@@maxb412 thats not true, thats the same as saying "max verstappen is not a good driver, if he was, he was at mercedes by now" like wtf there are just 20 seats
@@lionshistoryandgeography When you spend almost 10 years in F1 you usually get a podium even if it is by mistake. Look at Grosjean, Perez (before he gets to Red Bull) or Magnussen.
@@Damasiofa i found it funny how Grosjean had like 8 podium, one of them in crappy lotus and go even with Kimi in Lotus while Hulkenberg considered better than him at some point. Then Perez x Hulkenberg pairing, the formidable duo in a good car, and checo still come out on a podium despite again, people believe that Hulk is a better driver. Magnussen while pretty clear not so ahead of Nico, but this guy straight up got podium in his first race in a declining McLaren, Hulkenberg spent 10 years and the podium he made is a friend along the way lmao
Monza 1971 is a typical example of Chris Amon's abysmal luck. Leading the race by a country mile with the race drawing to a close, only for his attempt to remove a tearoff from his visor to go disastrously wrong. Instead of the tearoff coming off, the entire visor came off. He dropped like a stone, eventually finishing sixth. That being said, the man himself refused to say that he was the unluckiest driver in the sport as in many ways he felt lucky. In the era he raced in, the sport was at its most dangerous, many didn't live to see their careers last long and he felt glad to have had a full career in spite of this and retired largely on his own terms
Chris Amon also had the Alesi syndrome: always changing a team at the wrong time. He changed to March in 1970 just when Ferrari was getting stronger. Then in 1971 he went to Matra-Simca just when March was getting better. Then he tried to build his own team and also refusing a Brabham offer to stay with his own team.
The Andretti quote, I knew it. But Bernie has a one good too about Amon. He once said: "If I would see him in front at the last lap with a 30 second-gap to the second place, I would bet against him". Yeah... wrong place at the wrong time. But in those days, those cars would wreck or broke easy. And... what would happen if he choose to race for Brabham in 74? Instead, Carlos Pace got the place.
Video is a bit misleading. Not that its wrong or anything, but the 'way' a driver went about racing had so much more impact on things like reliability back then. It used to be just as important to be forgiving and gentle with a car, as well as being naturally fast and talented. Not saying ALL of Chris Amon's retirements were his own doing, but I refuse to accept he had so much more drama than most, without some of them being down to the way he drove. He was exceptionally quick, but perhaps that is also why he never got anywhere.
Sir Stirling sacrificing his own chances to give the title to Hawthorn, von Trips who had won the title if he had not died in penultimate race. Rindt who couldn’t enjoy his title, Villeneuve who had so much bad luck in 1979, Reutemann 1981 leading championship throughout the entire season till last race. Stefan Bellof breaking multiple record marks of motorsports during his short-lasting life, he was the Senna of the early 80s. Regarding the 2000s Montoya comes to my mind, incredibly talented but bad luck and hotheadedness.
I think Montoya's personality is more to blame for that. His luck partly cost him in '03. Exceptional talent, but he just fell out of love with F1 and just imploded at mclaren. Was such a legend in BMW Williams.
@@prateekgill27 yeah, it was mainly his own fault. Unfortunately he was not afraid of blaming and attacking his own team by public media instead of discussing problems behind closed doors, provoking McLaren to fire him.I have no doubt, he would have won at least one title if he had controlled his temper and focused on racing☹️
I thought it was Nick Heidfeld: never won and appeared on the podium like, every season I remember. Or Robert Kubica: starred at BMW Sauber and Renault, meant to drive for Ferrari in 2012, never happened. Or Giancarlo Fisichella, never able to challenge Alonso. Or Chris Amon, you're right
Heidfeld was unlucky at times, but more so underrated. It's a shame he never got a proper drive with a top 2 team despite his incredible performances. No big team took a chance with him. Heidfeld in place of Kovalainen at mclaren in 2008, if possible, would've been great.
@@prateekgill27 I think Heidfeld was in talks with Mercedes to partner Nico for their debut season in 2010. Mercedes wanted an all German driver lineup and Heidfeld-Rosberg was the preferred pairing before Schumacher decided to come out of retirement and they went with Schumacher.Who knows how his F1 career would have panned out if Michael never came out of retirement.
Fisichella was favored at the beginning of 2005 until they realized he was nowhere alonso's level, I don't remember in which race, I think Suzuka, but there was a team radio in which the engineer complained to fisichella "You have the same tyres and fuel as fernando and you are lapping one second slower than him, please pick up the pace this can't be" PD: I found it, I got it a bit wrong, it was Australia 2006, here's the video ruclips.net/video/AFVRoH9nUtI/видео.html
@@Alsael2 Fisichella won in Malaysia, 2005, 2nd race of the season. But that proved to be a false dawn as a championship contender. Fernando Alonso took charge after that and never looked back
There was a great radio interview on the now defunct Radio Sport [RIP] where Amon was asked about his "unlucky" monika. Amon denied he was unlucky. Because he was still alive. During his era there were a lot of unluckier dudes who never got the opportunity to retire, take up farming and tune suspensions on Toyota's. He had a long and distinguished career which he lived long enough to be able to put into context, and at the end of the day was at peace not only with F1, but also with himself. I think that left him pretty lucky.
Absolutely right. It's too tragic to make comparisons in this respect but when I think about the circumstances, Tom Pryce has got to be considered 'most unlucky'. Killed by a marshal's fire extinguisher in 1977. Absolutely no warning, nothing he could do or should have done differently.
Had to look up what actually happened at Monza in 1968, and it's the craziest thing I've read in a while. There's a picture of the aftermath in the video, but the full story is that Amon lost control on some oil at one of the Lesmos, crashed, rolled over the barrier, was launched out of the Ferrari, and somehow landed on some tree branches completely unharmed! I'm just gonna assume this is where all his luck went, because *holy shit.*
I think it was about Chris Amon who Mario Andretti said that "if he became an undertaker people would stop dying" EDIT: FFS I hadn't gotten to that part of the video yet when I wrote this
It's worth remembering Chris's own reaction whenever people told him he was the unluckiest F1 driver. Due to the fact he survived his career during that era, he felt like he was actually one of the lucky ones.
Reutemann also suffered changing teams at the wrong time. He moved from Brabham because of the Alfa engines, and goes to drive for Ferrari but Lotus develops ground effect. He moves to Lotus, Ferrari wins the title that year, he moves to Williams and now Brabham is fighting for championships again... And don't get me started on his attempts to win his home grand prix...
Damn, it's like the gods are watching him: god 1 - Hey, there goes Carlos again. God 2 - Don't worry, I'll zap his engine when he takes the lead. Both break down laughing at their own cruelty... Reutemann changes teams. God 1 - Oh no! He went to Williams. They aren't bad at all. God 2 - I'll take care of this shit... (and here we go agaaaaain...)
He did win the 24h Le Mans in 1966 by being partnered with Bruce McLaren at Ford; That was part of the reason Enzo asked him to come drive for him. But we all know how that went down...
That just shows he's an amazing driver, and with an amazing amount of bad luck in F1. Poor guy At least he can hold his head up high knowing that not anyone can win le mans
@@humphreywolfe long story short: Henry Ford II and the execs like Leo Beebe wanted a formation finish since the GT40s were 1-2-3 at the end. Because of the way the Le Mans rules work, the distance traveled overall is the determining factor of the winner. Since McLaren/Amon started further back they won, even though Miles and Hulme crossed the line first.
I first learnt about Chris Amon when I saw the 1966 film 'Grand Prix' - many of the fictional drivers were partially based on real ones and they used real race footage and similar helmet designs. The main character, Pete Aron played by James Garner, used Amon's white, red and blue helmet.
At the race driver's meetings, I think that other than Garner and Montand, the rest are all the real racers. Go back and freeze the frame, to pick out who is who. It's the only time I saw many of them alive.
Ah -- speak, Memory! And this well-done vid brings back a few. I saw Chris Amon race at least twice back in the day, including the epic Ferrari drive at Watkins Glen in '67 and later in the original March 701. I remember also reading of his star-crossed exploits in the several months after-the-fact race articles in Road & Track and Autosport (which were about the only way you could follow F1 in the States in the far-off days before You Tube and Skye TV and live-streaming) in the pages of which he was always described even then as the "fastest man never to have won a GP."
Remember being at Anderstorp 76. He drove very well. Crashed. Got injured. By the fencing. Very bad protection in those days. Always thought that was the end. Nice man- got his autograph. I was 10.
Well researched and excellent footage, some of which I've not seen before. Love Andretti's quote at the end. I guess one silver lining is that he walked away alive from the sport during those dangerous years.
Some weeks ago, I was searched for an activity to procrastinate during my exam period, so I searched out every F1 World Champion if points were awarded for qualifying results. In 1968, Amon would have become the champ with 3 poles, 3 P2s and 2 P3s. He never close to a championship in the actual standings.
Brilliant, thank you for promoting the best of Kiwi drivers, please I know it might not work but can you do one on Denny too, I’d love to hear your take on his work!! 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
5:13 the clip from the same episode of TG that goes: "James: I could've had a puncture in any car. Jeremy: Yeah, but you didn't." would've been fitting.
I read that Amon started out racing an obsolescent Maserati 250F back in New Zealand in the early 1960s. And it was in this machine he was spotted by Reg Parnell, who claimed that the last time he saw a 250F driven that way is _when Fangio drove one..._
Fun fact about Chris Amon's 1968 season. I did some very boring and nerdy calculations once, and found that if the championship was determined based on qualifying results instead of race results, Amon would have won the title that year with 55 points (13 ahead of Graham Hill). Instead he came 10th, with just 10 points (38 less than Graham Hill). THAT'S how good - and how unlucky - Chris Amon really was.
Finally Chris Amon one of the F1 greatest driver EVER, second most underated just to Pierluigi Martini in my opinion, great video and great subject as always
I remember reading a story about a race that he finished fourth in where the top 3 basically just rolled their broken cars across the line and he would have one if there was just one more lap
I know you don’t do a lot of list videos, but I think there’s some meat on the bone here for top ten drivers to… -never win a Grand Prix -only win one Grand Prix -never get a shot in top flight equipment
I do wonder how much of this is down to luck. If his parts are being shredded everywhere he goes, surely Amon himself is a factor in this? Sort of the opposite of Jim Clark.
My thoughts exactly. Judging by the kind of failures he endured (gearbox, differential, driveshaft, engine...), sounds to me like he wasn't the best at changing gears/heel and toe
Wow he was rather unlucky, but I'd still say he was lucky enough to survive racing in that somewhat dangerous era though. I didn't know much about him until stumbling upon your video whilst binge watching the channel, very interesting stuff :) Interestingly, in 1970 he co-founded a British airline called Brymon Airways with a chap called Bill Bryce. He didn't have much involvement in the airline and instead focused on the racing, I'm guessing that was for the best ;) Anyway, keep them coming mate :)
great video, such a shame about his luck, such a good driver yet no luck. Another very unlucky but talented New Zealand driver is arguably Paul Radisich, looked like a potential BTCC champion from his debut with Ford part way into 1993, but then came up against the mite of the Alfa Romeos in 1994 and then from 1995 onwards the Ford and later the Pergeot were terrible in BTCC
Hulk probably is the most underrated and unlucky,in the list of many others,i can put Badoer and Grosjean there also Ok Chris is the unluckiest driver for sure
Would love to see a WTF happened to Jan Magnussen, as I see him as one of the biggest wastes of talent in F1 ever. He had a junior carrer comparable to Senna, but it just didn't work out in F1.
I would still say that its Jean Alesi. Or Robert Kubica. I mean, literally that single poorly mounted barrier at Ronde di Andora destroyed his entire F1 career with possibly many championship chances to come. And when he had his incredible comeback, he joined the team with one of the worst cars in modern Formula 1 historyn Andorra
@@simoneburini4036 Oh, yeah, youre right, thanks for the correction. I think I already made that mistake a while ago, checked it but already managed to forget XD
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 What's fucking funny is Moreno has had the opposite effect on teams. Whenever Champ Car teams are struggling and need an experienced driver NOW, they called Moreno. And he usually delivered decent results. One reporter managed to get more information out of him than he expected. He asked what was Moreno's secret to constantly being competitive enough to keep teams begging for his phone number. He nearly let out information he did NOT intend to release! He caught himself and replied with a cleverly crafted answer. It goes something like this (sorry, I'm LOOSELY summarizing but I think you'll understand.): Moreno has been all over the place, back and forth from F1 to Champ Cars and here and there. Whenever teams "call 911" he answers. This has given him access to their equipment and he knows the strengths and weaknesses of the cars. But nobody's going to know precisely what they are. Moreno's lips are sealed so tight, you'd be screaming at your Swiss banker to shut up! 😂. There seemed to be a bit of a gentleman's agreement with him and the teams. He would substitute for their injured driver and do the best he could. He was allowed to set up the car the way he wished but the mechanics/engineers were not allowed to squeeze information out of him on a rival's chassis. They were to set up the car and let him drive it. And he almost always delivered by getting them the points they sorely needed to keep fighting for the Champ Car title.
his racing record on wikipedia looks hilarious, basicly just retirements and podiums. but imo you can't call anybody unlucky who raced during this time and came out alive.
I can't help feel like Ronnie Peterson had worse luck, a phenomenal driver who was also hit by many car issues over the years, and who drove the Tyrell 6 wheeler in a year when it had gone from competitive to a bit of a dog Peterson was tragically killed in a crash at Monza in 78, which deeply affected the whole field but especially James Hunt who retired the next year. He still managed to finish the season in 2nd posthumously
Amon was definitely Champion material. He used to consider himself lucky to have survived despite his awful luck in races. 1972 French GP one of the greatest drives ever.
This guy has the patience of the gods. Hulkenberg has a far better career than Amon. He should have resigned after season 1. Andretti statement was savage
hey Josh, can you make a video about Luca Badoer? he's the man behind the Ferrari domination in early 2000s, but everyone looked at him as a bad driver with most races (50) without a single point
I feel this is vaguely relevant so I'm going to say it! I believe people forget how unlucky Jolyon Palmer was during his time in F1. No where near this unlucky but for modern standards pretty unlucky.
He did get tempted back at the end of the '76 season by Walter Wolf and did a bit of driving for them in anticipation of the Canadian GP but when he had a crash (that thankfully didn't do a lot of damage) during qualifying with another driver he decided his earlier call to quit F1 was the one he should have stuck with. He cited several previous driver deaths when asked about his reasons for retiring so Lauda's crash, although not fatal, was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I love Amon's story of 1967 Le Mans 24h puncture, how he tried to solve it, and how the story ends with his Ferrari catching fire. A great, frikin' fast, but unlucky driver
Other than the names on this list.. there's this one name whom I think deserved way better. Pascal Wehrlein. Youngest DTM champion and managed to score points with the worst cars on the grid while both his teammates got zilch. Sauber chose Ericsson's money over his talent. He is only 27 tho so I hope he'll get the chance he deserved. People keep on mentioning Hülkenberg and Kvyat but they have gotten their chances. Random fact: Lewis Hamilton is actually not 100% black since his mother is white, same case with Wehrlein but he has a white dad and a black mom. We could have had a Hamilton-Wehrlein partnership, not because of their ethnicities but because Wehrlein was the first Mercedes academy member in F1 before Ocon and Russell came.
Unluckiest driver must be Robert Kubica. He outdrove both the BMW and Renault which were midfield cars, regularly achieving podiums and had his unfortunate crash in 2011 just as he was going to drive for Ferrari in 2012.
He was lucky with the most important thing though: surviving. With the safety systems back then it's amazing he got all those years and retired to a farm and not in the ground
A bit of A hobby of mine is doing Alt history in excrutiating detail so for Alt-timeline Chris, he would've won 5 races and 18 Podiums, with his Best Championship position Being a 5th in the standings of 1967. But that's just silly me having silly ideas Anyways, glad to see Him getting some recognition. And to answer the question of Jo many points he lost in 1968? A championships' worth
I am reading a lot of comments here about X racer, or Y guy, who folk seem to think are just as much in contention for the dubious honor as Amon. See, on the surface you are right. But when you look at the details, it becomes so much clearer as to why Amon really is deserving of the title, and what Andretti said was true. When some of these contenders mention were leading a race, they were leading by a few seconds, perhaps even pushing double figure seconds..... in the newer eras, or even a few minutes in earlier eras..... Amon was once leading a race... at,.... Spa? I think it was..... .....but almost SEVEN MINUTES.... he'd already lapped half the field... even back in the day when timings DID come down to minutes, no seconds, THAT was an AWING dominance.... at least until.... I think it was the gear box, that time, shredded itself. I think it might have been in his Ferrari days... and the team, uncharacteristically, some time later, admitted that from their investigation it seemed that essentially, he was pushing so hard, going so fast, the gearbox just could not hack it, demands wise, and died. That was NOT a one off. On many occasions when he was leading... he was not just leading... not even just dominating.... but DEDCIMATING the field..... the his suspensions would break.... or his engine blow up... or his fuel pump eject itself out the car for a little day trip to the woods. Many of the engineers and mechanics who knew Amon, from that era, say something not said about all the other candidates for this dubious honour: He was too fast for the technology. They will tell you it was not just that he was a highly skilled, fast driver, that had some bad luck.... but that he was so fast, and so skilled, that in some instances, it was demands he was putting on the cars, cars not made with the expectation someone could ever put such demands on them, caused the failure which never failed to happen, and take him out of contention. Some of those poles he took, he took from nowhere, by ages, on bad tyres......some of the laps he was setting to break those records in catchups, were at the time, revelations. He was not just a good unlucky driver... he was FAST.... SO fast, he was considered by many of his peers in the paddock, on his day, to be literally miles ahead, in way almost no other contender could be considered. Yet this was also something which cursed him..... because if he was ever aware of it, he had to chose between trusting the car... which he so oft saw he should not have.... only to have it die... half the time because he was pushing it so fast, and hard because he could be so good, or not....because he did not trust it... and getting those podiums and points places.....but never the win he was otherwise in line for. Yes it has been said that if he was an undertaker, people would stop dying.... but it has also been said that had he shown up as an F1 driver 30 years later, he'd have been Schumacher.
Chris would disagree, in fact he did whenever it was put to him. Though frustrated he counted himself lucky to have survived the most dangerous era of grand prix racing. A really lovely and immensely talented guy he was also a most hospitable host as I would find out. How to lose an afternoon with the undivided attention of one of Enzo's finest who could tell stories of evenings with the old man and much more. I spoke with Bruce Harre who ran Firestone's GP testing which supplied Ferrari and..... Lotus. He rated both the number one drivers equally - that's Amon alongside Clark, two of my all time favourites!
What about Ralf Schumacher? Didn't get the Ferrari seat in 2000 because his brother was there. In 1999 he got 3 podiums and 6th place in the championship while his teammate got 0 points(outscored Barrichello too).
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Yeah, Hulkenberg has had Hamilton-Verstappen royal treatment from the heavens compared to Chris Amon.
Hulkenburg is overrated. If he was as good as people make him out to be then he would have a seat
@@maxb412 thats not true, thats the same as saying "max verstappen is not a good driver, if he was, he was at mercedes by now" like wtf there are just 20 seats
@@lionshistoryandgeography no that’s not the same as saying hulkenberg was a average driver …
@@lionshistoryandgeography When you spend almost 10 years in F1 you usually get a podium even if it is by mistake. Look at Grosjean, Perez (before he gets to Red Bull) or Magnussen.
@@Damasiofa i found it funny how Grosjean had like 8 podium, one of them in crappy lotus and go even with Kimi in Lotus while Hulkenberg considered better than him at some point. Then Perez x Hulkenberg pairing, the formidable duo in a good car, and checo still come out on a podium despite again, people believe that Hulk is a better driver. Magnussen while pretty clear not so ahead of Nico, but this guy straight up got podium in his first race in a declining McLaren, Hulkenberg spent 10 years and the podium he made is a friend along the way lmao
Monza 1971 is a typical example of Chris Amon's abysmal luck. Leading the race by a country mile with the race drawing to a close, only for his attempt to remove a tearoff from his visor to go disastrously wrong. Instead of the tearoff coming off, the entire visor came off. He dropped like a stone, eventually finishing sixth.
That being said, the man himself refused to say that he was the unluckiest driver in the sport as in many ways he felt lucky. In the era he raced in, the sport was at its most dangerous, many didn't live to see their careers last long and he felt glad to have had a full career in spite of this and retired largely on his own terms
"shit, I cant see"
God: "Oh heres a little "help" with that"
I wonder if he hadn't remove that?
How the hell could he rip off his whole visor? That sounds like a freak accident (and an actual accident waiting to happen).
@@mat2000100 well, full face helmets were still in their infancy at the time, tearoff strips were even more so. It was a total freak accident
Well, the car would break down so often that I don't think he was in as much danger as any of the others!
Chris Amon also had the Alesi syndrome: always changing a team at the wrong time. He changed to March in 1970 just when Ferrari was getting stronger. Then in 1971 he went to Matra-Simca just when March was getting better. Then he tried to build his own team and also refusing a Brabham offer to stay with his own team.
Or did Alesi have the Amon syndrome?
Alonso too
how can you have a syndrome named after someone who came after you?
Peterson was the same
@@moeezshahzad6445 Alonso didn't get the back cat's reliabilty that Alesi got.
The Andretti quote, I knew it. But Bernie has a one good too about Amon.
He once said: "If I would see him in front at the last lap with a 30 second-gap to the second place, I would bet against him".
Yeah... wrong place at the wrong time. But in those days, those cars would wreck or broke easy. And... what would happen if he choose to race for Brabham in 74? Instead, Carlos Pace got the place.
And know Carlos pace has a track named after him and any new or casual f1 fans have never heard of Amon unless they watch josh
As they saying goes, "He could fall into a bucket of tits and come out sucking his thumb."
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Poor guy, imagine having to deal with THAT much mechanical failures in your entire f1 career.
Video is a bit misleading. Not that its wrong or anything, but the 'way' a driver went about racing had so much more impact on things like reliability back then. It used to be just as important to be forgiving and gentle with a car, as well as being naturally fast and talented. Not saying ALL of Chris Amon's retirements were his own doing, but I refuse to accept he had so much more drama than most, without some of them being down to the way he drove. He was exceptionally quick, but perhaps that is also why he never got anywhere.
It makes Kimi's bad luck with reliability seem like extremely good luck.
@@coolL9457 no one cares if you refuse to believe in something.
Sir Stirling sacrificing his own chances to give the title to Hawthorn, von Trips who had won the title if he had not died in penultimate race. Rindt who couldn’t enjoy his title, Villeneuve who had so much bad luck in 1979, Reutemann 1981 leading championship throughout the entire season till last race. Stefan Bellof breaking multiple record marks of motorsports during his short-lasting life, he was the Senna of the early 80s. Regarding the 2000s Montoya comes to my mind, incredibly talented but bad luck and hotheadedness.
“F-ING Räikkönen, what a F-ING idiot” is one of my favorite lines from him
I think Montoya's personality is more to blame for that. His luck partly cost him in '03.
Exceptional talent, but he just fell out of love with F1 and just imploded at mclaren. Was such a legend in BMW Williams.
There's also Roberto Pupo Moreno, who was crazy quick, but always relegated to backmarkers.
@@prateekgill27 yeah, it was mainly his own fault. Unfortunately he was not afraid of blaming and attacking his own team by public media instead of discussing problems behind closed doors, provoking McLaren to fire him.I have no doubt, he would have won at least one title if he had controlled his temper and focused on racing☹️
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE he put an Andrea Moda in qualy what a man
I thought it was Nick Heidfeld: never won and appeared on the podium like, every season I remember. Or Robert Kubica: starred at BMW Sauber and Renault, meant to drive for Ferrari in 2012, never happened. Or Giancarlo Fisichella, never able to challenge Alonso. Or Chris Amon, you're right
he has the record for most podiums without a win in Formula 1 AND Formula e ^^
Heidfeld was unlucky at times, but more so underrated. It's a shame he never got a proper drive with a top 2 team despite his incredible performances. No big team took a chance with him. Heidfeld in place of Kovalainen at mclaren in 2008, if possible, would've been great.
@@prateekgill27 I think Heidfeld was in talks with Mercedes to partner Nico for their debut season in 2010. Mercedes wanted an all German driver lineup and Heidfeld-Rosberg was the preferred pairing before Schumacher decided to come out of retirement and they went with Schumacher.Who knows how his F1 career would have panned out if Michael never came out of retirement.
Fisichella was favored at the beginning of 2005 until they realized he was nowhere alonso's level, I don't remember in which race, I think Suzuka, but there was a team radio in which the engineer complained to fisichella "You have the same tyres and fuel as fernando and you are lapping one second slower than him, please pick up the pace this can't be"
PD: I found it, I got it a bit wrong, it was Australia 2006, here's the video ruclips.net/video/AFVRoH9nUtI/видео.html
@@Alsael2 Fisichella won in Malaysia, 2005, 2nd race of the season. But that proved to be a false dawn as a championship contender. Fernando Alonso took charge after that and never looked back
There was a great radio interview on the now defunct Radio Sport [RIP] where Amon was asked about his "unlucky" monika. Amon denied he was unlucky. Because he was still alive. During his era there were a lot of unluckier dudes who never got the opportunity to retire, take up farming and tune suspensions on Toyota's. He had a long and distinguished career which he lived long enough to be able to put into context, and at the end of the day was at peace not only with F1, but also with himself. I think that left him pretty lucky.
Absolutely right. It's too tragic to make comparisons in this respect but when I think about the circumstances, Tom Pryce has got to be considered 'most unlucky'. Killed by a marshal's fire extinguisher in 1977. Absolutely no warning, nothing he could do or should have done differently.
Had to look up what actually happened at Monza in 1968, and it's the craziest thing I've read in a while. There's a picture of the aftermath in the video, but the full story is that Amon lost control on some oil at one of the Lesmos, crashed, rolled over the barrier, was launched out of the Ferrari, and somehow landed on some tree branches completely unharmed! I'm just gonna assume this is where all his luck went, because *holy shit.*
That is definitely where his luck went, fucking hell how do you survive that
Holy Senna, no kidding, even I wouldn’t survive that
Holy shit, now I understand why people sincerely believe your luck can run out...
I think it was about Chris Amon who Mario Andretti said that "if he became an undertaker people would stop dying"
EDIT: FFS I hadn't gotten to that part of the video yet when I wrote this
Stil the most accurate desciptorof Amon luck though.
It's worth remembering Chris's own reaction whenever people told him he was the unluckiest F1 driver. Due to the fact he survived his career during that era, he felt like he was actually one of the lucky ones.
Reutemann also suffered changing teams at the wrong time.
He moved from Brabham because of the Alfa engines, and goes to drive for Ferrari but Lotus develops ground effect. He moves to Lotus, Ferrari wins the title that year, he moves to Williams and now Brabham is fighting for championships again...
And don't get me started on his attempts to win his home grand prix...
Damn, it's like the gods are watching him: god 1 - Hey, there goes Carlos again. God 2 - Don't worry, I'll zap his engine when he takes the lead. Both break down laughing at their own cruelty...
Reutemann changes teams. God 1 - Oh no! He went to Williams. They aren't bad at all. God 2 - I'll take care of this shit... (and here we go agaaaaain...)
Chris Amon survived 60s and 70s F1, that makes him pretty lucky!
Also had no idea Ferrari never competed at the 1968 Monaco Grand Prix till now!
He did win the 24h Le Mans in 1966 by being partnered with Bruce McLaren at Ford; That was part of the reason Enzo asked him to come drive for him. But we all know how that went down...
I think all of his good luck was used in the Le Mans win
That just shows he's an amazing driver, and with an amazing amount of bad luck in F1. Poor guy
At least he can hold his head up high knowing that not anyone can win le mans
@@humphreywolfe Yh but McLaren/Amon only won because of Ford’s politics
@@gamingtype4 oh didn't know that
@@humphreywolfe long story short: Henry Ford II and the execs like Leo Beebe wanted a formation finish since the GT40s were 1-2-3 at the end.
Because of the way the Le Mans rules work, the distance traveled overall is the determining factor of the winner. Since McLaren/Amon started further back they won, even though Miles and Hulme crossed the line first.
I first learnt about Chris Amon when I saw the 1966 film 'Grand Prix' - many of the fictional drivers were partially based on real ones and they used real race footage and similar helmet designs.
The main character, Pete Aron played by James Garner, used Amon's white, red and blue helmet.
At the race driver's meetings, I think that other than Garner and Montand, the rest are all the real racers. Go back and freeze the frame, to pick out who is who. It's the only time I saw many of them alive.
Ah -- speak, Memory! And this well-done vid brings back a few. I saw Chris Amon race at least twice back in the day, including the epic Ferrari drive at Watkins Glen in '67 and later in the original March 701. I remember also reading of his star-crossed exploits in the several months after-the-fact race articles in Road & Track and Autosport (which were about the only way you could follow F1 in the States in the far-off days before You Tube and Skye TV and live-streaming) in the pages of which he was always described even then as the "fastest man never to have won a GP."
Remember being at Anderstorp 76. He drove very well. Crashed. Got injured. By the fencing. Very bad protection in those days. Always thought that was the end. Nice man- got his autograph. I was 10.
Vincenzo Sospiri, finally able to make F1 debut only to have your first F1 go bankrupt before you even make your debut race
Well researched and excellent footage, some of which I've not seen before. Love Andretti's quote at the end. I guess one silver lining is that he walked away alive from the sport during those dangerous years.
Some weeks ago, I was searched for an activity to procrastinate during my exam period, so I searched out every F1 World Champion if points were awarded for qualifying results. In 1968, Amon would have become the champ with 3 poles, 3 P2s and 2 P3s. He never close to a championship in the actual standings.
I wonder if Arnoux or Trulli is one of those champions lol, both were crazy fast on one lap.
your channel is the best f1 channel mate keep it up. would like to see you do race previews/reviews this season
I don't know if anyone said this before but congrats on 300K dude, you're an absolute legend and you deserve to get to that milestone!
I honestly thought this would be about Jean Alesi, but Chris Amon works too
Jean Alesi was what came to my mind.
No idea how he's only won one race, excellent driver
Verstappen is more unlucky
@@un6250 No, do you even know who Alesi is? Also there are plenty of more unlucky drivers than Verstappen
@@albert_gyorgy They’re probably talking about jos verstappen. Schumacher claimed that jos was faster but wasn’t prioritised
Brilliant, thank you for promoting the best of Kiwi drivers, please I know it might not work but can you do one on Denny too, I’d love to hear your take on his work!! 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
Me: *reads title*
Also me: "I mean, how bad could it be
6 minutes later
Me: *"Jesus fucking christ"*
5:13 the clip from the same episode of TG that goes: "James: I could've had a puncture in any car. Jeremy: Yeah, but you didn't." would've been fitting.
Congrats on 300k subscribers josh, love your vids man ❤️
I read that Amon started out racing an obsolescent Maserati 250F back in New Zealand in the early 1960s. And it was in this machine he was spotted by Reg Parnell, who claimed that the last time he saw a 250F driven that way is _when Fangio drove one..._
four-wheel drifting.
"Ferrari put him on wrong tyre"
More the things change the more they stay the same don't they?
Finally, a video about Bruno Giacomelli’s favourite F1 driver
How old are you and i think he would be a champion big talent but sooo unlucky
Fun fact about Chris Amon's 1968 season. I did some very boring and nerdy calculations once, and found that if the championship was determined based on qualifying results instead of race results, Amon would have won the title that year with 55 points (13 ahead of Graham Hill). Instead he came 10th, with just 10 points (38 less than Graham Hill). THAT'S how good - and how unlucky - Chris Amon really was.
So pleased Amon has been mentioned here. A real talent who just didn't have the rub of the green. Deserved better.
Finally Chris Amon one of the F1 greatest driver EVER, second most underated just to Pierluigi Martini in my opinion, great video and great subject as always
I remember reading a story about a race that he finished fourth in where the top 3 basically just rolled their broken cars across the line and he would have one if there was just one more lap
I know you don’t do a lot of list videos, but I think there’s some meat on the bone here for top ten drivers to…
-never win a Grand Prix
-only win one Grand Prix
-never get a shot in top flight equipment
Judging by the title I could swear I was about to watch a video about Bottas but this dude is on a whole other level.
I do wonder how much of this is down to luck. If his parts are being shredded everywhere he goes, surely Amon himself is a factor in this? Sort of the opposite of Jim Clark.
My thoughts exactly. Judging by the kind of failures he endured (gearbox, differential, driveshaft, engine...), sounds to me like he wasn't the best at changing gears/heel and toe
This we may never know. All we have are the results.
Also Amon considered himself the luckiest F1 driver of all time cause he survived all this shit to die of natural causes a couple of years ago.
Wow he was rather unlucky, but I'd still say he was lucky enough to survive racing in that somewhat dangerous era though. I didn't know much about him until stumbling upon your video whilst binge watching the channel, very interesting stuff :) Interestingly, in 1970 he co-founded a British airline called Brymon Airways with a chap called Bill Bryce. He didn't have much involvement in the airline and instead focused on the racing, I'm guessing that was for the best ;) Anyway, keep them coming mate :)
Congratulations on 300k Subscribers
great video, such a shame about his luck, such a good driver yet no luck. Another very unlucky but talented New Zealand driver is arguably Paul Radisich, looked like a potential BTCC champion from his debut with Ford part way into 1993, but then came up against the mite of the Alfa Romeos in 1994 and then from 1995 onwards the Ford and later the Pergeot were terrible in BTCC
0:12 Earl Bamber would like to remind you he exists and holds one third of New Zealand's overall Le Mans victories.
You forgot to mention another great NZ driver Howden Ganley who raced at the same time as Hulme, McLaren & Amon.
Hulk probably is the most underrated and unlucky,in the list of many others,i can put Badoer and Grosjean there also
Ok Chris is the unluckiest driver for sure
Truly unlucky. Great video. Keep up the good work.
Would love to see a WTF happened to Jan Magnussen, as I see him as one of the biggest wastes of talent in F1 ever. He had a junior carrer comparable to Senna, but it just didn't work out in F1.
He went on to race in other race series and has been successful
But when he was going to le mans he became a god when he signed with chevrolet.
Yeah this is far far more cursed than Alonso's career choices
Won Le Mans in 1966 in the GT40 though, which is pretty cool
I would still say that its Jean Alesi. Or Robert Kubica. I mean, literally that single poorly mounted barrier at Ronde di Andora destroyed his entire F1 career with possibly many championship chances to come. And when he had his incredible comeback, he joined the team with one of the worst cars in modern Formula 1 historyn Andorra
Szkoda ze tylko Polacy o tym mówią. Czasami mam wrażenie że reszta świata ma wyjebane
It didn't happen in Andorra but in Italy (Rally Ronde di Andora, with one R, not two)
@@simoneburini4036 Oh, yeah, youre right, thanks for the correction. I think I already made that mistake a while ago, checked it but already managed to forget XD
it would be cool to do a video about Roberto Moreno, the guy had a fucking wild ride of a career
The ultimate supersub and shitbox whisperer
From doing well at Bennetton to... driving for a member of the Mafia.
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 What's fucking funny is Moreno has had the opposite effect on teams. Whenever Champ Car teams are struggling and need an experienced driver NOW, they called Moreno. And he usually delivered decent results. One reporter managed to get more information out of him than he expected. He asked what was Moreno's secret to constantly being competitive enough to keep teams begging for his phone number. He nearly let out information he did NOT intend to release! He caught himself and replied with a cleverly crafted answer. It goes something like this (sorry, I'm LOOSELY summarizing but I think you'll understand.): Moreno has been all over the place, back and forth from F1 to Champ Cars and here and there. Whenever teams "call 911" he answers. This has given him access to their equipment and he knows the strengths and weaknesses of the cars. But nobody's going to know precisely what they are. Moreno's lips are sealed so tight, you'd be screaming at your Swiss banker to shut up! 😂. There seemed to be a bit of a gentleman's agreement with him and the teams. He would substitute for their injured driver and do the best he could. He was allowed to set up the car the way he wished but the mechanics/engineers were not allowed to squeeze information out of him on a rival's chassis. They were to set up the car and let him drive it. And he almost always delivered by getting them the points they sorely needed to keep fighting for the Champ Car title.
Quite a history lesson. Thanks for producing this.
As bad as this sounds. At least he didn’t have a fatal crash
Teo Fabi and Jean-Pierre Jabouille were pretty unlucky too
his racing record on wikipedia looks hilarious, basicly just retirements and podiums.
but imo you can't call anybody unlucky who raced during this time and came out alive.
I can't help feel like Ronnie Peterson had worse luck, a phenomenal driver who was also hit by many car issues over the years, and who drove the Tyrell 6 wheeler in a year when it had gone from competitive to a bit of a dog
Peterson was tragically killed in a crash at Monza in 78, which deeply affected the whole field but especially James Hunt who retired the next year. He still managed to finish the season in 2nd posthumously
Gaaawwwwddddd Damn!!! Andretti's quote was savage. "If he became an undertaker, people would stop dying" I'm in tears 😂😂😂
He got so pissed in his lifetime that he became the Main villain of the Star Craft 2 games...
Amon was definitely Champion material. He used to consider himself lucky to have survived despite his awful luck in races. 1972 French GP one of the greatest drives ever.
This guy has the patience of the gods. Hulkenberg has a far better career than Amon. He should have resigned after season 1. Andretti statement was savage
Congrats on 300k 🍿🤌🏾🥳
hey Josh, can you make a video about Luca Badoer? he's the man behind the Ferrari domination in early 2000s, but everyone looked at him as a bad driver with most races (50) without a single point
Amon said himself "I'm lucky. I survived"
I feel this is vaguely relevant so I'm going to say it! I believe people forget how unlucky Jolyon Palmer was during his time in F1. No where near this unlucky but for modern standards pretty unlucky.
He did get tempted back at the end of the '76 season by Walter Wolf and did a bit of driving for them in anticipation of the Canadian GP but when he had a crash (that thankfully didn't do a lot of damage) during qualifying with another driver he decided his earlier call to quit F1 was the one he should have stuck with. He cited several previous driver deaths when asked about his reasons for retiring so Lauda's crash, although not fatal, was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Jonny Herbert must have been a strong contender for this award.
I love Amon's story of 1967 Le Mans 24h puncture, how he tried to solve it, and how the story ends with his Ferrari catching fire. A great, frikin' fast, but unlucky driver
I loved that Bojo joke lol. Thanks Josh
Other than the names on this list.. there's this one name whom I think deserved way better.
Pascal Wehrlein. Youngest DTM champion and managed to score points with the worst cars on the grid while both his teammates got zilch. Sauber chose Ericsson's money over his talent. He is only 27 tho so I hope he'll get the chance he deserved. People keep on mentioning Hülkenberg and Kvyat but they have gotten their chances.
Random fact: Lewis Hamilton is actually not 100% black since his mother is white, same case with Wehrlein but he has a white dad and a black mom. We could have had a Hamilton-Wehrlein partnership, not because of their ethnicities but because Wehrlein was the first Mercedes academy member in F1 before Ocon and Russell came.
That last quote by Mario Andretti, was the cherry on top of the story's cheeky humor.
I'd never heard of Chris Amon. Thank you for making the video!
Honorable mention : Felipe Massa.
I think it's Daniil Kvyat, in 2014 he was a promising driver, in 2015 he was ahead of Riccardo, and then everything went downhill
Bruno Senna is the most unlucky driver. Ayrton's death cursed his whole carreer.
Chris Amon could also be considered the luckiest driver considering none of those mechanicals ended up with a life ending crash...
Unluckiest driver must be Robert Kubica. He outdrove both the BMW and Renault which were midfield cars, regularly achieving podiums and had his unfortunate crash in 2011 just as he was going to drive for Ferrari in 2012.
BMW Sauber podiums between 2007 and 2008
Heidfeld:6
Kubica:7
WTF are you talking?
He was lucky with the most important thing though: surviving. With the safety systems back then it's amazing he got all those years and retired to a farm and not in the ground
"The car's perfect . . . . even when it's broken." Perfect!!
It would be interested to have had modern diagnostics on Amon's gear.
That end quote had me in stitches🤣🤣🤣
Seems like a genie granted his wish to become an F1 driver but also cursed him to never have a win
I saw an interview where he disputed the unlucky tag, saying he he was still alive when many had died racing
300k congrats
Your one liners never fail to make me laugh.
A bit of A hobby of mine is doing Alt history in excrutiating detail so for Alt-timeline Chris, he would've won 5 races and 18 Podiums, with his Best Championship position Being a 5th in the standings of 1967.
But that's just silly me having silly ideas
Anyways, glad to see Him getting some recognition. And to answer the question of Jo many points he lost in 1968? A championships' worth
I tought that this video is going to be about Alberto Moreno because his birthday is today
This man wasn't just snakebit.
He was the goddamn Old Country Buffet for an entire den of vipers.
Man never misses
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istead of winning he survived all these years where f1 was deadly as hell
"if he became an undertaker, people just stops dying" lmao that's another level of bad luck
Honestly the most interesting driver you've talked about so far
I am reading a lot of comments here about X racer, or Y guy, who folk seem to think are just as much in contention for the dubious honor as Amon.
See, on the surface you are right.
But when you look at the details, it becomes so much clearer as to why Amon really is deserving of the title, and what Andretti said was true.
When some of these contenders mention were leading a race, they were leading by a few seconds, perhaps even pushing double figure seconds..... in the newer eras, or even a few minutes in earlier eras..... Amon was once leading a race... at,.... Spa? I think it was..... .....but almost SEVEN MINUTES.... he'd already lapped half the field... even back in the day when timings DID come down to minutes, no seconds, THAT was an AWING dominance.... at least until.... I think it was the gear box, that time, shredded itself. I think it might have been in his Ferrari days... and the team, uncharacteristically, some time later, admitted that from their investigation it seemed that essentially, he was pushing so hard, going so fast, the gearbox just could not hack it, demands wise, and died.
That was NOT a one off. On many occasions when he was leading... he was not just leading... not even just dominating.... but DEDCIMATING the field..... the his suspensions would break.... or his engine blow up... or his fuel pump eject itself out the car for a little day trip to the woods.
Many of the engineers and mechanics who knew Amon, from that era, say something not said about all the other candidates for this dubious honour: He was too fast for the technology.
They will tell you it was not just that he was a highly skilled, fast driver, that had some bad luck.... but that he was so fast, and so skilled, that in some instances, it was demands he was putting on the cars, cars not made with the expectation someone could ever put such demands on them, caused the failure which never failed to happen, and take him out of contention.
Some of those poles he took, he took from nowhere, by ages, on bad tyres......some of the laps he was setting to break those records in catchups, were at the time, revelations.
He was not just a good unlucky driver... he was FAST.... SO fast, he was considered by many of his peers in the paddock, on his day, to be literally miles ahead, in way almost no other contender could be considered.
Yet this was also something which cursed him..... because if he was ever aware of it, he had to chose between trusting the car... which he so oft saw he should not have.... only to have it die... half the time because he was pushing it so fast, and hard because he could be so good, or not....because he did not trust it... and getting those podiums and points places.....but never the win he was otherwise in line for.
Yes it has been said that if he was an undertaker, people would stop dying.... but it has also been said that had he shown up as an F1 driver 30 years later, he'd have been Schumacher.
Goddamn, poor guy just couldn't catch a break. The universe itself didn't want him to succeed.
Chris would disagree, in fact he did whenever it was put to him. Though frustrated he counted himself lucky to have survived the most dangerous era of grand prix racing. A really lovely and immensely talented guy he was also a most hospitable host as I would find out. How to lose an afternoon with the undivided attention of one of Enzo's finest who could tell stories of evenings with the old man and much more. I spoke with Bruce Harre who ran Firestone's GP testing which supplied Ferrari and..... Lotus. He rated both the number one drivers equally - that's Amon alongside Clark, two of my all time favourites!
I think a lot can be said about a man that breaks a lap record twice powered by sheer anger.
video 2 of me asking for a vid for pascal wehrlein
He really was one board choice away from becoming a race-winner at Merc, and now he's struggling to finish in the top 10 of FE
He really was one board choice away from becoming a race-winner at Merc, and now he's struggling to finish in the top 10 of FE
What about Ralf Schumacher? Didn't get the Ferrari seat in 2000 because his brother was there. In 1999 he got 3 podiums and 6th place in the championship while his teammate got 0 points(outscored Barrichello too).
This guy's racing record makes Ricciardo's 2018 season look like heaven on earth
Lando: *misses out his first win at Sochi on the last lap*
Chris: "first time?"
He has an impressive record on his belt, most retirements without being killed in an era when everyone could get killed if they crashed.
As soon as I saw the title Chris Amon was the only name I thought of.
6:07 Andretti had no chill 💀