Should You Buy the LUMIX S5II 20-60mm Kit Lens?
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Is the Panasonic 20-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens worth it for the Lumix S5II or S5IIX? This is my full review of the kit lens for the Panasonic Lumix S5II. This video will cover mostly video shooting with some photographic samples thrown in for good measure.
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00:00 - Is the Panasonic S5II/S5IIX Kit Lens Worth it?
00:23 - Sample Clips
00:34 - Lens Overview - Filter Thread Size
00:46 - AF/MF Switch, Zoom, and Focus Ring
01:28 - Handling & Zoom Ring
02:17 - Focus Ring
02:37 - Manual Focus / Linear Focusing
03:07 - Minimum Focusing Distance
03:26 - Vlogging Test @ 20mm f3.5
03:59 - S5II & Kit Lens Autofocus
04:24 - Original S5 & Kit Lens Autofocus
04:53 - Video Autofocus Results
05:18 - Focus Breathing & Parfocal / Varifocal Test
05:55 - Lumix 20-60mm Kit Lens in the Studio
06:42 - My Travel Lens
07:17 - Kit Lens vs Prime Lens (at 35mm)
07:43 - Why this is a great first lens
08:24 - Great photographic lens
08:46 - Is the Panasonic S5II/S5IIX 20-60mm Kit Lens Worth it?
09:44 - 18mm f1.8 vs 20-60mm @ f3.5
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Can you make a video about new firmware updates for panasonic s5 mark ii?????
After countless hours of research, this very lens is the very reason I went with the L-mount ecosystem and got an Lumix S5 instead of a Sony, Canon, Nikon or Fujifilm. Sony recently added an insanely expensive and significantly larger and heavier 20-70mm lens. Other than that, no other lenses like this one exist for any other FF or APS-C system.
When out on walks in both nature and cities, I find myself shooting at 20mm very often and find 60mm good enough for close up pictures of my company or various subjects. When I do want to zoom in more, most of those times I actually wanted something unrealistic (on a lightweight lens that also goes down to 20mm) like 300mm or more. If what I actually wanted was 70mm or even 100mm, I can just move a bit closer, so the 60-120mm range is not very important to me.
Haha love the Camera Conspiracies reference!
tonehhhh!
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@@GeekyNerdyTechy jokes aside, I agree. F3.5 looks nice. I like my 1.8 for photography or for very specific shots (or low light).
Even if you buy the big, expensive, high quality zooms or all kinds of primes - heaving this small, light weight lens in addition is always worth it because together with the S5 you have a very nice, combination for running around and doing hand hold shots. Nothing else can beat that.
Thanks for that. Love it. I’ll look for more from you in the future on this new camera.
The kit lens review video come on point, has I've order the S5 II w/ kit lens. will be delivered today... I'm excited. Nice review btw ;)
The 20-60 focuses very close at 26mm, about half macro. Useful for jewellery and similar small scale closeup work. A favourite thing about the S5 is with the lens set to manual focus, the back button AF still works. Handy for toggling between the two.
I love your work Shane!
Great lens. Coupled with a couple of primes (and in my case the MC21 to adapt EF glass), I reckon the S5II plus kit lens is a dream core set up.
The ability to adapt EF glass properly on the S5II with CAF is a game changer for me. I’m not locked into RF mount.
Canon has some amazing lenses. The best are very expensive and generally large and heavy. A key disadvantage with the relatively affordable non-L Canon RF glass is that it is not weather sealed. It is also not par-focal.
Panasonic has been strategically extremely clever with their product strategy. They have ‘video first’ hybrid cameras without any (obvious) cripples.
Above all my observation is the company is customer centric and respond to feedback from the market. The LUMIX Live sessions conducted by Panasonic LUMIX USA plus the ongoing value adding through firmware upgrades are great examples of this corporate culture.
Great analysis--very clear, very well paced. I love this lens on my S5II.
Thank you so much for your video. This helped make the decision on what to purchase. Great kit lens and will save the consumers money.
What a GREAT video! I have the older S5 with the 20-60 kit and I have to admit to having been a been a stills shooting prime snob or choosing to use the Sigma 24-70, but your examples here really show what a capable lens this is. I did get a taste of what it can do on a hike through Zion's park last year when weight and wide angle capability were at a premium. I picked up some valuable usage tips here,,Even for using my older S5..Thanks again!
I absolutely agree with you that most of the people are shooting at f2.0 and f2.2 for videos , which I feel is a bit overused. Watched a full review and got myself 20-60mm lens :)
Great and very helpful video, thanks
I watched this video some months back before getting LUMIX S5iiX, I really wanted to buy the 24-105mm because it’s very versatile and would be a good fit for my work but I couldn’t find any offer on Amazon. I had to settle for this 20-60mm kit lens and I must say it is pretty good. I have used it for a few shoots and it’s not bad at all. Great video. I hope I can still find a good deal for 24-105mm as I’d love to have that too. I am based in Nigeria and lately I have been shooting documentaries and event coverage.
Totally agree! I bought the 20-60 with my S5 about 1 1/2 years ago and I just bought an S5ii and have used it with this lens. To me, this lens is a "must have." It is versatile, the image quality is incredible considering the price, and as you demonstrated it gets the most out of the autofocus in any Lumix S-series camera. I just compared my S5 using the Panny 50mm 1.8 side-by-side with the S5ii with the 20-60 at 50mm. I set the aperture and ISO the same in both cameras. I felt that the image quality coming from the 20-60 looked better! Maybe being mounted on the S5ii helped but when you compared your 35 f1.8 to the 20-60 I could barely see a difference and it was only in the background blur. Unless you really need the "Toneh" (😂) of the primes this kit lens can do almost everything you need and do it well.
I understand that for portraits you might want some bokeh but for outdoor videos I prefer to see the environment so this kind of lens is ideal. Thank you for helpful video.
Thanks for the review mate. The lens look great for vlogging.
It’s a solid lens for vlogging. F3.5 at 20mm is perfect.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy bought it 🙏
@@KarlRock Nahi Chaiye
@@GeekyNerdyTechywhat else would you recommend for vlogging for the original s5? I was thinking the 18 but like you said it’s not that versatile. Maybe the sigma 16-28? But the autofocus on with the s5 might not be great. The new Lumix 14-28 might not have enough bokeh :S
Thanks for the video. Given the choice would you rather go with the 20-60mm or the 24-105mm? Does the variable aperture matter that much for video?
It really depends on your needs. The kit lens is a good choice for me because I prefer the 20mm over the 24. If you need more reach then the 105 is the clear winner.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Thank you. Does the variable aperture matter that much when you're doing run and gun style shooting, does it change the image much when you're zooming in and out while recording video? And does the size and weight difference differ that much to where it's noticeable? thank you for the response.
Excellent review! Thanks!
Thanks 🙏
this is a great lens for travel. Thanks for this great video Shane.
thank you shane.
Thanks for this review exactly rhe reassuance i needed coming from gh5
I'm a S5 20-60mm lens lover.. i was very skeptical coming from cannon "Kit" usually means Sht.. however this is not the case. This kit lens is FANTASTIC! would recommend to everyone wondering as well.
Great video!
Thanks for the comment. I agree. It's way better than a lot of alternatives. :)
Love your videos, keep it up :)
Thank for the support. :)
I appreciate the last part of the video comparing the 18mm background seperation. I've been debating my next prime and been wanting I wider aperture prime to add to my 20-60 and 50mm. I shoot guitar videos in a small space, travel, and enjoy lower aperture/blurred out background. I feel like the 20-60 creates a lot of issues with finding my next lens because between 28-50mm the lens is too dark. Either an 18mm or one day when a 16-35mm 2.8 exists maybe I'll get that. Thoughts?
i preordered a s5iix, body only. Got the lumix s35mm and lumix s85mm lenses to start of with
Ordered yesterday the body only with a Sigma 24-70. Looking forward to test it out. 🙃
S5 II is a great camera. I’ll wait to get the other version with the Intraframe recording.😊
That 20mm on the wide side with f3.5 alone is worth the price!
5.6 at 60mm is still very respectable for a kit/travel kit (basically same DOF as m43 f2.8 zoom anyway!)
Also parfocal,great colours sharpness and contrast! Its a winner🎉
Great video man! I am getting the S5 II with the 20-60mm, I know it's stupid to ask but did you shoot V Log for the shots at 9:46? If yes, how did you color grade it ? I am asking because I can't find any S5 II clips to download and mess with in Davinci, anywhere on the internet. Great work!
Hello, i have a question, first i really like your lens review, my question is, if i use the lens 20mm 3.5 and then zoom in to 60mm , how the exposure falls down? its super visible or falls down smoothly? Thank you
Do the 20-60 performer better with autofocus than the 35mm 1.8 on the original s5?
good info
I have this lens as part of a bundle with my S5 I I got last year.
It is a very useful lens. the 20-60mm is much more useful than 24-70mm.
Bear in mind that Sony recently released a 20-70mm F4 that costs 900 USD!!!
As I want to fill my collection of Panasonic Primes because I want to take photos at night clubs (I have the 35mm f/1.8) the 20-60mm is a great lens that gives me versatility in the mean time in other use cases.
And to fill my prime collection it will probably take 2 years.
And you can test a focal length to see if you will use a prime of the same focal length before committing to buy.
You go out and just take photos/videos at the 24mm and see if you like it and will use it.
And regarding the Toneh, you don't need to Toneh all the time.
I assume you are in the same predicament as me -- whether or when to upgrade 😔
The new AF system looks so good, but the original S5's resale value has plummeted, so I'll probably need to save up an extra $1k afford the mark ii. 😢
@@randomoneforstuff3696 When bought my S5 I there was NOTHING better at the price point (2 000 Euro) for my specific needs.
I got it knowing its AF limitations. And actually the AF is OK it is not the best.
At the time I got it I also got a very good deal because it came with 2 lenses for 2 200 Euro and there was a 200 Euro Cash Back from Panasonic which I received a few months later.
So I am happy with what I got. Technology changes so quick these days.
Think really well if you NEED the new upgrades or you just WANT them.
Bear in mind you are NOT getting a better image. The sensor and processor are the same.
You are getting some conveniences like improved AF, Stabilization, HDMI, Burst Performance and Buffing but not a better quality image (the S5 image is still superb)
I have always planned for a 2 camera setup as an INVESTMENT and I will be getting the S5 II (I don NOT NEED the S II X)
Unless the “limitations” of the original S5 I are preventing you from making money - do not feel bad for not upgrading.
And bear in mind we do not know if the S5 II fan will make problems in the future.
The S5 I does not have it.
I love my S5 I
@@boyantrifonov lol I'm not usually a freelancer. I have the occasional wedding photoshoot here and there, but by and large upgrading gear doesn't make me any money. I use my money from other places to pay for camera upgrades that don't really pay themselves off monetarily. I just do sports photography as a hobby, and the S5's burst rate is quite slow as well, and its AF for fast moving subjects is just awful (I get like a 30% hit rate). But, you've got a point in that investing another $1k into a body that I don't need isn't really hindering me for the most part.
@@randomoneforstuff3696 In my case I am investing for my RUclips channel which will be mostly talking head.
Since last year I have planned for a 2 camera setup.
So instead of getting a Sony A7S III and 1 cheap lens I will be getting 2 Panasonic Lumix cameras the S5 I and the S5 II and 3 good lenses.
The S5 II will help me shoot some extra things but my S5 I will be my second camera angle or permanent talking head camera so it will get plenty of use.
And if one of my bodies needs servicing I will have the other to work and not miss shooting a video.
However after I get the S5 II I will not really care about cameras for a minimum of 5 years if not more.
I do not plan to earn money from photography / videography but I need to use videography / photography to earn money lol.
informative 10mins on the S5 mk II
5:46 As short as it is mentioned, THIS is a major important info, as not many DSLR zoomlenses are parfocal. Thank you for telling that! 😊👍
I think this might be done using Panasonic's Varifocal technology, but either way, the end result is the same :) Thanks for the kind words.
Well, my "dream" setup is the S5 (not even the mk2!), 20-60, 70-300, and some fast 50mm prime. So I would say it is worth it, definitely! If you have a use for it, haha.
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Can you make a video about new firmware updates for panasonic s5 mark ii?????
Thanks Shane. Compelling argument.
I have one. Actually it’s great for photos but for video in low light conditions it lack sharpness. Of course because the f stop f4.
Curious, do you use a zoom audio recorder on these videos. Your audio is excellent 👌. I love the clarity of the lens.
I think I used the Saramonic Blink500 Pro pack on this video. It's a great wireless pack.
Great review. You mentioned the “APS-C Crop Mode” on the S5ii at 3:20 but I haven’t figured out how to get into the crop mode for photography on the S5II apart from using the Teleconverter option which is awkward and involves several steps. Am I missing something?
APS-C is for video as far as I'm aware. Putting an L-mount APS-C lens on converts the camera to crop mode.
Excellent video! Just wanted to ask your recording settings for your videos, the quality and detail rendering is a lot better than traditionally seen on other S5ii videos. ProRes, internal 6K, export settings, etc?
I shot most of this in the 6k full sensor readout shooting VLOG with the Natural LUT applied in real time. I then simply adjusted the saturation and levels a hair and that was it. I export using final cut 4k 16x9 MP4.
I agree with the f/1.8 vlogging comment. I bought the 24mm f/1.8 for vlogging, but the background was pretty much completely gone. So, I returned it the next week. It wasn’t for me. I thought about the 18mm f/1.8, but I’m sure I’ll feel the same way about the look. I have the 20-60 and 50mm f/1.8 that came in a bundle with the S5 for $1700 two Black Fridays ago. It’s insane how Panasonic was handing out free lenses and no tax on the purchase!!!
Yes
i want to upgrade to a full frame system and i'm thinking of buying the s5 ii. I can get it with the Sigma 24 - 70 mm but it would be too expensive for me. The s5 ii with the kit lens are in my budget. What do you recommend? Should i save some money to get the s5 with the sigma or is the kit lens okay for the first time?
The kit lens is a great first lens. You can always get the 24-70 down the track if you need to. The Sigma was way too big for me, I ended up taking it back.
Hello. I have an S5 with the 20-60 kit. Can i bought the new s5 mk2 and put the lens of my "old" s5 ? Is it working fine ? And can you make a video test of that ? (with 20-60 pack of the m2 with the old s5. So, we can chose if it is better to upgrade only the body or with the kit lens ? Thank you for all your video. We love your work :))
I used it in this video on the autofocus test section and all the photos in this video were with the original S5. It’s a great match.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy tha K you very much for the answer 💋
Good Morning. You may have convinced me to get this lense. I plan on getting the X VERSION camera. what other lense would you recommend for the F F ? Thank you
Any of the S series of primes are awesome. It depends on what you’re shooting. The 50mm and 35mm are two of my favourites.
@GeekyNerdyTechy The SiiX cones with a kit of this lens and a 50mm 1.8 prime. In the UK, it's £2599 including VAT, which is excellent value. I'm getting that, the 35mm and 85mm 1.8. Brilliant kit to pair alongside my GH6.
Nice! I think that is my dream set up!
hi... nice video ... one quick question ... does the video quality reduce when at 60mm you shoot in crop mode? ... with a crop of 1.5x if you shoot at 60mm do we get (60 x 1.5x) 90mm?
Yep the APSC crop mode punches in 1.5x. The video quality still looks good to my eye but generally speaking full frame would give you better low light performance.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy but when one is shooting at 60fps ... one is left with no option but to shoot in apsc crop mode :( ... and S5 mark ii does not allow to shoot in full frame at 60 fps. so its going to be apsc, without choice.
@@raysmith5487make sure you have good light to compensate then
Is the zooming rotation ring on the 20-60mm lens smooth? Mine is rough and inconsistent.
I covered that in the video talking about that exact thing 😊
@@GeekyNerdyTechy You mentioned the zoom ring loosens up and it took time. Are you sure? Mine still zooms roughly and sticky after 2 years.
I heard that s5ii use contrast detect autofocus not phase detect when you shot on 1080p. Is it really..??
That's correct. I only found out about this when I got my production model. Hopefully, it's being addressed with a firmware update in the future. Panasonic are good like that, so fingers crossed.
Do you have a video with this lens at night. Or low light?
Not in super-low light, but you can see it in action here in mixed and low lit situations - ruclips.net/video/vaDwlduzOKE/видео.html
Can’t see any one the used market yet though.
Can you do a review of the EPOS B20 microphone and compare it to the hyperx quadcast
Sadly, I don't have the Quadcast anymore.
They are also selling it with the 50mm in addition, what's that one like?
The 50mm is my favorite S Series Prime, it's great. I did a video covering the primes.
I'll be using the GH6 for a couple years.
The GH6 is awesome. It's still a camera I use for a lot of handheld and studio stuff also.
Can you pls do a review of S5II with Sigma 24-70?
If I can borrow one from Sigma, I would love to but I won't be buying one again they are too heavy.
Yes you should buy the kit Why buy a camera and wait to buy a lens? Plus right now you can get 2 lenses for the price of one. And finally what other kit lens start at 20mm
I am finding that the stability of LUMIX G9II is making me think of ditching my Sony A7IV to get S5II. The idea of 20-60 is so attractive. My Sony is great, but I’m always having shaky footage.
100%. I own a few Sony cameras, their IBIS is pretty terrible unless you're just standing there. The S5II is way better for handheld stuff.
can u use it with gh5?
Sadly, no. I wonder if Panasonic will bring out an L-Mount to MFT adapter at some point down the track.
Thank you !!!🎉🎉🎉 Can you do with 14-28 s lumix ?
I'll see if I can borrow that one from Panasonic as I don't own it.
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The kit lense is quite good
lens is free now with the s5ii
Here at Optus we recommend Sony cameras and lenses.
Optus is the worst Australian Telco in history for privacy breeches. Even if your account wasn't a spam one, I would tell you get GTFO lol.
Every time I see reviews that the autofocus is good, I get frustrated. Since watching your video, the autofocus of my S5IIX behaved like that of the S5 or maybe worse. And I end up returning it.
Then you have no idea what you're doing. The S5II/S5IIX AF is nothing like the S5. If you couldn't get it to work, you did something wrong. There's no two ways about it.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Maybe that's it. I looked for autofocus tutorials, change the types of focus (Human, face and eye), Focus area, sensitivity and speed, perform the update. And the result was the same as with the factory setting. The interesting thing is that you gave an example of the autofocus of the S5 and my S5IIX focused the same. Maybe mine arrived defective, but my ZV-E10 focused much better. It was frustrating to see videos of people like yours, who did tests with the camera without adjustments and it worked very well for them and mine didn't. The truth is that I wanted to believe that the problem was me and not the camera. Because I did not want to return it, but I did not get an answer or solution.
Tonnneeeeeh
Can you review the Behringer UV1 and probably compare it to dbx 286s
Probably not anymore. I got rid of most of my rack units and got a Rodecaster.
Yes, background blur is over used! I see a lot of photographers wasting a lot of time and money trying to achieve something that they do not need.
I prefer the kit lens 24-105 f4 , much more useful . If you already spends thousand on the camera body then do not get this 20-60 but spend a bit more to get the 24-105 . This combo is good for everything from land scape , portrait , general shooting , macro , day light and low light night time . Especially for someone who only one camera / one lens , you can find plenty used 24-105 in excellently condition and this lens is perfectly with the S5ii .
Only downside I think is you would have trouble vlogging at 24mm vs 20
Update 2024. If you're buying an S5ii new, the kti lens is actually FREE !!!
Panasonic is killing it with the lack of focus breathing on their lenses.
Agreed. No digital crops to cover up poor optics required. :)
Like if you get the Toneh joke!
Why is there no wobble waves at 20mm vs the sigma 16-28 at 20mm, the amount of waves on the sigma is horrible and your footage has none.
Huh?
@@GeekyNerdyTechy your footage is looking good, the 20-60 has no wobbles at 20mm. I just wonder why if we look at the sigma 16-28 lens, at 20mm it will have tons of wobbles
I would actually recommend getting any prime lens with affordable f1.8 instead of these kit lenses with awful f3.5-5.6.
I think with these kit lenses you barelly create anything interesting. Maybe only landscape photography being exception. The image is just like from your phone and you're really killing the power of full frame camera such as S5.
One light prime lens will make you smile much more often than these kit lenses.
I don't know any person who has only kit lens and still uses his camera after few years. They're just taking phones instead.
You sound like every other RUclipsr who thinks a prime will suit everyone at every level. The image is nothing like a phone. There's a time and place for a versatile zoom lens and for only a few bucks more you get something I use a lot, especially outdoors. Go blur your backgrounds to death if you want to. If you're shooting products 1.8 or faster is pointless as you'll be stopping down to 3.4 at the bare minimum.
You're right sir. There is time and place for these zoom lenses. I'm glad you're happy with it.
Eradicating backgrounds is the latest photographic craze and hopefully goes the way of the dinosaur soon. Who wants an eye in focus and the rest of the face blurred. No pro worth his salt shot like that when I started in the 1980s. The only advantages of 1.8 or faster is for low light. Other than that I want to see where my subject is, especially when travelling around the world, so f2.8 to f4 is fast enough for me.