Actually Medivh himself clear things out in one of his Heroes of the Storm quotes : Atiesh Greatstaff of the Guardian is a powerful artifact passed from master to apprentice, pay no attention to that priest yielding it, or that. Mage, or Khadgar, actually never pay attention to Khadgar.....
***** Oh right sorry. So Illidan having a cell phone, Rexxar playing cards, Uther complaining about paladins getting too complicated as a player class or Gul'dan being sued by Darkness for using its name is totally in the lore?
I am trolling genius is this so hard to understand? We are talking for a game were Tyrande says that they have only one rule with Malfurion in bed, no transformations, hmmm come to think about it, this actualy makes secne....
khadgar may not want to be the guardian but if it looks like it, smells like it and acts like it then he is the guardian he just isnt been imbued with power the way the old Guardians were, we the players are lending him our strength (but lets face it, it probaly a good thing he isn't getting Imbued with power he's dam strong as is)
Could there be more to it since he is just showing up with atiesh in his hands? Maybe protecting the staff from ending in the wrong hands maybe? Like Gorehowl ending up in Malchezaar's hands somehow ?
I hate the whole, I don't want the power of a guardian, I'm scared of the temptation and corruption bullshit, it basically says there is no such thing as good hearted people and anyone and everyone would be corrupted if they gained such power, I'd like to believe there are characters that could attain such power and not immediately go bat shit insane and try and destroy everyone. Not wanting it, I get that, you shouldn't want it if you're the right person to use it, but if you have the opportunity and you refuse it in spite of all the lives you could save, well that just seems silly and basically says there is no such thing as good people and true heroes, you're only good if you're weak enough to be good, get too strong and you'll turn evil. Wut.
The whole point of not having a guardian is not to have Azeroth to rely on it. Medivh and Khadgar always stated this. That the whole poitn of warcraft 3, the fate of the world is in mortal hand.
Hey Nobbel. A quick video suggestion, as a thing to end out 2016, maybe discuss future Class Heroes in Hearthstone. For example, Rogue class only has Valeera. But I would think that Blizzard could maybe later add Garona or even Vanessa VanCleef as a playable hero. Perhaps even Nathanos as a Hunter. Nubundo for Shaman. Maraad for Paladins. The list goes on!
when blizzard removed the athiesh fragments while naxxramas went to northend they also rewrote the story and the stuff was never brought from kara to dalaran and never got scatterd, kahdgar just went to karaza and took it
(please correct me if im wrong) In the novel "The last guardian" , after medivh died at the hands of khadgar and lofar, it was written that the whole tower accepted khadgar as its master, and all the fragments of memories from the corrupted medivh were consumed by khadgar and each one had given him more and more power. Khadgar wasn't really anle to cast many spells before that. Thats what I remmember from the novel.
Does the alternate mage skin medivh give a different line when actually attacking with atiesh? similar to how garrosh has a different line when he hits anduin with gorehowl? that would give me a loregasm
I actually read the Last Guardian some months ago. and at the End it said that Khadgar transformed into a Raven and flew Off. And in the Clip that you showed he said "atieshes Raven Form " by that logic he should have had atiesh all along.
The only reason people dislike him is because its become a fad to hate characters that are "super" there is nothing wrong eith medan. Gsrona and medivh having a relationship and a kid is a really cool story, and medans story was really cool. Medan is cool. I think he can and should totally show up in wow so,eday. Its fine that he isnt the gaurdian anymore, they could easily write it as he gave up his powers and went on to do whatever. Following in a new expansion or something. He can still have shamanic priest and mage magic, but he doesnt have to be super powered. All they have to do is a little bit of lore that medan met khadgar had a heart to heart and ended up not only giving up his powers but gving khadgar his staff then medan goes off to space or something.
My votes for the next card (in no particular order): - Archmage Antonidas - Truesilver Champion - Voidwalker - Captain Greenskin - Tinkmaster Overspark
Random question, but after you're finished with the legion videos would you be willing to do a series explaining the different specs for classes? I'm thinking specifically of shadow priests and how they work in the lore, considering they're channeling the power of the void lords and everyone is just cool with that.
I have been thinking about Faceless Manipulator for a while now, and regarding that it technically really could mess things up big time in WoW. Do they exist in WoW too? (How about speaking about them next?)
Hello. as a subscriber I wanted to know if you could do a character lore video about the demi god cenarius. I was thinking about it earlier. I am a huge warcraft fan but I surprisingly know very little about. could you do a lore video on him it would be very much appreciated
Azshara was the most powerful sorcerous ever known to Azeroth 10,000 years ago she was more powerful than Mannoroth himself and even Archimonde feared she could hold her own against him, and this is solely her own power without any external influence like fel-magic and being imbued with the guardian's power. Aegwynn at the height of her power when she destroyed the avatar of Sargares most likely would have been able to take down War of the ancients Azshara, but post-War of the ancients Azshara has had a further 10,000 years to gather her strength and she has been imbued heavily with old god corruption/power, present day Azshara would most likely be more powerful than any of the guardians at the height of their power and would most likely be more powerful than Kil'jaeden, Archimonde and Deathwing in terms of powerful antagonists within the game, Azshara doesn't get much credit because she has been at the bottom of the ocean out of sight, but she is by far one of the single most powerful antagonists within the game, and rightfully so WoW is seriously lacking in powerful female villains.
Not a nobbel, and just lorewalker but still. Medivh was the most powerful guardian, strongest mage that the world has ever seen. Capable of transcending the vastness of Twisting Nether and Void. Man who was able to create stable portal to another planet. All the knowledge gathered by mages for centuries at his disposal. The only being on Azeroth that Deathwing feared. On the other hand queen Azshara, ruler of the Kal'dorei empire, the Light of Lights, Empress of Nazjatar, the most powerful sorceress to ever walk Azeroth. Her powers and mastery over the Well of Eternity were unmatched. Mannaroth dared not to point weapon at her. Even Archimonde feared that she may be more powerful than he. Now empowered by the old gods last queen of Kalimdor holds sway over the horrors beneath the sees and her power grows. This will be close call either way. Tho losing the Well was probably a big hit, she most likely adapted to the situation. If we are going to talk pre-sundering, Medivh has little to no chance of wining. However without giant pool of raw power at her disposal Azshara is weaker than she used to be. In present time I'm going to give the win to Medivh, just because we didn't seen much from Azshara in past 10 000 years and not even before, she didn't really used magic as a weapon that much.
This is a well known staff, that was wielded to other people, and I really want to know who created the staff. Probably a ancient order of Humans probably created it. Kept it hidden until a Guardian was chosen, and it was brought to become the Guardian's chosen weapon ever since.
well Med'an becoming the guardian is not cannon anymore (think I saw it in some bluepost), dunno if he got it before or after that in the comics (or wherever, dont really care about this nonsense of a lore)
Medan was not retconned thank you very much and he is not a bad character I love the idea of Medans character and want to see him done justice in world of warcraft. His comics and the events within said comics that painted him out to be the god-like goody two shoes everyone knows him as were, so he has not been ret-conned, his character does still exist, Medivh and Garona did have a child, his history is just a mystery to us and the events of those comics not the characters themselves are no longer canon. Why hate such an awesome fucking character, seriously half human, quarter Draenei, quarter orc, son of a guardian and assassin, so much fucking potential, hate the god awful writer of the comics, not the character.
He has the ability to learn anything with pretty much zero issues, and that is no exaggeration, it's pretty much what he does. He is just all around the "perfect" character and that makes him pretty unlikeable cause people having flaws and weaknesses gives them more depth.
He's overpowered, almost Godlike- and he's a good guy. This doesn't bode well for us WoW fans whos job it is to save the world. If Med'an was made canon the way he is in the comics, there would be no need for heroes.
Lets count it down. He was useless for the story, he is paladin/mage/shaman/druid/rogue/warrior/monk/idiot. He done nothing to deserve this power. And most importantly (for me at least) he shits on everything that Medivh did in W3
When I saw Khadgar using Atiesh as a friggin' book light, I burst out laughing. Then I wanted to slap him across the face for such a disgraceful use of an artifact ^^
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People of azeroth: "khaddy is our guardian." Khadgar: " i must refu.." People of azeroth: "SUCH A SILLY GUARDIAN!" Tbh don't you only become a guardian when being empowered by the other classes too? Or was that just medan being overpowered as usual?
Cmon man, mispronouncing Alodi? You know the movie got it wrong. The right pronunciation is in the pre-patch for Legion when you actually talk to him. Al-O-dee
NO NO NO NO Garona is NOT his lover, stop spreading terrible comics lore as real, its not! like I said before, the writer just ignored past lore and made up its own damnit it, i am a old man stuck in the past!! help me...
You filthy casuals doesn't own atiesh ? With red ribbon on top of it? How long you been playin' wow for ? You newbies wasn't good enough raid Naxxand aq40 on vanilla ? Filthy commoners :D :D :D I'm a fucking terrible person :'>
![The Story of Archmage Antonidas [Hearthstone Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ztm2a_7g4Kw/mqdefault.jpg)
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Actually Medivh himself clear things out in one of his Heroes of the Storm quotes : Atiesh Greatstaff of the Guardian is a powerful artifact passed from master to apprentice, pay no attention to that priest yielding it, or that. Mage, or Khadgar, actually never pay attention to Khadgar.....
Wait a god damn second. You himself said in a different comment that Heroes of the storm is not canon. So what gives?
Heroes of the Storm is non-canon. How does Murky defeating Ragnaros fit the lore do you think? It doesn't
***** Oh right sorry. So Illidan having a cell phone, Rexxar playing cards, Uther complaining about paladins getting too complicated as a player class or Gul'dan being sued by Darkness for using its name is totally in the lore?
I am trolling genius is this so hard to understand? We are talking for a game were Tyrande says that they have only one rule with Malfurion in bed, no transformations, hmmm come to think about it, this actualy makes secne....
khadgar may not want to be the guardian but if it looks like it, smells like it and acts like it then he is the guardian he just isnt been imbued with power the way the old Guardians were, we the players are lending him our strength (but lets face it, it probaly a good thing he isn't getting Imbued with power he's dam strong as is)
Could there be more to it since he is just showing up with atiesh in his hands? Maybe protecting the staff from ending in the wrong hands maybe? Like Gorehowl ending up in Malchezaar's hands somehow ?
That's the whole point. He doesn't mind being "a" guardian. He just doesn't want the power, or the temptation that comes with it.
I hate the whole, I don't want the power of a guardian, I'm scared of the temptation and corruption bullshit, it basically says there is no such thing as good hearted people and anyone and everyone would be corrupted if they gained such power, I'd like to believe there are characters that could attain such power and not immediately go bat shit insane and try and destroy everyone. Not wanting it, I get that, you shouldn't want it if you're the right person to use it, but if you have the opportunity and you refuse it in spite of all the lives you could save, well that just seems silly and basically says there is no such thing as good people and true heroes, you're only good if you're weak enough to be good, get too strong and you'll turn evil. Wut.
The whole point of not having a guardian is not to have Azeroth to rely on it. Medivh and Khadgar always stated this. That the whole poitn of warcraft 3, the fate of the world is in mortal hand.
Travis Stanley there a deleted scene in the movie Warcraft and khadgar gets offerd to be guardian but he says no
Hey Nobbel. A quick video suggestion, as a thing to end out 2016, maybe discuss future Class Heroes in Hearthstone. For example, Rogue class only has Valeera. But I would think that Blizzard could maybe later add Garona or even Vanessa VanCleef as a playable hero. Perhaps even Nathanos as a Hunter. Nubundo for Shaman. Maraad for Paladins. The list goes on!
when blizzard removed the athiesh fragments while naxxramas went to northend they also rewrote the story and the stuff was never brought from kara to dalaran and never got scatterd, kahdgar just went to karaza and took it
how about the portal cards next? (unstable portal, fireland portal, moonglade portal ect.)
(please correct me if im wrong) In the novel "The last guardian" , after medivh died at the hands of khadgar and lofar, it was written that the whole tower accepted khadgar as its master, and all the fragments of memories from the corrupted medivh were consumed by khadgar and each one had given him more and more power. Khadgar wasn't really anle to cast many spells before that. Thats what I remmember from the novel.
Does the alternate mage skin medivh give a different line when actually attacking with atiesh? similar to how garrosh has a different line when he hits anduin with gorehowl? that would give me a loregasm
I actually read the Last Guardian some months ago. and at the End it said that Khadgar transformed into a Raven and flew Off. And in the Clip that you showed he said "atieshes Raven Form " by that logic he should have had atiesh all along.
Maybe make an Video about The Dark Star ? i don't realy know what it is and what it does.
The only reason people dislike him is because its become a fad to hate characters that are "super" there is nothing wrong eith medan. Gsrona and medivh having a relationship and a kid is a really cool story, and medans story was really cool. Medan is cool. I think he can and should totally show up in wow so,eday. Its fine that he isnt the gaurdian anymore, they could easily write it as he gave up his powers and went on to do whatever. Following in a new expansion or something. He can still have shamanic priest and mage magic, but he doesnt have to be super powered. All they have to do is a little bit of lore that medan met khadgar had a heart to heart and ended up not only giving up his powers but gving khadgar his staff then medan goes off to space or something.
My votes for the next card (in no particular order):
- Archmage Antonidas
- Truesilver Champion
- Voidwalker
- Captain Greenskin
- Tinkmaster Overspark
Random question, but after you're finished with the legion videos would you be willing to do a series explaining the different specs for classes? I'm thinking specifically of shadow priests and how they work in the lore, considering they're channeling the power of the void lords and everyone is just cool with that.
I really hope there will be come lore about how the staff ended in Kadgars Hands
Just a side comment: Atiesh is a word found in the Persian language (farsi) and roughly translates into "fire" or "flame" depending on who you ask.
If we all get these crazy artifact weapon stories, we deserve a story for Khadgar getting his.
Maybe Khadgar was a player this whole time D:
Fel reaver please and other fel weapons such as fel cannon
I have been thinking about Faceless Manipulator for a while now, and regarding that it technically really could mess things up big time in WoW. Do they exist in WoW too? (How about speaking about them next?)
Hello. as a subscriber I wanted to know if you could do a character lore video about the demi god cenarius. I was thinking about it earlier. I am a huge warcraft fan but I surprisingly know very little about. could you do a lore video on him it would be very much appreciated
I'd love a video about the Doomhammer!!
This is so confusing to follow some times
I know that this isn't a card, but can you talk about the Vanilla Class Questlines, like you did for the Order Hall Campaigns?
the players of vanilla cleansed the staff by finishing the quest chain
rag light lord
i had wondered how it got in khadgars hands guess we're waiting on blizzard like usual
figured there was more
if there any story for the new hearthstone expansion for the three bosses
Does Khadgar say anything if you're wielding the staff? Time is convoluted in Lor-- Azeroth.
1 question loremaster Nobbel - Guardian vs Azshara, who would win in your opinion :)
Azshara was the most powerful sorcerous ever known to Azeroth 10,000 years ago she was more powerful than Mannoroth himself and even Archimonde feared she could hold her own against him, and this is solely her own power without any external influence like fel-magic and being imbued with the guardian's power. Aegwynn at the height of her power when she destroyed the avatar of Sargares most likely would have been able to take down War of the ancients Azshara, but post-War of the ancients Azshara has had a further 10,000 years to gather her strength and she has been imbued heavily with old god corruption/power, present day Azshara would most likely be more powerful than any of the guardians at the height of their power and would most likely be more powerful than Kil'jaeden, Archimonde and Deathwing in terms of powerful antagonists within the game, Azshara doesn't get much credit because she has been at the bottom of the ocean out of sight, but she is by far one of the single most powerful antagonists within the game, and rightfully so WoW is seriously lacking in powerful female villains.
Not a nobbel, and just lorewalker but still.
Medivh was the most powerful guardian, strongest mage that the world has ever seen. Capable of transcending the vastness of Twisting Nether and Void. Man who was able to create stable portal to another planet. All the knowledge gathered by mages for centuries at his disposal. The only being on Azeroth that Deathwing feared.
On the other hand queen Azshara, ruler of the Kal'dorei empire, the Light of Lights, Empress of Nazjatar, the most powerful sorceress to ever walk Azeroth. Her powers and mastery over the Well of Eternity were unmatched. Mannaroth dared not to point weapon at her. Even Archimonde feared that she may be more powerful than he. Now empowered by the old gods last queen of Kalimdor holds sway over the horrors beneath the sees and her power grows.
This will be close call either way. Tho losing the Well was probably a big hit, she most likely adapted to the situation. If we are going to talk pre-sundering, Medivh has little to no chance of wining. However without giant pool of raw power at her disposal Azshara is weaker than she used to be.
In present time I'm going to give the win to Medivh, just because we didn't seen much from Azshara in past 10 000 years and not even before, she didn't really used magic as a weapon that much.
Thank you both guys :)
Wait, does that comic picture show Alodi as a high elf? Because the order hall version of him is kinda.. hoomen.
he was a half-elf
He's supposed to be half elf-half human, but blizzard doesn't have any of those models in game, so they just used a hoomen
Garona was medivh's lover? But in the wow movie garona was getting it on with lothar?
You should talk about Kazakus
nobbel could you do the story of the Twilight's hammer?
The Voidwalker.
This video need an immediate update based on the comments below
Noobel87 is there eny reason why in hearthstone Wrathion isnt a dragon?
This is a well known staff, that was wielded to other people, and I really want to know who created the staff.
Probably a ancient order of Humans probably created it.
Kept it hidden until a Guardian was chosen, and it was brought to become the Guardian's chosen weapon ever since.
rcshaggy 7 was it the toothpick of a void god?
So Medan is Not Canon anymore? Yeeiiiiiiiiiiiii
Nobody said that.
***** You got no proof of that, i possibly couldnt have missed something like that ._.'
***** No! Sir, thou are trying to fool me! I will not fall for such... trickery! Off with your head!
Doesnt Medivh call Khadgar the Guardian in the Kharazan Dungeon?
Didnt they said that Medan is non canon?
do the story of lighwell!
dont ignore it
calia menethil in priest order hall ..
Fuck Medan. Anyway... great video :P
well Med'an becoming the guardian is not cannon anymore (think I saw it in some bluepost), dunno if he got it before or after that in the comics (or wherever, dont really care about this nonsense of a lore)
Medan ?:
Pretty sure Medan was retconned. I hope he was.
Call it bias to my favorite race, but I'd request Alpha Prime.
I miss Nobbel's old pronunciation of Atiesh. :(
So like, what ever happened to medivh's mother, is she still alive?
souljaryanboy I think she died in the comics, but since that's non canon...who knows.
souljaryanboy I think she died in the comics, but since that's non canon...who knows.
If comiks as not a true lore, where is Aegewyn? And how Cho'gall became a monster?
There is more than one.
Medan was not retconned thank you very much and he is not a bad character I love the idea of Medans character and want to see him done justice in world of warcraft. His comics and the events within said comics that painted him out to be the god-like goody two shoes everyone knows him as were, so he has not been ret-conned, his character does still exist, Medivh and Garona did have a child, his history is just a mystery to us and the events of those comics not the characters themselves are no longer canon. Why hate such an awesome fucking character, seriously half human, quarter Draenei, quarter orc, son of a guardian and assassin, so much fucking potential, hate the god awful writer of the comics, not the character.
murloc knight next
how.about the story the beast and finkle einhorn
Happy holidays to Nobbel
Nexus-Champion Saraad
Does anyone know why Atiesh isn't available anymore?
it's from Old Nax (Vanilla, Eastern Plaguelands L60. It doesn't exisit anymore (moved to Drgonblight)? The raid did not make it past TBC I think.
Ohhhhh. Ok
so now its pronounced alodie? or was it a fluke?
Khadgar=Sargeras?
Wait, are you telling me that Heartstone is canon?
wolf rider.
This is not hearthstone lore it's Warcraft lore
Why do people hate that Medan guy?
He is more Mary Sue than Green Jesus himself.
He has the ability to learn anything with pretty much zero issues, and that is no exaggeration, it's pretty much what he does. He is just all around the "perfect" character and that makes him pretty unlikeable cause people having flaws and weaknesses gives them more depth.
He's overpowered, almost Godlike- and he's a good guy. This doesn't bode well for us WoW fans whos job it is to save the world. If Med'an was made canon the way he is in the comics, there would be no need for heroes.
Rizerr96 well you warcraft heroes a bit OP to if you think about xD but yea i get it you don't want to lose your job
Lets count it down. He was useless for the story, he is paladin/mage/shaman/druid/rogue/warrior/monk/idiot. He done nothing to deserve this power. And most importantly (for me at least) he shits on everything that Medivh did in W3
Atiesh is not a Hearthstone card.
Christof Fernwald Yes it is
it is, but not collectible, just a card or weapon you get as a battlecry
When I saw Khadgar using Atiesh as a friggin' book light, I burst out laughing. Then I wanted to slap him across the face for such a disgraceful use of an artifact ^^
Yes, such a disgrace
just cause the staff is powerful and mighty, doesnt mean he cant use it for simple things haha
Hello Nobbel!
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The kabal tribe or kazakus
So... he complains about no picking a lore-rich thing, yet he only makes 6mins of content even for Atiesh... ATIESH!!
Mayor Noggenfogger pls
Eyyyy Nobbel
Mayor Noggenfoger
you really labelled it fucking hearthstone lore
rezki lachichi because its a item in hearthstone
Oh, and the Hearthstone is an item from ... ? It's effin' Warcraft lore, at least label it right.
xIDarioIx The video is about hearthstone....fans voted for an item in hearthstone.
And World of Hearthstone is my favourite mmo of all time, lul.
xIDarioIx Good on you.
People of azeroth: "khaddy is our guardian."
Khadgar: " i must refu.."
People of azeroth: "SUCH A SILLY GUARDIAN!"
Tbh don't you only become a guardian when being empowered by the other classes too?
Or was that just medan being overpowered as usual?
tinkmaster overspark
Nobbel I'm tired....
Mayonnaise... Always use mayonnaise
what ? XDDD
JADE GOLEM!!!!
1:11 lolololololololol... no
?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Cmon man, mispronouncing Alodi? You know the movie got it wrong. The right pronunciation is in the pre-patch for Legion when you actually talk to him. Al-O-dee
19th like #gangster\
3rd
C'thun
1st
NO NO NO NO Garona is NOT his lover, stop spreading terrible comics lore as real, its not!
like I said before, the writer just ignored past lore and made up its own
damnit it, i am a old man stuck in the past!! help me...
stop propagating retconned lore
You filthy casuals doesn't own atiesh ? With red ribbon on top of it?
How long you been playin' wow for ?
You newbies wasn't good enough raid Naxxand aq40 on vanilla ?
Filthy commoners :D :D :D
I'm a fucking terrible person :'>