff Yes, lower, but significant enough to provide the heart and muscles the work they need for proper development. Sweet spot.
Looked to make sure this was posted. I assume they have treatments that slow the effects of aging so you don't spend your last 50 years as a shriveled up raisin
There was also the Earther who Bobbie traded her osteo-x for directions. That guy said he was 59, but he looked mid-thirties.
I feel like an absolute moron, having watched the show like 3 times in full length watch alongs, but i only recently realised the belter that Avasarala was torturing in episode 1 was stealing stealth composites for Marco Inaros, and not for Mao.
But on that note, yeah those hints were already there in season 1.
The camera work is even more impressive when you factor in that Cara Gee was pregnant while shooting this season. I think she was at eight months when they did her most emotional scene. The way they set up the shots really works.
Nerdy: "Season 5 rocks!"
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FYI, don't know if you noticed in the opening credits but this episode was directed by Thomas Jane.
Nerdy: "If that hits the ocean we're fine...". As long as you don't live by the ocean, or close enough to get hit by biblicaly scaled tsunamis washing inland.
Depending upon the size of the rock, its speed, it's angle of impact, and the depth of the ocean at the point of impact, it would be expected that the rock would readily slice through the water and slam into the ocean floor, where the force of the impact would generate so much heat that the ocean floor material will be rendered molten. The molten material will then be ejected into the atmosphere and travel many miles before descending back to Earth and igniting fires wherever it lands inshore from the point of impact.
dude, i thought exactly the same thing almost word for word! i'm pretty sure he didn't really think that through.😆😆😆
@@Yesquire0At those velocities water basically acts like a solid, there's no slicing through it.
@@Yesquire0It was one of my favorite ideas from Lucifer's Hammer; the ocean gets hit, vaporizes to the bed, and the pressure of the steam prevents the surrounding water from rushing in. No idea if it'd actually happen, but the visual would be amazing.
There are also much more than one. Earth is going to be struck again, and again, and again, and again.....
The “disconnected” plotlines in season 4 (Avasarala, Bobbie, Camina/Ashford) were just doing the setup so they could hit the ground running in season 5.
They don't have the context yet to know this.
If you've paid ultra-attention, you can deduce that Marco, a slingshotter in his youth as Christjen says this episode, used gravitational slingshots via planets, moons, and presumably the sun (see episode 1) to speed these rocks up so that they don't hit with a few megatons of energy, as that expert estimated, but a few DOZEN megatons (see that same ep. 1 rock). Takes a lot of time and precision, but anyone who knows how kinetic energy works (3x faster = 9x more energy) can see why someone who wants to cause maximum damage would do it. THAT's the degree to which this show cares about scientific and character-background details, and God do I love it for that!
Yes, I agree. That scientist would not have had the information that the meteor would have been coming in at an artificially increased velocity.
Force = Mass x Acceleration.
Also probably harder to track then a simple straight line (stealth tech or not)
True, but strictly speaking, you can only use the Sun for a direction adjustment, not a speed increase. A true gravity assist slingshot takes energy from an orbital body.
@@MattNolanCustom The Sun can definitely be used for a speed increase, as the Earth is deeper in the Sun's gravity well than the outer planets. (Assuming that is where Marco's crew did their work.) But I agree that, for these asteroid weapons, the velocity would be from the initial launching and falling to the Earth, rather than from orbital maneuvers.
Drummer's "Stay with me" to Oksana hits so hard because, as you noted, we have never seen her show vulnerability before. Lots of emotional body blows this season. Very different than the action-fueled rocket shot of S3, but just as strong.
The Belter neck tattoo is meant to resemble the burn scars that older Belters got from their early, cheap spacesuits. The helmet seal ring would have exposed metal on the inside, and with the extreme temperature changes in space, it’d mark the wearer’s skin. We saw that Dawes had the OG scarring; younger patriotic Belters - especially OPA types - get the tattoo.
Admiral Souther stepped down as Fleet Commander since he disagreed with the UN destroying Deimos.
Avasarala didn't want him to step down, but he made that choice, so that he could transfer to a battlegroup to minimize casualties.
As for the age of the Martian admiral. In season one there is a statement that the life expentancy on Earth is about 123 and on Mars it's even higher.
Some fun details in this one - in the scene with the fisherman on the beach when the asteroid hits, if you pay close attention you can see the clouds rapidly boil away to nothing, and then burns begin to form on his face well before that blast wave gets anywhere near him. That's how much heat that impact blast is putting off.
Episode 1x04, the coroner on Ceres:
_"You know what the average life expectancy on Earth is?_
_123 years. It's even better on Mars."_
80 is the new 50 in The Expanse.
Some notes. In episode 1 of this season Holden and Monica were in that bar, being watched by two Belters who toasted Holden. They were the Douru brothers, the two guys who kidnapped Monica and arranged to move her off station. Kill the kidnappers, cover your tracks.
Yes, Drummer's family is exactly that. There are some other crew members on the ships but the main group is the ploy-fam.
Sauveterre, the name of the Martian Admiral, means save Earth.
Lastly remember, that Filp is a child soldier. He has been indoctrinated and raised to do terrible things, which he did to get kindness and respect out of his father. He has not been exposed to other perspectives because everyone around his father is a supported of his father.
Sauveterre means safe land or safe place, not save Earth. It's a town in southern France.
Mother - Naomi, Earth.
Also, Chrisjen didn't demote Souther, he stepped down because Sorento-Gillis and Errinwright were going to do it for him. Chrisjen was still playing a role at that point, she couldn't stand up for him yet because she had to appear ignorant to Errinwright's plans.
Chrisjen didn't demote Souther, he voluntarily stood down as Fleet Admiral and was then given command of the UN Jovian Fleet.
Human lifespan in The Expanse is a lot longer, well at least for Earthers and Martians. If you remember the Miller mortician scene from Season one. 120 years is the Earther average now, Mars longer than that... but Ceres was 63. They also mention growing organs and organ replacement in the books. Given their tech, probably all major organs can be regrown.
season 5 is definitely my favorite, the tension of before and after the rocks fall isn't something I've really ever felt anywhere else, and it was set up in the very first episode of the series!
If you'll remember, the first time we see Avasarala is when she's interrogating a belter who had gotten their hands on stealth composites, and never figured out for what... And later tells her grandson she worries about people throw rocks.. honestly masterful work and payoff
This particular episode really did it for me this season. The whole season is fantastic for sure, and just so you know when this was released Amazon dropped these first three all at once. Then made us wait a week for episode 4. LOL The guy with Holden and Fred is named Carlos De Baca, everyone calls him "Bull". He's an old friend from Fred's past in the marine corps. He fell on hard financial times on Earth and Fred offered him Drummers old job on Tycho. I'm so glad you picked up on Drummers polyam-belterfam there. It's a belter thing that happens sometimes, fairly normal in the culture. They have to function as a crew and a family simultaneously, so they come to love and depend on each other.
I've always perceived the "Mother" title to reference mother Earth.
Expanse episode titles often have double meanings. Mother Earth, the cradle of humankind is attacked. Drummer is, in a way, the mother figure in the poly-am belter-fam. Filip meets his Mother again after almost 2 decades.
The production quality of seasons 5 and 6 is off the charts, definitely cast and crew at the peak of their powers. Jeremy Benning (the DP) should have gotten an Emmy, and Dominique Tipper too.
I don't know about 6, the set pieces were epic, but things like Tycho being reduced to the 1 Set (the Bar and a couple corridors) felt like a show that was ending quickly as opposed to something at the height of its appeal. I definitely get GoT rush to finish vibes from S6, which seems to be a thing with these shows that explode in popularity.
Dominique Tipper deserved SO much more attention for her work this season
@@mattybob12310The second studio which had been used for S4-6 was no longer accessible thanks to waterfront redevelopment and the only viable replacement available was an event space (which has more build restrictions than the converted-factory studio where Tycho Station and Mars Concourse once lived).
Plus, more sets (as in number of locations) were required for S6 than previous seasons. Some stages were so crammed, it a struggle to find enough room for crew and gear.
And we were in the height of the pandemic - which meant increased production costs in order to comply with regulations. Yet, they brought back almost as full a crew as other seasons. With the COVID department, it was perhaps more.
I assure you, mountains were moved in order to get all the builds done and shoot on the same scale as previous seasons. Not to mention an entire stage where an alien forest was built and then removed for other builds to go in.
At the end of it all, essential sets, costumes, and props were carefully catalogued and stored with a gallon of hope. People lingered on their last days, and tears were shed as each one left “home” at our base studio.
I’m sorry you didn’t have as rich a viewing experience but I can assure you no one was rushing to leave and no expense was spared in making season 6, even though there were more things to spend money on.
It was a minor miracle we were able to get what we got given the times in which it was filmed.
(I know our directive is to never argue with fans online about this stuff, but I’ve had a couple and I’ll die on this hill.)
DOMINIQUE MFing TIPPER WORKKKSSS THIS SEASON!!!!!
Dominique deserves all the awards for what she's got coming up
I like the eldest child, middle child, youngest child analogy. I never thought about Earth, Mars, and the Belt like that, but it makes a lot of sense.
And yes, the impact scene is unbelievably cool. Love it.
"Are they a polycule?"
And now you know why they're all Tycho 8's or higher.
Avarsarela did not "demote" Admiral Souther. He chose to step down as Chief of the Joint Military Staff, and then he took Command of the Jupiter Fleet until he was relieved of his command by Nguyen.
Drummer’s polycule is great touch. And it makes sense, really. You’ll have small, tight-knit crews that are cooped up for months and months. Unlike the Roci which goes more from A to B and docks for long periods, pirates like Drummer’s faction spend much more time out in space. It’s a self-sustaining collective just with more piracy and less gardening than you stereotypical hippie commune. It’s a chosen family, a corporation, and a crew with ranks all in one. No doubt lots of drama still. Either way, it’s just nice to see Drummer as something other than just the force of nature she otherwise is, and have her be surrounded by people who love her. And Cara Gee is absolutely killing it, and will continue to just murder her role for the rest of the series.
P.S. Drummer’s raccoon eyes are probably permanent, so yeah, she does wake up in full makeup.
"I don't trust that security guard."
That was exactly my thought the whole time.
What I love about this episode is how scientifically accurate they managed to depict the impact. There may be some very minor nitpicks that experts have had but overall it's probably the most accurate depiction of how such an impact would look like in contemporary TV/movies.
E.g. did you notice how the skin of the guy reacts to the impact earlier than the actual shockwave? How the clouds dissolve in the sky?
I love Drummer's Polycule. So glad they carried that aspect of Michio Pa's character over from the books when they incorporated her role into Drummer. Also just glad in general they kept Gee's Drummer around and put her in other fitting roles from the books. Really top tier adaptation.
I remember when this season was airing, the cast that played them all tweeted under the hashtag #PolyAmBelterFam
Fun fact: this episode was directed by Thomas Jane. Of course TV directing works differently from movie directing, but I wonder how involved he was on the visual side.
Drummer's one true (unrequited) love has always been Naomi.
That is to be remembered.
The first 3 episodes of this season reminds me of Alfred Hitchcock talking about suspense: something like if 2 people are talking about baseball and a bomb under the table suddenly goes off the audience is momentarily shocked, but it passes. But if you show the audience a bomb under the table to the audience and the 2 people keep talking about baseball? That's suspense!
Hitchcock was a jerk but he knew his stuff.
I'm figuring Drummer's "makeup" is tattooed.
Karal called Filip "Bosslet" rather than "Bosmang." LOL. Bosslet.
Avasarala did not send Souther to the Jupiter Fleet. By then, she had come to trust Souther (who had already covered her butt when he caught her in a lie). Souther voluntarily stepped down as Fleet senior commander and was reassigned, probably by Nguyen (who then became his boss) to the Jupiter Fleet. She actually lost an ally. That said, it was Avasarala's idea to destroy Deimos that caused Souther to resign, so from the military point of view, it was her politics that forced Souther away.
Amazon released the first three episodes of this season at once. Knowing how much they love cliffhangers, I figured immediately that the rock must strike Earth as the cliffhanger to the third episode.
It is tattoo's.
Avasarala's idea to strike Deimos was the smallest escalation possible to resolve the arguing factions in that cabinet room.
@@MattNolanCustom Granted, but it was still the specific reason Souther stepped down as Fleet Commander.
@@kirkdarling4120granted, but as far as Souther knew, it was Errinwright's idea that Avasarala backed. He still thought she was a warmonger though, as made clear in their talk at the bar later. I think it is just a bit much to say that he stepped down due to her actions when if she hadn't acted, the outcome would have been worse. Semantics, I guess.
Nerdy’s eldest, middle child and youngest child analogy is really insightful. Like I have a huge amount of time for that, it was awesome.
Also the fact that Dominique Tripper didn’t win an Emmy for this season is criminal.
Nerdy with the nice call on Amos' perspective coming up.
Regarding Sauveterre being so old, around this time Fred Johnson is around 70 years old. In the book anyway, it's possible he's younger in the show, but remember that the Roci has an Auto-doc machine that can regrow fingers and cure cancer. Imagine what an actual hospital can do in this future.
The Mortician in Season 1 makes a comment to Miller about the life expectancy on Earth and Mars now being into the Hundreds.
@@squaddie67 120 on Earth and even more on Mars
I will spend an entire year watching every episode a reactor has for The Expanse just so I get the most impact watching the next episode.
I see what you did there...
Justice for the Fishfinder Guy. He was just fish watching.
1:18 that was him assuming a standard metorite, like a natural thing, these things have been sped up and that throws the calculations way off.
23:53 I really like this analogy!
25:19 there was a short conversation about average lifespan somewhere in the show previously, and 120 average would make us assume what you came to as a conclusion, that aging would not look the same as we would suspect. and yes, I am fairly certain Avasarala would be 100 if not older still. (well, the wiki says she's about 70 at the start of the series.)
All Martians did military service.
episod one: 'average life expetancy on earth 120, it's even better on Mars..."
20:47 "Season 5 f-ing ROCKS" - dude, word choice.
All that poly am love nest and… y’know.
I've always believed that "Mother" refers to what that guy on the beach must have mumbled to himself when he realized what was happening, just like Daffy Duck often said when he knew he was about to be clobberred so hard his beak would fall off.
LOL! Great. Now that’s permanently in my head and I’ll never see the scene the same way again.
24:46 one interesting tidbit here is that we all know Alex has a very heavy southern accent while being from Mars. The Cowboy bar kind of hints at it, but where Alex is from on mars was settled by a bunch of Texans, not everyone was, but it became the main cultural touchstone for many people moving that part of Mars in the early days. So his Drawl is much more in common with a Minnesotan sounding Swedish or a Italian in New York, other than just Texan being in space. Which goes back to how you describe Martians trying to emulate Earth culture.
Na, Naomi said "daaaaaa", not "dad". And there is indeed anti-aging meds in the universe. ;)
And yeah, this episode and the next are insane.
The next episode is the peak of the show for me.
It’s kinda downhill from there, but when you’re atop Olympus Mons, even the way down is way far up.
@@Justanotherconsumerto each their own...stays on point for me from here.
I think the problem with zero g boning is it seems like you'd need to, shall we say, balance thrusts... to avoid momentum problems hurling you every which way.
An asteroid isn't that big deal.
Dinosaurus: hold my beer
One asteroid might not be a big deal, depending on where it touches the surface of Earth
Multiple asteroids, no matter where they hit, it will make damages
On short and long term
The dinos literally died from one big hitting Earth (presumed). Ok possible explanation a 10km wide planetary extinct level asteroid would have needed way too stealth material so these were way smaller.@@axlm.808
I simnply love your Expanse reactions, you two. I already enjoy the full reactions on your Patreon, but I come here and hit all the buttons to keep on supporting you via all possible channels. Your perspectives are interesting to say the least. Keep them coming, you two. The best of this show is currently surrounding you and will carry you both to the final episode in season 6! :) Also, Martians tend to live for an average 150 years. Only one third Earth's gravity and intense work outs trying to terra form Mars via hard work, such things tend to pay off.
Directed by Thomas Jane!
So for comparison the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki was 21 kilo tons. 1000 kilo tons = 1 Mega ton. So let's say the this rock produced a blast of 2 Mega tons. That's 95 times as strong as the Nagasaki bomb.
"Drummer's people" received the label "Poly-am Belter-fam" all across the internet, before the episode finished airing.
I pretty much haven't stopped rewatching this show since it finished. Either I am rewatching it myself or watching reacts to it.
I am often one of the dickhead commentors griping about about Nerdy's takes but honestly hearing how people take in the show, even if it differs from my experience, is all part of the fun of seeing someone else experience it for the first time. Y'all are great and I will be sad when it is over. Not sure when we will get another show with this overall quality. Even the seasons that are weaker are better than most stuff I have seen since and rewatches make the earlier seasons stronger because you realize how many of the events are quietly telegraphed going back to episode 1, season 1.
On Sauveterre's age and human age in general, medical technology has increased our longevity with anti-aging drugs and such. I think at some point they mention the average human lifespan is something like 120y and Avasarala is probably near, or over, 100 and still very vital. Basically everyone is at least 10 -20 years older than they look. Basically all humans have like Aragorn/Numenorean lifespans and aging in The Expanse due to technology and global lifestyle changes. Sauveterre is probably like 70 with anti-aging drugs giving him the functional vitality of someone 20 years younger. Bobbie had been a Martian marine for 12 years before we meet her, so figure she is closing in on 40 but looks like her mid 20s. I also wonder if Belters and Martian's just look younger because they spend so much time in low-G environments.
It makes that lack of jobs on earth even more heartbreaking since people are literally waiting for decades for job placement unless they are lucky or rich enough to jump the line. Mars in particular has even better science and their people are placed in jobs based on aptitude tests at a young age and he greater needs. Like Alex didn't do well enough in Martian terms to be a combat pilot but as we see he was 100% capable.
Hey Nerdy, FYI Little Boy in Hiroshima was around 15 KILO tons. 4 mega tons ... :) :)
For context, the biggest ever is 57ish MT, the Tsar Bomba. They had to cut it back from 100 MT so that the bomber could get away in time.
4 MT would be on the small end for Cold War devices until they started going to MIRVs because really big bombs are really inefficient (most just goes up into space or into the ground rather than going out to a horizontally bigger boom).
Now that you've seen, i can finally comment this:
there are few characters in all of fiction i dispise more than Marco for what he did.
but clading asteroids in stealth and putting them on trajectories, so in months they hit earth is brilliant and i cannot help but to respect the sh*t out of it!
Most belters are highly communal. They often have group marriages that also double as psudo-corporation business arrangements.
On the effect of an asteroid hitting the ocean: Look at the sea wall surrounding the statue of liberty when they show views of the NYC skyline; it shows how high seal levels have risen and how high the sea walls protecting cities are. Every major city is now that far below sea level and protected by a massive sea wall. All the asteroid needs to do is create a shockwave and tsunami large enough to break the sea wall. Earth in the expanse would take far more damage from an asteroid strike than we would now.
time to have that box of tissues ready for the remainder of the season.
looolololol I am SO glad y’all noticed that godawful reflection of Naomi 😂😂😂 it kills me dead on every rewatch
In the later books they say "with new medicines 60 is the new 30."
S01E04 the coroner says to Miller that the average life expectancy on Earth is 123, better on Mars, belt is 68. So for the inner planets 75 is the new 40...
26:05 That is precisely it! They have very effective life-prolonging medicine!
The problem with the meteor hitting the ocean (even if it is only a 13km radius) is that its kinetic energy has to bleed off which will produce one nasty tsunami now racing to every coast on that body of water.
Finally found the PolyamBelterFam
The wild Marco used stealth rock!
Avasarala has all grey hair in the books. Also cork is, surprisingly not running out in our world AFAIK because it's renewable, it's thick bark that they shave of a type of oak tree in Portugal every 8 years.
Drummer Faction = #polyambeltafam
Weird for me to see Sandrine Holt as a Belter (Drummer's XO Oksana).
I realize it was almost 30 years ago, but I still remember her from the (Canadian) syndicated series "John Woo's Once A Thief".
The general consensus is that season 4 was lackluster compared to the first 3. Thats also true for the books. What
makes both season 4 and book 4 important is that you need them to truly understand what's at stake in the next
3 books. It's import effects the events in books 5, 6, and 7. ( The focus changes in 8 and 9, but the legacy is still
there. ) For the show, everything that happens in seasons 5 and 6 happens because of things shown in season 4.
Just as Naomi couldn't adjust to life on a planets surface, many belters also could not. So, with many people moving
to one of the planets through the ring gates, belters were about to be forgotten to death. This is what Marco was
fighting against.
might not remember but in the first season they said life expectancy on earth was 120 and was even better on mars
Cyn (the big bear of a man) and Karel (the woman with the hair Clarus likes) go back with Marco to when he and Naomi were together.
im not gonna explain this because the aging questions have been covered as far back as s1
as well as martians and their military obligations..
"If you hate the idea of a polyamorous bisexual space pirate queen, please do not buy [the next Expanse book]" - Ty Franck, ensuring that I would buy that book in multiple formats
it's not full make up. drummer's eye shadow is tattooed. and yes, they're a polyamorous crew.
and if you guys are fascinated with the props and set design, you should watch adam savage's set visit. the breakfast takeout box from that time bobbie slept with that navy guy in mars. the details are frickin' amazing.
Wasn’t tattooed in S3. It’s smeared when she’s crying and being stabilized/receiving treatment for her spine.
So you didn't think the title mother could mean mother earth? :)
Now the asteroid- he quoted 1-4 megatons, estimating speed the others could be faster and guessed on size based on the remaining bits after it broke up. Just for context Hiroshima was about 1.5 megatons and Nagasaki was just over 2 megatons if I remember right. Also if they hit square on not to bad but if they hit at an angle it with throw a lot of debris in to the air, like what killed the dinosaurs as it blocked out the sun!
Back in season one, the coroner mentions the AVERAGE life expectancy on earth is 128 even better on Mars, Ceres its 67 and going down with all this trouble.
REALLY looking forward to the rest of this series.
They were 15 and 21 kilotons, respectively. The "Trinity" test bomb in New Mexico was 22 kilotons. The first "megaton" bombs were developed after WWII.
Once you get above a certain size, the angle of incidence makes no difference whatsoever. Stuff gets thrown in all directions because the massive kinetic energy dissipates like an explosion. Look at the Moon. Almost all the craters are round. There are no large oval ones.
15 kilotons is 1.5 megatons !
but thank you for confirming the exact figures.
@@johnmoore-fm9db Not quite. 1 Mton = 1,000 kton. So, 15 kton = 0.015 Mton. Your 1.5 Mton = 1,500 kton, and 4 Mton = 4,000 kton.
This show gets even better with rewatches. You realize there’s no fat in the series. Every single scene, minor character, throwaway line… all of it is giving you clues to what happens in this season and the next. On the first watch, though, there’s no way to know how those clues will all come together… plus you’re getting dazzled by a shot or punched in the gut every few minutes which means you’re going to miss some things.
Looking forward to the next reaction...IMO 5x4 is the single best episode of The Expanse.
Also, you guys keep calling Camina, "Carmina", which is funny! :P Her name is "CA"mina Drummer. Not "CAR"mina. It's funny! XD
6:18 I think you guys forgot that the average lifespan on Earth and mars is around 160 years.
Chrisjen didn't demote Souther. He reigned but was essentially forced into it by Erremwright (though in truth he did most of the work himself). Chrisjen did oppose his position but only as part of a longer term political strategy.
The Expanse Polycule: The Modern Three's Company
Piracy and polyamory?
Spicy!
Polycule in Space would be great! Just Dummer and her family flying around doing pirate stuff! You might consider reacting to Sense8?
On the matter of age (He's 70?!!), go back to season one where the medical examiner is talking to Miller over average life expectancy values. People in the timeline live a lot longer (unless of course they're Belters).
It’s the prettiest polycule I’ve seen by a country mile 😂
as I recall Souther told the president he was stepping down due to the fact they were going to fire on Mars. Avaserella wasn't involved in him stepping down.
Have you two heard of the game called "Star Citizen"? In my opinion, it is the most realistic space game/sim. It's in alpha testing but anyone can play. You have to pledge some money, as low as $45, and you get a ship in the game. There are tons of videos on youtube about it. I kinda get to live a 2nd life as if I were in the expanse. You can go from a planets surface to orbit with no load screens, and the planet's surface is beautifully rendered. I think you two would love it. Also because it's in alpha testing, there are lots of bug/crashes, but its worth it.
Oooh, an ocean strike is FAR WORSE than a land strike. Tsunamis will on average kill way more peeps than those in a 13 km blast radius.
I think he meant in relation to striking a metropolis, but yes hitting some remote land would be better. Though a 13 megaton blast may not make as big a tsunami as you think, the underwater earthquakes that produce the deadliest tsunamis release energy in the order of billions or trillions of tons of TNT.
@@dekulruno that's something that bugged me about this, for the level of catastrophe they talk about, the yields would have to have been at least in the 100s of megatons range. The Castle Bravo test was 15mt, and the russian Tsar Bomb was 50ish.
'Way back in the 60s I read an analysis by Isaac Asimov comparing the effects of a meteor striking the middle of the Pacific to the same meteor striking the middle of the US. He provided numbers indicating that the ocean strike would actually have the worse long-term climate effects.
I hear it more as “Mother…”
Curse cut short conveniently to avoid the F-bomb.
Honestly that works for both Naomi and Avasarala's story line so sure.
Turns out 4 megatons is actually quite a big bada boom.
4 MT from a fragment that broke off from a rock that didn’t make it.
The actual effects… we’ll see, but bigger than 4 MT.
Scene in first season says Martians avenge age at 150.
I think they sped up the meteors thereby making a smaller rocks impact more intense
In season one I believe Dawes told Miller that life expectancy on earth is 120 and on Mars it's more. Belter life expectency lies at 60-70
It wasn't Dawes. It was the coroner in the mortuary scene with the corpse of "Bizi Betiko"
In the books, you hear more about how much longer people because of medical advances
The instrument played the master right back
Lore question for book readers: As I understand it, Mars was initially settled by some American pioneer-types; roughnecks and ranchers. Hence the cowboy aesthetics and Texan accents. And of course many East Asian and Pacific workers escaping climate change and poverty. But how did Mars manage to transform from what I’d imagine would be a collection of ultra-individualistic, libertarian types into this highly regimented, militarized society? Aesthetics aside, Mars seems to have (or have had, pre-Ring) a much more common-good, self-sacrificing ethos than Earth, despite its settlers’ presumed individualism. Necessity is one thing - the planet isn’t habitable by itself - and having Earth as a common enemy helps a lot too, but I imagine there would have been a lot of infighting too.
Cynical answer?
Fascism.
Rugged individualism is in the aesthetic, but everyone is expected to die heroically for the state.
Umm, have you looked at the history of the USA?
@@Justanotherconsumer good answer. I just can’t help but think that dying for the state (and personal glory) is somewhat different than living and toiling for it, and Martians do a lot of that too it seems. I just imagine getting a bunch of independent homesteaders to all pitch in on a generational, communal project like terraforming would have been difficult. “I gots air for me and mine, so I don’t much care what the rest of y’all do”. Sure, fascism and individualism aren’t too far apart in that both love to have their “us” vs “others”, but the Martian totalitarianism - regardless of ideological flavor - is what seems at somewhat at odds with the both the ethos and aesthetic of the rugged individualists. But, yeah, I could see it go that way.
@@MattNolanCustom I’d rather not? But joking aside, you’re right there are parallels. But I also don’t see the US of today really, truly working collectively toward a single common-good goal across multiple generations like the Mars terraforming project. Granted, no there’s no real outside pressure to do so, but still, I think someone would secede if such a project was drawn up.
“Defeating communism” is perhaps the longest running US project, so it does sort of happen, I suppose, even if that was more outward destruction than inward construction.
@@ferchrissakes fair. The US doesn't have the organisation or unified goal, but the militarisation and aggression is right up there. I think the book lore is more that scientists and other great boundary-pushing minds went and settled Mars and the first goal was terraforming. When they first mooted independence from Earth (read old Europe/British Empire in recent history terms) that led to near-war and the subsequent militarisation. All out war was only avoided by exchanging the Epstein Drive technology for independence, IIRC.
Guys - being a bit down on Season 4 is not going to cost you points with the fan base. I think it's pretty widely seen as the lowest season, and that's not the TV crew's fault - it's the weakest book as well. Still good, but not as jaw-droppingly stunning as what had come before or what would follow.
"Season 5 fucking rocks"
👀
Season 5: fucking rocks!
She didn't demote Souther
Penultimate season hype!
Fun fact: this episode directed by Thomas Jane
Nerdy still needs to review Fluid Dynamics, impact yeilds, and Orbital mechanics....
Rocks from space are a BIG FRELLING DEAL.
Babbage’s “that would be interesting” hits different when rewatching.
So I don't know exactly when they come into widespread use, but anti-aging drugs are a thing in the Expanse universe. You guys probably already know that the last three books, which didn't get adapted into TV seasons, take place 30 years after season 6, so all the main characters should probably be in their 60's or 70's at least, but they have been taking anti-aging drugs for a while, which means they are a lot more youthful and spry at that advanced age than we are in our modern times! I mean, it makes sense, medical technology has been extending human life for quite a while now. If they could condense that into a pill and sell it, they totally would. And people would buy it. I know I would! It's just a matter of getting good enough at manipulating human genetics.
They age slower, the author explained that earthers can live to 150 in some cases