When adding in what he said about how he wasn't that interested and how Kevin said in his book that he had the brains and the skills to really analyze everything but not have much heart to drive compared to brain, it all adds up. Maybe it just took him a while to realize that racing may not be the career for him that he originally thought. Though it's nice to see the analysis skills Kevin brought up as Jolyon's strongpoints being put to good use in F1 through all the analysis content he makes for the sport.
There are far fewer legendary commentators that legendary F1 drivers. Murray, Hunt, Brundle. So it's a pretty big honour if he is able to cement himself in that list.
I really like him as a commentator and analyst. Glad to see that where one thing didn't work out quite so well for him, he was able to end up in a position where things go better for him. It's also worth saying that being happy with what you're doing is really worth a lot more than doing something you dreamed of, but are miserable while doing it, even if the dream thing is considered to be more desirable. I went to college specifically to become a ship's officer in the merchant marine. I then got to do exactly what I wanted to do. I was a deck officer sailing on container ships all over the world. I made a lot of money and had tons of time off and really good benefits. I hated it, and quit after 4 years to become a truck driver. I took about a 50% pay cut over all, went from working 6 months of the year to working 70 hour weeks like 40 weeks a year, and 50 hour weeks the rest of the time, and was far more happy with life that way. Now I work with my dad teaching people to drive at a truck driving school. It's way less money and I spend a lot more time at work. No one hears my job and says, "wow that must be so cool" or, "Oh many I bet you make BANK doing that," and truck drivers aren't generally very well respected. I would much rather be a truck driver for the rest of my life than spend 1 more month at sea as a ship's officer. It's far better to be happy.
Well said. For anyone who might read this: I decided I'd be a doctor at the age of 4, and spent my whole life dedicated to that calling. I was bloody good at it and well liked by both colleagues and patients. Guess what? I hated every minute, not helped that being a UK doctor is one of the hardest and most thankless and miserable tasks you can possibly imagine for a lot less money than you'd think... A life wasted - My advice if you're not happy with what you are doing is to ask "Why?" then do something positive about it.
@@charlesjmouseAdam Kay wrote a book "This might hurt" (or something similar), it's his memoirs of being a junior doctor, a post he later resigned from. You might like it
My favorite thing about Palmer is how he can laugh about his career now. I love when he visit’s bbc’s f1 podcast and they can make fun of his career and he goes with it
The book quote you gave is so very interesting because it not only explains why he struggled as a driver but it explains why he is one of my very favorite talking heads.
"Where's Palmer?" "Palmer has retired." "KARMA!" Jokes aside, I just watched F1 regularly since last year, yet simply due to me being a statistics maniac, I knew that Jolyon really did have 2 rough seasons in F1. Didn't really know what caused it back then, though. By the way, hard to believe that KMag and Nico actually were about to be paired as early as 2017, eventually happening 6 years later. 🗿
At the end of the day he wasn’t a remotely decent F1 driver, but he did win the GP2 championship with one of his various wins and poles that season being at Monaco of all places, and winning the championship over Stoffel Vandoorne who’s regarded to be one of if not the greatest junior drivers of his generation so clearly there’s some degree of ability there as a racing driver
He won GP2 in his 4th season, whereas really good drivers win it, or at least come close, in their first year. E.g. George Russell, who between 2008 and 2018 competed in 19 different championships. In those 10 years, George finished in... First Place: 13 times Second Place: 4 times Third Place: 2 twice. 😙 Tbh, I read this about George a while ago and have been waiting for a chance to use it 😂.
Even describing it as his 4th season is generous, given his two seasons of "FIA Formula Two" before he entered GP2. Jolyon was lucky to make it into F1, and probably wouldn't have done without the power of his family motorsport connections. That he wasn't good enough for F1 still leaves him as one of the best drivers in the world by any lesser yardstick, and he's found his real calling in punditry and analysis. That's nothing to be ashamed of.
@@aberamagold7509 that’s a fair use of that stat I can’t lie 😂, yeah he was without a doubt more on the side of using his experience within the championship of the way the tyres worked and understanding the car more than probably anyone else, but having all that experience is worth nothing if you don’t have a degree of ability to put it to good use
I think Vandoorne was the bigest lost for F1. The worst time for McLaren, one the the most difficult and political team mate Fernando, who basicaly run the team (over Brown) around him. On the top of that, Brown didn't really wanted Stoffel, absolutely no support from him, just waiting to put Lando in the car. You can tell that DeVries was in front of Tsunoda ^^, Jolyon in front of K-Mag...
Aldas.. so good to hear your frank assessment of British media with their hyped reporting of local drivers. I moved to F1TV from Sky this year and fully rate their reasoned and balanced commentary .. of which Jolyon is often part of. His analysis is on-point and something of a post race highlight for me. Sky seems like tabloid gossip by comparison. Good vid.
@@TheMRose Gotcha, we had few options for watching F1 here until recently, but the NZ broadcast supplier dropped out. Actually improved things by doing so ..
This is like asking if someone was a bad NFL quarterback, premier league footballer or a bad NBA forward. He made it to the top tier. Even if he didn't deserve his seat, he was still *good enough* to make his way into a seat he didn't deserve. That's still head and shoulders above thousands and thousands of aspirants. (I'm not saying I think he didn't deserve it. I think objectively having it is the same as deserving it. As baseball players say "you have to be good to be lucky and you have to be lucky to be good.") And if it set him up for his current role as a thoughtful and intelligent analyst, we all benefited from it.
Sportsperson: Works extremely hard to get to the top tier of an elite sport. Talentless RUclips hack: 'How much does this guy suck?'. The fucking nerve on this child.
As an analyst he is fine. As a driver though, when we talk about Palmer my only real highlight of him is the Alonso incident in Monza with the Chicane and the Karma😂
Because the Dutch media are so balanced about Verstappen, the Spanish media about Alonso/Sainz, the French media about Ocon/Gasly, the Australian media about........😂😂😂😂
Palmer is one of my favorite commentators/analysts in F1. He's always got some good insight and he's not afraid to make observations at his own expense. Seems like a guy that would be fun to hang out with.
I always look forward to Palmer’s race analysis as not only does he have the experience, but the skills to explain his valuable point of view. As far as his F1 career, who can say? There are so many factors to analyze when evaluating a driver, yet how many of us truly understand what goes on behind the scenes? Looking at the recent form of both Renault and Alpine perhaps there’s plenty we don’t know.
As someone that follows Jolyon a bit in his GP2 days, think the assessment is a bit harsh - yes he only won it in his 4th year, but if you watch some of races he's done, there would be enough divebombs you saw that would recall a certain Danny Ric in a Red Bull. I do agree his F1 performance is disappointing & Carlos is definitely a better driver, but saying this made Renault jumps from 8th to 6th doesn't really add up - Carlos scored 6 points from those 4 races and without those they would still finish in front of Haas
He didn't made the cut as a driver in f1, but as a pundit/analyst he is right up there. I sometimes watch the channel 4 coverage and he is a welcome addition with Coulthard and/or Webber
Good on him though, regardless of the stint, he made it to the top level of his sport…he’s also a hell of a commentator and I really enjoy listening to him.
I miss Cyril Abiteboul being in F1. For some reason I just like the guy. Plus he used to piss off Horner, mostly because he signed Daniel, which was fun for everyone.
I always like when skysports had him live on the pitwall during races and his accent is so strong it was a game for me to decipher what he was saying on top of all the engine noise and pitlane ambience
To be honest Horner wasn't pissed about Renault signing Daniel, he was more likely pissed that Renault kept giving his team engines that were about as reliable as an absentee Dad paying his child support
i can only imagine how tough it is to reach your dream after working so long, only for it to fall apart like that. hopefully he realizes what a great career he has as an analyst, and with his recent f1 experience, he has more insights than most people on the tv.
He wasn't BAD per se. Things just didn't click. He should have started in a satellite seat where the team wraps their hands around him and allow him years of developing himself. He could have achieved more, Renault was (and arguably still is) a toxic environment.
Always enjoyed listening to Palmer on 5live, he’s got a future in punditry for sure. Even though he had a rough ride is F1, like many young talents, I’m surprised he doesn’t race at all anymore in Sportcars or GTs.
Anyone who gets a drive as an f1 driver is already better than anyone who makes comments. They are athletes, warriors and have talent far an above what we can muster. Armchair pundits and sofa commentators.
His rookie season was much more solid than I remembered (2017 must be what I remember). He’s an amazing analyst + mega likable though. I’m super happy for him that he’s loving his new role.
What KMag said about him shows how much he's not made for racing. He's a great analyst after all. That's what he's built to do.His unsuccessful racing career probably helped that though.
interesting that in 2023 - you have Hulk & K-Mag racing together...... And yeah - Palmer had to create a splash or have a big $ backer - he didn't. Renault made the only decision they could - surprised they waited almost 2 seasons... As an analyst & commentator he is excellent and one of my go-to's
To get a seat in f1. You have to be Bloody talented in the first place. Tiff needell drove an f1 shitbox, at Monaco one year, didn't even reach Qualifying. That was the end of his F1 career. Couldn't say tiff's a shit driver. Lol. Something to tell ya kids though init. Just to know you drove a ridiculously Fast racing car, at over 200mph, for 70 Laps. Man, that has to feel awesome. Great video. 👍
How Bad Was Jolyon Palmer in F1? depends on which context, an example; could you really speak of Joylon's lack of talent knowing you yourself will never be a world champion on anything, never mind competitively drive a Formula 1 car? Realistically Joylon is far from the bottom of the bad drivers that made it into F1, he actually won the merit to be there by being a GP2 World Champion, and the whole " ohh that season was weak " trust me, the weakest driver on that grid would run circles around any of us in the comment list. Joylon was not a bad driver, he just failed to put together a path for him to display his full potential, like many before him and many after him. I see Stoffel Vandoorne a MUCH bigger disappointment than Joylon.
This is the truth. No one who gets to F3 or F2, let alone wins it, is a very good driver. Not the best F1, but that is the pinnacle of motorsport. If you think it’s easy, even trying competitively in racing sims will show you how tough the competition is.
Honestly, Jolyon is the best on-air commentator there is if you like hearing bits from a driver. He's an incredibly good presenter. Merely driving in F1 and not finishing last is quite an accomplishment, IMHO.
I remember Joylon from back in 2016-17 and he was just not mentally strong enough for the circuit racing. As K Mag said, he is more of a textbook guy than a racer. Glad that he made it to the commentator's box and is doing a brilliant job there.
I think Magnussen's comments about Palmer are spot on. He's great at analysis, he's great at going through telemetry, pointing out good things, and flaws. But he lacks confidence in himself to apply what he teaches
i did notice when he was Lotus's test/ reserve driver his practice session times didn't excite attention. I wondered at the time how well he'd do as an actual driver. As a commentator I've actually stopped waiting for the race on Telly that's delayed and started listening to it live on radio because of Palmer, he's probably the best Commentator/ Pundit around.
People have been telling in that forever on his videos. It's been on every single one that randomly pops up in my suggested feed and every single time people complain about it. I think it's the first "editing thing" this guy learned how to do so now he refuses to drop it no matter how lame it is.
This dude makes good videos. But every time i come back to them im stunned by how he still uses the stupid snap sound so damn often at random ass points throughout.
always supported him as a driver. starting an f1 career in an important can be a mistake and did not work for majority of driver, cause without formula 1's experience, you need to learn with a small team, where decent results are enough. renault has big expectation, bad organization, and no mercy for people. this hasn't changed today despite being renamed "alpine".
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Although he was pretty bad
He did give everybody the best advice
“You have to be alert on a street circuit”
After he binned it at Monaco 😂
Because in street circuit, once you make mistake it’s hard to recovery it
Lol
be alert
"He drives with his brain, not his heart"
Great quote from K Mag
As Gunther would say "that's some Viking stuff there".
Not really.
K Mag drives with his balls
Jolyon Palmer is a mega likeable guy and I absolutely love his work as an analyst. I'm very happy for him.
You call stating the obvious analyzing?
@@Bale4Bond better then the bucketload of bullshit out there.
@@slowspecv69 anyone can provide more legitimate and sensible insight than Tommo, i can give you that.
@@Bale4Bond very fair lool
@@Bale4Bond less biased than most of the other Brits that just kiss up to the brit drivers.
One must remember that even the 'bad' F1 drivers are extremely skilled
not true. Look at Stroll
@@godardthspielwells stroll isnt F1 driver but F1 clown
When adding in what he said about how he wasn't that interested and how Kevin said in his book that he had the brains and the skills to really analyze everything but not have much heart to drive compared to brain, it all adds up. Maybe it just took him a while to realize that racing may not be the career for him that he originally thought. Though it's nice to see the analysis skills Kevin brought up as Jolyon's strongpoints being put to good use in F1 through all the analysis content he makes for the sport.
Yeah, that single remark from K-Mag actually explains a lot. Especially how on earth could such a below average driver be such a great analyst.
@@mikosoftJonathan Palmer was very similar.
Jolyon found his calling. He was born for F1, just not the way he expected.
There are far fewer legendary commentators that legendary F1 drivers. Murray, Hunt, Brundle. So it's a pretty big honour if he is able to cement himself in that list.
Not the best F1 driver, but definitely the best f1 analyst. His post race video's are a must watch !
I get almost as excited for Jolyon's Analysis as for the actual race. It's fantastic content.
take a gander at Peter Windsor for post race analysis to see actual F1 nous
@@andym9047 Windsor is a biased clown
The best??? Just because he is pro brit?
I really like him as a commentator and analyst. Glad to see that where one thing didn't work out quite so well for him, he was able to end up in a position where things go better for him. It's also worth saying that being happy with what you're doing is really worth a lot more than doing something you dreamed of, but are miserable while doing it, even if the dream thing is considered to be more desirable. I went to college specifically to become a ship's officer in the merchant marine. I then got to do exactly what I wanted to do. I was a deck officer sailing on container ships all over the world. I made a lot of money and had tons of time off and really good benefits. I hated it, and quit after 4 years to become a truck driver. I took about a 50% pay cut over all, went from working 6 months of the year to working 70 hour weeks like 40 weeks a year, and 50 hour weeks the rest of the time, and was far more happy with life that way. Now I work with my dad teaching people to drive at a truck driving school. It's way less money and I spend a lot more time at work. No one hears my job and says, "wow that must be so cool" or, "Oh many I bet you make BANK doing that," and truck drivers aren't generally very well respected. I would much rather be a truck driver for the rest of my life than spend 1 more month at sea as a ship's officer. It's far better to be happy.
Well said. For anyone who might read this: I decided I'd be a doctor at the age of 4, and spent my whole life dedicated to that calling. I was bloody good at it and well liked by both colleagues and patients. Guess what? I hated every minute, not helped that being a UK doctor is one of the hardest and most thankless and miserable tasks you can possibly imagine for a lot less money than you'd think...
A life wasted - My advice if you're not happy with what you are doing is to ask "Why?" then do something positive about it.
@@charlesjmouseAdam Kay wrote a book "This might hurt" (or something similar), it's his memoirs of being a junior doctor, a post he later resigned from. You might like it
He will surely be remembered by all the fans for the Alonso team radio.
My favorite thing about Palmer is how he can laugh about his career now. I love when he visit’s bbc’s f1 podcast and they can make fun of his career and he goes with it
The book quote you gave is so very interesting because it not only explains why he struggled as a driver but it explains why he is one of my very favorite talking heads.
Ten second is a "yoke"! - Nando
a yoke!
Fernando “karma” Alonso
Five seconds not ten!
Shame it didn't work out for him, but he's the best analyst by a mile , really knows his stuff
"Where's Palmer?"
"Palmer has retired."
"KARMA!"
Jokes aside, I just watched F1 regularly since last year, yet simply due to me being a statistics maniac, I knew that Jolyon really did have 2 rough seasons in F1. Didn't really know what caused it back then, though. By the way, hard to believe that KMag and Nico actually were about to be paired as early as 2017, eventually happening 6 years later. 🗿
I can't believe we have a Palmer video without the mention of his "KARMA"
British bias, protect the pay driver
5 seconds is a yolk
Wasn’t a fan of him driving but him as an analyst I love to watch.
At the end of the day he wasn’t a remotely decent F1 driver, but he did win the GP2 championship with one of his various wins and poles that season being at Monaco of all places, and winning the championship over Stoffel Vandoorne who’s regarded to be one of if not the greatest junior drivers of his generation so clearly there’s some degree of ability there as a racing driver
He won GP2 in his 4th season, whereas really good drivers win it, or at least come close, in their first year.
E.g. George Russell, who between 2008 and 2018 competed in 19 different championships.
In those 10 years, George finished in...
First Place: 13 times
Second Place: 4 times
Third Place: 2 twice.
😙 Tbh, I read this about George a while ago and have been waiting for a chance to use it 😂.
@@aberamagold7509 Most usually win in season 2, but it would be good
Even describing it as his 4th season is generous, given his two seasons of "FIA Formula Two" before he entered GP2.
Jolyon was lucky to make it into F1, and probably wouldn't have done without the power of his family motorsport connections. That he wasn't good enough for F1 still leaves him as one of the best drivers in the world by any lesser yardstick, and he's found his real calling in punditry and analysis. That's nothing to be ashamed of.
@@aberamagold7509 that’s a fair use of that stat I can’t lie 😂, yeah he was without a doubt more on the side of using his experience within the championship of the way the tyres worked and understanding the car more than probably anyone else, but having all that experience is worth nothing if you don’t have a degree of ability to put it to good use
You do realize that Vandoorne actually turned out to be the 2nd greatest disappointment of the last decade, right?
Hulkenburg is an under-the-Radar career killer. Doing it now in 2023 with KMag
I can see De Vries being a modern Palmer/Vandoorne, GP2/F2 winner but struggling in F1
Yeah, it is obvious no team thought of him as a top prospect either or he would have been in f1 much sooner.
I think Vandoorne was the bigest lost for F1. The worst time for McLaren, one the the most difficult and political team mate Fernando, who basicaly run the team (over Brown) around him. On the top of that, Brown didn't really wanted Stoffel, absolutely no support from him, just waiting to put Lando in the car.
You can tell that DeVries was in front of Tsunoda ^^, Jolyon in front of K-Mag...
Aldas.. so good to hear your frank assessment of British media with their hyped reporting of local drivers. I moved to F1TV from Sky this year and fully rate their reasoned and balanced commentary .. of which Jolyon is often part of. His analysis is on-point and something of a post race highlight for me. Sky seems like tabloid gossip by comparison.
Good vid.
American here. Even in light of how terrible US media is, Sky is tabloid gossip.
@@TheMRose Gotcha, we had few options for watching F1 here until recently, but the NZ broadcast supplier dropped out. Actually improved things by doing so ..
Muh' British bad. Go back to formuladank mate
Jolyon lived the dream, he made it to the top of Motorsport. Now he's doing something he's great at so it all worked out in the end.
This is like asking if someone was a bad NFL quarterback, premier league footballer or a bad NBA forward. He made it to the top tier. Even if he didn't deserve his seat, he was still *good enough* to make his way into a seat he didn't deserve. That's still head and shoulders above thousands and thousands of aspirants. (I'm not saying I think he didn't deserve it. I think objectively having it is the same as deserving it. As baseball players say "you have to be good to be lucky and you have to be lucky to be good.")
And if it set him up for his current role as a thoughtful and intelligent analyst, we all benefited from it.
Sportsperson: Works extremely hard to get to the top tier of an elite sport.
Talentless RUclips hack: 'How much does this guy suck?'.
The fucking nerve on this child.
Jolyon still is a cult hero in my group of friends, because you always have to be alert on a street circuit
As an analyst he is fine. As a driver though, when we talk about Palmer my only real highlight of him is the Alonso incident in Monza with the Chicane and the Karma😂
Shame there is no mention of his dad, Johnathan Palmer. He was an F1 driver and won the 1987 F1 Naturally Aspirated championship
“Overhyped comments from British media, for British drivers” pretty much sums up all of F1.
Because the Dutch media are so balanced about Verstappen, the Spanish media about Alonso/Sainz, the French media about Ocon/Gasly, the Australian media about........😂😂😂😂
The guy made it to F1...the pinnacle. Hats off.
"Palmer retired"
"Ahh Karma" - Fernando Alonso
I miss the old Renault black and yellow liveries. They were so good.
Also, British media is pretty much consistently among the worst parts of F1.
Palmer is one of my favorite commentators/analysts in F1. He's always got some good insight and he's not afraid to make observations at his own expense. Seems like a guy that would be fun to hang out with.
I always look forward to Palmer’s race analysis as not only does he have the experience, but the skills to explain his valuable point of view.
As far as his F1 career, who can say? There are so many factors to analyze when evaluating a driver, yet how many of us truly understand what goes on behind the scenes?
Looking at the recent form of both Renault and Alpine perhaps there’s plenty we don’t know.
As someone that follows Jolyon a bit in his GP2 days, think the assessment is a bit harsh - yes he only won it in his 4th year, but if you watch some of races he's done, there would be enough divebombs you saw that would recall a certain Danny Ric in a Red Bull.
I do agree his F1 performance is disappointing & Carlos is definitely a better driver, but saying this made Renault jumps from 8th to 6th doesn't really add up - Carlos scored 6 points from those 4 races and without those they would still finish in front of Haas
Omg, Kmag and Hulkenberg as teammates at Renault. I wonder how they would be as teammates 😍
Especially Hungary
He didn't made the cut as a driver in f1, but as a pundit/analyst he is right up there. I sometimes watch the channel 4 coverage and he is a welcome addition with Coulthard and/or Webber
Good on him though, regardless of the stint, he made it to the top level of his sport…he’s also a hell of a commentator and I really enjoy listening to him.
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things
What's the point of such comment when you definitely haven't even watched the video 😅 just hunting likes...
Great vid aldas keep em coming
I miss Cyril Abiteboul being in F1.
For some reason I just like the guy.
Plus he used to piss off Horner, mostly because he signed Daniel, which was fun for everyone.
The only people who like cyril are just like him, exciting as a beige leather seat and comfortable with mediocrity
I always like when skysports had him live on the pitwall during races and his accent is so strong it was a game for me to decipher what he was saying on top of all the engine noise and pitlane ambience
To be honest Horner wasn't pissed about Renault signing Daniel, he was more likely pissed that Renault kept giving his team engines that were about as reliable as an absentee Dad paying his child support
Maldonado-Palmer line up could have been crazy
It's kind of sad to see how reliability affected Palmers career so much. That run in 2017 was horrible
To be fair his teammate Hülkenberg lost a lot more points due to reliability that year, a podium in Singapore amongst them.
i can only imagine how tough it is to reach your dream after working so long, only for it to fall apart like that. hopefully he realizes what a great career he has as an analyst, and with his recent f1 experience, he has more insights than most people on the tv.
Maybe he's the reason why Renault are so against promoting rookies to their team lol
“What Palmer is doing? He needs to give me back the position” 😂
He cut the chicken!
Please keep this videos coming. Loving the content
He wasn't BAD per se. Things just didn't click. He should have started in a satellite seat where the team wraps their hands around him and allow him years of developing himself. He could have achieved more, Renault was (and arguably still is) a toxic environment.
Though he didn't had a good career but he is an amazing pundit. Love his in depth analysis of races and techniques. 😊
Always enjoyed listening to Palmer on 5live, he’s got a future in punditry for sure. Even though he had a rough ride is F1, like many young talents, I’m surprised he doesn’t race at all anymore in Sportcars or GTs.
'Undoubtedly'. The word is 'undoubtedly'.
Anyone who gets a drive as an f1 driver is already better than anyone who makes comments. They are athletes, warriors and have talent far an above what we can muster.
Armchair pundits and sofa commentators.
His rookie season was much more solid than I remembered (2017 must be what I remember). He’s an amazing analyst + mega likable though. I’m super happy for him that he’s loving his new role.
Great video 👌
What KMag said about him shows how much he's not made for racing. He's a great analyst after all. That's what he's built to do.His unsuccessful racing career probably helped that though.
interesting that in 2023 - you have Hulk & K-Mag racing together......
And yeah - Palmer had to create a splash or have a big $ backer - he didn't.
Renault made the only decision they could - surprised they waited almost 2 seasons...
As an analyst & commentator he is excellent and one of my go-to's
Next video : How bad was the renault engine?
He’s always on point with his Analysis and that’s all I care about .. move forward .. the world always is
Was pretty much a pundit who got to drive an F1 car for a few seasons. Really kills it on F1 TV commentary and overall really likeable guy
Its what the British media does. Remember how they hyped up Paul Di Resta in his first season?
Love Palmer and the work he is doing now.
And hé is one of the best analyst of f1
At least he made it to the summer break
Jolyon Palmer ............. the Theon Greyjoy of Formula 1
Palmer is an example of how tough F1 is. He was a good driver in the lower series and certainly knows his stuff.
How bad was Karun Chandok next?
He's been a terrific, pleasant, and very self-effacing commenter on F1TV. He provides decent insight. Glad he's still in the paddock.
The 2016 Renault is *tiny* it's adorable!
Where is palmer?
cool to see that he admits he was pretty poor in the driver’s seat and has found something that he’s actually really good at and fits in
Lets not forget that Palmers car was not sabotaged like Kevin's was late 2016 when he refused to sign with them
Maldonado: won the last race for Sir Frank Williams.
To get a seat in f1. You have to be
Bloody talented in the first place.
Tiff needell drove an f1 shitbox, at
Monaco one year, didn't even reach
Qualifying. That was the end of his
F1 career. Couldn't say tiff's a shit driver.
Lol. Something to tell ya kids though init.
Just to know you drove a ridiculously
Fast racing car, at over 200mph, for 70
Laps. Man, that has to feel awesome.
Great video. 👍
How Bad Was Jolyon Palmer in F1? depends on which context, an example;
could you really speak of Joylon's lack of talent knowing you yourself will never be a world champion on anything, never mind competitively drive a Formula 1 car?
Realistically Joylon is far from the bottom of the bad drivers that made it into F1, he actually won the merit to be there by being a GP2 World Champion, and the whole " ohh that season was weak " trust me, the weakest driver on that grid would run circles around any of us in the comment list.
Joylon was not a bad driver, he just failed to put together a path for him to display his full potential, like many before him and many after him.
I see Stoffel Vandoorne a MUCH bigger disappointment than Joylon.
Vandoorne, the silent man who wouldn't say a single word ever, lol.
Stoffel's F1 career, specifically his 2018 season, was shocking
This is the truth. No one who gets to F3 or F2, let alone wins it, is a very good driver. Not the best F1, but that is the pinnacle of motorsport. If you think it’s easy, even trying competitively in racing sims will show you how tough the competition is.
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Honestly, Jolyon is the best on-air commentator there is if you like hearing bits from a driver. He's an incredibly good presenter. Merely driving in F1 and not finishing last is quite an accomplishment, IMHO.
JP was an F1 driver with a Business Degree.
His father was a doctor when he raced back in the 80ies
He's also been very good on BBC 5 Live, where his humorous side comes out as well as his brilliant knowledge!
Karma
KMag, poet and race car driver.
I love his show. Absolutely the best analyst ever.
I do wonder if the sheer unreliability in the 2017 year had any effect in gimping his seat time with the car throughout the season
The only thing I can remember of Palmer is "the five second penalty what a joke.. karma" comments from alonso😂😂😂
I remember Joylon from back in 2016-17 and he was just not mentally strong enough for the circuit racing. As K Mag said, he is more of a textbook guy than a racer. Glad that he made it to the commentator's box and is doing a brilliant job there.
A mediocre driver but a bloody great analyst and a decent guy too.
No matter how 'bad' he was I still have the utmost respect for these drivers for even getting to that position, even Goatifi/ mazaspin.
I think Magnussen's comments about Palmer are spot on. He's great at analysis, he's great at going through telemetry, pointing out good things, and flaws. But he lacks confidence in himself to apply what he teaches
Hey mate, just a feedback to make your videos better, remove these clicks in between shots. It's distracting.
i did notice when he was Lotus's test/ reserve driver his practice session times didn't excite attention. I wondered at the time how well he'd do as an actual driver. As a commentator I've actually stopped waiting for the race on Telly that's delayed and started listening to it live on radio because of Palmer, he's probably the best Commentator/ Pundit around.
Hah, the British Media over-hyping of their athletes, i thought they only did this for football players.
I love Jolyon as an analyst and commentator
Atleast he's the 2016 Grill the Grid champion:)
To be fair to Palmer - he ended up in Enstone
Great video. Though I find that clicking sound on scene changes almost unbearable
People have been telling in that forever on his videos. It's been on every single one that randomly pops up in my suggested feed and every single time people complain about it. I think it's the first "editing thing" this guy learned how to do so now he refuses to drop it no matter how lame it is.
Let’s not forget he overtook Bottas in a mercedes
This shows yet again how much better the Hulk was/is than Magnussen IMO. I think K-Mag has been very luck to keep seats for so long.
He was bad, but nowhere near the monstrosity that was Mazepin. Palmer was a 4th year GP2 winner and his money came in handy in securing a F1 seat
I hate being reminded of this as I have really grown to like him as an analyst
Wasn't he the one who said while commenting French GP in 2022 "There's no racing mentality at Ferrari."?
AH ! KARMA !
This dude makes good videos. But every time i come back to them im stunned by how he still uses the stupid snap sound so damn often at random ass points throughout.
Palmer's analysis are great
I never understood the JP hype, just like the Hulk.
Hulk is genuinely decent though.
always supported him as a driver. starting an f1 career in an important can be a mistake and did not work for majority of driver, cause without formula 1's experience, you need to learn with a small team, where decent results are enough. renault has big expectation, bad organization, and no mercy for people. this hasn't changed today despite being renamed "alpine".