I actually did go through all races and the 60-70 lost points that Nando claims are pretty realistic. I genuily think Australia and Canada would have been really big points if it wasn't for his bad luck.
I was waiting for something like this episode. It's truly incredible what Fernando is doing with his average car, I hope Alpine can continue their car upgrades and hopefully fight for podiums next season.
I honestly hate the thought of newer fans who don't yet grasp the finer details of F1, looking at the points compared to Ocon and thinking Alonso is anything other than a continuing legend. His performances this year are still championship level. But his luck is Minardi level.
there are a lot of older fans as well who look at points, podiums, and championships as if it tells the whole story. it is like saying robert horry is the GOAT of basketball because he has 7 nba champs vs jordan's 6 but we all know he isn't even part of the top bball players in contention
I feel like his whole career has been on the unlucky side. And I'm a new fan. You ask how I know about his career then? Well that's because I purchased F1 TV and went back and watched all his races. In fact, I went back as far as the archives let you, which is 1970 and watched either highlights or full races of every season, just so I won't be called a noob. Although I am still a noob, because I really only became a true fan in 2020.
@@HizenHerz24 I'm following F1 actively since +41 years. While it's true that some old fans never tried to fully understand F1, they are still not as much as with the "new" fans. On top of that the new ones are mostly more aggressive, especially in the comments section. At least that's what I feel. You're doing the right thing by trying to get as much knowledge as you can from history 👍 I would love to see more new ones do what you do. Keep it up 😉
@@sesvid I appreciate the comment, thank you. I'm trying. I hate the fact that new fans come in with aggression and negativity. It isn't right from old fans either, but especially new fans. They need to realize they're still learning the sport and its history. Its ok to not know things.
If he had been given more top tier cars he probably would be. when u think of seasons in which he had an actual car to challenge with not including his 05 06 wins is 2007 which he tied 2nd 2010 which he came second and i mean u kinda have to say 2012 because he challenged with it but should it have really had a chance of winning in the first place no. the guy has had horrendous luck with cars and if he had won id say another 2 titles for me id have no problem saying hes the greatest driver not only in formula 1 but in motorsport. then again. hes my favourite driver of all time so bias ofcourse
In Australia, Alonso literally told them it was a bad call and they disregarded it. When Alonso asked to pit during SC, Alpine kept him out. Alonso replied "Ok, so this is the end of our race." Alonso was right. They made the same mistake again in Canada.
Not only strategists. Also Engine reliability and how fast the engine can be when it works :D Alpine could have been very close to Merc in terms of points.
Actually both the Alpine drivers have suffered a lot. Ocon has had issues in or before qualifying (usually), Alonso usually in the race. Hence, Alonso has a superior quali record and Ocon has a superior race record. Ocon's issues: Bahrain - Sidepod blows off in FP1. Has to run the old spec for the entire weekend. Imola - Gearbox failure in Q1. Whole sprint weekend compromised. Miami - Medium speed crash but into a concrete barrier. Chassis cracked. Missed Qualifying. Plus only 50% fit for the race. Monaco - Red flag in the only run with new tyres in Q3. Ended up P10. Penalty in the race dropped him out of the points Silverstone - battery issues in Q2. Ends up p15. Taken out in T1 by Albon. Temporary fix allowed the car to rejoin after red flag. Was looking set for easy p7. But then retired due to fuel pump issue. Not writing Alonso's issues here since they have already been well documented.
Super Spurs Firstly, His starting from the back in Miami was his own fault. How is that a reliability issue when he caused it?! Ocon made the exact same mistake Sainz did and binned his car in FP. Secondly, Everyone was affected at Monaco, not just Ocon. That doesnt count as an issue that was Ocon's alone. So 3 issues in all. When Alonso had the same number of reliability issues by Australia. Add to that the strategy mistakes in Australia and Canada (even though Alonso told them on the radio it was a bad idea). Plus the quali miscommunication in Spain that ruined Alonso's quali. Even if you take out race incidents and solely focus on reliability issues alone, Alonso has barely had a race that went smoothly.
@@jacobdean6989 Where? Where did Ocon have reliability issues? Him starting from the back in Miami was his own fault. Ocon binned his car in FP in the same spot Sainz did. So where? Where else has Ocon had issues? For sure not nearly as much as Alonso had. Ocon has had 1 or 2 reliability issues (Silverstone) vs Alonso who's barely had any race without a reliability issue or "pitwall miscommunications"?
@@rumblefish9 I would add to this that Monaco Q3 red flag ruining his quali was also Ocon's fault. When I was watching that quali session something stuck out to me: in both Q1 and Q2 Alonso would put up a very good time in his first run, then improve it a bit, but Ocon would put in a garbage first time, than improve it a lot (even beating Alonso in q2 iirc). But when he did this in Q3, his last run got stopped by the red flag. If he did better first runs, he would've done better in q3, therefore his own fault. Also, picking up a penalty in that same race that dropped him out of points is his own fault, just like Alonso's penalties in Miami were his own fault. Ocon's only reliability issues were: #1 Bahrain sidepod in FP1 #2 Imola gearbox in Q1 #3 Silverstone battery in Q2 #4 (Optional) Silverstone race fuel pump (if you want to count this as a result of the T1 crash, than it's not really a reliability issue) So he had at most 4 reliability issues in 3 races. Compare that to Alonso's issues. The dude had 3 reliability issues in Austria alone. Also keep in mind that most races Ocon had much much better strategy.
Ocon literally only had 2 weekends with issues, one in qualy and another in race, and in the qualy one he didnt even had the pace trhough the entire weekend anyways Alonso got issues 8/11 races, 9 if we count the awful strategie and ocon would still be 2
I'm pretty sure that if he didn't had any reliability issue during the course of this year he would have 54 more points. That's p7 in the championship and a solid p4 for Alpine. And even if you forget some more hypothetical one like a 5th place in Australia, he would have around 35 points and still p7 and p4 for Alpine. I really really hope, his luck will come back for the second half of the championship
Everyone suffers reliability issues so you're always going to lose some points, but it's just all the smaller issues that are costing him in individual sessions
@@Aldas001 everyone except Mercedes, that's quite impressive that they had no retirement this season because of reliability. So that's possible. However, I don't think this is the objective for the season. They got P5 in the constructor championship before the CFD and wind tunnel allocation and will finish P4 I think. And maybe the top 3 will lose some performance because of porpoising maximum amplitude and flexible floor. So 2023 can be a very very good year for them, and being a fan of Alonso since 2005, I really hope it will works for him..
@@Bearcat299 completely agree on the 2023 season. Alpine actually played this season in a very smart way. They knew they were the 5th fastest car at best last season and their engine was by far the worst on the grid. So they decided to just make this years engine and car as fast as possible and think about reliability later. All this development and data they gather this year, along with reliability upgrades to the engine (the only changes allowed until the end of 2025) would make them very strong contenders next year. With the crazy stuff that tends to happen during races, like people crashing out and cars braking down, they could fill the same role Mercedes fills this year. Just be consistently fast and right behind the top teams and pick up points and podiums whenever they make mistakes. Let's just hope we are right and it plays out that way. Fingers crossed!
I'm an Alonso fanatic. Watch him on his prime was a joy, I rank Alonso as the best of his generation (yes, ahead of Hamilton and vettel). When I heard that he was coming back to f1, I was both excited and worried. But honestly, by the end of last season, I could see vintage Alonso again, and I knew for sure, that he was going to be very strong in 2022. Obviously he's not fighting for the world championship, I don't even think that at this point he has the same of leclerc and max (by far the best in the game right now) but it's a relief to realize that Alonso is still performing at a very high level. But yeah, that's it for me, I'm just happy that he's still putting some really impressive performances, and everybody can say he still belongs in f1, which speaks volumes in itself When it comes to Alonso, the statics just don't make sense, never did and never will .
Ocon was always neck and neck with Perez who in turn was miles of Max last season. Had Alonso being on his prime he would have close to double the points of Ocon just as Max was to Perez last year. Instead, he was himself neck and neck with Ocon, who is a decent midfield driver but that's it. His comeback is superb for a 41 old, and every odd occasion he puts a really exciting performance that you simply dont get from the other side of garage, but overall his pace, as expected him being a human being is far from his prime circa 2012. Nevertheless I thoroughly enjoy the occasional moment of brilliance he puts in and want him to stay, but I dont buy the frankly deluded belief that he would be able to hold a season long battle with Max right now that some of his hopeful fans believe
@@magnero2749 man in this season Alonso was going to be like on the double of points of Ocon, we are considering Nando's points but If Alonso would have finished p6 in Jeddah ( and he was going to) ocon would have finished p7 so less points, in Miami even with the 10 second penalty he was going to finish p8 and ocon P9 so less points ( if the SC didn't come out) in Bahrain he was going to finish seventh so ocon eighth, You must consider those things too
@@magnero2749 and remember that a super car will transform every driver in a championship contender, Leclerc last season was defeated by sainz and now he is miles away clear of him, last year ham was on another level, this year he's not, same goes for Vettel in 2018 and 17
What makes those reliabilty issues even more weird is the fact that his teammate is running exceptionally reliable with the same equipment. I've said this in another forum: the longer into the season we go the more implausible the chances for that amount of bad luck become, especially if your teammate is running practically without any of them. One might suspect acts of sabotage even though it'd be incredibly hard to believe and would mean a PR suicide if uncovered.
@@TheEmolano Alonso knows about the value of consistency. And while I see his desire to be up in front, the reliability issues he faced weren't performance related: water pump (or fuel pump) im Saudi Arabia, hydraulics in Australia, pneumatics (air) in Canada and electronics in Austria. It's not like he blew a part of the ICE (piston, cylinder head, turbocharger). These failed components don't give you any performance advantages while still being relevant for the functioning of the PU.
Although this season is frustrating, if alonso can keep at alpine, they are setting themselves up really well. they changed engine setups and went for pure performance, but thats good with these regulations because they can still add reliability over the next few years. Their car is also responding well to upgrades, so we should see them fighting for 4th until the end of the year. They however, are still an exceptionally long way off in terms of fighting the top 3. They are really only great in quali, but suffer some of the worst tire performance in the race, and the car suffers from the same philosophy that renault had for years: low drag and low downforce. so they do really well at tracks like canada, baku, silverstone, monza, spa, but not much else.
His 2022 season reminds me a bit of Schumacher's 2012 season. While he's performing on top of his game, the car/team constantly lets him down to a point where it looks like sabotage from the outside.
@@jeffdid9117 Imo, especially in 2010, he was a bit rusty after being out for three seasons. In 2012, especially in Quali, he was rapid by putting that dog of a car in positions where it didn't belong.
I rank Alonso very highly lots of positives on his individual performances the car just needs to stay in one piece and he’ll easily be best of the rest
I would say around 60, he is definitly quicker than Ocon this year but can't compete with him due to bad luck... I haven't seen him being that good since he left Ferrari
That's how I ended up with 57 : A brief review of Alonso's season: Bahrain: he makes P9 instead of P7 for an engine problem Jeddah: retirement instead of P6 (almost assured) due to an engine problem Australia: breakage of a €2 coin in qualifying depriving it of a possible 3rd or even 2nd place on the grid and a bad start in the race, I will still count a possible P7 Italy: retired instead of P6 following the crash he had with Mick (Mick ran into him) Spain: bad strategy in qualifying (spring in traffic) so P9 instead of possibly p7 Baku: with a slightly better strategy, he could have finished 5th instead of 7th Canada: engine problem that deprives him of a 5th or even 4th place, he finished 9th Austria: tire strategy problem in qualifying, abandonment in the sprint race, bad stop in the race, he could have finished P6 in the Sprint race and P4 in the classic race. Let's see : 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 10 + 3 (austria race sprint) + 10 Or 57 points lost With 57 more points, he would have 86 points, which is 23 less than Russell and 22 more than Norris, not to mention that by having better places, the others would have had fewer points (Ocon would have for example 40 dots and not 59). Also to know that Ocon's settings are actually the ones Alonso passes to him, he is not obliged but does it for the team, so Ocon's performances are superb but less impressive with the right context AND !!!! I forgot about 2 things : In Miami, he got 2× a 5s penalty, one of them was for cutting the chicane, but he slowed down not to gain time, many people didn't understand why the FIA gave him 5s, he should have finished P9 instead of P11. ALSO !!! In Canada, he got a penalty for waving... I mean, every driver does that, even this season, I don't undertsand why he is the only one to get penalised, he should have finished P7 instead of P9. So, he didn't lost 57 points, he lost 63 points
That's how I ended up with 57 : A brief review of Alonso's season: Bahrain: he makes P9 instead of P7 for an engine problem Jeddah: retirement instead of P6 (almost assured) due to an engine problem Australia: breakage of a €2 coin in qualifying depriving it of a possible 3rd or even 2nd place on the grid and a bad start in the race, I will still count a possible P7 Italy: retired instead of P6 following the crash he had with Mick (Mick ran into him) Spain: bad strategy in qualifying (spring in traffic) so P9 instead of possibly p7 Baku: with a slightly better strategy, he could have finished 5th instead of 7th Canada: engine problem that deprives him of a 5th or even 4th place, he finished 9th Austria: tire strategy problem in qualifying, abandonment in the sprint race, bad stop in the race, he could have finished P6 in the Sprint race and P4 in the classic race. Let's see : 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 10 + 3 (austria race sprint) + 10 Or 57 points lost With 57 more points, he would have 86 points, which is 23 less than Russell and 22 more than Norris, not to mention that by having better places, the others would have had fewer points (Ocon would have for example 40 dots and not 59). Also to know that Ocon's settings are actually the ones Alonso passes to him, he is not obliged but does it for the team, so Ocon's performances are superb but less impressive with the right context AND !!!! I forgot about 2 things : In Miami, he got 2× a 5s penalty, one of them was for cutting the chicane, but he slowed down not to gain time, many people didn't understand why the FIA gave him 5s, he should have finished P9 instead of P11. ALSO !!! In Canada, he got a penalty for waving... I mean, every driver does that, even this season, I don't undertsand why he is the only one to get penalised, he should have finished P7 instead of P9. So, he didn't lost 57 points, he lost 63 points
the man is turning 41 at the end of july and he's so far put the shopping cart in q3 in all but three rounds, plus could have started from the front row twice. the cars he was lumbered with in the last twelve years really don't do his skills any justice. so even if he isn't given a drive with alpine in 2023, I'm pretty sure there will be other teams secretly but desperately trying to snatch him and give him at least a two-year deal.
What's up Alfas? Once again, great video! How about a comment about the dive AlphaTauri is having this year? Both Gasly and Tsunoda turned into crash-prone people on the grid and the car is not even close to deliver the performance they had last year. Both HAAS and Alfa Romeo topped them in the standings already.
Counting very optimistically if everything went right and giving him back points in Miami even though it was his fault, I get ≈ 62. At assumes everything goes right which is unrealistic for any driver in F1. So maybe he’s 35-40 points short of what might have been expected given his performances. But it’s not 70, that’s classic Fernando.
Optimistically: Bahrein: Engine issues P7 - P9 +4 Jeddah: He was sixth, not seventh as Aldas said because Hamilton had to stop when he retired. P6 - DNF +8 Melbourne: Qualy would have been P4 and from there let's say that he would have finished in P5 behind both Mercs. P5 - P17 +10 Imola: Clutch issues at sprint and taken out by Mick, would have been P7 or P8, let's say P7. P7 - DNF +6 Miami: Penalty when he gave the advantage he gained of it. P9 - P11 +2 Spain: Traffic in Q1, had to recover from last on the grid and finished P9, without problems P7 just ahead of Ocon. P7 - P9 +4 Monaco and Azerbaijan: Clean weekend, no chance of improving result. Canada: Engine issues made him vulnerable against Mercs. Still they were quicker, so P5 for Fernando. P5 - P9 +8 Silverstone: Clean weekend. Austria: From 8th to last at Sprint, he could have gained two points, behind Ocon. In race P6 was possible even from last place. P6 - P10 and sprint + 9 51 points in total, literally one point less than Ocon's total score. His luck is frightening
@@hectorligerosantos1609 If we are being optimistic I have 1 complaint: Austria. He was consistently faster than Ocon in both practice sessions and Q1 (and race pace on Sunday), but picked up floor damage in Q1. If not for that, I would place him at least P5 in front of Ocon, maybe even P4 in front of Russel if he had a ridiculous last run (which we know he is capable of - see Canada). That would place him in a really good spot for the sprint, giving him anywhere between P4 and P6 depending on how well he could defend against Russel and Perez. That would also give him a better starting position for the race on Sunday, and potentially even more points with both Perez and Sainz dropping out. If we assume he was only marginally better than Ocon, we could just give him Ocon's places in All 3 situations: P5 quali, P6 Sprint, P5 Race = 13 points (up from 1). So +12 total. Theoretically it could've been even more points if we assume he was a decent margin faster than Ocon and taking into account that he definitely is a much better driver when it comes to racecraft and defending, but that would be way too much speculation and a bit too optimistic at that point. This would up him to 54 points missed during the season. Add onto that his 29 points that he already has, and he would be at 83 total, which would put him in p7 in drivers championship. Exactly where he should be as the better of the 2 drivers in the 4th fastest car.
@@petar1401 I didn't count that high on Austria because he made the mistake in Q1, it ws bad luck but he could have avoided it with ease. I've put him P6 just because Alpine doesn't want to risk an accident after what could have happened at Arabia, and would have told Fernando to hold position unless he was much faster than Ocon, something we don't know. But yeah, 80 points is what he should have.
@@hectorligerosantos1609 Fair enough, you make some good points. I just thought that since we were being optimistic, we could be optimistic enough to not be the only car that picked up damage on that cerb. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I find yours very agreeable. Have a nice day!
@@hectorligerosantos1609 In Miami his main problem was the slow pitstop (5.7s) that threw him behind a line of cars with open DRS. If that pitstop was ok, he would came out in p7 or p6 in that race. It is funny how even the pitstop only went wrong in his car. And about Canada, to me the big problem was that alpine didn't pit Alonso under the VSC. He lost so much time being left out with old tyres and not taking advantage of VSC. Ok, the engine issue really happened but even if we remove this problem of the race still isn't any reason to not pit under VSC. About Austria... Well, i am have been saying that Alonso is being sabotage inside the team. If there were any doubts about, after Austria you have to be crazy to no see what's happening.
I just wan to throw out there i calculated points lost or gained due to bad luck for the top 6 drivers so i didnt include Alonso and Lec has lost 80 pts! Legit and Verstappen has lost 35 pts, while Sianz has lost 19, leaving Perez with a net 0 and Russel and Hamilton gaining due to luck about 23 & 24 pts respectively
Everyone knows that if alonso was in a top team he be a championship contender regardless of age. That’s a fact. The same cannot be said about ocon. At best ocon is just a solid midfielder. I still don’t understand how they gave ocon such a cosy long term contract. He’s done nothing outstanding to warrant a contract like that. While alonso anytime in or out, in any machinery he’ll perform.
It’s just because he’s French, so they want him to represent Alpine and help sell cars in France. That said, he is actually quite a good driver, even if he’s not at the level of Alonso, Verstappen, or Hamilton.
Its funny when you put this in perspective. Because it was only the other day when i saw mclaren and alpine on equal points that i thought to myself "no way thats right". But this really shows that had nando actually got the results he ultimately deserved theyd be well clear of mclaren and comfortably 4th in the standings.
Nice video. True fans who look at the detail, nuance and circumstance of his championship can obviously see how strong he still is. The casual crowd are the ones looking at what’s in black and white and making their entire determination from there. Reliability issues aside, Alpine are having a strong year. I don’t understand how they are getting barely any attention.
To be honest, you're the first to see cracks in Fernando's performance in my view, and making a video out of it. It's not just about what he's lost, just think of how many points he could've gained if not for his bad luck
Honestly believe that fernando is the second best driver on the grid behind max, he’s the only one that could challenge max in equal machinery at the moment.
What everyone seems to forget or not even know is that Alpine’s engine this year is designed to have more performance at the cost of less reliability. Taking that into consideration, I think it’s fair to say while his bad luck has still be pretty bad, it’s not like a significant bit of it was not a calculated risk to have more performance in the car
If this luck continue, a decade from now people would all be talking about how Ocon destroyed Alonso in 2022 as he finished higher in points. A classic case of when Hamilton and Button were team mates and Button finished higher in the standing in 2011. Anyone who watched the season would know Hamilton was clearly faster and just bad luck and bad strategies cost him a lot of points. Nothing to discourage Button or even Ocon, as both are good drivers and take full use of any opportunities given, but it would be disingenuous to say Button was faster than Hamilton in 2011, or Ocon faster than Alonso so far in 2022. Being an Alonso fan over the past decade is an exercise in masochism sadly. Numbers never tell the full story of a drivers genius behind the wheel and Alonso is a classic case of that. Great videos Aldas and looking forward to more!
Alonso was p6 before the Sainz incident and he had to pit at that point anyway to get mediums or softs as he only used 2 sets of hards up until then (the rules say that every driver must use at least 2 different compounds during a race in dry conditions). He came out in p9 and had to pit again due to the tire issue, which demoted him to p14. So if you're talking about that, you are right, he was p6 before all those events. But that is not a correction, because the video never said his position before the pit, the video just said he came out in p9 after his pit, which is true. So not really a correction, as much as additional info. But if you're saying he pitted and came out in p6, then pitted again due to the tire issue, you are wrong.
Just this season or his whole career? If someone were to make a full video about the things that went wrong in his career it could be 2 hours long. Honestly a shame. One of the best of his generation but a waste of talent because of shit cars, bad luck and wrong teams.
it's disappointing point wise but just the Austrian Grand Prix itself shows he's still got it, came from last place and with a faulty pit stop was still able to pick up a point. and I think that was outstanding
If they need to make room for Piastri. Stick him in Danny's McLaren. Hopefully he still has a good working relationship with Zak. Or just loan Pastri to Mclaren
Ya that would be a bad business move for Alpine. Reasons = 1. McLaren is a direct constructors competitor to Alpine in 22/23/24. Therefore why would you put your most promising rising star in your closest competitors car. Williams is not a direct threat to Alpine so it’s a better fit. 2. It is public knowledge in the paddock Merc want to drop one of their customer teams to focus on only 2 customers + their works team. It won’t be McLaren because they just signed the new engine deal and pay full rate, not AM cause Toto owns % in team so it’s almost 100% Williams to be dropped. That leaves Renault with an attractive customer potential for the 2026 season. So better to loan them a driver and butter them up to sign a engine contract later on. That’s why Piastri is going to Williams. 100% I can tell you now.
So I've spent 12 minutes watching a video that didn't even answer the question in the title which would've taken 5 to 10 minutes of actually calculating at home...
Great video as always, I definitely agree Fernando has been extremely unlucky so far this season. Btw, I think it might be a good idea to do the same type of episode but this time about Leclerc and Ferrari's strategy + reliability issues. According to my calculations, if not for them, he would have been above Max in the standings ;) Just an idea tho, keep up the good work!
In Miami his main problem was the slow pitstop (5.7s) that threw him behind a line of cars with open DRS. If that pitstop was ok, he would came out in p7 or p6 in that race. It is funny how even the pitstop only went wrong in his car. And about Canada, to me the big problem was that alpine didn't pit Alonso under the VSC. He lost so much time being left out with old tyres and not taking advantage of VSC. Ok, the engine issue really happened but even if we remove this problem of the race still isn't any reason to not pit under VSC. About Austria... Well, i am have been saying that Alonso is being sabotage inside the team. If there were any doubts about, after Austria you have to be crazy to no see what's happening.
Food for thought….Perez is arguably in a car more suited to him this year and over the season is clawing bk a little at Max even tho max will eventually get no1 driver status if needed Carlos S beat leclerk last year but in the early season had to accept finishing behind him and only because he had the smarts to ignore bad strategy saved losing more points. Hamilton likes a loose car which isn’t going to be easy to get with ground effect whereas George has been driving whatever he got handed for a few seasons now and he’s definitely a talent. Alonso ocon is covered in the vid. Fernando is streets ahead.
@@yagermeister1303 my thoughts are LH likes balanced but loose. Max likes a sharp front but seems to be able to handle a very loose rear to achieve this hence why after Dan ric left no other driver has been close to him as it seems to be too extreme for them so they dial it down but that costs lap time. Ah Perez he’s different as I think he aims for minimal sliding and he set his car accordingly to limitations on the tyres of each track ie front or rear hence why he has been able to make tyre life be greater than anyone else. Vettel was untouchable with the blown diffuser I also kinda have a theory that is Ferrari had set the car up more to suit kimi both him and vettel would have done a lot better as I think sebb was trying to get the Ferrari to be like his rb was instead of making it a faster Ferrari…. Look into the periods after titles were decided kimi is noticeable faster and one of the things was the brakes he spun and locked up often but during that little bit at the end of a season all of a sudden he’s making moves stick and seems to be on the limits with the brakes. And where it really showed was both times after it was announced he was leaving! Each driver has their own preferences or style and sometimes they are caught out with a certain car or a certain set of regs that just go against them Just my thoughts tho
I think the only bad luck ocon had this year was in Silverstone: -had his suspension broken in the first lap crash - the team fix it - he was running in the points with good pace - the car broke And of course, he lost a podium in the last lap last year, that must hurt till today
Bahrain, Ocon new spec sidepod blew off so he ran older spec. Imola, Gearbox issue in qualy meant he started last. Miami, crashed into concrete wall, yes was his fault but cracked chassis due to impact because no tecpro. Monaco red flag in Qualy hindered his personal best lap. Silverstone, (you missed this surprisingly) Qualy issues with battery ending him up in 15th. It is actually weird poeple only mention Alonso issues and just simply glance over Ocon issues. Alonso was more unluckier doesnt mean Ocon didn't have issues impacting his race.
When alonso is beaten by a teammate he is praised by the hole f1 community while when seb or LH lose to a teammate their washed and need to retire also I don’t think ocon is anywhere near close to the talent of leclerc riccardo rosberg Russel or button
@@Christzo18 well yes it is the truth. Except for the fact that alonso actually has an excuse in that he drives for French ferrari. Man has only had 3 out of 11 races clean this season
He's not old. He's old compared to most drivers in the field. He's old compared to you. I didn't get married till I was his age. My grandpa died at 96, he was old and knew it, he told me to never get old, he was miserable and said everything was a struggle. Good video, if you add GP2 engine... everything else I found correct. Oh me, I'm 62. Fernando isn't old ;)
I thought you would actually calculate how many points he lost out on. But fine, I'll do it myself: Bahrain: no issues - 0 pts Saudi Arabia: comfortably best of the rest, would've finished p6 - 8 pts Australia: was on for a great lap in quali (though I doubt it would've been pole), so being conservative he'll just be best of the rest once more in p5 - 10 pts Imola: would have been in p7 if it weren't for the crash, probably gets past Magnussen but probably Russell passes him meaning he still finishes p7 - 6 pts Miami: no corner cutting would put him in p8 - 4 pts Spain: no engine penalty would have him finish higher, Ocon was p7 so the conservative estimation is Alonso finishing just behind him in p8 instead of p9 - 2 pts Monaco: no issues - 0 pts Baku: no issues - 0 pts Canada: without a broken engine he'd be so far ahead there's no way he isn't best of the rest, instead of p9 he finishes p6, behind Leclerc after the late SC - 6 pts GB: no issues - 0 pts Austria: would've started the sprint in p8, with thesame pace as Ocon he once again finishes just behind him in p7, and also follows him in the race to p6 instead of the p10 he ended up with - 9 pts So with a quite conservative estimation (Alonso himself would probably say he'd get on the podium in Australia and Canada had he not had issues) he's missed a total of 45 points. I definitely can see that number being a little bit higher, but 60-70 points is overexaggerating.
I think Alonso might be considering offers to compete in next years WEC, theres so many companies that have announced their intentions to compete e.g Ferrari, Accura and Cadailac etc. Not sure how K mag does it but hes in the wingless 9X8 team.
Regardless if his luck does not change this season, if the Alpine is still strong or even stronger next season he will have a better season and score more than Ocon. If anything though Ocon has proved that he deserves his seat and deserves to stay, I would have loved to see a Alonso and Ricciardo combo (My two favourite drivers) but Dani shot himself in the foot with that one.
I mean, what the hell about Lewis and George, their car is so Reliable and that's why they are always in the points. If Alonso had the same reliable car, he would've been much closer than Ocon
Alonso said he lost 80 points due to bad luck. Alpine thinks that they are 4th in the championship after Red Bull, Ferarri, and Merc. Alpine thinks they are better than McLaren, Haas, and Alfa Romeo.
Bruh, when he says it's 60points, it's about 60points. I don't think this man exaggerate at all times. He usually is VERY percise and aware of his car and standings, when he says his car pace was P6 or P7 it usually is. When he says his car is got a few teneth lap time he usually delivers.. his ability to think and count everything considered is what makes him the most well rounded driver over-all
I know people who doesn't trust Fernando because they say he is not winning anymore and he is making up excuses... Poor fools... Everybody who is in F1, no matter where you come from, knows that Fernando is having terrible luck... The others are just ignorants. I'm glad that you, not a Spanish guy like Fernando came to defend him. So sad F1 decided to lost lot of years of Fernando talent in the front...
I mean, this isn't unique to Fernando. Just take a look at someone like Zhou Ghuanyu. Dude has had absolute shit luck all year. He's not driving at the level of Alonso, but he's missed out on so many points when he was in a good position from reliability issues. And then there was Jeddah where his teams inability to properly deal with pit stops and subsequent time penalty made him miss out on points.
And as far as your point about Ocon's reliability, i mean i don't honestly believe he could beat Alonso in an equal car with an equal setup and reliability period
Part of it is Alpine's incompetance. They have a faster car than McLaren but are only tied with them in the standings. If they did a better a strategy in Canada or didn't do the stupidest mistake in Austria.
@@agent6599 In all fairness the safety car played against him....the offset strategy worked terribly for him. Had he not had that issue in quali, he would have been top 5 atleast in the race start (i think top 3) and would have gone for mediums at the start (still not sure if he could have held off russell)
@@agent6599 alpine had the worst tyre wear, sc screwed him, alpine strategie was at ferrari's level, and he was stuck in a 6 cars' train AND STILL HIS TELEMTRY WAS BETTER THAN OCON So yeah, maybe he could
I hope Alpine start fighting for wins and possibly the championship from next year. Alpha Tauri too need to step up and start fighting for podiums (Red bull and Marko won't allow Alpha tauri to fight for the championship but they might give them 1-2 wins). Would be exciting when atleast 8/20 drivers are in contention for the championship .
I wouldn’t say he’s quite at the God-mode he was at in 2012 but his performance this season has been like his other great seasons of ‘05 / ‘06 / ‘14 and ‘17.
Great video ! Could you please make one exactly like this for Sebastian VETTEL aswell coz he’s definitely also had bad lack this year where he could’ve scored good points.
Today another retirement from an engine issue for Alonso after being much quicker than Ocon all weekend. There should be another video like this once the season is over.
Sorry but Ocon has had his share of problems too , here are some 1. Didn't participate in Quali in Imola due to Engine Problem + got a 5sec pen due to Alpine realsing him into Ham 2. Had An ERS Problem in Silverstone Qualifing 3. Had his chassi Cracked in Miami 4.DNF in Silverstone race due to Fuel pump The difference is Ocon his having his problems in Qualifing and Practice where as Alonso has been having them in races
Alpine should just keep Alonso as long as he can deliver. Him being old shouldn't be a reason to kick him out. Ocon is clearly slower this season and if they bring Piastri in next year I think the driver going should be Ocon. Even though he has a contract. He has had enough time to deliver. However if I had to choose 2 from those 3 I still would choose Alonso and Ocon since he hasn't driven badly by any means. Piastri is a tough choice.
@@TheEmolano would love to see Alpine 2023 Alo+Pia, but it is just a dream... Only scenario where this could happend is if Hamilton retires and Ocon would by called by Toto into mercedes as #2 driver
Tbf he does have a point. If he didn’t have all this reliability problems and given how Ocon had performed this year, Alpine would be well clear of McLaren instead of being level on points in the constructors.
The unluckiest people this season (no particular order) 1. Alonso 2. Hamilton (luck seems to be turning) 3. Leclerc 4. Vettel 5. Mick (luck seems to be turning)
I can't say Hamilton is unlucky in 2021, all his podiums are due to engine failure or other reliability issues of Red Bull or Ferrari and none on his merit, Don't know how it's bad luck!
@@gauravkaushik76 What a casual, reliability is improved only when you compromise a bit on performance. Think of it as if you had 100 points to spend on performance and reliability, merc spent more on reliability than the others. The only time reliability becomes luck is when teammates experience it in different amounts. Like before austria leclerc had 2 races ruined due to reliability while sainz had 1 race ruined. The only luck he had in the 3 podiums he got was basically max hitting that part in silverstone, but he also got unlucky afterwards so....
I’m not cert about what’s good with Ocon, he is just another pay driver and somewhat better & consistent than few other pay drivers. Collocation between Alonso and Ocon in itself makes no sense and just ludicrous to say the least
He actually lost 50 to 60 points, it is not cap... I wonder why is his car the only one who's suffering from poor reliability and team & strategy mistakes... Imo, they want to get rid of him, but I really dont know why.
Brooooooo. Fernando Alonso career is such a lie. He should have 5 titles mannnnnn. Gutted for him and this seasons rocket launcher just needs reliability
if you would put all the drivers in the exact same car. i believe max would win and alonso a close second. Alonso even with his age is really one of the best drivers the sport has seen
It's more like 30-35 points really, not being too optimistic. Still, with all the points taken from his rivals, he would now be 7th in the standings which is basically best of the rest.
If that actually were the case then why do these reliability issues not happen to Ocon? The discrepancy in terms of reliability issues and stratgic hiccups between Alonso and Ocon becomes increasingly suspicious.
How I think the standings should be Because of bad luck in drivers 1. Verstappen 2. Leclerc 3. Sainz 4. Perez 5. Russell 6. Hamilton 7. Alonso 8. Norris 9. Bottas 10. Ocon 11. Ricciardo 12. Magnussen 13. Vettel 14. Zhou 15. Gasly 16. Tsunoda 17. Shumacher 18. Stroll 19. Albon 20. Latifi
Nah, if Alonso didn't have any DNF at all, he would be the luckiest man just like Sainz last year. Realistically, let's say he's had 2 DNF's same as Lando or didn't get points, he would have around 60 points, close to Lando.
None, he was lucky enough to drive without any competitive rivals for so many years. For everyone still crying about Abu Dhabi Max deserved it and Max won it, it wouldve been unforgivable to lose a championship because your rivals crashed into you twice
I actually did go through all races and the 60-70 lost points that Nando claims are pretty realistic. I genuily think Australia and Canada would have been really big points if it wasn't for his bad luck.
I calculated, he lost 63 points for me
Yeah it's not an absurd number to be honest, he's had issues at almost every race
Yeah and it is without counting the Spain penalty for new engine and should not come at round 6 only
At least 50 points, so not really exaggerating... Fernando could easily be fighting for P7 in the standings
@@josemojeda1527 he could be on the same amount of point as Lando
I was waiting for something like this episode. It's truly incredible what Fernando is doing with his average car, I hope Alpine can continue their car upgrades and hopefully fight for podiums next season.
I really hope so, like Mercedes this year
It’s actually a very good car propably 4th fastest and I don’t think that getting beaten by ocon is so impressive
@@Christzo18 it isn't because it is a good car that it is reliable
Alpine have an above average car that I believe can fight for the top 5 in the drivers standings and can fight with McLaren in the constructors
@@the_fabulous_p14 it should not fight with McLaren, apart from a few races Alpine has been clear of them!
I honestly hate the thought of newer fans who don't yet grasp the finer details of F1, looking at the points compared to Ocon and thinking Alonso is anything other than a continuing legend. His performances this year are still championship level. But his luck is Minardi level.
there are a lot of older fans as well who look at points, podiums, and championships as if it tells the whole story. it is like saying robert horry is the GOAT of basketball because he has 7 nba champs vs jordan's 6 but we all know he isn't even part of the top bball players in contention
I feel like his whole career has been on the unlucky side. And I'm a new fan. You ask how I know about his career then? Well that's because I purchased F1 TV and went back and watched all his races. In fact, I went back as far as the archives let you, which is 1970 and watched either highlights or full races of every season, just so I won't be called a noob. Although I am still a noob, because I really only became a true fan in 2020.
Then help them understand. You were one of them at some point.
@@HizenHerz24 I'm following F1 actively since +41 years.
While it's true that some old fans never tried to fully understand F1, they are still not as much as with the "new" fans. On top of that the new ones are mostly more aggressive, especially in the comments section. At least that's what I feel.
You're doing the right thing by trying to get as much knowledge as you can from history 👍
I would love to see more new ones do what you do.
Keep it up 😉
@@sesvid I appreciate the comment, thank you. I'm trying. I hate the fact that new fans come in with aggression and negativity. It isn't right from old fans either, but especially new fans. They need to realize they're still learning the sport and its history. Its ok to not know things.
I think he should be a 5 time champ, man got so unlucky throughout his career, would’ve been in the goat debate if he had that bit of luck
8-9 titles in a Mercedes
Completely agree.
If he had been given more top tier cars he probably would be. when u think of seasons in which he had an actual car to challenge with not including his 05 06 wins is 2007 which he tied 2nd 2010 which he came second and i mean u kinda have to say 2012 because he challenged with it but should it have really had a chance of winning in the first place no. the guy has had horrendous luck with cars and if he had won id say another 2 titles for me id have no problem saying hes the greatest driver not only in formula 1 but in motorsport. then again. hes my favourite driver of all time so bias ofcourse
He's still in the GOAT debate for me
i think on pure talent he might be the best of all time but talented doesn't mean the best
Alpine strategists that do the job for alonso are basically ferrari 2.0
In Australia, Alonso literally told them it was a bad call and they disregarded it. When Alonso asked to pit during SC, Alpine kept him out. Alonso replied "Ok, so this is the end of our race." Alonso was right. They made the same mistake again in Canada.
Not only strategists.
Also Engine reliability and how fast the engine can be when it works :D
Alpine could have been very close to Merc in terms of points.
Actually both the Alpine drivers have suffered a lot.
Ocon has had issues in or before qualifying (usually),
Alonso usually in the race.
Hence, Alonso has a superior quali record and Ocon has a superior race record.
Ocon's issues:
Bahrain - Sidepod blows off in FP1. Has to run the old spec for the entire weekend.
Imola - Gearbox failure in Q1. Whole sprint weekend compromised.
Miami - Medium speed crash but into a concrete barrier. Chassis cracked. Missed Qualifying. Plus only 50% fit for the race.
Monaco - Red flag in the only run with new tyres in Q3. Ended up P10. Penalty in the race dropped him out of the points
Silverstone - battery issues in Q2. Ends up p15.
Taken out in T1 by Albon.
Temporary fix allowed the car to rejoin after red flag. Was looking set for easy p7. But then retired due to fuel pump issue.
Not writing Alonso's issues here since they have already been well documented.
Alonso fans just choose to ignore when it's ocon
Super Spurs Firstly, His starting from the back in Miami was his own fault. How is that a reliability issue when he caused it?! Ocon made the exact same mistake Sainz did and binned his car in FP. Secondly, Everyone was affected at Monaco, not just Ocon. That doesnt count as an issue that was Ocon's alone. So 3 issues in all. When Alonso had the same number of reliability issues by Australia. Add to that the strategy mistakes in Australia and Canada (even though Alonso told them on the radio it was a bad idea). Plus the quali miscommunication in Spain that ruined Alonso's quali. Even if you take out race incidents and solely focus on reliability issues alone, Alonso has barely had a race that went smoothly.
@@jacobdean6989 Where? Where did Ocon have reliability issues? Him starting from the back in Miami was his own fault. Ocon binned his car in FP in the same spot Sainz did. So where? Where else has Ocon had issues? For sure not nearly as much as Alonso had. Ocon has had 1 or 2 reliability issues (Silverstone) vs Alonso who's barely had any race without a reliability issue or "pitwall miscommunications"?
@@rumblefish9 I would add to this that Monaco Q3 red flag ruining his quali was also Ocon's fault. When I was watching that quali session something stuck out to me: in both Q1 and Q2 Alonso would put up a very good time in his first run, then improve it a bit, but Ocon would put in a garbage first time, than improve it a lot (even beating Alonso in q2 iirc). But when he did this in Q3, his last run got stopped by the red flag. If he did better first runs, he would've done better in q3, therefore his own fault. Also, picking up a penalty in that same race that dropped him out of points is his own fault, just like Alonso's penalties in Miami were his own fault.
Ocon's only reliability issues were:
#1 Bahrain sidepod in FP1
#2 Imola gearbox in Q1
#3 Silverstone battery in Q2
#4 (Optional) Silverstone race fuel pump (if you want to count this as a result of the T1 crash, than it's not really a reliability issue)
So he had at most 4 reliability issues in 3 races. Compare that to Alonso's issues. The dude had 3 reliability issues in Austria alone. Also keep in mind that most races Ocon had much much better strategy.
Ocon literally only had 2 weekends with issues, one in qualy and another in race, and in the qualy one he didnt even had the pace trhough the entire weekend anyways
Alonso got issues 8/11 races, 9 if we count the awful strategie and ocon would still be 2
I'm pretty sure that if he didn't had any reliability issue during the course of this year he would have 54 more points. That's p7 in the championship and a solid p4 for Alpine. And even if you forget some more hypothetical one like a 5th place in Australia, he would have around 35 points and still p7 and p4 for Alpine.
I really really hope, his luck will come back for the second half of the championship
Everyone suffers reliability issues so you're always going to lose some points, but it's just all the smaller issues that are costing him in individual sessions
@@Aldas001 everyone except Mercedes, that's quite impressive that they had no retirement this season because of reliability. So that's possible.
However, I don't think this is the objective for the season. They got P5 in the constructor championship before the CFD and wind tunnel allocation and will finish P4 I think. And maybe the top 3 will lose some performance because of porpoising maximum amplitude and flexible floor. So 2023 can be a very very good year for them, and being a fan of Alonso since 2005, I really hope it will works for him..
@@Bearcat299 completely agree on the 2023 season. Alpine actually played this season in a very smart way. They knew they were the 5th fastest car at best last season and their engine was by far the worst on the grid. So they decided to just make this years engine and car as fast as possible and think about reliability later. All this development and data they gather this year, along with reliability upgrades to the engine (the only changes allowed until the end of 2025) would make them very strong contenders next year. With the crazy stuff that tends to happen during races, like people crashing out and cars braking down, they could fill the same role Mercedes fills this year. Just be consistently fast and right behind the top teams and pick up points and podiums whenever they make mistakes. Let's just hope we are right and it plays out that way. Fingers crossed!
@@petar1401 couldn't have said it better! 🤞
I'm an Alonso fanatic. Watch him on his prime was a joy, I rank Alonso as the best of his generation (yes, ahead of Hamilton and vettel).
When I heard that he was coming back to f1, I was both excited and worried.
But honestly, by the end of last season, I could see vintage Alonso again, and I knew for sure, that he was going to be very strong in 2022.
Obviously he's not fighting for the world championship, I don't even think that at this point he has the same of leclerc and max (by far the best in the game right now) but it's a relief to realize that Alonso is still performing at a very high level.
But yeah, that's it for me, I'm just happy that he's still putting some really impressive performances, and everybody can say he still belongs in f1, which speaks volumes in itself
When it comes to Alonso, the statics just don't make sense, never did and never will .
Ocon was always neck and neck with Perez who in turn was miles of Max last season. Had Alonso being on his prime he would have close to double the points of Ocon just as Max was to Perez last year. Instead, he was himself neck and neck with Ocon, who is a decent midfield driver but that's it. His comeback is superb for a 41 old, and every odd occasion he puts a really exciting performance that you simply dont get from the other side of garage, but overall his pace, as expected him being a human being is far from his prime circa 2012. Nevertheless I thoroughly enjoy the occasional moment of brilliance he puts in and want him to stay, but I dont buy the frankly deluded belief that he would be able to hold a season long battle with Max right now that some of his hopeful fans believe
2007?
@@magnero2749 man in this season Alonso was going to be like on the double of points of Ocon, we are considering Nando's points but If Alonso would have finished p6 in Jeddah ( and he was going to) ocon would have finished p7 so less points, in Miami even with the 10 second penalty he was going to finish p8 and ocon P9 so less points ( if the SC didn't come out) in Bahrain he was going to finish seventh so ocon eighth, You must consider those things too
@@magnero2749 and remember that a super car will transform every driver in a championship contender, Leclerc last season was defeated by sainz and now he is miles away clear of him, last year ham was on another level, this year he's not, same goes for Vettel in 2018 and 17
@@flavaj12 what about it
I read somewhere that if only he had 5 more points in a few seasons he would have been a 5 time world champion .
This tells the story !
What makes those reliabilty issues even more weird is the fact that his teammate is running exceptionally reliable with the same equipment. I've said this in another forum: the longer into the season we go the more implausible the chances for that amount of bad luck become, especially if your teammate is running practically without any of them. One might suspect acts of sabotage even though it'd be incredibly hard to believe and would mean a PR suicide if uncovered.
I agree with what you're saying but I think we all know if Alpine were going to sabotage one of their drivers, it wouldn't be Alonso.
Maybe they're using a more conservative map for Ocon that is not forcing the engine too much. I doubt Alpine would sabot Fernando
@@jacobturner8965 what makes you so sure about that?
@@TheEmolano Alonso knows about the value of consistency. And while I see his desire to be up in front, the reliability issues he faced weren't performance related: water pump (or fuel pump) im Saudi Arabia, hydraulics in Australia, pneumatics (air) in Canada and electronics in Austria. It's not like he blew a part of the ICE (piston, cylinder head, turbocharger). These failed components don't give you any performance advantages while still being relevant for the functioning of the PU.
You gotta remember that ocon also had car problems in Bahrain, Imola and silverstone
Although this season is frustrating, if alonso can keep at alpine, they are setting themselves up really well. they changed engine setups and went for pure performance, but thats good with these regulations because they can still add reliability over the next few years. Their car is also responding well to upgrades, so we should see them fighting for 4th until the end of the year. They however, are still an exceptionally long way off in terms of fighting the top 3. They are really only great in quali, but suffer some of the worst tire performance in the race, and the car suffers from the same philosophy that renault had for years: low drag and low downforce. so they do really well at tracks like canada, baku, silverstone, monza, spa, but not much else.
60-70 points is not unrealistic
His 2022 season reminds me a bit of Schumacher's 2012 season. While he's performing on top of his game, the car/team constantly lets him down to a point where it looks like sabotage from the outside.
Is that true? I always thought he was too old to compete with "the guy that beat Hamilton in equal machinery"
@@jeffdid9117 Imo, especially in 2010, he was a bit rusty after being out for three seasons. In 2012, especially in Quali, he was rapid by putting that dog of a car in positions where it didn't belong.
It really seems like a sabotage the alpine
I rank Alonso very highly lots of positives on his individual performances the car just needs to stay in one piece and he’ll easily be best of the rest
I would say around 60, he is definitly quicker than Ocon this year but can't compete with him due to bad luck...
I haven't seen him being that good since he left Ferrari
I counted a few days ago how many points he might have lost, I got 57..
Poor Alonso
Lost 40 points even if we take minimum expected results..Maybe even a podium in Australia considering Sainz and Verstappen retired
@@mukulsingh2540 yeah, he lost at least 40 points and maximum 65 I think, such a shame
That's how I ended up with 57 :
A brief review of Alonso's season: Bahrain: he makes P9 instead of P7 for an engine problem
Jeddah: retirement instead of P6 (almost assured) due to an engine problem
Australia: breakage of a €2 coin in qualifying depriving it of a possible 3rd or even 2nd place on the grid and a bad start in the race, I will still count a possible P7
Italy: retired instead of P6 following the crash he had with Mick (Mick ran into him)
Spain: bad strategy in qualifying (spring in traffic) so P9 instead of possibly p7
Baku: with a slightly better strategy, he could have finished 5th instead of 7th
Canada: engine problem that deprives him of a 5th or even 4th place, he finished 9th
Austria: tire strategy problem in qualifying, abandonment in the sprint race, bad stop in the race, he could have finished P6 in the Sprint race and P4 in the classic race. Let's see : 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 10 + 3 (austria race sprint) + 10 Or 57 points lost With 57 more points, he would have 86 points, which is 23 less than Russell and 22 more than Norris, not to mention that by having better places, the others would have had fewer points (Ocon would have for example 40 dots and not 59). Also to know that Ocon's settings are actually the ones Alonso passes to him, he is not obliged but does it for the team, so Ocon's performances are superb but less impressive with the right context
AND !!!!
I forgot about 2 things :
In Miami, he got 2× a 5s penalty, one of them was for cutting the chicane, but he slowed down not to gain time, many people didn't understand why the FIA gave him 5s, he should have finished P9 instead of P11.
ALSO !!! In Canada, he got a penalty for waving... I mean, every driver does that, even this season, I don't undertsand why he is the only one to get penalised, he should have finished P7 instead of P9.
So, he didn't lost 57 points, he lost 63 points
That's how I ended up with 57 :
A brief review of Alonso's season: Bahrain: he makes P9 instead of P7 for an engine problem
Jeddah: retirement instead of P6 (almost assured) due to an engine problem
Australia: breakage of a €2 coin in qualifying depriving it of a possible 3rd or even 2nd place on the grid and a bad start in the race, I will still count a possible P7
Italy: retired instead of P6 following the crash he had with Mick (Mick ran into him)
Spain: bad strategy in qualifying (spring in traffic) so P9 instead of possibly p7
Baku: with a slightly better strategy, he could have finished 5th instead of 7th
Canada: engine problem that deprives him of a 5th or even 4th place, he finished 9th
Austria: tire strategy problem in qualifying, abandonment in the sprint race, bad stop in the race, he could have finished P6 in the Sprint race and P4 in the classic race. Let's see : 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 10 + 3 (austria race sprint) + 10 Or 57 points lost With 57 more points, he would have 86 points, which is 23 less than Russell and 22 more than Norris, not to mention that by having better places, the others would have had fewer points (Ocon would have for example 40 dots and not 59). Also to know that Ocon's settings are actually the ones Alonso passes to him, he is not obliged but does it for the team, so Ocon's performances are superb but less impressive with the right context
AND !!!!
I forgot about 2 things :
In Miami, he got 2× a 5s penalty, one of them was for cutting the chicane, but he slowed down not to gain time, many people didn't understand why the FIA gave him 5s, he should have finished P9 instead of P11.
ALSO !!! In Canada, he got a penalty for waving... I mean, every driver does that, even this season, I don't undertsand why he is the only one to get penalised, he should have finished P7 instead of P9.
So, he didn't lost 57 points, he lost 63 points
Ooh this video is a lovely idea Ramsey 🙌
the man is turning 41 at the end of july and he's so far put the shopping cart in q3 in all but three rounds, plus could have started from the front row twice. the cars he was lumbered with in the last twelve years really don't do his skills any justice. so even if he isn't given a drive with alpine in 2023, I'm pretty sure there will be other teams secretly but desperately trying to snatch him and give him at least a two-year deal.
I can't believe how well this little comment of mine has aged.
I was expecting you to actually calculate how many points he (approximately) lost
What's up Alfas?
Once again, great video!
How about a comment about the dive AlphaTauri is having this year?
Both Gasly and Tsunoda turned into crash-prone people on the grid and the car is not even close to deliver the performance they had last year.
Both HAAS and Alfa Romeo topped them in the standings already.
Yup can't tell if Tsunoda improved or of Gasly got Danielled, both of them are sucking this year.
@@TheEmolano Yes
Yuki definitely improved, but Pierre has dropped the ball quite heavily
alonso was 6 in yeda when he retired, not 7, hamilton was 10
Counting very optimistically if everything went right and giving him back points in Miami even though it was his fault, I get ≈ 62. At assumes everything goes right which is unrealistic for any driver in F1. So maybe he’s 35-40 points short of what might have been expected given his performances. But it’s not 70, that’s classic Fernando.
Optimistically:
Bahrein: Engine issues P7 - P9 +4
Jeddah: He was sixth, not seventh as Aldas said because Hamilton had to stop when he retired. P6 - DNF +8
Melbourne: Qualy would have been P4 and from there let's say that he would have finished in P5 behind both Mercs. P5 - P17 +10
Imola: Clutch issues at sprint and taken out by Mick, would have been P7 or P8, let's say P7. P7 - DNF +6
Miami: Penalty when he gave the advantage he gained of it. P9 - P11 +2
Spain: Traffic in Q1, had to recover from last on the grid and finished P9, without problems P7 just ahead of Ocon. P7 - P9 +4
Monaco and Azerbaijan: Clean weekend, no chance of improving result.
Canada: Engine issues made him vulnerable against Mercs. Still they were quicker, so P5 for Fernando. P5 - P9 +8
Silverstone: Clean weekend.
Austria: From 8th to last at Sprint, he could have gained two points, behind Ocon. In race P6 was possible even from last place. P6 - P10 and sprint + 9
51 points in total, literally one point less than Ocon's total score. His luck is frightening
@@hectorligerosantos1609 If we are being optimistic I have 1 complaint: Austria.
He was consistently faster than Ocon in both practice sessions and Q1 (and race pace on Sunday), but picked up floor damage in Q1. If not for that, I would place him at least P5 in front of Ocon, maybe even P4 in front of Russel if he had a ridiculous last run (which we know he is capable of - see Canada). That would place him in a really good spot for the sprint, giving him anywhere between P4 and P6 depending on how well he could defend against Russel and Perez. That would also give him a better starting position for the race on Sunday, and potentially even more points with both Perez and Sainz dropping out.
If we assume he was only marginally better than Ocon, we could just give him Ocon's places in All 3 situations: P5 quali, P6 Sprint, P5 Race = 13 points (up from 1). So +12 total.
Theoretically it could've been even more points if we assume he was a decent margin faster than Ocon and taking into account that he definitely is a much better driver when it comes to racecraft and defending, but that would be way too much speculation and a bit too optimistic at that point.
This would up him to 54 points missed during the season. Add onto that his 29 points that he already has, and he would be at 83 total, which would put him in p7 in drivers championship. Exactly where he should be as the better of the 2 drivers in the 4th fastest car.
@@petar1401 I didn't count that high on Austria because he made the mistake in Q1, it ws bad luck but he could have avoided it with ease.
I've put him P6 just because Alpine doesn't want to risk an accident after what could have happened at Arabia, and would have told Fernando to hold position unless he was much faster than Ocon, something we don't know.
But yeah, 80 points is what he should have.
@@hectorligerosantos1609 Fair enough, you make some good points. I just thought that since we were being optimistic, we could be optimistic enough to not be the only car that picked up damage on that cerb.
Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I find yours very agreeable. Have a nice day!
@@hectorligerosantos1609 In Miami his main problem was the slow pitstop (5.7s) that threw him behind a line of cars with open DRS.
If that pitstop was ok, he would came out in p7 or p6 in that race.
It is funny how even the pitstop only went wrong in his car.
And about Canada, to me the big problem was that alpine didn't pit Alonso under the VSC. He lost so much time being left out with old tyres and not taking advantage of VSC.
Ok, the engine issue really happened but even if we remove this problem of the race still isn't any reason to not pit under VSC.
About Austria... Well, i am have been saying that Alonso is being sabotage inside the team. If there were any doubts about, after Austria you have to be crazy to no see what's happening.
I just wan to throw out there i calculated points lost or gained due to bad luck for the top 6 drivers so i didnt include Alonso and Lec has lost 80 pts! Legit and Verstappen has lost 35 pts, while Sianz has lost 19, leaving Perez with a net 0 and Russel and Hamilton gaining due to luck about 23 & 24 pts respectively
Everyone knows that if alonso was in a top team he be a championship contender regardless of age. That’s a fact. The same cannot be said about ocon. At best ocon is just a solid midfielder. I still don’t understand how they gave ocon such a cosy long term contract. He’s done nothing outstanding to warrant a contract like that. While alonso anytime in or out, in any machinery he’ll perform.
He is french in a french team. That is why.
It’s just because he’s French, so they want him to represent Alpine and help sell cars in France. That said, he is actually quite a good driver, even if he’s not at the level of Alonso, Verstappen, or Hamilton.
Even at 40s, Fernando is still getting the best out of the car. It's just really hard to imagine, how does he do it. 🗿
Its funny when you put this in perspective. Because it was only the other day when i saw mclaren and alpine on equal points that i thought to myself "no way thats right". But this really shows that had nando actually got the results he ultimately deserved theyd be well clear of mclaren and comfortably 4th in the standings.
‘or due to spinning around’ loooool that seb stray
Can you do a tier list on Worst or best moments in F1 history? It'll be hard and long but as a wise man once said " Keep pushing keep pushing "
A wise man named Tyson once said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"
Nice video. True fans who look at the detail, nuance and circumstance of his championship can obviously see how strong he still is. The casual crowd are the ones looking at what’s in black and white and making their entire determination from there. Reliability issues aside, Alpine are having a strong year. I don’t understand how they are getting barely any attention.
To be honest, you're the first to see cracks in Fernando's performance in my view, and making a video out of it. It's not just about what he's lost, just think of how many points he could've gained if not for his bad luck
Honestly believe that fernando is the second best driver on the grid behind max, he’s the only one that could challenge max in equal machinery at the moment.
What everyone seems to forget or not even know is that Alpine’s engine this year is designed to have more performance at the cost of less reliability. Taking that into consideration, I think it’s fair to say while his bad luck has still be pretty bad, it’s not like a significant bit of it was not a calculated risk to have more performance in the car
If this luck continue, a decade from now people would all be talking about how Ocon destroyed Alonso in 2022 as he finished higher in points. A classic case of when Hamilton and Button were team mates and Button finished higher in the standing in 2011. Anyone who watched the season would know Hamilton was clearly faster and just bad luck and bad strategies cost him a lot of points. Nothing to discourage Button or even Ocon, as both are good drivers and take full use of any opportunities given, but it would be disingenuous to say Button was faster than Hamilton in 2011, or Ocon faster than Alonso so far in 2022. Being an Alonso fan over the past decade is an exercise in masochism sadly. Numbers never tell the full story of a drivers genius behind the wheel and Alonso is a classic case of that. Great videos Aldas and looking forward to more!
One correction: At Austria, Alonso was in P6 before he had to pit again not P9
Alonso was p6 before the Sainz incident and he had to pit at that point anyway to get mediums or softs as he only used 2 sets of hards up until then (the rules say that every driver must use at least 2 different compounds during a race in dry conditions). He came out in p9 and had to pit again due to the tire issue, which demoted him to p14. So if you're talking about that, you are right, he was p6 before all those events.
But that is not a correction, because the video never said his position before the pit, the video just said he came out in p9 after his pit, which is true. So not really a correction, as much as additional info. But if you're saying he pitted and came out in p6, then pitted again due to the tire issue, you are wrong.
Just this season or his whole career? If someone were to make a full video about the things that went wrong in his career it could be 2 hours long. Honestly a shame. One of the best of his generation but a waste of talent because of shit cars, bad luck and wrong teams.
it's disappointing point wise but just the Austrian Grand Prix itself shows he's still got it, came from last place and with a faulty pit stop was still able to pick up a point. and I think that was outstanding
If they need to make room for Piastri. Stick him in Danny's McLaren. Hopefully he still has a good working relationship with Zak. Or just loan Pastri to Mclaren
I thought Piastri will replace Latifi at Williams.
Ya that would be a bad business move for Alpine.
Reasons = 1. McLaren is a direct constructors competitor to Alpine in 22/23/24. Therefore why would you put your most promising rising star in your closest competitors car. Williams is not a direct threat to Alpine so it’s a better fit.
2. It is public knowledge in the paddock Merc want to drop one of their customer teams to focus on only 2 customers + their works team. It won’t be McLaren because they just signed the new engine deal and pay full rate, not AM cause Toto owns % in team so it’s almost 100% Williams to be dropped. That leaves Renault with an attractive customer potential for the 2026 season. So better to loan them a driver and butter them up to sign a engine contract later on.
That’s why Piastri is going to Williams. 100% I can tell you now.
So I've spent 12 minutes watching a video that didn't even answer the question in the title which would've taken 5 to 10 minutes of actually calculating at home...
He's been so unlucky, it hurts. He'd easily be on 80 points rn, clear P7 in the standings. I hope the 2nd half of the season will treat him better
Yes thank you Aldas for this video! 🌟
Crazy how many points he lost...
Curious to know where he would rank without DNF and even DNS...
Great video as always, I definitely agree Fernando has been extremely unlucky so far this season. Btw, I think it might be a good idea to do the same type of episode but this time about Leclerc and Ferrari's strategy + reliability issues. According to my calculations, if not for them, he would have been above Max in the standings ;)
Just an idea tho, keep up the good work!
I thought you were actually going to answer the question in the title not just recap why his points are low
That’s exactly what I was gonna say. Also everyone’s saying it is actually 60 points, so why he didn’t even try to calculate is beyond me
In Miami his main problem was the slow pitstop (5.7s) that threw him behind a line of cars with open DRS.
If that pitstop was ok, he would came out in p7 or p6 in that race.
It is funny how even the pitstop only went wrong in his car.
And about Canada, to me the big problem was that alpine didn't pit Alonso under the VSC. He lost so much time being left out with old tyres and not taking advantage of VSC.
Ok, the engine issue really happened but even if we remove this problem of the race still isn't any reason to not pit under VSC.
About Austria... Well, i am have been saying that Alonso is being sabotage inside the team. If there were any doubts about, after Austria you have to be crazy to no see what's happening.
Food for thought….Perez is arguably in a car more suited to him this year and over the season is clawing bk a little at Max even tho max will eventually get no1 driver status if needed
Carlos S beat leclerk last year but in the early season had to accept finishing behind him and only because he had the smarts to ignore bad strategy saved losing more points.
Hamilton likes a loose car which isn’t going to be easy to get with ground effect whereas George has been driving whatever he got handed for a few seasons now and he’s definitely a talent.
Alonso ocon is covered in the vid. Fernando is streets ahead.
This year cars are loose on the rear, almost all are loose on the rear, so i don't think lewis likes a loose car on the rear.
@@yagermeister1303 my thoughts are LH likes balanced but loose. Max likes a sharp front but seems to be able to handle a very loose rear to achieve this hence why after Dan ric left no other driver has been close to him as it seems to be too extreme for them so they dial it down but that costs lap time. Ah Perez he’s different as I think he aims for minimal sliding and he set his car accordingly to limitations on the tyres of each track ie front or rear hence why he has been able to make tyre life be greater than anyone else. Vettel was untouchable with the blown diffuser
I also kinda have a theory that is Ferrari had set the car up more to suit kimi both him and vettel would have done a lot better as I think sebb was trying to get the Ferrari to be like his rb was instead of making it a faster Ferrari…. Look into the periods after titles were decided kimi is noticeable faster and one of the things was the brakes he spun and locked up often but during that little bit at the end of a season all of a sudden he’s making moves stick and seems to be on the limits with the brakes. And where it really showed was both times after it was announced he was leaving!
Each driver has their own preferences or style and sometimes they are caught out with a certain car or a certain set of regs that just go against them
Just my thoughts tho
I think the only bad luck ocon had this year was in Silverstone:
-had his suspension broken in the first lap crash
- the team fix it
- he was running in the points with good pace
- the car broke
And of course, he lost a podium in the last lap last year, that must hurt till today
Bahrain, Ocon new spec sidepod blew off so he ran older spec. Imola, Gearbox issue in qualy meant he started last. Miami, crashed into concrete wall, yes was his fault but cracked chassis due to impact because no tecpro. Monaco red flag in Qualy hindered his personal best lap. Silverstone, (you missed this surprisingly) Qualy issues with battery ending him up in 15th. It is actually weird poeple only mention Alonso issues and just simply glance over Ocon issues. Alonso was more unluckier doesnt mean Ocon didn't have issues impacting his race.
When alonso is beaten by a teammate he is praised by the hole f1 community while when seb or LH lose to a teammate their washed and need to retire also I don’t think ocon is anywhere near close to the talent of leclerc riccardo rosberg Russel or button
I'm sorry. Wat r u on about?
@@kakie1686 the truth
@@Christzo18 well yes it is the truth. Except for the fact that alonso actually has an excuse in that he drives for French ferrari. Man has only had 3 out of 11 races clean this season
He's not old. He's old compared to most drivers in the field. He's old compared to you. I didn't get married till I was his age. My grandpa died at 96, he was old and knew it, he told me to never get old, he was miserable and said everything was a struggle. Good video, if you add GP2 engine... everything else I found correct. Oh me, I'm 62. Fernando isn't old ;)
I thought you would actually calculate how many points he lost out on. But fine, I'll do it myself:
Bahrain: no issues - 0 pts
Saudi Arabia: comfortably best of the rest, would've finished p6 - 8 pts
Australia: was on for a great lap in quali (though I doubt it would've been pole), so being conservative he'll just be best of the rest once more in p5 - 10 pts
Imola: would have been in p7 if it weren't for the crash, probably gets past Magnussen but probably Russell passes him meaning he still finishes p7 - 6 pts
Miami: no corner cutting would put him in p8 - 4 pts
Spain: no engine penalty would have him finish higher, Ocon was p7 so the conservative estimation is Alonso finishing just behind him in p8 instead of p9 - 2 pts
Monaco: no issues - 0 pts
Baku: no issues - 0 pts
Canada: without a broken engine he'd be so far ahead there's no way he isn't best of the rest, instead of p9 he finishes p6, behind Leclerc after the late SC - 6 pts
GB: no issues - 0 pts
Austria: would've started the sprint in p8, with thesame pace as Ocon he once again finishes just behind him in p7, and also follows him in the race to p6 instead of the p10 he ended up with - 9 pts
So with a quite conservative estimation (Alonso himself would probably say he'd get on the podium in Australia and Canada had he not had issues) he's missed a total of 45 points. I definitely can see that number being a little bit higher, but 60-70 points is overexaggerating.
He has only Lost about 35-40 points this year
"only"?
I think Alonso might be considering offers to compete in next years WEC, theres so many companies that have announced their intentions to compete e.g Ferrari, Accura and Cadailac etc. Not sure how K mag does it but hes in the wingless 9X8 team.
Regardless if his luck does not change this season, if the Alpine is still strong or even stronger next season he will have a better season and score more than Ocon. If anything though Ocon has proved that he deserves his seat and deserves to stay, I would have loved to see a Alonso and Ricciardo combo (My two favourite drivers) but Dani shot himself in the foot with that one.
I mean, what the hell about Lewis and George, their car is so Reliable and that's why they are always in the points. If Alonso had the same reliable car, he would've been much closer than Ocon
Alonso said he lost 80 points due to bad luck. Alpine thinks that they are 4th in the championship after Red Bull, Ferarri, and Merc. Alpine thinks they are better than McLaren, Haas, and Alfa Romeo.
Bruh, when he says it's 60points, it's about 60points. I don't think this man exaggerate at all times. He usually is VERY percise and aware of his car and standings, when he says his car pace was P6 or P7 it usually is. When he says his car is got a few teneth lap time he usually delivers.. his ability to think and count everything considered is what makes him the most well rounded driver over-all
I know people who doesn't trust Fernando because they say he is not winning anymore and he is making up excuses... Poor fools... Everybody who is in F1, no matter where you come from, knows that Fernando is having terrible luck... The others are just ignorants.
I'm glad that you, not a Spanish guy like Fernando came to defend him.
So sad F1 decided to lost lot of years of Fernando talent in the front...
I mean, this isn't unique to Fernando. Just take a look at someone like Zhou Ghuanyu.
Dude has had absolute shit luck all year. He's not driving at the level of Alonso, but he's missed out on so many points when he was in a good position from reliability issues. And then there was Jeddah where his teams inability to properly deal with pit stops and subsequent time penalty made him miss out on points.
And as far as your point about Ocon's reliability, i mean i don't honestly believe he could beat Alonso in an equal car with an equal setup and reliability period
Part of it is Alpine's incompetance. They have a faster car than McLaren but are only tied with them in the standings. If they did a better a strategy in Canada or didn't do the stupidest mistake in Austria.
Throughout his career he should definitely have won more titles. This year he's driving fantastically but it just isn't coming together.
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I think Alonso should be 7th in the standings with two 3rd place finishes (podiums in Australia and Canada)
Australia? No way. I know he had a problem in quali but in the race he was nowhere
@@agent6599 In all fairness the safety car played against him....the offset strategy worked terribly for him. Had he not had that issue in quali, he would have been top 5 atleast in the race start (i think top 3) and would have gone for mediums at the start (still not sure if he could have held off russell)
@@agent6599 alpine had the worst tyre wear, sc screwed him, alpine strategie was at ferrari's level, and he was stuck in a 6 cars' train
AND STILL HIS TELEMTRY WAS BETTER THAN OCON
So yeah, maybe he could
I hope Alpine start fighting for wins and possibly the championship from next year. Alpha Tauri too need to step up and start fighting for podiums (Red bull and Marko won't allow Alpha tauri to fight for the championship but they might give them 1-2 wins). Would be exciting when atleast 8/20 drivers are in contention for the championship .
I wouldn’t say he’s quite at the God-mode he was at in 2012 but his performance this season has been like his other great seasons of ‘05 / ‘06 / ‘14 and ‘17.
WTF did he do in 2017?
Great video ! Could you please make one exactly like this for Sebastian VETTEL aswell coz he’s definitely also had bad lack this year where he could’ve scored good points.
That crash with Mick in Miami was painful...
Not near as impressive as Fernando
Today another retirement from an engine issue for Alonso after being much quicker than Ocon all weekend. There should be another video like this once the season is over.
2012 Fernando was his absolute peak that Ferrari was dreadful that year and he was 3 points off winning the world championship
Sorry but Ocon has had his share of problems too , here are some
1. Didn't participate in Quali in Imola due to Engine Problem + got a 5sec pen due to Alpine realsing him into Ham
2. Had An ERS Problem in Silverstone Qualifing
3. Had his chassi Cracked in Miami
4.DNF in Silverstone race due to Fuel pump
The difference is Ocon his having his problems in Qualifing and Practice where as Alonso has been having them in races
Alpine should just keep Alonso as long as he can deliver. Him being old shouldn't be a reason to kick him out. Ocon is clearly slower this season and if they bring Piastri in next year I think the driver going should be Ocon. Even though he has a contract. He has had enough time to deliver. However if I had to choose 2 from those 3 I still would choose Alonso and Ocon since he hasn't driven badly by any means. Piastri is a tough choice.
Imagine Alonso teaching Piastri, but I doubt he would do it
@@TheEmolano would love to see Alpine 2023 Alo+Pia, but it is just a dream... Only scenario where this could happend is if Hamilton retires and Ocon would by called by Toto into mercedes as #2 driver
70 points in 11 races are about 6 points on average per race which seems at least to be absolutely in the room of possibility !
Tbf he does have a point. If he didn’t have all this reliability problems and given how Ocon had performed this year, Alpine would be well clear of McLaren instead of being level on points in the constructors.
With all this, no one is calling for Alonso to quit, how strange
Canada penalty was a joke hahaha
The unluckiest people this season (no particular order)
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton (luck seems to be turning)
3. Leclerc
4. Vettel
5. Mick (luck seems to be turning)
I can't say Hamilton is unlucky in 2021, all his podiums are due to engine failure or other reliability issues of Red Bull or Ferrari and none on his merit, Don't know how it's bad luck!
@@gauravkaushik76 What a casual, reliability is improved only when you compromise a bit on performance. Think of it as if you had 100 points to spend on performance and reliability, merc spent more on reliability than the others. The only time reliability becomes luck is when teammates experience it in different amounts. Like before austria leclerc had 2 races ruined due to reliability while sainz had 1 race ruined.
The only luck he had in the 3 podiums he got was basically max hitting that part in silverstone, but he also got unlucky afterwards so....
This is why I watch really 3d.
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I’m not cert about what’s good with Ocon, he is just another pay driver and somewhat better & consistent than few other pay drivers. Collocation between Alonso and Ocon in itself makes no sense and just ludicrous to say the least
A little bit annoying you didn't actually give a rough estimate of the amount points Alonso has lost...
Make A Video On Mick Schumacher From Crashing At Jeddah & Monaco To Scoring Points At Silverstone & Austria !
Alpine clearly have the 4th fastest car and you would think only reliability will stop them beating McLaren. Alonso would be ahead of Lando by now.
He actually lost 50 to 60 points, it is not cap... I wonder why is his car the only one who's suffering from poor reliability and team & strategy mistakes... Imo, they want to get rid of him, but I really dont know why.
If Fernando Alonso said that he thinks he’s lost almost 70 points than what has Carlos Sainz lost
One of my 3 favorite drivers in 21 century
Alonso should have been in tight battle with Lando if his bad luck didn't come.
That Miami penalty wasn´t deserved as you said, if Bottas can´t overtake thats his problem
Brooooooo. Fernando Alonso career is such a lie. He should have 5 titles mannnnnn. Gutted for him and this seasons rocket launcher just needs reliability
Agree, he deserves more titles than 2. I would totally hand him 1 from Vettel and 2 from Hamilton
@@fingerprints2983 Cant forget the Raikkonen season :(
Maybe Alonso could've had a lot more points if not for the reliability issue, which you ought to agree with.
if you would put all the drivers in the exact same car. i believe max would win and alonso a close second. Alonso even with his age is really one of the best drivers the sport has seen
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
Alonso right now reminds me of Michael Jordan. Not Chicago Bulls Jordan, Washington Wizards Jordan.
And if nothing else, what you're saying is that George is driving at a higher level than Lewis. 😂
4:03 video starts
The guy the deserved the third championship, imagine him achieving it at 50~
Fernando is the anti-Hamilton in terms of luck
It's more like 30-35 points really, not being too optimistic. Still, with all the points taken from his rivals, he would now be 7th in the standings which is basically best of the rest.
Reliability can come at the cost of development for performance, we don't know if the car would be so fast if it was more reliable
If that actually were the case then why do these reliability issues not happen to Ocon? The discrepancy in terms of reliability issues and stratgic hiccups between Alonso and Ocon becomes increasingly suspicious.
Do an video about vettel, there is big hate and just disrespect around him... but he is doing amazing job in an 9th fastest car
60-70 points are a bit too much. But I counted at least 40 points, that is quite a lot!
Good video but a qualitative maths would have been a bit more appreciated
How I think the standings should be
Because of bad luck in drivers
1. Verstappen
2. Leclerc
3. Sainz
4. Perez
5. Russell
6. Hamilton
7. Alonso
8. Norris
9. Bottas
10. Ocon
11. Ricciardo
12. Magnussen
13. Vettel
14. Zhou
15. Gasly
16. Tsunoda
17. Shumacher
18. Stroll
19. Albon
20. Latifi
Verstappen and russell are more lucky
@@alexlacl8730 I still think Max would be ahead of Charles but only by less than 5 points same with George and Lewis
Nah, if Alonso didn't have any DNF at all, he would be the luckiest man just like Sainz last year. Realistically, let's say he's had 2 DNF's same as Lando or didn't get points, he would have around 60 points, close to Lando.
Do a video on how many championships Lewis has lost due to bad luck please!
2007 2010 2012 2016 2021
None, he was lucky enough to drive without any competitive rivals for so many years. For everyone still crying about Abu Dhabi Max deserved it and Max won it, it wouldve been unforgivable to lose a championship because your rivals crashed into you twice
ratio
@@regularMB How about you go ratio the father that left you instead
Imagine thinking Lewis isn’t the luckiest competitor in all sporting history 😂
60 points is actually not unreasonable, if you add them up race by race.
Alonso is a legendary driver for sure, no doubt about it