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For jesus historicists, its often common to cite the references to Jesus in Josephus. Josephus is a very famous Jewish historian who actually lived in the first century (from 37-100 ce). Mythicists have been asking for contemporary accounts of a historical Jesus and Josephus seems to be a popular place to look (Josephus actually wasnt a contemporary, but I guess they figure its close enough). The jesus that most people talk about, of course is the one that was born around the year zero and died around the year 33. Josephus does mention Jesus, or actually multiple Jesus', but none of his authentic writing references the Jesus that all christians know and love. So today, we will be discussing Josephus on Jesus.
Sources:
On the historicity of Jesus - Richard Carrier
Nailed - David Fitzgerald
A Narrative Anomoly in Josephus: Jewish Antiquities - Paul J Hopper
The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus - Gary J. Goldberg
Josephus on John the Baptist and other Jewish Prophets of Deliverance - Craig A. Evans
Note: I do say a few things wrong in here. Like "complied" as "compiled". Hopefully you can forgive that
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It seems a lot of people commenting are confused as to the purpose of this video. The purpose of this video is NOT to prove Jesus didn't exist. The purpose was to show that if you want to prove the existence of a historical Jesus, you shouldn't use Josephus, because his testimonium is likely a forgery and the James reference is an interpolation. In the video, I show the reasons I am convinced it's not authentic. You can feel free to disagree with the conclusions I come to. In fact, I welcome that. But don't get caught up in a strawman, claiming this video is used to show Jesus didn't exist. Because that's not what the video is about.
Milwaukee Atheists how bout we use the Jews sick, perverted,satanic talmud..the talmud blasphems the Lord Jesus Christ..it never ssys he never existed it just states Satans version of Jesus..the Jews hate Jesus and curse his name but never denies his existence..
I think you're confused they are obviously talking about the same Jesus.
Oh yeah, it's all a fake!!! Our ancestors were originally criminals brought to this penal planet, planet earth!
Milwaukee Atheists your scholarship is crap and your theory is without any merit, there are two statements made by Josephus one is in question, with scholarship tending to believe it an interpolation the other is not. You can have an opinion but you act as if Josephus statements are in question in the academic community when in fact it's not and this question has been settled in the academic community. Your a fraud.
Milwaukee Atheists Josephus was writing to Gentiles right? And if you consider the fact that Paul sailed by Africa three times and never stopped the Holy Spirit forbid the disciples to preach the word in Asia in the book of Acts it would seem more probable that Josephus was writing to a specific crowd..
Multiple Jesuses are actually called Jesi.
A group of Owls is called a Parliament
A group of Crows is called a Murder
and a group of Prophets is called a Looney Bin
A.K.A Jedi...
Praise Jesse... Hallepenyo
Josephus falvius said that Jesus was the Christ. But Josephus also says vespasian Flavius is the messiah in the book wars of the Jews. So is Jesus the Messiah? Suetonius & tacitus says the same thing
That would imply meth usage of first century jews
I am a Christian, but I am always seeking the truth. I appreciate the work you did on this video. I understand where you are coming from on this, and I want to say thanks. I have referenced Josephus work in the past as proof for Christ's existence (for those who have wanted a source of his existence outside the Bible). Honestly, if I were debating you, I would have painted myself into a corner had I referenced Josephus. You have made me a little wiser. This is something I need to delve into (Josephus). Although you haven't changed my opinion in Jesus' existence, you have made me realize that Josephus, based on his writing style, may not be the one who actually penned the references toward Jesus. Though you are an atheist, I will be praying for you.
It seems you have been the only Christian in the comments of this video to get the point I was making. Thank you for your comment
Praying is a useless thing to do. Why don't you pray for your imaginary god to show up?
Christianity had its Time of Rage
This is for those who are in doubt of the cruel massacre of the Catholic Church.
It is in much of the history that you can find on line. And it is all in the encyclopedia of universal knowledge; it has three volumes or books, the volume it is in is missing in the Washington D C library. The Catholic and Protestants did not want the information known, evidently.
C B Pershall, My Male parent was taking care of the Electric dynamos on the little Salmon River dam. He was furnished a house to live in and in the attic of the house he ran across this Encyclopedia of Universal Knowledge. He read all about how that during the time of the Catholic massacring those who would not come under their religion, those who was faithful to Jesus’ teaching went under cover, in secret correspondence. Some moved to new arias. It even named the places they fled to.
C B Pershall did not take the encyclopedia with him as he considered it would be stealing. It was not his and he did not know where to find the owner.
Years later when I was ten to twelve years old C B Pershall began to search for the Encyclopedia. He spent much money in his search.
Then, when C B Pershall and I were working in the fields of strawberries, we saw a man climbing over the fence. The man was a Britannica Encyclopedia sales man.
I got a shock of my life when I heard my male parent tell the man that he would buy two sets of Encyclopedias if he could find the information that he wanted.
My male parent gives the man all the information that he had found in the Encyclopedia years before.
The man said that it would not be a problem. He said it would be all in the library in Washington D C.
A month later the man came back in the evening. He said all the volumes were there except the volume that was needed for the information we wanted.
The Catholic and her protestant little children truly must not want that information public.
My male parent still search in many book stores for the Encyclopedia with no success.
I did not read about this in a book, or dream it. It was the life I lived.
The same is with George and his daughter’s gift of filling teeth with gold. It was experience that I lived I did not read it from a book.
I do realize that it is very difficult to understand our Father the Great Creator’s existence and realm of truth without proof and experience it in this life.
George one of my many dear brothers’ and his daughter had the Gift of miraculously filling teeth with gold. His daughter would invite some to watch the gold pour into the tooth. And five of the fillings that George witnessed had diamond in-beds.
If the scientists of today had witnessed these things in life perhaps they would understand True Science much better.
In may seem strange that there were many hundreds of teeth miraculously filled, in their time. Many more than the miracles that it tells about in the book that Christianity worships.
Perhaps the reason is quite simple; Rome was a powerful dominion that promoted their Idolatry Religion the worship of gods, Christianity.
Just words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept others opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
Until Next time; Sweet Dreams: truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves.
Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible.
Just whispers of the Ghost of Reality
Look for evidence of any census where people had to go to the city of their ancestors.
Personally I think that the story is evidence that there was a real person.
A real person born in the wrong city, why else make up the census story?
You can't find the truth staying wrong.
True Reality of Our Time in History
First: The honest do not claim authority. We just present our honest thoughts and compassionate spirit.
We are living in a day that conglomerates are the in thing conglomerate are very popular.
We just throw everything into one pot. It is all races, all religion, all cultures and all dominions to be dumped into one pot to make a great healthy soup, supposedly.
There is to be no individualism.
We are to be just carbon copies; of what?
However, this conglomerate it is not success for humanity’s peaceful coexistence.
We are looking into the face and reality of the New World Order.
This is where the top-dog of the Catholic Church stands today; he is willing to accept all religions into the conglomerate, even the Muslims and Atheists.
Accepting them all into this conglomerate is the tactics of taking full control of all of them.
This happened once with all religions back in the time of the Roman Empire.
Consentience pretended to be converted to the teaching of Jesus that seemed to be very popular at that time.
Then, he cunningly prepared a great conglomerate soup of religion. It was all of the god worshiping religions, including his own sun god, with a portion of Jesus’ teaching.
It was the Roman Catholic Church known as Christianity.
Constantine also created a book of law to be worship, to make this soup more powerful.
To put the teeth in to this book of laws he put this on the end.
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Hell and purgatory was well laced into the whole thing to put that godly fear in to the subjects of the dominion.
Segregation is proper and the way of justice. It is not by race, but it is by lifestyle or culture. It is truly freedom.
Segregation is how scientist achieves purity.
To be forced to live under a certain culture is not freedom, it is tyranny.
Being White, Green, or Purple does not make you an American.
Those who truly have life achieves it from our Father the Great Creator. It is not achieved from a book and tradition.
Since our Father can miraculously fill a tooth with gold, why would our Father need a manmade book to bring true life to humanity? Our Father the Great Creator’s spiritual realm is very powerful. It is beyond human comprehension.
Honesty is to do with ourselves.
No others are involved.
And our honesty is the key to wisdom.
Just words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept others opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
Until Next time; Sweet Dreams: truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves.
Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible.
Just whispers of the Ghost of Reality
What Christian apologists don't tell you about the Josephus reference:
1. The majority of biblical scholars today say this is an obvious forgery
2. The early Church Fathers quoted extensively from Josephus in written defenses of Christianity, and NEVER quote this passage for hundreds of years from 100-300 CE although it would be the first thing they would've quoted had it existed.
3. The quote first appears in the Fourth Century from Eusebius, a Christian bishop who curated the Library of Caesarea, and who is implicated in forging numerous documents in defense of Christianity and lying to defend the Church.
4. "all the manuscripts we have of Josephus all derive from the single manuscript used by Eusebius around 300 A.D. at the Library of Caesarea, a library he curated."
www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11209
5. The passsage interrupts the text. If you take it out, the text flows together smoothly. Simply read it for yourself.
The devils believe in god
Yet humans fail to come to the same conclusion
Amazing
Those that don't believe in gods don't believe in devils either..
What on Earth are you actually attempting to say here?
Regarding the Testimonium, absolutely correct. Josephus wouldn't write "won them over", he would say "because of him they embraced the jewish religion". He would also have called him an Innovator, as he did to everyone teaching novel interpretations of the Law. Also, Josephus wouldn't say "doer of wonderful deeds" because he didn't quite believe in supernatural things at face value, he reported them as fables but would make clear that many people testified to it. It also uses christian language (those that loved Jesus did not forsake him) that reflects on church history and apostolic fidelity.
Shout out to my fellow Milwaukee people. I live there for 47 years and just moved up north. I just found your channel. Like...
Milwaukee and more north where
I'm from Oak Creek, but close enough.
What an excellent and detailed theological explanation! Being at odds with my so called friends and acquaintances, I can only express the enjoyment of learning from this channel. Like the saying from Mark Twain states: A man who renounces his reasoning is like giving medicine to the dead.
There is one thing Josephus' writings does confirm. "The Life of Brian" is far more accurate then many of its viewers imagine. There were a lot of would-be prophets and their followers running around ancient Judea back in the day.
And there were more than one Jewish liberation movements. Certainly the equivalents of the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea occupied parts of Jerusalem and fought each other as well as the Romans. Extrapolating to Jesus, we find that Christians call him "an offshoot (Netzer) of David the Prince (Nasi) so that, perhaps, Nazarenes/Nazoreans were the ancient equivalent of the Branch Davidians but operated more like a Communist cell (see what the Sanhedrin's attorney said of Paul in Acts 24 and you'll get the idea).
Lawyer: "He is a troublemaker, one who stirs up Israel, and a ringleader of the sect of the Branch Davidians!"
Paul: "I am NOT a leader of the Branch Davidian People's Front of Judea, *but!..."*
Great work. How do you feel about the use of "brother" to mean "follower" rather than "biological brother"? English isn't the only language to use "bro" or equivalent to mean friend. It's also used in modern Hebrew (akh אח), though this might be from foreign influences, just as Hebrew uses the same word for friend (khaver חבר) to mean friend, boyfriend, and also member (of parliament or a club)... I'm a translator and I always wonder whether we're imposing our own cultural references onto ancient translations.
Martin I know of German military songs which use " Bruder" as a substitute for comrade.
MartinSwitzer No if you read it close enough you find that it was written to certain people in and among the Corinthians and the Romans .
Brother of Jesus was a term used by Paul explicitly, and he explains this, to refer to followers of Jesus because he considered them all "brothers in the eyes of the lord, but with jesus as the first among them" or somesuch nonsense. The point being, it was typical early christian talk.
It would be interesting to speak to someone who knows Greek, Hebrew and English and have them break down the works of Josephus and the New Testament.
Check out Richard Carrier and Bart Ehrman.
I'm very suspicious of any information being given out from someone that is attempting to school Christians but refers to themselves an atheist. Does anyone else also think that an atheist just might be coming from a hugely bias perspective?
There is nothing wrong with being suspicious about it. That is what leads to honest skepticism. But honest skepticism requires that you check (and not just from Christian sources) the information given. Having done my own research on Josephus, I found nothing wrong in this, and not even a Christian that disputes the actual data. They will dispute conclusions such as the assumption that the Jesus referred to as the brother of James was the son of Damneus, and at least one apologist I have read relies on the use of the Christ reference to do so. But that seems very weak indeed. Josephus was writing this for the Flavians - pagan Romans - and the term would not have meant anything to them. But the idea that the Jesus referenced in the first part, was the Jesus specified in the last part of the story makes perfect sense.
If someone were to write, *_"Thomas, the brother of Patrick did speak to the CEO of a tech start up, and the CEO was moved by his words, and Patrick, son of Joseph Doyle was given a contract as a consultant."_* Would anyone think that the Patrick referred to in the first part was Patrick Stewart? Or Patrick Henry? No. They would automatically know that I was the Patrick in question. If that was NOT the intent, any halfway sane author would write, *_"and a different Patrick, known as an actor, was given a contract."_* Of course that would make little sense, as it would provide no context for why I was even mentioned, or why Patrick Stewart got a contract and not me.
Look up confirmation bias as to why you should not trust Christians teaching Christianity.
And this video is not trying to prove anything, he is dismantling a claim.
Atheists are the most knowledgeable, in fact, about all religions! That's because we study it and learn about all of them. This is a fact backed up by tests given to people, by the way: www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/09/28/130191248/atheists-and-agnostics-know-more-about-bible-than-religious
But did Josephus mention Brian?
Yes, he kept reiterating that he was "a very naughty boy". In Greek obviously.
Nicely done!! :)
"Θα μιλήσω τώρα για τον Μπράιαν από τη Ναζαρέτ, αλλά μόνο εν συντομία, γιατί είναι ένα πολύ άτακτο αγόρι."
NelC Brilliant!
NelC Forgery! Very obvious! Substituting the "b" by "mp" because of lack of a proper letter for the phone "b" in the greek alphabet is a trait of modern Greek, not contemporary practice! You will not frame us with your evil machinations! This passage has clearly been inserted in a time later than the 1970ies.
5:10, The word Christ entered the Galilean vocabulary when the Greeks were Christianized the 4th century, so for Josephus Christ would have been a word as unknown as air force would have been to George Washington.
That doesn't make sense. There were Greek Christians way before 400.
KRST is Khemetian science WORD for HIGHER SELF
The word Christos comes from the Septuagint written c 200 BCE. It was a poor translation of messiah.
Excellent concise and well organized presentation. Thanks a lot for this work.
I think that it is amazing that people post videos about Josephus when they don’t actually read his works in it’s entirety. Major flaws in this video and missing key passages in Josephus works that can actually give credit that Jesus existed. I find that most people actually never read Josephus but do google searches to find the answers they want. The problem with this is it is just like when people google verses from the Bible to get what they want from it. It’s a big book and without context you can get it wrong. Josephus is even more difficult to read than the Bible. So if you don’t actually read it in context you too can get things wrong. Don’t just go off what this guy or anyone on the internet says. Read the book for yourself to come to your own conclusions. You will find that I am right really early on in you reading that most people don’t know what they are talking about and never read it for themselves
PREACH!!! I didn't waste My time on this video, was actually scrolling through the comments to see if I'd see a comment like this and sure enough; it's apparent You read Josephus and was able to deconstruct this guy's narrative. Josephus has been on my spirit lately & Your comment just boosted My interest level greatly.
The reference to the census in the year 45, is that on the Julian calendar? Because that would be almost the imaginary year zero on the Gregorian calendar.
+AronRa no idea. I just know I messed up and thought there was a year zero. Oops lol
Great catches like this raise the quality of the presentation as much, or more than, peer review! Go boys!!
AronRa
Keep up the great work. Loved your series on David Crap...er...Pack!
Gregorian and Julian calendars are only separated by a few days: the Orthodox Church still follows the Julian calendar and their holidays are approximately two weeks after the Western ones. The Russian Revolution dates (February Revolution, October Revolution) are remembered in the Julian calendar and again the difference is around 13 days, so these revolutionary events happened early in March and November of our calendar. When the Gregorian calendar was first adopted in 1582, only 10 days had to be erased. So for long periods there is no difference between both calendars.
Neither in the Julian nor Gregorian systems is there a year zero. You might remember at the turn of the arguments over if 2000 or 2001 was the millennium. Dennis the Short, the monk who numbered the years since the birth of Christ, numbered his first year 1, instead of year 0.
The Flavian generals were sent to put down the successful Maccabean revolt.
With a lot of bloodshed they were successful. Judea was littered with crucifixion.
Josephus saw the Roman legions coming and he fell at the Flavian foot, begging for mercy, which was granted.
Josephus saw three of his friends being crucified.
He begged the Flavians to spare them.
The Romans, being of good humour, told him to pick one.
The Flavians returned to Rome with Josephus in tow.
They were crowned emperor. This marked the beginning of the Flavian dynasty.
The Flavians asked Josephus's advice about what to do about the Jewish question.
Josephus said that they had to create a kinder, gentler Messiah for the Jews to follow.
So they did that.
So there you have it.
"Jesus Christ" was a Roman propaganda invention to defang the Maccabees.
How does that make you feel?
Relieved - thanks.
Do you have any citations for that assertion?
Given that Israel was completely destroyed, and any survivors became slaves would indicate that the culture came to a sudden hault. Therefore, no need for the creation of a “suffering messiah”.
“We wiped everyone out so let’s create a benign religion for them so they are not a threat” explanation rather ludacris.
Saying it was created is one thing, for the reasons you give is quite another.
The better question is, how did a religion of a people, who were wiped of the face of the earth, end up resurfacing more than a millennia later in Europe, and in an ethnicity of people who weren’t even present at the place of origination?
Acts 9 tells the story as a third-person narrative: As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied.
it's good to know that the existence of Jesus has proof outside the 4 gospel of the bible..amazing..this solidifies the reality and existence of our Savior Jesus..thank you.
There is no 'proof' and there isn't even historically credible evidence. There are only hearsay claims by anonymous Christian scribes from hundreds of years after the supposed events, and these scribes were notorious for forgery and fraud. Dr. Hector Avalos, "As with Josephus, so with Tacitus our observations must be tempered by the fact that the earliest manuscript of the Annals comes from the 11th century." www.amestrib.com/article/20130302/Opinion/303029936
When people quote 'Josephus', they are quoting an 11th century manuscript written by Christian scribes. If you claim that this is an accurate portrayal of what Josephus or Tacitus actually wrote, the burden of proof is on you. And you have none. But we can prove that Christian scribes engaged in rampant forgery and fraud. Dr. Bart Ehrman, "At least 11 of the 27 New Testament books are forgeries...Many of the New Testament’s forgeries were manufactured by early Christian leaders trying to settle theological feuds." religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/13/half-of-new-testament-forged-bible-scholar-says/
@@mythbuster1483 ohh is that so..well i was just in awe that there are mention of Jesus life close to the bible description of who Jesus was from other people..we'll if Jesus has perform wonders, in those times a lot will surely know and people like Josephus testify to it and many other figures in history during His time..no wonder Jesus' name reverberate up to this day.
@@bluedose15k27 LOL! Your Jesus stories were produced by proven liars and frauds. Let me know when you have evidence that Jesus was a virgin-born demigod with superpowers who was his own father and impregnated his own mother, and that his rotting corpse magically came back to life after several days.
@@bluedose15k27 Regarding 'Josephus', no honest or informed person cites Josephus as 'evidence' for a historical Jesus, because they know it was fraudulently edited by lying Christian scribes who inserted forgeries into the text. Dr. Michael Martin, professor at Boston University, "Biblical scholars are almost in uniform agreement that this passage is spurious--a Christian interpolation--and, consequently, that it cannot be taken seriously as independent confirmation of the historicity of Jesus." books.google.com/books?isbn=1566390818
Additionally, our earliest manuscript with this forged passage is dated to the *11th century* , 1,000 years after Josephus was alive. And Josephus wasn't even born until 37 CE, and could've had no personal knowledge of Jesus even if we had the original manuscript from the 1st Century. The fact that Christians have to cite an 11th Century manuscript containing proven forgeries and fraud shows their level of desperation. Try learning what source credibility is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method#Core_principles_for_determining_reliability
*FACT* There are no contemporary accounts of a historical Jesus from any source, in or outside the Bible. Period. There are no eyewitness claims...PERIOD. All you have are double-hearsay claims by religious fanatics where your earliest manuscripts date hundreds of years or more after the supposed events, and which are corrupted by forgery and fraud. You don't have a single, historically-credible source for a 'historical Jesus.' PERIOD.
Dr. Paul Hopper, Distinguished Professor at Carnegie Mellon University: "The most likely explanation is that the entire passage is interpolated, presumably by Christians embarrassed at Josephus’s manifest ignorance of the life and death of Jesus." existenciadecristo.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/a-narrative-anomaly-in-josephus.pdf
@@mythbuster1483 you're good at finding josephus. seek and you shall find..historians/scientist must have been so stupid to use BC as reference for modern date if they havent found enough evidence for the historical Jesus. and i am not about to convince you or force you to believe the things that find so stupid to believe because that is expected of you. but i'm thrilled of the day to come that you will confess that Jesus is the Son of the Living God! praying for you man. God bless
Keep in mind,in those days Jesus was a common name .This was the height of the Jewish revolt period so, their were many messiah s speaking about the destruction of the temple.
This is what the True Messiah spoke on, and so did the True Prophets! They warned the true followers to beware of these false teachers and leaders.
The name jesus wasn't common. LOL that name is only 1,500 years old. 😂
Diggy Edwards Jesus is just the Greek translation of Yeshu, which is short for Yeshua (also pronounced as Joshua).
The name Yeshu (Jesus) was literally the most common name in 1st Century Palestine.
@@ElohimPenemue the name yeshu was,not jesus. If his name was yeshu,then it was yeshu & that was a common but not jesus.
Diggy Edwards Jesus is a Greek translation of a Hebrew name, Hebrew names were mathematical in nature due to the Hebrew alphabet. When you translate ancient Hebrew into Ancient Greek the name Yeshu/Yeshua becomes Jesus. Jesus is not a separate name & never was.
Philo of Alexandria was born ~25 BC, living for about 75 years. He was a Roman historian for the province of Judea. He wrote a lot about the unrest of the Jews, yet at no point does he mention anything about any miracles or rumours of any miracles, or angels or rumours of angels, or any such supernatural nonsense. As Philo was precisely contemporaneous with the "life of jesus," he was in a MUCH better position to report on the life of jesus- if there was one... I would have hoped you guys would have mentioned him.
Razar Campbell
Not only that, Philo also contradicts how the gospels portray Pontius Pilate.
@@DesGardius-me7gf
Why do you think that is you big genius? Rome controlled Judea and all of Israel, and Pilot was know to kill people who went against him, as did all Roman people of power.
Do you really think a high ranking Jewish historian was allowed to control the historical narative in Rome if it went against a great political leaders wishes?
All historians of the time were factual and historically bias towards their Roman authorities, they had to be if they wanted to continue to exsist.
@Niko Bellic
Also, it's important to point out Philo was a historian for Rome. Rome tried to hide the exsistance and history of Jesus, in fear that the masses would rebel against Rome. Do people honestly think after trying to hide the exsistance of Jesus as the messiah, rome would allow one of its most famous historians of all time to then record the miracles of Jesus, proving he was messiah? Of course they wouldn't allow that. Who here thinks the Roman Empire would allow Philo to spread the very truth they were trying to cover up?
@Niko Bellic
Reputable scholars? I need them to agree with me? I'm sire your aware that the "reputable scholars" of Jesus time were the sanhedrin, and they were so blind that they couldn't even recognize the messiah, so they had him killed. The reputable scholars throughout history also had all of the prophets killed did they not?
Do I honestly think Jesus was made up by the Romans? The false traditions of Christianity were invented by the Romans. To include Christmas, Easter, the Sunday Sabbath. What Now?
>"He was a Roman historian for the province of Judea." -- Got proof? From what I had read he wasn't even in Jerusalem.
And yes after watching this video I will definitely research this for myself. Just like the Bareans
"God is an overwhelming responsibility." -Gerald 'Little Milton' Bostock / Thick as a Brick
In the beginning Man created God;
And in the image of Man created he him.
2 And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,
that he might be Lord over all the earth when it was suited to Man.
3 And on the seven millionth day Man rested
and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.
4 And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground,
and a host of others likened unto his kind.
5 And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned;
and some were put apart from their kind.
6 And Man became the God that he had created
and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.
7 But as these things did come to pass,
the Spirit that did cause Man to create his God
lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.
8 And Man saw it not.
9 But for Christ’s sake he’d better start looking.
"And your wise man don't know how feels to be thick as ......"
Brand new here. Liked and subscribed! I look forward to watching more of your videos.
I arrived here from The Atheist Experience, which I’ve been watching for several months now.
Question: How exactly did Josephus spell “Jesus”? I’ve come to learn that the letter J was not within their alphabet until many centuries later. Could you (or have you already) discuss the history of the spelling?
Nothing is known about Jesus's first 30 years of life.
Good detective work. And you're right about Josephus. And it neither proves/disprove the historical Christ. It does prove that there were a lot of guys named Jesus! LOL
Jesus said, "my kingdom is not of this earth" and he also said, "today's troubles are enough" and then he said, "I will be with you always, forever and ever, hallelujah"! In many ways Jesus is cool to listen to.
There are also less savoury bits like, "Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery", etc.
@@vampireducks1622 Indeed, and how much misery has that "justified" over centuries?
He actually said he will be with us “until the end of the age” Matt 28
Which sounds like a limited time as opposed to forever.
I wonder what he would say about marring a women that is divorced 3X
GOD BLESS YOU MILWAUKEE! MAY , HIS FACE UPON YOU . WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET GODS WORDS OUT THERE AN JEWISH HISTORY N ROME! IM WITH YOU BROTHER GOD WORKS IN WAY WE CANT FATHOM!
Have him work on your grammar.
Calm down, dude. Until he stops the suffering of 450,000 innocent people from Covid, then there is nothing to get excited about. Cuz he's done NOTHING. Well, he HAS watched his people suffer, so I guess that's SOMETHING.
Hmmm, “Milwaukee Atheist “ atheist means that a god doesn’t exist so how can you “bless” someone who doesn’t believe in dogmas, religion, or deities… ?
None of what you mentioned proved Josephus as a fraud.
Very good presentation of the evidence. Much better evidence than an apologist would offer. Keep up the good work.
What evidence did he use exactly? Look like Josephus plan worked, he really is a great fraud.
What evidence did he use exactly? Look like Josephus plan worked, he really is a great fraud.
What evidence did he use exactly? Look like Josephus plan worked, he really is a great fraud.
No other comments? Were others deleted?
He couldn’t have mentioned JESUS because the letter J is only about 500 years old.
His birth name is Yashua.
Well explain Joseph? John?
@@scottlouissmith2382 it is called a Y.
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@@scottlouissmith2382 he means j is not in the Hebrew language. Jesus would not have been refered to as jesus, that's romanized. a greek version of his name would be "Ioesus" because his name was yeshua, so the transliteration of the y consonant in hebrew depending on the language would be Is or Js.
the hebrew/aramaic versions of names that start with j would be "Benyamin" "yosef" for joseph, john would be "yohanan"
His name is Josh and you know it.
Milwaukee Atheists , this is very good research , thank you !
He you good.
+Milwaukee Atheists That's why God gave us His Word, so that we would not be deceived by anything else that comes outside of God's Word, including Josephus. God's Word is sufficient for all times, all people, and all situations. Stay with the Word of God, and build your faith not on the words of men, least of all those whom profess to be "atheists". They can't be happy having rid themselves of God, unless they've devoted their lives to slandering Him.
@@haroldmcbroom7807 Hey, while your god is "giving his word", could you ask him to end the suffering of 450,000 people from the Covid virus? Cuz he's infallible right? So, stopping the suffering of his "children" should be no problem, correct? Why have so many people suffered and DIED from it and he's not done anything to save them? Were they not "worthy" or something? Aren't all people deserving of living without suffering from this terrible plague? Have him stop it. I'll wait..... No? Hmm.... then he is FALLIBLE. He can supposedly stop the suffering of innocents with his "word power", yet he does not. Or... is it that he won't do it cuz he can't? Unless he stops the suffering, then you need to stop your ridiculous claims (fairy tales) of what you believe that he can do. Your god is irrelevant if he doesn't stop the pain and loss. No true god would let his children suffer, right?
@@jaymanz9779 That's a man-made crisis, we blame God for our actions, and yet we think that good things come from the devil. The coronavirus of whose numbers have been vastly overhyped by hospitals and social media is no more deadlier than the flu. Big Pharma has killed more people than the flu and coronavirus combined, the justice system gets a big fat paycheck and the crimes continue.
I'm too busy to complain to God at the moment, because I'm in the process of thanking him for the opportunity to see things I haven't been able to see for nearly 15 years or so. My 15 year old computer feels like a new 15 year old computer, and I can see people instead of blurry images, so we have a lot to thank God for, if we take the time to notice those things in our lives.
Manny Ortiz, I'm glad you wrote this I am a Christian, and seeking the truth is the key to knowing Jesus
Pretty dense but pretty good, I an quite convinced that the citation of Jesus by Josephus is a forgery , it just fits to well in the description to be honest
It’s likely that the “if it be rightful to call him a man” and “he was the Christ” are forgeries, however the rest is authentic.
No! I doubt it, it is too much out of context.
@@dou40006 that particular section was all about Pilate, and considering at the point he wrote it, early Christianity was alive and on the rise, it makes sense for him to mention Pilate’s most important action, the execution of Jesus. Not to mention it made sense time-wise (“around this time”).
I appreciate the hard work, time and the knowledge. Thank you
You might want to do some more research on your own after watching videos like this. The majority of modern scholars consider the testimonium to be partially authentic except for the manner in which Jesus is described.
There was no year zero. ! AD was preceded by 1BC.
True, this dude is an idiot
Thanks boys, l learnt something today..
Year zero. ... Year zero does not exist in the Anno Domini (AD) system usually used to number years in the Gregorian calendar and in its predecessor, the Julian calendar. In this system, the year 1 BC is followed by AD 1.
There was no year AD whatsoever if all this turns out to be simply a myth
I wonder if there was a count down to the new year on new years eve in 1BC?
When you use Cartesian coordinates, you don't include zero?
People are lining up to renounce God
So they can do evil without a conscience
Their sin will meet them at the end
Greeks are the best storytellers aren't they? :)
Yes.
Josephus was a Roman Jew.
@@yankeeforcestudios5431 Did someone say he wasn't Roman or a Jew?
@@scottmerrow1488 No, I thought you were implying that he was Greek.
@@yankeeforcestudios5431 he’s out of his head brother 😂
The testimonium isn’t a forgery. It was just slightly altered by a Christian scholar who didn’t want to refer to Jesus as non-divine like Josephus did. If you just remove the reference to the resurrection, “if it be lawful to call Him a man” and “He was the Christ”, the entire passage flows smoothly and matches Josephus’ style
Jew don't write stuff like
@@kofiboat779 In Josephus’ time there wasn’t a distinction between Jews and Christians yet. Christians were Jews or gentiles who believed that Jesus is the Christ. Josephus wrote really favourably about John the Baptist in a passage that no one calls a forgery
@@masterspark9880first Jesus the son of G-d and a virgin is not in the Jewish Bible. Isaiah 7 and 9 have nothing to do with Jesus. Josephus or people who followed Jesus wouldn't that the thinking that Christians believe. Jesus' teachings are even contrary to Paul. In Matt 19:16-26, a man asked Jesus the path to eternal life. Jesus told him what Jewish believe. Keep the commandments. Jesus did not tell the man he was going to die and save him.
@@kofiboat779 I’m not sure why you brought up Matthew 19:16-26. The man was asking what he should do to be saved, it wouldn’t make sense for Jesus to say “I will do this”. Jesus answered the man’s question. In the rest of your reply, you’re taking your modern Jewish beliefs and projecting them back onto Josephus and Early Christians. The Jews only decided that Isaiah 7 and 9 have nothing to do with the Messiah when they were writing the Talmud 200 years after Jesus’s time, when Christians had long been using Isaiah’s prophecies to support the belief that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews who rejected Jesus just said “No those prophecies don’t count”.
And Jews definitely had the concept of dying to remove people’s sins before Jesus’ death. That’s what the Old Testament sacrifices were about. Every year on the Passover they sacrificed a lamb, for which God would forgive their sins that year. Jesus is the fulfilment of that, as He died on the Passover so that all humanity would be saved.
Did you even watch the video? Even without that phrase, it uses words Josephus didn't use, it didn't describe the sect the way Josephus did every other sect, and it didn't explain terms the way he always otherwise did. The video gives even more examples. The text does not match Josephus' style at all. You also give no explanation of why Josephus would refer to this as a "sad calamity" or why no Christians who did refer to Josephus mention this text until the 4th century.
0:30 There was no year zero. The calendar went from 1 BCE to 1 CE.
Both are ridiculous. The ancients at that time were not numbering the years like that. At least not in Rome. The Jews had their own calendar. And funny how not a single person remembered when this demigod was born or where.
Based on the biblical narrative Jesus would have to had be born in 6 to 7AD under Herod Antipater ruler of Galilee (not Herod the Great or Herod Archeleous) and died before 37AD when Pontius Pilate was recalled to Rome. In short the whole basis for the AD calendar is based on incompetence.
@@allangibson8494 I agree with your last statement. To start a calendar from the birth of Christ, one would have to go back further in time, to the Star of Bethlehem.
Josephus's detailed explanation of the Pharisees indicates his intimate familiarity with their beliefs, given that he was himself Jewish, and probably betrays a bit of healthy criticism to boot. Josephus did not hold Jewish priests in high regard.
The video makes mention of some of the names of other "Joshua's" in Josephus and so also does the bible...Here are a few that you do not cover...
Joshua ben Serach
Joshua ben Sie (possibly the same as Serach)
Joshua (military leader under Moses)
Joshua ben Jehozadak
Joshua ben Simon (grandson of one of the Onias)
Joshua ben Fabus
Joshua ben Gamla
Joshua ben Damneus (gee, wonder what that last name is supposed to imply)
Name variants include...
Hosea
Isaiah
Jason
Joshua
Thanks for making this video...I am a person of no faith and when conversing with "Believers" I have had some folks go on about this subject and got a glimmer of understanding about this. again thanks!
O for the love of God. Did you think about doing some actual investigating first before starting to call others uninformed? I think even a simple google search would have given you enough info on why this is wrong and why no Josephus scholar agrees with it.
Jesus was afro black. White KKK Milwaukee is a racist punk.😁
When i was a young man my life was a mess. I went into a little church and prayed to Jesus. He saved me and i was filled with the Spirit as they were in acts 2. If this is a dream please don't wake me.
Wow! Poor thing! Such imagination!
Seriously. Have you considered you're in a nightmare, yet still choosing to not be woke?
I believe there is a God, but I can't follow any organized religion. I remember being 5 or 6 years old in Sunday school, and the teacher was telling the story of Jonah and the whale. The teacher was telling it like it was a true story, and the other kids seemed to be accepting it as such. I remember just sitting there stunned, am I crazy, or is everyone else in this room crazy to believe this? I think that this moment in my life led me to question everything, and to study Christianity to try to get to the truth about what it is. In other words, the brainwashing of my young mind didn't work.
I really do like that you study but your still in the box
This is a tremendous video. I had heard of the testimonium flavianus and you have explained it completely
Christianity had its Time of Rage
This is for those who are in doubt of the cruel massacre of the Catholic Church.
It is in much of the history that you can find on line. And it is all in the encyclopedia of universal knowledge; it has three volumes or books, the volume it is in is missing in the Washington D C library. The Catholic and Protestants did not want the information known, evidently.
C B Pershall, My Male parent was taking care of the Electric dynamos on the little Salmon River dam. He was furnished a house to live in and in the attic of the house he ran across this Encyclopedia of Universal Knowledge. He read all about how that during the time of the Catholic massacring those who would not come under their religion, those who was faithful to Jesus’ teaching went under cover, in secret correspondence. Some moved to new arias. It even named the places they fled to.
C B Pershall did not take the encyclopedia with him as he considered it would be stealing. It was not his and he did not know where to find the owner.
Years later when I was ten to twelve years old C B Pershall began to search for the Encyclopedia. He spent much money in his search.
Then, when C B Pershall and I were working in the fields of strawberries, we saw a man climbing over the fence. The man was a Britannica Encyclopedia sales man.
I got a shock of my life when I heard my male parent tell the man that he would buy two sets of Encyclopedias if he could find the information that he wanted.
My male parent gives the man all the information that he had found in the Encyclopedia years before.
The man said that it would not be a problem. He said it would be all in the library in Washington D C.
A month later the man came back in the evening. He said all the volumes were there except the volume that was needed for the information we wanted.
The Catholic and her protestant little children truly must not want that information public.
My male parent still search in many book stores for the Encyclopedia with no success.
I did not read about this in a book, or dream it. It was the life I lived.
The same is with George and his daughter’s gift of filling teeth with gold. It was experience that I lived I did not read it from a book.
I do realize that it is very difficult to understand our Father the Great Creator’s existence and realm of truth without proof and experience it in this life.
George one of my many dear brothers’ and his daughter had the Gift of miraculously filling teeth with gold. His daughter would invite some to watch the gold pour into the tooth. And five of the fillings that George witnessed had diamond in-beds.
If the scientists of today had witnessed these things in life perhaps they would understand True Science much better.
In may seem strange that there were many hundreds of teeth miraculously filled, in their time. Many more than the miracles that it tells about in the book that Christianity worships.
Perhaps the reason is quite simple; Rome was a powerful dominion that promoted their Idolatry Religion the worship of gods, Christianity.
Just words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept others opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
Until Next time; Sweet Dreams: truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves.
Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible.
Just whispers of the Ghost of Reality
Jesus was afro black. White KKK Milwaukee is a racist punk.😁
what are your thoughts on Titus Flavius being the inspiration for Jesus' actions when considering hebraic typology and how Josephus outlines Titus' story in War of the Jews which parallels Jesus' story very closely with such things as the path they take in their ministry/conquest, becoming fishers of men, wreaking havoc in the temple, etc. etc?
Complete rubbish
Even if we do accept that the Testimonium is partially authentic, all it tells us is that there was a man named Jesus who was crucified by Pilate and that a religious movement was born after his death. That’s it.
Please don't say "prophesized". It's Pro-phe-sied.
Supersized? 🤣
3:27 ...who is "Jesus the Brother of John"? Did you mean "James, the Brother of Jesus" who according to Flavius Josephus was stoned to death in the temple by the Sadducee High Priest Ananus? It sounds like you mixed a couple memories from the texts together by accident.
"Jesus" is as real as the Easter Bunny.
Talking to a friend of my roommate after she said that she was Jewish, telling her that Jesus was a Jew. She said : No, I don't believe you. A Jew would never do this or that I forgot the detail but she knew of many examples of behaviors that no Jew would ever adopt. It is refreshing to find a diversity of opinion even within people who are born and lived in the same country all their live. That woman is not living in a gated community, she is not restricted to talk to anybody, read any book or watch any TV documentary, etc. She has tattoo, wear jeans and black leather vest and look and talk like a "rocker", a fan of Ozzy osbourne, Metalicca, etc.
Today, I learned where many of the definitions of religious expressions come from. I read or saw a documentary on TV that the sadduceans where the symbol of a skeptics way of thinking. The pharisees were those who interpret literally the Talmud, applying the law word for word without respecting the spirit, not understanding the actual goal that the law was trying to reach.
Sometimes, we can come across a book or somebody who gives a surprising number of precise detail about something that is poorly documented in the only official "word of God". For example, some people can go on and on about one of the 12 disciple of Jesus, Peter, who would allegedly have started the Catholic church. My personal experience with Catholics, the dominant religion in Quebec, is not inspiring much credibility. It is easy to become Atheist after being raised in such religion imported from a totally foreign land.
The youtube user Yahuda101 wrote a large number of comments directly under the main one from, the this video, Milwaukee Atheists. Each one is high quality, well documented, each one flowing logically. How does he react to kabbalist point of view from another youtube user who make wild connections between Hebrew words based on the first letter on each paragraph ? Since there is no dialogue possible with somebody who develop such specialized schizophrenia, Yahuda101 simply ignore it and continue expanding on the vast knowledge from the Jewish literature.
I realize today that if I would have spent more time to study religion, instead of science, electronic and software engineering, I would eventually discover the source of all these ideas that people debate today. It seems that the historian Josephus would be such fundamental "root", the common ancestor from where every branch and leaves attach and suck their energy.
I would then know that Jesus was a generic name for many distinct people. I would know that the 4 gospels are a nice compilation of stories trying to merge all these stories in a single continuous one, a simplified version easier to understand for most people. Armed with that knowledge, it would be more fun to debate with ordinary people about what Jesus did or would do.
Archko Volume Pontius Pilates letter to Tiberius Caesar.
Very helpful tutorial!
Totally awesome but sure sounds a lot like the book “Nailed 10 Christian Myths “ by D. Fitzgerald. If so we really need to think about quoting people and not referencing them!! But otherwise, good show.
Jesus is God, Son of God, the Messiah, the ever-Living God. The testimony of an ancient character, who could be a liar, is not good enough. Jesus is the TRUE GOD.
Pray for these lost souls. Can you imagine rejecting Jesus every day of your life? Pray for these lost sheep 🙏🙏🙏✅👍💯
You are correct in stating and showing that the prose and verse of Josephus's writings are completely different, from the "forgery" Testimonium Flavianum...and that, if real, earlier scholars would have quoted from it.
Tremendous work to uncover the clear idiosyncrasies of the author Josephus...and the monumental conclusion that he did NOT know the Jesus of the bible, instead he wrote about several others Jesus's of that time.
I'm enthralled, add me to the subscribed list!
There was no year 0 (zero). The year went from 1BC to 1AD with no 0 (zero) in-between.
Danial 9 The Messiah will appear and be killed before the destruction of The Second Temple. Written 600 years before Jesus.
Question: Which 1st century AD writing did Danial plagiarize 600 years before it was written?? And what happened to Danial's time machine?? Also Malachi 3 declares that the Messiah will appear while The Second Temple is still standing. Did they use the same time machine??
@Larry Cavalli And? The prophecy is plainly stated. That argument does not apply.
Here is your argument
Prophecy: The man will be wearing a red shirt
You: But people often wear green shirts
@Larry Cavalli Yeah. According to Daniel 9 and Malachi 3 it will be before the destruction of the 2nd temple. Which would be before 70AD
If you want to turn believers into atheist just describe Jesus as dark skinnedlike Josephus did. People will stop believing in a heart beat.
I'm pretty sure in Josephus' time the days were addressed as first day second day Third Day fourth day fifth day preparation day Sabbath
Yeap
Lol. I wouldn't say that Mark "used" Josephus for his temple narrative. He outright plagiarized it, and changed the ending.
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Owned them!
Also, Josephus never knew Jesus, while Mark walked with him and talked with him.
matty Ice The gospel of Mark couldn’t have been penned by the apostle Mark. The apostle Mark was illiterate and dead by the time it was written and the Gospel was merely attributed to “Mark” at some later time.
There is a credible theory that it may have been attributed to not the Apostle Mark but another Mark entirely; a Mark who was the secretary to Paul. But that doesn’t mean that this attribution’s accurate either.
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And you learned this info from scripture, God, or corrupt men living during the time of Christ who thought to hide the truth as commanded by the sanhedrin who didn't want the jews to accept Jesus. Did you obey these men of Satan who wanted you to be confused on who wrote the book of mark? Who were your sources, I bet you don't even know.
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And there's your answer ladies and gentleman, this is why you identify Satan for who he is.
@@-kepha8828 Satan is made up. Just like God and any other deity.
Jesus is Lord. Hallelujah
Jesus is Lord? Hilarious.
@@diveinnjim The last thing you would do is laugh when you seen Him.
I'm an atheist, but I love Josephus. Read his works, he was amazing. Not a historian, a scholar forced to be a rebel general against his Roman friends to save his parents.
A great adventure. Captured the city of Tiberius with a handful of men and talked the rebel leader into cutting off his own hand.
It’s weird how you talk about this subject and have a devilish music background.
Lol 😆
How unbiased is he! The Most Hight exposed him.
if you study the history of this man you'll find he's not a dependable source.
Jesuit forgery Josephus was.
Josephus was born 5 years after the alleged crucifixion. Did never witnessed anything.
@ozskipper
But He was very very closed to the real history of Jesus, how could muhamad know about Jesus 600 yrs later?
@Alpha Omega
Muhamad is false prophet. Jews don’t worship Jesus so they are different with Christians.
@@edharianto8933 No honest or informed person cites Josephus as 'evidence' for a historical Jesus, because they know it contains PROVEN FORGERIES. Dr. Paul Hopper, Distinguished Professor at Carnegie Mellon University: "The most likely explanation is that the entire passage is interpolated, presumably by Christians embarrassed at Josephus’s manifest ignorance of the life and death of Jesus." existenciadecristo.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/a-narrative-anomaly-in-josephus.pdf Dr. Michael Martin, professor at Boston University, "Biblical scholars are almost in uniform agreement that this passage is spurious--a Christian interpolation--and, consequently, that it cannot be taken seriously as independent confirmation of the historicity of Jesus." books.google.com/books?isbn=1566390818
Additionally, our earliest manuscript with this forged passage is dated to the 11th century---1,000 years after Josephus was alive. And Josephus wasn't even born until 37 CE, and could've had no personal knowledge of Jesus even if we had the original manuscript from the 1st Century. The fact that Christians have to cite an 11th Century manuscript containing proven forgeries and fraud shows how desperate they are to grasp at straws to prop up their 'historical Jesus' claims. *FACT* There are no contemporary accounts of Christ from any source, in or outside the Bible. Period. All you have are hearsay claims by non-eyewitnesses where your earliest manuscripts date hundreds of years or more after the supposed events, and which are corrupted by forgery and fraud. No credible source supports your claims.
@Myth Buster
No .. you are wrong, there were other historians at the same century of Jesus not only Josephus but also c tacitus, Marbar Serapion, Lucianus etc.
You've been misinformed. Let's look at Tacitus, as I've already debunked Josephus above. Even the Encyclopedia Brittanica states that the Tacitus reference "does not provide independent evidence about Jesus." www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century#ref748595 This is because Tacitus was born in 56 CE and could have no personal knowledge of Jesus, and the Annals was originally written in 116 CE--which is well after the gospel stories were in circulation. At best, even if we had the original 2nd century manuscript handwritten by Tacitus, the reference would be only hearsay. But what we *ACTUALLY* have is a single 11th century manuscript written by Christian scribes who were notorious for forgery, fiction, and fraud. There were 1,000 years of hand-copying and edits between the original manuscript and our earliest copy of it. If Christians claim that this passage is authentic, where is their evidence to prove it? There is none. Why should anyone *ASSUME* , on faith, that a manuscript written by members of a human sacrifice cult (with both motive and opportunity to lie) contains a valid representation of what Tacitus wrote 1,000 years previously? Is this credible evidence according to standards of the historical method? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method#Core_principles_for_determining_reliability
U must be wrong cause my neighbor has a bumper sticker that says that jesus lives and that he spoke to him..
U didnt see that comming, huh? CheckMate atheists!!!!
Oh shit proof positive, that's it you got us all LMAO
Jesus Ben Ananias was killed by the same type of stone as in Revelation 16:21... same exact words used
Tim That's the most compelling evidence I have come across for the existence of god.
Time Weren't they all stoned at the wedding feast at which Jesus turned water into wine ?
Were you aware that Josephus also claimed to have received what appeared to witnesses as a mortal head wound?
3. In the mean time, Josephus, as he was going round the city, had his head wounded by a stone that was thrown at him; upon which he fell down as giddy. Upon which fall of his the Jews made a sally, and he had been hurried away into the city, if Caesar had not sent men to protect him immediately; and as these men were fighting, Josephus was taken up, though he heard little of what was done. So the seditious supposed they had now slain that man whom they were the most desirous of killing, and made thereupon a great noise, in way of rejoicing. This accident was told in the city, and the multitude that remained became very disconsolate at the news, as being persuaded that he was really dead, on whose account alone they could venture to desert to the Romans. But when Josephus's mother heard in prison that her son was dead, she said to those that watched about her, That she had always been of opinion, since the siege of Jotapata, [that he would be slain,] and she should never enjoy him alive any more. She also made great lamentation privately to the maid-servants that were about her, and said, That this was all the advantage she had of bringing so extraordinary a person as this son into the world; that she should not be able even to bury that son of hers, by whom she expected to have been buried herself. However, this false report did not put his mother to pain, nor afford merriment to the robbers, long; for Josephus soon recovered of his wound, and came out, and cried out aloud, That it would not be long ere they should be punished for this wound they had given him. He also made a fresh exhortation to the people to come out upon the security that would be given them. This sight of Josephus encouraged the people greatly, and brought a great consternation upon the seditious. (Wars, Book 5, Chapter 13, Paragraph 3.)
I think it is clear that the Book of Revelation contains allegory related to the Jewish Revolt and the "beast" with one head mortally wounded represented the Roman army.
@@warrensmith8161 I hope you copied and pasted this 17C drivel
well, you lost me at, " shout at the devil"
Great song!!!
@Marius EMI You worship the devil?
TO THE RICH Alif Laam Meem is part of Eisher Aisher Eisher. Obey women, help the poor, fight racism, homophobia, islamophobia, fix the planet, bequeath for a good cause to get into paradise or expect an ETERNAL MOMENT of pur Terror in Hell. - Message from the Holy Spirit.
Which exposes his agenda.
There was no Year Zero.
...& if the purveyor of this nonsensical video can be wrong about something as absolutely fundamental as that, then he can be wrong in almost everything else that he says.
Graehame Thorne - By your *same* logic then, if the multiple anonymous writers of the bible can be so wrong about an "Adam & Eve" story, a "global flood" story, and a mass "exodus" of Hebrew slaves from Egypt story - well, *obviously* they too can be wrong in almost everything else they wrote!!
John Tobin, absolutely. The Bible has some interesting stories, but it's a bunch of novels.
one thing I wanted to see and didn't is the reconstructed "brother" passage in context. Other than that - beautiful job. I thought I knew all that already but did learn something new. Thanks!
What is the context of Isaiah 7 and 9?
JOSEPH ON "JESUS"!!!
Never born and never died!!!
Event Horizon, one DAY soon you will find out how wrong you are! I used to think the same As you, until one day my eyes and heart opened up to the "TRUTH"..
I made sure to like and subscribe. :) I learned a lot.
I learned that the passages of Josephus that Christians use as 'proof' are forged. I have no doubt of that. I didn't understand a word of Josephus' writing; _Sophisticated language_ is an understatement. The passage where jesus was mentioned as not just being called christ but being christ was obviously written either a couple of centuries later or by someone with a couple thousand functional braincells less than Josephus had.
I also learned that there were several historians who have written awesome stories in great detail about a time I would love to learn a lot more about. All I know is what the movies and the bible tell me and those stories don't fit together. It's a ridiculous mess without any logic or reason and that's just the bible; the movies just pick a short story and copy it.
So I learned just a few little things, but they add a whole new dimension to my view of our past and that makes it a lot. For that I am grateful.
Make sure to make more videos :p
theoledevil Ah shit. Those are books aren't they? I hate books unless they're read to me :p I should sub to some audiobook thing. :) But what I meant was the actual historical events as they happened. Stuff like the tower of babel, not how some shitty religion got woven into society. Although that might be a nice follow up to see how those events and the evolution of different societies correlated. One doesn't go without the other.
Setekh good , they at least research , maybe wrong conclusion , but the they seek .
This is true history! All people need to put there religious beliefs on hold and study history!!! Its right in front of you!
>"I learned that the passages of Josephus that Christians use as 'proof' are forged." Nope; “According to Feldman's discernible statistics [Feld.JosMod, 684-91], 4 scholars regard the larger passage as completely genuine, 6 more as mostly genuine; 20 accept it with some interpolations, 9 with several interpolations; 13 regard it as being totally an interpolation as Wells does.” from “Josephus and Jesus. Christ Myth refuted. Did Jesus exist a response” @ tektonics.org/jesusexist/josephus.php
Well, Josephus wasn't the most reliable guy either.
He himself pretended to be a messiah until the Romans captured him.
But still, you did make a good point that the text itself doesn't sound authentic.
This video was made almost 50 years too late. I would encourage you to do diligent research before impunity a valid, even valuable, resource such as Josephus. In the 1970's, an unaltered manuscript tradition of Josephus was discovered that contained the original version of the "Jesus passage" in which he does not claim Jesus to be the Messiah. No Scholar of ancient history disputes this as original. Please see Paul Maier's "Josephus, the Essential Works". On two quick side notes; every ancient historian reports events the occurred before his own lifetime and scholars find these reports to be valid provided they were written close enough to those events that either source material or witnesses were still around when it was written (both of which are the case regarding Josephus' account of Jesus Christ), and second, reputable scholars (even ones who are atheist) agree that Mark wrote his account of the Gospel prior to the " prophet" you claimed Mark used as a source. Only eight years before the temple's destruction, anyone who was conscious of then-current events could tell that such an event was on the horizon, and therefore is not grounds to claim that one was a source of the other.
The year zero?
B.C = Before Christ:This is counting down from the time of Adam being created to the birth of Christ(which is arouns 4000 years) when the year count resets to zero. This is why the years go up now. While before the years were counting down to the birth of God the son ~Christ)
A.D=The birth of Christ: The year resets to 0, as soon as Jesus Christ is born counting up to the point of where we are continually counting foward to our present year to the point in time Christ comes back again for those who Believe in His Second coming.
I find it funny or even ironic, how most of the world doesn't believe in God and His plan for our salvation, but yet we still follow the countdown to Christ birth~TheBible (all of earths history, within all those man made history books can be accounted for within those 4000 years, and from His birth to our now present time ~ to His so return(Second Coming of Christ)
@@rustyshield That's the Gregorian calendar, it doesn't have a year zero, that's what I was pointing out. Jesus was supposedly born on year 1.
Also it came into effect in the year 1582, well after the birth of Christ, and many historians think they got the supposed year of his birth wrong.
@@JosephJamesScott Christians follow this calendar. As per the Bible. As we don't believe in evolution. History books from the 90s, 80s ...etc also reference BC and AD in the years being described.... im not sure what the History books in high school and University display now.
But, Christians and those that don't believe in evolution, will follow the Before Christ and After the Death of Christ, year set.
@@JosephJamesScott just count down from the year 2021 till you hit year zero. Christs birth. Before that it's count up to Adams creation.
The earth is only 6000+ years old. Evolutionists don't believe this, but everyone else does. Christians Jews more specifically.
But, yeah....should be year 1....since zero is not a number.
If Christ was not true, Christianity would never have taken off let alone lasted down the centuries.
Why would Hinduism still be around then unless its true.
Hinduism is a conglomeration of different religions not a pure religion like Christianity. It survived because it said what people wanted to hear and was an easy belief to follow. Christianity is hard to follow and has suffered more hate and persecution than any other faith.
@@michaelwhite8031 Christians have like 100 different types of Christianity.
@@thsseessht7984 But then why did islam also take off too. And will probably become the most followed religion during our life time
@@finnwraith196 You can't argue with Christians they are just jews. They will just keep maing shit up, same as Muslims
The confusion of Christianity and Jesus is that people are taught to think that The name Jesus is unique. It was a widely and common name in those days and it’s the reason why the church doesn’t mention it, so people think the name Jesus is Holy.
The church doesn't mention it? The comedic levels of the absurd...
you presume too much :) YAHshua is Real , HE is YAH in the Flesh :) ... I have been visited in 1983 by a Angel in bodily form - with witnesses :) ... everyone living in those days - would be very familiar with the details, "Josephus" would Not need to give details he knew all were familiar with !!!
Except he was an historian.
He was not writing for the people of his day.
yehmiysh Don't talk complete utter crap - it's pointless, actually.
NO SUCH THING as Year Zero!!!!!!!!
New Year's Eve of 1 B.C. turns to New Year A.D. 1...'member dat, yo ;o)
Yeap!!! This video is a bunch of BS!!
I don't need any evidence to believe in Jesus Christ .
Jesus Christ is a real and he lived before 2000 years back and Christian persecution are real .
He is the Lord .
And you KNOW this how? You don't - period. So shaddup.
Well if you hear "real" voices and that's all the evidence you need to "kill them all" just call me first.
Good material. Thank you for the research.
I do not believe in God because of anything Josephus wrote -- or didn't write. I believe in God because of what Jesus said and did and who he is. I've followed him for over 60 years and he has never failed me yet. I have no need to prove atheists wrong, and marvel that atheists work so hard to disprove what they claim to not believe. If God is nothing, they waste a lot of time on nothing! He who comes to God must believe that He is. He rewards those who seek Him. If you want to know who Jesus Christ is, open your Bible and sincerely ask God to show you the truth. He will.
Amen sister. All praise to Him who is seated on high!!💜🤲
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"...seated on high.", is a direct reference to the "Navel of Heaven (North Celestial Pole)"....Christianity is undoubtedly centered around the adoration and worship of the North Star and it's Axis.
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You obviously do not have knowledge of the Axis Mundi and therefore no understanding of it.
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Therefore you speak in ignorance.
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Again you only display ignorance.
Your channel is the best
Strictly speaking, Josephus is a Roman historian. He was only Jewish by ethnicity. Josephus'[ name was Joseph Ben Matityahu. His name became Flavius because he was adopted into the Flavian family of Gen. Titus Flavius who destroyed Jerusalem and later became Emperor. Josephus wrote the official government approved history of those events. He was a Benedict Arnold. We do not rely on his history because it is reliable, or because it is the viewpoint of the Jews, but because it is the only record we have.
No historians are perfect, including Josephus. That being said, he not only mentions Jesus in his works but John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, and a host of other characters from the Bible. A lot of these people were contemporaries of his. This makes him a great source of 1st century history, yet because he mentions Jesus, people freak out and say of that was added later. Maybe it wasn’t, in fact the oldest copy of his work from an arabic translation has the mention of Jesus in it.
Regarding 'Josephus', no honest or informed person cites Josephus as 'evidence' for a historical Jesus, because they know it was fraudulently edited by lying Christian scribes who inserted forgeries into the text. Dr. Michael Martin, professor at Boston University, "Biblical scholars are almost in uniform agreement that this passage is spurious--a Christian interpolation--and, consequently, that it cannot be taken seriously as independent confirmation of the historicity of Jesus." books.google.com/books?isbn=1566390818
Additionally, our earliest manuscript with this forged passage is dated to the *11th century* , 1,000 years after Josephus was alive. And Josephus wasn't even born until 37 CE, and could've had no personal knowledge of Jesus even if we had the original manuscript from the 1st Century. The fact that Christians have to cite an 11th Century manuscript containing proven forgeries and fraud shows their level of desperation. Try learning what source credibility is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method#Core_principles_for_determining_reliability
*FACT* There are no contemporary accounts of a historical Jesus from any source, in or outside the Bible. Period. There are no eyewitness claims...PERIOD. All you have are double-hearsay claims by religious fanatics where your earliest manuscripts date hundreds of years or more after the supposed events, and which are corrupted by forgery and fraud. You don't have a single, historically-credible source for a 'historical Jesus.' PERIOD.
Dr. Paul Hopper, Distinguished Professor at Carnegie Mellon University: "The most likely explanation is that the entire passage is interpolated, presumably by Christians embarrassed at Josephus’s manifest ignorance of the life and death of Jesus." existenciadecristo.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/a-narrative-anomaly-in-josephus.pdf
oh and when does that arabic manuscript date to and what was its source? you say it was from a greek source and dates to the 19th Century? and this and other scholars are suggesting that the clearly disjointed paragaph added in happened in the 4th century by Eusebius (who wrote in Greek)? Wow, how on earth could an Arabic manuscript from a Greek source manuscript contain a passage that had been added to Greek copys of the work for over 600 years ... that is such a mystery and head scratcher that likely can never be untangled. Fucking morons.
sorry typo it dates to the 10th century, stupid 0 and 9 keys are too close together (now im the fucking typing moron)
There are countless reasons he may have chose to write briefly as he did about Jesus. One could be out of reverence and respect, whether he were a Christian or not and explaining the origin of Christianity. Or perhaps he didn't want his description of Christianity to overshadow his role as a historian. Christians have never been viewed as respectable in the World and he may have thought it would diminish his work and made it a 'Christian' text, which was never his intention.
Obviously driven by worldview, you have a goal in mind. The forgery angle is total speculation on your part, there is no evidence for it and if you want to badly believe it, it's purely because of the subject matter. Why do you not take issue with any other portions of his work?
Total speculation? Lol!
What is it when you claim “he MAY have”, “perhaps…” “one reason COULD be…” if not speculation?
“Christians have NEVER been viewed as respectable “. Really? How did Christianity become the world’s predominant religion?
17:45 If Hegisippus and Clement of Alexandria went to the trouble of describing how James died then doesn't that mean there *was* a Christian church in Jerusalem? Why else would they mention James? If there was a Christian church then there must have been a Jesus no?
What about Jesus in the Talmud? acknowledged by those who hated him most; the Pharisees - if he didn't exist, why would they even bother mentioning him at all? They merely referred to him as a sorcerer who practiced Egyptian magic, a blasphemer who was hung from a tree and is in hell boiling in human excrement. - far from a Christian forgery.
THE RECENT HISTORICAL RESEARCH INDICATE THAT ALL THE THREE FIRST GOSPELS OF MATTHEWS MARK AND LUKE AND BOOK OF ACTS WERR WRITTEN BY 61 AD. ALL THESE GOSPELS HAVE RECORDED WHAT JESUSS PROPHESY ABOUT DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AND JEWISH TEMPLE . WHEN JOSEPHUS STARRED HIS WRITINGS HE HAD READ ALL THE THREE GOSPELS AND WHAT SHORT NOTE HE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS IS INFACT SHORT SUMMARY OF HIS LIFE
HE HAS ALSO WRITTEN THAT CURSE CAME UPON JEW NATION BECAUSE OF CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS. TJ
THERE CANT BE FORGERY BECAUSE HE WAS WRITING TRITHFUL ACCOUNT OF JESUDS LIFE AS RECORDED IN GOSPELS. AT THE TIME OF JESUSS TRAIL BEFORE PILOT ALL THR JRWISH LEADERS AND THEIR HENCHMAEN CRIED ALOUD AND SAID LET HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN. JOSEPHUS WAS AWARE ALL THIS AND HR WITTESSED BRUTAL MASSACRE OF JEWISH POPULATION. BUT BECAUSE OF HIS PERSONAL INTERVENTION MANY JEWS WERE SAVED OR ALLOWED TO ESCAPE. BROTHER UR POST IS JEWISH PROPAGANDA. THERE ARE SEVERAL CONTEMPORARY ROMAN AND GREEK HISTORIAMS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS HIS MISSION AND HIS DISCIPLES. MODERN HISTORIANS DO ADMIT ABOUT HISTRICAL JESU
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Earlier this year, a friend of a friend claimed that Josephus was proof Jesus existed. That claim was even more baffling when they claimed she was an atheist.
I honestly tried to explain how Josephus was not a contemporary...but any attempt at discussion melted down. Even if I showed her this video, she'd still rant and rave that she was right.
Labels do not make a person. Calling yourself an "atheist" doesn't change what you are.
We will all die and see who is right in the end.
I will be referring to him as Jesus Bananas.
And Jesus son of Onions.
According to most christians, Jesus was the only guy in the middle east who had that name at that time... 😂
Jesus is the Son of God, the promised messiah. Sent to show all who God the Father is and give us a life with Him
I am a mythicist influenced by Thomas Paine. He lived more than two hundred years ago. Thomas Paine in his book
THE AGE OF REASON quoted SPINOZA
a Dutch philosopher who was Jewish and SPINOZA was persecuted by the orthodox
Jewish community in Netherlands. Spinoza as quoted by Thomas Paine doubted the authenticity of the old testament myths . Read the AGE OF REASON. Let's us discuss the book.
Good luck
Where did you find training in litigating historical source material and study of cultural context (interpretation)?