Synthesizer V - Vocal Synthesizer from Dreamtonics
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- In this video I look at Synthesizer V a vocal synthesizer from Dreamtonics Japan. I look at how it works and check out some of the results.
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dreamtonics.com/en/synthesizerv/
Phonetics:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPABET
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www.anicute.com/pages/synthes...
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Two years later and now synthv has a cross language function, and basically any singer can sing in English, Chinese, and Japanese! Wow
Great!
i have to sai it... its weird to see an elder man talking about something like vocaloid...but if u are adapted to our new wordl u re so wellcome sir... greetings from argentina and thanks a lot... ive been looking for this one for so loong
I've been interested in artificial voices for quit some time. This is the next step in that development and I'm looking forward to doing more tracks with it. I'm glad the video was of use and thanks for the comments.
It may come as some surprise to you that us elder men were using speech synthesis on 8 bit machines as far back as the early 80's long before GUI's and sound cards were even a thing. =p
ruclips.net/video/Rm4ZCGgzeeU/видео.html
You'll get there soon enough...
I am even 'elder' than him. What does that have to do with the price of eggs?
Thank you so much for putting this together. It's been tremendously helpful.
Glad to hear it. Thanks.
Loved the vid! Thanks :D
Glad you enjoyed!
BIG RESPECT SIR ! YOU ARE A PROOOOOOO
Glad it helped you out!
Great explanation and walkthrough of the features. This is especially helpful for newbies like me
Glad it helped.
The lite banks will be free forever, and you can use them as much as you'd like. The full versions need to be paid for, but even the lite AI banks are excellent and amazing to mess with. It's a much better option than Vocaloid, the only problem is the fact that it's quite recent, so Vocaloid has a much larger catalogue. Not that it matters, as Vocaloid is no longer what it once was and V5 is the worst version of them all.
Yes, the free ones are good. I'm looking forward to doing more with synth V soon.
The lite demo option has 1 pitch layer only for each bank, the paid voices have not only the commercial products allowed but 3 pitch layers, at least for now. The 5 Chinese banks other than the first Blonde girl, Aiko, and the guy, are all released by one company, and their character concept is they're a sister group- they have actually 4 pitch layers. As for doing English with Japanese or Chinese banks, it's been done before with mild success with Vocaloid voices, so should be possible here too, however, since Japanese only has 5 vowels, similar to Spanish, and lacks certain English sounds, and both Chinese and Japanese lack consonant clusters in the same sense that English does, it involves a lot of manual work, including not only the phonetic entry, but clever short notes to mimic sounds, perhaps changing formant (gender) parameters to mimic a certain sound, otherwise you'll still get highly accented result. For example the Japanese r sounds more like "tt" in a US accent with fast speech, or the non-trilled r in Spanish. There isn't an L sound, so you have to use r for L, and r w for the English r. Th in thin and that doesn't exist either. To do a cluster like 'sky' you'd need to use a short 'su' note followed by a 'ka' note, and then an 'i' note. The phonetics for the English bank are arpabet- you can use this site to look up words with the pronunciation : www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict and this site breaks down the sounds, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPABET - however there may be some sounds that are in Arpabet that are not in Synth V, I'm not sure, I'm used to the beta version that was used as a 3rd party synth engine called moresampler for a freeware called UTAU which later grew into this software, and I haven't tested this one. I like the phoneme length thing though, that's an exciting feature.
Thanks for all that extra information, very helpful.
Thanks for the lessons.
No problem.
Bloody good video - Thanks.
Glad it helped!
Great intro video, thanks. Patiently awaiting your pro upgrade thoughts.
Thanks, me too 😁
Well done. Just started fooling around with Synthesizer V and your vid was the best description and hands on operational tutorial I have seen. Thanks very much
Glad it helped!
This is the best tutorial about Synth V on RUclips, by a huge margin. Nothing else comes even close. Thank you, @Runningonair
High praise! Thank you.
So, there's been some new developments with SynthV you might find interesting, so I'll put them here:
- First is the AI voices. They're cheaper to produce and typically have a more expressive/realistic tone along with better pronunciation. There are AI voices available for English (Eleanor Forte AI, Solaria, Tsurumaki Maki ENG AI, ANRI, and KEVIN), Japanese (SAKI AI, Tsurumaki Maki JP AI, Koharu Rikka AI, RYO, Tsuina-chan, and Kyomachi Seika), and Chinese (QING SU).
- If you have the paid editor and the full paid version of ANY AI voicebank, you now have the option to have them sing in any supported language (English, Chinese, and Japanese) other than their native language, by being able to use the dictionary in the language of your choice. This essentially renders all AI banks trilingual from the jump, regardless of what language they were recorded for.
- Dreamtonics has launched their own storefront where you can purchase any vocals they have published along with the editor. So, you can buy SAKI, RYO, KEVIN and QING SU without having to tangle with currency conversions between USD and NT. Or with needing a Chinese phone number to purchase Qing Su off of Taobao.
- The range of Lite voices has expanded to (as of February 2022) now include Tsurumaki Maki AI Lite English, Tsurumaki Maki AI Lite Japanese, Tsurumaki Maki Standard Lite English (this bank sounds like Ralph Wiggum which is quite funny), Tsurumaki Maki Standard Lite Japanese, SAKI AI Lite, Koharu Rikka Lite, Tsuina-Chan Lite, ANRI Lite, Kyomachi Seika Lite, etc.
- A crowdfunding campaign for the English vocalist Solaria got enough funding and was released a few weeks ago. She's voiced by an actual Broadway singer, and seems to have been very successful commercially. So it's possible that her company may release more vocalists, or that there will be more interest in English voicebanks in the space.
- We have an English male vocalist with Kevin. He is very good.
Thanks for the info. It's good to see the product developing!
i am shook his preferred voice settings for eleanor basically predicted how eleanor ai sounds
Does it? Interesting.
@@RunningonairMusic yea, apparently they modified the standard voice to fit more with the mascot design, but the ai bank is more mature (presumably closer to her actual voice provider)
Amazing video, you did a great job on showing Eleanor's vocal capabilities.
I do not know whether you plan making more videos on vocal synthesizers but in case you will I would really enjoy it. There are a lot more interesting synthesizers as Vocaloid (pretty expensive but has more English support), UTAU (completely free but hard to work with first, especially for non-japanese users) or Realivox (English VST based synth with realistic sounds, not free) just to name some.
To that one point in the video:
I'm not a native English speaker myself but I made the experience making the non-english SynthesizerV voices sing in English (or another European language in general) is a lot easier then in other vocal synths, mostly because SynthesizerV doesn't require you to split the syllables for consonant clusters. (E.g. For Japanese, black would be /b r e k/ in SynthesizerV but bu re ku as single syllables in other synths.) Though, especially the Japanese voices will have a big accent.
(A great example of such a usage is the song "Someone New" by VocaCircus featuring Cangqiong, one of the Chinese voices.)
Thanks for the info. Yes, I might do at some stage. I'm mainly looking at regular synths, but just thought this was so interesting that it deserved a video. I'll definitely be using it more on my own tracks.
This is a really well-done and comprehensive video. I watched another one but that did not explain how to get the voice (Eleanor). Drag and drop--works. I look forward to more as you have time. As to Vocaloid, like others, I was put off by the price and the lack of a demo/free version. I can see this technology taking off. I'll next go to the international sales link.
Thanks for the feedback. Glad it helped.
Thank you we are learning this ourselves atm :)
Have fun!
Thanks 👍
Glad it helped.
Very interesting software ... it sounds very useable.
Yes, it's amazing how the technology has developed.
@@RunningonairMusic This kind of software come has come a *long* way since Vocaloid 1 came out in 2004. It's been a journey.
A handy overview and informative as well. I just d/l'd SynthV and have been looking at a few 'tutorials' which were a tad disjointed, to say the least. Thank You!
Glad it helped!
Complexe, mais passionnant ,merci pour ce bon travail...Kool
Thanks
Dreamtonics only provide the software and technology, voice banks are produced by other companies with the exception of Eleanor (originally one of the testing voices) and Saki. So it’s not that it was aimed at East-Asia, but that only East-Asian companies have been attracted to collaborate with them for now.
Probably because dreamtonics is a new company, they chose to use use Animen’s selling platform (Anicute) instead of creating their own, which unfortunately resulted in a confusing buying process for some. Animen is the Chinese company that owns ‘Aiko’.
As for tuning English from jpn and chn voice banks, it potentially requires multi-track editing and editing sounds by messing with dynamics. I was personally unable to rid jpn voice banks of their heavy accent, however I found it relatively easy to make chn voice banks sing English with barely any accent.
OK, thanks for the info. Very interesting.
I'm not so bothered about accents, although it does need to be intelligible. Now I have the full version, I'll look into this. Would be great to get other language versions as well, French would be on my hit list for sure.
After struggling to get the EastWest Backup singers to sing something resembling English, why did I not know about this? The screens are daunting, especially in the absence of a manual, so thank you for allowing daylight in. As there is a new version out, perhaps now is the time for a new video, and perhaps you could spend more time on the basics, e.g. how do you import a midi file and from where? How does this work with Cubase or any other DAW? A really useful video- just need more!
Thanks glad it helped. It's been a while since I used it so I may need to watch my own video to work out how. The album is likely to feature a lot more vocals, so as you say, it might be a good time to refresh it.
Impressive video.Do you have to play your midi track in your DAW and then import it into Synth V editor or can you play directly from your midi controller?You blew my mind when you pulled up the text of your tune,clicked and it appeared on all the midi notes.Amazing and what a time saver!!You earned a like and a subscriber.Great,concise presentation.
Thanks. I found the easiest approach was to import a basic mix from the daw and then voice midi. But i only had the demo version at the time, so I'm planning to go back and try the vst mode, among other things.
I’m at the end of this video (which I was elated to see someone show what all the tools and icons are for) and you asked about other vocal synths.
I have Vocaloid and Emvoice One as well as SynthV Pro. My opinions are only mine so don’t troll me if you disagree.
I find Vocaloid, latest version, difficult to fine tune parameters. Half the voicebanks are AI with different parameters than the non AI Voices. You can’t mix them together.
Also all the voices speak multi-languages and tend to have Asian accents in English. The app and voices are expensive!
I’m sorry I broke down and bought Emvoice One. The “free” app is only a teaser, you pay for the voicebanks. The only parameters are preset styles and a vibrato slider.
I have “Lucy” and in my opinion, she’s not that great. You need an Internet connection to use Emvoice because what you type goes back to Emvoice’s server to produce the sound!
Very limited - and Big Brother can listen in.
Synthesizer V Pro is my latest vocal synth and I am amazed! I have Solaria, Natalie and Kevin voicebanks and can’t get over how real they sound!
The price for what you get is incredible! All of the parametric adjustments available make it the Rolls Royce of vocal synths.
There’s a bit of a learning curve but the results are astounding.
I see this video is from two years ago but I hope this comment is helpful and encouraging to others.
Gianni❤
yes indeed, very helpful. I've not had a need for a vocal synth recently, so have lost touch with it. Hopefully a new project will emerge.
Hi thanks for this - helped me unravel the mysteries - good video. I notice it's three years old now when you ask for similar voice synths. Are you aware of Emvoice One?
Thanks, no I've not been looking much into this recently.
There is another program called Em voice. It doesn't have the same capabilities and doesn't sound as good, but has a different workflow. It can run right in your daw and can be controlled in your daw. This has a free version with a pitch range limited to 7 notes, not even an octave. Ther is a paid version.
There is yet another one called alter/ego from plogue. This even sounds less realistic, but can also be midi controlled in your daw. You type the words into it and it sings it as you send midi to it. Even though it doesn't sound as good it can be "played" like an instrument more than the others. I think this only has a free version. There are only two voices, info on a future third voice. I feel that only one of the voices are even decent sounding. But it is fun to play with a keyboard.
Thanks for the info. Yes, I know Plogue. I have chipssounds and was considering getting chipspeech. I might well look into those.
Have you been thinking of revisiting this software? Saki AI is really cool!
Yes, there's a number of things i want to look at.
Very useful, thank you. To get an idea of how easy (or not) it is to pick up, may I ask how much time you spent getting familiar with it to the point you could create this video ?
I'm really not sure, is the most honest answer. At a guess I'd say at least 2 working days. So around 16 hours (maybe).
@@RunningonairMusic Thanks. That gives me a fair idea of how much time I should put in before I get a half-decent result.
@@MGLondon no problem. FYI, I'm planning on a follow up, as there are a few things I want to try out and I have the full version now.
Why don't you try making a song with this? The Engine has improved so far, just check all those covers and songs made with it. They sound so realistic.
Yes, I'd like to do another song but just haven't found the right idea yet. The last song is on the BAU album, although i wasn't trying for realism on that one.
in the video you said something about commercial usage of the voicebanks if you're using the trial, is it alright/safe to like for example publish a video with the voicebank but not monetize/make money off of it it at all if you have the trial?
For lite version, all it says is "Commercial Usage not permitted", if you're not making money then it's not commercial, in my opinion. You do need to give attribution though, as per the the download page:
resource.dreamtonics.com/download/
This is a very impressive tuts. Approach notes to targeted should work and you did not talk much about this engines vibrato. Is this also a 16bit system like vocaloid?
Thanks, I don't know about the number of bits used.
I purchased a copy of Synth V pro and a couple of voices, I use cakewalk but im having trouble using it in the software as a plugin (VSTi) I know your not using cakewalk but would you know the path that I need to 'point' the vst plug in manager to find the plugin file. I pointed it at the dreamtronics folder but it does not seem to find it. I looked in the the folder for a *.dll file or vst file and there does not appear to be one there. any help would be appreciated.
c:\program files\common files\VST3\synthv-studio-plugin-x64.vst3 this is the path in my cakewalk setup. It doesn't give you a choice, so I guess it can only be here. If you don't find it, then it might not be installed correctly. Are you perhaps still on the demo version, which doesn't support VST?
At the top i do not get the file edit modify project transport misc options
Sorry, no idea what the problem is. You could try to uninstall and reinstall perhaps?
How do you enable to see all piano keys?
I don't think you can. They've kept it to around 2 octave range, which is in line with the vocal range. If you want to do more, you'll need to scroll up and down.
does it work as vst for cubase/pro tools/mixcraft as well?
It's a VST, so probably. I have no way to test that though.
Have you ever had Synth V refuse to play after a pause of a few hours?I did just that today after putting in 9 hours yesterday on my DAW preparing a tune for Synth V.I worked on the Synth V today for five hours editing words and making changes and stopped for dinner.Came back and it would not budge.Everything seems to work on it besides that.I can adjust notes,change vibrato etc.,but no sound.Afraid to turn it off as I will lose a weekends worth of work.Any ideas?From what I heard I am not the only one,according to the forums on line.Thanks,if you know,thanks if you can`t anyway.
I don't remember that issue. It's been a while since i used it though.
@@RunningonairMusic Thanks.Gives one pause when considering the Pro version though.Cheers.
Not a product I would use myself but I found this very interesting, and I think the interface design is great! The voices are never going to sound like real people, but that's not the goal. For my taste I think the portamento sliders would be around 75%...
Agreed. If they ever get these things to sound 100% real, i doubt I'll be interested. I prefer uncanny valley!
You should listen to Solaria, there are some good users of ver voice that can make her sound 100% like a real human being, her voicebank has really good quality 👌✨
ruclips.net/video/2cQJ19hQEZ0/видео.html
Thanks for the info!
Does the paid versión allow comercial use?
Yes
thank you @@RunningonairMusic
I tried to buy it but the process is so extremely confusing, plus de english voice bank (Eleanor) is not available at the moment for some reason...
Hi, I'd only tried the demo version, so had not been put through that hell till today! I think I accidentally ordered it in Chinese!! anyway, enough of my problems. I've added some links in the description of where I think you should go. Only the Eleanor demo voice pack is available currently, but that's what I used and it sound fine to me.
@@RunningonairMusic I really don't understand why they don't use western retailers, they are probably missing a crazy amount of sales due to that absolute nightmare of purchasing process. I'll wait until elanor's voice is available for the studio pro version. Which I don't understand either because I think it used to be since I've seen so many trcks using eleanor's voice, maybe they haven't adapted it to the new version of the software? ... so did you get the studio pro version?
@@HumanBeingWithFeelings I don't think they understand how confusing it is to wade through multiple sites in a mixture of Japanese and Chinese to find an English version. Also, The Elenore "demo pack" is the one I use in the video.
I just left a post on their forum trying to explain the problem. Hopefully they'll sort it out.
@@RunningonairMusic Do you know if Eleanor Forte comes with the studio version? or does it have to be purchased separately?
So as long as I dont make any money from using their software its fine?
I think you're ok, it just wasn't that clear back when I was looking at it.
That intro hurt my ears ouch
Sorry. For more pain, you can listen to the whole thing here
open.spotify.com/track/5gV0KuSdnsgqCnxJFxnVM5?si=d359c391c9984eaf
:-)
you will get 1000000 million better sound and cheaper if you got to Fiverr o same
Maybe, but i like the artificial sounds.
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I guess so.