A Reliable Budget 2011? - Tisas Double Stack 1911 - 9 DS Duty
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The Tisas DS 9 Duty B9R is a budget affordable 2011 double stack 1911 pistol chambered in 9mm. It is reliable and easily the best 2011 for the money. But everything is a trade-off, so what's the catch? Is it better than the Springfield Prodigy 1911ds, the Girsan, Rock Island Armory, Staccato or even Bul Armory? Watch this review from Nightwood Guns to find out! This 2011 is only 750 bucks?!? 👀
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Is the gun worth $500, used?
@@m4rvinmartian I think it’ll be 500 new in a year or two. But right now that seems fair. It ain’t perfect, but mine is a darn good gun. 👍
@@NightwoodGuns Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Someone is trying to get rid of one local, but 500 makes me think I'll have ra-grets.
*Finally found a GREAT priced Prodigy.*
It was meant for me to wait this long, I found an awesome LGS in the process.
*CheapGunClub.* Lane the owner is great.
www.youtube.com/@cheapgunclub/videos
Could you look into the _BRG9 Tactical_ and the _SAR 109T_ and whether you can get your hands on either??
Maybe this gun isn’t cheap, rather others are over priced
It is certainly possible. I think that’s at least a little bit true.
These guns are made in Turkey. The exchange rate is 3.21 Turkish Liras for 1 US Dollar. That is why they are so cheap. It's the same reason eastern European and Chinese AK's and the spam can ammo to feed them was so cheap back in the day. A strong US dollar. If they ever decide to join the EU and reorganize their economic system to meet standards for adopting the Euro, those dirt cheap Tisas/Girsan/Canik/Panzer arms pistols and shotguns are going to cost about as much as their American or European counterparts.
@@Ideo7Z As per the usual, Commander Shepard is right 👍
I bought a Springfield Prodigy and it was a jam o matic. I bought a Staccato P and it frankly had a heavy creepy trigger. Maybe a $1K Tisas is the answer?
It is cheap because Turkish's salary for labors is very different.
This may become my first double stack 1911. Impressed by the review!
Glad you enjoyed 👍
I would go with ria
@@danzelhall-james9508 I don't think so unless they have upgraded in the past two years
Same not a 1912 guy but the price is too good
I bought one two days ago,put 500 rounds thru it to see how it had done. Only had one failure to eject out of 500 rounds..absolutely worth the coin in my book. Now that I trust it,imma throw an optic,light on it an an throw it in my edc rotation
That’s great to hear! 😎👍
Apparently the manual says it has a 30o round break in time so that's probably why
@@rodiculous9464 little over 1k thru it as of now an have not had any other issues!
U put 500 rounds in 2 days?!?
@@gab1172 probably a little more then that in the first weekend of owning it.
Tisas is killing it in the 1911 department for the price. Well built, good for customizing. I have a B45R commander, zero malfunctions. Put a few Wilson Combat parts in it, smooth as butter. Good review of this double stack 👍🏻
Right on! 👍
Appreciate the objectivity and giving credit where its due... so many channels just subjectively crap on anything that isnt bougie enough for them. Excellent vid as always!
Absolutely 👍 Glad you enjoyed!
I bought a PX-9 and lived how it shot. Led me to try a Raider and absolutely an amazing handgun. When I saw the double stack I had to have one. I have almost a 1,000 rounds through the DS and it's perfect so far. They simply just work and do what I need them to do and work perfect. No need to spend double or triple the money to get the same job done.
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍
This is the first video of yours I have seen. I appreciate the manner and content of the video. Thank you for the review.
I own a Tisas Duty .45 ACP and a Tisas Night Stalker in 10mm. Both have worked quite well. The Night Stalker was sent in for the hammer recall before I got to shoot it. After it came back, it has ran perfectly. The Duty has had one round failure to feed but that was from a magazine I bought on the cheap. I bought two of those mags, one has had no issues and one has a single failure to feed the second time it was loaded. Otherwise, both have operated without error.
I also have a MAC 1014 and it has also operated without any issues. I bought the Duty first. Because it ran well, I got the Night Stalker. Because they both ran well, I took a chance on the MAC 1014. So far, I have been quite happy with the three SDS Imports products I have purchased and I now have good regard for their products. After seeing this video and a couple of others, I will pickup one of these DS handguns. I will make that purchase with no hesitation considering my personal experience with their other firearms.
Thank you again for the good video review.
I’m glad you enjoyed the review and have had such great experiences with Tisas 👍 I’m sure you will be very happy with the DS!
A Honda Civic is a hundred times more reliable than any car out of Italy 😂😂
Perhaps a poor analogy 😅
I just got the Mac 9 ds and I love it,it has been extremely reliable an and a great buy, Tisas has been making high quality firearms for a great price. Nice video man.
Glad you enjoyed the vid. I’ll be getting a Mac as soon as I can 👍
@@NightwoodGunsI’m glad to see this comment 😂
@@Eddiej314 😂👍
Your channel has quickly become a go-to for me. Love the honest and unbiased review. I’mma big Tisas fan!
I’m glad to hear it! This gun definitely impressed! 😎👍
The one positive you didn't mention, the rear sight cut...IS GLOCK! So that opens up a wide range of replacement options....if you don't like the one that came with it.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
That’s a great point 😂👍 The OEM rear sight is perfect so changing it didn’t even occur to me 😅
I put that slide on my single stack tisas 1911 9mm and it works 💪
Nice! 🙌
Already owned a Tisas 1911 and was blown away by the quality and reliability. Bought this exact same model a while back and can’t wait to shoot it! Honestly at the price point you’re getting it at the “cons” are forgivable. It’s the only 2011 in its class that you don’t have to spend the extra money to De-MIM THAT was the biggest selling point to me!
Yep, agreed 💯👍
Hi, I was waiting for a proper review of this gun, thank you so much.
I own the duty 9 in single stack, the ds will be available in June in france. I put a 19 lbs recoil spring with a shock buffer, and I work on the rear spring for the trigger who is approximately at 2.2 lbs.
It s incredibly flat in 5 inches and reliable.
I LL buy this one for sure.
Thank you for your time ❤
Would you recommend the duty B9R? I’m definitely interested in it, but each time I think of getting a 9mm 1911 my mind says “why not get a Glock 19”
I know they are two completely different things but my brain is irrational and wants to go with Glock because it will just always work.
@@DKlikesStuff I really like glocks, even if there s 1911 in my nickname 😂
The 1911 is much more flatter.
Have a look on the tisas b9r from 1911 syndicate, you ll be convinced for sure.
I made a review on my channel of the tisas b9r, but it s in french😂
Do I think it will be useless for you.
Have a look at the review of 1911 syndicate
@@the1911FrenchAddict oh I love the 1911 syndicate review. That’s definitely what makes me want to get one. I’m torn between getting it in 45 or 9mm. I want 45 because that’s what it was intended to have. But 9mm is very pleasant and works well in 1911s.
Idk I’m torn between a Glock or a Tisas 1911. I’m leaning towards the 1911, but I can’t ignore the Glock options because they will just work and I have the most experience with them.
Also this would be my first pistol. I ultimately would like to have both in the future. Just not sure which one to get first
@@DKlikesStuff in that case, for a first gun, I would go to a glock, hi cap mags, easy to shoot, really accurate and regular.
And you ll appreciate the 1911 more, the trigger is insane, very good looking, so classic, so pleasant.
Glock is a really good first gun according to me. Pay a little more extra and take the mount optic system, so you ll can keep it and upgrade your glock.
The tisas 9mm is amazing to shoot,
The 45 is... Man, it s God s caliber😂, the daddy s gun.
I love 45 so much, but honestly, I shoot the 9 mil more often.
Another great vid, Bret! I bought the Nightstalker version of this gun and love it!! I have a few Tisaas weapon and they are all fantastic guns!!
Awesome! That’s great to hear! 😎👍
Pretty definite that my SAR and my Caniks are made in Turkey... Both run great. You mentioned that your MC9 had issues. I luckily haven't had any issues with the SFX, the Combat Elite, or the MC9. I feel like anyone can possibly get a lemon, but when there are so many options for a similar fit, why not go for something that's more modular and/or has a better aftermarket support. I did replace my MC9 with a P365 and have truely made it the way I like it. So many ways to design and carry it. I know from watching previous videos of yours, you're more into Glock which is for good reason. Gotta love the modern gun market!
Turkey is getting good at making guns! I’d say it was a good move switching to a P365 from the MC9 though. Thats the one I would never trust. The Glock 43x and the P365 are the two “slimline” guns I recommend 👍
i have the carry version of this gun, and it was super rough in the hands but shoots like a damn dream. Mine had a break-in period and feels way oversprung but it runs and it's really accurate. Mine's wearing a little early in the front on the rails and the slide, but it's getting "smoother" as a result. I'm so glad someone else has the same opinion about the safeties. Those things suck to touch.
Thanks for sharing your experience! This 5 inch is lightly sprung and you can see it from how flat it shoots. No break in or premature wear here. Probably just Tisas inconsistency but it’s an amazing value either way 👍
I bought one of this gun and I love it. I had one failure to feed on the ninth round and never have any problem after that. It shoots very accurate. My gun has very tight frame to slide fitted. Your gun rattles because you have the magazine in the gun when you shake it. My other Tisas is PX9 Tactical. It's also an excellent gun. Tisas makes very good gun for very budget prices.
I’m glad yours is running well! And I promise my gun rattles just the same without the mag in it. I can wiggle the slide like a loose tooth. I still like it though 👍
Man if we had this in CA, it definitely be a good starter for getting into the DS 1911! Good thing we can still get the Platypus!
Platypus is better anyway as long as you have the dough 😎👍
Do not bring those laws to my state lol.
I own a Tisas 1911 Stingray and I bought it for 560 and it is still working good for me to this day but I wanted something in 9 mm but I didn't want a Glock so I looked at a 2011 9DS and I instantly fell in love and now it's my new carry gun
I have 2 Tisas 1911 the BR .45 SS and BR 9 Duty and both have run near flawless.
Had 1 Failure to eject on the BR9 because I was running 115 grain ammo thru it early on and Tisas are made to run NATO spec ammo, switched to 124 grain ammo and has been perfect. I have over a thousand rounds thru the 9mm and over 500 hundred thru the .45.........Now that its broke in the 9mm runs 115 grain, no problem. Excellent guns with ALL forged frames and slides for the money........I will add this 2011 to my lineup.......Excellent review........
Every time I hear you say Tisas I picture T-Posing after T-Saucing lol.
Perfection 😂👍
"Let me know if you would consider buying a Tisas Doubly Stack 9" I was already searching the online inventory for my local gun stores not even halfway through the review lol.
😂👍
Check GunBroker. They have one for $550
I have the Tisas 1911 stingray in 45 acp, gun runs flawlessly and I am buying this one next. Just looking at reviews today to see what others are saying about the 9mm.
MY REVIEW: The Tisas DS9 Duty shoots great, is well sprung, no rattles (for mine), crisp safety, with no malfunctions in 500 rounds. Compared to my small, medium & full-size pistols, it feels....substantial to me, in a good way (I'm never going to carry this concealed). It needs to break in: the slide corners at the slide/disconnector and slide/hammer interfaces are sharp 90s, and I'm sure the trigger action will smooth out (although it's nice out of the box). You could speed all that up with some light stoning and a sear spring adjustment.
OPTICS CUT: I can confirm a few other reports on r/Tisas - my optics cut was slightly tilted such that I couldn't zero a red dot (exceeded max elevation of the optic). I had to *slightly* shim up the rear to bring to dot down so it could be zero'd (6 layers of electrical tape, pressed hard, is thinner than the plastic red dot shims I've seen).
COST: Price of my Tisas DS9 Duty was $633. Total cost (w/ S&H, FFL, Streamlight TLR-1, & $90 red dot) = $886. I have my eye on a $60 1911/TLR-1 kydex holster and $50 3rd mag (when they're back in stock) for a great budget 1911 double-stack kit for $996. Such a good value.
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 This is the Tisas inconsistency I was talking about. My optic cut was perfect, it required no break in, and the trigger was phenomenal out of the box. But my slide to frame fit rattles 😅 Still great for the price, though!
@@NightwoodGuns Let me adjust my "break in" comment - it doesn't *need* to break in (it works fine, no issues or failures (other than the optics cut)), but like all guns it will smooth out over time.
1. I can feel where the bottom edge of breach face runs into the disconnector on slide return, and
2. The first 1/4 inch of rearward slide movement you can feel bottom 90 degree edge on the firing pin stop having to overcome the hammer.
3. Both of those places are wearing in, showing shiny, and will chamfer themselves over time, smoothing those interfaces out. At this price point I wasn't expecting gunsmith-fit, finely-honed, and slicked out - I am very happy with the purchase.
@@SteveHamlin1 Agreed, it’s a great buy 👍
Thanks much for an in-depth non-biased review 👍🏽
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Couple things.
1. Great overall video.
2. The Duty has the Alloy mid frame. The Nightstalker SF DS (jeez lots of letters) is the steel frame gun.
3. Bushing guns can have full length guide rods as well. Not just Bull barrel.
Otherwise, nice video and great gun control.
Glad you enjoyed the vid! Thanks for the additional info! And I never meant to imply that you couldn’t switch to a full length guide rod. I just have to be careful talking about “replacing parts” or else YT can get upset 🙄
Sorry but this is not true. The Carry, Duty and Nightstalker all have 4140 carbon steel frames or mid frames. Single stack and the DS models. Now their Stingray model has an alloy frame
Always good to see an affordable, reliable pistol on the market! Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Unfortunately, I have a bad experience with Tisas. I am still interested in 1911 style weapons so I will definitely think about it because your videos are very informative
I have mixed experiences as well. But this one was positive at least 👍
I feel like I’m too new to shooting to buy a 2k gun so I got this. I picked up yesterday, put 35 rounds through it. I’m taking it to the range Saturday and putting maybe other 50 or 100 through it. This time I’ll take my time because I missed a lot lol
Nice! Congrats on the pistol! 👍
U have given it the best review I have seen so far.
Right on, I’m glad you enjoyed! 👍
I had one of these for about two weeks then sold it yesterday. Solid gun but the trigger wasn’t my favorite and the gun worked well except for two malfunctions during 100 rounds. The two were likely caused by the mags being new and stiff. Honestly might buy the carry version rather than 5 inch next time. It’s cheap enough to be a nice carry gun in place of my 43X. I don’t carry my Staccato XC since I feel awful when I bump it and think of my money draining. :D
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I’ve heard several complaints about the trigger and I think it speaks to Tisas’s inconsistency. The trigger on mine is great. And I used to also be really careful with my expensive stuff. Then after some life-stuff happened, I realized life is short and I was just preserving my stuff for the next guy to mess up. So now it all gets run hard! 🤣
Wow! I was not expecting such a glowing review. Good to know!
I’m as surprised as you are 😅 It just boils down to their QC consistency and whether or not I just got lucky. But my example is impressive! 🙌
We own a couple of Tisas, and I like them. But I'm a gun newbie and therefore not too terribly picky.
@@rachelkennerlycpa They are usually great blasters! You could do much worse! 😎👍
For those that dont know psa has both models on sale for 600 peppers. I grabbed the full 5 inch model and had a lot of fjn shooting it. I am tempted to grab the carry model as well.
Good job. Useful info from a clearly knowledgeable source.
I’m glad you enjoyed 👍
Hey Dude! I RAN MY FIRST TURBO PIN RUN EVER Immediate Incapacitation 2.24 Seconds from Concealment in the SAME HOLE my first AOWB Attempts today! 2nd Run Through of Gabe White Standards 7 yards with the 21oz MACRO sized GX4 Carry!
Very nice! Well done! 😎👍
Thanks for the review. I am a subscriber from Turkey. This gun hasn’t come out in Turkey yet. I think it is probably because the manufacturer is expecting the lira to devaluate after the municipal elections in March 31. If only imported guns were sold close to prices in their countries of origin, I would’ve gone for a Staccato. But even the Prodigy is being sold for more than 9k dollars by the government right now. Well, at least now I am confident after seeing your review that the gun is reliable. Keep up the great work, much appreciated 🙏🏻👍🏻
I’m glad you enjoyed the review! Thanks for the perspective from Turkey! 👍
This has been my entry in to the 2011 platform. I definitely recommend springing for the Staccato mags. My factory Tisas mags like to dump a cartridge when removing the magazine.
All of mine have been good, but it seems the Staccato branded mags get a little extra love before leaving the factory from what others like yourself have told me.
Good review on an entry level 2011. Makes me think of Clint Eastwood's western "For a Few Dollars More" - The Bul Armory 2011 seems like a better overall value to me - for just a few dollars more.
I just ordered the night stalker 1911 from the same company and looking forward to checking it out when it gets here
Very nice! Enjoy! 😎👍
Congrats on your purchase. I'm thinking of getting one. I want to see one in person first but they look good.
bonus positive: not supporting the rampant boot consuming of staccato
It really is “pick your poison” with these manufacturers 😅
Pisses me off that Rock Island Armory Tac Ultra 2011 doesn't come with an optic cut
Have a B9R Carry and "Tank Commander". Both made 2022. They have about 2000 rounds between them and zero problems. They are both carry worthy.
I’m glad you tested them thoroughly for reliability! 👍 Good to hear!
@@NightwoodGuns Great video !!!! thank you !!! 🙂
@@TheAmerican1963 😎👍
Very nice! Greetings from Poland!🇵🇱🇺🇸
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Great review. I have the Carry model, i've always wanted a DS 1911 but wasn't sure if i would really like the super wide grip on them. Was going to get a prodigy, but then saw all the poor reviews and decided to skip it. I saw these ones coming out and ordered one as soon as I could. I put some HandleIt Edge grips on it (because i've become obsessed and put them on everything) and its been excellent. Pretty happy considering the last gun I bought at release was the MC9, which has been nothing but problems. Just received a replacement recoil spring, but have no urge to shoot it. I'm a pretty economical person, I tend to get things that provide quality for value, and the DS9 hits that spot hard.
Nice! I’m also obsessed with HandleIt Edge grips! 😂👍 And I’m sure you know all about my MC9 experience… But yeah, this DS 9 is surprisingly excellent!
I've held the Tisas DS and I would say it's comparable to a Beretta 92fs in grip size.
I already have and enjoy the devil ray carry, and it's 9mm copy. Recieved the DS Duty friday 8-9-24 and many of us shot it with no problems, the safety on the left side bothers my grip AND the narrow front sight and the TOO wide gap on the rear doesn't help accuracy that it could achieve, but it's fast.
Not too shabby for the price 👍
I just picked this pistol up at a gun show held in my city monthly. This will hold me over until my Platypus arrives in time for the start of 2025. Great review of this pistol. 🙂👌🏻
Very nice! I’m sure this pistol will bring you lots of joy! I’m currently reviewing the Platypus… you definitely have a world class pistol to look forward to! 😎👍
My b9r ds duty was picked up today. The grip module appears to have slight stippling on it. One complaint addressed. The RH safety lever has a similar surface area as the slide stop lever. Number 2 complaint taken care of. I do have to admit that the pinch points you referred to were still biting me. Looking forward to mounting a Fox Army fxv 22 Pro red dot sight on it. Good review. The MAC review is the one that changed my mind from the Carry to the Duty. So far it is an excellent choice.
This is like the perfect gun to leave in your car/truck if you’re a 1911/2011 guy. That way you don’t take the chance of loosing your multi thousand dollar gun
That's what I'm planning to do in the farm truck, and mounting a holster on the side by side for when I'm coyote hunting or working, quick easy to reach and won't mind to beat it up (not that my c2 has had any issues, the dlc coating has impressed the crap out of me)
Never leave gun in truck.
I wouldn’t leave a gun in my car, but this would definitely make a great “work horse” 😎👍
Not sure if you've ever been lucky enough to read the old gun magazines before the internet days, but in the early 90's the "professionals" some of whom are still in the scene and on RUclips, demonstrated the press check in print. American handgunner was one of my favorite magazines. I don't remember the full context of the articles cause I was like 9 years old, but I remember being excited to see Segall do a press check in his movies. He seemed more credible to my young brain lol.
Oh yeah, I started reading gun magazines with my dad in the late 90s so
I got to catch the tail end of that era. Along with all of the “expertise” I’m surprised there was never a single bad gun review… Almost as if they only existed because the gun manufacturers were advertising 😂 Back then I believed most of it.
Read them? I still have them!
My sister says I'm a hoarder.
I consider myself a Protector of Antiquities. 🤣🤣🤣
@@FLsheepdog1 heck yeah man! All "read" all mine into tatters throughout the years. They simply fell apart 😞
California needs that
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I got in one of these for eval just a couple of weeks ago. I've got about 800 rounds on it, so far I'm liking it more than the MAC9DS despite the MAC's features.
Nice! 😎👍 I think people are sleeping on this one, for sure.
I do wish Tisas would offer a full length dust cover or full length rail.i like that look better on these guns,but I get the classic 1911 lines up front also,probably get it in a lot more holsters that way also.
the MAC 9 is only $150 more and has a bull barrel, and RMR cut . seems like the way to go if you want a sub 1k 2011. that or the Apollo
I've got the Mac 9 DS version, has a bill barrel. It's about 1K, but it's phenomenal. Im love. I did replace the grip aa dvtuned the trigger to 3.5lb. carry it daily
Nice! I’ll be getting the MAC as soon as one pops up locally 👍
Just finished watching your video, nice review. All the things that you found that were lacking on this one. You're going to take care of with the Mac. You're going to get that RMR cut in a plate. You're going to get the bull barrel, etc. I hope yours is as good as mine, we all know it's just a sample one. Mine's been 100%
@@MoneyShot_CM I’m hopeful that my shop gets a batch in so I can pick the best one 👀😂
After watching this and other videos I went out and purchased this gun. I have had great luck with Tisas and MAC. Let’s hope this one follows suit.
Nice! Congrats! Hopefully yours is as great as mine! 👍
Appreciation to you and your work from Tucson.
😎👍
Think I’m going to play around around with this for a little while and get a Bul armory 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Good move! 👍
As someone who saw Under Siege in theaters, the press check is crucial. 😂
ill prob just grab a platypus or whatever glock mag 2011 that comes out in the future tbh
Can’t wait for my Platypus 😎👍
Couple things most reviewers skip over....
The example I had (Night Stalker) was VERY accurate and 100% reliable.
That little RMR CC window get really crowded with suppressor height sites in it.
The factory RMR CC cut is fine for those optics, but PRECLUDES using a plate to go to a "full size" optic without machining and major surgery.
The Grip is Yuuuge and I'd love to see them come in smaller and stippled.
Direct swapping the grip, to an STI / Stacatto gen 2 reduced and stippled by Dark Side Precision, resulted in a non-functioning gun, as it pinned the trigger. I will look more into why and possible cures.
I do love your honesty in your videos! I feel like it's definitely worth giving it go
I can only vouch for the gun in front of me, so be sure to do some additional research to see what other people are experience 👍 I’m just one data point
@@NightwoodGuns very true, luckily I've seen nothing but good reviews so far and similar gripes.
12k in a day. You know we've been waiting on this. Really waiting for the MAC 9 DS review.
Absolutely 😂 And yeah, I can’t wait to get my hands on the MAC 👍 They still haven’t popped up locally for me…
A Turkish 1911 may be in my future but it will be a 10mm
Nice! 👍
I’ve got 8 1911 pistols I have a Tisas that is not really reliable, and I have a Kimber that is even less reliable.
I also own a Colt government model minted in 1918, it runs like a champ but it hates flat nosed or hollow point ammunition.
It also sounds like a mariachi band if you shake it, so the slide fit is a subjective thing.
For single stack I have a Dan Wesson Specialist that is air tight and reliable with all ammo. For double stack I have my Bul Armory TAC and a Staccato XC that are also perfectly fit and 100% reliable. I did have a single stack Tisas in 10mm that was a stinker, though.
I picked up the MAC 1911 DS from Tisas and its my new edc. I've had better groupings with it then my B.92sf and my G19 and I see why fudds will die on that "2 wRLd WaRs" Hill
Updated to 9mm Double Stack for WWIII 😂👍
@@NightwoodGuns World War Boogaloo!
I own a few Tisas guns. Most are decent. The GI 1911 duty model for $300 is hard to beat though. For some reason the fit and finish on that model is really good. Surprisingly good. For 2011's I have RIA's double stacks, which are their own version of double stack 1911s that are not modular, and the Prodigy. Both are decent, but I still feels they are a tad more expensive than what they offer up in value. The RIA tends to be at $900 if you can find one, and the Prodigy at $1200 as well. Both of them shoot well, but the fit and finish on both leave a lot to be desired. Especially at their higher prices. Right now this model can be had for about $600 and I'm severely tempted to get one at that price. Waiting to see if it drops below $600. Other than that I'm watching out still for the Apollo and the Platypus.
This gun where im at cost $699 plus tax. Mac 9 ds at $950, nnight stacker $950. Also apollo 11 5 inch $950 the only thing it comes with 1 mag, n mim parts. But all i thing a great choice. Trying to decide between those 3 wich one. The apolo 11 looks n feels great the 3 d grip is keeping me back. Good luck to everyone. God bless us all.
MAC 9 100% bro. I've watched hours and hours of budget 2011 vids before purchasing. Nobody has had any problems with them yet compared to the others. They eat everything out the box even wirh the stiff spring.
I’m getting a MAC the second my local shop gets one in, if that tells you anything 😅
You do excellent reviews of pistols and you ran this one like it was an old girlfriend from high school. I'm going to get this one and see if I have any luck.
My old girlfriend from highschool became my wife so I never lost my touch 🤣 Glad you enjoyed the review, I hope you are as happy with your Tisas as I am with mine 👍
Yes, I would consider it, thanks 😎
I’m getting it. I’ve been waiting for the right 2011 and this is it 7:57
I have a Tisas Carry on 9 mm and it is good.
Great to hear! 👍
I'll end up grabbing a MAC once they fix the co-witness issue. Would like an affordable, worthwhile 2011 on which to learn some 2011 specific gunsmithing.
Agreed. Would be something to try upgrades and improvements on.
@speedyx8988 Yup. I've got Staccato P that I'd like to work on a bit but figure I'll learn on something else first - and it's a good excuse for a new gun, of course.
I think that’s a good call! 👍 What’s the co-witness issue? I’ve been so busy doing my own reviews these days that I’m out of the loop.
@NightwoodGuns Apparently the optics plate or slide cut on the MAC is incorrectly designed and doesn't allow for true co-witness (you can *just* make out the tops of the front and rear sights). It's an issue they've acknowledged and said a new design is incoming. Not a huge issue for me TBH but I'm in no rush and can wait for a design change.
Crap, I need to get a first run MAC then! Thats the exact co-witness I like! 🤣
If you had paid closer attention to the details, some of the same models would have a few things a bit off (which it can be easily remedied). Such as pins not being flushed with the slide and what not.
But I have no critical issues with my PX-9 Gen 2. It’s just sometimes you don’t get a “perfect” finish or build.
I have a tisas single stack, kinda kicking myself because I got it not that long before the double stacks were announced. I'm probably picking up the nightstalker double stack, I just wish it didnt have a threaded barrel.
I feel your pain, I’ve had that happen in the past 😅 The Nightstalker looks cool! 👍
Maybe post the barrel for sale on your local gun forum and buy the non threaded one.
Can the grips be replaced for something better?
It’s a “2011” so other modules would bolt on
Yep, but it will most likely require fitting
I'm gonna have to get myself one of these later.
It’s pretty cool 😎👍
I have two Tisas 1911s. One in 45, one in 9 mm. I've never had trouble with either gun.👍
Great to hear! 😎👍
Brett, so enjoy your channel! Outstanding content 🤙
Thanks! 👍 glad you’ve been enjoying the channel! 😎
Regarding Smith, hopefully they get settled in at the T.N. plant and QC improves again...
Great American company 🇺🇸
A note on the Honda vs Maserati comparison...the Honda is actually the better vehicle. It will be more reliable, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper to insure and will probably run longer too. As for the Tisas, I sold my Stingray (which was 100% reliable and very well built) to a buddy, and picked up the Duty DS. A week later I picked up the Carry DS. They may not be $2000 2011s, but for both I paid less than one Bul or Stacatto. Also, the slide/frame fit doesn't bother me at all since the Tisas are about where my Platypus and Prodigy are. A little wiggle, but nothing annoying, and it actually helps reliability because it won't choke when it gets dirty. Either way, I love Tisas guns. They're cheap, they run, and I have QPQ slides, while my Prodigy and Platy are cerakote. Not knocking the cerakote but...QPQ is pretty sweet.
All great points! 👍
Good video thanks. I went with the LFA Apollo for a budget double stack so I'm skipping these SDS Import models but not surprised they are decent. Hope more people keep flock to these style guns be well.
Right on! I’d definitely like to try an Apollo for myself. The ones at SHOT were roughly fit together, but I’m hearing great things about the actual production models 👍
I’ve had mixed results with Tisas 1911 BRB and they sent me a new gun !!! And it ran well. However once I get a bad taste in my mouth the gun goes on the “ chopping block.. so it’s gone. Right know I’m leading towards the MaC version because of the RMR optic cut. Great review
I definitely understand that feeling 😅👍 Can’t wait to get my hands on the MAC!
I have a rock island 2011 double stack and I love it affordable and a performer
Nice, good to hear! 👍
@@NightwoodGuns it was the second weapon I purchased. A former Texas sheriff recommended it to me…in 1k rounds fired it’s never Jammed or fouled in any way. It came with. Second barrel for caliber 22 TCM (9mm load with 22 caliber bullet vicious little round)
Have the Tisas BR9 and their A1 service extremely reliable I am going to buy this weapon.
I re-tuned the trigger on my prodigy. I wasn't happy with it from springfield either. Pretty easily done on the 1911 or 2011. From what I've seen the Tisa's looks like a better option than the girsan witness
Was looking for a bull armory the night stalker was suggested because all they had was prodigy’s nigh stalker Girsan and one non optic cut sticcato. I’m glad I seen this I will continue looking for a bull or used optic cut p. I could feel the take down hang .
Yes! Been waiting for this video!
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"Chambered in 9mm"
Me: (clutches heart) Oh the heresy!
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Damn!! YOU run that gun really flat!! 😮 Good shooting!!
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I am currently trying to get one. Selling a couple of my guns to try and get the money together for it. Wish me luck!
Very nice! Good luck and enjoy! 👍
Wow that thing shoots flat 🔥 golden age of firearms when you can buy a functional 2011 for under $700 that doesnt suck
Yeah, man. Crazy time to be a gun enthusiast 😂👍
@@NightwoodGuns you gotta do a mac 9 comparison if you can get one for review 👍 dont bother with the girsan its a pos 🤣 then come april TTI COMBAT dropping 😎
I’m for sure getting a MAC as soon as my local shop gets one 👍 And I saw that the super shills are already getting the TTI Combat. The rest of us have to be patient 🤣
@@NightwoodGuns tti combat is a beautiful looking canik rival 🤣 for $400 more!! Tbf you do get alot for $950 msrp, comp, +4 basepad, better designed front fiber optic *thinner*, deeper optics cut, overall look is better than rival s... as comparison a shadow systems mr920p is $1100, I had piss poor luck with my cr920 I will never own another SS pistol, that gun would not cycle hollowpoints, I wanna see springfield drop a hellcat pro sized echelon, would sell like crazy!
@@KNIGHTOFSIN187 Well said! 👍
As always, doing the Lord's work. Great review!
Right on! Glad you enjoyed! 👍
"Duty Daddy"😂
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I ordered one today. I have a STI 2011 in 38 Super but wanted a 9mm.
I have a Tisas 1911 and plan on grabbing this or the Mac 9. Dope review.
Get the Mac 9. I have it. It's nice
Even though the MAC 9 has all of the features he gave negatives for, because the plate on the MAC does not allow you to co-witness with any RDS at this time("We're working on a solution"🤷♂️), the Tisas DS Carry(4.25) is a smokin' deal.🇺🇸🤘🇺🇸
I’m getting the MAC as soon as I can 👍
Would you say its reliable enough to daily carry? Im not a sub compact guy and like 4 in to 5 in barrel lengths. Im wanting to get a firearm like that to replace my current carry (Taurus G3) and im on a budget
My raider needed extractor tuning as it was FTE every round. After that its been fine 800ish rds. The MAC JSOC has been solid with 47Ds.
Seems like the MAC line is solid all around 👍
I’m new to guns and spending 2k out a staccato is out of the question. I could save for it but own a gun that cost more than my car is wild lol.
Almost retracted my like when he said a Maserati was better than a Honda, but we're going to overlook that. Great video, very thorough. I just purchased the Night Stalker version of this. Couldn't believe it when I saw one of these in the case. Then the salesman brough out two more from the back and said they just didn't have room to put all the versions out. I ultimately want a Staccato, but I just have to try out the new under dog in the 2011 game. I assume the 20rd magazines for the Staccato P fit this gun? I plan on picking a couple up to run with the factory ones it comes with.
Don’t worry, I drive my wife’s CRV all the time. I love Honda, it was just a silly analogy 😅👍 And yeah, the Staccato mags will work in this!