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  • Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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    Dr. Michael Sugrue earned his BA at the University of Chicago and PhD at Columbia University.

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  • @TunaTheMiner
    @TunaTheMiner 2 года назад +3458

    Fun fact: This lecture was entirely improvised. The person who was supposed to give the lecture had an episode moments before going on stage and Dr. Sugrue filled in for him at the last second. He brought a blank piece of paper with him on stage to make the audience think he wasn't just making it up. This story was told on the Idea Store podcast Q&A part 3.

    • @michaelpattiani7230
      @michaelpattiani7230 2 года назад +96

      That’s amazing, good for all is listening 😮❤. I smile every time a new episode comes out.

    • @tomasroque3338
      @tomasroque3338 2 года назад +23

      Improvised*

    • @robinsarchiz
      @robinsarchiz 2 года назад +10

      An episode?

    • @tomasroque3338
      @tomasroque3338 2 года назад +96

      @@robinsarchiz
      Episode
      noun: episode; plural noun: episodes
      1 - an event or a group of events occurring as part of a sequence; an incident or period considered in isolation.
      "the whole episode has been a major embarrassment"
      2 - a finite period in which someone is affected by a specified illness.
      "acute psychotic episodes"

    • @stevemartinez1360
      @stevemartinez1360 2 года назад +110

      @@tomasroque3338 sir, I encourage you to rethink your purpose.

  • @ashfaquehossain8592
    @ashfaquehossain8592 5 месяцев назад +31

    Dr. Michael Sugrue is Professor of History at Ave Maria University. A graduate of the Great Books Program, he earned his B.A. in History from the University of Chicago and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. in History from Columbia University.
    Prior to taking his position at Ave Maria University, Professor Sugrue taught at Princeton University, the City College of New York, Columbia University, Manhattan College, New York University, Hampton University, and Touro College. He served as the Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow at Johns Hopkins University from 1992 to 1994.
    Professor Sugrue was awarded the Chamberlain Fellowship, the President's Fellowship, the John Jay Fellowship, and the Meyer Padva Prize.

    • @GODHATESADOPTION
      @GODHATESADOPTION Месяц назад

      Hope he knows the books based on pope sixtus...

  • @jacuzzistyles5997
    @jacuzzistyles5997 7 месяцев назад +167

    Michael, I started watching your lectures 3yrs ago… I’m 34 and entered college last spring. your lectures hatched something in my soul. Now I’m majoring in political science, and minoring in philosophy.

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized 3 месяца назад +2

      How’s it going?

    • @iwanttodie7199
      @iwanttodie7199 2 месяца назад

      college at 34? wow

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized 2 месяца назад +2

      @@iwanttodie7199 ^imagine being this guy. It’s not his fault you gave up on yourself

    • @iwanttodie7199
      @iwanttodie7199 2 месяца назад

      @@-Magnetized we clear college at 18, unis at 22 so yeah nah bud.

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized 2 месяца назад

      @@iwanttodie7199 your YT profile name is “iwanttod!e”.
      Like I said before, it’s not his fault your life sucks and you gave up on yourself.

  • @nomankhan2337
    @nomankhan2337 2 года назад +912

    Hands down the best philosophy content on whole RUclips.

    • @sirliridon.4419
      @sirliridon.4419 2 года назад +7

      Rick Roderick too

    • @ethansadberry6069
      @ethansadberry6069 Год назад

      Yes fr

    • @dr.bilalnazir
      @dr.bilalnazir Год назад +1

      Check the lectures of Dr. Arthur Holmes

    • @Ybby999
      @Ybby999 Год назад +4

      @@huzi46 not really philosophy, he talks about MMA a lot and also he's against homosexuals.

    • @huzi46
      @huzi46 Год назад +3

      @@Ybby999 you Clearly haven’t watched most of his content lmao, and no he doesn’t hate on Homosexuals. Only says to leave the kids out of it.

  • @timangar9771
    @timangar9771 2 года назад +176

    Nothing more badass than lecturing for 42 minutes 50 seconds on how to be a villain, calling it "Machiavelli" and dropping it on youtube without further comment.

    • @Supermoneygang12
      @Supermoneygang12 Год назад +5

      You know this is like 40 years old right

    • @YABUKIJOE2077
      @YABUKIJOE2077 Год назад +2

      @@Supermoneygang12 it’s an old video. Good observation

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j Год назад +3

      Can’t be a villain if you wield power

    • @eman85mph
      @eman85mph 3 месяца назад

      Tell that to the cosmic spectrum 🎚 ​@@user-hu3iy9gz5j

    • @mike_theskinny8646
      @mike_theskinny8646 Месяц назад +1

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  • @dompishen
    @dompishen 2 года назад +311

    These lectures are honestly the best philosophy content on youtube.

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Год назад +2

      "like anybody could even know that - Kip Dynamite

    • @dompishen
      @dompishen Год назад

      @@Bear-ow9gy You´ll come around.

  • @MRSXIV
    @MRSXIV 3 месяца назад +37

    RIP Dr. Sugrue…. You provided us with hours upon hours of fascinating lectures & made our lives much more interesting…. A great man.

    • @clubx1000
      @clubx1000 Месяц назад +1

      Sad to hear sad to hear sad to hear

  • @ryanv2324
    @ryanv2324 3 месяца назад +19

    Strangely, it was the news of this mans passing that made me click on one of his lectures just out of curiosity and ive been non stop listening since. So a post-mortem thank you sir

  • @TheDeputyDC
    @TheDeputyDC Год назад +37

    I was waiting for him to say "Mr. Anderson" the whole time. Gave me matrix vibes. Absolutely loved this lecture/talk whatever you wanna call it. Pure awesomeness

    • @nobodynobody4389
      @nobodynobody4389 Год назад +1

      Good observation made me chuckle

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 месяцев назад +2

      Agent Smith would’ve been a huge fan of Machiavelli.

  • @alecunkel1613
    @alecunkel1613 Год назад +112

    Wooow, the most fascinating talk I’ve ever heard. This guy is absolutely brilliant to give this off the top of his head

    • @iceswallow7717
      @iceswallow7717 Год назад +2

      0:47 to understand American mentality

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@iceswallow7717That's people in any country

  • @m.mahdi_BRN
    @m.mahdi_BRN 11 месяцев назад +35

    Teaching is an art. What a brilliant teacher. 👏

  • @robertfrancisburnier6032
    @robertfrancisburnier6032 Год назад +76

    I am in awe of the detail, richness, context, clarity, urgency and relevance conveyed by this lecturer from his own memory apparently impromptu. An inspiring introductory lecture to Machiavelli. Regardless of his ultimate personal views, this professor really knows his subject matter.

  • @Luke_Stoltenberg
    @Luke_Stoltenberg Год назад +121

    The Prince must be one of the oldest books I've read. I read it for no other reason than because I'd heard the author mentioned a great deal and I thought it was worth looking at. It seemed like pretty straightforward and fairly accurate description of power and its consequences. I've come to think that many people think of it as some kind of instruction manual, and I guess it is in a way, whether it is descriptive or prescriptive is one's own choice.
    Knowledge will only accentuate your existing character. It is only dangerous to a dangerous person, either in their hands or in the hands of those who haven't caught on to them

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Год назад +3

      Boring!

    • @WesleyNiman
      @WesleyNiman 11 месяцев назад +2

      Character is defined by one's own thoughts and habits. I believe you are referring to personality. Which still doesn't define one's destiny. You must not exclude the impact of personal choice.. for it shapes your destiny.

    • @harrireyes1459
      @harrireyes1459 10 месяцев назад

      This bozo is a liberal idiot.

    • @MaxwellJWhite
      @MaxwellJWhite 10 месяцев назад +9

      machiavelli was not evil at all... he simply studied those in power and noted which tactics worked or didnt work

    • @Eisenwulf666
      @Eisenwulf666 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@MaxwellJWhiteThis. People nowadays can't differentiate between an author and his works apparently. He was an experienced politician and a passionate reader of history books. He analyzed the situation in Italy at the time and wrote an instruction manual of sorts, meant for the young Medici. He recognized that Italy was divided in many little states, sometimes even city states, that had little armies or even employed mercenaries. He knew that they wouldn't stand a chance against France, the HRE or even the Ottomans, which were great nations with many resources and a state army. Diplomacy and morals are all nice and cute, but the wolves are at the gates waiting.

  • @kunalgupta339
    @kunalgupta339 Год назад +142

    Great teacher..he explains the philosophy with so much interest and in simple terms that it is never boring...really a genius.

    • @SwitzerlandEducation4471
      @SwitzerlandEducation4471 Год назад

      Just follow me for education purpose

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Год назад +2

      ​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 learn to write properly first.

    • @SwitzerlandEducation4471
      @SwitzerlandEducation4471 Год назад +1

      @@Bear-ow9gy sorry how you teach me?

    • @johnmanole4779
      @johnmanole4779 Год назад +1

      ​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 you high my guy? 😂

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 месяцев назад +3

      @grandmasterkhaan5661 me learn good Brain go big

  • @localvideos3668
    @localvideos3668 5 месяцев назад +11

    This man makes Philosophy edible. Any time i sit to listen to his lectures, it's like mealtime. The appetite to eat the intellectual food he serves is so deep. Thanks for being a teacher.

  • @AwokenEntertainment
    @AwokenEntertainment Год назад +28

    have always been curious about Machiavelli's work, this was an incredible dive into these ideas

  • @yellowquantum4240
    @yellowquantum4240 Год назад +164

    I read the Prince as a teenager, really cool as a mature man to hear this again.
    Human nature is like a bag of snakes , not all are poisonous most are!!

    • @SamServ-ht4re
      @SamServ-ht4re Год назад +5

      This is a great quote ima use “human nature is like a bag of snakes not all are poisonous most are “

    • @TheOceanBearer
      @TheOceanBearer Год назад

      I think human nature is more like a magic box in which you never know what will come out when you open it. Sometimes poisonous snakes, sometimes apes in heat, sometimes parents arguing fervently and stubbornly, sometimes someone giving their life to save a complete stranger's, sometimes unnameable and alien yet closer and more familiar than home. Human nature is a kind of bestial magic. Once you think you have made sense of it, it will throw you for another loop.

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Год назад +6

      ​@@SamServ-ht4re this is a great quote I'ma use "this is a great quote I'ma use human nature is like a bag"

    • @erikdegby4652
      @erikdegby4652 Год назад +7

      It's really No such thing as Human nature, everything is learned behavior.

    • @yellowquantum4240
      @yellowquantum4240 Год назад +5

      @@erikdegby4652 betrayal, hate, abandonment human nature.
      Love , and love again no matter what ...human.

  • @AndrewShingange
    @AndrewShingange 7 месяцев назад +33

    This man's handle on the English language is intimidating. He speaks so effortlessly, it's aaaaaaaMAZING

    • @eman85mph
      @eman85mph 3 месяца назад

      Easier to listen to and grasp than even Alan Watts 👂 ❤

  • @yatingour2595
    @yatingour2595 2 года назад +41

    Had really wanted a lecture on Machiavelli for so long. Thank you for this!

  • @stevemartinez1360
    @stevemartinez1360 2 года назад +8

    If this was anyone else, the quality would be an issue. Sugrue… grabbing my popcorn.

  • @MurrayDsGuitarandBass
    @MurrayDsGuitarandBass 2 года назад +52

    I’ve been waiting for this one! These lectures are always appreciated

  • @mercedes932
    @mercedes932 2 года назад +13

    Ahh the famous lecture - Sugrue ad-libbed it on the spot when the prof who was supposed to present suffered from stage fright.

  • @bingolittle8725
    @bingolittle8725 2 года назад +2

    I've been looking forward to this. Thanks Dr Sugrue.

  • @crypticTV
    @crypticTV Год назад +145

    8:50 worked for medeci family
    1:40 Attainment of political power
    4:20 Justice is from coercion.
    6:24 Donald Trump - Art of the Deal
    7:00 Religious morality
    7:50 Joseph Stalin's favourite book
    9:30
    10:20 Medici prince flattery
    11:10 Love is nice but fear is predictable
    13:20 Wolf
    17:30 The Lion and the fox
    18:50 Military head over town
    29:00 Freud
    33:00 Rulers and people like sheep herders and sheep
    33:30 Odysseus
    35:30 Plato's cave
    36:45 Those who have not sinned cast first stone

  • @dunkman393
    @dunkman393 Год назад +14

    Thank you so much for these videos Professor. You enrich our lives.

  • @sazi2451
    @sazi2451 Год назад +8

    This lecturer is so bright and so thorough. 😮

  • @adilchaudhry3272
    @adilchaudhry3272 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for your work and contributions

  • @raymondsamo9808
    @raymondsamo9808 2 года назад +76

    When you thought there were no more lectures

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Год назад

      🤔............ haha! (telling myself my own inside jokes again that I normally do on YT that I don't always explain I'm doing like here that may not have anything to do with u haha).

  • @hamslammula6182
    @hamslammula6182 2 года назад +14

    Just from the title and thumbnail alone I can already tell that this is going to be the lecture of all lectures

  • @Growmetheus
    @Growmetheus Год назад +3

    I have learned so much from several of his talks, but this one is the one that just makes me giggle whenever I think of it. Evil genius.

  • @ryza2859
    @ryza2859 2 года назад +4

    I love these lectures, thank you

  • @cathairpatrick6341
    @cathairpatrick6341 Год назад +25

    This fella doesn't get Italy in the middle ages. Machiavelli cast a cold, detached eye on human nature. Everything he describes informs out reality today. Machiavelli isn't evil, he's unapologetically analytical and honest.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j Год назад +2

      Yes, an honest work such as The Prince must be countered with relevant arguments on basis of power and realism, not run-of-the-mill moralism

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 месяцев назад +2

      Yes. He speaks like politicians used to be good when they had their religion to dictate morals but he fails to acknowledge all of the horrible atrocities committed in the name of religion.

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 месяцев назад

      I still admire his view point though. It was a very interesting lecture.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j 11 месяцев назад +1

      It is fair if you want to criticize Machiavelli on a moral basis for his lack of moral considerations, but since the Prince is ultimately about realistically maintaining power you must extend your analysis further than that

  • @jasonavant7470
    @jasonavant7470 Год назад +10

    The occasional sound of thunder in the background adds to the atmosphere of such a topic. As a somewhat bored office worker chained to my desk, these lectures are wonderful.

  • @neo1559
    @neo1559 2 года назад +4

    I love these lectures!

  • @kirandeepkaur8082
    @kirandeepkaur8082 Месяц назад

    RIP DR.
    Torn by this news . Thank you for your beautiful contributions . May you rest in paradise.

  • @clovers-zi5fe
    @clovers-zi5fe 2 года назад +6

    I've been salivating waiting for this lecture.

  • @zoomx4760
    @zoomx4760 2 года назад +4

    Just brilliant, thank you.

  • @frankbongio
    @frankbongio 2 года назад +5

    Dr. Sugrue is spoiling us

  • @othmanehdidou5640
    @othmanehdidou5640 6 месяцев назад +5

    كمية كبيرة من المعلومات حصلت عليها بعد إنتهائي من مشاهدة هذه المحاضرة شكرا أستاذ 👏👏

  • @guyvanburen
    @guyvanburen 2 года назад +4

    thank you for uploading this

  • @EliteBuildingCompany
    @EliteBuildingCompany 2 года назад +7

    Excellent thinker, telling it how it is not how it ought to be. Fantastic lecture, cheers.

  • @kevconn441
    @kevconn441 Год назад +21

    I loved reading The Prince at university. Much better than anything else on the reading list.

  • @Ionic457
    @Ionic457 Год назад +53

    Ugh. These lectures are changing my life. Can’t thank you enough for sharing your knowledge with the world.

  • @bosshog5335
    @bosshog5335 2 года назад +3

    i've been waiting for this!!!!!!!! I'm so excited!!!

  • @KenshoBeats
    @KenshoBeats 2 года назад +10

    Another new (old) one! Saved in my playlist. On Saturday morning I will take a coffee and sit in the garden to listen to Sugrue, looking forward, thank you!

  • @yourchildhooddog
    @yourchildhooddog 7 месяцев назад +6

    Michael, if you’re reading this I just want you to know that your presentation here and this video have impacted me so much and helped me grow out of a lot of bad habits that were instilled in me when I was young . You’ve been a great role model in my adult life and I think about your words, your invaluable insights and your lectures almost every day ❤ Thank you again

  • @lbits
    @lbits Год назад

    Thank you for sharing. This was so digestible.

  • @HardWhiteChocalate
    @HardWhiteChocalate Год назад +2

    incredible lecture, thank you for upload

  • @cheri238
    @cheri238 Год назад +9

    Thank you, sir. always

  • @skyfathersound
    @skyfathersound 2 года назад +5

    When those violins hit you better be ready to kneel. Sugrue on Machiavelli! This one is going to be glorious

  • @maxrubio4246
    @maxrubio4246 2 года назад +2

    Thank you Dr Sugrue

  • @wafaanoureddine2542
    @wafaanoureddine2542 2 года назад +1

    Unbelievably great thanks 🙏

  • @AntiVegan
    @AntiVegan Год назад +4

    What a great speaker 🙏

  • @innatecharisma
    @innatecharisma 2 года назад +3

    More gems and knowledge. Thank you sir.

  • @CatMoonErickson
    @CatMoonErickson 5 месяцев назад

    FANTASTIC Lecture!

  • @grantshearer5615
    @grantshearer5615 Год назад +309

    I owe Machiavelli alot. I read the Prince when I was 19 and it woke me up to all the political corruption and manipulation of our modern world. It changed me from a leninist socialist to a free thinking human being

    • @adriansamsonhiluf7653
      @adriansamsonhiluf7653 Год назад +34

      Just leave it at ''political corruption and manipulation.'' There nothing old or modern about it. watch enough geopolitical documentaries enough and the patterns emerge. its 3:13 am over here and i cant help but wonder what Machiavelli was doing 500yrs ago on this day.

    • @khalilfuller4939
      @khalilfuller4939 Год назад +3

      Haha, I believe I was 20 when my eyes awaken as well 🤞🏽 (how does it feel to join the grey side)

    • @mr.mintman7545
      @mr.mintman7545 Год назад +1

      Capitalist corruption and manipulation lol... socialist parties have no power in the west

    • @vaughncollins1386
      @vaughncollins1386 Год назад +16

      I’m 20 and just read it! Yes I totally agree, idealism unfortunately can be easily corrupted by pragmatic and utilitarian people, after reading it I realized no ideology is immune from Machiavellian types. Unfortunately corruption will be a perpetual political problem and the importance doesn’t lie on a political spectrum but in taming corruption.

    • @grantshearer5615
      @grantshearer5615 Год назад +4

      @@vaughncollins1386 another tip is that the Bible holds the true religion. While there is plenty of evidence, the 1260 year reign of the popes is one of the biggest pieces imo.

  • @jmhaugen4757
    @jmhaugen4757 2 года назад +210

    I normally enjoy Dr. Sugrue's lectures, but this one was clearly a surface-level examination of Machiavelli. While "The Prince" is everything Sugrue said it is, the author was anything BUT a "prince" as he depicted it. Machiavelli wrote poetry and screenplays. The height of his political career was a foreign emissary-type post that let Machiavelli travel across Italy and Europe. He also didn't retire; he was exiled after being tortured by the faction that ousted the Medici for a time. And most damning to the lecture's assertion is the fact that Machiavelli was a great fan of the republican form of government. Even in "The Prince", Machiavelli says that tyranny is only a stepping stone to a better system.
    And nowhere in "The Prince" does Machiavelli assert that EVERYONE should act like a tyrant.

    • @OmnomnomPancake
      @OmnomnomPancake 2 года назад +16

      Exile is forced retirement, no?

    • @Nikkola.369
      @Nikkola.369 2 года назад +32

      From what I've learned the book wasn't even popular until after Machiavelli's death. Dr. Sugrue's analysis on this book does seem 101 for people who don't know anything about the book, nonetheless he's an excellent speaker!!

    • @opiliones4202
      @opiliones4202 2 года назад +1

      @@OmnomnomPancake machiavelli continued to write and create after his exile tho

    • @dwl3006
      @dwl3006 2 года назад +6

      I am pretty sure that Machiavelli was tortured by the Medicis not the Florentines.

    • @evgeniptolemy5570
      @evgeniptolemy5570 2 года назад +45

      The surface level analysis of this subject is due to the fact the scheduled speaker had an episode of some sort and Dr. Sugrue filled in last minute. Still enjoyable.

  • @user-qk8tm5xx4d
    @user-qk8tm5xx4d Год назад +1

    Discovered Dr Michael Sugrue's content way too late.
    Incredible.

  • @ivanpb1983
    @ivanpb1983 2 года назад +1

    This was so good, that I had to rewinded to watch it again.

  • @ichbindoofhihi1
    @ichbindoofhihi1 2 года назад +6

    oh my god I was searching for lectures from Dr Sugrue about Machiavelli, this is great!

  • @adriansamsonhiluf7653
    @adriansamsonhiluf7653 Год назад +8

    "Machiavelli was not really Machiavellian." Is the recurring pattern. He shortly wrote The prince after being released from where he underwent torture. That might explain his state of mind when he wrote that book. Its not that he was trying to suck up to the Medici while they were trying to avoid being seen as taking his advice but that the Florence court had already been practicing principles found in his book, whether conciously or unconsciously. Back then City states would create feeble alliances while at the same time plan on how to betray you six ways to Sunday. I see how his kind gesture to the Medici might have been seen as suspicious right after they came back to power.

  • @rhrh9128
    @rhrh9128 7 месяцев назад +1

    He was FABULOUS. Wonderful thinker and speaker. Broad mind. Great listening.Time flew.

    • @wicomms
      @wicomms 6 месяцев назад

      Was? IS!

  • @jDaniel5721
    @jDaniel5721 18 дней назад +1

    That was an amazing lecture 👏

  • @LasArmas_
    @LasArmas_ 2 года назад +4

    Thank you & Happy MayDay

  • @sagarpatel6841
    @sagarpatel6841 2 года назад +34

    Thank you , seriously he teaches so well.

    • @tubthump
      @tubthump 11 месяцев назад

      He walks around too much

  • @thedjruiner
    @thedjruiner 20 дней назад

    I would have loved school if there was a teacher lke this. Captivating start to finish.

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean5280 2 года назад +2

    Thanks very much for this.

  • @ok-kk3ic
    @ok-kk3ic 2 года назад +4

    Ive been waiting for this one

  • @zigo9284
    @zigo9284 Год назад +1459

    Great lecture about 2Pac, thanks❤️

    • @tshepomosia7129
      @tshepomosia7129 Год назад +29

      Lol

    • @FishyBlobbing
      @FishyBlobbing Год назад

      makaveli up this bitch ;D

    • @frankiegunnz8066
      @frankiegunnz8066 Год назад +79

      No no, 2pac wanted to be him. 😋

    • @MAGHANDI3265
      @MAGHANDI3265 Год назад +3

      😂

    • @thato4639
      @thato4639 Год назад +17

      ​@@frankiegunnz8066 he just used his story( about faking death) as a concept creatively also with jesus, clever

  • @mahendarsoni2079
    @mahendarsoni2079 3 месяца назад +1

    Hands down the best form of articulation i have ever seen. Me who struggles to watch a 10min youtube video just watched this 40min video with full attention.
    Loved the way you just explained everything ❤

  • @thomasjeffersonscott
    @thomasjeffersonscott 6 месяцев назад

    Dope lecture, thanks for uploading!

  • @Ryan-fv5ve
    @Ryan-fv5ve Год назад +7

    What a video, even more impressive when you learn that this was improvised. It takes a deep understanding to be able to coherently and informatively speak on a topic for near an hour.

  • @andrewbowen2837
    @andrewbowen2837 2 года назад +55

    One of the more important points made in the book that was not commented on in the video lecture is the control of fortune. Fortune, meaning chance, is something known since the ancients as limiting on what the good citizen and the good regime are. By chance, you are either born in a time where you can be both a good citizen and a good person (by way of being born into the good regime), or not. For Machiavelli, he notes that by chance, he was not born into an opportunity where he could ascend to political power, nor would his ideas take root. Think of the messenger from Nietzsche's thought, who came preaching into the town square, only to be laughed at and realize that he had been sent by fortune too early. So Machiavelli instead proposes that fortune, as impactful as it is in politics, should be limited and controlled by man, beaten into submission. This way, every regime would be the "good" regime. This very notion was put into practice by Modernism, where the goal of establishing a utopia, a heaven on earth, and removing chance from the equation by lowering the basis of the regime away from metaphysics and the good, something high, became the project.
    For this reason, I would disagree ever so slightly with Dr. Sugrue about Machiavelli's view of nature. Regarding human nature, there is no disagreement; but nature writ large, Machiavelli wanted to control it. Thus, we have the Enlightenment, and science becomes the ultimate tool of controlling nature, and politics the satisfaction of the most basic of human desires

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 года назад +6

      I would say Machiavelli is domain-specific. He wasn’t a philosopher of human nature writ large, but rather human behavior in the political, existential realm.

    • @andrewbowen2837
      @andrewbowen2837 2 года назад +2

      @@camorinbatchelder6514 I see what you mean, but back then, I don't think the two were differentiated. Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau all used human nature as their baseline to make political assessments

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 года назад +3

      @@andrewbowen2837 I haven’t read “Leviathan”, the “Treaties”, etc. that closely, so I can’t comment on them. Machiavelli wasn’t as philosophical as Sugrue makes him out to be. He simply looked at political behavior as it was, not how it should be.

    • @andrewbowen2837
      @andrewbowen2837 2 года назад +2

      @@camorinbatchelder6514 Dr. Sugrue doesn't really get into the details of the book unfortunately. He pretty much claims that it is horrible and would have dire consequences if implemented. That being said, I think there is a good bit of both "is" and "ought" in politics being described. Machiavelli notes that Italy is in a bad place, and he thinks the most successful leader should model themselves after the actions of Cesare Borgia, and not like some of those who caved in to the church and moral sentiments. At the least he thought that Italy was in need of what he viewed to be a clever and unrelenting leader, with good examples from history (thus in some regard detailing how politics are/were), and he didn't think the younger Lorenzo Medici was capable

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 года назад +1

      @@andrewbowen2837 Machiavelli certainly had a vision, I agree.

  • @Levelupliv
    @Levelupliv Год назад

    Awed by Dr surgrue's brilliance.

  • @jians.2464
    @jians.2464 8 месяцев назад +1

    these retro lectures are better than anything on the internet today

  • @chadklasens4927
    @chadklasens4927 Год назад +10

    Half way into this, and wow! What an insightful and elucidating lecture so far. Bravo.

  • @Aeon490
    @Aeon490 2 года назад +3

    I think I heard in one of the Q&A's that this lecture was winged last minute. Pretty good for that.

  • @demonicark2687
    @demonicark2687 10 месяцев назад +2

    Absolutely precise and easy to understand!
    This lecture has given much more wider perspective to my study.
    Thanks for the wonderful lecture🎉♥️

  • @interesting2491
    @interesting2491 Год назад

    Great speaker - such an easy listen 👍

  • @templephantom6613
    @templephantom6613 2 года назад +4

    Amazing lectures!

  • @retribution999
    @retribution999 Год назад +15

    I've read much of Machiavellis works. I didn't find the same man as you describe here. I found great wisdom and pragmatism, but not evil.

    • @tayk-47usa41
      @tayk-47usa41 Год назад +3

      yeah having read the prince about a year ago i had to wonder if i’ve even read the book or if he read another one lol

    • @Khosann1
      @Khosann1 8 месяцев назад +1

      This!

  • @AlexIsUber
    @AlexIsUber 3 месяца назад +2

    RIP Legendary lecturer

  • @gamer-cn5ho
    @gamer-cn5ho Год назад +1

    Wow this was simple yet amazing

  • @patrickholt2270
    @patrickholt2270 2 года назад +6

    I would argue that The Prince was written as a special case, like Marx's baseline assumptions for each of his volumes of Capital, about how the struggle for political power applies for and to monarchy, and pursuers of absolute power. It's advice for dictators and would-be dictators. That isn't necessarily what Macchiavelli actually believed in or wanted to see being done. He was trying to get a job, advertising his gifts as a political strategist to the dictators in the Rennaissance Italy, after he had lost the job he had trained for and believed in, as a government minister in his home Republic, to which he remained loyal. He had steeled himself to writing this job application in the form of a treatise on political science by considering that a tyrant who used his advice well, might be able to unify Italy and bring about peace and independence for its peoples who were subject not only to endemic internecine warfare and extortion by mercenaries, but invasion and interference at will by the kingdoms of France and the Hapsburg rulers of Spain and the Holy Roman Empire. His job application failed because in characterising the ruthless cunning of the ultimate Virile tyrant, he had inadvertantly and completely insulted the real men he was trying to appeal to, who didn't like to think of themselves as apt to evil nor wanted to be thought of as apt to evil whenever necessity prompted.
    His philosophical category of Virtus was cribbed from the ancients, based on a systematic review of ancient history, and while it wasn't so clearly stated by the writers of ancient Greece and Rome, it is clearly their cosmology, not the Biblical cosmology, which it belongs to. The Virtus of the Vir, the strong man, seduces and bends the will of _the gods_ to support his interests. It is the boldness which the gods favour, that quote so often paraphrased down to Goethe's "be bold and _mighty forces_ will come to your aid". Goethe was wishing to hide the polytheistic origin of the claim in his pretensions to being a modern, secular thinker. Those before him needed to hide that polytheism from their fellow Christians. But Macchiavelli as a Catholic Humanist like Erasmus was so used to referring to those pagan sources that he lets the cat out of the bag. Virtus is a pre-Christian concept. He's detailing a Classical heresy, which he thinks has political relevance, but again isn't necessarily what he believes in as a dutiful Catholic of his times.

    • @Night.League
      @Night.League Год назад

      All roman empire church cathlocism is fake, only protestant is real christianity as jesus was protesting the roman empire slavery when they sentenced him to death for speaking against the emperor

  • @1x0x
    @1x0x Год назад +4

    has nothing to do with being good or bad, he simply speaks the truth of gaining power

  • @tigerstriker
    @tigerstriker Год назад

    Brilliant lecture..thank you

  • @DarrellJamal
    @DarrellJamal Год назад

    We love you Mr. Sugrue.

  • @raymondcoronarubalcabaiii5975
    @raymondcoronarubalcabaiii5975 11 месяцев назад +6

    I'm very proud of you. Hopefully that means something. 😘

  • @forty2888
    @forty2888 Год назад +3

    This is Human Art! Thank you for teaching Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @eyobzewdie9305
    @eyobzewdie9305 Год назад

    Incredible mind. Pls keep Up the good job.

  • @OneOneThree-wl7ml
    @OneOneThree-wl7ml 10 месяцев назад

    Beautifully said

  • @literature1621
    @literature1621 2 года назад +33

    He wins us all over. wish someone could find the lectures on Strauss and Moliere (1998 and 1993, respectively) by this wonderful man! ---and upload the two

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Год назад

      🤔

    • @finnmacdiarmid3250
      @finnmacdiarmid3250 Год назад +1

      I hope someone named Sugrue reads this. We demand the entire archive!!!!

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Год назад +2

      @@finnmacdiarmid3250 right we need total! coverage.

  • @ANON1NE
    @ANON1NE 2 года назад +103

    I disagree with sugrue’s view on machiavelli here. The prince does not appear to promote iniquity. It simply addresses the fact that it is not always possible to do what is good as doing so can lead to your (and your states) downfall. Machiavelli doesn’t choose fear over love. He choses both. However he acknowledges that in a conflict of interest between the two then fear is a more reliable option. That doesn’t make it right or more preferable. All of these lessons in the prince are to be employed to increase the quality of life of the populous. Machiavelli was writing in a time when weak leadership resulted in Italy’s integrity, faith and culture being up for sale to the highest bidder. Italy had become somewhat of a concubine due to hedonisitic men in power. the prince outlines the way to overthrow these men at their own game. However this is just my opinion so perhaps i am a fool.

    • @mihaidinul
      @mihaidinul Год назад +14

      You are many things I’m sure, but a fool is not one of them

    • @ei7565
      @ei7565 Год назад +9

      I think there is a deeper idea here to Sugrue. The big takeaway, Machiavelli is deriving actions, not from any kind of metaphysical direction (religion, spirituality) and was coomon for the day, rather the best action is the one that yields the biggest advance of power in the here and now. Yes, it is not always possible to do what is good, if that "good" does not advance your standing as much as fear could. Notice the way Machiavelli rationalizes decisions, and that is what Sugrue is getting at here. This is the shift away from actions being determined from metaphysical codes and instead toward systems of men/science.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j Год назад +20

      The premise of The Prince is quite simply how to keep power when in power, and reading it in those terms will prove more fruitful than to read it as a system of ethics or a series of arbitrary value judgements. It’s a work of realism (how power actually operates) and not moralism (how power ought to operate)

    • @ANON1NE
      @ANON1NE Год назад

      @@user-hu3iy9gz5j I would argue that it is about acquiring and overthrowing power in an already corrupt system, but not keeping power. As it holds the abdication of categorical imperatives (morals and virtue) when necessary at its core. Doing so can lead to short term gains but weaken the state as a whole. I.e. the cloak and dagger of an ally may enable you to retain power but sets a precedent that betrayal is acceptable. Thus the whole system and state becomes machiavellian as those who are not are killed/ removed from positions of power. Thus if individuals cannot trust one another then cooperation is no longer possible and the state divides and crumbles. Division to pestilence to war to famine to death. The prince outlines how to play the game so that you can change the game. Cut throats on the way up then destroy rebuild and replace the existing system when ontop. Of course this will lead to sacrifice but thats what a sonum bonum is most Of the time. Again just my opinion.

    • @Pdrock2001
      @Pdrock2001 7 месяцев назад +2

      A remarkable analysis 👏 of Machaivelli . For all the evil characteristics associated with him , one cannot deny the sheer brilliance with which he explained the connection between your Shadow and the collective political shadow coexisting together in the grander scheme of power and politics . Machiavelli is a necessary evil one which needs to be assessed and learned if one wants to escape tyranny or rise above it .

  • @user-dk1no6sm4n
    @user-dk1no6sm4n Год назад

    thanks for uploading! very interesting subject

  • @SolidRollin
    @SolidRollin 2 года назад +2

    Thank you.

  • @TopShelfTheology
    @TopShelfTheology 8 месяцев назад +3

    If you're interested in Machiavelli, you need to read James Burnham's "The Machiavellians." Very interesting, more recent historical significance. Burnham spends the first half of the book on a history lesson of the time of Machiavelli here, Sugrue mentions a lot of it in passing, but it's more significant than he lets on. The Holy Roman Empire first and foremost, among other rivals like France and the Ottoman Empire, was growing very powerful. And while these rivals were organizing, Italy's city states were indeed frail and floundering, mostly making metaphysical and classical arguments for why the aristocracy should rule, and flattering each other, and going to wars over petty things, and their people generally growing to resent their aristocracy. The Prince was really written to these people to say, quit fucking around, one of you has to rise up and be serious, or else the we'll all be speaking German. Here's the brass tacks practical manual for collecting power, and defending Italy from her neighbors.
    The second half of Burnham's book explains that that is an accurate and useful manual in a world of monarchist governments. In the late 1800s, as democracies had become popular, and the Industrial Revolution was causing lots of upheaval in the way societies looked at the nature of work, labor, relations to capital and corporations, relations to government, and toying with the ideas of Marxism, there were four Italian political philosophers, who all tried to take Machiavelli's spirit, and apply it to democratic environments. They asked, what is necessary to gather power in a democratic environment? Not, how do you game your royal rivals, but, how do your game your populace writ large and convince them to vote for you? How do you maintain long term democratic power? These were the people who laid the groundwork for Mussolini to pick up and form fascism. They were read by the early Soviets to establish Communism in Russia. In the 1940s, Burnham was writing to an American audience to understand the roots of totalitarianism, and how it was achieved through democracy, specifically by the use of mass media messaging, control of information, and corruption of journalism.
    Burnham was sounding the alarm on fake news in the 1940s and his book is still very relevant today.

  • @alloftheabove143
    @alloftheabove143 Год назад +14

    in my youth i was interested in science
    2 decades later im exploring philosophy

  • @natarajrangayana
    @natarajrangayana Год назад +1

    Great !
    Like it so much
    Full wisdom and realistic content!

  • @alilutfi2588
    @alilutfi2588 2 года назад +2

    Thank you !

  • @TroyJamesMonger
    @TroyJamesMonger 2 года назад +3

    Excellent, thank you Dr. Sugrue for sharing this dissection of the Machiavellian world view :]