Why Do So Many Great Drivers Fail at Ferrari?
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2021
- Just driving for the most famous team in the history of F1 and one of the most iconic brands in the world is an achievement within itself, but although Ferrari is hungry for success, countless great drivers and champions in other teams, have failed to bring championships back to Marranello. In this video I look at why some of the greatest drivers of all time failed at Ferrari, and if the team as still doomed to repeat history if they don't change
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When Lauda first came into Ferrari he said with all the facilities I can't believe they don't win all the races. When he left he said I can't believe they win any races.
was it only a movie quote or did he fr fr say that? I'm genuinely curious?
@@cardz3607 he did. Ferrari literally built test tracks only for f1 developing and still failed to win everything, thats what lauda commented
@@jacobweidinger6822 Thanks, dude!
ITS A SHITBOX!
@@TouringCarsAndStuff IT'S A FERRARI 🤌🤌
Interesting fact: Only 2 drivers who came to Ferrari as already WDC also won a championship with Ferrari: Fangio and Schumacher.
@@viniciusbraga9881 Prost and Alonso are the better Ferrari drivers.
@@viniciusbraga9881 Hamilton, Senna, Alonso.
@Sisha I misread @Vinicius Braga comment in a way to "The best F1 driver ever". I stick with Prost and Alonso is the best Ferrari drivers.
@@viniciusbraga9881 Alberto Ascari. Without any doubt. Then comes Gilles Villeneuve ("The fastest driver I've ever seen in my life." - Enzo Ferrari about Gilles Villeneuve). Where do you place the likes of Nuvolari, Amon and Collins? Never heard of them? Then you can't make a qualified assessment can you? You do know that Peter Collins handed Fangio his own car when Fangio's had a malfunction at the British GP? Had Collins never done so he'd win the race and he'd be champion for Ferrari in 1956 not Fangio. Collins did it voluntarily no less. And if you never have heard of Tazio Nuvolari, don't call yourself a racing enthusiast.
Alberto Ascari. The best Ferrari driver. Look him up.
@@viniciusbraga9881 "These three won titles with Ferrari" And Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Surtees, Scheckter and Raikkonen didn't win titles with Ferrari? Perhaps you meant several titles, well if so I hate to inform you that Ascari won 2 titles with Ferrari and 13 races, whereas Fangio only won 1 title with Ferrari and 3 races (his team mate Collins won 2 and would have been champion if not giving Fangio his car at the British GP). Fangio himself never liked racing for Ferrari and told Stirling Moss "If you sign for Ferrari make sure it's on a race-for-race basis but never sign a long contract with them.".
There is no other Ferrari driver who can match Ascari's 13 wins in just 27 starts. Not Schumacher, not Lauda and not Fangio. He also raced Ferraris at the Indy500 which none of those others have done.
"not only Lauda was great, but Enzo Ferrari himself liked him" Yeah, he liked him so much he had him replaced with Carlos Reutemann while Lauda was fighting for his life following his 1976 Nurburgring crash. This offended Lauda so much he just honored his 1977 contract and signed for Brabham in 1978 and 1979. Lauda managed to get Enzo's respect because he wasn't just all talk but could back it up. He also liked that he worked really hard to iron out his own weaknesses - and early in his career there were plenty.
You know Enzo only signed Lauda for 1974 because he cleaned house after the abysmal 1973 season and had everybody fired. He took back Regazzoni from BRM (he raced for Ferrari in 1970-1972) and asked him whether this "young Austrian" was any good. Regazzoni said that he was very hard working and methodical in his approach. Enzo also agreed to pay the money Lauda owed for his March drive in 1972 and BRM for 1973.
Here's the thing Enzo signed Regazzoni and Lauda because he couldn't get Emerson Fittipaldi or Ronnie Peterson. Lauda wasn't high on anybody's shopping list following his drives at March and BRM. Lauda himself actually contemplated suicide at the end of 1972 because he was in dept, without a drive and with no prospect of paying off what he owed anytime soon.
No, it was most fortunate Enzo signed Luca di Montezemolo to be the team principal because without him Lauda's career would never have taken off. You could however say that Lauda was the right man at the right time for Ferrari in the mid 70's. He was level-headed and wasn't affected by the traditional atmosphere of the team - something which more often than not has led to good champions departing from Ferrari on less than amicable terms.
Schumacher deserves respect because he did what everybody though was impossible - bringing a drivers' title to Ferrari after over 20 years. That being said he was also backed up by the very strong team of Todt-Brawn-Byrne.
"Schumacher is the most successful driver they had by miles." If we're to measure drivers by success alone Lewis Hamilton is the greatest ever. I'll tell you this though: Great men are always compared against other great men. In Formula 1 that means your team mate. Hamilton did beat record young double-word champion Fernando Alonso as a rookie at McLaren back in 2007. Senna did beat Alain Prost at McLaren in 1988 - at a time Prost was the most successful driver in F1 history with a (then) record 28 wins. Schumacher I'm afraid never had a top team mate at Ferrari. Irvine and Barrichello weren't quite on the level of all-time greats like Prost and Alonso were they?
It's all relative and you need to include more factors than just "outright fame" and "number of wins".
Gilles Villeneuve 1981 Monaco qualifying, when he qualified the truck chassis Ferrari to first-row, almost 3 full seconds faster than Didier Pironi, himself a very fast driver, trumps any of Schumacher's Ferrari drives. Villeneuve also managed to lead a race in the 1980 Ferrari - widely believes as the worst F1 ever since it finished a distant 10th that year (retiring Jody Scheckter at age 30 no less).
Fame and driver prowess aren't perfectly interchangeable you know. You not mentioning Alberto Ascari at all makes that perfectly clear.
Great drivers DON'T fail at Ferrari. FERRARI fails their great drivers because of their incompetence and because they're too arrogant to recognize it. The only two drivers who were able to wake up Ferrari to how bad the team/car was, were Lauda and Schumacher. And let's remember that when Schumacher was winning, the team was being led by a Brit and a Frenchman.
I'd throw Gilles into this as well, even though he never won a title (although he surely would have had he not been killed). Pretty much everyone said Enzo loved him like a son and he could say what he thought about the car without being sacked. Compare that to Lauda who was nearly sacked before he even raced the damn thing. Makes you realise just how good Jean Todt was
@@youlesie23 Pironi was better than Villenueve in the 1982 season
Nah they failed so many times, especially Prost and Vettel. And from champions like them you don't accept fails
@@renegade25_banhammertech_40 did they fail? Or did Ferrari fail them? Sure Vettel made some errors, but Ferrari screwed up his campaigns and their relationship with him way more. From the cheating in 2019, to the bad strategy calls, to the arrogance they displayed towards their 4-time champion, I would argue that Vettel failed to win a championship because of Ferrari’s mismanagement more than anything else.
The world need a new Nikki Lauda to cause "good" chaos inside Ferrari again.
The exact same thing is happening to Leclerc now too… Ferrari don’t deserve the drivers that they’ve had over the years
Still, Charles shouldn't complain. At least he's always favoured over his teammates by Ferrari. That basically pushed out Seb. Yes, the team f*ck up Leclerc's races too, but only after they first ruin his teammates chances. Happened again last Sunday in Hungary. They pitted Sainz much too early and then let him sit in the pit for too long, just so Charles could pass him on track without Ferrari having to give out team orders.
@@JaneFokster silverstone and monaco, wouldn’t say he was favored there would you?
@@WATCHFORRAIN Sainz has showed that he has a brain and actually argues against the team, Chuck just gives in to whatever they say.
@@JaneFokster At least they didn't give Sainz those shit hard tyres
The difference is that Prost, Alonso & Vettel were successful before Ferrari but Leclerc has not being successful yet. He finished 2nd while fighting against Perez & Sainz that have not been successful and Max that started being successful once his team started cheating. Vettel won with STR and finished 2nd in his 1st season with Red Bull + became tetra champion in 6 seasons. Max will never match that, he won with 2 cheats included in his 7th season.
It’s amazing to consider that Alonso only has 8 total points between being a 5x World Champion instead of a 2x Champion.
That's kinda depressing. He was soooooo close. 8 points changed everything. This made me check other drivers and Lewis was 6 points away from being a 9x world champion. The difference between winning and losing is just a few points and yet it changes everything
@@rebeccagreenwood3302 Lewis is 22 points from being a 10x world champion
@@rebeccagreenwood3302 and Prost was 6 or so points away from being a 7 time world champion
@@PAWfessionalTennis Yeah, he was very close in 1983, 1984, 1988 and 1990
@@chrisck5218 Lewis also has the best car on the grind in most of that unlike Alonso who never even had the second best car in 2010 and 2012. Ferrari was 4th fastest at the start of 2012.
Sebastian one hurts because he never doubted his teams backing except when he was leaving
@Aaliyah x3 no nico is better than trash vettel
@@kaustavkapur5532 strong comment by a Netflix fan.
@@oransjball wtf does that mean, netflix dts is bull, they make verstappen seem like a villain when he is not, and it is very cringey
@@kaustavkapur5532 that is like saying Maldonado is better than Heidfeld cause he have more win ffs
@@kaustavkapur5532 says the person who saw his 1st gp 3 weeks ago🤡🤡🤡
Alonso is a monster always driving above where his car should be, he’s doing it again at alpine
If you think that any human is capable of making a machine do something beyond its physical capabilities, please, stop forming opinions.
@@imakevidsable unless they actual do and out the car where it should not be
@@cesardepena7498 no, they're actually showing where the car should be. If a car can let's say lap a circuit in 1:15:00 which is good enough for a good grid position, it means the car is capable of doing that.
Alonso is one of those talented drivers who can wring out the absolute maximum out of the car.
But to say that he, and infact any driver "outdrove" the car is just bonkers.
Could 99% of other drivers put that Ferrari where Alonso put? No.
Is the ferrari capable of getting results that Alonso got? Yes.
@@imakevidsable mate Charles was putting his ferrarri in 6 and we'll in the points while it was expected to be in 10th or 11th(last year's ferrari) there is a thing as outdriving a car's performance and it is called skill, plenty of times cars were put where from a performance stand point, should not be, an example of that is Alonso and ocon, that alpine should not be battling the mclarens and ferraris rather that astons and alpha touris, yet they qualify around them
@@cesardepena7498 who decides that?
If Alonso and ocon can fight the others, it means their car is just as good. The skill of the driver is in getting the maximum of the car.
This answer was already given by Nelson Piquet when he still had only one F1 world title: "At Ferrari I am just any driver, at
Brabham I am Piquet".
Lies again? Google Drive Ridiculous Modules
Definitely down for a deeper dive into Prost and Ferrari in the 90's
Absolutely!!! 🙏🙏🙏
If you listen to audio podcasts try "Bring Back V10s" it has episodes covering Prost at Ferrari
Senna stole Prost's championship at ferrari.
@@pedroperezppeez5547 w H a T
Yes please, Aldos.
We all grew up between:
Felipe , Fernando is faster than you
Fernando behind , Fernando behind
To
Mein God mus daas sein
I loved when Vettel talked german he was so toxic in the german Interviews and he didn't show that he was toxic but he bashed Ferrari a lot
we did we did grow up during these times :)
@@dascookie6767 vettel has always been toxic for the team.
@@prisonermonkeys8613 You are deluded mate.
@@prisonermonkeys8613 Theres a diffrence between real toxicity and just beeing sarcastic
It saddens me so much that Seb never won a title with Ferrari, when he joined I didnt like him, but quickly that turned around, and he became one of my favorites.
I still can't believe that Alonso managed to drag that F2012 to within 3 points of winning the championship...
The Death stare picture said it all.
"Ferrari is the ultimate pressure cooker"
RB 2nd seat: "Am I a joke to you?"
Right? I always say that, F1 is cutthroat, if you want to win more than once you have to be harsh, RB didn't have problem to back Vettel when they had to and to change drivers alongside Max to speed up the time to become competitive again, Merc doesn't hesitate to tell Bottas to get out of the way but still doesn't admit that he is a second driver, giving Valteri false hope lmao
Mercedes 2nd seat since 2017: Walk in the park. There's just one job. Help Lewis win title
@@manjunathdanavadi3573 lewis haters are sooo desperate haha it's cute
@@rikidoni24 Valtteri can't do anything. He is no where near Lewis in Race pace and Tyre Management and never will be.
@@rishi857 yeah exactly, there is no shame in being a second driver or admitting to have one in your team, and Valteri until this season has been a really good wingman for Merc. I just don't like the "Is Valteri a second driver?" "Fuck you" interaction by Toto, everybody says that Ferrari is toxic but Valteri actually believes he could stand a chance and Merc go along with it lmao
Alonso doesn't struggle to control his emotions, he doesn't even try to
He is just brutally honest
@@LimitPro1 and that’s the problem with Ferrari
What a yoke!
But this cost him the 2007 championship. He got so focused on what Lewis was doing and started the can of worms that was Spygate when he didn't get Number 1 status at McLaren. But the ironic thing was he didn't need it. He started lower in Hungary because he was a smart arse in the pits and crashed out in Fuji when he was in fourth. He could have won the 2007 title without team orders
@@reptongeek that is correct, smarter Alonso could win the 2007 l, if he did not lose it through the season. He should have hold his emotions a little bit. On the other hand, he was still young for his generations those times, he would have done it probably nowadays differently
You forgot to mention Jean Alesi , the Frenchman, of Sicilian parentage, he was at the top of his game, straight through F3 and Formula 3000 champion, then into the Tyrell F1 team, where he displayed his huge talent, sometimes even giving Senna a hard time, Williams were about to become the dominant team with the FW14 in 1991, and really wanted to sign Alesi as team leader, unfortunately the lure of Ferrari got the better of his judgement, so he joined the Prancing Horse, where he had 5 seasons of bitter disappointment, winning only the 1995 Canadian GP, if he had gone to Williams, he would almost certainly have become a multiple WDC and won many races, the Williams FW14 and FW14B were virtually unbeatable.
How Ferrari handles drivers reminds me of Frank Williams’ attitude about drivers… that they’re always replaceable. Trouble is in modern history virtually all of Ferrari’s success is due to the exceptional talent of Schumacher (not to discount Raikkonen, of course). Just like Williams has declined, so too has Ferrari
look where is williams now and 2020 ferrari speaks for itself.
Would love to see just how bonkers Ferrari was in Prost's time there
Ferrari in the 80's were utter shit. Barring some amazing drives from Berger, Villeneuve, Arnoux and Peroni
@@PG-20 Yup, I remember it well. Would love to see just how nuts the Ferrari team was on the inside.
Do check out the BringBackV10s podcast on Spotify. It has two episodes on this topic. You will get to know how much mess was there at Ferrari.
@@PG-20 u forgot alboreto who finished 2nd in the 1985 championship
@@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461 Mansell in 1989 was great. A great driver getting dominanted by Prost like Raikkonen was by Alonso. Berger and Fisichella also Eerily similar. Berger Béat Two great Italian hopes in Fabi and Alboreto. Was similar To Mansell in 1989 but had even worse reliability. In 1990 he ran into Senna... Just couldn't Béat thé legendary Brazilian.
Fisichella was a very fast strong driver beating Button and Massa. He then got his chance at Renault but just couldn't handle Alonso. The Austrian and Italian performed very similar rôles on championship teams.
Berger seemed less damaged by thé expérience whilst Fisichella was dominated by a merely above average Kovalainen in 2007.
Alonso was probably the most unfortunate. He almost own it twice. Unfortunately almost isn't enough.
He would have won 2010 if he didn't crash out in belgium. Ppl hold vettel accountable for his mistakes but not alonso
@@thebarcaboardroom406 Thank you. People never give Alonso the same level of scrutiny. He's an great, but he's not a deity.
@@thebarcaboardroom406 True. Even at the final corner he still had a winning chance. Just had to overtake a midfield car. He failed. But the problem is, Nando never even had the 2nd best car, let alone best one, on the grid. Yet he fought for the title. In both 2017 and 2018 Seb had arguably the best or at least 2nd best car. He failed twice. And the disaster at Hockenheim is an iconic image of crumbling under pressure that sealed itself in fans perception.
@@sujaysannyamath655 he did not fail in 2017 ferrari was not faster than mercedes that year and he would have won if not for reliability issues
@@thebarcaboardroom406 Yes, but fans in 2021 looking back after Seb lost his mojo since that German GP would fault him for the loss with impunity. If Maurizio was a little more decisive Seb could've own 2017. Although neither Prost nor Nando lost to their teammates at Ferrari. Seb made a habit of it. Both (Dany Ric) were novice at the time.That tends to lose one a lot of credibility.
This is why Schumacher is so great. He won at least 2 WDCs for Ferrari, when Ferrari were not the best car on the grid. When you add in his time at Benneton when the Williams was clearly the better car, Schumacher managed to win 4 WDCs when not driving the best car on the grid.
Mind you, one of those championships was only won by deliberately taking out Damon Hill.
Overall, if you discount the Todt / Brawn / Schumacher era, Ferrari has always been pretty poor. They occasionally got it right but not often.
At the moment, with Binotto running the show, there is some hope. They have two pretty equal drivers (who currently seem to get on together) and they are letting them get on with it. Too often they have had a 'number two driver doesn't matter' attitude. It doesn't work that well.
Only time will tell.
Bullshit he had multiple great cars at Ferrari
both Prost and Alonso actually had good campaigns in the ferrari, I wouldn't call either of those a fail.
failed in their objective to win the world championship. In Prost's case, we'll never know what would've happen in 1990 had Senna not taken him out. History could;ve been very different. Prost's power would've grown and it might not have devolved into the mess it became.
So, the pre-Todt Ferrari was bigger mess them post-Todt Ferrari? This is quite an achievement. I am voting on details video🙂
Ferrari or Failari as I like to call them basically sucked from the late 70s onward with a brief respite around the schumacher/raikkonnen era, with 2008 returning to extreme disfunction
@@sunnohh you blinded by recency bias lol. I won't say schumi- raikkonen era as brief. Schumi win 5 in a row and barely lost 2006. 2007 they back with kimi and in 2008 massa lost only bcos of bad luck. Alonso never win with Ferrari but he was challenging, so as vettel. It's only the last 3 years that Ferrari is dysfunctional. I'm not ferrari fan btw
@@ozamatazbuckshank7467 *2
@@sunnohh delusional fan of Mclaren or Mercedes?
Pre-Todt era was a mess. Nigel Stepney said that it's like Julius Caesar: people come and go every few days. There are two design team for the team: 1 in Maranello managed by Harvey Postlethwaite and 1 in England managed by John Barnard. Such system will be doomed for the team.
Disappointed in the third part in the video. Despite Seb having the longest stint he gets the least discussion when there's so much to be discussed. His Ferrari career was a roller-coaster like few drivers have ever gone through.
He came from a disappointing 2014 season where - despite setting a record-setting win streak in 2013 - he was soundly beaten by Ricciardo. But he then was amazing in 2015 and arguably the best driver of the season. Followed by a mediocre 2016 season where Kimi almost equalled him. 2017 saw him delivering perhaps his best season in his career where he challenged for the championship in a car that was clearly inferior to the Mercedes and on top of that the Ferrari team made many mistakes - particularly in strategy - that hindered him. This ties in perfectly with the story of Fernando's 2012 season and Prost's stint, namely that of an overperforming driver let down by the team/beaten by a much faster car; it is criminal to leave it out of the video. Then 2018 has so much to uncover. From a fantastic first half of the season to THAT race in Germany - which would turn out to be a turning point in his career - to a blundering second half of the season. You barely mentioned the heated on-track battles with Leclerc in 2019 and never mentioned the truly abysmal 2020 season.
Missed opportunity. Which is a shame because the video was great up to that point. But I'll cut you some slack since I have yet to see a British youtuber make a proper video concerning Vettel.
He got screwed over by strategy and a broken front wing in that germany race. He is actually brilliant in the wet(see 2019 Germany and 2020 Turkey and 2008 Monza).
@@akhilsamavedam7089 You're right, Ferrari really screwed him that race. But regardless of the situation it was still a big turning point. After that race he was not the same driver and became very inconsistent.
@@akhilsamavedam7089 yes, his fro t wig popped randomly 2 laps before the crash
Sebs 2016 wasn't mediocre at all , just that kimi upped his game as the car suited him but then Ferrari didn't agree and All the strategies were favouring Seb and Kimi lost out in races.
cry about it
I really hope Vettel can move past the disappointment of Ferrari. It was so clearly his dream to win there and I wouldn’t be surprise if the sting of not winning with Ferrari takes more prominence in his mind than the 4 consecutive titles. Just hope he levels out at Aston
Alonso didn't fail change my mind . He litterally lost 2 times the championship just for 3 and 4 points .
he's just offbeat, timing is key and alonso lost his timing a long time ago, I don't think he'll ever shine as bright ever
But I think that he deserved the championship at 2012 because he was so close to Vettel whilst driving a far worse car than him. I'm never gonna say that Vettel didn't deserve his titles but I think that he was the best driver on the grid in 2012
@@patrikjansen7831 In 2012 McLaren was the fastest car mate 🙄.
@@achillestheant430 offbeat? He dragged 3rd best car for championship fights and hes offbeat?? Delusional
They’ve shattered their drivers’ morale and mental health. The way Vettel looked driving his car over the last two years was just depressing. He looked so depressed in the car. I hope Vettel can come back stronger! I’m sure AM will improve over this season and the next.
i think it's maybe vettell that has lost a step or two
@@fedeofeast3525 Wouldn't say that. Give him a car with a decent rear, he would be up there in the standings.
Vettel proved at RB when they weren't winning that he was mentally fragile, and I predicted this for his career. The thing is, I never thought it would be this bad. Now I just hope he can be competitive again.
@@jameshisself9324 Brazil 2012, one can't do that being mentally weak.
@@theonlyisteve7261 A strong team can make up for mental weakness. Ferrari does not have that.
Imo Ferrari is probably the most uderperforming team in F1 history. Yes they have most chapionships, wins and other achievments, but they should have a lot more of them with their resources. They should be title contenders in pretty much every season.
The problem is the people in that team. 😔
@@deekay2578 Which'll never change bcoz they'll forever have their heritage to mask their shortcomings.
I like Ferrari, but I wish that something horrible happens where the prancing horse no longer has the same weight in the public conscience as it has now. Maybe then they'll actually realize that having a dynamic and efficient system will win them races, not heritage or prestige.
I don't think they are the most underperforming but they could achieve more.
@@saiyerugara9038yes they could
Since 1960 they've only had three really good runs off success and each time it was made possible by the organization of anglo-saxon individuals; Surtees, Lauda and Schumacher along with the entire Benetton brain trust. They btought organization to chaos. As the"Italian national team" all they've done is spent generations wasting resources.
When I was growing up and getting into F1, I became a huge fan of Alonso when he was at Ferrari because I watched him put on some amazing drives. He was always at 110% and gave it his all, thats what I respect in a driver.
0:56 "But losing for Ferrari also comes with more pressure than for every other team."
*Shows clip of Bottas*
My man just made his own counter example
In my opinion Fernando Alonso didn’t fail, Ferrari failed him by not giving him the fastest car or the car which is regularly developed to stay a competitive package. Vettel had three cars which potentially had a chance to win most notably 2017 and 2018 where mistakes and Ferrari mistakes caused no championship success for the constructor or driver.
If Alonso were in 17 or 18 Ferrari there would be a title showdown
I recommend you watch CYMotorsports video on the 2017 season. It proves that in 2017 the ferrari car just was not good enough in 2017 to challenge Mercedes and how good Vettels performance was that year. In 2018 the car was as quick if not quicker than the Mercedes at the start to the season but further in the season the Mercedes was much faster than the Mercedes.
Agree 100%. Alonso has always outdriven the potential of the machinery.
2017 Ferrari was good but not that good. Mercedes had better package for example: Mercedes 15 poles, Ferrari only 5
@@Screwy23 the 2017 Ferrari was faster in hotter track conditions when the Mercedes tyres started melting, but after the summer break the merc had a slight advantage in which Hamilton took advantage of to get more wins than his teammate and Vettel even when all those drivers were tied on podiums for the entire season, it was a closer season then people remember. Merc didn’t get a clear advantage until 2019 and Ferrari had extra pressure to exploit gray areas which backfired as they had a clear engine advantage over other constructors but wasn’t really Vettel’s fault but I wish he was more mentally strong to hold off his teammate Leclerc better, any driver would struggle mentally after losing 2 championships like that and that’s why form tailed off in recent years.
Maybe the question should be, "Why does Ferrari fail so many great drivers?"
because of the pressure of tifosi and the italy culture of wins or nothing you a re a mess.
Maybe the question is how ferrari can afford such great drivers, while having por car setups for seasons in a row... And maybe, just maybe, the answer is money.
@@Franco.Ar. also because if you go to Ferrari you have all Italy behind you, if you go to Mercedes and Red Bull it's not the same thing
The only one Ferrari failed with is Alonso, Prost and Vettel had competitive cars at least for 1 year.
@@limortaccitua you need years of competitive car and driver match to get resultas. Random car setups do not get result.
"The one thing Ferrari have lacked and still do in my opinion is a clear and commanding voice at the top of the team who can manage drivers in a title fight"
One week after Silverstone 2022 GP: "Well that video aged like fine wine"
Silverstone and Monaco...SMH
It’s hard not to include the 4 years Schumacher took to start winning titles with Ferrari. Amazing video man, great work.
very true, however in Schumy's case the Team were behind Michael and they knew that it was going to take time to turn things around. Bringing in Ross Brawn to head up the design of the car and the new parts and having drivers like Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello and Felipe Massa to partner Michael showed that the team HAD a clear hierarchy at this time. Yes, it was a frustrating 4 years for Ferrari and all the Tifosi BUT it was the Ultimate "5yr plan" to turn it around in which they actually delivered in the 5th year.
Red bull followed Ferrari a year later - 2014 they had a car that was barely able to compete for wins and then 2015 where they were barely able to fight for podiums
2014 RB was a great car, but didn't have a good engine.
The 2014 RB was a good car, but vettel was crap.
@@prisonermonkeys8613 it wasn’t that good in comparison to the Mercedes, so it was barely competing for wins - only 4-5 times in the season realistically, it was a decent car if you remove Mercedes, but it was no where near the fastest car
@@prisonermonkeys8613 you again hamilton fanboy?
@@deekay2578 No. I like Lewis, Fernando, George, Lando, Carlos, Valtteri.
Interesting when you talked about how Domenicali made the tough decisions compared to Arrivabene, I thought straight away to the really long-winded message to Kimi in Hockenheim 2018 to let Vettel through to which he responded ‘if you want me to let him through just tell me!’ I think Kimi in 2018 was a perfect number 2 for Ferrari; quick and experienced, and a former world champion, but not quite as quick as Vettel and by this point more doing formula 1 ‘as a hobby’ rather than with the intention to win championships.
Monza was the place where Ferrari dropped the ball the most tho. Giving the tow to Kimi in quali was such a stupid decision, considering that Vettel had just come off a win in Spa and a win in Monza in front of the Ferrari crowd would have given him so much confidence going into the rest of the season, and he would’ve had a great chance as Kimi showed in the actual race that he was able to defend from Hamilton for over half the race. Instead they had an out-of-the-championship Kimi take pole, see Seb spin out on the first lap and Hamilton win the race, in what was nearly as much of a championship turning point as Hockenheim was.
I agree so much with your statement, I've been saying this for many years, it wasn't Hockenhiem were Vettel lost his confidence. It was Monza, like you said no tow, taken out of first lap, and all this happening at your home grand Prix is enough to knock your confidence. And then Ferrari messing up his tyre strategy in Singapore was the final nail in the coffin.
I forget if it was 2017 or probably 2018 where Vettel said something like "I have to race against 3 drivers, while Lewis only has to race against 1"
Had Seb not spun, Ferrari would've probably given him the win in Monza. Hockenheim and Monza were his fault, not the team's.
@@Dani94Ultra we're not talking about race day. Were talking about Saturday qualifying. Like who big brain in Ferrari was it to give Kimi the slip stream instead of Vettel. If Vettel got the slip stream, he would have got pole. And the Hamilton Vettel clash would have not happen.
Same with hockenhiem, Vettel was given a strategy were he comes out behind Kimi and was stuck their for loads of laps, his tyres were degraded by the time he was told to pass Kimi, then he ends up in the wall because no grip. Plus the medium tyres he was one aren't good in the wet.
Ferrari let him down both races.
Then Ferrari botched the strategy again in Singapore put him on the worst tyres. Which wouldn't have got him to the end of the race. Whereas everyone else were somehow on the right tyre.
Then Japan, haters say what u what Ferrari botched that up aswell by putting Vettel on wrong tyre during quali, now anyone in Vettel shoes would know he needs to pass people quickly otherwise Hamilton gonna disappear up into the distance, and the win gone. So i don't blame Vettel for his kamikaze overtake on Verstappen
USA I'll say that was Vettel mistake clean and clear
Tbh Vettel made more mistakes in 2019 than he did in 2018 and 2017 combined. And I'll openly admit, Vettel needs to take responsibility for his 2019 mistakes
@@jamesjesse8562 at the end of 2018 Ferrari was just desperate, that they often made the opposite decision of mercedes to get ahead, which was the dumbest thing to do...
Now, Alonso has a podium with no crazy stuff happening during the race (Qatar). No crahes, no safety cars involving strategies. Just pace and craftmanship with a good responsive car.... And there's It is, Fernando never fails
i think that you should watch the race again
"The client is not always right" - Enzo Ferrari. Ferrari doesn't conform to their drivers the way Red Bull & Mercedes do to Max & Lewis respectively.
Tradition over rationality. That's the answer! You can see that the mentality in which you let your wife boss around your brilliant technicians still goes on..
This!! This!!! This is why I just can't rate Ferrari right now.
Well you i guess you kinda save huge time from this video hahahaha...i don't know why people love to eloborate to much
100% FUCKING AGREE!!! That’s what Ferrari fails to realise over the years!
That's not Ferrari, that's the whole country of Italy. The problem is a cultural one, not a technical one.
Relative to other European countries, Italy is still somehow a [hole filled with the stuff that comes out of your dumper]. Even the French aren't as dumb. They may be [the hole at the end of your digestive tract], but they are at least capable of being rational.
PS: seriously, f this censorship, f it in the a with a tractor. It took me literally over half an hour to post this comment without it being automatically deleted. The type of stuff that is censored is absolutely ridiculous. Even the most benign versions of those words are censored. It's beyond ludicrous.
Saying Alonso failed at Ferrari is just rude. What he did there was heroic.
Alonso didnt fail ferrari, Alonso got failed by ferrari
I think in the end any superstar big signing that goes to Ferrari and doesn't deliver a championship is ultimately a failure, but that doesn't mean that the driver himself do a good enough job. There always the driver AND the team who both have to deliver
2010 was the only year he was there that Ferrari actually produced a car that could properly fight for the title. 2011 and 2014 were utter disasters of cars, 2012 and 2013 were alright but not really title-worthy cars. The fact that he almost won the championship in 2012 is just incredible.
@@rvfharrier 2012 Alonso was probably better than any Hamilton, Senna, Schumacher, or Prost we ever had
Petoyusa-dono his Season was almost Perfect.
Only Suzuka was a Racing incident he could have avoided.
Still vettel did a Great Job aswell
Such a Good Season
Newey in his book mentioned that Vettel turns his car very late and hard, so he prefers cars with a stable rear end. For me this explanation sounds more plausible than simplistic "crumbles under pressure" because we still see occasional spins when he is in another team and is not under such pressure.
Great video and work analyzing the reasons behind!
Keep up the good work. Success!
Me thinking about Kimi
Dude won the last Ferrari driver's championship eating Ice Cream..
Crazy to think it's been that long since they won
Prost is not as famous / prominent as senna because he didn't die. They are both talented and accomplished.
I C Bajs forsenE
I also agree.
@@kiingjackoff Prost was better than senna at delivering results. He scored more points than him 2/3 seasons as teammates
Why would you say something so controversial yet accurate
Prost scored better results than Senna only because Ayrton died too early. With only 2 more seasons he would have beaten all Prost's records
💀 brutality
But that's true.
The fact that I got this in my recommended the day after Hungary 2022 just hurts...
This was fantastic, brotha. Thanks for the video!
Ppl say vettel failed but he was a ferrari driver for 6 years and he only had a competitive car twice. And one time his car let him down
Yeah, 2017 he was really unlucky in some situations.
In Canada he got damage on his front wing after Max cut him off at the start. Vettel then had to do recovery drive in that race.
In Malaysia, Vettel had to do recovery drive after engine issues in qualifying.
In Japan engine had issues in the race causing retirement.
In Singapore the crash at the start of the race after making contact with Kimi.
The points loss alone in these four races costed him a lot in the championship.
I honestly think that if Vettel had driven in 2018 anything like he did in 2017, he would been the champion in 2018 because in 2017 Vettel looked really strong and didn't make unnecessary mistakes like he made in 2018.
@Lewis He isn't but hamilton made mistakes in 2016, Alonso did in 2010. It's part of every great's career. Vettel isn't exceptionally poor
@@hamirthapar6788 True but objectively you cant compare the mistakes HAM and ALO made in those respective years to Sebs mistakes especially in 2018. Its just not objectively comparable. As a 4x WC Seb will go down in history as a great driver... better than most no doubt. But historians of the sport will not view him in the same league as HAM, ALO, MSC etc. He's just below them but above the 1x WCs like ROS, BUT, RAI etc...
Not Ferrari fault if FIA made this fake Formula Mercedes since 2014.
Vettel didnt fail, he did overdrive amazing in 2017 and 2018.
Every lap on limit to keep the pace witch it cost some mistakes especially in 2018.
Hamilton with the best car since 8 years still crying every 5 minutes on radio
@@N3-User the eternal Hamilton-hater Null is everywhere putting his bitter comments
Well done. I didn’t start following F1 until 2018, so getting a better understanding of these 3 great drivers’ issues while at Ferrari and Ferrari’s internal team problems was very insightful.
Seb was also unlucky with the fact that he had to face the most dominant team/era in F1 history. To have beaten Mercedes, Ferrari would've had to have been very complete.
Please do!!!! Love your videos, as an American who got into f1 from netflix, these videos are how i learn about my new favorite sport.
Ferrari either creates champions or kills them. But we will always love them.
ferrari can be a paradise or a hell. it´s like coin toss.
they never created a champion tho lmao
@@xavier4519 niki lauda? Kimi Raikkonen?
@@xavier4519 exacly...champions joined ferrari and only 2 where successful fangio and schumacher
@@xavier4519 never create? Just 3 drivers already champion won with ferrari... all the others wasnt before ferrari so.... wft are you saying
I cannot imagine a bigger shot to someone’s manhood than saying “he couldn’t handle the pressure.” It’s an unfortunate label, but I believe it’s true with Seb. I would love to see him get his revenge someday soon.
Vettel wants to be the clear No.1 driver in the team, anything less and he crumbles, that just shows that he is not Top tier driver, I'm actually surprised he actually managed to get 4 titles. He is a good driver don't get me wrong but he ain't one of the great drivers, great drivers can almost perform miracles, like Fernando did.. I mean just look at Lewis, i don't like the guy because he complains a bit to much for my liking , but god darn that dude is something special.
And sorry to burst your bubble but Seb isn't gonna do better in Aston where the kid of the guy who owns the god darn team is your teammate...And Lawrance isn't throwing millions toward that team and let someone else outshine his kid...
Umm sorry but i dont even agree with you . Prime seb was way better than prime lewis . Nico rosberg . Many ex champions and brundle said the same thing as well. The was he was dominating especially in 2013 and 2011 was so annoying. And all haters say , oooo he had the quickest car , but firstly who didnt win with the quickest car ? Lewis had the fastest car with merc , and mclaren , senna won championships inly with the quickest car , so did schumacher . And seb also did miracles in 2015 when he dragged that Ferrari to 3 wins and almost beat rosberg in the championship. 2017 he made no mistakes and lost the championship dur to reliability and performance. 2018 was when he started to crumble and make mistakes
@frosty snow erm hammy all day long no sweat,
@frosty snow hammy never dominated, yet all i hear for the last few years is merc blah hammy blah, hows was that not domination..? who won them titles them years.? hammy and merc, nobody else, we didnt hear the f1 community moan that vettel keeps winning on a daily basis did we..
@frosty snow that says more about Webber than Hamilton
It will be interesting to see how Ferrari performs under the cost cap era. They were always the team that was spending the most money, and still falling short lately. Now, they can't just outspend everyone else, so the team dynamics, and production become more important. If they continue to be the third or fourth best team out there, eventually the top drivers won't want to go there anymore, and the iconic image will be lost. Once that is lost, it would be very hard for them to get it back.
I really wish Ferrari notice this video and actually learn their mistakes... And also great work man.. You really put in good research
These videos start to look like little documentaries, I love it. Keep it up
What a good video man, love the parallels you drew, I'd love more content like this tbh
Anyone else watching this after seeing Ferrari destroy Charles?
I am losing faith slowly.
@@TheCreativeGuy264 I think Charles is losing faith too
Great video. Great to get some historical context. Looks like these underlying issues continue to exist today.
Alonso gave Ferrari more than Ferrari gave him in my opinion.
Definitely. He came so close several times but the team let him down during crucial moments in the season. Case in point: terrible strategy in the final race of 2010 cost Alonso top spot
@@youraveragepasser-by7367 not the strategy alonso couldnt even overtake petrov the whole race😂😂😂
@@lilibra6224It's strategy you fool...Bridgstone tyre gives more duration... Alonso's mid lap times are fastest so there is no need for pit in that time..he can make next 20 laps more faster and thereby can pit with Hamilton and button...he might finish 4th but he will won Championship... That's error is made by ferrri...Ferrari js highly corrupted team..
@@md.shaonprinceshuvo5412 cry bich alonso is never gonna win a wdc anymore 2 wdcs are too much for him if it was not for the tyre regulations msc had already won 9wdc and we would never heard about alonso
@@lilibra6224 Alonso is one of the best drivers ever, If you doubt that you are stupid.
And he didnt overtake Petrov because it was impossible
Thanks a lot for this quality video. Amazing work. Of course I'd like a late 80s / early 90s video as well. And I appreciated the Man United tribute too 😉
Really enjoyed the video, was always gutted for 'Nando, year after year.
Absolutely great video Aldas...
Worth the waiting, nice video as always 👍
Would love to see the dysfunctional master class video
This aged well
i love your channel , keep going man👏👏👏👐
I remember the 1991 season, it was my first year watching F1. Williams did a Red Bull, where they start slow and then sort their car as summer rolls in but it's too late to catch the top dogs (in '91 McLaren).
The focus was on McLaren vs. Williams because Prost seemed to never be there. He DNF'd half of the races but in the other half - the ones he did finish - was never lower than 5th.
The Midfield was won by Piquet who had a great season in the Benetton. A handful of podiums and a win.
Exactly. Personally I think prost did well in Ferrari
That brief moment where Kimi was pissed after the 2017 Monaco GP says it all. No matter how great a driver you are, Ferrari can piss you off!
Vettel even said after winning the Australian GP in 2018 that they need to do some homework to maintain their lead. Over the summer break Mercedes pulled back with R&D and improved their car beyond that of the Ferrari.
@frosty snow but Vettel’s words were right, no? He told them the car needs improving and Ferrari slacked
nows leclerc because of strategies and car :I
I don't know if there are other videos or docu-series out there on this subject, but, seeing this one yet another Ferrari leadership and management fiasco at the Silverstone GP over the weekend, I find it really well done and very informative. A deeper exploration of not only Prost's problems at the team, but actually even more so those of Vettel would definitely be nice. What I would however like even more would be a contrast why and how others, notably Michael Schumacher, were so successful at the team. An exceptional driver like no other? A dominant car? Better fore-sighted managers and leaders (Todt, Brawn?). And, what are your views as to what needs to change the rot at the team?
HAVE FAITH IN THE GREAT FERRARI MASTER🅱️LAN!
Overused
Not funny anymore
@@aidan5730 Well it looks like 22 people disagree with you.
I think it's funny but I also think theres no plan XD
@@axol1238 yeah, I can see that
@@dascookie6767Yes. I meant it in an ironic way.
definitely want to hear more about that 'dysfunctionality', maybe also whether that played a role in other teams as well
I did like it , good flow , well made, one of your best videos imho
Michael Schumacher already set the bench mark in Ferrari. So whenever a World Champion joining Ferrari, the management is expecting a great or same result with Michael from them. Hence, the pressure is higher than driving for other teams. Of course, it may also the arrogant of the Ferrari team management is also one the factors.
Kimi : Pressure? Boawhhhhh i won the championship boawhhhhhhh and i left on my own terms boawhhhhhhh
Kimi is a special case. He just built different
I don’t know why seb gets so much slack for winning four wdc in the best car , if we look back at the all time greats like Hamilton and msc they all won what they did in the best car on the grid , in fact most of the wdc are won by drivers in the best car on the grid . Seb is still and will always remain one of the greatest f1 drivers of all time just behind Hamilton and Schumacher
Thank you someone who can think and has a memory longer than 2017. I completly agree with you. In his career till now Seb had the best car in 5 years if you count 2018 and he won 4 titles out of that, I would sa thats very good and what your supposed to achieve and like any great driver he has mistakes and lowpoints that lost him a title but annys me how many people seem to believe Seb is the only driver to ever loose a title due to mistakes. And Hamilton and Schumacher are on another level but besides that Seb doesn't have to take a backseat to anybody IMO.
@@thefiercedruid you are absolutely correct , neither hamilton nor schumacher have won all the world titles that they have contested in the best car , seb deserves a huge amount from respect from everyone for everything that he has achieved . Hell when he was given a beast of a car in 2013 he won 9 races in a row , that just dosent sound like a fluke to me . Even in 2018 if the team properly supported seb over kimi in all races and didnt pressure him , i think he could have won his 5th ...
I mean that's how F1 is supposed to be
@@thefiercedruid There was a run from 2008 to 2013 where nearly everything Sebastian Vettel touched turned into gold and he scored 39 victories in that time. Yes 2014 wasn't great but I would say 2015 and 2017 probably atone for that. The only full bad years in Vettel's career are 2014 and 2020 imo, you could argue 2nd half of 2018 too but I think he is #7 or 8 all time and is ahead of and slightly behind some great drivers.
@@saiyerugara9038 you got a point and I am not gonna arfue about Number 8 vs Nr 3 or Nr 5 all-time because so much ist subjective in that. There were so many great champions in F1 over the years that I might put him higher but I am not gonne argue with Top 10. The people that annoy me are only the ones that walk araound talking crap about seb like he is a below average driver who didnt help Red Bull win titles but was almost a hindrance to redbull they had to win in spite of. Or say that Verstappen is already a greater all time driver than Seb. He might end up being but he still has to doi it.
Great, informative video.Thx
Hey man good video as always but I think You could put Fangio in your story and the way he won WDC with Ferrari as i belive it contributes to story well
The growth in you and the content of this channel over the past 3 years has been immense and you should be incredibly proud.
Amazing quality, would love to see that video on Prost x Ferrari 1990
Thanks for the fantastic video brother
I’m confused as to why Fernando Alonso is always considered a failure at Ferrari. The man finished 2nd in the standings 3 times in his 5 years there and had he been in a good car he probably would have won two of those (2010 & 2012)
Bro 3 times the points of the menacing Raikkonen in the same car is nothing to laugh at
His 2014 season too is literally one of the best by any driver.
if alonso had 7 points more in his career he would be 5 times wc. Oly by 7 points...
Please do 80s 90s Ferrari video!!! This is a MUST
Why do so many great drivers fail at Ferrari? I don't think it's the right question to ask, people are just having unrealistic expectation with Ferrari. There are many great drivers fail at McLaren, Williams, or any team. Despite having all the rich history, it doesn't mean that Ferrari should win automatically, doesn't mean Ferrari can't fail. Ferrari is just one of many competiters in F1 and only one of them can win.
After the disappointing 2020, and with a no-world champion driver line up, I hope it can reset people's expectation about Ferrari. They can finally view Ferrari just as a competiter, not THE GREAT FERRARI and stop asking questions like this.
It's Ferrari that don't let go of this. Almost every fan already know that. But they're stuck in the past. Very sad.
Agree 100%.
And it is exactly what is happening. Ferrari is now viewed as a team between the midfield and top tier. And they are being praised for positions like 4th and maybe 3rd because of their future world champion driver Leclerc and another brilliant driver in Sainz. Gone finally are the days where doing a Mercedes and lapping literally every other car on track are the expectation. And hopefully it is a good thing to humble them.
Brit media will never talk shit about McLaren and Williams but they will shit on Ferrari 24/7
Really enjoy your videos, Aldas Thanks so much -G Finally Kimi just had to say "Tell me what you want me to do" AND that's when they were 'allegedly' cheating, too much horse power... same for Charles 1x I believe, and you never had to mention their incentive payment witch was spent all those noncompetitive years.
Great video, thank you
Alonso was the greatest Ferrari driver to never win with Ferrari. I welcome debate but don’t expect much. He was a legend with his extremely aggressive driving style and intuitive starts. In another life when Ferrari still made the best car we would be talking about Alonso the 6 time champion at least.
I mean, Ross Brawn said it himself in 2012 at Silverstone: "He is simply one of the all-time greats. He wins races he shouldn't win, races that he's got no right to win. And that's the mark of a great driver. He's not had a great car this year but he's on top of the championship. He has managed to get there because of what he is, the driver he is."
@@rumblefish9 fernando is benchmark for last 20 years in f1...
Next on the list: Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz Jr.
2022 - Charles Leclerc
“Lack of leadership - someone who has a clear and commanding voice, and can manage both drivers in a title fight”
It’s 2022 and apparently, they still have this problem. As a Tifosi, it frustrates me a lot.
Prost could’ve won if he didn’t get revenged by Ayrton. Alonso could’ve won if he didn’t get stuck in traffic in Abu Dhabi 2010. And Vettel could’ve won if he didn’t make mistakes in 2018.
Whataboutism doesn't take away from the fact that each of them have missed the mark at their respective tenures at Ferrari. For Prost and Alonso, it's the team that's failed them. For Seb, it's himself.
@@sailor7537 true
I still can't understand why Ferrari fired Maurizio Arrivabene. They shouldn't have let Binotto decide what to do...
It's a typical high level management tactic. They have to blame somebody else for their own failures, so they sacrifice somebody. Todt insisted that while he was there, things would be done his way, so when management forced the issue, he left. That was 2007, the year that Kimi won. The team have not won a driver's or constructor's championship since.
He was the best team principle for that team. I still cannot believe they thought Binotto would be better.
Great video!
Great story! Would like to learn more about the Prost, Mansell downslide...
All the great champions that failed there show it's Ferrari not the drivers.
Thank for this nice insight. I have been a Ferrari fan since the MSC moved from Benetton to the team. Have so many years I have to say if I weigh what I have gotten as a fan it’s been more disappointments than moments of being proud. That pored with what I have learned and witnessed on their backwards thinking has led me to just not like them anymore. I’m not a fan pf Leclrec and I feel Sainz made a mistake moving there. Ferrari may be historical but that does not equate to great.
Ferrari is probably the most consistent team in f1, but not for a good reason.
Excellent work Aldas
This guy has an amazing ability to make 1-syllable words into 2-syllable words
Good-uh.
Shove-uh.
Ten-uh.
Twelve-uh.
Driving-uh.
Grid-uh.
Yeah pretty annoying once you notice lol.
Came here to say this.
Hey Aldas...Greetings from India mate ! 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
I just thought about 3 people
Alain Prost / Fernando Alonso / Sebastian Vettel
all could not hold their emotion for the problems at Ferrari and they just slipped away
I can say the team does not have the best management, but the biggest history and fame no matter the heart
and that is why I still love Ferrari to this day
Seb didn't fail at ferrari he got as close as possible to the championship. Mercedes and hamilton just were a better combo.
Nah mate they were just good at sidelining the 2nd seat
@@krishnaj9135 you are right is some cases, but in the seb/kimi era, both were active, Hamilton won ,with seb and kimi getting 2nd and 3rd in the championship