Thank you for all the historial information! I'm so sorry this set was a let down. I totally agree that the concept for a historical palette is really fun, and including information with the set should be a no-brainer. I know as a community, most of us are not paint makers and I'm sure there are many manufacturing details that serve as red tape, but as pigment nerds, it's so hard to see a missed opportunity for a really lovely idea. Like you, I'd love to see a set with nontoxic and lightfast versions of colors like cobalt yellow, vermillion, cinnabar, Tyrian purple, managanese blue, and copper, Paris, or Scheele's green.
Thanks for the historical info - really interesting! Seems nuts to me to offer Viridian Hue in the half pan set when Viridian (PG18) is gorgeous and lightfast and beautifully granulating. It's commonly available by most artist-grade manufacturers. Viridian hue is made from the common Phthalos and should not cost much at all, unlike true viridian.
Mineral Grey is significantly more neutral and a lot lighter than Davy’s grey even when dried down. Ultramarine Ash will be a useful colour here in the U.K., it is very like some winter skies. Both of them and the Ostwald grey fit in very well with other colours in a neutral palette I have put together. I bought the set to complete this palette and it does so nicely, the Tyrian purple over burnt sienna gives a kind of muted red. I have a Renescens (Zecchi) viridian almost identical that paints out better than most and a bit more characterful. Its vermilion is very similar to Field’s orange. I am looking forward to looking at your links, well done with your research, I could find nothing at all to explain this rather odd selection. I think I understand it a bit more now, even the missing two colours which I too was not prepared to pay the ex excess for. Something fun to play around with is overlaying the Tyrian purple on quin rose or a good opera , there are a couple, it just glows in a way it doesn’t do in a mix. Very enjoyable review.
I've considered purchasing these paints since I watched the first review a few weeks ago. After watching your review, I will definitely be purchasing them. By the way, where did you get the tape with measurement markings? The field Orange is my fav. It's hard to find really good oranges.
Hullo Becca, I do enjoy watching your videos! I am not likely to purchase any of these colors. I have taken 2 kinds of Art history classes in college. The first was for general information and was more of a humanities requirement filler! The 2nd was for aspiring artists who were interested in learning about how and why art gets made! I find it peculiar how colors fell out of use in the past. From over use of an ingredient like using up all the available creatures that were turned into pigment! (Think shrimp-fish(snails?) of the Mediterranean for royal purple). Now it seems that paints go out of production because of the automotive industry reducing or eliminating a color of automobiles trickles down to the production of artists paints! Most recently SAP Green or Quin Gold, Burnt Orange, etc. You have done a much better job explaining this in your video, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
I can't wait to try the Ultramarine Ash. I love Roman Szmal's Lapis Lazuli Afghan, but it's pricey. Hoping this is a less expensive replacement. I will defiantly be adding it to my W&N palette as soon as it's available open stock here in the U.S.
I've had these on my list since you first showed them at the expo! I bought the 6 tube set, liked them a lot, and have know ordered tubes of Viridian Hue and Aureolin Hue. It doesn't make up a complete mixing set, but they are lovely, I'm hoping they resurrect some more historic shades. For anyone else interest, enter them online in a Google search. My set of 5 were £10 cheaper than the official W&N shop. W&N have a huge library of historical pigments, and even if they use modern pigments to mimic the old shades, I'd love to see them. And, yes, we need nerding out information!
I've made some purchases due to your in-depth, independent reviews, so I appreciate your time Becca. I'd love the Orange, Green and Tyrian Purple for sure but the price will make me wait for a while. On the other hand, and completely off subject, have you heard about Mission Gold jumping into the granulation game? It's a 56 color set, if I remember correctly, and Alice Lim released a video sharing their upcoming release this week. I thought you'd like to know!
I saw it to, and now I'm waiting on everybody buying them and try them😊...i love granulation, but when it is only mixing two existing colours i love to mix them myself😅
Lots of great info, Becca. Thank you! I will probably pick up Tyrian Purple and Field's Orange. I *love* any purple and I have had Old Holland's Coral Orange PO67 on my wishlist for a while (I like to collect paints with hard to find pigments) but haven't purchased because I find OH paints kind of pricey. I started out with W&N artist/professional paint in my teens. I think it was all my local art shop carried. So I've always had a soft spot for W&N. Thanks again! 🥰
I’d like to see these classic paint co.s create palettes of famous watercolor artists of the past … like Winslow Homer, Andrew Wyeth, Beatrix Potter, Arthur Rackham, Kate Greenaway, … Maybe W&N is assuming we’ll just be adding them to our already established palettes and therefore no need for a balanced selection in the smaller ‘sets’…
I love being able to mix colors, personally. I'm gonna have fun figuring out my own mixes without spending money. Thanks for sharing this though! This kind of feels like just a money grab to me. Even Imperial Violet can be mixed with a bright Indanthrone Blue and Quinacridone Red or Rose.
I bought the tubes as well. I looked at the half pans but didnt see the value in them, especially as Viridian hue was one of the colours. No idea why but Viridian makes me recoil, there's just something about it. I've got some in a pre-made palette - windsor and newton I think - but I've yet to find a way to make it work for me. I love the shades in this set, that Tyrian purple especially but also I love soft grey tones.
At first look, not my set...but i am very curious if the ash and the grey would not make nice mixes...so maybe i will sometime try them for that....on the,other hand, they already have 2 or 3 pigments...that makes them not the best mixer...mmmm... maybe I can find someone who tried it already 😂
Hopefully they listen to you for future colours, I LOVE the colours you mentioned. It looks like the tyrian purple and ostwald grey are my favourites...shame though. That green offends me! Its kind of gross (to me at least)
just looked this up because I was confused by the name as cinnabar (mercury) is red, and I suspected that the original paint might have contained arsenic (usually green) instead, and turns out it did contain arsenic and copper, rather than cinnabar/mercury. No idea why it was called cinnabar green. Maybe at some point there was a fashion for calling everything toxic cinnabar, hahaha
Ah, yes, there is a whole thread about this on WetCanvas. It’s an inherited misnomer due to vermillion (from cinnabar) being used as a standard for opacity at one point. But no actual cinnabar in the cinnabar green pigment at any point, even originally
Majorly underwhelming. Even Aureolin (cobalt yellow) and Viridian are easily available everywhere. To put in a hue and charge a premium for that is a rip-off. Since when did the W&N paint become Qor? Lol.
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Thank you for all the historial information! I'm so sorry this set was a let down. I totally agree that the concept for a historical palette is really fun, and including information with the set should be a no-brainer.
I know as a community, most of us are not paint makers and I'm sure there are many manufacturing details that serve as red tape, but as pigment nerds, it's so hard to see a missed opportunity for a really lovely idea. Like you, I'd love to see a set with nontoxic and lightfast versions of colors like cobalt yellow, vermillion, cinnabar, Tyrian purple, managanese blue, and copper, Paris, or Scheele's green.
I'm underwhelmed by these paints. But I enjoyed your review!
Thanks for the historical info - really interesting! Seems nuts to me to offer Viridian Hue in the half pan set when Viridian (PG18) is gorgeous and lightfast and beautifully granulating. It's commonly available by most artist-grade manufacturers. Viridian hue is made from the common Phthalos and should not cost much at all, unlike true viridian.
Mineral Grey is significantly more neutral and a lot lighter than Davy’s grey even when dried down. Ultramarine Ash will be a useful colour here in the U.K., it is very like some winter skies. Both of them and the Ostwald grey fit in very well with other colours in a neutral palette I have put together. I bought the set to complete this palette and it does so nicely, the Tyrian purple over burnt sienna gives a kind of muted red. I have a Renescens (Zecchi) viridian almost identical that paints out better than most and a bit more characterful. Its vermilion is very similar to Field’s orange.
I am looking forward to looking at your links, well done with your research, I could find nothing at all to explain this rather odd selection. I think I understand it a bit more now, even the missing two colours which I too was not prepared to pay the ex excess for.
Something fun to play around with is overlaying the Tyrian purple on quin rose or a good opera , there are a couple, it just glows in a way it doesn’t do in a mix.
Very enjoyable review.
The title is so spot on. its 100% the feelong i got when i first saw these (but also a watercolor pun, i love puns)
I've considered purchasing these paints since I watched the first review a few weeks ago. After watching your review, I will definitely be purchasing them. By the way, where did you get the tape with measurement markings? The field Orange is my fav. It's hard to find really good oranges.
Aliexpress! I wanted a washi that would help express scale, I really need to use it more often.
Hullo Becca, I do enjoy watching your videos! I am not likely to purchase any of these colors. I have taken 2 kinds of Art history classes in college. The first was for general information and was more of a humanities requirement filler! The 2nd was for aspiring artists who were interested in learning about how and why art gets made! I find it peculiar how colors fell out of use in the past. From over use of an ingredient like using up all the available creatures that were turned into pigment! (Think shrimp-fish(snails?) of the Mediterranean for royal purple). Now it seems that paints go out of production because of the automotive industry reducing or eliminating a color of automobiles trickles down to the production of artists paints! Most recently SAP Green or Quin Gold, Burnt Orange, etc. You have done a much better job explaining this in your video, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
I can't wait to try the Ultramarine Ash. I love Roman Szmal's Lapis Lazuli Afghan, but it's pricey. Hoping this is a less expensive replacement. I will defiantly be adding it to my W&N palette as soon as it's available open stock here in the U.S.
I've had these on my list since you first showed them at the expo! I bought the 6 tube set, liked them a lot, and have know ordered tubes of Viridian Hue and Aureolin Hue. It doesn't make up a complete mixing set, but they are lovely, I'm hoping they resurrect some more historic shades.
For anyone else interest, enter them online in a Google search. My set of 5 were £10 cheaper than the official W&N shop.
W&N have a huge library of historical pigments, and even if they use modern pigments to mimic the old shades, I'd love to see them.
And, yes, we need nerding out information!
I've made some purchases due to your in-depth, independent reviews, so I appreciate your time Becca. I'd love the Orange, Green and Tyrian Purple for sure but the price will make me wait for a while. On the other hand, and completely off subject, have you heard about Mission Gold jumping into the granulation game? It's a 56 color set, if I remember correctly, and Alice Lim released a video sharing their upcoming release this week. I thought you'd like to know!
I saw it to, and now I'm waiting on everybody buying them and try them😊...i love granulation, but when it is only mixing two existing colours i love to mix them myself😅
@ilonavandertang-vos2198 I'm always mixing purples, greens and browns! So much fun!
Lots of great info, Becca. Thank you! I will probably pick up Tyrian Purple and Field's Orange. I *love* any purple and I have had Old Holland's Coral Orange PO67 on my wishlist for a while (I like to collect paints with hard to find pigments) but haven't purchased because I find OH paints kind of pricey. I started out with W&N artist/professional paint in my teens. I think it was all my local art shop carried. So I've always had a soft spot for W&N. Thanks again! 🥰
I’d like to see these classic paint co.s create palettes of famous watercolor artists of the past … like Winslow Homer, Andrew Wyeth, Beatrix Potter, Arthur Rackham, Kate Greenaway, …
Maybe W&N is assuming we’ll just be adding them to our already established palettes and therefore no need for a balanced selection in the smaller ‘sets’…
I love being able to mix colors, personally. I'm gonna have fun figuring out my own mixes without spending money. Thanks for sharing this though! This kind of feels like just a money grab to me. Even Imperial Violet can be mixed with a bright Indanthrone Blue and Quinacridone Red or Rose.
I bought the tubes as well. I looked at the half pans but didnt see the value in them, especially as Viridian hue was one of the colours. No idea why but Viridian makes me recoil, there's just something about it. I've got some in a pre-made palette - windsor and newton I think - but I've yet to find a way to make it work for me.
I love the shades in this set, that Tyrian purple especially but also I love soft grey tones.
This is Natasha Newton’s new dream palette.
At first look, not my set...but i am very curious if the ash and the grey would not make nice mixes...so maybe i will sometime try them for that....on the,other hand, they already have 2 or 3 pigments...that makes them not the best mixer...mmmm... maybe I can find someone who tried it already 😂
Hopefully they listen to you for future colours, I LOVE the colours you mentioned.
It looks like the tyrian purple and ostwald grey are my favourites...shame though. That green offends me! Its kind of gross (to me at least)
just looked this up because I was confused by the name as cinnabar (mercury) is red, and I suspected that the original paint might have contained arsenic (usually green) instead, and turns out it did contain arsenic and copper, rather than cinnabar/mercury. No idea why it was called cinnabar green. Maybe at some point there was a fashion for calling everything toxic cinnabar, hahaha
Ah, yes, there is a whole thread about this on WetCanvas. It’s an inherited misnomer due to vermillion (from cinnabar) being used as a standard for opacity at one point. But no actual cinnabar in the cinnabar green pigment at any point, even originally
Yea eek this was so underwhelming 😢. Definitely won’t be picking these up.
It’s not it’s.
Majorly underwhelming. Even Aureolin (cobalt yellow) and Viridian are easily available everywhere. To put in a hue and charge a premium for that is a rip-off.
Since when did the W&N paint become Qor? Lol.