Lucas Mann: Guitar's Biggest Drama Queen
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2023
- This video isn't meant to start any RUclips drama, in fact that wouldn't be in my interest at all, my intention is only to put all the things under one roof that you'd usually have to trawl social media and news sites for. If Lucas does see this video though, I have a bad feeling there will be a response video 🤣
I also intentionally didn't touch on Rings of Saturn's music, because quite frankly I couldn't care less about anything that isn't Ultu Ulla. Enjoy!
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You cannot talk about Lucas.
This channel is literally called SixStringTV and Lucas plays 9 strings, which makes him at least 33% superior, faster and more talented than any guitarrist who plays 6 strings
Who needs to give credits to anyone when you have a Mustang?
9 strings? Andy Summers used 24 strings at one point. Big whoop.
😂😂😂
Mustangs have six strings. Checkmate.
@@georgeprice4212clearly mr summers is 300% faster and better than any six string player and 165% faster than Lucas Mann
You might be thinking 6 string guitarists are 33% inferior, 9 is 50% more than 6 but 6 is 33% less than 9. But since you said at least 33% that's technically right.
I took lessons from Lucas back when RoS was just starting out. He was super cool to me and guest-listed me on any shows that came through my town. I even brought my N64 and we played Super Smash in their tour van lol. I know people change, but I've only had positive experiences with him.
idk he necessarily hasnt changed, it's possible that he is very nice in some situations and not so nice in other. You probably gave him all the respect and he had no reason to be not nice to you
People also act differently in different contexts. With something like you where you benefit each other he’ll be nice and respectful, but he’ll become defensive and hostile when called out for his bullshit
You'll be one of a few dozen people that still attend ROS shows.
@@BassRocker617i would gladly go to a RoS show if it had a vocalist
@@maaaaaap What a profound statement. You are so smart. Literally everybody on this planet Acts nice in some situations and not nice in others. Amazing
I think lucas is a good guitar player. Ive seen ROS twice. Once after a show i stopped at the merch counter and told him that i thought he played great. And he seemed very annoyed by my compliment . I walked away thinking he was kind of a tool haha
Seems exactly like that kind of guy lmao
Or he could’ve just been tired and you could’ve took it as him being annoyed
Literally same shit happened to me
@@superQman600 this is not the only comment about Lucas treating people poorly... right after compliments or even literally willing to drop some money to him (when he was at the merch table). Doesn't look like a case of being "tired", just primadonna behavior.
TBH I feel similarly about compliments as Keanu Reeves, it can come off a certain way to people that don't understand. I think people that are genuinely humble(so not Lucas lol) that have strong self-awareness are like that too, they know and don't want or need validation, or it makes them uncomfortable when people almost pedestalize them. It's hard to explain to most people coming from a person that happens to be very talented and/or good-looking(from what I've gathered from others, for years I didn't see it) that's like that because few people are. I get how women feel about men they're not attracted to calling them attractive in some way, like that's going to make them want you lol, women do it too or can be like simps.
If you're not shallow it's kind of a weird thing for a stranger to compliment TBH, and even if I'm attracted to them it kinda leads me to think they're shallow and care too much about looks, but now I realize how much most women do lol. Women seem to think men prefer younger women because of looks, not nearly as shallow as women think, I'd rather have a below average 23YO with a low body count than a woman over 30 that's very attractive even if she ticks other important boxes for me, it's a biological thing and men age 2x slower biologically and most of what women find attractive gets better with age not worse. For me I can sense a person's energy and am great at reading people, I get to know people quickly that way. I definitely sense the difference between sl*t energy and the more motherly wife type of energy which the ladder is what I like, or there's an energy only quality women that don't have a promiscuous past have for the most part. I think it's similar to how nofap can change the kind of energy a guy gives off, gave up adult content 8 years ago too BTW.
That and overwhelmingly unwanted attention like a lot of women get, they might like the validation though. I'm legit the type of guy that wouldn't smash a 10 if she ticks little if any boxes that really matter to me, I've always taken sex and relationships very seriously(at 37 I've always been celibate outside of serious relationships) and it's hard to find my type these days and I hate rejecting people and don't like compliments at least on things like looks, so I have a hard time keeping up appearances because of it. Almost all my 20's I maintained a neck beard and untrimmed hair so I'd be left alone and tend to keep my talents to myself.
I met Lucas Mann in a venue bathroom years ago without realizing it and while making small talk while washing our hands I said to him that hopefully Rings of Saturn could play their shit. When he told me who he was I felt so bad and started apologizing profusely.
Later on that night when he couldn't play his shit it just became funny.
NO WAY 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sixstringtv1 yup! It was at a venue called game changer in New Jersey around late spring/ summer of 2016 😂
LOL
Joel was so nice when i saw them live, i noticed during all the "hard" parts Lucas would turn away from the crowd, but Joel at least looked like he was really playing them (I'm 99.99% sure he was).
I agree with you. I think Lucas is skillful enough to play those hard parts,but he is lazy to practice or memorize complicated notes.(It really take time)
@@jerichoshen4588 don't write cheques you can't cash I say
Joel is a genius, his band animation sequence is beyond awesome
Joel is a paedophile satanist, member of the Order of 9 Angles. @@marcofinco6959
just watched the 40min response of Lucas...pretty convincing..i dont think jared has one single point on this and tbh...the fact jared called him out without any talking to Lucas first to sort things out make Jared look like the narcissist. I just learned about Lucas about 1h ago but his response video seems honest and genuine. Definitely a one in a million talent at guitar. One more thing...getting his side of the story out after being shat on publicly, doesn´t make him a drama queen either. Haters always gonna hate!
His 40 min response to jered can be boiled down to Guitar harmony tracks being used live, and fretwraps arent cheating. Literally all you need to know
well, fretwraps aren't cheating but yea
@@nachfullbarertrank5230 agreed. but thats a summary of his 40 minute video...
Thanks for the TL; DW version. I have the attention span of a squirrel with ADHD; no way I can sit thourgh 40 minutes if Lucas yammering away about accusations of him faking his playing 😂
the reason it is 40 minutes long is because of the tens of thousands of hate messages and death threats sent his way by channels like this and people like you.
@@vixen878 When did i say anything bad about him
i simply summarized his 40 minute long video
i didnt go into anything else, the man is not above criticism, BUT i also, have never met him. so i base my opinion and critics on what i see
which i didnt even state so just stop
years ago I was at the merch stand he was running after the set and asked for the Lugal Ki En album art shirt and I guess I pronounced it a little wrong and he was bothered and said "It's LOOG-ALL" I really liked their first 3 albums but yeah Lucas is sort of a butthole. It's all good.
"Hey I wanna give you some money"
"Fuck you 🙄"
@@sixstringtv1 “fuck you, pay me”
No seriously, a friend I was with offered to over pay for a shirt during LKE tour and he specifically told him to “Fuck off”. Why? Who the fuck is this guy? I loved ROS. Lucas was an idol. But now I think i believe all of the half speed ahit. And I think hes ebony beauty left him for good reason. He is a self righteous, self aggrandizing loser who had some really cool ideas
He should have just been a ghost writer. All of the good members of ROA are gone. ROS is gone
Lucas is a tool
Negative Nancy is a good band name
Easy core band for sure
Negative nancy and the pecan sandies
Negative creep
the industry already had one of those, its how we got those cool black stickers that let you know which albums to buy.
I remember meeting Lucas once and i said dude you guys are amazing thanks so much for coming here to play. Dude didn't say nothing just looked at me nodded arrogantly and then brushed me off basically.
To be honest as a fan it kind of hurt i was like wow dude alright 👍
He owns a mustang so i shouldn't be surprised
Dude did the same to me. Almost exactly the same encounter. Still like the music but shittt.
I really hate seeing comments like this (not because of you). its because the main ONE thing I always say that rock and metal have above the other generes is their awesome fan service. I haven't met Lucas. But its sounding like it was a 'never meet your heroes' sort of deal. I have met plenty of other big musicians though. Gene Simmons included. And if anyone had the right to treat fans like garbage it was him. But he doesn't. He shook my hand and asked me what favorite song was
The only instrumental death metal band that matters is Blotted Science.
I remember that Sleep Terror was (or is, not following for a while) a decent project, but... it's impossible to compare with Blotted Science, they're peak instrumental metal.
Funny how nobody ever questions if Blotted Science’s extremely technical music is real. Almost like, it very clearly is, and RoS very clearly isnt
@@unavailablenull2346Rings is real though. I love both bands personally, Blotted Science is incredible, but RoS are real. The faking allegations have been debunked time and time again and I've seen them live 3 or 4 times, they're legit.
cope
Here before this gets taken down and reposted on KDHs channel
He won't do that. He'll just send his "army" of fans after me.
@@sixstringtv1 or is it an army of fan? 😂
is there beef between KDH and six string? i watch them both and didn’t know about this.
@@horse_dog no but six string TV had a video about a guy that didn't like donuts that kept getting taken down so KDH reposted it on his own channel to explain what happened
@@blood_red_sinnamon_official if anyone is offering, I would like a donut. Thanks in advance.
Dude acts like a mustang is some kind of glow up 😂😂
achievements are personal tho
For an arab prince anything you get in your life will be "a joke".
That intro was gold.
The spongebob announcer thing never fails to make me laugh.
I met Lucas in 2016 and he was cool. Seemed very shy when i spoke with him. Our conversation didn't go on more than 3 minutes though
Lucas does not want a donut.
I donee'donuts!!
The band died with Ian leaving, end of story. I am a die hard death metal fanatic (old and new) but Ian (along with so many other incredible vocalists in deathcore) is the reason I will die on the hill that deathcore blows the doors out of death metal in terms of vocals. Their first two albums were top notch.
Peter Pawlak deserves the same credit imo. Embryonic Anomaly is taken from good to great BECAUSE of those vocals
i disagree simply due to the existence of Joe Wolfe and Heinous Killings
@@ridleysomeliana-lauer5814pawlak is a beast. Seen home live with 3 different bands and he killed it every time.
I disagree because Obfuscate Mass v=EPbNVKyq_oI
Thank you so much for doing this video!!!!! I am a big Rings of Saturn fan and had no clue all of the drama went down
RoS gives me lowkey solo project vibes
Wanna hear space themed tech death? Listen to Blood Incantation and you won't regret it +they don't actually fake their playing
I checked them out and really liked them. But one of the things that really drew me to ROS were their lyrics. I would love to see aliens like ROS in a movie or game. And it seems the closest I'll ever get are the Reapers in Mass Effect. Why is it so much to ask for like an R rated Invader Zim or something?
Not sure who Miles Baker is, but I took lessons from a guy named Giles Baker, who wrote an album called Gulla Gulta. Can confirm the half speed recording is entirely true, that Giles wrote 95% of that album, and all the generally douche bag shit surrounding Lucas
Gucas
Gucas Gamm
man, I love their album Gidim so much. It makes me sad that Ian left the band and that their last album was pretty dogshit, idrc if they can't play what they write, some of their solos are so good im genuinely willing to look past that if he can at least compose quality music
really sad that Lucas is such a knobhead, I admire his musicianship and... that's about it
Lucas is the real life person version of the dude in internet forums who stays sh*tposting 24/7. Worth a chuckle or two at first but grades on you quickly. Credit where credit is due tho, he was pretty smart about marketing and merchandising his band.
I’ve always been cool with them. Hung out with them a few times in NY and NJ and they crashed at my place once, all very nice and cool ppl. I’ve seen them play live up close, they are amazingly talented regardless of whether they have some parts that aren’t naturally played on the records
Man i can't be the only one that prefers music with out vocals can i? I jumped with joy the day i found out they would be releasing all the albums as Instrumentals.
Rings of saturn vocals arent amazing either
In fairness ROS's first five albums sound great as instrumentals. Their newest album, however, in my opinion does not sound good.
@@secondcoming9789Their newest album sounds like a Berried Alive album which I am not a fan of.
I guess ppl have difficulty grasping that some songs don't need vocals or sound better w/o vocals?
I don't mind when people find vocals so pivotal, but...
you the only one
I personally enjoy most of RoS but there's no denying that Lucas is pretty often a drama queen.
Edit: Latest album was awful in my opinion.
Miss me with anything before or after Ultu Ulla
Dingir was a good album.
Along with their first album with the old vocalist.
@@syahminorizan8064 dingir is goated
are there any people left in the world who just listen to the music and don't care about if its a person or a machine that made it or if they did it a certain way or didn't do it a certain way.
am i really the weird odd one out for just listening to it and enjoying it? crazy, back to lugal ki en for me.
No. Those people don't exist anymore.
it's just you now
I'm a lot like that. I love a few bands and I'm so like not into band drama that I don't even know what some of those bands look like lol
People wouldn't care if it was a machine if he didn't lie about it
I think Lucas is a tool but LKE and UU are still among some of my favorite albums of all time by any band. Don't particularly care if he can or can't play his own songs live. Same goes for Infant Annihilator (though I think those boys are all just lovely), they don't perform live to my knowledge and there are plenty of their songs that I don't think anyone could perform live, but I've listened to the BOY album probably more times front to back than any other album.
When I see anyone behaving like Lucas, in any job, skill, hobby, sport, way of life, I just automatically assume they're a hack. Nobody who actually has the skills and the ability to prove them needs to act like this
Oh man. Don't ever uderestimate the power of low selfesteem. Even when it's presented as egomaniacs. Why would you ever need that much attention if you know who you are, right?
Ah man, this is a wise comment. Pure truth.
Oh go stuff it with your moral high ground virtue signaling nonsense. If the end product is something you enjoy who cares the process or drama involved.
Do you actually spend time following any of what Lucas does?, didn't even watch the vid, just came to dump on some do nothing while im at work.
I like the band, didn't even know that was his name or drama......because its not important.
Get a life, be more productive. :)
Bro you have 0 idea what a hack means, do you even play the freaking instrument? Come on, go look at the Gidim tapping section there's 1 cover on youtube.
Arrogance is often times the result of the mastery of a skill.
My guitar teacher is Friend’s with miles dmitri baker and told me about this stuff immediately after I found Ultu Ulla. Sucks because it’s such a great band
Dude, I'm digging the severed headstock of the Gibson Les Paul you have mounted on the wall. Nice.
Rings of Saturn is one of the only bands I can think of where the 8 bit remixes sound more natural than the original songs.
For the DI tracks going thru the amp thing, idk what Lucas' reasoning was, but I do know that one reason to do that is to give a different tone to your extra guitar parts, rather than just using the tracks from the album. I guess you could just reamp the DI's and throw em in the backing tracks instead, but I'm sure any band who's neurotic enough about their live sound to bother setting this kinda rig up would think that "won't sound right" (at least that's what the bands I've talked to who do this tend to say)
it’s very clear that even on their studio albums a lot of the runs and faster passages are re-amped guitar pro tracks. i have no idea how anyone who competently plays guitar can fall for that
Not even sure about Guitar Pro tracks (mainly cause I'm mostly unfamiliar with Guitar Pro), but definitely not him sitting down and playing those entire passages at full speed 🤣
Those faster passages are edited note by note. That is why it sounds like guitarpro tracks
It's the Haarp Machine all over again. Their tracks were played at slower speeds and then sped up. Even Nolly and Misha from Periphery chimed in on that one on a forum. People said that sounded like guitar pro too. KMac made a parody of that band and used guitar pro if I remember correctly and it sounded just like them.
@@MichaelAE It goes beyond that with The HAARP Machine. The Strandberg promo video he did straight up had guitar pro RSE tone reamped. His tremolo picking in the video sounds robotic... because it is indeed a robot performance. Lol
@@RX120D LOL! I remember seeing that video. Thanks for clearing that up! EDIT: Just looked it up and that is definitely guitar pro LOL.
Ty for this, dude. ROS pre-instrumental is one of my favs of all time bc I like all aspects of their music…but I kept reading this or that (and of course, when I saw them live, the damn main brain of the band wasnt there, a common thing for him…thankfully Miles was and he is amazing. Im grateful I saw them with Iain too). Nice to get things cleared up. I’ll still bump their old shit till the end of time. 🤘👽
miles was an awesome member and having taken lessons with him i can say that he can play absolutely everything he ever played with rings flawlessly without any tricks. dudes a unit.
Sorry in advance for typing out a whole essay lmao but I just wanted to share my thoughts on the fake guitar/“half speed” aspect that people are always complaining about
Coming from somebody that plays the exact same kind of music as Rings of Saturn, yes there is a lot of audio editing that is done to the guitars in order to make them sound the way that they do, which is why everyone is always saying that Rings of Saturn’s stuff is recorded at “half speed”. However, this doesn’t mean that Lucas or anyone else in the band can’t play what they write simply because of the way they decided to record the guitars. That’s why practicing exists lol.
Personally, I’ve always seen the very overproduced video game/“half speed” sound as a stylistic choice/specific sound that Rings of Saturn tries to achieve with their album sounds (and for the sound of my own recordings as well). To me, it’s never mattered the way in which somebody decides to record guitars. Whether it’s recording in one take, measure by measure, beat by beat, note by note, slowing down and then speeding up, using MIDI instruments, etc. All that matters is that in the end, you’re satisfied with how the finished product sounds, and you’re still able to play it live if you plan on doing so. If those 2 requirements are met, who cares if the audio is highly edited or if it’s recorded at “half speed”?
It’s pretty clear that people that still complain about this just aren’t fans of this particular kind of music/sound. Which is fine, but it makes no sense for those people to go around saying Lucas can’t play or for them to go around shitting on other people simply because they don’t like the way the music sounds.
I think maybe the most unfortunate thing is what this shit does to a creator in general. We are devoid of good new Rings stuff because of this nonsense and I'm sure of it. I appreciate your uploads because you show that this stuff is not impossible. You clearly put dedication into shredding like you do, and if I am correct, the main reason this came up is because the riffs "sound" or "look" impossible. They aren't. That's just how they sound. It's supposed to sounds ridiculous. They CAN be made with production techniques, and they can be played. It's fucking written to be played. I am not at the level of anyone in question here, but I can still say that none of those riffs are impossible.
Had the sound guy from a local venue tell me that they mimed 90% of the set.
It's fine if that's the sound you want to go for, but it's perfectly reasonable that people will dislike and criticize that style. It's robotic and sounds lifeless. It removes the human element, which is an element that many people relate to and value. Not to sound like that guy that bends everything out of tune and makes a dumb ass face every time they do, but it lacks soul when you edit the human element out of the tracks.
@@KeepTheGatesthe issue isn’t people not liking the way it sounds, obviously everyone has an opinion and not everyone is going to like it because the robotic sound is a very acquired taste. The issue is people acting like you can’t play what you’ve written simply because of recording that way. Practicing exists for a reason, and people shouldn’t be discredited and falsely accused as fake guitarists just for trying to go for a certain sound, especially when they’ve proven multiple times that they can actually play what they’ve written.
@@KeepTheGates what if I told you that style sounds totally organic and full of feeling, to me?
I went to a Rings of Saturn show once because a friend of mine’s band opened. We left a few minutes into their set to go get tacos.
Tacos of Saturn? Better band name.
Were they good tacos?
Best comment on RUclips. I would have done the same thing.
@@baronvonpenguin6112 they were pretty fucking good tacos. The place was packed so I’m sure we weren’t the only ones with that idea.
"...beautiful and delicious benefits..."(sultry saxophone melody in background) That was a sexy channel plug you put together at the end there. Well done, sir, well done.
You should do a video of Wintersun/Jari Mäenpää 😉
Never read a lot about Wintersun, but I have the idea that being a fan of the band isn't exactly smooth sailing. Would be cool to have a video here.
I love Wintersun and the dude is an absolute musical genius BUT, he sucks ass nuggets at actually delivering music. I WANT TIME II!!!!!!
I think its been done to death, nothing new over there really
Not sure how interesting that would be personally. Aside from the whole "Taking in half a million dollars in crowdfunding money and never delivering on their promises" thing, it's mostly just Jari whining on social media & not actually releasing any music.
I was actually originally tasked with Mixing Lucas's "guitar pro" song that you referenced. I sent him a mix that didn't sound good enough for him and he eventually went with another engineer for the final product.
I hadn't even thought about it until now. Screw a bullet, I feel like I dodged a freaking MISSILE.
So your feelings got hurt because he didnt like your mix and decided to go with someone who's better instead of settling, and now you're using that experience to go "i was right all alooong!!!!"?
What a pussy.
In the video you didn't finish, pretty sure he was basically saying it was a backing track for him to hear on his end, it was through the PAs facing towards him, and the video was taken next to that PA so the track was audible.
It's been a while since I saw it myself, but he played that riff on the video for proof and even uploaded the DI of in the description for people to scrutnize.
Idk if there was sarcasm when you mentioned journalist, but I thinj that was at least some important details missed there. As well as how Jared and him made up after that at some point pretty sure, they had a video where they played among us together.
i agree the DI really shows that its not fake.
I’ve seen RoS twice and met Ian the second time I saw them. Total sweetie tbh. I can see why he’s not in the band anymore. I personally liked his vocals and hope he does another project, whether it’s solo or with another band. Never met Lucas, but I’ve had a few interactions with him on Instagram, and yeaaahh dude runs the place like it’s the “Lucas Mann show” 😂
When he stayed at a friends house years ago, he was the only one oyt of the band not practicing their instrument when they stayed.
Actually there's an old guitar lesson of Lucas playing of their songs from the early days of the band. You should check it out
Shame about ROS Ultu Ulla was one of my favorite albums in high school but I could never really get into the rest of their stuff, good to know why
After the picture of the mustang. I’m not really sure what the rest of this video is about. His point was clear. Look at the mustang.
I think what annoys me most is like... I literally would not care if the tracks are sped up or altered on the album itself, it's been common practice to do this because an album is an entirely different thing from a live music show. I only care if a band can actually play the shit that's on their albums live. If they can do that, they can do whatever they like on the albums themselves.
I used to have a lot of respect for Lucas (mostly after his big, nearly an hour long video explaining what was happening in a lot of clips) but his attitude since then seems to have just massively declined, or always been this way rather, where he's also just a huge dick for no reason. Sure, he's probably just constantly mad because he's been a target for years, but like... just don't be a dick?
He could have been the most chill dude ever the whole time and just took it in stride and I'd find him so much less annoying now, but instead he just had to adopt the most obviously fake attitude about it all, which makes me just not care.
Also, yeah, Ultu Ulla is the best one.
Absolutely perfect response. I don't give two shits what tricks or edits you use in the album; if you can duplicate it live, you're allowed to
I do love Rings of Saturn’s music back when Ian was in the band, but their new self titled is so ass to me, how much did Ian carry that whole band 😂
I remember when they remade their debut album and made it sound completely overcompressed and soulless, thanks Lucas!
The original version is extremely compressed too. It's actually one of the most compressed albums I've ever heard.
They also didnt need to at all
I always feel like comments about the sound and studio magic is gate-keepy. It does sound super processed and not real, but that's the sound they and many fans like. They're able to play what they write so I don't see anything wrong with it. ROS seems to care more about the composition and less about the performance. Similar to Within The Ruins, Infant Annihilator, etc. It's just a sound some bands and people like.
The last nail in the coffin for ROS was getting rid of Ian (vocalist) like he was nothing... Then it came that weird instrumental album which was 😴
If it was some small-time indie label then it’d have been probably just a nothingburger squabble. But it blows my mind that Lucas blackmailed FUCKING NUCLEAR BLAST. I consider getting a deal with NB (among other a few other labels) to be essentially the big time in extreme metal, and he went and blackmailed them. He climbed the mountain, threw a fit because the summit wasn’t to his liking, then threatened to blow up the expedition team who had seemingly no issue with the view.
I don't REALLY know how big Nucular Blast is. But I know it is the home of Testament which I think tells me all that I need to know
Update: Joel Omans has since left RoS, after the release of there newest single (at the time of writing) “Theogony”. And most importantly, Lucas is still a priss.
don't forget most of ring's of saturn's good songs had been written by someone other than lucas, like on their release gidim, they were stolen from one of the members of "we are the end" and rewritten to fit it. He gives himself too much credit for what hes done.
I hate the weird mid-synth beep boop guitar tone they have too. It sounds so ridiculously fake.
Same here it sounds like a slot machine a really bad one at best
that's the point bro
Lucas Mann is not a guitarist , he’s a technician
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That's an excellent way to put it
*Technicianarcissist
If you can play like that live, then you're a guitarist lol
Lucas is a challenge. He is definitely a phenomenal guitar player. I do also think he fakes a lot of stuff. Hard to discern what’s real and what’s fake.
"What colour is your #LucasMann Ford Mustang anyway?"
I saw Rings live a few years ago and Lucas wasn't even there, it was pretty good.
ROS’s new drummer, Ryan, has mad skill. Let’s see how long he lasts.
I have met Lucas before, he seems like an okay guy. I bought a hard copy of dingir or whatever the one after is called and I jokingly asked him to sign it in half speed. He did and seemed to have gotten a kick out of the gesture
Summer of 2013 Rings of Saturn was playing a show at The Rave and they walked on stage and their bass player at the time walked up to the mic and said "We have a weird issue where our singer broke both of his hands. So this is Rings of Saturn instrumental." Afterwards I went and bought a hat from their table and Lucas was there and I asked, "How much for the hat?" He said in an annoyed tone "$20." I handed him a 20 and he just looked at me and after a few seconds he said "Go on, take it." Like it was painfully obvious that it wasn't just for display when, in fact, it was NOT painfully obvious that anything on the table wasn't for display only. The dude is a great guitar player, no doubt. But holy shit does he just come off as an asshole.
Miles is such a cool dude and insane player. After the way he was treated, I never cared for Lucas after. Total douche.
I've never heard of rings of Saturn, but now I kinda want to check em out.
Except I'll be going into it armed with some real inside street knowledge
If you actually want to, listen to Lugal Ki En and Ultu Ulla first.
@@sixstringtv1 Their best albums
He doesn't try to hide anything either. Watching his "playthroughs", you hear slides when he plays hammer-ons, all kinds of goofy shit.
🤣🤣
Holy shit this is one of the best put together alternative pieces of media I've ever fuckin seen, love the content and definitely hooked, keep going! :)
Thanks! 😎😎 Lots more cool stuff coming soon
When Dingir dropped I was blasting it almost everyday for a good while. It’s my favorite album by them for sure but I remember I one time I used these old messed up wired headphones to jam it & the audio playback was messed up. Like there was no vocals, drums were low & the guitars really stood out louder than the rest of the instruments. Almost like I was listening to a karaoke version of the album. I could hear the guitars in a whole new light & they sounded absolutely fake, almost no string attack & came off as programmed to me. Kinda bummed me out cause i they were my favorite band at the time.
If anyone knows how to isolate guitar tracks, try it on the original Dingir album and peep the palm mutes / attacks. Really reminds me of guitar pro audio stuff.
I will always love that album no matter what, but I will always question the guitar work since hearing what I heard
yeah, its a bitter pill but its true. Dingir is my favorite too
So if the album came out today with all the more advanced plugins, guitars that has organic string slide sound, attack, noises, it would have been fine cause it doesn't sound programmed?
@@rae5425 whooooosh
3:00 weird that you're automatically taking the label's side. Not the first or last band to have had conflicts with a label.
Are we really bringing this all back? This was a great video, but people don't seem to realize that Lucas is a marketing genius when it comes to the hate. Yes, during the recordings of Ultu Ulla (and all earlier albums and tours), there's always been problems within the band due to Lucas' behavior. However, i met him multiple times and have seen his personality change over the years. He went from being a socially awkward non-communicative individual to an outspoken chill laid back guy. The last time i met him showed me that he has def changed as a person, but there's no reason for him to show that to the internet because all the hate generates way more sales.
He must be a marketing genius cause I actually never heard of rings of Saturn until I used the setting on the berry amp an then all sudden I'm seeing bunch of videos about him.
You think you could make avideo about how my music is over ingineered and I'm terrible to my band mates so I can get popular?
@@Durkhead i gotchu
Hey guys I met this guy a few times that means I know his intentions and deep personal growth
Damn,I guess that self-titled really gave him a lesson.
I'm actually surprised he didn't comment yet
Why would anyone care what goes in in someone's personal life or other drama.
I could care less about how they got the results.
Bands use kick tracks so they don't have to play the complicated feet patters,
bands use backing tracks, lip sing, if they put on a great show who cares.
Some bands suck live and I wish they would fake it.
I love Burzum, could care less that he killed someone and his political views.
Listen to music you love and be more productive then feeding into drama like a teenybopper.
When passive aggressive rich kids are next level jealous
I do engineering and it’s not being speed up but it is being quantized to the click track. it just means it places everything in a grid and is perfectly placed on time even if the band isn’t on time. There is sampled drums placed in to make the drums have a fatter sound now I don’t know if that is really a thing with other instruments in recording but sampled drums are the new norm for engineering. You really can’t fake playing fast what people I think are confusing is that you always record multiple guitar part’s because guitarist will play something a little different each time. The worst song for band in recording studio is always the first song which a lot times is also the most played song but what happens is the band gets nervous so you have to break those nerves also people get in their own heads and will mess themselves up. The way a band does there stuff isn’t right or wrong especially in recording it’s what there fans like either you like it or don’t. as engineer you have to like everything and keep your ears open to everything.
"Not even promoting my shit, and still smoking your ass!" - Was a FB post of his that particularly made me cringe about as hard as humanly possible. Dunno who it was aimed at, but I'm sure it must've been a former member or something. Death metal Giga-Chad for sure!
Oh god 💀💀
Watching him "play" live is one of the most hilarious things ever.....
pick up a guitar and practice you loser god damm
i love guitar players . they are some of the best people youd wish to meet .
I loved Ultu Ulla, but all that confirms to me is that I'm a Miles Dmitri Baker fan, not a Rings of Saturn fan
You definitely should have watched Lucas' response video to Jared Dines. It was extremely informative and honestly Lucas really stood his ground with that video and proved a lot of people wrong. If you're gonna make a statement video like this you can't just blatantly ignore somebody's side of the story, it doesn't matter in what context. Nonetheless I don't disagree with anything you said in this video.
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I never heard of Rings of Saturn. And I don't exactly feel any urge to look it up. Yep, I'm getting old, possibly...
I'm a fan of ROS butjust being honest here. On the cybershred tour Joel did all the leads and runs and arpeggios and was the one literally holding down the guitar section. Lucas was often turned facing away from the audience and when he played it was single notes as if he is playing the bass root note. Then Joel would be shredding and Lucas played some power chords during the bit where you wanna see it live...when Joel was doing the work. Then Lucas would stop playing again. Then hit the root notes. Power chords and the breakdown. Song I am referring to is Shrine. And my fav off the new record and he literally played the bare minimum required for 20 percent of the song. And it's a really fucking Noodley weedley part. But nope. Just fucking root notes
Great video. On a side-note, I looked up Ryan Sinnott and damn is he a sick drummer. Lucas Mann might suck, but at least he found a great session drummer.
Ryan is a beast! Just sad that they had to resort to hiring someone who won't be in the band full-time
@@sixstringtv1 if they are smart they will lock him in as a member. The guy can play. Of course, he might make more money with their current arrangement for all I know.
no way this nigga just said lucas mann sucks
Stick with me here because this is my theory about the whole "fake guitar" thing, coming from somebody who is actually just fascinated with the idea, and is vocally against shaming people for using programmed instruments if there's a level of transparency involved.
I know the whole "fake guitar" thing has been beaten to death in recent years, but I've been fascinated with it since Lugal came out and I've gotten really close at times to replicating that exact sound using nothing but Guitar Pro and custom cab IRs. My theory is that most of Embryonic and Dingir were both very, very heavily edited and time-aligned guitar recordings. I'm talking piecing together each individual note on the grid from a slower speed. Several of Dingir's leads remind me heavily of an extremely processed and well-programmed RSE soundbank (a la "Lucas Mann solo project"), essentially using exports of Guitar Pro tracks as a ""DI"" for what would be re-amping but is now creating the cleanest possible digital distortion.
Lugal Ki En, I believe, was entirely programmed, both rhythm and lead tracks. Good examples of this for the rhythm tracks would be the instrumental version of 'Infused' (aside from Rusty Cooley's solo of course), and for leads the end of 'Eviscerate'. Listen to how perfectly, entirely literally perfectly the transient of the guitar "attack" lines up from left to right, so much so it's almost like a mono track sometimes on what would be "open" notes. (If this is the case, it could be due to the fact that you cannot create a double tracking effect in Guitar Pro using the same instrument samples, because they are identical and will result in a mono sound if panned hard left and right. Something would've had to be done in the studio to correct this, like panning and imaging plugins.)
Gidim I have no idea, as they do still feel *incredibly* edited and time-aligned, but they don't quite stink of Guitar Pro's RSE to the level that Lugal does, and Ulta before it just sounds like Miles' incredible accurate playing. I think Gidim onward is a combination of Joel and Lucas' playing with extremely heavy manual note-for-note quantization (not that I think there's anything inherently wrong with doing that, it's just a better quality job of what I assume they were doing for Embryonic ten years earlier).
I dont understand why is it even a discussion for some people, its obviously a sound that you cannot get from regular playing and Miles was the best thing ever happend to RoS and you can hear it on Ultu Ulla
I used to work with his mom she was cool and very proud.
'Song' writing process.. if you can call it that way with a riff salad band like RoS.
He said something like: "I only have synth tracks in my monitors and that's why it sounds weird". Okay so you don't want to hear what yourself are actually playing? Almost like the guy is connected directly to MIDI input or something :D Anyway, that music really makes me feel like a grandpa but I can still see it working for certain applications, like a video game soundtrack or something.
Did you actually draw the JCM 800 on that amp? My (real) JCM800 logo isn't written like that? What kind of amp is that really?
It's Kerry King's signature head! It has the tribal design and the edgy font 🤣
6:14 no, that's not how backing tracks work. They run prerecorded parts/tracks into the PA and monitoring system. It would be crazy to run them through guitar amps each night if they're already pre-recorded.
Lucas said something about DI tracks. So that sounds like they *have* to run them through an amp first
@@sixstringtv1 I've watched his statement after your video. He mentioned DI signals for the 2 live guitar players and backing tracks. That makes more sense.
it literally is the lucas mann project, thats how he wants it. Miles told me thats how lucas sees it, more like a business than a band.
I have only seen the Jared Dines drama from this and I felt sympathetic for him, this was very eye-opening but I do like some of their songs and he's insane on the instrument. It's a shame he ruined it like this.
As a big fan of RoS but not exactly a great user of reaction videos I would say that’s impressive how I’ve never heard of all this drama thing, only thought it was strange when some time ago all RoS songs became instrumental and get used to it. Probably I’m a different kind of fan that really don’t bother about musician’s lifes and this makes me feel strange. I still like the songs, even not hearing that much nowadays, I still wear my 2 bootleg shirts and think I got here because of the new song. Guess I lived too much..
Went to see them recently in california, asked for a photo and he was actually nice about that, the show itself wasnt so great without ian but yeah didnt get any bad experience tho
It sucks that this is the first video I see when I search for Lucas Mann. He's my favorite guitarist.
Good to know that its the first search result tho hahah
You are a positive pauly.
i dont really like rings of saturn but i disagree with a lot of the points so i feel its worth going through
about the instagram thing, i don't think it really matters who controls the account at the end of the day and what he decides to post. i don't think that means he doesnt give credit to anyone, i would love to see a more in depth look into that if its really something thats an issue. it's not like he's using the instagram to post that there's no one else in the band, and its not like he hides who worked on what albums in other sources.
now yes, we don't know what the terms of the label was that caused lucas to threaten them, but in general im against the idea of record labels having too much power over the musicians. musicians should be able to share if they've had a bad experience with a label, so while we don't know what the demands are i don't think its at all fair to say it was a bad thing for him to threaten going public with that experience while we dont know.
as for not being able to take pride in your music because its digitally edited, i think this take is kind of an outdated way of looking at music. yes, it's amazing to see the limits of human ability when it comes to speed and technical guitar playing, but when you're making a song in my opinion the most important aspect is how good the song sounds. if you are not able to record something perfectly and so you fake it, thats not something i mind at all. i dont think that ruins the integrity of the music (if you're honest about it!) because the result of the music is the product, and having technical ability is a different skill. i know this take isnt very common in metal, but my love for music comes from final product however that may have been made. i did watch the lucas mann response video and i thought it was pretty good, i feel it's a little dishonest to make this video without watching the whole thing but to each their own. if he is lying about it, then yes it is bad, but i do not believe he is from what i've seen
this is a bit of an older video so i don't know how much you stand by it but just in general i think more research would've been nice, it felt like some of the points were incomplete or i just completely didnt agree with your rationale
As a fan of some of the music they have made, I do think they Are a legit band with their technical stuff, I mean I have tried to cover some of their songs and gotten close. However Lucas does seem like a bit of a drama queen more so than other musicians. Like Joel Omens who is in the band...but like yeah would like to see lucas not be an asswipe to be honest
I'm a huge Rings of Saturn fan and I still can't defend the actions of Lucas Mann. I love the band and all but it's sad to see what's happening to them now
RoS Spotify just says it’s „an Aliencore band formed by Lucas Mann“
seeing ros live now is like watching a talent show
Ever since I saw his response to Jared years ago, I then thought he was a tool. Still think that way.
after watching lucas's playthrough i am convince that i need a fret wrap
What a great young RUclipsr. I hope he hasn't talked about pantera before🤣