An Invisible Threat | Pan Am Flight 759
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This is the story of Pan Am Flight 759. On the 9th of july 1982 it was a rainy overcast day and a pan am 727, flight 759 was flying from miami to las vegas with a stop over in new orleans. At 3:38 pm central day light time the 727 left the gate with 145 people on board. As the pilots taxied away they listened to the ATIS message. scattered clouds at 2500 feet, 6 miles of visibility and calm winds coming in from 240 degrees, the overcast sky looked like it might give them some trouble, but so far, it was relatively calm. As the plane started its taxi the pilots calculated important metrics for the take off. The engines were to be set to a power setting of around 1.90 and the V1 and the V2 speeds were at 131 and 158 knots respectively.
The crew requested runway 10 and the tower cleared them to use the same, clipper 759 was about to start her second leg for the day towards las vegas. At 3:59 pm the copilot asks for a wind check, ground control lets them know that they have an 8 knot wind coming in from 040 degrees. Nothing too major,nothing that the 727 couldnt handle.
As the plane taxied and the pilots toiled away in the cockpit, the radio buzzed in the background, some planes had experienced some issues with wind shear in the north eastern quadrant of the airport. At 4:03 pm the copilot requested another wind check.ground control lets them know that Wind was at 070 at 17 knots gusting to 23. With windshear alerts going off in all quadrants of the airport it was now more windy than when they started out. It appeared that they were in the middle of a weather system, the captain advises the copilot to quote “Let the speed build up on takeoff” the captain even suggested that they turned of the air conditioning packs so that they would have more thrust from the engines on takeoff.
At 4:06 om and 22 seconds clipper 759 was ready to go.Two seconds later towered cleared them for takeoff. As the pilots completed their pre takeoff checklists the radio in the cockpit crackled to life with a transmission from a landing eastern airlines airplane, they had reported a ten knot wind shear on the final approach onto runway 10. At 4:07 pm the plane was rolling down the runway picking up speed. The captain called out rotate and V2 as the plane continued its takeoff. The plane lifted off 7000 feet down the runway and the plane climbed wings level to about 150 feet and then to the shock of onlookers flight 759 began to descend.
The initial climb was normal, flight 759 looked like any other 727 on takeoff. But as the plane began to descend the nose started to pitch up. With the nose up at about 7 to 10 degrees it was clear that flight 759 was clawing for altitude. And then flight 759 runs out of altitude and crashes into a residential neighbourhood killing 154 people on board and 8 people on the ground.
The plane struck the ground 2300 feet from the end of the runway. The plane started striking the tops of the trees with the left wing about 2-3 degrees down. The plane rolled to the left and then continued on finally coming to rest almost 4000 feet from the runway. The wreckage told them a lot, the gear was retracted and the flaps were set to 15. The investigators scoured the now shattered cockpit and found that the EPR gauges were at 1.90 for engines 1 and three and engine number 2 on the tail was at 2.90, the plane had plenty of thrust when it crashed. 
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Thank you it means the world to me
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Hi , I have discovered you lately, enjoying the presentation you do on classic accidents and subscribed. Already, I have commented on the Saudia L1011 fire, now on this one.
I was a flight engineer , 727 my first type for 10 years.
When this happened, we were having recurrent sim training twice a year, with Lufthansa in Frankfurt. Their sim was state of the art for 727s, and in one session they wanted to reproduce this crash, to see if we can survive. All part of training....
They had all the details, and had entered them in their computers, so it was pretty much accurate.
The take off EPR was the "reduced" option of #1 1.88, #2 1.90 (due to the S duct), #3 1.88 . Normal (max) EPR was almost always 2.00, 2.02, 2.00.
They took off with the reduced thrust, which we used very often for better engine life when this happened.
Ok, on the first run , no matter what we did , lower the nose, then rise again step by step etc, We crushed! There was simply no altitude available. It was shocking, we were shocked , we "lived" the death. The German instructors did it on purpose ,in order to prove something!.... When you are dying ,you should think out of the box, survival should kick in..... meaning....
On the second run, after we had encountered the wind shear, the deal was to *slam the throttles to firewall*, don't care for exceeding limits, burn all 3 engines if we had too...
We did it, and this time we survived!, the engines on a real plane would have needed to be replaced, but there would be no crash.!
Lesson learned, simple things and measures can save life...
PS. That night after the sim , drinking beers in our hotel bar, the repeated saying was " man we died tonight"....we really lived the agony....
I FLY TOO Engine failure- Check Essential! Lol
Thanks for this, very insightful!
Wow. What an insight. I love reading first-hand comments like this. Thank you for sharing!
Absolutely loved your comment.
-Good stuff!
This was amazing to read, thanks for sharing!
Wow, this is great video, and then to see my footage used to help your re-telling of the incident come alive!
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Yes teach him to do it. Videos of random planes landing adds nothing. And you are changing direction enough to make viewer dizzy. Practice, you guys! This is awful.
@@christinestill5002 Please elaborate. Your comment is unclear.
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@One Two absolutely!
I was 10 and my dad was a emergency responder and I was with him at his regular job bc of summer and he got called to go help and he brought me to close by and while waiting for my grandmother to pick me up I got scared and walked right into the crash site. I was traumatized & have been afraid to fly ever since. My mother never got over that my dad even brought me even near it.
Thanks for the vid, I didn't know about this one. The graphics just keep getting better, keep it up!
Once upon a time in a galaxy far far way (ok, Renton WA) I got the chance to fly a 737-200 simulator (fixed cab, not an M-Cab) in an "unsurvivable" windshear incident. It was considered at one time unsurvivable because pilots didn't have the training back then. We were told that the INSTANT the windshear alarm sounded to firewall the engines and pull back to stick shaker and "ride the shaker". Most of us visitors were able to survive it because against all our instincts we did what we were told! Afterward we were told that the data for the simulation happened in real life. The reason we never heard about it was because the pilot had done what we were told to do and no-one got hurt. Turns out old military pilots know a thing or two. Oh, and crashing a simulator, even fixed cab, is terrifying.
We'd all be blessed to have the wwll and other war pilots, they flew in the worst conditions with planes damaged and everything. Recall the story of the veteran who floated coasted a giant jet down on the wind only no engines and landed that jet. But 759 had different circumstances. I miss my dear friend who was a stewardess on 759.She had so much to do and so much joy to spread.
Military Pilots aren't just trained to "nance about with a plane that needs its silk cushion and passenger comforts"... They're trained to "Claw and dig, bite and kick, and FIGHT FOR YOUR GOD DAMN LIFE, NO MATTER THE COST. IT'S DO OR DIE TIME!!!"
SO what the "old military birds" know is how NOT to roll over and die. You dig. You do whatever you think it takes. You jam the gear boxes, ram the throttles out the nose of the plane, yank that stick or yoke or wheel, kick the f**king pedals... If it seems like the right thing to do, DO IT. You don't give up. You are NOT gentle on the controls when your life and the lives of everyone else on that plane DEPEND ON YOU. You fight to the very last syllable of the very last breath you can muster... AND you do it like you "god damn got a set"!
AND damn the comfort! Nobody's going to give a sh*t if the whole passenger cabin is covered and lined in puke and tears. If you bring their families back in one piece, they'll buy you a case of beer and shake your hand, and be DAMN PROUD to do so.
That's just how it is in the military. It's always about "Do or DIE time". ;o)
I was on my way home in Metairie, a New Orleans suburb when the first reports of this plane crash were coming on the radio. I had a clear view of the sky over the airport from the top of an overpass. The thunder storm that PanAm 759 took off into was one of darkest nastiest looking storms that I have ever seen. This was pre Doppler radar, but a simple eye test should have tipped somebody off to the danger and the likelihood that there would be down drafts that could threaten any aircraft taking off into that monster.
This sure brings back memories of when I turned on the news and I was expecting my roommate dear friend that evening, she was on flight 759. It was unbelievable to me.
Thanks, good explanation of what happened. I knew 2 children who unfortunately died on the Delta flight in Dallas, and briefly met a woman who survived that flight, her seat was in the tail section.
Note to self:never buy a house near an airport,a dam nuclear reactor or chicago.
Especially Chicago lol
Chicago went detroit lol
Well, nuclear reactors are safe, but damn, stay away from chicago
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Thank you! Your hard work shows. We appreciate you!
I have come to discover this channel only in the last week or so and I am hooked ! Such a lucid commentary. Absolutely fascinated by how you make such a complex topic seem so simple. Keep it up !
I was once at Dulles on a plane about to take off. While we were taxiing, the captain told us there would be an unexpected delay. After about 10 minutes of sitting on the taxiway, the sky went black and the most intense storm passed over the airport. I think we sat there for about 40 minutes until it had passed and everything was normal again, when we took off. To me it was simply common sense, but I guess that doesn't happen on every occasion.
I discovered this channel recently and watched almost all the videos, great job
This type of footage took your videos to the next level. You’re gonna blow up in popularity for sure. I really enjoyed your content before but I think videos like this will gain more attraction to your channel. The narration is somewhat unique vs other air disaster channels I watch. I like both styles depending on my mood. Congrats brother!
Thank you that means a lot
Thanks that means a lot!
I have been looking for information on this crash for quite some time. Thank you. I am so glad I found you. Your information is so concise. I have subscribed and I’m now liking each video as I watch it. I don’t fly, but I do have an interest in aviation. Please keep the great videos coming!
I too am looking for more I for on this flight 759
I swear, every time someone says "New Or-LEANS," we get a new pothole
I also remember my dad telling me about this crash when I was a kid. He was a pilot back around this time, and we had happened to drive by the airport
Thanks for making these videos man! Very informative and interesting! :) +1
Another fascinating story, well-researched and very well told. Thanks.
I liked this video much better than the actuaal videos you have been using as it gave me a reminder of what this type of plane looked like. Thanks
Wonderful videos; I’ve enjoyed them over and over.
Great work as usual
Fantastic video. This level of review is incredible. Imagine trying to do this twenty years ago. !:- )
Please do taca 110. I am just begging one of the youtubers to do it because it's a story that should be told and I feel its underrated.
I love your videos, I am addicted to your chanel now :)
I love airplanes and this channel is great!
Rain was an understatement. Squalls more like it. I heard the 1st call come out over Jefferson Parish S.O. dispatch.
Wherever you are recording, you may want to drape some blankets on the walls, to remove the reverb. Your audio will sound better. Also, if you have a concrete floor, put something down on that... I really enjoy your work. Please keep it up.
The real problem is simply that the volume level is *_way_* too low. I've got it cranked up to the max on my smartphone and I can still barely hear it. And the signal-to-noise ratio is poor as well, as a result of the super-low volume. ☹
Weather here in New Orleans can have you in one of the most torrential downpours you can imagine while the sun is blinding you and you need sunshades.
Great job
I remember that day. I lived in Memphis Tennessee and our weather was questionable at best. Thanks Eugene Weaver
I remember this accident on the news, and reading about it later, in the "Aftermath" column in Flying magazine. I was so into that issue, that my legs went to sleep, while reading on the "Throne!"
Thank you for your comment do you still have the flying mag and the article on 759?
Good job!
I wish there was a reenactment of the flight in the background, but keep up the good work!
Did you do the simulation at KMSP? That’s my home airport and it looks soooo much like it. amazing video!!
Damn you Mother Nature 😥 I hadn’t heard of this one how sad it took the Delta accident after this to force action on wind shear and microbursts
Great video loved the footage too
Enjoying your content since it popped up in my recommendations the other day - this is the first really recent video of yours that I've seen, and you are definitely starting to sound more comfortable speaking; keep it up! (I make my living using my voice, it's not easy)
You mentioned TACA 110 in this video, and I'd already starting making this comment to say that you should make a video about that incident! It's up there with Sully or the Delta L1011 for airmanship - and the captain was already flying with one eye after being shot while taking off in a fighter during a war!
hey rob thanks for the positive feed back and yeah i agree it took a bit of trial and error to find out what works and what doesn't work voice wise.
Yeah i plan on doing an episode on TACA 110 but not any time soon as i have so many lesser known accidents to get to first :)
146. 1 of the passengers. Margaret Aguda Eymard was 7 months pregnant with her and her husband Ted's second son, 4th child. Their 3 other kids Ted Jr, Natalie and Tennille were raised by their paternal Grandmother. They only received around $800,000 total.
Well done, MACI :)
Nice videos mate, can you do the LOT 5055 il62 crash as a future video??
Really good !!!
No survivors were found, until a firefighter heard a baby crying in a burned-out house. A piece of drywall had covered her crib, and saved her life. Her mother and sister died; her father was at work. She’s grown, married, and has children of her own now.
I did not know that. Sad to hear about her family tho
Mini Air Crash Investigation www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2692399/Miracle-baby-Pan-Am-Flight-759-survived-jetliner-crashed-house-1982-speaks-tragedys-32nd-anniversary.html
5Rounds Rapid She’s now a grown woman w/a Bachelor’s & MBA degree, & a proud Mom of a girl named after her Mom who was killed on the ground.
I was @ ROTC Advanced Camp @ Ft. Riley, KS when this happened. While in Korea w/the Army, I took leave in Hong Kong & other places. While waiting for my plane to depart from HK, I observed departing aircraft vanish into a rainstorm on the far end of the Kai Tak runway.. A little unsettling to say the least.
I left 30 minutes earlier on another flight. I was supposed to be on this flight, but changed my flight the night before due to a dream I had.
Loving your work buddy. Your pacing is really improving. I think your first investment should be a quality mix with pop screen to help give you that “pro you tuber” feel.
The recent release of the new flight sim might be a good source of footage as well.
Did you mean "quality mic"? 🎤 If you did, I agree with you.
I appreciate the uploader's efforts and all the work he puts into his videos, but the poor sound quality and low volume level undermines those efforts.
Microbursts weren't even fully understood until Delta 191 at DFW, so it's not like the industry ignored the threat...
First of all, I love your videos you impress with great research and a comprehensive presentation, the FS footage really adds to it as well.
The only point of criticism I have is the audio it sounds a litte shallow, and I think your audio would improve greatly with some acoustic foam and maybe a better microphone (something like a snowball or similar)
Anyway keep up the good work, I wish you all the best
Thanks for the feedback!
1:38 I appreciate the detail you put into the flight sim... but why is there an Alitalia md80 next to the dc10 lol
I flew at the airlines when the bulk of the wind shear studied began finally filtering out to pilots. I believe the wind shear systems installed on aircraft and on the ground have stoped many many of these accidents from occurring again. In all my years as a pilot, 1987-2008, I only experienced 1 engine failure, 1-flap failure (failed to extend in unison and system auto stopped the flaps from extending) and 1 passenger death onboard. But I experienced some very, very strong wind shear during approach to landing and departure. In one instance during the increasing performance portion of the shear we ended up with engines at idle with a 1000 ft per minute rate of climb. We were at the outer marker and discontinued the approach. We the were ready for the downward momentum and decreasing portion of the microburst and had brought power back up but still felt one of the most unusual sensation of the aircraft not wanting to respond to the normal commands of climbing and accelerating. It would remind you of hitting 10” of clay mud in a vehicle, you hit the gas pedal and even though your engine and transmission kick into high power, you continue to decelerate and you begin to wonder if you’ll make it through.
In that instance, we reported the shear we experienced, declared a go around and the airport closed the runway as it had simultaneously received a very strong indication of a microburst and severe shear.
Several years later, we experienced another rapidly developing microburst going into COS. This one approach controlled warned us of the potential and the tower called the wind shear. We leveled off and began the climb for the missed approach. Again we experienced significant increasing performance followed by a downdraft and then a 30+ knot drop in airspeed. What made this significant was the altitude and pressure altitude of COS. I can’t help but wonder had we not had the benefit of Doppler radar, the aircraft wind shear detection system and the training developed after crashes like this.... well it makes one think about what might have happened.
I was working this day, and one of our crews was offered a runway 10 departure. He didn't like how it looked to the east, and declined the ATC clearance. PA759 was right behind him, took ATC's offer, and taxied past our guy and took off. Our guy was later interviewed by the NTSB. Shortly after this accident, I had the opportunity to meet Dr. Ted Fujita at a safety symposium, and the media was all over the event since he was an expert on microburst research.
Dr. Fujita was also present at another 727 crash before PA759; that of Eastern Airlines Flight 66, the 1st known case of a microburst causing a plane crash.
This is another incident along with AF 90 which happened 6 months earlier where post-PATCO ATC was a big contributing factor
I listen to these incidents with interest. Many of them have not been covered by anyone else. I do say "listen", because the video component is not necessarily relevant to the report, but I appreciate the effort. A video re-creation of air crashes requires some expensive software!
Slidell, La! My home state, and you pronounced it correctly
1:26 Flight Sim jetway.exe has stopped working
I like the channel, is there any way to give us forensical video instead of Microsoft sim?
There was another windshear related crash before Delta 191. Eastern flight 66 a 727 crashed into approach lights as it neared JFK June 24,1975
To a pilot, altitude is life. It's hard to go against the instinct to gain altitude while very low to the ground, but speed was what was needed to keep flying when the tailwind started. The CVR transcript of the Delta crash at DFW indicates that the pilot in command had some idea that they were entering a microburst based on the coaching he gave the F/O flying. Neither pilot reacted in time to save that flight. Not that they had the time to gain airspeed _after_ recognizing the conditions.
The captain even asked the Co pilot to take off with some extra speed and they turned off the ac packs. The captain decided to err on the side of caution, but it wasn't enough
The Captain knew that there was weather coming through the area based on the reports of the other planes. I think it would have been more prudent to wait out the weather; they do that routinely with thunderstorms.
BTW I like this one because you stayed with one video rather than various videos of airplanes which have nothing to do with your story. I would just as soon see a map of the airport where the incident occurred and some pictures of the accident at the end.
2:34 back then due to engine configuration planes could reverse themselves. Nice.
I hadn't noticed that! you're right! What changed?
I was not aware rain could inhibit the motion of an aircraft to that extent...?! Flame out an engine, OK. But to influence the lift of an aircraft?
Whoops this one went up a few hours late! Dang internet.
Ps can someone teach me to say "Multiple" :)
i can help with that, but have an incident and rescue story from iceland you may want to look into
On 14 September 1950, a Loftleiðir Douglas C-54 Skymaster (registered TF-RVC, named Geysir) crashed into the Vatnajökull glacier. Six crew members were on this cargo flight from Luxembourg to Reykjavík (the first service for the airline on that route). All occupants survived, but were not found until 18 September, as the crash site was unknown and search efforts focused elsewhere. The occupants were not rescued until 20 September, due to the difficulty of reaching the location on the glacier
there is not much information in english, but i can help with that if needed.
like your quick docs, much more informative than the big 40 min docs about stuff that didnt really matter for the incident.
When did u say it ? 😎 I didn’t hear it lol
Btw you narrate and explain extremely well especially with some tongue twisting technical words - you do great 👍🏻
Your pronunciation of “multiple” was fine. “mul-tip-ul” with the emphasis on the first syllable.
Well... we forgive you. But just this one time!
Wow. Didn't know 727s had a reverse gear.
Can you please turn up the volume of the audio..all of your videos are very hard to hear on my old phone
how well the pictures match the text
Rapid wind direction changes, sudden downdrafts and crazy gusts are really scary when landing. You can end up with some serious skid marks in your boxer shorts. I have had some nasty experiences, our aerodrome is famed for this kind of stuff. We land faster and steeper than anywhere else just for some extra margin.
I barely remember a situation where a passenger jet for some reason started a dive from 33000 feet. Everyone thought they were done. But somehow at the last minute the pilots were able to pull out of the dive and all were safe.
I can't remember more than that which is why I thought I'd mention it. Would really like you to do a video on it.
China airlines flight 006?
Que emosion al ver al 727 con los colores de PAN AM
8:46 what is that weird vertical white oval?
727...my favorite
2:02 damn, i used to do this to my car for better pick-up. Dinky 1.6 liter mitsu with barely 100hp.
N i quote capt picard: “divert all power from life support to main thrusters and engage”
What’s up with the US Airways livery?
Love your videos. It's like an episode of Mayday without all the recaps and padding after every commercial break lol
Tip for your audio: it sounds like your recording level is too high. Set the input level so that the meter never reaches within 10% of max. That's when you get clipping, and there's not a lot you can do about clipping once it's recorded. In Audacity or whatever video software you use, apply a compressor (twiddle with the settings til it's where it needs to be, a quick search on vocal compression should get your there) and then boost the level a bit. DISCLAIMER: not an expert but that's what I would do.
Too high??? If anything, it's way too LOW! I can barely hear it!
I don't hear any clipping. What I DO hear is a relatively high amount of background noise, which is the result of recording at too low of a level, resulting in a poor signal-to-noise ratio.
He needs a better mic and needs to record at a much higher level. (Though perhaps the former will obviate the latter.)
@@Milesco I was referring more to the input gain than the overall level. This is really old thought, like when he was at 7k subs lol.
@@jordanzish Yeah, hopefully he's bought a new mic since then. I think he may have acknowledged the sound issues in the comments to one or more of his videos; I'm not sure. I'll hafta check out one of his newer videos to see (or rather, _hear_ 😉) if he has fixed the problem.
Are the newest midsized planes more powerful to climb out of this situation, they seem to hover nowadays
Don't forget the ground effect. I may be wrong though.
Isn't this the same thing that happened at the DFW airport?
Very interesting and informative. It would have added immensely to the quality and enjoyability of this video if the animation had matched the descriptions. I realize that is hard to accomplish and expensive to produce. Maybe in the future. Still liked it.
It would matter immensely if people would just bother to read the disclaimer.
somebody should try it in a simulator pitch for level flight and max power, see if you can survive that way. Sounds like he tried to pitch up and simply stalled out.
Another flying coffin, There have been 118 fatal incidents involving the Boeing 727. Until the last one in September 1984, 1,832 have been built.
2:33 Wait! How did they back out like that???
Reverse thrusters.
Does the design of this plane is the reason of the many accidents!? And usually at take offs!!!
I think that pilots should be trained more on weather aspects like different types of wind, rain and snow
Haven't seen the end yet but NOFLAPS!??.
I really enjoy these videos. I just wish they would be dumbed down a bit because I have no idea what the majority of what’s being discussed. Plane took off, hit a microburst then crashed is about it for me.
I swore to never rode a 727 again. But by god there I was. As it was the 70s, I flicked my still burning Winston onto the Tarmac. My medallions were loud and uncomfortable under my coat, my sideburns were itchy as hell too; signs things are not where they should be.
But I ignored all of this.
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Can you do videos on the 9/11 flights?
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I had a family member on this flight
Nice videos but I don’t think Miami has that onezero runway
No excuses! These microbursts aren't anything new to the aviation community; in fact, to be exact, the-then era of this tragedy, definitely included!!
I can't believe they'd risk taking off after STILL receiving admonishment from the inherent danger the report availed
I would have liked to fly on Pan Am
Flew on Pan Am in the 60's. I was pretty young but I remember real China cups and plates and real silverware. My folks were dressed up as were all the other passengers. I had to wear a tie! On one flight I got to visit the cockpit, although I didn't get a model aircraft. It was a more genteel time in air travel.
I wouldn't buy a home in Kenner for all the tea in Mexico.
Rather low mic volume
Also known as a microburst just like Delta 191 Aug 2 1985
Poggers
Taca injested too much hail that flight caused them to change engine construction
The original spinner design on the CFM56 engines were rather pointy, like > which had the effect of allowing too much rain/hail into the engine's core. One of the things that came out of the Taca incident was a redesign of the the engine spinner into a more blunt shape, like ), do as to divery more rain/hail into the bypass airflow. There were also some electrical wiring changes inside the engines..
your voice is a little low on this video otherwise great video
3:59 2.09
Should have waited
Wait a 727 can pushback by its self?
Daledat-roblox Rivet counter
Actually, the 727 can indeed back up.........of course you'll need all 3 thrust reversers engaged and a lot of throttle but it will back up on its own. So will a DC-9.
But in a way, you are correct, if the plane were to back up out of the gate, the force of the reverse thrust would very likely destroy at least part of the jetway along with other stuff...........
Headwinds don't affect airspeed. That's nonsense. It only affects ground speed.
Landrew0: If the loss of headwind is abrupt enough the airspeed can diminish.
The footage isnt synchronized with ur talking.
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Do you always have to show a PAN AM plane crashing. There still is a PAN AM although in different format. It's the worldwide PAN AM INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT ACADEMY which trains all aspects...including pilots, F.A. and all others. Maybe one day return again. With billionaire donor.
Unfortunately I worked for the current owner of Pan Am. After failing to make an airline that could last, he went back to playing with trains. The old Boston Maine railway has become Pan Am railways, and the classic meatball is on engines and cars, Juan Trippe would roll in his grave...