How Does Harry Resist The Imperius Curse? [Harry Potter Theory]
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Today Ben dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to try and determine HOW Harry manages to shake off the Imperius Curse on his FIRST try.
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I, in my incredibly small knowlegde of Harry Potter, like to think that the reason the cruciatus curse doens't work on Harry, whilst he is lying "dead" is because Voldemort is convinced he is dead, and therefore doesn't believe it will work.
Wait did Harry lose his ability to talk to snakes after the books?
@@Ty921 yes
No he didn’t he used it to get to Delphi
in the books Harry Potter is the split soul of Voldemort that's why he can resist the dark arts he is the good half of Voldemort while Voldemort is the pure evil of Voldemort
I always wondered if a great procrastinator could get around the imperious curse.
“Jump on the desk”
“I’m sure I’ll get round to it eventually”
"eh maybe later"
Louie from Ducktales in a nutshell (and maybe me)
I'm immune!
@@GrimRuler *later comes* Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'll do it in a minute.
Underrated comment
I love how Harry literally feels calm washing over him and he immediately knows “something is wrong”
I have the same reaction though. Like if I ever get to the point of having a really good time, alarm bells start going off in my head like, "This isn't normal. When's the other shoe going to drop? You know this never lasts. Something always happens."
I think it's may because he panics as the wand is being pointed at him, but then instantly calms down when the spell is cast. For me, I would be very confused/ concerned at switching emotions like that
Serotonin? In THIS economy!?
well he knew that he was going to force him to do something so he was kinda ready
SC-Brother 1: "This is literally Voldemort-Prime!"
Its literally not.
What is he babbling about?
They are in Harrys Head and this is Harrys Voldi-Part.
When Harry tries to use Crucio against Bellatrix, Voldemort tells him he had to mean it. So when Voldemort does crucio to what he thinks is a dead Harry, presumably, he’s not really giving it his all
Thing is it's Voldemort
You might be right, he's attempting a curse on what he thinks us a lifeless corpse and as such isn't expecting anything to happen so nothing does happen.
Your right
Yeah but it’s Voldemort. He always mean to cause pain. That was a bad one.
@@whovianhistorybuff that's not what happened at all.
Harry died, willingly without reservation. Even though nothing was compelling him to do so.
Just like his mother had. He died for everyone, and his sacrifice protected everyone.
After this moment, Voldemort is permanently weakened. And his spells have a reduced effect on everyone including Harry.
In the book they mention this, when he tries to silence the army of Hogwarts and he cannot.
Voldemort can't torture Harry anymore.
Moody: *casts the Imperius curse*
Harry: *immediately feels relaxed and tranquil*
Also Harry: Wait this is wrong
Harry: serotonin? In *this* economy??
This was always my theroy on this hahaha
*Also Harry: Something is wrong i can feel it
Yup. He’s like “”I’m never relaxed””
Poor guy 😂
Harry: applies for an auror job
“So what are your qualifications?”
“I defeated Voldemort, I can fight the imperius curse, and I can cast a patronus”
“Yeah, you’re in”
Harry: applies for an auror job
“So what are your qualifications?”
“Yes”
Harry applies for an auror job
"So what are your qualifications?"
"I am The Chosen One."
"No, you're not..."
"Ok, I WAS The Chosen One."
"We'll take you."
And i am one of the best wizards against the Dark arts...
@@-TheUnkownUser no one can touch u with a range weapon and spells r range weapon so u don't count
@@themarveldude9317 ..... Hmmmmmm water?
Back to add my own theory: Crouch Jr isn't just doing it for his own enjoyment, but to sort of get back at his father. He was kept under the Imperius Curse for years. Maybe after that long, even if he's evil, he doesn't think people should be forced to another's will, and is actually training them to fight it off. Remember, he puts Harry under multiple times just to see him do it more. And I doubt it's to try again. He knows that the more you get put under, the easier it gets to shake it off.
SCB: Harry can resist because he doesn't blindly follow authority figures.
ME: Or, and hear me out, he is just super stubborn.
Well.... Gryffindor House does value bravery most of all, but sometimes bravery is also stubbornness, so... 🤷 😉
@@noorykorky5056 true very true
Potato, potatNo
Our Pottah King can't listen to anyone
Universe: "Harry, NO!"
Harry: "YES"
Harry: consistently defies authority figures
Also Harry: becomes a wizard cop
True
He only defies bad authority on purpose, like corrupt politicians or bad teachers. Teachers and politicians who do a good job are no problem for him to follow, even if he sometimes has a slight problem to follow rules.
@@Azaghal1988 a corrupt politician like Umbridge?
Or is Umbridge worse than corrupt?
@@yourlocalrainwing1358 Since Umbridge literally orders a DEMENTOR ATTACK on a STUDENT, she's undoubtedly an actual criminal.
@@dragonlord1935 true actually
Harry’s true superpower is “a certain disregard for the rules” which is a trait that both Slytherins and Gryffindors possess.
Actually all but hufflepuff.
“Never underestimate the stairs”
*Insert McGonagall vs Umbridge scene*
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Alternate and early ending to Order of the Phoenix
Umbridge: "It's over Minerva! I have the high ground"
McGonagall: "You underestimate my power"
*Statue falls on Umbridge*
@@LiterallyEveryone217 McGonagall was smart enough not to frick with the high ground
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@@LiterallyEveryone217 lol
It's because he's a stubborn git. The whole series can be summed up as
Everyone: Harry, no!
Harry: Harry yes!
Or in this case,
Imperius curse: Harry yes!
Harry: Harry no!
😂😂
I like your thinking
Or maybe he's the bravest and most loyal charecter in the books and actually can think for himself unlike the unloyal coward called Draco Malfoy
@@jonathanc7722 what do you mean "unloyal coward" how was draco an unloyal coward
@Kimaya Dhond I was!!
"That's not to say that harry is incapable of listening to anyone it just means that establishing that trust first is the key"
Sounds like Hippogriff mentality!
hence why the hypocriff actually respects and likes harrybso quickly... because they're on the same page.
Which is exactly what Albus did with Hary. And even then, it was "Trust, but verify."
Haven't finished this video yet but my favorite theory on this matter is that the spell makes harry feel blissful, and since his life is so full of terrible things he can't accept it. Another good example is like from the matrix when they said they made the first matrix a paradise and perfect and humanity rejected it because it was too unbelievable.
Uh oh
😯
Draco on the stairs: "It's over Potter, I have the high ground"
Harry: No thanks lol
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I love it!
I can literally imagine it right now.
This deserves more likes
“You overestimate how naive I am!”
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“You were the chosen one!”
Harry: “But I am the chosen one.”
"Why would we hire you as Auror, Harry?"
Harry: "I survived the most unforgivable curse of all time, twice! as in, TWICE!"
"It's a yes for me!"
Survived the killing curse twice and can completely throw off the imperius curse
@@mechsupernova he was able to throw off crucio as well but not writhing in pain. So all 3
@@andreijohnson5203 "Crucio!"
"did i get stung by a bee?"
"Imperio!"
"my life is terrible why am i calm"
"Avada Kedavra!"
"huh. strange green light. anyways."
@@cewla3348 "i like your words, funny man"
You would hire me as an auror because while you are a weak mortal piece of trash, I fought Voldemort and killed him with Expelliarmus. Weakling. Weak aurors! If Aurors were strong, you would of killed Voldemort. Weak aurors!!!!!!
This explanation is way happier than the one I've been using in my head since I read the books. The books say that Harry experiences a bliss sensation, which he immediately rejects thinking that "No of course this can't be right". I always thought he could resist the Imperius Curse because he is not used to happiness or safety, and believes that if he feels that way, something is wrong, and therefore he becomes on edge. It was my opinion that the little voice was Harry's thoughts, being smothered by the curse, saying "Hey, this isn't right. Safety is an illusion, don't trust whoever is telling you that you're safe". It's a much sadder explanation, so I do like this one better, but it's the one I've had for years.
That feeling is a symptom of cPTSD, which is definitely something Harry could have
P.s. I know nothing go do your own research
@@waityamihereagain1978 it would not surprise me if Harry had cPTSD after everything that he’s been through in the book series, there’s definitely an argument to be made for that. But I do like both of these explanations.
@@helenaperez4343 It's his crappy upbringing with the Dursleys that allowed him to resist imperius curse.
Happiness of being a wizard, there is a wizard that killed his parents and also wants him dead.
Happiness for confirming himself being a wizard, everyone thinks he is a dark one slytherin heir.
Happiness of discovering his godfather and his innocence, Lupin nearly kills hum, dementors nearly kill him and Sirius. The murderer escapes.
Happiness during the quidditch world cup, death eaters attack.
They're not mutually exclusive though. cPTSD exists usually because your authority figures in early childhood were untrustworthy. They even say his "training" for defying authority started with the Dursleys.
I don't think Harry is bad at Occlumency. For the same reason you stated he resisted the Imperius Curse: Trust. He trusts Remus Lupin, he does not trust Severus Snape.
Also he was far more motivated to learn the Patronus spell because quidditch is everything to him. On the other hand Occlumency, he kind of admits to himself he *wants* to eavesdrop on Voldemort.
Exactly! The "defies untrustworthy authority" theory isnt bad but this is just SO much more satisfying and makes more sense to me
If you could eavesdrop on your greatest enemy wouldn't you want to do that? I'd honestly do the same and make them be the one that has to block me out.
lupin didnt do it barty crouch jr as madeye moody did
@@j-bob_oreo I am not comparing Harry's Occlumancy lessons to Harry resisting the imperius curse, I am comparing it to learning the Patronus. I find those situations more comparable. Harry learns the Patronus spell in book 3 from Lupin.
makes sense. he thinks Snape is evil, he feels his scar hurts and he has more dreams after his lessons, like his mind has been weakened. he doesnt trust dumbledore, or himself
he has the suspicion that the Occlumency was less for his protection than protecting others from him. he thinks voldemort might be possessing him. even after finding out that voldemort wasnt possessing him from Ginny, i doubt he fully believed in his Occulemcy lessons, despite what the order told him. the order told him almost nothing except to do something he hates
if dumbledore taught harry occlumecy, harry probably could have done a lot better and the department of mysteries might never have happened
hit me like a freight train when you mentioned how harry was a FRIENDLESS 11 year old, yet REFUSED friendship from someone who seemed so confident and authoritative, because i know i could never do what he did.
To be fair, he had made one(1) friend at the time. But he was so instantly ride-or-die with Ron that he looked rich bully Draco Malfoy in the eye and said “no thanks 😊” and never looked back
It’s something that takes almost a double source of goodness.
It’s something that takes almost a double source of goodness.
This is maybe a more depressing take, but personally I've always felt Harry resisted the imperius curse so easily is the method theimperius curse uses to compel obedience, it's basically happiness/bliss/pleassure, something Harry's been denied pretty much his whole life. And by the end of the series, I truly think Harry just mistrusts being happy, after his first year of hogwarts he is instantly afraid his friends hate him after Dobby takes all the letters, year two has everyone in the class turn on him, year 3 he gets lied to by fudge, every time Harry has really opened and let himself be happy, it comes crashing down, thought he had a home away from the Dursley's in book 3, and that was ripped from him too. So the imperius curse just being..a carefree feeling makes Harry question it, and the second he's aware enough to question, realizes he doesn't want to do it.
Edit: The main reason I feel this more than just the 'strength of character' argument, is because as Ben even points out later in this video, a lot of the main cast share a lot of the same traits as Harry, but most, sans perhaps Neville, at least are way more comfortable being happy. And even Neville, despite how rough his grandmother can be around the edges, I feel still felt loved by his family, still got gifts, like f rom his uncle algae, and perhaps that helps him also lean into it.
But if that were the case, Felix wouldn't have worked on him. Since it too works the same way
You know what I totally agree with you👍
@@vivekanand9944 not really Felix makes your endeavors come true. Imperius curse makes you under the control of someone else
Cool
To be fair to other none depression explanations the other voice is not resisting but rather halting. Containment. He is protected by Capitalism.
You forgot to mention Neville who stood up to the Carrows, Neville who stood up to the woman who basically orphaned him, Neville who every school week walked into a room and sat with his worst bully, Neville who stood up to Voldemort + a giant killer snake and finally Neville who got screwed by Hollywood but still did the most badass thing in any movie.
Neville is really brave, but I don't think he questions authority figures as much. Certainly not at 14.
@@luciussakura5031 I totally agree and I also don't get how the movies did him dirty? I mean of course we don't see every scene with Neville in the books but in my opinion the most important ones we get. It was a bit sad that they left out St. Mungo but that doesn't mean that we don't get to see his character growth throughout the movies.
@@resathe6760 Movies never showed he could have been the chosen one, they also never explained him using his fathers wand and getting much better at magic after getting his own wand at 6th year. It stayed as the clumsy guy who somehow got a few glorious moment at the end
@@okanidug6035 the movie shows his growth in magic with the DA and I honestly can't remember many scenes with Neville in book six that stood out. There is always room for improvement but movies just have to cut some stuff from books that are 500 to 1000 pages long and in my opinion they did absolutely okay by Neville's storyline
Beautiful, 😥😥😥😥
Harry isn't bad at occlumency Snape is one of the most powerful at it and he wasn't being a good teacher. Even so Harry was able to resist him somewhat. There is a big difference between not blocking out Snape and Voldermort and being bad at occlumancy.
yh and even with voldemort it’s not even just legilemency, he’s got voldemort’s soul in him so there’s a good chance oclumency couldn’t have kept him out of harry’s mind anyway
My theory was always that having part of Voldemort 's soul MADE Harry able to resist.
I disagree. Harry himself acknowledges that he is really bad at Occlumency.
Technically he was a great teacher... if someone is going to try and invade your thoughts... they arnt going to warn you about it.... there is even practice he can do and he just says screw it.... cause half of him wants to see what voldemort is thinking... i mean voldemort doesn't even have to say the spell he can just look at people and tell.... so snape was doing harry a favor. And with how important it was you think Dumbledore would have tried to teach harry it himself but no he picked snape... cause dudes been lying to voldy for decades
@@neemz0117There's logic to this, but I disagree because there are still much better ways to teach Harry. What Snape does in this is akin to teaching someone to swim by dropping them off the side of a boat in the middle of the ocean, instead of starting in the shallow end of a pool. Or trying to teach someone math by giving them a college level Calculus 3 test, instead of just starting with addition and subtraction. You're absolutely right that Harry wouldn't be getting any warning from Voldemort, but that doesn't mean that when _teaching_ someone how to do a thing, you should start by giving them the hardest lesson and discouraging them every step of the way.
One thing I’ve always never understood in the series is when Harry and Ron were in the forbidden forest in chamber of secrets and they stumble upon Ron’s fathers car. What made the car behave like that? I’d love to see a video on it. It’s one thing I’ve never seen anyone make a video on. Just an idea.
Maybe snape did it to save them?
I just thought it was malfunctioning
It's the family car probably enchanted to protect the people in the weasley family harry being a surrogate memeber
Plot device?
I think the Weasley's car gained some form of sentience due to a couple of things:
1) Arthur Weasley tinkered with it whenever he had a spare moment of time away from his job and family, giving it capabilities like flight and invisibilty
2) The car was left in the Forbidden forest and as confusing as this may sound, could have very well absorbed enough wild magical energy from the forest and Hogwarts to gain an awareness of sorts.
Of course that's just my opinion.
I am so upset that we didn’t get to see Neville do gymnastics in the movie
Crouch did it of screen. Thats why neville is so thin later
My guy, the words "I am so upset" and "the movie" are enough. We all hated the movies...
@@tanishamadhavan1678 The movies? Can't agree with that. The 4th movie? Absolutely, it is a monstrous insult to the best book in the series
@@Kelarys calling it now, you just started a war by saying that goblet is the best book
(IMO prisoner is the best)
@@jordandraws4212 I agree with you on the third (the best) book but 4 was definitely a close number two
{Souls who used to worry will think that peace is a trap}
This phrase sums up why Harry resisted the curse when Barty Crouch used it on him in class
He suddenly felt a happiness he had never felt before and then ignored this and thought something was wrong, his life was a struggle all along and his childhood with the Dursleys made him resist this curse naturally.
*it has nothing to do with being a horcrux or Lily’s love protection*
The boy can resist it because of his tough upbringing
I agree, mostly. A child that had been abused and/or neglected as much as Harry would see anything that seems perfectly trustworthy as a trap. He would view everyone and everything with suspicion. His friends had to earn his trust. Rom did this by not asking for anything and (Ron being Ron) giving indications that he (Ron) didn't fully trust Harry either. Everyone that tried to push friendship on Harry (like Draco) was immediately rejected by Harry. His past has taught him that overt kindness is just the calm before the storm. While Harry is a fictional character, his mindset is all to real form many people and usually because they have endured the same type of early life as our fictitious friend.
I can relate pretty strongly with this mindset and it still effects me as an adult. It definitely can make things worse for you when you miss good opportunities with making good friends and making work relationships difficult. It's gotten me in a bit of trouble quite often in my life.
So I just realised something (20 years later but whatever): This lesson is a perfect opportunity for Crouch Jr to try to put Harry under his command with the imperius curse. Dumbledore trust him completly and allow him to use a forbidden curse on all his students, including Harry. We know that someone can be kept under the imperius curse for month, even years without anyone notice it. So having Harry under the imperius curse would have secure his victory and Voldemort's plan : Harry wouldn't have tried to save more than 1 person from the mermaids because Crouch wouldn't allow him to. In the maze, harry wouldn't have tried to save the others either and certainly wouldn't allow Diggory to come with him. So Maugrey aka Crouch forced harry to try the imperius curse again and again and again (Harry is complety sore after this) not to train him but to try to get the best of him.
I like the theory. It would have made things much easier for the bad guys.
Not only that, Barty is one of the teachers that has shaped Harry's future the most in my opinion, since is because of him that he wanted to become an auror, his interest started when Barty told him that he had what was needed to become a good one.
I'm pretty sure the reason he got so obsessed with Harry perfecting his resistance to the Imperius is the fact that he lived his whole life under it, so he couldn't help but admire Harry for being able to resist it first try even if only half way.
I find really interesting how much Barty seemingly ended up really caring about Harry for someone that wanted him dead, ironically his advice for Harry was almost at the level of Lupin, meaning that among the teachers of Defense Harry had he was probably among the top three.
Yeah
@@KaiiAyrenNevaeh "probably among the top 3" the only other real teachers he had in defense against the dark arts where lupin and snape, the other 3 where complete jokes when it comes to the art off teaching. quirrel might have been a protegy when he was a student, but there wasent much left off that when he returned.
I think it's fitting Dumbledore was drawn to the two wizards who questioned the consequences, weighed the outcomes, but still chose to do what they knew was right.
As if Dumbledore, in his age and wisdom, was drawn to them because they did what he could not. His sister's death weighed on him, but I believe that by watching Newt and Harry, Dumbledore believed he was atoning for his past by cultivating a new generation who would not fail to do what was right, no matter the cost. To do what he never did.
This is good.
Beautiful
I love this explanation! People always seem to like the side characters throughout the story more and complain about Harry but I’ve really grown to appreciate Harry’s character throughout my many rereads of the series. This tendency to always question authority is one of my favourite character traits of his.
Exactly! When people ask me who is your favorite character from Harry Potter, I say "Harry Potter!". He has such an amazing personality that I have always looked up to.
Me too! I also thought the complaints about him in book 5 were a little unfair considering he saw a dark wizard rise through the blood he was tied and forced for and saw cedric die as a 13 year old!
@@everlastingzee *14 year old, but you are definitely right
My friend and I had this discussion about him once. We both agreed that his innate stubbornness, and the fact that he was a born fighter, and well knew what manipulation looked like. But I think there is another element to it. Half of fighting against something is just knowing that you can fight it. Almost all the other students lived in the wizarding world. They knew and feared that curse. A teacher saying that you can fight it would, probably, not do much to really make them believe that you can. Especially when they see their classmates easily controlled. Harry had no ingrained conceptions. He took the teacher at face value when he was told it can be resisted, and then his considerable fighting spirit and stubbornness came into play. Also, it probably helped that he knew the attack was coming. I imagine the Imperius Curse is harder to resist, if you are taken by surprise. And that experience in knowing what it felt like, and having some experience in fighting it, gave him an edge in resisting Voldemort.
Next theory: what EXACTLY are the origins of pure bloods
This is a great topic.
Like, why is there a difference between magic and muggle blood in the first place
@@radcircles9865 thought it had to do with an old war? Wasnt that explained in FBAWTFT
@@TemphinFD no. I have watch that film too many times to know that it wasn’t addressed. The war they talk about is World Wa r One, which is not the origin of pure-bloods. It has to be during the ancient times (during/before the time of Herpo The Foul: the first parselmouth and the first person to hatch a basilisk & make a horcrux
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I think that Harry can resist the imperius curse because he's been subconsciously fighting off a dark presence within him since he was a baby. He's become immune to mind control
How come he is so bad at occlumency and gets tricked into going to the department of mysteries
@@gingerkat7775 I think its a little different. occlumency is all about controlling one's emotions. Harry wears his on his sleeve.
@@geography_guy335 hence why snape is so good at it.... dudes dead inside.
@@neemz0117 ouch 😂
When Ben mentions all the times Harry could have gotten expelled, I can’t help but think of Dumbledore telling Harry and Ron in Chamber of Secrets how they broke almost every school rule and naturally deserve honorary awards to the school.
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@@blazinggenres1053 you can now
THEORY : He only used the imperius curse on each of the students to have an excuse to see if Harry would be susceptible to it at a later date - perhaps the maze.
I thought something similar, but I thought he could just leave harry imperioused
But why would he even doubt that? In all the other cases we know it took grownup wizards years to fight off this curse, sure he thought a teenager could be imperiused for a couple of hours.
I actually think he was playing his role, after all, no one, not even Dumbledore, knew he wasn’t the real Moody. So playing the role meant doing whatever moody would do, and moody probably had prepared a course schedule soon after the end of Harry’s 3rd year (which is a good guess for when Dumbledore would’ve sought him out after Remus quit due to Snape) and planning a schedule and course work for 7 different classes would take a lot of time to make. So moody probably had most or all of it prepped before he got jumped, and Barty Jr. used it as is, filled in the blanks, or tortured/imperious’d moody into finishing it.
@@thenoobdiaries864 that would raise suspicion?
@@ЖаннаКалишевич true, but this is Harry we're talking about the kid who at 13 fought off an entire swarm of dementors. But fair
Totally agree! In fact, it's so ingrained in him that he even does it unconsciously. When Petunia cut his hair short to get rid of it sticking up, Harry grew it back without knowing how it happened. When Dudley pushes Harry out of the way at the zoo, Harry responds to it by making the glass disappear without even knowing how he did it. He was resisting their control even then.
Fans: Harry shouldn’t be able to resist the imperius curse.
Harry: “bUt i Am tHe cHoSeN oNe”
Fans and Hermione: *SMACK*
*SMACK*
*SMACK*
SMACK!!!!!
So was anakin and the lava didn't care about that.....
@@mudpie6927 well, technically he did survive the lava, right?
“Harry didn’t master occlumency-“
Let’s just cut that sentence off there. Harry didn’t master occlumency, at all.
Isn’t that just because Snape is the one who is trying to teach him? It’s like he said in the books, it’s kinda hard to control your emotions when you’re around someone you despise. Also, he didn’t really try because he wanted to find out what that corridor was that he kept dreaming about.
He manage dit lster
He did eventually learn it by himself in Deathly Hallows, while they were in hiding and looking for Horcruxes.
Harry was dealing with PTSD and Snape made it worse with the occlumency lessons
Hated that plot point. It was only there so Harry could see his dad being an idiot, and get caught by umbridge in her fire.
I will say, Harry's inner dialogue when resisting the Imperius is very much what happens when you try to hypnotize a controlling/resistant person...
You made me do this
No it's because Harry took the wand of Draco
@831 blacksheep basically Harry disarms Draco and starts using his wand but the elder wand was also attached to Draco without him knowing it so then Harry was it's master. I personally don't understand the final battle and HATED the movie version,because like he said he was literally nearly killed with the elder wand and should've been? But anyway yeah
“But I am the chosen one.”
*SMACK*
Still my favorite scene! XD
Kinda wish that happen throughout the entire series when Harry does something and only survive because of plot armor.
Technically the only thing that truly died in the woods by the elder wand was the Horcrux that was part of harry... Harry survived... so the elder wand actually directed the curse only to the piece of Voldemort that lived within Harry and not Harry himself...
Yeah, this has always been my theory too.
I thought he resisted it because he was a subscriber of supercarlinbrothers, good theory guys, don’t forget to like
That does help!
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@@SuperCarlinBrothers this is one of those comments that should be pinned
@@thesausageman5388 you can only pin one comment and they pin their own comment
He had a caffeine addiction, which is super resistant to the Imperius Curse.
#SuperCarlinBrothersCoffee
What if there is something to the “voldy soul piece” theory? What if the imperious curse has a weaker hold on Harry because of the two souls inside of him, like the curse’s power is divided between the two souls, so Harry’s natural defiance is powerful enough to break through the Imperius curse?
Interesting thought. I could see this too.
Someone : * Cast Imperius curse on Harry *
Harry : * feels a sense of tranquillity wash over him *
Harry : Serotonin? In 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 economy?
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I always thought Harry standing up to Malfoy was because he recognised that he was like Dudley and knew he didn't want to be like that
Yupp! This is definitely how I always interpreted it. He immediately recognized Draco as Dudley and was like nope, i'll stick with the nice ginger kid who didn't ask me for anything or demand anything :)
That’s literally how it goes in the book. When Harry is in Diagon Alley with Hagrid, Hagrid leaves him as he gets his robes fitted, and Draco is there, and the way he talks and acts immediately makes him think of Dudley and immediately dislike him
That’s also the first reason he doesn’t want to be a slytherin, because Draco says slytherin is best and Harry is like not if you’re in it lol
I saw a post on reddit (don't know who it was but credit to them) it suggested that for almost his whole life, Harry has never really felt completely safe and happy. The Imperious curse makes you feel exactly that, so Harry went "I feel safe and happy? This is wrong." And threw off the curse.
1. Harry’s mothers sacrifice for protection.
2. Voldemorts soul in him making himself a living horcrux similar to nagini, which requires the use of the godric sword which was empowered by basalisk to kill.
3. Courage to defy unjust conditions without the knowledge or understanding of the previous protections.
4. Raised in horrible conditions without somehow becoming resentful of authority, just healthily skeptical.
Only that which destroys an object beyond most magical repair, can destroy a Horcrux.
The sword wasn't required for Nagini. Death is still death.
You cannot magically repair from death.
They just happened to have the sword. Dumbledore say's it's a bad idea to choose a living thing. Because it operates on its own.
If it was virtually indestructible, it wouldn't matter.
Also if being a Horcrux made a person immortal. Why didn't Voldemort just force 20 death eaters to use him as a Horcrux. Instead of splitting his own soul.
It makes no sense.
Also the cast tried dozens of things. To destroy the locket and it was completely undamaged.
Harry was almost near death every book. Doubt a bludger can damage any other horcrux.
This would actually fit for one other character in the series, Luna. While Neville and Ginny both helped her to lead the reformed DA, Luna is in a unique position to the other two. She's an outsider who's father ran one of the few papers that supported Harry during the first parts of the second Wizarding war. She's outspoken and flamboyant to the point that she had a lion head hat to support her friends in Gryffindor. She's someone that Harry never had an issue being around at all times. Which is saying something compared to Ron who goes through plenty of friction with Harry throughout the years or Hermione who strains against him while on the run.
@@med6168 this is more of a physical trait thing.
Also, Harry is not used to feeling blissful and found it immediately suspicious... His whole life was too filled with bad for him to trust a good feeling.
That’s a really good point
@@brennacampbell8096 that is really try
This is the theory I prefer.
Feeling blissful? In this economy? Something must be wrong.
This could be the case yes..if you look at it from this angle..or I'd just say that Harry loves to defy the authority figures he comes across..and then the thought that a part of Voldemort lives inside Harry owns self..why can't we see this important point and relate it to the fact..that due to this Harry is able to easily counter of these curses man..cmn help me out!!😅
I've felt for a long time that part of why he can resist the Imperius curse is that he has had to sequester Voldie in his mind since he was so young (without even realizing it, since he was turned into a Horcrux as a literal baby). It also would contribute to his lack of skill in Occlumency--his mind is preoccupied with maintaining internal walls rather than constructing new ones to protect the outside
No it's because Harry took the wand from Draco in a completely separate incident
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NO IT IS NOT!
You forgot important details. Harry physically took the wand from Draco in a completely separate independent
Is this a real SCB channel?
I feel like he is drawn to or motivated which makes himself better at resisting these curses.
For example Harry is motivated to learn expecto patronum because of his upcoming quidditch match . He is not motivated to learn occulumency because of Snape
So basically me explaining a complex theory about a fictional universe vs me explaining a simple five-sentence answer to a question for homework.
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 Yep. Sounds about right. It's the same for me. 😆
That means anyone could do it? As long as they’re motivated
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 I feel so called out
Boy, if only English teachers allowed us to write our essays on Harry Potter instead
@@frmug Anyone could learn to do it, yes. Like learning a difficult skill that you’re really interested in. But as the Patronus is only really used against dementors, and people tend to avoid coming within a mile of them, it’s a bit pointless for them to learn this tricky spell.
Excellent analysis. I think the link between Harry's attitude to unjust authority and his ability to resist the imperius curse is seamless.
It's not because Harry just took Draco's wand on a completely separate incident
It's because Harry _won the allegiance_ of Draco's wand in a completely separate incident
Of whose wand?
But what does Draco’s wand have to do with the Elder Wand?
No it's because Harry took the wand of Draco
@@inertian4723 Draco was the master of the elder wand...I guess if the owner of the elder wand gets disarmed anyway (even though he wasn't using the elder wand) they lose the ownership of the wand....that is my guess...
...by taking away his wand
Dumbledore made this monologue to Harry:
"...... Difficult times lay ahead. Everyone will have to make a choice between 'What is RIGHT.......and What is EASY !?!'". Doing what those in charge tell you is EASY. Refusing to listen to those in charge and doing what is RIGHT is hard and requires true strength
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You know I never thought about why he could. But this makes total sense. He literally questions EVERYTHING and doesn't get swayed easily by authority "just because they say so" which is one thing I always loved.
Harry: **gets it by a literal torture spell**
Also Harry: no.
11 year old malfoy said “it’s over potter! I have the high ground!”
11 year old harry said “you underestimate my power!”
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I think the horcrux inside Harry is aware and defends itself like when his wand shoots the golden flames on its own like how the other horcruxes try to defend themselves
Nice
that was his wand that did that, not the horcrux
his wand learned from voldemort in the end of goblet of fire and was able to regurgitate some of voldemorts own magic back at him in 7th book, according to dumbledore
Actually it's because he finds it weird to be at complete ease. Everyone else likes the break from having to control themselves but Harry was like "what is this calmness? Summats up"
But that's just a theory. A COMMENT THEORY. Thx for reading
This is definitely the reading I took away from the scene. Harry's life is a constant struggle. The feeling of the Imperius Curse would be so counter to what he's come to expect, his mind rebels fiercely against its weirdness. While normal people with normal worries embrace the feeling of giving up control for a moment.
@@tyrannicpuppy Yeah Harry isn't the type to give up constant vigilance. If you read the books you can see him constantly looking around never really relaxing.
Nice reference to Game/Film/Food Theory
Yeah like I feel like I would feel so weird I get creeped out when those like calm app and come on in there like whispering to me and trying to get me to fall asleep I'm like no my flight or fight response comes on I might skip skip skip but I think that's just my ADHD telling me some random things are bad
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Defiance!
For the record the reason Harry survived the killing curse is because when Voldemort remade his body, he took Harry's blood. By doing that he took inside himself the protective magic that was protecting Harry from Voldemort and was tethering Harry to life. As long as Voldemort was alive he was keeping Harry alive. And because Harry couldn't die the only thing the Killing Curse killed was the piece of soul Voldemort accidentally put inside Harry.
And yet, the Cursed Child play script exists... I'm with you buddy, the whole play is just a huge contradiction. At least that's how I see it.
@@MrSpacelyy that’s the resurrection stone , it lets him see people that are dead , not the philosophers stone witch granted eternal youth , the philosophers stone doesn’t stop murder from happening as I understand it, but nonetheless two different stones
@@MrSpacelyy omg imagine using "watched the movie" as a flex.
And not even being right. The stone has nothing to do with staying alive.
Not even the philosopher's stone protects from killing curses.
No. He didn't die because he was the master of death, which is why he had the "choice" to come back or not. If it was his mother's protection, he wouldn't have had a choice.
There was also the fact that Harry was the master of the Elder Wand. It could never kill it's true master.
It is clearly a result of Harry's legendary ability for Occlumency
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I'd like to fuse this with another theory, that the Hallows Brothers made the Unforgivable Curses, and Harry gets to resist it BECAUSE he's descended from the creator. I mean, surely you'd have a backdoor to prevent being entranced by your hypnotic spell.
Tbh I kinda thought Harry could resist it so much was because of how peaceful and tranquil the imperius curse is supposed to make you feel. He’s had constant turmoil in his life since he was left at the Dursley’s. I feel like his brain would just be like, nope, this isn’t right. I don’t know what peace is. I kind of feel like that’s a childhood trauma thing
Probably a bad sign that my initial thought was "cause he's mildly insane"
Lol well
That's actually an interesting thought. Given the "voices" in his head arguing, would a schizophrenic wizard be more or less susceptible to the Imperius curse?
@@Sablemike38 I think it'd depend on the personality of the wizard in question. Maybe 1 person would just see the "new voice" as just like the others and ignore it. Or they could again treat the new voice just like the others and thus follow it implicitly. Maybe the other voices would, like with Harry, argue with the "new voice." Fun thought experiment.
@@wanderingshade8383 I'd wager the strength and intent of the caster versus the strength of the person's delusions would factor in. Maybe the "new voice" would overpower the others, or again they might resist it.
No no, that tracks
I think it’s the existence of the soul fragment that sort confuses the curse. Which explains why Riddle also struggles. Effectively he’s cursing part of himself too and it makes it less effective.
This doesn’t require any active action by the fragment or any skills. That’s not to say Harry’s very strong willpower isn’t a factor…but not alone.
2:05 the wand accepts him because he *CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD!*
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Like Dumbledore said:
"It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies but a great deal more to stand up to your friends."
Harry isn’t bad a oculusmency he isn’t trying. Harry wants the ability to see in voldys minds. When he first starts he gives Snape a hard time.
Snape dosent says anything about Harry being bad at occulusmency, al he says is that Harry needs to try harder. So I think just like you.
I mean his mind is also being penetrated by a guy who has bullied him relentlessly for 5 years. You try cooperating with an adult who bullied you at 11.
@@visionary3172 kinda sus
@@visionary3172 😳
Also, Snape doesn't really teach him how to close his mind, he basically says "do it now" and "try harder".
Is Harry resisting the Imperious Curse or is the Imperious Curse resisting Harry? 👀
Hmmm
a real thinker
Don’t try to make it deep it’s not
True dat
@@matthewbates9629 don’t make fun of her/him she is just trying to understand it’s a bit hard to think so deep you just jealous
Crouch is teaching the class to resist the curse and it takes Harry a couple trys. Crouch is so excited to help voldermort with his plans but it's almost like he doesn't want to make it too easy on him, this is why Crouch is my favorite character also it's David Tennant
My first thought was he’s admirably stubborn and defiant and has morals that are no only about himself. I love him for that.
Because he’s HARRY FREAKIN POTTER
Well thats true!
Lol true
🎵"You don't understand
You're a legend, man,
To us all!" 🎵
That’s one way to put it
The boy who was EPIC
“Just because you’re a member of authority doesn’t mean you’re right” J. K. Rowling with the Harry Potter series lol
Isn’t it weird he can resist the imperius but sucks at occlumency
He couldn't focus and close his mind but he could challenge the weird order his new inner voice gave him, sounds like two different things to me
Except both involve someone entering your mind and tampering with it. That's fairly similar.
@@fightingmedialounge519 but he didn’t stop the imperious curse from entering his mind he only stopped himself from doing what it said
Because Snape was a sick teacher, who is the sane person Who makes the sadistic Snape who hates James Potter to teaching Harry the occlumency
Dumbledore is really crazy
Short answer: he’s literally, you know A GOD/the one/the protagonist.
Long answer:this video
The way I see it is that Harry taking the wand from Draco made the wand consider him as a potential master but not accept him outright until he let Voldy kill him, making him the master of death and therefore master of the Elder Wand
I like the idea of the part of Voldemort's soul protecting Harry. As horcruxes will always try to protect the vessel they are attached to from attacks.
This could explain why Harry is so adept at resisting the other curses as well, since Harry was able to resist the cruciotus curse as well.
It would add a nice layer to horcrux lore if the soul was able to instinctively protect itself, unaware from the allegiance of the attacker
Interesting thought but that wouldn't explain why harry was protected from the Cruciotus curse in the forest after Voldemort tried to kill him. First off I don't recall Harry being protected from this curse before now, Second the Soul shard of Voldemort's is gone at this point and last, It wouldn't be Likely to try to protect itself from the very person whose soul it belongs to.
So his personality trait of having a questioning attitude (which he inherited from his dad & led to them both "disregarding the rules") was affected by his early childhood experiences of unfair treatment & authority figures abusing their power over him. So this attitude evolved into stubbornly questioning whether any authority figure was right before emotionally trusting & following them. 🤔 That definitely makes sense!
I couldn’t agree more
I love your reasoning! I also would like to add how Harry, throughout his entire time in and out of Hogwarts,has zero problems saying "Professor" McGonagall, "Professor" Dumbledore, "Professor" Sprout, etc! But the potions master was just "Snape". Deep down Harry knew Severus had something about him that was too questioning!! That might have been why his Occlumency lessons didn't go well...😏🤔
Snape was very ridiculous (no not the antiboggart spell) but
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ultimately proved to be on the good side.
Strength of will and character. That's how he does it by the time he was a fourth year, he had already faced Voldemort 3 times, fought off 100 or so dementors, freaking TIME TRAVELED, relived his worst memories among many other things he's done. He has a very strong will and a very strong character.
I always thought that because Harry's had such a difficult life that when the spell made him feel so calm and relaxed and happy that it just felt so wrong to him. But I think I love this theory more!
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Thinking the same thing
But then why doesnt harry resist the inffluence of luquid lucky?? In the book you can read very clearly that he doesnt know why he does it but it just feels right and harry happely accepts that. Shouldnt harry question that feeling too?
@@Azrael4Real Harry accepts it because liquid luck is a placebo, meant to make you more confident and happy. He is trying to induce the feeling so he isn't worried about it because he knows why. If things are just good for no reason, that's when he is suspicious.
@@Smarty316 aboit it being a placebo there isnt confirmed although i think there is more to it then just luck. But to harry and crew it is just luquid luck. They think it will make everything you do go right. They didnt know it was going to tell you what to do. Thats why hermione and ron are so confused about harry going to hagrid. If they knew they should do everthing after drinking liquid luck because that how it work they wouldnt be suprised about harry going to hagrid. But no they wanted harry to go to slughorn and ask. The voice inside harry's head is totally new to them.
I recall hearing that the imperious curse works by creating a sense of bliss in the individual with regards to obeying orders. Given his upbringing he typically experienced a lot of discomfort in obeying instructions. Like cooking breakfast for the dursleys , etc. I think this factored in to his ability to resist the imperious curse, and maybe even his character. The closest feeling of bliss we ever see harry experience is when he is looking at the mirror of erised . And then riding buckbeak.
No, it's because Harry took the wand from Draco in a completely separate incident.
(...obviosuly. :3)
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12:51 “Never underestimate the stairs!”
Neville: *Note taken*
Seriously guys, never underestimate the stairs. Putting himself at the top of the stairs to talk to Harry, Draco puts himself in higher authority than he already had due to the awe other students gave him, because only important people physically stand higher so that you have to look up at them. Never underestimate the stairs
Yes exactly, he had the high ground so harry definitely shouldnt try it. Yet harry insists malfoy not underestimate his power, even though it's the other way around.
When mcgconawgle keeps stepping up the stairs so that umbridge is way shprter than her😂😂😂 and then umbridge tries to step up the stairs too
No Ben, it's because Harry took the wand from Draco in a completely separate incident.
Ah you beat me to it! I thought I was so clever
@@secretcarlinbrothers2666 she did not beat you or he
No because harry wouldn't have resisted the curse before that if it was just because of getting draco's wand this in my opinion is wrong
@@virginiasantiagofox6461 It's he.
The reason Harry resisted the Imperius Curse is because he has the one thing that can beat them, Plot Armor.
For myself I have a quite simple explanation on how Harry "resisted" the Cruciatus curse. For me it's because he was in such overwhelming pain at this moment it didn't matter - and by that I don't necessarily mean physical pain, but the mental pain. Harry is the person that takes all the pain of every single loss, the pain every single person felt due to this battle on himself. Everything that happened during the hours of the Battle of Hogwarts and everything he learned, the effort it took him to sacrifice himself and the pain he felt trying to break away from everything he loves, he already pushed himself as far as it could get. The pain delivered by the cruciatus curse was just a drop in the ocean at this point.
i thought Cruico causes physical pain, not emotional. its torture. dementors would cause that kind of mental agony
i thought he's able to resist the unforgivable curse for the exact same reason he resists the killing curse: dark magic from voldemort. harry is immune to voldemorts dark magic because of Lily's blood in both of them
If we go with this theory Then we could also link it back to Dumbledore's Big Plan.
That is to say Dumbledore put Harry into the care of the Durslies as a way to instill this very ability and mindset into him.
I don’t think he intended it. In book six when he picks up Harry, he is pretty angry with them for not taking proper care of Harry.
That would be super dark of Dumbledore. That's like deliberately putting someone in a position to be traumatized because PTSD makes them more vigilant which can be useful. Only he did it to an infant.
@@amberjewell3894 well, we are talking about the man who "raised him like a pig for slaughter".
That being said, I'm a big Dumby supporter, so this is not coming from a place of hate. I'm just saying, he did a few dark and questionable things "for the greater good"...
@@merenwen4495 im more angry that it took him that long to say anything about it. Justifies some of the dumbledore bashing fanfics.
The wand recognized the piece of Voldemort in Harry and allowed Moldybutt to use the curse to kill it. Don't forget that the sentient wand belonged to Dumbledore and probably knew the plan and understood that its master wouldn't die... at least not fully.
I always thought it was because the imperius made the victim feel a sense of peace that Harry has never felt and so he thought, 'Oh, wait, this isn't right' and was able to take control that way. Not to mention his supreme amount of stubbornness.
12:50 - Draco: It's over Potter! I have the high ground!
Harry: You underestimate my power!
Don't spells usually need some kind of intention to work properly? So my explanation for why Harry wasn't harmed by the Cruciatus curse is that Voldemort didn't believe it possible for Harry to still be alive after "killing" him with the elder wand, thus lacking intent.
I also think that during his first year he developed his mistrust of authority even more when no adult listens to him about the Philosopher's Stone and has to take care of it himself. We also see Snape (who mistreats Harry for no reason), Lockheart (who is unreliable and incompetent in the face of danger), even Fudge. It's no wonder he didn't go to anyone when Umbridge was torturing him.
No, it’s because Harry took the wand from Draco in a completely separate incident.
Come on, Ben, you should know this.
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@@thecouch4702 same
''dont do it'' sounds like an invite to do just that
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0:43 "And not to take away from harry's extreme bravery in both of these instances"
Didn't we just establish that harry was a baby the first time this happened? Not to underestimate babies, but how much bravery could he have had in that moment?
Just the right amount.