I just realized they could've just make their burst the same as Ayaka's where it stops moving when it hits a large opponent but no, they just made it weird.
@@meisterowlart8007 DMC was only good since dendro was new and they needed to show how great the reactions are. If the element was introduced in the game's release, it probably would've been worse.
@@olyabutorina6869Then I hope Hoyoverse creates an alternative version or skin that is stronger than his classic version, I will buy it. I really don't like how he treats the Traveler, it's annoying. .
The first time I used it, it phased into the ground within the span of a second. I didn't even get to see the burst doing its thing. Because it went into the GROUND. I never used hydro traveler again lol
@@aprentice.mastersno? His kit is coherent and actually great, DMC is an amazing support and still have one of the best off field dendro application, only behind Nahida The other 8 dendro characters aren't as impressive off field
@@San-cb9mjexcuse me? Baizhu with Ocean Hued artifacts is actually insane. Baizhu has a passive that buffs dendro reactions and ocean hued allows me to deal 30k damage per heal. At C1 his skill gets an extra charge. So if you time it right, you can deal 30k damage every 3.5 seconds as a healer. A really good healer at that, who consistenly applies dendro. Not including his burst that can ramp up healing and damage even more. Also have you never tried Tighnari? Tighnari is a very good single target dendro dps. There's more to dendro than Nahida. It seems like you either havent built them very well or havent even played them. Alhaitham is also a crazy good DPS... like dendro characters literally open the door to a bunch of strong reactions. Even the weakest of the dendro characters are usually not very weak in terms of the game. Your comment seems to come from a lack of knowledge or experience with Dendro and I suggest you try them out with good builds. Dendro characters are crazy good for elemental reactions And as for off field? Baizhus burst is off field, tighnari's skill literally will take away enemy aggro, alhaitham can burst and stay off field, even collei has off field use. Dendro characters are great for off field skills, you just have to learn how to use them. Not every character needs to be off field dps or elemental application to be good off field. Tighnari's skill can be used while he's not even built and be extremely useful
@@ballistic_1607 that's what I mean. I'd say if the burst at least would trap the enemies for a sec or two it would be a bit better but like this its definitely lackluster
I use Lumine for the same reason, and what makes me kinda sad is that the Hydro Traveller had so much potential but Hoyo couldn't bother to actually use it. The issue of not being able to move while holding the E could easily be solved, and same goes for the unstoppable (in a bad way) burst. I'm still gonna use Hydro Lumine in the open world because her skill is very fun for me, I'm just a bit bummed out that they did her dirty like that. She deserves better😭
@darianstarfrog Honestly I wish they would make him viable as a main damage dealer. Caelum/Stelle is actually usable on the Path of Destruction and an amazing(unless you have a better tank, like Gepard) Fire Preservation Character. And that is the thing, SR MC is actually usable. Yes, there are better options, but you can use him reliably without having to jump through hoops(or sending all your savings to Hoyo) unlike with the Traveler.
My main complaint with the burst isn’t the damage, not even the drastic energy requirements, but instead that the bubble doesn’t trap enemies like the hydro abyss mage bubbles do. I was really hoping that the bubble would trap enemies in it and keep them in the bubble as it moved along
Imma just be honest, as a traveler main, who went through maxing talents and is dedicating to max the future elements, Imma just say, Hydro Traveler is "One step forward -2 steps backwards Anemo Traveler". His kit is exactly the same, word for word, bar for bar, aesthetic to aesthetic. The only difference is that, once again (Whoever convinced hoyo to remove the N5 infusion attack, I hope both sides of your pillow are warm during a very hot night). It's one step forward because the element is now hydro, opening room for more chances at damage numbers going up, especially since Basic Vaporize>Reverse Vaporize It's two steps backwards because they took the aspects of anemo traveler that we managed to work around, and killed it. I can understand hoyo wanting to design free characters in a way that there's a lot of reasons to go for the banner characters...but it's the same case with Xinyan, Dori, Dehya and most especially Aloy. Please Hoyo, just do better.
Yeah, why Dehya is so bad if she isn't a free character? I mean, Diluc and Tighnari are also standard 5* but they are still at least somewhat good. Also Dori and Xinyan are limited 4* and then there we have Xiangling who just fit in so many teams while being a free character basically (at least C0). It's been 3 years already and we still can't swap out our Xiangling, Bennet and Xinqiu! Why Hoyo can't make new 4* better or at least at the same level as those 3? People are tired from using them! We have 70 characters already, and there's so many of them that are benched even though they are new characters. There are so many questionable decisions that Hoyo makes....
@@olyabutorina6869 Yes! What's so wrong about making good and fun characters who either free or easy to get. I have played Honkai Impact 3rd for a little while, and they gave free Herrscher of Void as a beginner log in reward. They have clearly done it in the past and free Fun characters is always nice. They don't have to be the best. But, they can be fun to play. I really disliked that they did Candece dirty. Aesthetic wise, she instantly became one of my favourite designs. I was willing to sacrifice even if she was kind of bad compared to Xinque. But she was sort of unusable and not just bad, compared to Xinque. Yeah, giving fun traveller and good new characters without just simply power cryping the old ones should be one of their priorities to make the game fun. But I don't know why they thought it was a bad idea.
Hey, fello traveller main here. I do think that they did a lot of questionable to Hydro Traveller. But, at least they made him fun, compared to other travellers. Sure, Dendro traveller was very strong, but it wasn't too fun for me. His skill was, while useful and easy, but boring. His burst was kind of enjoyable though, mostly because it's strong. The Hydro version has a more fun mechanic. And as a Traveller main, he is a better suited for a DPS character. Even though his damage is not that high, but it's enough high to keep up with my other DPS (Not saying much, because it's Crescent Pike Zhongli with Gladiator). So I made the 3 archon Hydro Traveller team. It's fun to use this on the over world. But I need to say, Hydro Traveller burst is just a head ache and doesn't even look aesthetically pleasing. And why does it have 80 energy cost!? Even the Tornado has 60 energy. Which is in my opinion the worst traveller's burst. I find Anemo to be the worst, I enjoy all other travellers. (Probably because I don't use VV shred) So I don't let the Hydro burst bother me, I just throw it in there for some Damage while I continue to bloom with Traveller's skill.
Honkai devs are different from genshit devs, I truly believe a faction of the genshin really hate their jobs and is taking it out on making these terrible design choices, ffs it took star rail 3 months what it's currently taking genshin 3 years to do@@LordNNero
hoyo would hardly ever redesign their characters or equipment the one time they did (zhongli) was because zhongli is, after all, the god of the nation mirroring china, and you know what would happen if hoyo enrages the chinese government
@coriakacoron5851 Majority of Chinese players get mad = hoyo listens That's exactly what happened with zhongli And they barely reworked him he just got buffed from an underwhelming unit to a decent one. Hoyo in kit/gameplay design has one of the laziest i've ever seen and they don't even bother to fix clunky animations let alone reworking a unit They even don't give that much skins compared to their other gacha game They don't listen while they're popular That's all
Okay I just realized, Anemo and Geo traveler sort of mirrored the archons skills ( venti and zhongli ) and this hydro traveler makes me feel both scared and worried abt furina LOL
Electro recover energy like raiden but in a really weird way and Dendro ult interacts with Hydro Electro Pyro like Nahida’s burst interaction with elemental typing of the team so yeah… i hope furina just mirrors the life draining part lol
Traveler doesn’t mirror the archons, at all. The only thing is general things like what the element’s specialty is: anemo= grouping( but traveler heals while venti doesn’t; their animations aren’t similar either), geo = shield and constructs (Traveler is not played like a shielder while zhongli is), electro= energy recharge and off field electro( can’t say since I don’t play electro lumine), dendro = dendro applications and elemental buff( again traveler cant do it as well just like how anemo traveler cant group in one place, plus traveler needs burst for proper consistent dendro application like collei). Furina is going to be wayyyy better if they are anything alike.
why do people keep saying Traveller mirrors the Archons. Their skills don't look alike, their bursts don't look alike and their playstyle don't look alike. There's like 5% similarity.
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention this one cool trick the only hydro traveler can do. So here's the trick: Once you get the hydro traveler, open the map and go to sumeru. There, you can change back the element to dendro.
I wish that every element was on par with Dendro Traveler. Dendro Traveler is cool, fun, and just well rounded. Good support capabilities with nice Dendro application and off field DPS. He's not clunky like the other elements, Hydro now included. Just disappointed. There was so much protentional to make hydro traveler cool and really useful. Imagine if his skill instead cast a hydro orb that would float next to you and shoot out those hydro projectiles. His ult could have been really good if it was just like a whirlpool sphere of water you could place down that would lightly suck up enemies and deal some decent damage. Basically all he needed to do was do what Dendro Traveler did, provide some decent element application.
Skill that requires you to stand still for a millenia to properly use. Burst that has worse functionality than Anemo traveller because it can’t even suck, OR stop when hitting a wall or geo construct. You can see the full creativity of Mihoyo for their best-selling game, Genshin Impact.
"Let the skill pierce the enemies and burst stop when hitting an enemy." Hoyo: "Let the skill stop when hitting an enemy and burst pierce the enemies, got it. Thanks for your suggestion :)"
I love Hydro Traveler's tap E. I feel like using Cero if the enemies is on straight line and it can vape very easily. He is really fun in the open world
I love the elemental skill although the range is sad but what made me laugh hard was the burst, I was expecting it to have the same effect as ayaka's burst but nah, the burst passed through the enemies and went to bed early because I only had him in C1
If only he had a constellation that allowed the burst to slow down when affecting enemies or allowing it to circle around the character. The 1st change would synergize well with ayaka’s burst whereas the 2nd change would allow for a lot more application and could would perfectly with xiangling
The 2nd idea is literally asking to copy-paste Azhdaha's Hydro infusion. Hydro traveler even has the same animation entity of the orb as Azhdaha's. I think it's better if it just homes in on nearest enemy, chasing whichever is closest, or even allowing the orb to heal characters in its vicinity
Traveler having a healing ability and awkward kit is just foreshadowing him becoming a full blown healer in future. That way, the trolling will be complete
Actually, I wanted to see the Traveler as a hydro healer. This way, I could easily include him on any of my teams. But no, he has that weird Fontaine mechanic of dropping hitpoints around and picking them up afterwards.
Reminds me a lot of Anemo traveler - Tornado keeps on rolling, just like this one. Channel attack is a pull and powerful hit for Anemo, and for Hydro, it shoots at what looks about the same range with a a powerful final hit. Just not... up to snuff I suppose
The tornado still can be manageable by making it hugging a wall or smth (atleast you can play around it in abyss) But this bs just ignores the invisible wall in abyss and goes outside of the domain Well he/she doesn't benefit them So the kits are straight up random 4stars. I'm pretty sure if dendro wasn't a new element they would somehow manage to f him/her up as well.
9Some buffs to help Hydro traveller 1. Elemental Skill - They need to increase the distance/ Range of hit 2. Elemental Burst - It is similar to Anemo Traveler, but it carries small Enemies that work there. It's not working with Hydro Burst. It needs to carry small enemies / stop at enemies / Pulls Enemies like Kazuha. 3. Passive - Just remove the number 5000 ( The Power Level should be OVER 9000 !!! ) ( Not 5000 ) Hydro Traveler is fun. But I would be satisfied if they made these 3 changes.
I just wanna main the traveler since the launch but sadly hoyo did not give him a chance with any element... which is weird cos they did the opposite with the star rail
As an anemo, he is great for starters since you don't get anemo until you start wishing or hit level 25 for Lynette and even then, Anemo MC has pretty good grouping mechanic, considering his flaws of course. Geo MC is decent in a geo resonance team since he does a decent amount of damage and can provide crit buff. Gorou + Geo Main dps like Ning, Itto or C6 Noelle or even Albedo will make him a solid burst support. Electro Mc is pretty bad. He is very niche to provide er and only er with some off field electro application in his burst. Dendro mc imo only loses out to Nahida for bloom team and the second best dendro off field applicator, just behind Nahida, which is pretty good depending if you have Nahida or not. So far to me Hydro Mc only real application is that he is a free ousia character. I have an alt account where I primarily use free and event characters and in every archon and story quest, I must use the Traveler in the element of the region he is in... granted to say, I'm not looking forward to play fontaine with this account. I'm thinking freeze team but it is still very copium... maybe vape team once I get a free bennett
I'm a Traveler main since I started playing, and honestly I just accept the fact that he'll never be the best at anything and enjoy maining him anyways 😅
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko yes because she's the archon and she is busted but alot of people inclunding me didn't pull because dendro mc work good enough and "wasting" 140 wish for some damage is not that good when you can have other char for more team
@@papiertoilette-pb9lf So, DMC didn’t hamper sales. That’s the point. Not to mention, everybody now has a Xingqiu. So what’s the point in pulling for more hydro characters? See what I mean? HMC is in a space full of already good characters that many possess. So, even if Hydro Traveler was decent, it wouldn’t be the reason why sales are down ( which largely depends on the character itself; if they want more sales, simply make strong/useful characters ).
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko yes it did because the other dendro char, Baizhu and Alhaitham, are really low and Alhaitham only did 10M on his first appearence so not even more than albedo... like i said nahida only did more because she was the archon (venti is litteraly at 16M alone on the rerun even tho he's not meta or that good) and even better than mc dendro by alot but Alhaitham is not miles better than mc dendro. If hydro mc was better then nobody will pull for neuvilette which has the same kit but a lil better which will not be enough to justify the 140 pull. The hydro archon on the other hand will be pulled anyways because she's an archon, we will see how the banner goes but the sales show that for now
3 buffs for the traveler that I think would make it game changing. Major damage reduction while siphoning hp, so when you lose hp from the skill, you basically are invulnerable Burst homes on enemies Particles from skill are increased based on hits and don’t need to land the final blast. Or an increase in energy generated based on siphoned hp.
He got CC types skill in Nation of freedom He got strong defensive skill in Liyue with some extra crit rate buff He got Energy Recharge from Inazuma He got Very good amount of Dendro application and long range burst which can create many different mechanic for him to fight He literally became Self dps in fontaine and has shield and healing capacity. I hope you also see a pattern that he gains every single Archon ability in him and in the end it may become overpowered (just imagine having 7 Archon main ability in him and how much overpowered he will become even if it's low version of them)
My copium theory is that at some point we'll get an upgraded version of the traveller where all their skills and bursts will be better. They were just playing the long game, giving us a nerfed version knowing it would be improved later. And the 5 star rating will finally make sense
i dont know why but i feel we deserve an energy recharge bonus when touching anemo statue of the seven... as well shield strenght with geo, elemental mastery with electro, elemental damage and resistance with dendro, healing received and bonus with hydro, atk hp def with pyro and crit damage/chance with cryo
@part-timestudentofswordnoo1812 If Traveller gets buffed i will come back here to see your reaction, i know it's futile to hope they will make them good but one can dream
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about an after the fact buff, but that the traveller was designed to have like a second version. Full power ya know? And I don't think it would be that hard at all. Adjust the multipliers a little bit and add a feature or two. Even if they were overhauled, that would not be ton of work for a company that size.
Something I've noticed with the travelers is that they are usually a mini version of the archon. So we can kinda get a rough version of the hydro archon's kit from how the travelers work.
The archon will probably have either or both underwater skill such as that repel and slash skill that you get from underwater mobs. Also that bubble skill aswell so we have 3 actually
@@Number-n1 That would be cool for her kit, I think she'll at least have a focus in healing because of the travelers one constellation that lets them heal other party members. So a healer dps.
Heres what my version of how would i imagine hydro mc if it eas better. Skill Tap: --Same animation like the tap ability of hmc --opponents who get hit will get their hp absorbed slowly while the hp drained turns into a shield,providing heals and a shield for the current character on field. Hold:enters an aiming state similar to mika's hold skill. Marks up to 5 enemies --same as the tap skill effect,but with more accuracy and aoe,the hp shield and heals scale on how many enemies are there + travler's hp. Burst: Creates a hydro bubble,but this time it follows enemies and has better speed, while also shooting 2 hydro bullets every 1 sec
Hydro traveller burst is basically Anemo traveler without the grouping effect. If it stayed in one place and lasts longer, it would have made Hydro traveller a great hydro applicator for people who don't have Kokomi, Mona, etc
It's actually what Dehya's burst was looking for. Hydro MC was made for Dehya! Imagine Hydro MC's movement at C2 is slow. Enough for Dehya's burst to chase down Enemies she's punching
The way I will change the kit to make it prolly better in some way but yknow not the same. Elemental Skill - Drops a water turret in a location that continuously shoots water droplets. Upon drop, the elemental skill takes off 35% of the traveler's max HP. It has a duration of 10 seconds and a cooldown of 16 with a 6 second downtime. At the end of the duration, the hydro turret explodes healing team members of 30% Max HP of Traveler+680. (You can only press the skill, no hold) (Also drops an Ousia Ball and applies Ousia related mechanisms Ousia energy.) Stats Damage - 15%+10% Traveler's HP Explosion Heal - 30% max HP+680 Duration - 10 seconds Cooldown - 16 Seconds HP Drain - 35% Max HP Elemental Burst - Summons a water circle on the ground. In the water circle, a hydro water ball will circle around the area inside the circle. The Hydro water ball will deal Hydro DMG to enemies contacting the Hydro Water Ball and will be affected by Hydro. Additionally, characters contacting the hydro water ball will be healed by 45% Traveler's max HP+ 720. At the end of the duration the Hydro Water Ball will explode affecting everything near it with Hydro. Stats Hydro Water Ball DMG- 75% per hit + 25% traveller's max HP HWB Heal - 45% max HP + 720 Duration - 10 seconds Cooldown - 20 seconds Burst Energy Cost - 70
they’re suppose to make his kit bad to force u to pull for better characters + its mostly intended for exploration to its respective region and help with puzzles
You know what, it be awesome if Hydro Traveler's burst can be sucked and be pulled by characters that has pulling abilities. Imagine having Venti burst and be sucked by it, plus has a bit advantage over kokomi's jelly fish because it can be resositioned by dragging it via pull from anemo characters
Hydro MC is supposed to be the basic version of the corresponding archon, it looks like any improvement in furina 's kit would be greatly appreciated 😅
hydro traveler: water gun, throws water orb, picks up water... droplets?? neuvillette: BIG ASS WATERGUN, ult has something to do with droplets; so... my traveler is just budget neuvillette. okay hoyo, i see what you're doing this time...
@@itsdioandnNeuvillette is the ancient Water Dragon they talk about in the story for a bit, or at least one of them. And he's basically a babysitter for Furina, as she is one of the newer Archons, and not one of the original Seven. So Neuvillette does have more authority at the moment, as he's essentially Furina's guardian.
@@lunaria7067 Ah that makes sense, I know he's a Dragon but I have yet to connect the why he's babysitting the archon, with the history of Dragons and Gods in Teyvat and all
I think this proves in my mind that Dendro Traveler was a fluke, being more powerful than Mihoyo expected (having a burst with a large aoe that lasted a good amount of time). Hydro Traveler could very well be the worst varient even after C6, but we have to see if future units will give a place for the Hydro MC. In terms of the Hydro Archon Furina I feel she be like Nahida and Raiden Shogon in terms of being a strong all around. However, while Shogun leans more as a on field DPS and Nahida a off field DPS, I think Furina will lean more into support, perhaps for other Fountaine hydro units but still being viable as a onfield DPS/driver and Sub DPS. Those are my thoughts.
Kinda leak but other fontaine hydro characters can use hydro traveler water orbs, maybe furina has them too, doesn't make the traveler much playable but its something
When I look at my Nilou bloom team, if I had to choose between a HMC or Candace, I’d rather have Candace since she can at least work well with Yaoyao, and because Traveler drains their own HP, he has the chance of taunting Yuegui’s Radishes from enemies. What I hate most about HMC is that there’s good meat on him, but without any structure to it they just… fall apart. A burst with good application and damage, but it moves too fast and doesn’t slow down. A skill that is interesting, but is held back by no movement opportunities AND short range
What people keep forgetting is that most Hydro units are 5 star characters. Before this, we had exactly 3 hydro characters that are four stars with only one of them being able to achieve for free (technically Xingqiu as well if you want to wait for the next Lantern festival). The point is, this means, even if you are wishing regularly, you might not have a lot of hydro characters since the pool for them is just very small. So getting a new Hydro character is actually really helpful for a lot of accounts that don't have a 5 star hydro unit. Now, that doesn't mean that the problems aren't there. I also think the fact that the burst moves is kind of dumb. If it were at least following enemies, it would make it somewhat usable in certain situations, but this way, it doesn't seem very important. His skill felt powerful to me at least (I still use the Dendro set on him, which was decent, but now I obviously don't get set boni) and even at lvl 2 with only a Favonius Sword (so more interested in ER than damage) the skill does good damage in the overworld. Meaning that you could build it as a strong one shot skill where Traveller only comes in, vapes his shot and switches out again (so basically the new skill artifact set with a Lion's Roar to boost the damage even further). But that also feels like you are only using half of his kit, so I am not quite sure what their intentions truly were.
Hydro mc, kokami, beidou, and zhongli seems like it would be an interesting comp to run. Sit there with heals and shields while blasting away. Become the turret you were always meant to be lol. If you have a different set up let me know, i was just throwing this comp together.
I'm using HMC with a tube sword-Fischl-Beidou-Kokomi right now, because i was using that team with DMC. But i gonna switch Kokomi with Barbara for her hydro buff. Biggest problem with HMC right now is a good team for them. Candace could infuse hydro, so hydro buffs you want to put on HMC would work with normal attacks too. Xiangling is an obvious choice, of course. Or Dehya for pyro AOE, but it's not that effective in practice. I feel, electro-charge is better with HMC than vaporize. You can put even Liza in the team for her AOE. Or maybe Kuki.
He (and to an extent Lynette) wasn't designed to be good, but designed to make you feel like you need other Pneuma-ousia characters that will feel better to play. They have so many problem that are obviously intentional or just bugs they can't be bothered to fix (e.g burst ignoring collision and going through walls/out of the abyss floor and the poor range). They feel like either a haphazardly designed character or a confirmation of the traveler is not meant to be good theory.
Make Traveler great again! No honestly. I think the community should unite in this case. I think it would be amazing if Hydro, Electro, Geo and Anemo Traveler would be updated.
There's so much that can be done for the traveler. Anemo burst can home to the nearest enemy instead of passing through them Geo can have more support capabilities inside the burst circle. The crit boost was going in the right direction but should also buff dmg even if it's small Electro shouldn't be energy hungry Hydro burst should stick to the enemy just like Ayaka Even if these buffs are only obtainable after maxing out the statues or final constellations, these are much appreciated by the community
When I unlocked hydro lad I was like "Yooo, he got Yusuke's rei gan! LET'S GOOO!!" then after killing half of Mondstadt with unupgraded finger guns I fired off the burst and slammed Alt+F4 faster than my dad did back in the day...
before watching this full video.. i'd say they made him bad on purpose so as to not step on their toes with the upcoming hydro characters, which sucks I mean cmon they knew what they were doing the moment they made that ult just do its own thing and run away... His kit with constellations is centered around holding E but the cooldown only starts after holding for like 6 seconds so then you have 10 seconds of downtime before you can do the pewpew again.. i'd understand if it scaled well but seriously.. the damage bonus is not even 1% of his max Hp until ridiculous investment? It's sad that we've reached a point where theyre purposefully putting out garbage to advertise gems later on.. for some reason this always happens to very anticipated characters too.. I won't call names.. "Cough" "Cough" Dehya "Ahem" yeah I've gotten to a point where I just dont even bother anymore, I'm AR 60 and enjoy the story but that's about it.
This reminds me of ver 2.1 when Kokomi is said to be the worst *5 in the game (dont worry I have her c6, I love her) which one of the argument is her jellyfish dont move so she is bad And now hoyo made a moving hydro applicator and everyone want the skill to not move 😂
The problem with hydro mc's burst is twofold: it doesnt stop moving and its aoe is too small. If an enemy stays inside its aoe for the whole duration the damage and application is actually good.
Keeping this theory in mind, the Traveller is waaaaay too nerfed version of archons. Anemo MC is nothing against Venti, Geo MC also has nothing compared to Zhongli, same with Electro and Dendro Don't worry, Furina will have much different and more powerful skillset.
I’m really disappointed how Hoyoverse did Hydro Traveler. That burst sucks ass, Imagine building up energy for so long in a fight, then proceed to somehow miss the enemies completely. Skill issues for me I know.
My problem with hydro travelers is that not only their skills are questionable, they are a support who needs a support so they won't die just from existing on the battlefield. Just because they're a free unit doesn't mean they should be that horrible. The electro, geo and anemo travelers aren't bad, there are just better options available. Dendro is the best and hydro travelers are straight up bad.
I think the traveler should get progressively stronger as you get through the story. Anemo, geo, electro, dendro followed that trend well enough to think it was intentional but then water traveler broke it. I was looking forward to pyro traveler being respectable and cyro traveler being a good character to build. Oh well.
Biggest issue to me here is not he's damage, many people see the small numbers and say oh it sucks it's too weak it does no damage but maths never lie, my traveler unbuffed does 5.5k per dewdrop, he fires a total of 22 of these during the channeling of it meaning 22x5.5k=121k damage only from the Dewdrops, add the torrent surge at the end of the cast which mine hits for 34k as of now it's still a huge 155k damage in 6 sec. And my talentts are still at 4/8/8 i need to max it, maybe i'll squeeze 6k or 7k per dewdrop. The problem here is these 6 secs, staying still while in a fight is often a bad idea, this is the 1st flaw of the Hydro Traveler, the second flaw is the dewdrop in itself no being a piercing type of skill... By that i mean, on the 1st target the Dewdrop will collide against it will stop right there, meaning it's not a great skill for multitarget fights. And finally one last thing i found kinda disapointing is his C6. I know we don't have it yet, but we will get it, and let's be honest, his C6 on paper is a great idea however not brought to completion correctly. Healing your party part of the C6 is a great idea, healing 1 single person per sourcewater taken, is a less great idea... Honestly, i always played the traveler and always will, and heck i even cleared the abyss with his Hydro element while he was still with talents at 1/1/1 and no constellations, but i do must say, i hope they do buff him a little, and it doesn't need much to it. Honestly i've even submitted to Hoyoverse's suggestion tab into the game for ideas of how to make it feel better, and my ideas were: 1- Make the dewdrops piercing bullets. They will continue on a straight line doing damage to every enemy they come across and not stop at the 1st enemy it touches, this would power up his multitarget capabilities a lot, specially in freeze comps 2- Shortening the channeling. Basically what they simply could do is: Instead of 22 bullets with multiplier of 59% on 6 sec it could be 11 bullets with a multiplier of 118% in 3 secs, no need to touch the torrent surge it's damage is good enough but make the channeling shorter for christs sake... 3- C6 heals everyone in the party. If they allow the watersource to heal the full party, hydro traveler could be paired up with a shielder whose shield is not that strong and become a pseudo healer for the party, this would had been a very interesting concept to have a DPS that can actually keeps their party alive with a small help of a weak shielder. Or even better, if they did that he could become one of Dehya's best partners I honestly don't even mind his moving burst, the moment you get C2 if you place yourself correctly you can squeeze a good amount of damage from it, as for its cost in energy i found pretty confortable to have around 160% ER with him and 1 extra hydro teamate, my traveler often gets enough energy to use his burst right after it comes out of CD. If more players would go to Hoyoverse's suggestion box perhaps they would do something, i don't know, i sent these ideas, but i know there's a 99.999% chance that of course nothing is going to happen... Unless a massive amount of Traveler players bend together a flood their suggestion box with others ideas then... who knows... they might do something, not like the Dehya incident where instead of using this suggestion section people went cry on twitter... they dont read their twitter they just use it to post news about the game the real place to go for chances of changes is their feedback section in the game. Sorry for the long post
Honestly I haven’t played with Hydro Traveler all that match and i’ve came back to Genshin after being on and off for a few weeks. But what I’ve seen him do, you know these suggestions are pretty good.
eerr... my traveler does about the same damage in this 6 seconds just using shenhe's quills while shreds cryo res for the team and without needing to stuck the party for 6 consecutive secs... i can see the effort to make him viable but we do have to admit hoyo f.up on purpose with him
@@linmayo790 Maybe not on purpose, they might release in 4.1 a dedicated artifact set for him, his kit is a reduced version of Neuvilettes Kit (not the archon for once) with high probabilities they also might release a adapted artifact set for both. Honestly i've been using him on a freeze team with both Ganyu, Mona and Layla. As of now this comp works pretty well and will work even better when his C6 gets out. But i really do keep hope Hoyoverse might buff him again with a bit of luck
Hydro traveler's elemental skill could've been a charged shot like Bronya's cannon in Honkai impact 3rd along with the burst functioning like a stationary black hole pulling enemies in.
Hydro has the most competitive roster. I knew he wouldn't be able to compete with the best, but didn't expect the easily worst hydro unit in game I feel like if the e had minimal cooldown it would have made him a decent hydro applier , and the sniperbloom comp would actually be really interesting
I could be that our traveler will get a upgrade in his skills through out the story because there seems to be something wrong with the hydro power in fontaine. At first there was a weird new interaction with paimon at the goddes statue after talking to it and second childes hydro got cancelt too. So there is a possibility that we get a buff in ousia or pneumia something like that
The probable reason why traveler skills are mediocre is mihoyo don't want you to have a free OP character to begin with. But the bad thing about this is, there are tons of 4 star that is considered 5 star OP mine will be ninguang and xinqui.
At least Dehya is no longer lonely...
lol u monster
True, but sad.
LMAO
I mean he's not wrong. This is probably the worst version of the MC
Hydro travler is cuphead ngl.
The trick with Hydro MC is that when you go to Sumeru and change to Dendro, they become waaaay better
backwards evolution 😁
@@coolbath8313it's the first time where this term is actually working
Here's a better trick: Don't switch from Dendro at all
I think the trick and lore is that he is good underwater so just made it so bad when out of there
omg this hack worked! my hydro mc is saved! thank you!
I just realized they could've just make their burst the same as Ayaka's where it stops moving when it hits a large opponent but no, they just made it weird.
Because they don't want anyone to use MC, they want people to spend money
Thats why dendro MC will always the best!
@@olyabutorina6869lame excuse dendro mc is good but people still pulled for nahida
@@meisterowlart8007 DMC was only good since dendro was new and they needed to show how great the reactions are. If the element was introduced in the game's release, it probably would've been worse.
@@olyabutorina6869Then I hope Hoyoverse creates an alternative version or skin that is stronger than his classic version, I will buy it. I really don't like how he treats the Traveler, it's annoying. .
I was shocked when the burst just peaces out of existance and yeets itself off the map😂
😂 true
🤣
The first time I used it, it phased into the ground within the span of a second. I didn't even get to see the burst doing its thing. Because it went into the GROUND. I never used hydro traveler again lol
Lmao
After seeing that Dendro Traveller was actually good, they decided to balance it out by giving us the abomination that is the Hydro Traveller 😂.
"Hmmm, Dendro mc is good. Maybe too good. We should make the rest of them bad so we get more money from character banners"
Perhaps they really overtuned Dendro as a whole and are now reacting too hard in the opposite direction.
Dendro traveler is good simply because of how overtuned dendro as a element is.
@@aprentice.mastersno? His kit is coherent and actually great, DMC is an amazing support and still have one of the best off field dendro application, only behind Nahida
The other 8 dendro characters aren't as impressive off field
@@San-cb9mjexcuse me? Baizhu with Ocean Hued artifacts is actually insane. Baizhu has a passive that buffs dendro reactions and ocean hued allows me to deal 30k damage per heal. At C1 his skill gets an extra charge. So if you time it right, you can deal 30k damage every 3.5 seconds as a healer. A really good healer at that, who consistenly applies dendro. Not including his burst that can ramp up healing and damage even more.
Also have you never tried Tighnari? Tighnari is a very good single target dendro dps. There's more to dendro than Nahida. It seems like you either havent built them very well or havent even played them. Alhaitham is also a crazy good DPS... like dendro characters literally open the door to a bunch of strong reactions. Even the weakest of the dendro characters are usually not very weak in terms of the game.
Your comment seems to come from a lack of knowledge or experience with Dendro and I suggest you try them out with good builds. Dendro characters are crazy good for elemental reactions
And as for off field? Baizhus burst is off field, tighnari's skill literally will take away enemy aggro, alhaitham can burst and stay off field, even collei has off field use. Dendro characters are great for off field skills, you just have to learn how to use them. Not every character needs to be off field dps or elemental application to be good off field. Tighnari's skill can be used while he's not even built and be extremely useful
*I was shocked to see how bad Hydro Traveler is after we've had something decent with Dendro MC... It really makes me worried about Pyro MC* 😭
Chill bro it hasn't even been a week since Fontaine
@@AyJeyDeeI mean his hydro kit is really bad tho. I don’t even mind this 3 skill but his ult is truly unacceptable
@@AyJeyDee yes I know but nothing will change the lackluster kit, not even a better artifact set. Its just a bit sad because it looked fun in theory
@@ballistic_1607 that's what I mean. I'd say if the burst at least would trap the enemies for a sec or two it would be a bit better but like this its definitely lackluster
dont forget electro
Hoyoverse: "It's fine. No one uses the traveler anyway."
Me who uses Aether in quests/openworld for immersion: 😢
I loved having traveler in my team for a change, with dendro, you're right, because of immersion.. sad they're not viable enough anymore
I use Lumine for the same reason, and what makes me kinda sad is that the Hydro Traveller had so much potential but Hoyo couldn't bother to actually use it. The issue of not being able to move while holding the E could easily be solved, and same goes for the unstoppable (in a bad way) burst. I'm still gonna use Hydro Lumine in the open world because her skill is very fun for me, I'm just a bit bummed out that they did her dirty like that. She deserves better😭
man it sad for use who use traveler enjoyer
i use anemo traveler, i really like it tbh. it may be because its my only anemo aside from succrose but i really find him useful
@darianstarfrog Honestly I wish they would make him viable as a main damage dealer.
Caelum/Stelle is actually usable on the Path of Destruction and an amazing(unless you have a better tank, like Gepard) Fire Preservation Character.
And that is the thing, SR MC is actually usable. Yes, there are better options, but you can use him reliably without having to jump through hoops(or sending all your savings to Hoyo) unlike with the Traveler.
My main complaint with the burst isn’t the damage, not even the drastic energy requirements, but instead that the bubble doesn’t trap enemies like the hydro abyss mage bubbles do. I was really hoping that the bubble would trap enemies in it and keep them in the bubble as it moved along
or at least stunt the enemies like Mona burst does.
or at least just stay in the initial cast place instead of fleeing to God nowhere
But that would require effort to develop, they usually just rehash stuff (*cough* Azhdaha’s water bubbles *cough*)
@@Kaiji...bruh they just needed to copy ayaka burst movement but they didn't want to compete with ayato/childe
@@asoretdont worry, neuvillette competes with them both and from what ive heard, neuvillette will powercreep them
The dendro traveler was so good that mihoyo decided that they gotta give the hydro traveller a bad skillset
yall dont realise that they made him this way just to be overshadowed by neuvillette who does exactly that same thing he does just better in every way
@@oliverstoica4341I think trav was a test dummy for Neuvilette lol
No one gonna do gacha if the traveler kit are actually good, i can just imagine genshin goes bangkrupt cause people just speedrunning with aether
@fikrifahrizal482 tf you mean I bet they'd still make millions off banners
@@fikrifahrizal482you forget this is a anime game
Imma just be honest, as a traveler main, who went through maxing talents and is dedicating to max the future elements, Imma just say, Hydro Traveler is "One step forward -2 steps backwards Anemo Traveler".
His kit is exactly the same, word for word, bar for bar, aesthetic to aesthetic. The only difference is that, once again (Whoever convinced hoyo to remove the N5 infusion attack, I hope both sides of your pillow are warm during a very hot night).
It's one step forward because the element is now hydro, opening room for more chances at damage numbers going up, especially since Basic Vaporize>Reverse Vaporize
It's two steps backwards because they took the aspects of anemo traveler that we managed to work around, and killed it.
I can understand hoyo wanting to design free characters in a way that there's a lot of reasons to go for the banner characters...but it's the same case with Xinyan, Dori, Dehya and most especially Aloy.
Please Hoyo, just do better.
Yeah, why Dehya is so bad if she isn't a free character? I mean, Diluc and Tighnari are also standard 5* but they are still at least somewhat good.
Also Dori and Xinyan are limited 4* and then there we have Xiangling who just fit in so many teams while being a free character basically (at least C0).
It's been 3 years already and we still can't swap out our Xiangling, Bennet and Xinqiu! Why Hoyo can't make new 4* better or at least at the same level as those 3? People are tired from using them! We have 70 characters already, and there's so many of them that are benched even though they are new characters.
There are so many questionable decisions that Hoyo makes....
@@olyabutorina6869 None of the 4* are limited. They're all in the Standard banner.
@@olyabutorina6869 Yes! What's so wrong about making good and fun characters who either free or easy to get. I have played Honkai Impact 3rd for a little while, and they gave free Herrscher of Void as a beginner log in reward. They have clearly done it in the past and free Fun characters is always nice. They don't have to be the best. But, they can be fun to play.
I really disliked that they did Candece dirty. Aesthetic wise, she instantly became one of my favourite designs. I was willing to sacrifice even if she was kind of bad compared to Xinque. But she was sort of unusable and not just bad, compared to Xinque.
Yeah, giving fun traveller and good new characters without just simply power cryping the old ones should be one of their priorities to make the game fun. But I don't know why they thought it was a bad idea.
Hey, fello traveller main here. I do think that they did a lot of questionable to Hydro Traveller. But, at least they made him fun, compared to other travellers.
Sure, Dendro traveller was very strong, but it wasn't too fun for me. His skill was, while useful and easy, but boring. His burst was kind of enjoyable though, mostly because it's strong.
The Hydro version has a more fun mechanic. And as a Traveller main, he is a better suited for a DPS character. Even though his damage is not that high, but it's enough high to keep up with my other DPS (Not saying much, because it's Crescent Pike Zhongli with Gladiator). So I made the 3 archon Hydro Traveller team. It's fun to use this on the over world.
But I need to say, Hydro Traveller burst is just a head ache and doesn't even look aesthetically pleasing. And why does it have 80 energy cost!? Even the Tornado has 60 energy. Which is in my opinion the worst traveller's burst. I find Anemo to be the worst, I enjoy all other travellers. (Probably because I don't use VV shred)
So I don't let the Hydro burst bother me, I just throw it in there for some Damage while I continue to bloom with Traveller's skill.
Honkai devs are different from genshit devs, I truly believe a faction of the genshin really hate their jobs and is taking it out on making these terrible design choices, ffs it took star rail 3 months what it's currently taking genshin 3 years to do@@LordNNero
I think this is one of the time where we as a community need to let mihoyo know that this is truly unacceptable and they need to redesign him.
hoyo would hardly ever redesign their characters or equipment
the one time they did (zhongli) was because zhongli is, after all, the god of the nation mirroring china, and you know what would happen if hoyo enrages the chinese government
hoyo simp not gonna take it. they will think any criticize even construction critic is intention to destroy their beloved game.
If dehya wasn't redesigned why would they change him, traveler ain't from liyue
yeah like others have said Traveler is free and he's not from Genshin China, nothing will improve with him sadly.
@coriakacoron5851
Majority of Chinese players get mad = hoyo listens
That's exactly what happened with zhongli
And they barely reworked him he just got buffed from an underwhelming unit to a decent one.
Hoyo in kit/gameplay design has one of the laziest i've ever seen and they don't even bother to fix clunky animations let alone reworking a unit
They even don't give that much skins compared to their other gacha game
They don't listen while they're popular That's all
Okay I just realized, Anemo and Geo traveler sort of mirrored the archons skills ( venti and zhongli ) and this hydro traveler makes me feel both scared and worried abt furina LOL
well they both gonna have drain and gain hp mechanic so ye
Electro recover energy like raiden but in a really weird way and Dendro ult interacts with Hydro Electro Pyro like Nahida’s burst interaction with elemental typing of the team so yeah… i hope furina just mirrors the life draining part lol
No way they gonna mess up an archon, if it happens then they gonna do same thing they did for Zhongli
Traveler doesn’t mirror the archons, at all. The only thing is general things like what the element’s specialty is: anemo= grouping( but traveler heals while venti doesn’t; their animations aren’t similar either), geo = shield and constructs (Traveler is not played like a shielder while zhongli is), electro= energy recharge and off field electro( can’t say since I don’t play electro lumine), dendro = dendro applications and elemental buff( again traveler cant do it as well just like how anemo traveler cant group in one place, plus traveler needs burst for proper consistent dendro application like collei). Furina is going to be wayyyy better if they are anything alike.
why do people keep saying Traveller mirrors the Archons. Their skills don't look alike, their bursts don't look alike and their playstyle don't look alike. There's like 5% similarity.
We get this as a main character.
Shoots water bubbles.
Main character in Honkai Star Rail.
Baseball bat and a giant flaming Lance.
Fr tho, I know HSR has just started months ago but Trailblazer is still relevant gameplay-wise even now. I can't wait for their next path.
I wouldn't have minded if the burst bounced off walls entirely and pinballed around the map, but Hoyo decided to troll us
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention this one cool trick the only hydro traveler can do.
So here's the trick:
Once you get the hydro traveler, open the map and go to sumeru. There, you can change back the element to dendro.
you got me lol
I wish that every element was on par with Dendro Traveler. Dendro Traveler is cool, fun, and just well rounded. Good support capabilities with nice Dendro application and off field DPS. He's not clunky like the other elements, Hydro now included. Just disappointed.
There was so much protentional to make hydro traveler cool and really useful. Imagine if his skill instead cast a hydro orb that would float next to you and shoot out those hydro projectiles. His ult could have been really good if it was just like a whirlpool sphere of water you could place down that would lightly suck up enemies and deal some decent damage.
Basically all he needed to do was do what Dendro Traveler did, provide some decent element application.
Elemental Reaction game with less reaction, what a hoyo game.
Electro Traveler is an underrated support.
Skill that requires you to stand still for a millenia to properly use. Burst that has worse functionality than Anemo traveller because it can’t even suck, OR stop when hitting a wall or geo construct. You can see the full creativity of Mihoyo for their best-selling game, Genshin Impact.
Genshin is probably their cash grab meanwhile the honkais are the real deal for them
@@Nick-tz3kethis was def true from 3.1 onwards lmao, all desert
Making him able to move while using his skill would make him so much better
mihoyo just doesn't care too mc its free after all😅
@@zoaero nah, other mc's are free too but their kit is actually decent. I dont find any other reason why would they make genshin mc, d tier
Hydro Traveler's Elemental Skill is Cool, but his Elemental Burst is Kinda Lame
Kinda? I've seen garbage look better than hydro mc's Burst
nah bro, the burst is STRAIGHT UP "GARBAGE" ngl
Garbage = MC's Burst
FR i just wish it just stays in one place!!
both lame. genshin's dev are running out of idea
"Let the skill pierce the enemies and burst stop when hitting an enemy."
Hoyo: "Let the skill stop when hitting an enemy and burst pierce the enemies, got it. Thanks for your suggestion :)"
*THIS.*
I love Hydro Traveler's tap E. I feel like using Cero if the enemies is on straight line and it can vape very easily. He is really fun in the open world
I love the elemental skill although the range is sad but what made me laugh hard was the burst, I was expecting it to have the same effect as ayaka's burst but nah, the burst passed through the enemies and went to bed early because I only had him in C1
If only he had a constellation that allowed the burst to slow down when affecting enemies or allowing it to circle around the character. The 1st change would synergize well with ayaka’s burst whereas the 2nd change would allow for a lot more application and could would perfectly with xiangling
He does, its his C2, but I'd rather have it stay in on place
It should home
The 2nd idea is literally asking to copy-paste Azhdaha's Hydro infusion. Hydro traveler even has the same animation entity of the orb as Azhdaha's. I think it's better if it just homes in on nearest enemy, chasing whichever is closest, or even allowing the orb to heal characters in its vicinity
@@flamezforthegamez1056 Xiao is the same as well, they also copied Childe's ability in delusional mode in the 2nd phase boss fight.
Circling around would have been good
Traveler having a healing ability and awkward kit is just foreshadowing him becoming a full blown healer in future. That way, the trolling will be complete
Genshin is carried by supports tho
a 3 star Bennet would work lol
being a healer would actually make her useful but no, she is doomed to be either dendro or nothing
Actually, I wanted to see the Traveler as a hydro healer. This way, I could easily include him on any of my teams.
But no, he has that weird Fontaine mechanic of dropping hitpoints around and picking them up afterwards.
Reminds me a lot of Anemo traveler - Tornado keeps on rolling, just like this one.
Channel attack is a pull and powerful hit for Anemo, and for Hydro, it shoots at what looks about the same range with a a powerful final hit.
Just not... up to snuff I suppose
At least AMC has his own tech to utilize the tornado, unlike this braindead HMC..
atleast the tornado sucks enemy and does elemental absorption and swirl, compare to this bubble burst that dont give a f..
The tornado still can be manageable by making it hugging a wall or smth (atleast you can play around it in abyss)
But this bs just ignores the invisible wall in abyss and goes outside of the domain
Well he/she doesn't benefit them
So the kits are straight up random 4stars.
I'm pretty sure if dendro wasn't a new element they would somehow manage to f him/her up as well.
Anemo traveler burst is actually quite fun imo, and the elemental skill feels like you casting a rasengan
like Ryu's Shinkuu Hydrouken 😋😋
9Some buffs to help Hydro traveller
1. Elemental Skill - They need to increase the distance/ Range of hit
2. Elemental Burst - It is similar to Anemo Traveler, but it carries small Enemies that work there. It's not working with Hydro Burst. It needs to carry small enemies / stop at enemies / Pulls Enemies like Kazuha.
3. Passive - Just remove the number 5000 ( The Power Level should be OVER 9000 !!! ) ( Not 5000 )
Hydro Traveler is fun. But I would be satisfied if they made these 3 changes.
I just wanna main the traveler since the launch but sadly hoyo did not give him a chance with any element... which is weird cos they did the opposite with the star rail
As an anemo, he is great for starters since you don't get anemo until you start wishing or hit level 25 for Lynette and even then, Anemo MC has pretty good grouping mechanic, considering his flaws of course.
Geo MC is decent in a geo resonance team since he does a decent amount of damage and can provide crit buff. Gorou + Geo Main dps like Ning, Itto or C6 Noelle or even Albedo will make him a solid burst support.
Electro Mc is pretty bad. He is very niche to provide er and only er with some off field electro application in his burst.
Dendro mc imo only loses out to Nahida for bloom team and the second best dendro off field applicator, just behind Nahida, which is pretty good depending if you have Nahida or not.
So far to me Hydro Mc only real application is that he is a free ousia character.
I have an alt account where I primarily use free and event characters and in every archon and story quest, I must use the Traveler in the element of the region he is in... granted to say, I'm not looking forward to play fontaine with this account.
I'm thinking freeze team but it is still very copium... maybe vape team once I get a free bennett
I'm a Traveler main since I started playing, and honestly I just accept the fact that he'll never be the best at anything and enjoy maining him anyways 😅
@@alexiasrei3594 i got to a point were my traveller does the most damage that if i were to switch it would not work
@@alexiasrei3594I completely agree with you lol
And here I thought they'd learn that making an MC that's good won't harm their sales with Dendro MC
idk many some people didn't pull Nahida because dendro mc was good enough
@@asoret
Nahida’s banner was the third highest in revenue back then.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko yes because she's the archon and she is busted but alot of people inclunding me didn't pull because dendro mc work good enough and "wasting" 140 wish for some damage is not that good when you can have other char for more team
@@papiertoilette-pb9lf
So, DMC didn’t hamper sales. That’s the point.
Not to mention, everybody now has a Xingqiu. So what’s the point in pulling for more hydro characters?
See what I mean? HMC is in a space full of already good characters that many possess. So, even if Hydro Traveler was decent, it wouldn’t be the reason why sales are down ( which largely depends on the character itself; if they want more sales, simply make strong/useful characters ).
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko yes it did because the other dendro char, Baizhu and Alhaitham, are really low and Alhaitham only did 10M on his first appearence so not even more than albedo... like i said nahida only did more because she was the archon (venti is litteraly at 16M alone on the rerun even tho he's not meta or that good) and even better than mc dendro by alot but Alhaitham is not miles better than mc dendro. If hydro mc was better then nobody will pull for neuvilette which has the same kit but a lil better which will not be enough to justify the 140 pull. The hydro archon on the other hand will be pulled anyways because she's an archon, we will see how the banner goes but the sales show that for now
3 buffs for the traveler that I think would make it game changing.
Major damage reduction while siphoning hp, so when you lose hp from the skill, you basically are invulnerable
Burst homes on enemies
Particles from skill are increased based on hits and don’t need to land the final blast. Or an increase in energy generated based on siphoned hp.
Hoyoverse CEO: How bad do we want to make Hydro Traveler’s kit?
Character Designer: *YES!* It’s my moment to shine.
He got CC types skill in Nation of freedom
He got strong defensive skill in Liyue with some extra crit rate buff
He got Energy Recharge from Inazuma
He got Very good amount of Dendro application and long range burst which can create many different mechanic for him to fight
He literally became Self dps in fontaine and has shield and healing capacity.
I hope you also see a pattern that he gains every single Archon ability in him and in the end it may become overpowered (just imagine having 7 Archon main ability in him and how much overpowered he will become even if it's low version of them)
My copium theory is that at some point we'll get an upgraded version of the traveller where all their skills and bursts will be better.
They were just playing the long game, giving us a nerfed version knowing it would be improved later. And the 5 star rating will finally make sense
i dont know why but i feel we deserve an energy recharge bonus when touching anemo statue of the seven... as well shield strenght with geo, elemental mastery with electro, elemental damage and resistance with dendro, healing received and bonus with hydro, atk hp def with pyro and crit damage/chance with cryo
dendro traveller just becomes nahida then fr
@part-timestudentofswordnoo1812 If Traveller gets buffed i will come back here to see your reaction, i know it's futile to hope they will make them good but one can dream
That sounds like a lot of work for Mihoyo, which they definitely will not do
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about an after the fact buff, but that the traveller was designed to have like a second version. Full power ya know?
And I don't think it would be that hard at all. Adjust the multipliers a little bit and add a feature or two. Even if they were overhauled, that would not be ton of work for a company that size.
Hydro traveler is symbolism for the representation of water's true nature. cool to look at, useful in applications, shit when managing
Something I've noticed with the travelers is that they are usually a mini version of the archon. So we can kinda get a rough version of the hydro archon's kit from how the travelers work.
The archon will probably have either or both underwater skill such as that repel and slash skill that you get from underwater mobs. Also that bubble skill aswell so we have 3 actually
they're really not tho and hteir kit is more like neuvillette anyways
@@Number-n1 That would be cool for her kit, I think she'll at least have a focus in healing because of the travelers one constellation that lets them heal other party members. So a healer dps.
*Hands the Traveler a bat*
Trailblazer: "Repeat after me, rules are meant to be broken."
- Mom can we have Neuvilette?
- No we have Neuvilette at home
Neuvilette at home:
Genshin players 2020: Cool I cant wait for Hydro Traveler to be a healer
Hydro Traveler:
I had low expectation for Hydro Traveler but holy crap!
Heres what my version of how would i imagine hydro mc if it eas better.
Skill
Tap:
--Same animation like the tap ability of hmc
--opponents who get hit will get their hp absorbed slowly while the hp drained turns into a shield,providing heals and a shield for the current character on field.
Hold:enters an aiming state similar to mika's hold skill.
Marks up to 5 enemies
--same as the tap skill effect,but with more accuracy and aoe,the hp shield and heals scale on how many enemies are there + travler's hp.
Burst:
Creates a hydro bubble,but this time it follows enemies and has better speed, while also shooting 2 hydro bullets every 1 sec
Hydro traveller burst is basically Anemo traveler without the grouping effect. If it stayed in one place and lasts longer, it would have made Hydro traveller a great hydro applicator for people who don't have Kokomi, Mona, etc
Hoyoverse: Sir, we forgot to create a plan for Hydro Traveler. So we just used the anemo mechanics but made it Hydro.
Manager: Hydro who?
Dendro traveler was such an upgrade... I mean, I'm using hydro traveler for exploring but yeah, after dendro this feels like a bad joke.
if you've been to the abyss recently, you know that even with a shield, standing still means death.
They made him a peashooter 😭
I love how the burst just....f*cked off into the distance 😂.
It's actually what Dehya's burst was looking for. Hydro MC was made for Dehya!
Imagine Hydro MC's movement at C2 is slow. Enough for Dehya's burst to chase down Enemies she's punching
Good point
Interesting that you mention that, cause I saw another video talking about how Dehya’s skill becomes very useful for underwater travel.
The way I will change the kit to make it prolly better in some way but yknow not the same.
Elemental Skill
- Drops a water turret in a location that continuously shoots water droplets. Upon drop, the elemental skill takes off 35% of the traveler's max HP. It has a duration of 10 seconds and a cooldown of 16 with a 6 second downtime. At the end of the duration, the hydro turret explodes healing team members of 30% Max HP of Traveler+680. (You can only press the skill, no hold) (Also drops an Ousia Ball and applies Ousia related mechanisms Ousia energy.)
Stats
Damage - 15%+10% Traveler's HP
Explosion Heal - 30% max HP+680
Duration - 10 seconds
Cooldown - 16 Seconds
HP Drain - 35% Max HP
Elemental Burst
- Summons a water circle on the ground. In the water circle, a hydro water ball will circle around the area inside the circle. The Hydro water ball will deal Hydro DMG to enemies contacting the Hydro Water Ball and will be affected by Hydro. Additionally, characters contacting the hydro water ball will be healed by 45% Traveler's max HP+ 720. At the end of the duration the Hydro Water Ball will explode affecting everything near it with Hydro.
Stats
Hydro Water Ball DMG- 75% per hit + 25% traveller's max HP
HWB Heal - 45% max HP + 720
Duration - 10 seconds
Cooldown - 20 seconds
Burst Energy Cost - 70
they’re suppose to make his kit bad to force u to pull for better characters + its mostly intended for exploration to its respective region and help with puzzles
"pull for better characters" yet still to this day the best hydro applicator is Xingqiu
that iight, i'mma head out had me dying. I replayed it about 5 times dwl.
You know what, it be awesome if Hydro Traveler's burst can be sucked and be pulled by characters that has pulling abilities. Imagine having Venti burst and be sucked by it, plus has a bit advantage over kokomi's jelly fish because it can be resositioned by dragging it via pull from anemo characters
Finally barbara will have a bestie in the 'unused hydro characters' prison cell
Hydro MC is supposed to be the basic version of the corresponding archon, it looks like any improvement in furina 's kit would be greatly appreciated 😅
the burst might be good for “sabotage the slime ballon” commission
hydro traveler: water gun, throws water orb, picks up water... droplets?? neuvillette: BIG ASS WATERGUN, ult has something to do with droplets; so... my traveler is just budget neuvillette. okay hoyo, i see what you're doing this time...
Weird...they usually give the traveler a watered down version (pun intended) of the Archons kit....maybe Furina isnt really the hydro archon 😮
@@pepelarrza3877 That also got me questioning. I doubt Neu is the Archon but this kit similarities kinda makes me questions Furina's true authority
that gets us even more confirmed that neuvillette is the hydro dragon
@@itsdioandnNeuvillette is the ancient Water Dragon they talk about in the story for a bit, or at least one of them. And he's basically a babysitter for Furina, as she is one of the newer Archons, and not one of the original Seven. So Neuvillette does have more authority at the moment, as he's essentially Furina's guardian.
@@lunaria7067 Ah that makes sense, I know he's a Dragon but I have yet to connect the why he's babysitting the archon, with the history of Dragons and Gods in Teyvat and all
This is what happens when you make your 100 million production cost back in two weeks.
I think this proves in my mind that Dendro Traveler was a fluke, being more powerful than Mihoyo expected (having a burst with a large aoe that lasted a good amount of time). Hydro Traveler could very well be the worst varient even after C6, but we have to see if future units will give a place for the Hydro MC.
In terms of the Hydro Archon Furina I feel she be like Nahida and Raiden Shogon in terms of being a strong all around. However, while Shogun leans more as a on field DPS and Nahida a off field DPS, I think Furina will lean more into support, perhaps for other Fountaine hydro units but still being viable as a onfield DPS/driver and Sub DPS. Those are my thoughts.
Kinda leak but other fontaine hydro characters can use hydro traveler water orbs, maybe furina has them too, doesn't make the traveler much playable but its something
And trolling us as well with memory error CRASHING AND NOT STARTING the 4th update ago...
When I look at my Nilou bloom team, if I had to choose between a HMC or Candace, I’d rather have Candace since she can at least work well with Yaoyao, and because Traveler drains their own HP, he has the chance of taunting Yuegui’s Radishes from enemies. What I hate most about HMC is that there’s good meat on him, but without any structure to it they just… fall apart. A burst with good application and damage, but it moves too fast and doesn’t slow down. A skill that is interesting, but is held back by no movement opportunities AND short range
as an AR60. i dont feel ascending character anymore. if all people think like me. hoyo will go bankrupt
What people keep forgetting is that most Hydro units are 5 star characters. Before this, we had exactly 3 hydro characters that are four stars with only one of them being able to achieve for free (technically Xingqiu as well if you want to wait for the next Lantern festival). The point is, this means, even if you are wishing regularly, you might not have a lot of hydro characters since the pool for them is just very small. So getting a new Hydro character is actually really helpful for a lot of accounts that don't have a 5 star hydro unit.
Now, that doesn't mean that the problems aren't there. I also think the fact that the burst moves is kind of dumb. If it were at least following enemies, it would make it somewhat usable in certain situations, but this way, it doesn't seem very important. His skill felt powerful to me at least (I still use the Dendro set on him, which was decent, but now I obviously don't get set boni) and even at lvl 2 with only a Favonius Sword (so more interested in ER than damage) the skill does good damage in the overworld. Meaning that you could build it as a strong one shot skill where Traveller only comes in, vapes his shot and switches out again (so basically the new skill artifact set with a Lion's Roar to boost the damage even further). But that also feels like you are only using half of his kit, so I am not quite sure what their intentions truly were.
as per tradition, i always build the Traveler to explore new region.
Is it sad that I thought since the burst looks like a whirlpool that I thought he'd be a hydro a crowd controller.
3:42 The way it just fell down😭😭
Hydro mc, kokami, beidou, and zhongli seems like it would be an interesting comp to run. Sit there with heals and shields while blasting away. Become the turret you were always meant to be lol. If you have a different set up let me know, i was just throwing this comp together.
I'm using HMC with a tube sword-Fischl-Beidou-Kokomi right now, because i was using that team with DMC. But i gonna switch Kokomi with Barbara for her hydro buff. Biggest problem with HMC right now is a good team for them. Candace could infuse hydro, so hydro buffs you want to put on HMC would work with normal attacks too. Xiangling is an obvious choice, of course. Or Dehya for pyro AOE, but it's not that effective in practice. I feel, electro-charge is better with HMC than vaporize. You can put even Liza in the team for her AOE. Or maybe Kuki.
Pickups in genshin always mean they are trolling
He (and to an extent Lynette) wasn't designed to be good, but designed to make you feel like you need other Pneuma-ousia characters that will feel better to play. They have so many problem that are obviously intentional or just bugs they can't be bothered to fix (e.g burst ignoring collision and going through walls/out of the abyss floor and the poor range). They feel like either a haphazardly designed character or a confirmation of the traveler is not meant to be good theory.
Why Are You Running
-The Traveler to his burst probably
You could say that the video ended with a splash.
I only use her for exploring Fontaine but I have never felt so ashamed for insulting my Lumine by making her hydro :,)
Make Traveler great again!
No honestly.
I think the community should unite in this case.
I think it would be amazing if Hydro, Electro, Geo and Anemo Traveler would be updated.
Finally someone who wants to make traveller strong.
There's so much that can be done for the traveler.
Anemo burst can home to the nearest enemy instead of passing through them
Geo can have more support capabilities inside the burst circle. The crit boost was going in the right direction but should also buff dmg even if it's small
Electro shouldn't be energy hungry
Hydro burst should stick to the enemy just like Ayaka
Even if these buffs are only obtainable after maxing out the statues or final constellations, these are much appreciated by the community
Yes, make a banner for Pyro MC, so that there is profit
Love how we’re omitting dendro as everyone knows dendro traveler is still pretty good
Or you MC mains can pay hoyoverse to make it happen, money is their love language
They really took mc's anemo burst and said "yeah let's do that again."
The burst is like nihility AEON😂
tru
the different is one is nihility, the other is just straight up "nihil" in everything🤣
Ty for mentioning the hitbox of the traveler's E.
Both the tap and dew drops can literally miss if the enemy is right in front of you 😭
Surely the traveller is going to get a major upgrade in the Fontaine story causing his powers to be extremely usable. SURELY SURELY SURELY
No... Just don't get your hopes up 😔
How about +3 atk?
dehya coomers: hey that's our line
@@olyabutorina6869 +3% healing bonus
When I unlocked hydro lad I was like "Yooo, he got Yusuke's rei gan! LET'S GOOO!!" then after killing half of Mondstadt with unupgraded finger guns I fired off the burst and slammed Alt+F4 faster than my dad did back in the day...
before watching this full video.. i'd say they made him bad on purpose so as to not step on their toes with the upcoming hydro characters, which sucks I mean cmon they knew what they were doing the moment they made that ult just do its own thing and run away... His kit with constellations is centered around holding E but the cooldown only starts after holding for like 6 seconds so then you have 10 seconds of downtime before you can do the pewpew again.. i'd understand if it scaled well but seriously.. the damage bonus is not even 1% of his max Hp until ridiculous investment? It's sad that we've reached a point where theyre purposefully putting out garbage to advertise gems later on.. for some reason this always happens to very anticipated characters too.. I won't call names.. "Cough" "Cough" Dehya "Ahem" yeah I've gotten to a point where I just dont even bother anymore, I'm AR 60 and enjoy the story but that's about it.
Let's just wait and see what Focalors has to show. 😌
As soon as I saw the travelers E, I knew for sure he's gonna be fun to play
as soon as I saw the traveller's Q, I knew for sure he's gonna be worse to play 😢
@@Twentizz we can pretend his Q doesn't exist
@@seina9384fr, if we did it for yoimiya we can do it for him too lol
@@seina9384 hope we don't see the Q exists lol
as a mobile user, no. so much to drag here
I honestly do not care about how good or bad hydro traveler is, a funny water gun is a funny water gun
Not gonna lie, if hydro mc’s burst DIDNT MOVE it could have been decent 😔
yeah if it didn't move and have more time onfield
i believe the burst needs more than just "didnt move" to be at least "decent"
that or make it seek enemies
@@kison7715 it does have decent scaling
They’re never going to get the memo
I love how everyone feels that aether and lumine are being done dirty
This reminds me of ver 2.1 when Kokomi is said to be the worst *5 in the game (dont worry I have her c6, I love her) which one of the argument is her jellyfish dont move so she is bad
And now hoyo made a moving hydro applicator and everyone want the skill to not move 😂
The problem with hydro mc's burst is twofold: it doesnt stop moving and its aoe is too small. If an enemy stays inside its aoe for the whole duration the damage and application is actually good.
The lack of effort genshin puts into traveler bc (s)he is free is AGGRAVATING!
Did the beta testers fall asleep when commenting on the new mc lol
There is a reason why hydro traveler is not showcased in 4.0 live
They fr just lock his healing capability to heal in a c6 const meaning a almost full statue just for healing??
Traveller s burst is just like my motivation….. 5 sec and it s out
if the traveller is basically nerfed versions of the gods, I really hope that Furina's skillset is nice
This is actually wrong now that we have Neuvillette. The traveler powers are based on the Primordial Dragon of the Region.
Keeping this theory in mind, the Traveller is waaaaay too nerfed version of archons. Anemo MC is nothing against Venti, Geo MC also has nothing compared to Zhongli, same with Electro and Dendro
Don't worry, Furina will have much different and more powerful skillset.
Even Dehya didn’t flop this hard…
I’m really disappointed how Hoyoverse did Hydro Traveler. That burst sucks ass, Imagine building up energy for so long in a fight, then proceed to somehow miss the enemies completely.
Skill issues for me I know.
My problem with hydro travelers is that not only their skills are questionable, they are a support who needs a support so they won't die just from existing on the battlefield. Just because they're a free unit doesn't mean they should be that horrible. The electro, geo and anemo travelers aren't bad, there are just better options available. Dendro is the best and hydro travelers are straight up bad.
Question: If the traveller got a revamp or a buff would you like it or not. Not just hydro but all elements that are available to him/her.
If they make his ult like XL, why not
@@TabibitoYoI mean yeah that could be good
I think the traveler should get progressively stronger as you get through the story. Anemo, geo, electro, dendro followed that trend well enough to think it was intentional but then water traveler broke it. I was looking forward to pyro traveler being respectable and cyro traveler being a good character to build. Oh well.
@@Elrog3 Well only DENDRO is strong but will see. If it's still not strong then let's make a protest. Hahaahaha
as someone who lv90 their traveler. i would like them to be better
God forbid Hydro Traveler could be at least a B tier support, huh Hoyo?
C Tier it is.
burst should be circling around like an aoe instead of it driving off to the sunset lol
The hold skill is pretty much similar case to lisa. Traveler's pew pew and Lisa's charge to Nuke.
Biggest issue to me here is not he's damage, many people see the small numbers and say oh it sucks it's too weak it does no damage but maths never lie, my traveler unbuffed does 5.5k per dewdrop, he fires a total of 22 of these during the channeling of it meaning 22x5.5k=121k damage only from the Dewdrops, add the torrent surge at the end of the cast which mine hits for 34k as of now it's still a huge 155k damage in 6 sec. And my talentts are still at 4/8/8 i need to max it, maybe i'll squeeze 6k or 7k per dewdrop.
The problem here is these 6 secs, staying still while in a fight is often a bad idea, this is the 1st flaw of the Hydro Traveler, the second flaw is the dewdrop in itself no being a piercing type of skill... By that i mean, on the 1st target the Dewdrop will collide against it will stop right there, meaning it's not a great skill for multitarget fights. And finally one last thing i found kinda disapointing is his C6. I know we don't have it yet, but we will get it, and let's be honest, his C6 on paper is a great idea however not brought to completion correctly. Healing your party part of the C6 is a great idea, healing 1 single person per sourcewater taken, is a less great idea...
Honestly, i always played the traveler and always will, and heck i even cleared the abyss with his Hydro element while he was still with talents at 1/1/1 and no constellations, but i do must say, i hope they do buff him a little, and it doesn't need much to it. Honestly i've even submitted to Hoyoverse's suggestion tab into the game for ideas of how to make it feel better, and my ideas were:
1- Make the dewdrops piercing bullets. They will continue on a straight line doing damage to every enemy they come across and not stop at the 1st enemy it touches, this would power up his multitarget capabilities a lot, specially in freeze comps
2- Shortening the channeling. Basically what they simply could do is: Instead of 22 bullets with multiplier of 59% on 6 sec it could be 11 bullets with a multiplier of 118% in 3 secs, no need to touch the torrent surge it's damage is good enough but make the channeling shorter for christs sake...
3- C6 heals everyone in the party. If they allow the watersource to heal the full party, hydro traveler could be paired up with a shielder whose shield is not that strong and become a pseudo healer for the party, this would had been a very interesting concept to have a DPS that can actually keeps their party alive with a small help of a weak shielder. Or even better, if they did that he could become one of Dehya's best partners
I honestly don't even mind his moving burst, the moment you get C2 if you place yourself correctly you can squeeze a good amount of damage from it, as for its cost in energy i found pretty confortable to have around 160% ER with him and 1 extra hydro teamate, my traveler often gets enough energy to use his burst right after it comes out of CD. If more players would go to Hoyoverse's suggestion box perhaps they would do something, i don't know, i sent these ideas, but i know there's a 99.999% chance that of course nothing is going to happen... Unless a massive amount of Traveler players bend together a flood their suggestion box with others ideas then... who knows... they might do something, not like the Dehya incident where instead of using this suggestion section people went cry on twitter... they dont read their twitter they just use it to post news about the game the real place to go for chances of changes is their feedback section in the game.
Sorry for the long post
Honestly I haven’t played with Hydro Traveler all that match and i’ve came back to Genshin after being on and off for a few weeks. But what I’ve seen him do, you know these suggestions are pretty good.
eerr... my traveler does about the same damage in this 6 seconds just using shenhe's quills while shreds cryo res for the team and without needing to stuck the party for 6 consecutive secs... i can see the effort to make him viable but we do have to admit hoyo f.up on purpose with him
@@linmayo790 Maybe not on purpose, they might release in 4.1 a dedicated artifact set for him, his kit is a reduced version of Neuvilettes Kit (not the archon for once) with high probabilities they also might release a adapted artifact set for both. Honestly i've been using him on a freeze team with both Ganyu, Mona and Layla. As of now this comp works pretty well and will work even better when his C6 gets out. But i really do keep hope Hoyoverse might buff him again with a bit of luck
Hydro traveler's elemental skill could've been a charged shot like Bronya's cannon in Honkai impact 3rd along with the burst functioning like a stationary black hole pulling enemies in.
Hydro has the most competitive roster. I knew he wouldn't be able to compete with the best, but didn't expect the easily worst hydro unit in game
I feel like if the e had minimal cooldown it would have made him a decent hydro applier , and the sniperbloom comp would actually be really interesting
I could be that our traveler will get a upgrade in his skills through out the story because there seems to be something wrong with the hydro power in fontaine. At first there was a weird new interaction with paimon at the goddes statue after talking to it and second childes hydro got cancelt too. So there is a possibility that we get a buff in ousia or pneumia something like that
Worst part is Neuvilette appears to be just a buffer more balanced and reasoned version of Hydro Traveler.
Noooooo so that's why...
The probable reason why traveler skills are mediocre is mihoyo don't want you to have a free OP character to begin with. But the bad thing about this is, there are tons of 4 star that is considered 5 star OP mine will be ninguang and xinqui.