Poor stewart bevan, who played prof jones, passed away recently. He was even katy manning’s boyfriend at the time of making this story, no wonder there so good together. One of my all time favorite pertwee adventures
The Green Death is one of the very best Pertwee Era stories, as well as one of the very best UNIT stories. There is real character development throughout, Clifford Jones is great (RIP Stewart Bevan who sadly passed away recently) and there's an attempt to address adult themes in an adult way. Not to mention there's terrifying maggots, horrible green slime, and some very scary cliffhangers. Also, the ending to the story is genuinely moving and sad.
Oh, The Green Death is an absolute classic, one of Pertwee's best, firing on all cylinders and a fine example (probably the finest) of how Doctor Who can do political whilst still being an engaging story in its own right. Sadly (and the timing of this stunned me) Stewart Bevan who plays Prof. Clifford Jones passed away earlier this week aged 73. Him and Katy Manning were a couple at the time, hence their strong onscreen chemistry and although they did end up separating, they still remained good friends afterward. On a lighter note, this was an amazing reaction and your shock at the snake on Metebelis III makes me excited for a certain Fifth Doctor story and its sequel...
One of my favourite stories, before its time. Fiimed very close to my home town of Bargoed (BAR-GOYD) in a sleepy village mining village called "DERI". I met Jon Pertwee in Deri. I also met Katy Manning, Stewart Bevan and Nicholas Courtney. Jon flew over my school ringing a bell, my friend Lee ran out thinking it was father Christmas. My other friends watched the filming. The scene of the Doctor and the claws, they were attached to a crane. One or two others were lucky enough to get a ride in Bessie. According to my friend Richard, Jon Pertwee crashed his car and he had to use my friends home phone. Jon returned to the location in April 1994 and I met him again, I was on BBC Wales news with him, it's an extra on the special edition dvd. We still remember when Jon Pertwee came to our town and filmed 'The Green Death' in Deri, Bargoed, Wales. UK.
I adored this story so much as a kid, I watched it so much I can still probably mouth along more than any other story. Then I read it. Then, years later, I listened to Katy Manning reading it on tape. I suppose you could say I liked the story. RIP Stewart Bevan
I remember being amused by the Metebelis 3 sequence - it feels like a little self-parody ("The Doctor heads off in the TARDIS and has one of his usual death-defying adventures full of peril and monsters, and *it's completely irrelevant*")
RIP Stewart Bevan, who plays professor Jones in this story. Strange timing as he passed away on Monday. Him and Katy Manning were in a relationship for a long time and remained great friends even when their romantic relationship ended. By all accounts a really lovely man. As for the story itself, this is one of those that is actually relatively well-known by the British public. It's fondly remembered as "the one with the giant maggots" for, well, obvious reasons.
When people criticise the more recent era of Doctor Who, in particular Orphan 55, I point to stories like The Green Death in order to show that environmental issues have long been a concern of the show; as far back as Planet of Giants, in fact (DN6 being a satire on DDT, which had devastating long term effects). The fact is, we've been warned about so-called green issues for many decades, so if the 13th Doctor story in question seems too blatant in its point, it's because the messages of The Green Death (and shows like Doomwatch) were gleefully ignored and/or dismissed, frankly. Also, very sad news to hear of the death of Stewart Bevan (Professor Jones). My thoughts go out to his family and friends, in particular Katy Manning, to whom he was engaged during the making of this story. They never married, but they remained close.
Orphan 55 having a good message doesn't automatically make it a good episode. It's poor in almost every respect. Plot, characters, acting, even some of the effects are terrible. It's not the political message that makes it bad, being bad makes it bad.
@@bookswithike3256 One of the criticisms of Orphan 55 at the time was its sledgehammer approach to environmental issues, which is fair but sadly necessary. Frankly, if we'd heeded the warnings of decades past, Orphan 55 wouldn't have been made. Also, if I remember rightly, there was Twitter promotion - BBC America, I believe - that hyped the episode up. So much so that people thought it was going to be about the destruction of Gallifrey and the Master's involvement and all that. Now, I'm not claiming that Orphan 55 is a misunderstood masterpiece or anything, but I think it's unfairly maligned. To me at least it has a very '80s action/adventure cartoon feel to it, with certain shots reminiscent of animation cells, especially from the likes of Filmation and Fujiami. The eightiesness is further exemplified by the dome's interior wall"s striking similarity to the Rubik's Magic, a puzzle toy which I had at the time. I certainly enjoyed for what it was, but as I say it wasn't a highlight of that particular series or anything.
Nice to see the return of "No Touchie!". The actor with the mouthful of teeth, who played the minor who was with The Dr, is Talfryn Thomas. He was in previous episodes of Dr Who too. For a while in the 1960s and 70s he was the go-to actor for a slightly comic Welshman. The accents are a very over-the-top stereotype but what an English TV audience would have expected Welsh miners to sound like. (I'm Welsh and don't think I sound like that). My mother hated the giant maggots when it was first shown on TV. It is one of the few Dr Who episodes she remembers.
I grew up in a South Wales mining valley and, whilst there's some "stage Welsh" here, I can think of worse examples, even within the confines of Doctor Who! I've actually known several people who spoke not unlike Talfryn Thomas - and they're still around, especially in the South West :)
As a child of the early seventies, the environmental concerns of this story are exactly of their time. ( The first Earth Day observance was in April, 1970. The Energy Crisis brought about by the Arab Oil Embargo began in 1973.) That the environmental concerns of the seventies (and added complications therefrom) are still relevant in 2022 is disheartening.
By shutting down pits that were losing money. I have never understood the idea of jobs as a form of welfare. The miners lost their jobs because they were losing money. I didn’t like Thatcher at all but I never understood the argument here. ‘we insist you pour millions of pounds worth of taxpayers money into a hole so that we can keep our jobs digging up coal that costs more to extract than we can sell it for’
@@MrChiddler The NHS and the Royal Marines are losing money. Do you think we should close them down too? Education isn't paying it's way. The Falklands - way too expensive. The Tories know the price of everything - but the value of now't.
@@MrChiddler The main problem is that she closed the mines and did absolutely nothing to help those communities afterwards. You want to close the mines? Fine, but then support the unemployed miners and younger people into other jobs by providing training and opportunities to get qualifications in other industries. Thatcher just closed the mines and left the towns reliant on them to rot through high levels of unemployment and no investment.
This is a fantastic story clearly a eco themed story that actually looks at it from an economic perspective as well as environmental. Not just a 'don't pollute' message. The giant maggots are excellently designed and executed there's more to go in this story. The UNIT family is fantastic especially Jo and Brig it's wonderful to see how much they've grown together. Clifford Jones is a fantastic character perfectly played by Stewart Bevon Rest in Peace
RIP Stewart Bevan. What a tribute that he was in such an outstanding serial. In a particularly strong season, this is a true classic. Also, the inspiration for my ident pic! A real treat ☺ Glad you're liking it, Jess, (snakes, fuckery and shenanegans aside)...lol.
I love this story, and it’s like an exercise in how to integrate an eco message into a sci-fi story fluidly and keep it interesting, instead of just dropping in a lecture.
My brother was talking about the new Doctor Who episodes, and said "they've become too political!" I replied- "You obviously have never seen a single episode of Doctor Who."
There’s a wonderful trailer that serves as a sequel to this story, which was made to promote the season 10 blu-ray collection. Would be perfect for a future Doctor Who December pick!
As depressing as it is to realize that we seem to have learned very little as a species since this episode aired, there is a silver lining to this. That town that they filmed this story in was an actual coalmining town with an active coalmine. A few years after this story aired, however, the coal mine was closed down, and in the years since then the surrounding land has become an idyllic verdant Welsh countryside. No matter how much damage we do to this planet, it will heal itself eventually. The question is, will we as a species still be around when that happens?
I love this story on many levels! We see Jo at the peak of her independence, the hilarious snippets of the Doctor's side adventure, the real world questions, the maggot monsters (Disgusting!!), and this story plants seeds to future events!I think Jo was following Dr. Jones in the news, so she and The Doctor have that admiration, so finding out he's so young stirs it up!
Ah! You see, we're not quite done with UNIT yet. The Brig is back, Yates has been name-dropped, can our favorite sergeant be far behind? Stewart Bevan, who plays Professor Jones, was Katy Manning's real life boyfriend at the time this was filmed.
"The one with the maggots" - anyone who remembered anything about early 70s Doctor Who remembered "The one with the maggots" (even if they'd never actually seen it)!
JO: “look it's time to call a halt! It's time that the world awoke to the alarm bell of pollution instead of sliding down the slippery slopes of, of, of, whatever it is” FANS: “Doctor Who was never political before Chibnall”
Jo's delivery and the writing of her dialogue are both more convincing than the 13th Doctor's monologue at the end of Orphan 55 though. The timing of the latter was also off. In this it comes off genuinely as a real person having a real, rational concern, in no small part because of her pre-established character backstory. Whereas in Orphan 55 it comes off as the Doctor lecturing her companions (and the audience) on what might happen, and the very real reality of the environmental crisis is less front and centre. For comparison, the majority of the latter dialogue was about humanity having the choice to make better decisions. This isn't the same thing as directly discussing the issue the way Jo does, such as with her use of the phrase 'it's time the world awoke to the alarm bell of pollution'. In the closing monologue of O55, the Doctor speaks 109 words, of which only 10 explicitly concern environmentalism, and none discuss the exact nature of the problem(s).
@@rtozier2011 You’d all still complain, no matter which way the message was handled. People didn’t listen the first time. So, the only option is to force the message the second time round and if that doesn’t work - keep trying in various ways. Till you all listen.
@@tokublwhovian Unless you're not telling us something, you're also one of the people who lives on this planet. Using phrases like 'you all' is needlessly antagonistic and generalising, and turns off casual observers who need to be recruited in order to solve the problem. In that way your comment suffers from the same problem as the episode - it's not persuasive enough. I'm 33 and haven't seen The Green Death before, so 'you didn't listen the first time' is inaccurate in my case and I imagine many others. I wouldn't still complain - the central thesis of my comments here has been that The Green Death does a better job. Therefore it constitutes an example of the issue being handled in a way I'm not complaining about. The climate crisis is a massively important issue and it's therefore very important that we try to win people's hearts about it. We'll only do this by being constructive in our approach, language and informativeness. I personally would have had the Doctor give a short list of what the actual issues are, then tell her companions 'only you humans can stop it, by watching what you buy and throw away'. I would have ended the episode with character moments, to emphasise that the issue affects real people. Then there's the fact that O55 being only one possible Earth contradicts the 'crossing your own timeline' rules, which took me out of the story a little. It could have been a parallel Earth or successor Earth and the message would still be the same.
@@paulkennedy8701 Because I love Jess's reactions, and she makes it easier for me to get into Classic Who for the first time. Don't be closeminded or aggressive, OK? It's uncool
And everyone thought "Orphan 55" and "Praxeus" were too political which are my favourite two stories of the Whittaker era, The Green Death is also a favourite Pertwee story of mine though I like most of his stories really as Pertwee is my Doctor and Tom Baker. Nearly 50 years since this episode came out and nearly 50 years on and people still haven't got the message of how serious climate change is anyway I won't get into that. When The Doctor was offering Jo space and time travel he was offering her a chance of a life time and you can see on The Doctor's face he has a deep affection for Jo but I think in this case it was just as well Jo didn't go with him because the planet did look very hasty that planet is called Metebelis III and it will become important for a future story later on it was also mentioned in the Eleventh Doctor story "Hide" although Matt Smith incorrectly pronounced the name as "Metebolis III". The actor who plays Dr. Clifford Jones (Stewart Bevon) had sadly passed away just this week and at the time of this in real life was dating Katy Manning at the time.
This story may have inspired the 'Edge of Darkness' TV movie and movie of a few years later. All that's missing is the clearly-responsible government oversight aspect and their murderous cover-up operation.
More Classic Who? Rubs hands together. *Excellent!* I don’t know if it’s a spoiler, but, later this afternoon, I can post how many episodes are in each season for you without spoilers of when people come and go. If it is a spoiler, just say so.
Disappointing, in some respects, that both the Brig and the Doctor seem to vaguely snooty about the whole 'getting it together in the countryside' communal thing, as Barry Letts was quick to point out 'The Green Death' was deliberately written with an ecological message in mind (political angles being largely incidental in previous stories). Nevertheless, it's the thing that makes this story great and it serves as a timely tribute to the late Stewart Bevan (Prof Clifford Jones) who died only recently. Tellingly, Bevan and Katy Manning (also of Welsh stock - as she reminds us on the DVD commentary for this story) were an item at this stage.
It's interesting how you can't even deal with snakes on screen. I'm terrified of dogs in person but watching them on screen doesn't freak me out because I know they can't come through there.
I know this is a great story and all but honestly I'm waiting it out until you get around to reacting to the first episode of Season 11 (won't tell you why but I love it :))
I think your fans would really enjoy your reactions to Dark Shadows. Doctor Who has been your best and would like to see your reactions to the old the old vampire serial.
Very fun reaction to a very good story. Can't wait for the upcoming parts! The blue planet, Metebelis 3, will play an ongoing roll in the series, almost a story arc for Pertwee, and be a piece even into the 11th doctors time. (What other show can blithely pull a reference from 40 years ago and run with it?)
It's the 70s. Although _Doctor Who_ "got political" in the 60s ("Planet of Giants", "The Massacre", "The Ark", and others), it really got into it in Pertwee's time ("The Silurians", "The Ambassadors of Death", "Inferno", "The Mind of Evil", "Day of the Daleks", "The Curse of Peladon", "The Mutants", "Carnival of Monsters", "Frontier in Space"...).
Poor stewart bevan, who played prof jones, passed away recently. He was even katy manning’s boyfriend at the time of making this story, no wonder there so good together. One of my all time favorite pertwee adventures
The Green Death is one of the very best Pertwee Era stories, as well as one of the very best UNIT stories. There is real character development throughout, Clifford Jones is great (RIP Stewart Bevan who sadly passed away recently) and there's an attempt to address adult themes in an adult way. Not to mention there's terrifying maggots, horrible green slime, and some very scary cliffhangers. Also, the ending to the story is genuinely moving and sad.
This is one of the stories to point to when people say Classic Who was never political
"He wanted to take Jo here" is so funny🤣
Saddened to hear that Stewart Bevan passed away just a few days ago. There was a moving tribute to him by Katy.
That is very sad,more bad news ,deaths in Ukraine and the death of shane warn, and rodney marsh
Oh, The Green Death is an absolute classic, one of Pertwee's best, firing on all cylinders and a fine example (probably the finest) of how Doctor Who can do political whilst still being an engaging story in its own right.
Sadly (and the timing of this stunned me) Stewart Bevan who plays Prof. Clifford Jones passed away earlier this week aged 73. Him and Katy Manning were a couple at the time, hence their strong onscreen chemistry and although they did end up separating, they still remained good friends afterward.
On a lighter note, this was an amazing reaction and your shock at the snake on Metebelis III makes me excited for a certain Fifth Doctor story and its sequel...
This story is everything "Arachnids" wasn't.
Oh, no, and those are two of my favorite Five stories! She might melt down like Indiana Jones!
@@Melancthon7332 when did Indy Melt?
@@SGlitz In Jacque's plane he has a total freakout. "I hate snakes, Jacque! I HATE 'EM!!"
One of the most famous Doctor Who stories ever amongst the general public - the one with the Giant Maggots.
The ending though
She WILL cry
One of my favourite stories, before its time. Fiimed very close to my home town of Bargoed (BAR-GOYD) in a sleepy village mining village called "DERI". I met Jon Pertwee in Deri. I also met Katy Manning, Stewart Bevan and Nicholas Courtney. Jon flew over my school ringing a bell, my friend Lee ran out thinking it was father Christmas. My other friends watched the filming. The scene of the Doctor and the claws, they were attached to a crane. One or two others were lucky enough to get a ride in Bessie. According to my friend Richard, Jon Pertwee crashed his car and he had to use my friends home phone. Jon returned to the location in April 1994 and I met him again, I was on BBC Wales news with him, it's an extra on the special edition dvd. We still remember when Jon Pertwee came to our town and filmed 'The Green Death' in Deri, Bargoed, Wales. UK.
Memories to treasure! Thanks for sharing them :)
Such a good story. It’s a great shame that Stewart Bevan passed away recently, he was fantastic along with Jon Pertwee and Katy Manning.
I adored this story so much as a kid, I watched it so much I can still probably mouth along more than any other story. Then I read it. Then, years later, I listened to Katy Manning reading it on tape. I suppose you could say I liked the story.
RIP Stewart Bevan
Rest in peace Stewart Bevan
Universally known as "the one with the maggots"
I remember being amused by the Metebelis 3 sequence - it feels like a little self-parody ("The Doctor heads off in the TARDIS and has one of his usual death-defying adventures full of peril and monsters, and *it's completely irrelevant*")
Well it's completely irrelevant to this story, it becomes a bit more important in a season or so.
"Completely irrelevant", eh? All hail to the Forgetful One!
@@Melancthon7332 Ooh, it does have a bit of importance near the end doesn't it, I forgot about that.
RIP Stewart Bevan, who plays professor Jones in this story. Strange timing as he passed away on Monday. Him and Katy Manning were in a relationship for a long time and remained great friends even when their romantic relationship ended. By all accounts a really lovely man.
As for the story itself, this is one of those that is actually relatively well-known by the British public. It's fondly remembered as "the one with the giant maggots" for, well, obvious reasons.
I may have started to tear up as you were giving your interpretation of Jo's headspace after her many adventures. Thank you.
When people criticise the more recent era of Doctor Who, in particular Orphan 55, I point to stories like The Green Death in order to show that environmental issues have long been a concern of the show; as far back as Planet of Giants, in fact (DN6 being a satire on DDT, which had devastating long term effects). The fact is, we've been warned about so-called green issues for many decades, so if the 13th Doctor story in question seems too blatant in its point, it's because the messages of The Green Death (and shows like Doomwatch) were gleefully ignored and/or dismissed, frankly.
Also, very sad news to hear of the death of Stewart Bevan (Professor Jones). My thoughts go out to his family and friends, in particular Katy Manning, to whom he was engaged during the making of this story. They never married, but they remained close.
Orphan 55 having a good message doesn't automatically make it a good episode. It's poor in almost every respect. Plot, characters, acting, even some of the effects are terrible. It's not the political message that makes it bad, being bad makes it bad.
@@bookswithike3256 One of the criticisms of Orphan 55 at the time was its sledgehammer approach to environmental issues, which is fair but sadly necessary. Frankly, if we'd heeded the warnings of decades past, Orphan 55 wouldn't have been made. Also, if I remember rightly, there was Twitter promotion - BBC America, I believe - that hyped the episode up. So much so that people thought it was going to be about the destruction of Gallifrey and the Master's involvement and all that.
Now, I'm not claiming that Orphan 55 is a misunderstood masterpiece or anything, but I think it's unfairly maligned. To me at least it has a very '80s action/adventure cartoon feel to it, with certain shots reminiscent of animation cells, especially from the likes of Filmation and Fujiami. The eightiesness is further exemplified by the dome's interior wall"s striking similarity to the Rubik's Magic, a puzzle toy which I had at the time. I certainly enjoyed for what it was, but as I say it wasn't a highlight of that particular series or anything.
Stewart Bevan, who played Professor Jones just passed away this past week.
Loved this story, Pertwee was brilliant, love the guy to bits.
I love that line. "Venusian Aikido Gentlemen, I hope I haven't hurt you."
Nice to see the return of "No Touchie!".
The actor with the mouthful of teeth, who played the minor who was with The Dr, is Talfryn Thomas. He was in previous episodes of Dr Who too. For a while in the 1960s and 70s he was the go-to actor for a slightly comic Welshman. The accents are a very over-the-top stereotype but what an English TV audience would have expected Welsh miners to sound like. (I'm Welsh and don't think I sound like that). My mother hated the giant maggots when it was first shown on TV. It is one of the few Dr Who episodes she remembers.
I grew up in a South Wales mining valley and, whilst there's some "stage Welsh" here, I can think of worse examples, even within the confines of Doctor Who! I've actually known several people who spoke not unlike Talfryn Thomas - and they're still around, especially in the South West :)
We've been saying this for over 40 years and still saying it today.
This is the story that made me adore the Third Doctor. He must have had such fun making it.
This was 35 ahead of its time. Even Russell T Davies made a few environmental one-liners in some stories.
As a child of the early seventies, the environmental concerns of this story are exactly of their time. ( The first Earth Day observance was in April, 1970. The Energy Crisis brought about by the Arab Oil Embargo began in 1973.) That the environmental concerns of the seventies (and added complications therefrom) are still relevant in 2022 is disheartening.
This is probably one of the best third doctor stories. Also we'll ahead of it's time dealing with the growing pollution problem.
The most heart breaking part is that Thatcher caused much more suffering to the miners and their communities than aliens ever could!
... that would be "Maggot" Thatcher in Whoniverse terms ;)
By shutting down pits that were losing money. I have never understood the idea of jobs as a form of welfare. The miners lost their jobs because they were losing money. I didn’t like Thatcher at all but I never understood the argument here. ‘we insist you pour millions of pounds worth of taxpayers money into a hole so that we can keep our jobs digging up coal that costs more to extract than we can sell it for’
@@MrChiddler The NHS and the Royal Marines are losing money. Do you think we should close them down too? Education isn't paying it's way. The Falklands - way too expensive. The Tories know the price of everything - but the value of now't.
@@MrChiddler The main problem is that she closed the mines and did absolutely nothing to help those communities afterwards. You want to close the mines? Fine, but then support the unemployed miners and younger people into other jobs by providing training and opportunities to get qualifications in other industries.
Thatcher just closed the mines and left the towns reliant on them to rot through high levels of unemployment and no investment.
@@Capmarvel87 It's possibly worth mentioning that more mines closed under Labour than under the Conservative government...
I need more Classic Who reactions - once a week is not enough!
Finally Seska is here. This the most memorable Doctor Who story from my childhood, bar none.
The first one I remember being brave enough to watch, before this one I used to take my tea and sit in the kitchen while my parents watched it!
This is the first (and possibly only) Doctor Who story I actually, for-realsies watched at least partially from behind the sofa.
17:05 Aaand that's why he's the scientific advisor.
This is a fantastic story clearly a eco themed story that actually looks at it from an economic perspective as well as environmental. Not just a 'don't pollute' message.
The giant maggots are excellently designed and executed there's more to go in this story.
The UNIT family is fantastic especially Jo and Brig it's wonderful to see how much they've grown together.
Clifford Jones is a fantastic character perfectly played by Stewart Bevon Rest in Peace
RIP Stewart Bevan. What a tribute that he was in such an outstanding serial. In a particularly strong season, this is a true classic. Also, the inspiration for my ident pic! A real treat ☺
Glad you're liking it, Jess, (snakes, fuckery and shenanegans aside)...lol.
I love this story, and it’s like an exercise in how to integrate an eco message into a sci-fi story fluidly and keep it interesting, instead of just dropping in a lecture.
Oh we're here! This is my favorite... shoot! I can't say yet because spoilers. I'll say during the final episodes
Why did it have to be snakes? - Indiana Jones
My brother was talking about the new Doctor Who episodes, and said "they've become too political!"
I replied- "You obviously have never seen a single episode of Doctor Who."
Even in the 60’s they had political stuff in them. That’s why Ian and the first doctor had some bickering over it lol
There’s a wonderful trailer that serves as a sequel to this story, which was made to promote the season 10 blu-ray collection. Would be perfect for a future Doctor Who December pick!
As depressing as it is to realize that we seem to have learned very little as a species since this episode aired, there is a silver lining to this. That town that they filmed this story in was an actual coalmining town with an active coalmine. A few years after this story aired, however, the coal mine was closed down, and in the years since then the surrounding land has become an idyllic verdant Welsh countryside. No matter how much damage we do to this planet, it will heal itself eventually. The question is, will we as a species still be around when that happens?
Oh boy, this is going to be a good one - Hold on to your hats everyone!
I love this story on many levels! We see Jo at the peak of her independence, the hilarious snippets of the Doctor's side adventure, the real world questions, the maggot monsters (Disgusting!!), and this story plants seeds to future events!I think Jo was following Dr. Jones in the news, so she and The Doctor have that admiration, so finding out he's so young stirs it up!
Ah! You see, we're not quite done with UNIT yet. The Brig is back, Yates has been name-dropped, can our favorite sergeant be far behind? Stewart Bevan, who plays Professor Jones, was Katy Manning's real life boyfriend at the time this was filmed.
RIP Stewart Bevan who passed away this week
This is the story that scared the hell out of me as a 6 year old.love it
Glowy and green were always good sci fi colors
"GWEEN!! The colour for monsters is GWEEN!" - Uncle Terrance
@@dngillikin I can just hear him saying that too
As far as I can remember, this was the very first Doctor Who story I ever watched as a child.
He was bright green apparently and dead.
‘But doctor it’s exactly you’re cup of tea..’. Love that line from the brig, 3rd doctor and brig are just so entertaining
Fun thing about Venusian Aikido it was invented for someone with 3 hands.
Awesome story and one of the best of the Pertwee era!
Prof. Jones is working on using a fungus for protein etc. Like something I eat semi-regularly as a vegetarian today!
I think the maggots were made of condoms and rat skulls!
They say fox.
Wow - the first story that I actively remember watching. It terrified the bejeebers out of me 🙂
"The one with the maggots" - anyone who remembered anything about early 70s Doctor Who remembered "The one with the maggots" (even if they'd never actually seen it)!
R I p steward Bevan
I really needed this today.
Attack of the Maggots! The Green Death is an absolute classic of the Pertwee era. I have yet to meet anyone who has a bad word to say about it.
The planet was Metebelis 3
JO: “look it's time to call a halt! It's time that the world awoke to the alarm bell of pollution instead of sliding down the slippery slopes of, of, of, whatever it is”
FANS: “Doctor Who was never political before Chibnall”
Jo's delivery and the writing of her dialogue are both more convincing than the 13th Doctor's monologue at the end of Orphan 55 though. The timing of the latter was also off. In this it comes off genuinely as a real person having a real, rational concern, in no small part because of her pre-established character backstory. Whereas in Orphan 55 it comes off as the Doctor lecturing her companions (and the audience) on what might happen, and the very real reality of the environmental crisis is less front and centre.
For comparison, the majority of the latter dialogue was about humanity having the choice to make better decisions. This isn't the same thing as directly discussing the issue the way Jo does, such as with her use of the phrase 'it's time the world awoke to the alarm bell of pollution'. In the closing monologue of O55, the Doctor speaks 109 words, of which only 10 explicitly concern environmentalism, and none discuss the exact nature of the problem(s).
@@rtozier2011 You’d all still complain, no matter which way the message was handled. People didn’t listen the first time. So, the only option is to force the message the second time round and if that doesn’t work - keep trying in various ways. Till you all listen.
@@tokublwhovian Unless you're not telling us something, you're also one of the people who lives on this planet. Using phrases like 'you all' is needlessly antagonistic and generalising, and turns off casual observers who need to be recruited in order to solve the problem. In that way your comment suffers from the same problem as the episode - it's not persuasive enough.
I'm 33 and haven't seen The Green Death before, so 'you didn't listen the first time' is inaccurate in my case and I imagine many others.
I wouldn't still complain - the central thesis of my comments here has been that The Green Death does a better job. Therefore it constitutes an example of the issue being handled in a way I'm not complaining about.
The climate crisis is a massively important issue and it's therefore very important that we try to win people's hearts about it. We'll only do this by being constructive in our approach, language and informativeness.
I personally would have had the Doctor give a short list of what the actual issues are, then tell her companions 'only you humans can stop it, by watching what you buy and throw away'. I would have ended the episode with character moments, to emphasise that the issue affects real people.
Then there's the fact that O55 being only one possible Earth contradicts the 'crossing your own timeline' rules, which took me out of the story a little. It could have been a parallel Earth or successor Earth and the message would still be the same.
@@rtozier2011
If you haven't seen "The Green Death" before, why on earth are you watching a reaction to it?
@@paulkennedy8701 Because I love Jess's reactions, and she makes it easier for me to get into Classic Who for the first time.
Don't be closeminded or aggressive, OK? It's uncool
All the "dont touch"comments suddenly reminded me of "the woman who fell to earth" when 13 piped up saying"I would"
Cool. It's the giant maggot episode... Which is actually one of the best.
And everyone thought "Orphan 55" and "Praxeus" were too political which are my favourite two stories of the Whittaker era, The Green Death is also a favourite Pertwee story of mine though I like most of his stories really as Pertwee is my Doctor and Tom Baker.
Nearly 50 years since this episode came out and nearly 50 years on and people still haven't got the message of how serious climate change is anyway I won't get into that.
When The Doctor was offering Jo space and time travel he was offering her a chance of a life time and you can see on The Doctor's face he has a deep affection for Jo but I think in this case it was just as well Jo didn't go with him because the planet did look very hasty that planet is called Metebelis III and it will become important for a future story later on it was also mentioned in the Eleventh Doctor story "Hide" although Matt Smith incorrectly pronounced the name as "Metebolis III". The actor who plays Dr. Clifford Jones (Stewart Bevon) had sadly passed away just this week and at the time of this in real life was dating Katy Manning at the time.
If you can get past the hokey dinosaurs in the next U.N.I.T story. It showed how extreme people will goes to protect the earth 🌎
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Stop revealing spoilers!
For me, it wasn't the politics of Orphan 55 and Praxeus that made me dislike them haha
great episodes now and more to follow
Sad to read that Stewart Bevan Passed away. R.I.P
This story may have inspired the 'Edge of Darkness' TV movie and movie of a few years later.
All that's missing is the clearly-responsible government oversight aspect and their murderous cover-up operation.
Its almost prophetic. Going to South Wales as the production for modern Who ended up in Cardiff.
More Classic Who?
Rubs hands together.
*Excellent!*
I don’t know if it’s a spoiler, but, later this afternoon, I can post how many episodes are in each season for you without spoilers of when people come and go.
If it is a spoiler, just say so.
I thought this was best story in season 10. Carnival of Monsters is a really close second
“ you never listen to a word I say “
“ good grief “
episodes like this show that people complaining about modern Who being "too political" have never watched the show
"Stevens, process Jess", lol
Disappointing, in some respects, that both the Brig and the Doctor seem to vaguely snooty about the whole 'getting it together in the countryside' communal thing, as Barry Letts was quick to point out 'The Green Death' was deliberately written with an ecological message in mind (political angles being largely incidental in previous stories). Nevertheless, it's the thing that makes this story great and it serves as a timely tribute to the late Stewart Bevan (Prof Clifford Jones) who died only recently. Tellingly, Bevan and Katy Manning (also of Welsh stock - as she reminds us on the DVD commentary for this story) were an item at this stage.
It's interesting how you can't even deal with snakes on screen. I'm terrified of dogs in person but watching them on screen doesn't freak me out because I know they can't come through there.
I know this is a great story and all but honestly I'm waiting it out until you get around to reacting to the first episode of Season 11 (won't tell you why but I love it :))
Puts the lie to the myth that classic Doctor Who didn't do "woke" stuff. As well as environmentalism it takes the mickey out of politicians.
I love this story
I think your fans would really enjoy your reactions to Dark Shadows. Doctor Who has been your best and would like to see your reactions to the old the old vampire serial.
But it has 1225 episodes lol
Nicholas Courtney may have been a liberal trade unionist in real life, but the Brigadier was undoubtedly a staunch Tory.
I guess a trade unionist _might_ be liberal. They would usually be progressive, particularly in the 70s.
This story gave me nightmares for weeks, of course I must have been about 10 at the time.
"Stop touching shit!!!"
'The one with the Maggots' they called it. Can you guess why?
Very fun reaction to a very good story. Can't wait for the upcoming parts!
The blue planet, Metebelis 3, will play an ongoing roll in the series, almost a story arc for Pertwee, and be a piece even into the 11th doctors time. (What other show can blithely pull a reference from 40 years ago and run with it?)
"We need some sturdy rope and a blue crystal from Metebelis Three. Plus some Kendal Mint Cake."
Ah great, spoilers in the comments again.
The reaction to a certain denizen of Metabilis 3 makes me worry about how we'll cope with certain stories in the Davison era lol!
This is a really good and very memorable story for all sorts of reasons, but the Welsh stereotypes are pretty cringeworthy
Doctor who is getting a bit political. 😁
It's the 70s.
Although _Doctor Who_ "got political" in the 60s ("Planet of Giants", "The Massacre", "The Ark", and others), it really got into it in Pertwee's time ("The Silurians", "The Ambassadors of Death", "Inferno", "The Mind of Evil", "Day of the Daleks", "The Curse of Peladon", "The Mutants", "Carnival of Monsters", "Frontier in Space"...).
Ah, the last Jo Grant series... Be prepared for the tears...
Why _do_ people post spoilers?
On this occasion Jess has seen this one already but please don't post about upcoming stories in future, thanks