The Problem With Toxic Positivity In The Sonic Fanbase

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  • Опубликовано: 17 дек 2024

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  • @Spidey_.
    @Spidey_.  2 года назад +20

    I’d like to add that most clips in this video were recorded before Frontiers released. I decided to keep them in because even after release, none of my points changed and all of them are still valid

  • @BlazingAuras
    @BlazingAuras 2 года назад +54

    The amount of toxic positivity in the fanbase is insane to the point where we can barely have a good discussion before something releases. The "game hasn't come out yet" card does work sometimes but most of the time fans just use it thinking someone hates a sonic game. Good vid.

  • @culturalist
    @culturalist 2 года назад +25

    FINALLY someone made a video on this. jesus. i felt like i was going crazy being seemingly the only one to notice this, especially in the pre-release of sonic frontiers when we found out all cyberspace levels were reskins. appreciate this video. subbed

  • @chillihog1543
    @chillihog1543 2 года назад +24

    Wish the Sonic community could evolve like how Sonic Team is doing with Sonic's new formula. I get that theres fans (Especially kids) who are passionate about Sonic and are tired of seeing Sonic getting beaten alot of timea for unfair reasons, but still the way toxic Sonic fans try to defend Sonic is just straight up sad and shows how low they will go all over for a blue fictional animal. This year is supposed to be "The Year For Sonic", where fans can feel like they can be proud of saying that they like Sonic. After seeing how toxic Sonic fans send death threats and harassment towards Genshin or other RUclipsrs who gave fair criticism towards Frontiers (Not saying all Genshin fans are innocent, in fact some of the fans uses bots too), especially all over getting Froniters to win the copium choice awards, honestly still feel ashame and embarrassed to say that I'm a Sonic fan in public. Hell Sonic Team must be embarrassed by how the toxic community be acting which who can blame them.

  • @nazomius7033
    @nazomius7033 2 года назад +24

    Right after the gameplay was first premiered by IGN, it was very apparent. Many kept saying stuff like “Y’all will never get satisfied” to those who pointed out flaws.
    All this shows is that even if improvements weren’t made, they would’ve still bashed at those who criticized the game and called the game “PEAK”.

    • @nazomius7033
      @nazomius7033 2 года назад +10

      It’s laughable. Instead of striving to tell SEGA to make better games, they resort to mid..

    • @nazomius7033
      @nazomius7033 Год назад +4

      @SfP2xxx I lost brain cells reading that

    • @allenandrew2407
      @allenandrew2407 Год назад

      @nazomius7033 What is said to you

  • @keenestfox6376
    @keenestfox6376 2 года назад +14

    For me personally I rather talk about the positivity of something than the negative, but that's not say anything goes without criticism. It's mostly a difference between fans and fanboys, who are people that will like something for the sake of liking it.

  • @epicmaj8r
    @epicmaj8r 2 года назад +10

    Exactly. Criticism towards a game, as long as it's constructive, doesn't equal hate towards it. I can agree that Sonic Frontiers has some issues that can definitely be improved on yet I love the game regardless

  • @Starfall_Rhea
    @Starfall_Rhea 2 года назад +12

    No one would’ve watched the first Sonic movie if we didn’t criticises it,
    People on Twitter can’t seem to see the difference between good criticism and bad criticism
    You can take switchforce take on frontiers first trailer reveal as an example.

    • @SuperSonicWarrior93
      @SuperSonicWarrior93 Год назад +3

      Some people got mad at me, for criticizing the ugly design. But I didn’t care. It only made me call them out even more.

  • @Gamerbropart2
    @Gamerbropart2 2 года назад +9

    It’s always twitter

  • @slashback37
    @slashback37 2 года назад +15

    Sonic frontiers is argued by so many people to be the best sonic game, it’s like they’re trying to force a game that has not good physics on to people’s opinions, kinda strange.

    • @slashback37
      @slashback37 2 года назад +15

      At this point it isn’t even a joke I can’t tell if most sonic fans forgot about the other good games the franchise offers or if they’re new to the fan base, it’s such a weird change in most sonic fans’ behavior

  • @TheEggPaladin
    @TheEggPaladin 2 года назад +14

    My boi, you made some good points here. This is why the Sonic fanbase with never be taken seriously for how they act. I even made a comment on Twitter where I stated that I didn't like that fact that Ranking is back in cyberspace and when someone who followed me didn't like my take, I replied how I felt about it and then they blocked me lol. It's so ignorant that they act like this.

  • @thesuperguy5557
    @thesuperguy5557 2 года назад +8

    Finally a video that points this stuff out, good video man

  • @quackk_kk
    @quackk_kk 2 года назад +11

    People only like Frontiers because its slightly better than Forces, we've had so many shit games that we praise slightly decent games too much.

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  2 года назад +6

      Nah. Frontiers is a good game. Fans just do too much over it

    • @artistanthony1007
      @artistanthony1007 2 года назад +2

      Slightly? The whole game is far better than Forces, Boss Fights are Distinct & Creative minus The End, there's more to do, it's longer, Script is competent and not any "We can win with power of friendship" bs, they put more and actual effort into this game, it's legit superior to Forces in every way.

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  2 года назад +5

      They put the power of friendship stuff at the end where everyone saved him from the corruption by holding hands
      We constantly see Sage tell Sonic that he’ll lose and that’s his fate, so it would’ve been cool if we got a "I have no limit" scene like the Archie comics where he says something like he controls his destiny and he fights the corruption by his will power

    • @Aidel1011
      @Aidel1011 Год назад +2

      ​​@@Spidey_.The thing is, Frontiers fanboys complain about Archie, especially the Limit part even when the parts they criticise have nothing to do with Ken Penders so the 'limit' reference is off limits for their games

  • @artistanthony1007
    @artistanthony1007 2 года назад +5

    "It's not even out yet" is the only one I believe is the best because the devs had time to fix things up and look at how Fronteirs became since the video by IGN, they made improvements after that.

  • @dawningshine
    @dawningshine 2 года назад +6

    to try to dismiss a counter point to this video that I thought up about, you have to note that there is a difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. Most (not all though) sonic tubers who, especially at first, criticised the game, legitimately wanted to see it improve, meaning it was constructive. People often dismiss any sort of criticism under the premise that it was to hurt Sonic Frontiers and the franchise, but, in reality, the intent of these complaint videos was to encourage improvement, and it did work fairly well too! I'm not saying that any and all criticism was necessarily deserved, as there are a select few sonic tubers who will complain about the game for more attention, but the vast majority just like Sonic and want to see the blue blur become better.
    thanks to coming to my youtube comment rant lol

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  2 года назад +1

      I talked about the difference between constructive criticism and just complaining in the video
      Criticism does help and it will help future games in the franchise

  • @AngrySonicBros
    @AngrySonicBros Год назад +4

    Hey so I finally watched the video sorry it took so long for me to watch it. Anyways I figure I’d finally watch it now because I also saw some toxic positivity for the Knuckles show as of recent. The criticisms and points in this video are PERFECT. You perfectly summarized the problem with toxic positivity, why it’s wrong and why people are wrong to be toxic positive. In a fanbase where there’s always people forcing others to not criticize and blindly like things, dogpile on people who don’t agree with their POV and are just toxic in general it’s always nice to have a guy like you in the fandom who is the complete opposite of that and will call out any of them mfs who are toxic. Thanks for this amazing video bro this is what the fandom needed……

  • @FloofPuppy
    @FloofPuppy 2 года назад +3

    And this is why I'm drifting away from Sonic canon and the fanbase as far as possible.

  • @sungjin008
    @sungjin008 2 года назад +9

    When yakkocmn, TelekinesticMan criticized Sonic Frontiers, it made me feel bad to see the fandom who didn't accept it and attacked him.
    Watch Sonic Fantears Review. It's a great video.

  • @Terminal_Apotos
    @Terminal_Apotos Год назад +2

    Unfortunately this is still relevant 9 Months Later.

  • @caldog619
    @caldog619 10 месяцев назад +1

    As a Sonic fan who doesn’t use Twitter…what the heck did I miss?! I remember RUclips being a whole different story; we were all thinking the game was going to bomb hard after the first trailer and were setting our expectations super low, hoping that they could maybe fix the physics at least before launch 😅
    I do understand why there was a bit of toxic positivity for that game in particular though. We all thought Sonic Rangers was going to be a make or break moment for the next decade of the franchise after the good will from the movie

  • @Chickenman_or_batman
    @Chickenman_or_batman 2 года назад +2

    FINALLY,FINALLY! A VIDEO TALKING ABOUT THIS FANBASES RECENT BULLSHIT,IVE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THIS

  • @SNESJerry
    @SNESJerry 2 года назад +2

    I really wish the Sonic Fanbase would just ignore negativity towards their game and just brush it off, it’s hard but easy.

    • @SuperSonicWarrior93
      @SuperSonicWarrior93 Год назад +3

      I also wish they would stop attacking people within the fandom who have different opinions.

  • @noahalcantar2431
    @noahalcantar2431 8 месяцев назад +1

    Godzilla fans are the new sonic fans

  • @SuperSonicWarrior93
    @SuperSonicWarrior93 Год назад +2

    This is why I don’t communicate with the toxic Sonic fandom. They’re just as bad as toxic Dragon Ball fans.

  • @bowmaj8666
    @bowmaj8666 Год назад +2

    I've honestly had more experience with toxic negativity within the Sonic fan base. I truly think that's worse!

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  Год назад +3

      I’m sorry that you had experience with it, but neither are worse than the other and both are bad
      I’ve just seen a ton of toxic positivity so I made a video on it. It’s that simple

    • @bowmaj8666
      @bowmaj8666 Год назад +1

      @@Spidey_. I just meant that when it comes to toxic negativity in the Sonic series, too much of it causes Sega to change things, but never in a good way!
      People complain about Sonic's friends, but never in a constructive or sensible way that makes any kind of sense. It's never just "I prefer it when Sonic is the only playable character." It's more "URGH, SONIC'S STINKY FRIENDS ARE ALL AWFUL! GET RID OF 'EM OR I'M NEVER PLAYING ANOTHER SONIC GAME EVER AGAIN!!!!!" And yet, this honestly wouldn't be so bad if the people at Sega just rolled their eyes and ignored these whiners, because clearly these kinds of people will complain about Sonic's friends even when they're at their best. But instead, Sega seem to be reluctant to utilizing Sonic's friends to their full potential. Now that's either Sega listening to this crap, or that's one heck of a coincidence.
      It's the same with practically anything that people mindlessly complain about when it comes to Sonic. If these people kick up that much of a stink about something, Sega seem to listen.
      That's why there's been so much focus on classic imagery and nostalgia. Because of people whining about how "Sonic should go back to his roots!"
      That's why the stories have been so light hearted and mediocre for the past few years. Because people were whining about how "stories in Sonic games always suck! They take themselves way too seriously! It's just a dumb video game for dumb kids!"
      See what I mean? There's clearly nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism, but when people whine "WAAAHH, DON'T LIKE IT, GET RID OF IT, REEEE!!!!!" then they clearly don't deserve to be catered to! These are the kinds of people who shouldn't be allowed to dictate what can and can't be in a Sonic game! Negativity should never be a driving force behind any series!

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  Год назад +2

      Those are literally casuals who were saying that stuff. They aren’t in the fan base
      I already talked about toxic negativity in the video so I don’t get what you’re even doing. You’re essentially just repeating what I said
      Look at the people within the fanbase who are being toxically negative and call them out rather than casuals who don’t really care about the franchise

    • @bowmaj8666
      @bowmaj8666 Год назад +1

      @@Spidey_. It honestly doesn't matter if they're fans or casuals, as long as Sega caters to them it's a problem.
      Like I said before, people complain about Sonic's friends, and nowadays they aren't being utilized to their full potential; just stuck on the sidelines as Sonic's cheerleaders!
      People complain about the stories being "too serious and edgy" and how "the stories don't matter because nobody cares about the narrative or characterisation!" Nowadays, the stories characters have minimal effort put into them. Sega even hired two writers who freely admitted that they knew little to nothing about the Sonic series!
      People complained about Sonic's eye colour in Sonic 4 and whined that "Sonic should go back to his roots!" And so for the past ten years or so Sega have been obsessed with shoving Sonic's old design, retro levels and nostalgia into every game imaginable!
      Either this is Sega giving into toxic negativity, or these are all very convenient coincidences!

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  Год назад +4

      It does matter because I’m literally talking about the FANBASE, not casuals
      You once again talked about casuals rather than the actual fan base. Just stop it, dude

  • @SuperSonicWarrior93
    @SuperSonicWarrior93 Год назад +1

    My biggest pet peeve with the Sonic fanbase is how they’re allergic to accepting and respecting different opinions.
    For example, some Modern Era fanboys get made at me for simply not liking Roger Craig Smith’s Sonic voice. But ya know what? They can stay mad. Cause I think Ryan Drummond did it better.

  • @zeroxenoverse9251
    @zeroxenoverse9251 Год назад +1

    I do say another thing that toxic positivity became a thing is toxic negativity. Don't get it wrong, I know Sonic games ain't above criticism. But it sometimes still doesn't excuse:
    1) Making and abuse false claims(Stupid friends)
    2) People badly playing what game
    3) Because one dud begins people saying the entire franchise is bad
    4) Some double standarding
    5) By fake fans for me I think saying the like the series but they believe there's always bad games since day 1
    Basically in all short, media being negative. Sorry if it's long.

  • @EGV88
    @EGV88 Год назад

    Sonic The Hedgehog is the Twilight of the video game industry - in terms of fanbase and product quality.

  • @PHX357
    @PHX357 2 года назад

    He showed ls mark clips for so long, when he got back on I genuinely forgot I wasn't watching ls mark

  • @CraniamonRoyalKnight
    @CraniamonRoyalKnight Год назад

    I know most of the time the people say that the Sonic community are toxic despite I don't spend much time with the Sonic community itself but, actually, the only time that I was witness of their toxicity and get a bad experience with their toxic behavior, it was in the Hedgehog Engine Discord server. I was looking for a partners for give me a hand for the modding into Sonic Frontiers since I have still somes issue into the modding when I create my own mods so I accept any kind of help, even from those who are new but know a bit more than me, for give me somes good tips and check an eye into my own mods. However nobody answer me because they was too much focus to talk about a sort of drama story about a user who get banned or something but I didn't pay too much attention about it since it's none of my business.
    However, one week later, I notice nobody answer my question due to talk too much about their drama story so, when I have try to ask the same question again by wonder if this time they will notice my question, I meet somes kiddo from the admin/moderators who threatened to ban me if I spam the same question because they though I was a bot or a scam and I have nicely say without be vulgar and by stay calm that I'm into their server because I was searching for someone for give me a hand into the modding since somes people advices me the Hedgehog Engine server if I wanted somes help about the modding for those last Sonic games unless it's my fault and that I'm not in the good server for talk and ask about modding tips and help so, somes times later, I notice I get banned from Hedgehog Engine server. Maybe because I wasn't toxic for them unlike those dude who was throw insult and salty comment to someone for one week without they get banned until they change conversation so, even if I like somes Sonic games, I confirm the community can be toxic and it even contaminate the modding community as well so, since this accident who happend somes month ago, I can say I don't appreciate too much the Sonic community. I know everyone isn't like that but it still sad though so I don't advice for anyone to go to the Hedgehog Engine server except if you really want to meet somes people with a big toxic behavior.

    • @Spidey_.
      @Spidey_.  11 месяцев назад

      I’m sorry that happened, bro
      Sadly there’s multiple bad and toxic discord servers. I remember one time I was in Games Cage’s discord server and my pfp was a NFL player. They all harassed me for it and called the player a nobody for no reason. Little did they know that same player led the league in INT’s 💀
      Basically this isn’t anything new and it’s sad that it won’t stop because no one calls it out

    • @CraniamonRoyalKnight
      @CraniamonRoyalKnight 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Spidey_. Thank for your comment. I wish people could be less toxic and more comprehensive toward others people and more respectful. My bad luck is still with me because, recently, I meet another toxic Sonic modder named as Plum_54 and, at start, he was seem pretty friendly and very helpful for help me with my own issue into the modding and everything was alright. However, he advice me to go on the Hedgehog Engine server, the same toxic server where I get banned for no reason just because people was paranoid and though I was a bot or scam just because I have ask the same question again one week later and that my comment end up to be noticed but not in the right way that I was expected.
      So, of course, I didn't say anything about it because it gonna be a sort of drama so I just thank the person for be here for help me and accept to wait patiently that the person get somes free time for see my own work with the screenshare system. However I notice the person end up to unfriend me and block me on discord while on Gamebanana he delete my comment by claim it was harassement and abuse so I guess somes toxic people on Hedgehog Engine server told them about me by spread somes false informations about me because I don't see how someone who is nice toward me end up to treat me me as a threat sundenlly despite I was friendly toward this person.
      I really wish the Sonic community buy a brain sometimes because, when I see their toxic attitude like what happend recently, it don't really give me a good reason to like the Sonic community anymore. Too bad because in general I'm good and neutral with any community since I'm not the kind of person who looking for trouble but, when I see them, I don't really feel anymore that I want to do any effort for like them or be friendly with them due to how they treat the others people and it's not the first time in my life that people treat me like if I was a piece of sh*t despite I'm still patient but, them, it's another story.

  • @someone19292
    @someone19292 Год назад

    I was a fan of sonic until seein the toxicness of the sonic fanbase i not a big fan of sonic like before i feel bad for sega

  • @Aidel1011
    @Aidel1011 Год назад

    Mirai Nikki fanbase in a nutshell

  • @Itz_Kwame
    @Itz_Kwame Год назад

    SPIDEY YOUR THE GUY FROM PREM’S STREAMS!

  • @JewelCartmanJaty
    @JewelCartmanJaty Год назад +2

    Blame the fandom,not franchise.

  • @therockyb.channel532
    @therockyb.channel532 2 года назад +1

    You should have made this video way earlier.