Tisas MAC 9 DS - The "Knockoff" Staccato 2011
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The MAC 9 DS made by Tisas has been dubbed the Turkatto or the Staccato 2011 at home. This affordable double stack 1911 pistol has gotten a lot of buzz in the industry? But is it truly the best 2011 for the money? I don't view this so much as being a budget 2011 as I do a cheaply manufactured attempt to play with the big boys like the Staccato P, Springfield Prodigy, Bul Armory SAS II Tac, and more. So, I am not pulling any punches. In this video I will cover any problems, issues, or malfunctions I may have had with this 9mm pistol as well as an in-depth honest review about what features make this a great option... possibly even in the top 2011 pistols on the market in 2024. We will discuss whether or not it is reliable or has reliability issues as well as whether or not I think its worth it. Enjoy this full MAC 9 DS Tisas 2011 review from Nightwood Guns!
Seems like itd be a good project gun to deal with all the shortcomings:
1. Install an atlas trigger of choice
2. Bend sear spring to adjust trigger weight
3. Bend extractor for more tension
4. Grip tape/new grip module
5. Spring kit
6. Polish internals
For less than $200 and some work it could turn out well
It is funny to me that what you have here even needs to be mentioned. I did not even shoot mines before I broke it down got the trigger pull to 3.5lbs by bending the spring, put in a lighter spring and spacer and mines works great. We know what we bought and expect to have to do some upgrades. It was 1000 bucks not 2500 going to have to do something. With that said I love mines it runs great after the changes.
Yep, this is exactly right. I just review the gun out of the box because the majority of consumers in this industry aren’t gun nerds and won’t want to tear down a 2011. But this gun is 100% a serviceable foundation for a great build 👍
You're not wrong, but if you're prepared to make it a project gun, why not save a couple hundred right off the bat and buy the 1911 Duty DS?
@thebenior because they were out of stock and the MAC was all that was available
@@thebenior They do have different specs. The MAC has a longer rail and also is cut for the RMR. I have one and have had a great experience so far. I do want a lighter trigger pull so I have that being done now. So even with the trigger work I'll come in about for the stock price of a Prodigy and not have MIM parts to potentially contend with. The MAC is a Prodigy alternative, not a Stacatto alternative in my opinion. At least that's why I purchased it.
Thanks for checking the MAC out! For the price point we put everything we could into it. You're trigger is def heavier than our 4.5# avg. I would usually say, " glad you enjoyed it" but you didn't, but I've shared your video with the product mangers. I will say all of your short comings with the MAC are prevalent with others off the shelf guns but we addressed a lot of others. Compatibility with many parts so the owners can tinker and grow the pistol. I see people taking new STI's and throwing 1000.00 of parts and labor into them in the 2011 subreddit every day. Hopefully the Tisas and Mac give a whole new market to test the waters without a 2400... heck even a 1400 entry into the platform. Excellent video as always though. keep it up sir.
As always, I appreciate your attitude and engagement with the community. I hope the MAC and Tisas double stack lines do well for you guys, because I’d love to see where you will go from here 👍
Great to see you guys chiming in here, just to let you know my mac-9 is fantastic. I just adjusted the trigger myself and it's sub 3 lb now. I did throw another grip on it and I absolutely love it. I've had no issues with it so far. No it doesn't compare to my staccato or my Wilson Combat, but it also only cost me a grand. It's a great starter gun and one that can be built on and tinkered with. I've had none of these issues. It's always funny when people complain so much about a 1911 trigger, most of them can be fixed with just an adjustment of the sear. The angles on the sear and the hammer on mine were perfect, it's like breaking glass. Just a quick bend and pow! 3.5, then a little but and now sub 3lb, still crisp.
Solid response @sdsimports ...seems like he just got a lemon trigger as ones I handled in stores seemed at least under 5 lbs MAC & Tisas DS. The 10mm Yukon I didled the fit was awesome! Hoping you will get something out soon. When I put New stuff to my channel vids out they get more views & engagement . There are some cool Commanders w bobcuts or I think the Stakeouts would sell really good if more aware of them and they had a good front sight & some cool full size like the Enhanced or Texas models. I've got full rmr size Gideon waiting to put on something optics ready like a no safety Gen 3 too.
I would like to see some improvement on the safety, it needs to take positive force to flip "off safe". Also higher sights so we can get a cowitness with the deck height of an SRO. Extractor tuning is also a necessary thing, as it could lead to so.e malfunctions if not done properly. If the improvements are made. The pistol needs to be a "Gen II" designation. Don't just make a rolling change as consumers won't know which pistol they a buying.
@@fattigla I think you should know that most people don't have a problem with the safety, it seems to be a sporadic issue. All the people that I've talked to, their safety is like mine, stiff as a board and cannot be accidentally flipped off or on. Knight wood was the first person I heard mention it, not saying there aren't others out there. But even though the humble marksman was kind of positive and down on the pistol as well, he remarked it to safety on his was fine. It seems like a consistency issue and not something that needs to be improved in another generation. Every safety has to be fit on a 1911.
Seems like you and Humbe Marksman are the only two that have gone in depth about the shortcomings of this pistol.
A lot of others are paid lol
@@Logjammer69 MOST of the others are paid. Brett's a solid guy.
Humble and I actually bumped into each other in the comments on the 2011 subreddit and were laughing that our observations were nearly identical before our videos dropped 😂
@@Logjammer69 Yep. Not all are paid, but some are given an incentive that if the review is good they get to keep a pistol sent to them for free and then SDS Imports will continue sending them guns for review and repeat. If it’s not, they have to send it back and no more guns. Thats how they reach the medium and smaller channels without paying them.
@@m4rvinmartian Yep, that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
So it needs...
1. Stipple job
2. Dawson tool less guide rod/spring
3. Possible extractor tuning
4. Bob marvel disconnector ramp
5. Trigger job/shoe swap (possibly just tinker with sear spring)
6. Possible safety change or safety plunger tune
7. Optic plate situation is what it is ☹️
Interesting. I'll still play ball, i love tinkering 😂
If you love tinkering, you just found your perfect double stack 1911 😎👍
I bought one and have to agree that it is WAAAY oversprung! Fortunately, I bought it as a project gun and thus the negatives you cited aren’t a big deal as those things will be changed during the course of my project.
My thoughts exactly, this gun is perfect for customizing
Absolutely, this is the perfect gun to trick out on your own 👍
Dang why do I want this now just because of the fun to fix it's imperfections.......,
I put an 11 lb recoil spring in my Mac 9 with an Atlas toolless guide rod and a 17 lb main spring. In my opinion the pistol was way over sprung from the factory. It came with a 4 pd trigger from the factory and shoots flat as can be with the spring changes I made. No issues at all with the safeties, they are very positive and tactile.. My Atlas 140mm mags work great in it. The grip texture could be better and my next move for it will be a Cheely E2 grip for it as soon as they are back in stock. I paid $869.00 for mine and I put less than $100.00 in it and I couldn't be happier with the results. It's not a 5- 6K custom made double stack 1911...but it's a great pistol to tinker with for the money.
“A great pistol to tinker with for the money” could 100% be their slogan. Well said 👍
"Turkatto features" Priceless.
😂👍
Your honesty is always appreciated. Can't trust just anyone for an honest review nowadays.
I’m glad you enjoyed the review. I genuinely understand why there are so few truly honest review channels. I can barely keep this channel alive 😂 I’m grateful for the sponsorship opportunity from Aura, though. I hope it works out 👍
I appreciate the review but I think the thing that really stood out to me is despite the shortcomings, you still managed to tell the truth, that this offering while not perfect can be a game changer, and that forged parts can make this thing run for a long time reliably. I don’t think that anyone should expect a entry level 2011 at 1k msrp to have no flaws and I’m glad to see that it doesn’t malfunction and overall it is a good cheap firearm. I think you make me want to get one all in all, give it a shot. I’ve been following you for a little while now and I’m glad to see your channel growing and to see how much work you put in to it. Good stuff man keep it up.
Right on! I appreciate the feedback on the video and I’m glad you enjoyed 👍
Great review! (Az here too) So... besides the sights and grips needing replaced... what I heard in this video was that a hour or so of tuning (spring), polish work and super basic smith work on the safety detent, disconnector and sear..... and you have a budget monster. All things I would do anyways as I never leave anything alone.
Yep, if you tinker this is a dream gun! 😅👍
I can definitely agree the trigger was heavy and it was definitely over sprung. But simple fixes i adjusted the sere and got 3.5 lb average extremely crisp brake. Threw in an Atlas 12 lb recoil spring and a 19 lb hammer spring and just those minor adjustments which costed about 20$ w shipping completely changed the gun. Everyone I’ve had pick it up fall in love with it sheerly based on how well it performs and the price point, I’ve got about 1500 rounds thru it and the grip could definitely be improved but I’ve had zero slippage issues even with sweaty hands. Used it for competition in 3 matches now and the grip was never an issue
Oh yeah, if you mod this thing I bet you can turn it into an absolute monster. It’s a great foundation for a custom blaster. I’m probably just spoiled with grip textures since I mainly run Staccatos with Tac Texture and Bul Armory TACs. Not unshootable by any means, but the cheaper Tisas 9 DS has a better texture and that makes me scratch my head a bit. I’m glad you’re enjoying it 👍
@@NightwoodGuns can’t argue there, with my luck they’ll probably drop a better grip module for future models. Unfortunately 2011 grip modules are ridiculously expensive
@@mikehoncho806 My thoughts exactly 👍
Hey man how do you adjust that sear? Is it pretty simple? Your comment is making me really wanna buy this gun and order these parts right away! I have never adjusted a sear and don't wanna try something and screw it up or make it worse lol
I bought the MAC 9 DS as a project. It cost $900, plus $500 in parts, and it runs perfectly; I have shot more than 1500 rounds without a problem; it is a firearm to buy and make modifications, and you will end with a good Turkatto
These are the parts I used
MJD Villain Grip (it will require fitting for the trigger)
MJD Magwell
MJD Mag Catch
ISMI 17 lbs Main Spring
Wolf 10 lbs Commander Recoil Spring
Colt Sear Spring
Infinity Trigger
Yep, this is exactly right 👍 I’m glad you are happy with it! It is a strong foundation to customize.
@@NightwoodGuns Yes, it is a good foundation, and accuracy is good
Dude I’m impressed, This is an excellent negative review. This is only the second video I’ve watched of yours but it is apparent you really know what you’re talking about and great choice of words. Keep it up brother
Right on, I’m glad you enjoyed! 😎👍
I put a wilson combat spring kit in my tisas guns and they're awesome now
Very nice 😎👍
Just ordered my tisas br9 a few days ago and ill be picking it up soon! Cant wait!
Appreciate your honest assessment…. You and Humble Marksman seem to be pretty much on the same page. Really appreciate an honest opinion from those that shoot this platform a lot and have trigger time on a number of different manufacturers.
I bumped into him in the comments of a post on the 2011 subreddit and we were laughing that our observations were the same before our videos dropped 😂 Glad you enjoyed the video! 👍
I ordered one and will have it next week. From all of the reviews, $500 or less will make this Mac 9 a dream and it still comes in less than the prodigy or other platforms. I’m stoked to get into the 2011 game and make it my own.
I love a good, honest, thorough review. Great job!
I got a DS Duty(5”) 4.6lb trigger pull outstanding firearm. I don’t mind 3/4” longer barrel the rail is full length with no issues with light compatibility-the shorter one has issues. It takes
K size Optics and co witnesses. With a 1911 having a thin slide a rmr cut on the Mac is just to wide. Did a Optic-X300 light-Full Guide Rod
Very nice! 😎👍
Would you change the recoil spring to a different weight and if so what lb or leave the factory spring in it (Don’t know the weight of the stock recoil spring)?
@@Lookingoutthere It shoots great with the stock spring. I personally wouldn’t change it.
Thank you for the brutally honest and detailed review. Humor is lit 🔥 too. Keep it up!
Was not expecting someone to kick down the bathroom door and take my pooper 😂😂😂
If someone’s gotta kick down the bathroom door they better clean out the hair outta the drain trap in the bathtub and wipe down the shower walls, the lazy azzes!
Expect the unexpected 😂👍
Good honest review your video editing skills are very impressive keep up the good work
I’m glad you enjoyed the review 👍
I see SDS responded to this video. The MAC is NOT a 2011. All of the complaints are directed to fit and tuning. I have several Stacattos, you do not NEED to put $1000 into a P to get it to run perfectly. Yes, Tisas uses forged internals, which is a higher-end choice, but to get the tuning you need on the extractor and disconnector you need to go with extreme or EGW internals. You change the trigger, and the Atlas aftermarket is only $65.00. and you can tune it to 3 lbs and change the entire complexion of the gun. The grip, stipple it, or change it out. The reason full-length dust covers appear on 2011s is to counterbalance weight. The Tisas and MAC are the first issues and are learning tools for the company and shooters. Heck, I buy the Prodigy and a $550 internals upgrade.
I totally understand that point of view. Thanks for your insight 👍
PX4 Video!!!! LFG!!! Here for the PX4 content
Can’t wait to run it! 🙌
I'll be waiting for that PX4 Storm review
I’m definitely excited to run it 👍
I bought the double stack night stalker 5 inch Tisas model and wow! It punches way above it's price tag. Not as smooth of an action as my prodigy, but very accurate and reliable so far
Yeah, the nightstalker is a bargain 👍 Glad you’re enjoying it!
Almost bought the other Tisas until this morning when the Bul Armory came in stock finally!
Dwjimports has a few used bull double stacks.
I got about 100 messages from people this morning panicking about the huge Bul Armory restock 😂👍
@@NightwoodGuns and I picked one up! Yes!!
@@jtaylorb88 Nice! They sold out fast! I’m glad you got one 👍
I think that because you have a sanple size of one you may have just received one that didn’t get as much love as it should have before leaving the factory.
My buddy has one and while I agree that it needs more aggressive texturing, his trigger consistently broke at slightly over 4lbs. I also agree that the trigger reach is a bit too far out there; especially, considering I have medium sized hands not Hicock 45 sized digits. His also had a very uniform ejection pattern.
Too be fair this is Tisas and MAC first run at a “2011" styled pistol so there may be some growing pains. That said, I still think that they have a great platform upon which to build a fully custom 1911 DS that will not break the bank. Even if you had 1800 in the pistol by the time you were done tricking it out, it is significantly cheaper than a Stacatto. These firearms are not commonly left in stock format regardless of initial cost. Everyone wants to customize and tune their firearm to tgeir personal preference, so if this has all the right DNA at a pricepoint that leaves plenty of meat on the bone, IMO it is a complete win.
I agree that this gun is great after replacing a bunch of parts and upgrading it. (Although, at 1800 you could have a Bul Armory) But I disagree that these pistols aren’t commonly left stock and that everyone wants to customize them. 2011s were niche firearms until STI rebranded to Staccato and made them duty-reliable and ready to rock out of the box. I believe 2011s are now mainstream because of that. Maybe the majority of enthusiast posters on Reddit and Instagram as well as competitors are customizing them, but I believe the majority of buyers in reality are leaving them stock (other than mounting red dots/WMLs) That’s my observation at least.
Thanks for giving a review that actually shows what this gun is all about 👍
Glad you enjoyed 😎👍
I was excited about this gun, but then I realized the 2011 is a precision instrument and there's no point in compromising quality to save money.
Fair enough 👍
I really appreciate this pistol coming to market even if it does have a few shortcomings. It’s a great value and would be enjoyable and affordable to customize.
Exactly 👍
I think the best comparison would be this versus the Apollo 11 compact since they are coming in around the same price but with some different features. I have the Apollo 11 compact and am very happy with mine (after a break in with some fine tuning). However I do know that LFA has really good customer service if anything needs to be addressed. I cant speak for MACs though
The slides on those enhance the pistols appearance. I wouldn’t want it with the 5in slide.
The Apollo 11 Compact is on my short list for the channel 👍
You might want to send it back for the trigger because the one I messed with yesterday. I swear it felt like a 3 1/2 pound trigger. It was light and smooth.
I have a Gideon Judge (RMSC) for my Glock 48 MOS. Within 200 rounds it was dimming on a trigger pull and even turned off. Then it intermittently stopped waking up. I will give Gideon credit, because technical support was great and immediately gave me a return label and are shipping a new unit back. We will see if it was a fluke.
I've had the same problem with Holosun 507k after about 350 rounds. Also, my Leopold DPP had a flickering problem after about 500 rounds.
My pont being....it can happen to all optics brands, cheap or higher end. Eelctronics can be unpredictable. But fortunately for us gun enthusiasts, almost all brands have an easy exchange policy. They normally just send you a new one.
Viridian optics (RFX25, RFX35), and My Sig Romeo 1 pro are the only brands I've had no problems....so far (easily over 1000 rounds). Now that I said that....yeah. lol.
@@808G8GT Great insight. I have very limited experience with optics so I appreciate you taking the time. If anything is encouraging, as that's what support told me: "Sounds like an electronics defect."
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Very nice! 😎👍
Hell yeah shoutout to Bexar Arms! Phil is such a good dude.
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So out of the box it needs a grip module/stipple, trigger shoe and tune, AND safety tune. Dang.
(MJD Solutions Villain grip modules are already available)
We've been enjoying seeing the stipple jobs for sure!
It’s a good foundation, but yeah… if you want it to shoot as well as other 2011s it needs some work. The stipple/grip module replacement being the most annoying.
Yey I just held it at my local gun store and the grip is so bad. Its slippery as can be. I was thinking stipple job soon as I held it. But, I love that theres no mim parts on it.
Yep, 💯
Thanks for the video. I still want one, but at least now I know I will have a little work to do on it when I get it.
It’s good to know what to expect! 👍 It’s a great foundation that’s for sure!
Had my dying at the whole description of the safety 😂
😂👍
About what I expected, but I'll admit I'm surprised it ran reliably despite everything. My biggest takeaway here is the concerning lack of consistency from what's coming out of Tisas after a much better showing from the DS9. It's cool how much they offer for the price point, but it's too much of a gamble for me.
Yep, it’s a dice roll with Tisas. But if you get a good one, it is great for the money! 👍
Great Review and much needed truth on a newer 2011 turkatto
I’m glad you enjoyed the review 👍
Hands down THE best review on this pistol I've seen! I want so much to like the MAC 9 DS but a few things give me pause...
If you don’t mind tuning it up and changing a few things, it’s a great option 👍
When it comes to the trigger and spring, I agree with you. The rest, I think you are just nitpicking. I have both the MAC DS and the Prodigy so I understand where you are coming from. However, once you kit it out with an Atlas trigger, tooless guide rod, Atlas spring and Phoenix Trinity Hero Grip, it transforms to a different gun 😉
I’m known for being critical, but I believe my criticisms are fair even if they are nitpicky. The fact that their cheaper offering has better grip texture causes some head scratching. But I agree, this turns into a phenomenal pistol when you change out a bunch of parts. It’s a solid foundation with the forged parts 👍
@juniorrenzana4493 How much are the upgrades you recommend? Just ballpark it. I am on the fence with this. I like my CZ 75B, but interested in the MAC DS. TIA
@@r.j.macready5620 Probably $1200 including gunsmith cost. I would highly recommend that you just get the Prodigy 4.25 and install EGW ignition kit. Knowing what I know now, I would go that route. Hope that helps.
I’m happy with my choice of the Duty 5 inch DS 9. Other than the ambi safety(digging into the webbing of my left shooting hand thumb) I doubt I’ll be changing anything else. Trigger reach is perfect, nice trigger break. For $750 it more than satisfies my want/needs for a 2011 style pistol.
Agreed 💯
I can’t wait to get it. My MAC JSOC is awesome. In most ways it’s better than my Sig Scorpion. Thanks for the videos. Sub’d
Very nice! 😎👍 Welcome to the channel
I have the same setup you have and everybody. He is right about everything he is saying
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It’s weird that two of these short comings, the grip and the trigger shoe, could both have been made better by just taking what is on the base Tisas B9R DS. I had the same concerns on the trigger shoe when I looked at pre production pictures. What’s weird about it for me is 2011s already tend to be chonky, to the point where people pay good money to have grip reductions done. To make the trigger reach even longer is head scratching.
It probably boiled down to wanting a grip module that “looked” like a Staccato grip module and wanting a clearly flat trigger shoe because those are perceived as being better or more desirable. But yeah, lots of head scratching with this one. They were so close 😂
Interesting take as it turns out Tisas builds them for MAC to rebrand.
Yep, I even said so in the video 👍
Well Brett, you certainly got me thinking if I want to get this pistol. I'd like to get in to the double stack 1911.2011 pistol. I don'y know which way to go now. Suggestions? I need to keep any purchase under $2000.00. I'd appreciate some feed back.
@@artiefedrich5643 My number one recommendation in that budget is the Stealth Arms Platypus. The MAC is a great option if you don’t mind modding it a bit 👍
hey Brett, I looked at a few Platypus videos and then went to their order page. They are saying 20 to 24 weeks turn around time. I'd go crazy laying out that amount of money and having to wait that long. I also saw that a lot of people are complaining about trying to get some answers from the factory, and no return calls or texts back.
@@artiefedrich5643 Yep, it definitely requires patience but it’s amazing. Honestly, if I were you I’d just get the Tisas DS9 Duty. Dip your toe in the game with a great budget option 👍
What did you not like about the Gideon?
Lost zero at about 400 rounds. Then kept losing zero after that.
Hah we have never spoke about it - but we wound up in the same place
Yep, exactly 😂👍
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Your ejection was probably erratic because your optic overhangs the ejection port. Probably need an optic that sits further back.
Humble Marksman did exactly that and had the same erratic ejection.
@@NightwoodGuns oh. Didn't see it. It was just an observation because they were yeeting off your optic all over the place
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Right on! I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the content! Samurai Edge friends are always welcomed with open arms around here 😎😂
Nice review! Just got the chrome rival-s for competition. Think it’s gorgeous looking, finally get to take it to the range today 🤞
Nice! Let me know how it goes! 👍
Roger Barrera/QVO Tactical just posted a comparison video between the MAC, Tisas, and Live Free Armory. It was pretty good and they ran them each for 500rds.
There will be inconsistent reviews on this simply because the QC is inconsistent. Humble Marksman and I had very close “mid” experiences. Others have been better, others have been worse. It’s just a bit of a dice roll.
@@NightwoodGuns Gotcha!
Hmmm 🤔 The Humble Marksman wasn’t blown away by it either. So I’m not that surprised. I don’t wanna give Springfield Armory a penny of my money. I might grab the Tisas 5” and slap a Barstow Bull Barrel in it and tune that instead 😭
It's a solid choice.
If you are planning to tinker, you could really go either way 👍
@@NightwoodGuns I really just want a 5” 2011 with a full dust cover and a bull barrel lol but I might have to get a platypus
@@Vante512 I think I have 8 weeks left on my Platy 😂
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Thanks for the awesome content my man
lol! Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed 👍
Another great video man. I have some of the same issues but far as project gun I think it's fantastic for the price point.
Absolutely, it’s the ultimate project gun 😎👍
I LOVE MINE.. had a Bul Armory 2011 and had more jams (even after breaking in and polishing) than a country store! Sold it the next day!!!
Yikes! How long ago was this? I only recently hopped onto the Bul Armory train and they’ve been fantastic for me.
I shot one at a manufacturer day and loved it so much I bought one. Unfortunately the one I bought was not the same gun. But tuning the sear and a Dawson precision spring kit it's running great. I also agree with the lack of grip texture since I'm in S Texas I will be using grip tape until I settle on a new module. Thanks for the review
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I’m glad you’re enjoying it now, at least!
Can you link the spring kit? I don't see a 4.25 inch one I'm not sure which one to order
Dawson is 4.15 it's the measurement of the recoil spring
Change that guide rod to a stainless steel or even brass one. It’ll give the gun more weight up front.
Slippery? Yep. Got it to the range after purchase, was not hot, was ok under recoil. Took it to the range another time, sun out, started sweating, by the time i was done my forearms were hurting trying to hang on...cheap fix, take a towel.
Co-witness? What's that?😂 Pretty much got the dot of my 507 sitting on top of the sight body. I am going to practice with the irons next time and while i have the plate off am going to check if the cut is for sights readily available...hopefully Glock.
Trigger? Too long for this hobbit. Need medium curved or short flat...also too heavy at the moment, possibly because I'm sorta pushing it sideways and back...too too long.
Ejection pattern? To my right, none at my feet, none forward. Like Humble said, don't get an RDS that intrudes into the ejection port.
Recoil Spring? Heavy. New springs are cheap, get a 4 or 5 pack, tune it to the load. Mine was also 100% reliable.
My limited experience, do with this information what you will.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸🤘🇺🇸
Yep, this is pretty much the MAC experience in a nutshell 👍
Hey what’s up man I’ve been wanting to get in the 1911/2011 format pistol for a while. So between that Tisas mac9 or a Tisas 1911 DS or a Springfield Prodigy which one would you buy?
Wanna save a bunch of money? Tisas. Wanna get the best one out of the box with a good warranty? Prodigy. Wanna tinker, upgrade, and modify to have the best of the three? MAC.
Personally, between those three I’d get the Prodigy and replace a few parts as time goes on.
@@NightwoodGuns thanks for the advice great video.
How hard is it to get the trigger weight down? I found the Tisas 1911 5" DS at a local shop and it felt ok. Would have to strip it down and sandpaper down the grip and put some talon on it. Just wondering Id rather have a lighter trigger. This one and the Tisas duty are on my radar.
If you are familiar with fully disassembling a 1911/2011 to the “gunsmithing” level then it’s a piece of cake with some online guidance. If you’ve never done it before, it can be like cracking open Pandora’s box. I’d check out some videos to get an idea of what it’s like 👍
@@NightwoodGuns Is it like a P226? I had a rock island 1911 I replaced the trigger and housing and hammer on. I dont mind doing the work, just wanted to know what it would be like money wise? Could I go to Nighthawk customs and get one of there 1911 trigger packages?
@@tangoxrayniner5659 In theory you could just adjust the sear spring for free. At your own risk of course, so be sure to do some research. Getting another trigger like a Nighthawk would be another option, yes.
Picked this up and the mc9 in the same month. Biggest L's in my gun purchasing history ( but still do like this MAC 9 much better than the current/typical problems my mc9 is still having...). Thanks for the insight!
At least the MAC runs unlike the MC9… 😅👍
Appreciate the video. If you were going to change out the spring, the grip, and if possible to fix the slide hang up , safety issue if possible. How much you think that would cost you
Depending on how you did it, it could cost 200-600. But the biggest pain in the butt would be the full disassembly and fitting of parts if you are not intimately familiar with 2011 tinkering. Particularly the grip module, safety, trigger, and disconnector as well as tuning the extractor. Cheapest way to improve this would be a new recoil spring and some grip tape while living with everything else. 🤷♂️
@NightwoodGuns thank you, really appreciate the info.👍👍👍👍
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A good positive safety in the bathroom is important! I like to hang mine on the coat hook for quick access
I hide mine in the toilet tank 👍
Do you think I can put a rmr on the tisas with adapter plate?
I’m pretty sure one company is making an rmsc to RMR adapter plate. I’d recommend googling it and reaching out to him 👍
Great reviews and conclusion, thanks.
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Good to know information. I appreciate your detailed review. Thanks!
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Wow. I guess I’ll get the Br9 then. Thanks for the review brotha.
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Another awesome vid man. A natural in front of the camera. I literally spit out my coffee on the pooper bandit comment. With that said, looking swole these days.
Right on, glad you enjoyed the vid! 😂👍
Thanks man!
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Does the plate come with the firearm ?
Yes 👍
yo.. nightwood Guns ..if you dont mind me asking... where did you get the plate to add optic & rear sight for the Mac9 d/s...please let me know...i appreciate it
Came with the pistol 👍
Thanks, Great review.
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Do the Apollo 11 brotherrrrrr
Lots of demand = I’ll probably do it 😂
Thanks for reviewing it.
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I understand your complaints, I own one that I've just gotten over 1000 rounds. But 3 very cheap things fix this gun immediately. First is an atlas gun works recoil spring set, the original spring is for a 5 inch gun and even that is a bit snappy. I've found the 14 ilbs spring is both reliable and much softer shooting. then either tune the seer spring and disconnector to help the trigger and spring pressure on the disconnector, so that it doesn't hang up. If you don't feel comfortable tuning your own mainspring, you can buy a colt mainspring for $9 and I'm theory it would solve the same problem. Then get any high quality pin springs for the safety and takedown pins. The stock one is too loose and that's why the safety feels like a dud. And lastly some skateboard tape will fix the grip problem. All in you're at about $1080 and the gun shoots almost as well as a staccato. Definitely not quite that level, but for less than half the price, it's an excellent gun. And a phenomenal one to learn more about how the platform works, and what makes a good 1911.
For context, I own a staccato c2, and carry a CZ p07 most days.
I hear you and agree with you 100% But if it’s so easy and so cheap to do those upgrades… why doesn’t Tisas/MAC just do it? Then, with upgraded grip texture, it would be the undisputed king 😂👍
@@NightwoodGuns that comes down to production cost. I'm 90% sure (can't confirm because the don't list spring weights) that all tisas 1911's use the same recoil springs. That's why a lot of people say the 4.25 models are snappy. Producing 1 spring setup is cheaper than having multiple assembly lines. Cleaning up the disconnector and seer springs is hand tuning that no off the shelf 1911 is going to have (colt makes an excellent stock mainspring, so that's why many people say, just buy one of those) but you're 100% right about the grip. The 25 lines per inch on the front and back do work, but the sides are so slick it's not enough, especially given how fat 2011 grips are. I use skateboard tape on my daily carry, so I just did the same on this and it immediately fixed the problem. It would cost tisas a lot in manufacturing to get that last little bit of tuning into the gun, and from what I've gathered, you can cut corners on parts (Springfield) and have it shoot great, but be unreliable. Or you can use off the shelf 1911 parts that are forged and solid, but put less into slide mass/springweight/grip design, and get a product you an fix for less than $100 to shoot like a $2000 gun. It costs more than a staccato to make a prodigy as good as a staccato, and it still won't be quite there cause it isn't a hand fit gun. This is as close as you'll get, and it costs less to start, and less to fix. Honestly for 1100 you won't find a better shooting pistol than this other than a CZ shadow 2
@@NightwoodGuns all that being said, I can't confirm there won't be gun to gun issues, and mine may have just been a good one that was set up well for the modifications I made. I think the tisas model is the better buy for 99% of people, cause they're cheaper, easier to takedown, and they apparently still shoot quite well, but if you want to learn about 1911's and 2011's and you want the platform to be workable, this is an awesome starting point, and a great introduction into competition shooting, and why competition guns have the parts/tuning they do.
And I'm a sucker for a bull barrel, and I don't know many 1911's that are sub 1000 with a bull barrel.
Awesome reviews and love the content lately. Request: more revolver content? Maybe a M&P 340 or 340 PD? Your video 5 month ago got me on the revolver train. Looking forward to the px4 and dagger review!
I have so much more revolver content on the way, it’s not even funny 😂👍 These hot topic guns just keep falling into my lap and pushing the wheelguns down the line. It also doesn’t help that .38 and .357 mag ammo is crazy expensive nowadays. Spohr review should be next weekend though 😎
I think you just got a Lemmon. Mine has none of those issues.
I came for the budget DS 1911. I stayed because you were wearing a sick ass Evangelion shirt ❤
Thanks for the video keep them coming sir!
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Wheres the link in the description? I clicked the link on the video and auto takes me to the description, I swear I can't find it have Parton, books, your courses, and the gram only links down there?
That’s wild, I just tested it and you’re right. It takes you down to the description 😂 But it’s the first link in the description on this video. It says thanks for supporting by using the description link: and then you click on “A Reliable Budget 2011? - Tisas Doubl…”
I am so torn. Do i get this and modify it or get the tisas duty or a night stalker or prodigy or bite the bullet and save for the bul edc 😭😭😭.
Thanks for the review. I would have loved some side by side comparisons versus your more expensive 2011’s while doing some times drills
Hopefully in a future vid 👍
another 1911/2011. love to see it
And now everyone wants to see the Apollo 11 Compact 😅
I put a Wilson spring kit in both of mine, that's just something you were going to do inevitably anyway
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What weight spring?
yeah, they dogged the grip texture and trigger length.
Slide to frame fit is LOOSE.
Safeties aren't great.
NOT really RMR cut, but it comes with a plate.
The TISAS optics cut precludes full sized optics.... BIG MISTAKE.
Otherwise.... a solid pistol and a great value.
I swapped grip, trigger, and safeties.... tweaked the springs and trigger weight..... GREAT (base) gun.
Yep, it’s a great foundation to tune up and upgrade! If they didn’t drop the ball on the features you mentioned, it would have been an incredible “out of the box” 2011
Shame about that optic flaking out at 400rds. I’d seen those Gideons out there, was waiting on the word to come out.
Could just be a lemon, but it’s a bad first impression 😂
Great video
Are the parts compatible with Staccato?
Thank you.
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I still want a DS Carry 4.25" at some point every OZ matters and i know my backs belt line limit for actual carry. Glad you put more shooting footage in this one. Actually want more I know young ADHD like snap cuts and short vids but this easily could have been 15 minutes IMO and you have a strong base now to make vids a bit longer perhaps w more shooting footage id like to see hits and times on drills etc
My perspective any 2011 is a better shooting experience than the😢 plastic wonder "Glock".
nyway good review/vid
It’s beats Glock in every category except slide lock/emergency reloads. Glad you enjoyed the vid 👍
Good to know
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Finally one i can afford!
Lmao jkjk. I wouldnt waste money like that lol
As always man love your content and thank you for your honesty. I wont buy a handgun without atleast hearing your opinion on it.
Right on, glad you enjoyed the vid!
Where is the best price for this firearm?
I can’t even answer that here on YT. It would be off to the Gulag with me 😂