Nice video. Quick remark: The hunter piece resets all cooldowns of Aimed Shot, Multishot and Arcane Shot (3 min cd) and its not a neck piece but a trinket.
This is the kind of long form content I’m in for. Unique perspectives on a lot of topics I wasn’t exposed to before. References to other content creators that can be helpful. Lots of anecdotes too. Thanks for this man. Was a pleasure to listen to.
Issue with diamond flask is that the healing only gets good if you pop it with your healing gear, say 200+ heal gear, but if you get in combat while wearing the healing gear you are stuck with cloth gear with 0 stats and you will die. It is good for duels tho as you can pop it all right before the duel starts, or before the boss pull etc in pve.
Yeah... that's what I didn't mention Dimond Flask Healing in World PvP. Still... its more of an Inisiation thing. Aka if you are the one jumping a fool vs the other way around. Dimond Flask CAN be used in one 100%... in the other you will have to drop combat Which can be difficult but not impossible.
yo pally! I think I'm very bad at the game cause I didn't ever seen that somebody talking that Paladin is the strongest pvp class. Also I have no clue how paladin can defeat SL lock, can you explain it? I mean I remember when I watched pvp tournaments, pallies are always suck, so it's a very interesting topic, I think.
Need to set an expectation baseline for this stuff, duels (and race prio) differ vastly depending on what you're talking about. If you're talking full preparation play everyone is spamming Magic Dust on CD and Undead is basically the only race worth talking about for classes that can play it. That never happens regularly on actual servers but what is "allowed" / the stakes (dueling tourney with a cash prize / specific rules) changes a ton. Things like Flasking Premades do occasionally pop up in classic.
99.9% of duals fallow CDL Rules... and if a Hodre player wants to DUST to kill you... then its more his loss then yours because Dust for Horde is VERY expensive. I find when I get dusted my enemies still lose 50/50 which I find HILARIOUS. Flasking Premades = Lose Fast = Best Honor / Rep.
@@pallytime2156 I read the CDL rules just now and it doesn't say dust is banned... meanwhile it says things like Thistle Tea, Book of the Dead / Cornerstone Grimoire, Tidal Charm, Flash bomb are. Even healthstone for warlocks
@@pallytime2156 Not the point. People absolutely use things banned in CDL regularly, and expecting the 'standards' (CDL absolutely isn't it) to not change is silly. You yourself mentioned things like tidal and skele books multiple times in this vid. ie: Rogue with Opener vs Dwarf Rogue you're just going to use Rocket Helm to kill them and never blind. Stoneform wont save you. Orc can. Flash bomb is outrageously cheap and disgustingly broken, people are going to use it depending on the stakes/environment (they get thrown at me ALL the time on my fc druid).
@@HideInYellow Nothing I mentioned is Banned in CDL rules and in standard duel rules. Real PvP is different. In Real PvP who wins what matchups changes slightly... but not as much as you would think. It effects classes that don't have anti-CC ability. So like Rogues can't get out of stuns other then LIVING-Action Potion. Paladin rarely cases. They have Bubble, Free Action Pots, insane Survivability. VS Rocket Helm paladin can just BoP out of it. Never tired it but odds are you can LiP out of Rocket Helm if I can BoP out of it. You can't just COUNTER though... you have to LiP / Living Action and then BLIND or Sleep or Stun... or you just going to get tagged with something else. Skelly Pet is BiS on Paladin because you can Cast Blessing of Sac on it which causes CC issues for enemy. Welcome to Classic PvP. Its Deep and Crazy. Duel Rules what like this... 1. Start Fight with No Food Buffs, Consumes, No Oils, No Potions... just your basic Kit and Whipper Root Tubers / Dragon Fruit 2. IF enemy starts Potting = You can Pot... if Enemy starts using Consumes like Dust then you can use Dust. Just do as they do. Other fun Facts... SLEEP DUST... HATES Nature Resist. I think it uses SHEEP Resist Rules and SHEEP HATES Arcane Resist. Way it works is this... say target has 80 Resist = 20% Resist at level 60. When you get sheeped or Dusted Spell has a 20% chance to FAIL when cast... when it succeeds it works for 6-10s (6 for dust and 10 for sheep I think) and then "heat beat" ticks start happening every 2s. So at 10s = 20% chance you break out... then another 20% at 12s... and so on. ITs either every 2s or 1s... but DAMN do you pop out FAST with some resists. At 120 Arcane Resist Mage Sheep lasts 14-16s. Its worse with dust because break ticks start at 6s. All that to say... there are trinkets that can give you LOTS of NS for a time. The AQ 100 to all resists for 1m comes to mind. But the lowly +50 all Resists Magic Potion is a bit chadded there as well. As a Paladin I go for Arcane Resist over NS sense I have issues with Mages. But as a DRUID I can see going NS if Sleep Dust is bothering you that much.
what class would you recommend for somebody that is playing for ranked gear (maybe rank 10-12)? I'd like to raid but I am not expecting to get loot over players that have been playing far longer than I have.
Druid gets there Tier sets SUPER easy do to being very rarely played and only 1 of them per Raid. Its a healing set though so you need Rank 13 to make it work. TLDR here is that any class that doesn't need raid gear = Needs Rank 13. Priest is also really good to play with rank 13. Paladin is rather easy to gear with Rank 13 gear.
In Classic? Depends how good your team is really. If they are your average pug then yeah... impossible. If they are REALLIZE the litteral OCEAN of CC they are swiming in... then no... not that hard. The big issue healers have in Classic WoW BG's is going OOM. It takes you 40s of drinking to recover your mana to full and the respawn GY timer is 30s. If you have lots of healers... what happens is that your team cannot lose any given fight... but they take noticably longer to kill all the targets so you can drink. This is partly where expirance comes in. Me = Rez... 16s Freedom... Mount... and jam my paladin down the horde ranks to get to the drinkers in the backline to interupt them. Die 15s Later... Rez 5s later... do it again. An experianced team / players will just use the GY timer to ware down the enemy mana bars because they cannot kill faster enough. All that said... none of this means healers are BAD. Infact Healer/DPS hybrids are very very good in BG's if they know when to heal and when to kill quickly. 2-3 Healers is Meta in WSG I think for example. 4 Would be excessive.
@@pallytime2156 Sure 4 would be excessive but I'd still rather have 4 than 0. When I heal I make sure to get stacks on stacks of Mage waters so I can drink walk. The whole mana problem and class balance/gear being limited is why I liked SoD much better. It wasn't perfect but it was better than plain Vanilla imo. Level up raids were cool too. I really like the runes because you could make a hybrid build in a way you never could before. Frost/Fire hybrid Mage is really good in SoD pvp. But I main a Druid. I'm one of those annoying wall jumping FC's and I do it as Resto. Horde. I just wish I had a damn magic dispel. And I wish they added RBGs & Arenas. Yes this was kind of a random rant. I do like your content even though I never play Pallys lol. I liked your take on Resto sham being the best leveling spec for HC!
@@Az00069 Ahh... Don't drink walk... drink RUN. To a test for me... run your char in a straight line... and when you are supose to sit/drink for the tick... just click drink 2-3 times. You will get the tick and dont' even have to stop running. In for a penny in for a pound I say. For the record here... When I think of BG's I think of Pugs with the occasional premade where it is best just to lose fast. When I think of REALLY good Players...not even Premade players but like ERA Sever BG's... I think Tidal Charm, Goblin Mortar, Mug-O-Hurt for 10s slows on druids they can't shift out of... MIND CONTROL CAPS and Rocket Helms. Grenades Galor. Basically players that will go "damn there are a lot of healers" and swap trinkets and gear to compensate. 2 Healers Protecting Priest... Horde Runs up and MC caps both of them instantly and kills FC. You can't even CLEANSE or BoP or Dispell it because target counts as some Untargetable NPC. I just bubble it and think to self "Jesus... maybe Paladin is the best healer in the game..." Its a shadow Spell too I think... so SR aura is good to help resist it.
No idea. You would have to ask the rogues. Most of them are either Undead or Human. Undead gives you amazing matchups vs things that can Fear like Priest. And Human is insane for PvE and Rogue vs Rogue its BiS. Gnome is likely Anti Mage mostly Orc is solid in general
Man please write your thoughts down to a organized manner you have very good info and i would love to watch you whole. If you can t just break the video into smaller parts like: rogue and warrior or meele caster etc.
I've been thinking about playing Holy/Reckoning, but never tried it before, and I keep hearing how much Reckoning has been nerfed (no sit-critting, losing stacks if you change targets, etc.) so I'm not sure. Is it still good?
I just want to play a tauren man. I find hunter boring and druid/shaman aren't my playstyle. Then i'm only left with the warriors full of zug zugs and there's be 5000 of us running around
Most likely nerfed. I tested it out on HC and can't get stacks in duels while sitting, so I'm pretty sure it won't be like old school classic. Still a great spec though and I advise to use it for great dmg on people, they never see it coming xD
I haven't ever raided much in vanilla, but from what I've heard, pallies are relegated to healers. If that's the case, how can i gear my pally for pvp and play a more fun spec? is it only when i'm allowed to roll for offset pieces that i can finally get them? Also are you planning on playing a tank in dungeons and healing in raid or what are you going to do?
you can pvp pretty well speced as a holy pally with T2 gear, the warriors want to be dual wield fury so its not hard to get a solid 2 hander, look up shockadin classic wow
Even t1 is not bad imo. It's plate, has a bunch of stamina and fire resistance and some +healing. So you can play pure holy or holy/reck in BGs and be quite good until BWL comes out
Why don't you just set a timer when you start recording and write down the timestamp when you move on to a new subject ? Like that you don't have to watch your video all over again fo them.
If you are a warlock and lose to a paladin you should uninstall the game. If you play anything other than destro in BGs you need to be kicked from the group. Also both destro and SM ruin will win most duels if you are good, you will probably lose to rogue but it's not unwinnable.
@@doctorprepper8106 Soul link sucks for BGs because you have low damage and the reason you want a lock is their burst to kill FC or nuke people in AB. Soul Link is only good for duels, solo wpvp but it is boring as fuck.
@alinn.4341 rogue beats lock almost 80-20. The only way the rogue loses if he has 2 stuns resist or isn't well geared enough to kill him B4 he can't stun lock anymore. If the lock ever gets to cast deathcoil, it's over, but a rogue who knows how to properly stun lock should be able to kill him B4 he is even able to act. For paladin, I have less experience in that admittedly but I believe the general wisdom is that it's mostly 50 / 50 if played optimally. Both will really struggle to kill each other and will generally have to win the battle of attrition.
@@memeconnoisseur3002 Tipsout had a "Deep Dive" on Rogue with Perplexity. In there it he goes into quite a bit of detail why Lock and Paladin are SOOOO hard to beet for rogue. Specifically it is Soul Link Warlock with there x2 Void Walkers... and Reckoning Paladins. The other Paladins "at best" can just "survive" a rogue... where as Reckoning will just stun you and blow you up. Nothing you can do about it. Dwarf Paladin can also use there Ractial to get out of Blind making an already 1 sided matchup truely impossible. Another video that is shorter would be "Holysaxyboy vs Payo"
There’s a reason you don’t see this guy or any paladins in the high elo dueling tournaments. If they are they don’t go far. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about lmao
Do Feral druids get better with TBC? I found dueling engineer rogues and s.priests to be tough for alliance druid, tho I never got rank 13 gear or engineering as a druid. I havent played since 2019 or 2020. Whatever it was 5 months after AV first ever was released and Alliance started to lose 1,000 BGs. Making 3/4th of pvpers quit the game forever. blizz devs are morons, they should have fixed the faction balance of AV before 2018. I use try everythingggb to win as alliance AV, even getting the Ram riders out multiple times which didnt help and the other big loot guy quest. One time my raid best the horde faction mid field three freaken times over! And we still saw horde 4th wave overflow from bloody GY mid. The chokepoint for horde is 10 feet mid field, a road. The chokepoint for alliance was no barrier and 200 feet. I started druid, then made a alliance mage to spam blizzard and that didnt help enough either. Quit and went to go play Planetside 2, where devs can balance pvp maps with 100vs100vs100 3 factions. Yet blizz with a million more funds cant fix one freaken bg map f them. Alliance was already getting thier tail kicked running to searing gorge pve raids or whatever the iron dwarf lvl 50!raid zone was called. Horde outnumbered alliance. Tbh horde act hardcore as pvpers, but they have no idea how tough it was for a hardcore alliance pvper for 2019, horde were playing on easy mode. Looking back, I should have gotten ny druid geared with engineering and gotten revenge on rogues, enlisted with AB premade. I think druid get better with TBC never tried. You didnt mention melee shaman lol is that as bad as feral druid? I watched alliance moral go from hyped to miserable low with bg afkers over months when classic bgs started. I could never play horde and gank alliance ever since. Seems like TBC the classes get more balanced, too bad I never really got into TBC endgame. Ive seen hunters in classic who got his ranked gear before others, lol he outtanked 10 guys trying to jump him in a tower. Affliction warlock sounds unique on paper, too bad the playstyle isnt super entertaining. I was the first to figure out you could blizzard a mob of horde in AV and type /lay or /sit whatever you can blizzard while looking dead on the ground. Luckily I lead alliance to my last AV win on my bear druid, was raid leader, and it was my bday.
@@doctorsoles He's just young... taught that calling inaimate objects "She" is de-humanizing to women. Doesn't pass logic test though. For example if I call a girl an "it" Rather then "She" in conversation... then THAT'S Dehumanizing. But if I call Inanimate Objects she... it humanizes the object... not dehumanized woman. In the first example we are Down-Grading the "Thing" in question. Saying that it is less then it is. In the second we are elevating. How my brain works on it anways. And I am to old to care otherwise.
My guy nobody is going to watch a 2 and a half hour video about a tier list when you don't even have a visual tier list on the screen, or any notes / summaries. Absolute warrior brain moment.
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Nice video. Quick remark: The hunter piece resets all cooldowns of Aimed Shot, Multishot and Arcane Shot (3 min cd) and its not a neck piece but a trinket.
This is the kind of long form content I’m in for. Unique perspectives on a lot of topics I wasn’t exposed to before. References to other content creators that can be helpful. Lots of anecdotes too. Thanks for this man. Was a pleasure to listen to.
Perfect for some last minute class identity crisis 🥂 cheers
I played this on background while farming sand in Silthus. Perfect :) thanks for this very informative video.
Man if you spent the video length scripting and editing you could work up to 10s of thousands of views per upload in no time.
Lol nah thats not how youtube works my guy xd many like to listen longer videos and today yt is about manipulating your viewers then anything else
I agree. Even a rough outline/direction for a “script” would help so much. He has the potential!
Issue with diamond flask is that the healing only gets good if you pop it with your healing gear, say 200+ heal gear, but if you get in combat while wearing the healing gear you are stuck with cloth gear with 0 stats and you will die. It is good for duels tho as you can pop it all right before the duel starts, or before the boss pull etc in pve.
Yeah... that's what I didn't mention Dimond Flask Healing in World PvP.
Still... its more of an Inisiation thing. Aka if you are the one jumping a fool vs the other way around. Dimond Flask CAN be used in one 100%... in the other you will have to drop combat Which can be difficult but not impossible.
it last for 60 sec, snapshoting it before a fight is realy easy with addon + hotkey on gear.
You should check out Germanicus, he’s a feral druid PvP monster and it’s a master class in how the spec can be played against virtually all classes
He’s a terror. There have been gangs of us trying to catch him all around the city and he gets away with it
yo pally! I think I'm very bad at the game cause I didn't ever seen that somebody talking that Paladin is the strongest pvp class. Also I have no clue how paladin can defeat SL lock, can you explain it? I mean I remember when I watched pvp tournaments, pallies are always suck, so it's a very interesting topic, I think.
This is the second best video on the entire RUclips after 6h Franco-Prussian war vid
pretty sure that the hybrid druid doesnt come from soda but from Javel. She's been doing it since the first classic and even before
Paladin then Druid then Shadow Priest for me. Meme specs will rock in TBC
Need to set an expectation baseline for this stuff, duels (and race prio) differ vastly depending on what you're talking about. If you're talking full preparation play everyone is spamming Magic Dust on CD and Undead is basically the only race worth talking about for classes that can play it. That never happens regularly on actual servers but what is "allowed" / the stakes (dueling tourney with a cash prize / specific rules) changes a ton. Things like Flasking Premades do occasionally pop up in classic.
99.9% of duals fallow CDL Rules... and if a Hodre player wants to DUST to kill you... then its more his loss then yours because Dust for Horde is VERY expensive.
I find when I get dusted my enemies still lose 50/50 which I find HILARIOUS.
Flasking Premades = Lose Fast = Best Honor / Rep.
@@pallytime2156 I read the CDL rules just now and it doesn't say dust is banned... meanwhile it says things like Thistle Tea, Book of the Dead / Cornerstone Grimoire, Tidal Charm, Flash bomb are. Even healthstone for warlocks
@@HideInYellow Dont dust in duels... or do.... and waist 2-3 gold.
@@pallytime2156 Not the point. People absolutely use things banned in CDL regularly, and expecting the 'standards' (CDL absolutely isn't it) to not change is silly. You yourself mentioned things like tidal and skele books multiple times in this vid. ie: Rogue with Opener vs Dwarf Rogue you're just going to use Rocket Helm to kill them and never blind. Stoneform wont save you. Orc can.
Flash bomb is outrageously cheap and disgustingly broken, people are going to use it depending on the stakes/environment (they get thrown at me ALL the time on my fc druid).
@@HideInYellow Nothing I mentioned is Banned in CDL rules and in standard duel rules.
Real PvP is different. In Real PvP who wins what matchups changes slightly... but not as much as you would think.
It effects classes that don't have anti-CC ability. So like Rogues can't get out of stuns other then LIVING-Action Potion.
Paladin rarely cases. They have Bubble, Free Action Pots, insane Survivability.
VS Rocket Helm paladin can just BoP out of it. Never tired it but odds are you can LiP out of Rocket Helm if I can BoP out of it.
You can't just COUNTER though... you have to LiP / Living Action and then BLIND or Sleep or Stun... or you just going to get tagged with something else.
Skelly Pet is BiS on Paladin because you can Cast Blessing of Sac on it which causes CC issues for enemy.
Welcome to Classic PvP. Its Deep and Crazy.
Duel Rules what like this...
1. Start Fight with No Food Buffs, Consumes, No Oils, No Potions... just your basic Kit and Whipper Root Tubers / Dragon Fruit
2. IF enemy starts Potting = You can Pot... if Enemy starts using Consumes like Dust then you can use Dust.
Just do as they do.
Other fun Facts... SLEEP DUST... HATES Nature Resist.
I think it uses SHEEP Resist Rules and SHEEP HATES Arcane Resist.
Way it works is this... say target has 80 Resist = 20% Resist at level 60.
When you get sheeped or Dusted Spell has a 20% chance to FAIL when cast... when it succeeds it works for 6-10s (6 for dust and 10 for sheep I think) and then "heat beat" ticks start happening every 2s.
So at 10s = 20% chance you break out... then another 20% at 12s... and so on. ITs either every 2s or 1s... but DAMN do you pop out FAST with some resists.
At 120 Arcane Resist Mage Sheep lasts 14-16s. Its worse with dust because break ticks start at 6s.
All that to say... there are trinkets that can give you LOTS of NS for a time. The AQ 100 to all resists for 1m comes to mind.
But the lowly +50 all Resists Magic Potion is a bit chadded there as well.
As a Paladin I go for Arcane Resist over NS sense I have issues with Mages.
But as a DRUID I can see going NS if Sleep Dust is bothering you that much.
what class would you recommend for somebody that is playing for ranked gear (maybe rank 10-12)? I'd like to raid but I am not expecting to get loot over players that have been playing far longer than I have.
Druid gets there Tier sets SUPER easy do to being very rarely played and only 1 of them per Raid.
Its a healing set though so you need Rank 13 to make it work.
TLDR here is that any class that doesn't need raid gear = Needs Rank 13.
Priest is also really good to play with rank 13.
Paladin is rather easy to gear with Rank 13 gear.
7:09 You said that as if healers aren't the most OP thing in pvp?
Ever try to win a BG with no healers when the other team has 2-4 of them?
In Classic? Depends how good your team is really. If they are your average pug then yeah... impossible.
If they are REALLIZE the litteral OCEAN of CC they are swiming in... then no... not that hard.
The big issue healers have in Classic WoW BG's is going OOM.
It takes you 40s of drinking to recover your mana to full and the respawn GY timer is 30s.
If you have lots of healers... what happens is that your team cannot lose any given fight... but they take noticably longer to kill all the targets so you can drink.
This is partly where expirance comes in. Me = Rez... 16s Freedom... Mount... and jam my paladin down the horde ranks to get to the drinkers in the backline to interupt them.
Die 15s Later... Rez 5s later... do it again.
An experianced team / players will just use the GY timer to ware down the enemy mana bars because they cannot kill faster enough.
All that said... none of this means healers are BAD. Infact Healer/DPS hybrids are very very good in BG's if they know when to heal and when to kill quickly.
2-3 Healers is Meta in WSG I think for example. 4 Would be excessive.
@@pallytime2156 Sure 4 would be excessive but I'd still rather have 4 than 0.
When I heal I make sure to get stacks on stacks of Mage waters so I can drink walk.
The whole mana problem and class balance/gear being limited is why I liked SoD much better. It wasn't perfect but it was better than plain Vanilla imo. Level up raids were cool too.
I really like the runes because you could make a hybrid build in a way you never could before.
Frost/Fire hybrid Mage is really good in SoD pvp. But I main a Druid. I'm one of those annoying wall jumping FC's and I do it as Resto. Horde. I just wish I had a damn magic dispel. And I wish they added RBGs & Arenas.
Yes this was kind of a random rant. I do like your content even though I never play Pallys lol. I liked your take on Resto sham being the best leveling spec for HC!
@@Az00069 Ahh... Don't drink walk... drink RUN.
To a test for me... run your char in a straight line... and when you are supose to sit/drink for the tick... just click drink 2-3 times. You will get the tick and dont' even have to stop running.
In for a penny in for a pound I say.
For the record here...
When I think of BG's I think of Pugs with the occasional premade where it is best just to lose fast.
When I think of REALLY good Players...not even Premade players but like ERA Sever BG's...
I think Tidal Charm, Goblin Mortar, Mug-O-Hurt for 10s slows on druids they can't shift out of... MIND CONTROL CAPS and Rocket Helms. Grenades Galor.
Basically players that will go "damn there are a lot of healers" and swap trinkets and gear to compensate.
2 Healers Protecting Priest... Horde Runs up and MC caps both of them instantly and kills FC.
You can't even CLEANSE or BoP or Dispell it because target counts as some Untargetable NPC.
I just bubble it and think to self "Jesus... maybe Paladin is the best healer in the game..."
Its a shadow Spell too I think... so SR aura is good to help resist it.
Went Rogue on the first classic launch and I think I'll go Paladin this time around since you can dual spec as ret for solo/pvp and holy for groups
If it don't have "Reckoning" in the name... good luck with that.
Wait, isnt gnome bis for rogues as well? 1min root removal sounds good as a melee.
No idea. You would have to ask the rogues. Most of them are either Undead or Human.
Undead gives you amazing matchups vs things that can Fear like Priest.
And Human is insane for PvE and Rogue vs Rogue its BiS.
Gnome is likely Anti Mage mostly
Orc is solid in general
@ makes sense
Man please write your thoughts down to a organized manner you have very good info and i would love to watch you whole. If you can t just break the video into smaller parts like: rogue and warrior or meele caster etc.
really great video, thanks for doing this
I've been thinking about playing Holy/Reckoning, but never tried it before, and I keep hearing how much Reckoning has been nerfed (no sit-critting, losing stacks if you change targets, etc.) so I'm not sure. Is it still good?
Those who say it is nerfed are 100% incorrect. They just don't know how to use it. I'll make a vid.
Sounds good! I've never tried Holy/Reck either but wanting to give it a shot this time.@@pallytime2156
You could also make a podcast now that I think about it.
Search Pally Cast. But they are quite old. Nilly (paladin) should be loading a vid soon also.
I just want to play a tauren man. I find hunter boring and druid/shaman aren't my playstyle. Then i'm only left with the warriors full of zug zugs and there's be 5000 of us running around
Is reckoning going to be the normal reckoning or the nerfed version we had in 2019
Most likely nerfed. I tested it out on HC and can't get stacks in duels while sitting, so I'm pretty sure it won't be like old school classic. Still a great spec though and I advise to use it for great dmg on people, they never see it coming xD
When I hear "Nerfed" Version it makes me wonder if you know how it works.
Reckoning works fine. Just can't Sit-Crit is all.
I haven't ever raided much in vanilla, but from what I've heard, pallies are relegated to healers. If that's the case, how can i gear my pally for pvp and play a more fun spec? is it only when i'm allowed to roll for offset pieces that i can finally get them? Also are you planning on playing a tank in dungeons and healing in raid or what are you going to do?
you can pvp pretty well speced as a holy pally with T2 gear, the warriors want to be dual wield fury so its not hard to get a solid 2 hander, look up shockadin classic wow
Even t1 is not bad imo. It's plate, has a bunch of stamina and fire resistance and some +healing. So you can play pure holy or holy/reck in BGs and be quite good until BWL comes out
i mean mage can just take aggro on whatever mobs you tagged as warrior.
unironically solid content
Why don't you just set a timer when you start recording and write down the timestamp when you move on to a new subject ? Like that you don't have to watch your video all over again fo them.
It's 3am there? Well it's 4:45 here, altho I am not dodging wife aggro, unlike you, which is blissful rn
If you are a warlock and lose to a paladin you should uninstall the game. If you play anything other than destro in BGs you need to be kicked from the group. Also both destro and SM ruin will win most duels if you are good, you will probably lose to rogue but it's not unwinnable.
Why not soul link?
@@doctorprepper8106 Soul link sucks for BGs because you have low damage and the reason you want a lock is their burst to kill FC or nuke people in AB.
Soul Link is only good for duels, solo wpvp but it is boring as fuck.
Male orc = crab can't agree more than 100% so ill say 100%
moonfirebeam?
rogue not s tier??? who do they lose too besides mage?
Paladin?Warlock?
@alinn.4341 rogue beats lock almost 80-20. The only way the rogue loses if he has 2 stuns resist or isn't well geared enough to kill him B4 he can't stun lock anymore. If the lock ever gets to cast deathcoil, it's over, but a rogue who knows how to properly stun lock should be able to kill him B4 he is even able to act. For paladin, I have less experience in that admittedly but I believe the general wisdom is that it's mostly 50 / 50 if played optimally. Both will really struggle to kill each other and will generally have to win the battle of attrition.
Rogues only good to gank, in bg's (which is most of pvp) they pop out do stuff for 30 secs and then need tow ait for CD's.
@@memeconnoisseur3002 Tipsout had a "Deep Dive" on Rogue with Perplexity. In there it he goes into quite a bit of detail why Lock and Paladin are SOOOO hard to beet for rogue.
Specifically it is Soul Link Warlock with there x2 Void Walkers... and Reckoning Paladins.
The other Paladins "at best" can just "survive" a rogue... where as Reckoning will just stun you and blow you up.
Nothing you can do about it.
Dwarf Paladin can also use there Ractial to get out of Blind making an already 1 sided matchup truely impossible.
Another video that is shorter would be "Holysaxyboy vs Payo"
There’s a reason you don’t see this guy or any paladins in the high elo dueling tournaments. If they are they don’t go far. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about lmao
hunter uses 30/21 mm/surv.
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3am legend
Do Feral druids get better with TBC? I found dueling engineer rogues and s.priests to be tough for alliance druid, tho I never got rank 13 gear or engineering as a druid. I havent played since 2019 or 2020.
Whatever it was 5 months after AV first ever was released and Alliance started to lose 1,000 BGs. Making 3/4th of pvpers quit the game forever. blizz devs are morons, they should have fixed the faction balance of AV before 2018. I use try everythingggb to win as alliance AV, even getting the Ram riders out multiple times which didnt help and the other big loot guy quest. One time my raid best the horde faction mid field three freaken times over! And we still saw horde 4th wave overflow from bloody GY mid. The chokepoint for horde is 10 feet mid field, a road. The chokepoint for alliance was no barrier and 200 feet.
I started druid, then made a alliance mage to spam blizzard and that didnt help enough either. Quit and went to go play Planetside 2, where devs can balance pvp maps with 100vs100vs100 3 factions. Yet blizz with a million more funds cant fix one freaken bg map f them. Alliance was already getting thier tail kicked running to searing gorge pve raids or whatever the iron dwarf lvl 50!raid zone was called. Horde outnumbered alliance.
Tbh horde act hardcore as pvpers, but they have no idea how tough it was for a hardcore alliance pvper for 2019, horde were playing on easy mode. Looking back, I should have gotten ny druid geared with engineering and gotten revenge on rogues, enlisted with AB premade. I think druid get better with TBC never tried.
You didnt mention melee shaman lol is that as bad as feral druid?
I watched alliance moral go from hyped to miserable low with bg afkers over months when classic bgs started. I could never play horde and gank alliance ever since. Seems like TBC the classes get more balanced, too bad I never really got into TBC endgame.
Ive seen hunters in classic who got his ranked gear before others, lol he outtanked 10 guys trying to jump him in a tower.
Affliction warlock sounds unique on paper, too bad the playstyle isnt super entertaining.
I was the first to figure out you could blizzard a mob of horde in AV and type /lay or /sit whatever you can blizzard while looking dead on the ground.
Luckily I lead alliance to my last AV win on my bear druid, was raid leader, and it was my bday.
Feral in TBC is legit if I recall correctly. Like legit scary.
In classic WoW it so bad its never used.
1:19:57 lol
Go army beat navy :P
Why do you refer to items and classes as “she” ? Kinda weird
Ex-Navy... Ships are She, Your gun is a She, Everything you are about = She... things you don't care about = It.
I assure you, you are the only person who found that weird. Which in its own sense, is weird of you.
@@doctorsoles He's just young... taught that calling inaimate objects "She" is de-humanizing to women.
Doesn't pass logic test though.
For example if I call a girl an "it" Rather then "She" in conversation... then THAT'S Dehumanizing.
But if I call Inanimate Objects she... it humanizes the object... not dehumanized woman.
In the first example we are Down-Grading the "Thing" in question. Saying that it is less then it is.
In the second we are elevating.
How my brain works on it anways.
And I am to old to care otherwise.
no time stamps... yeah no thanks
My guy nobody is going to watch a 2 and a half hour video about a tier list when you don't even have a visual tier list on the screen, or any notes / summaries.
Absolute warrior brain moment.
1. Click Video
2. Find your Class
3. Listen to what he has to say
Total time watching = 20m
Paladin is super good at pvp. Until recently, im pretty sure the best pvper on era was a paladin. Warlock beat them tho. Nuance where it applies.
lol not at all
@scott96780 thanks for the constructive comment