Moronic priest talks about atheism on Fox News
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- This guy is simply laughable in his arguments. But what else to be expected on Fox News? Originally from One Good Move: onegoodmove.org...
The most obvious case in this is his first point: atheism in it's weakest sense does not say there is not a god. Atheism is simply the lack of theistic belief. An atheist is not primarily a person who believes that a god does ~not~ exist, rather ~does not~ believe in the existence of a god. It's that simple. Atheists always leave open the possibility there is this weird cosmic thing-a-ma-jig, we simply demand some evidence before believing in such. None has come forward that hasn't been thoroughly refuted.
Suffer your atheism? What does this even mean? Oh, the simple declaration that the world makes more sense if god exists. Maybe in terms of "It's easier to teach, therefore is true." But even this is pathetic -- just try to give a coherent explanation of the Trinity. Oh yeah, LOADS of sense from Christianity.
As for atheism being elitist, I'm actually for that. What's wrong with being elitist, if you are trying to encourage people to join the elite rather than being exclusive? I somehow doubt that is what the priest was trying to convey.
Next, if this guy is going to idiotically claim the eye is an example of evidence for a creator, he obvious has NOT read The God Delusion, nor really anything on the creation debate in 10 years. Some examples:
"The anatomy of the human eye, in fact, shows anything but "intelligence" in its design. It is built upside down and backwards, requiring photons of light to travel through the cornea, lens, aqueous fluid, blood vessels, ganglion cells, amacrine cells, horizontal cells, and bipolar cells before they reach the light-sensitive rods and cones that transduce the light signal into neural impulses-- which are then sent to the visual cortex at the back of the brain for processing into meaningful patterns.
-Michael Shermer, Why Darwin Matters: The Case Against Intelligent Design"
For more of this, see these videos: • The evolution of eyes -- • Video
And here: www.embl.org/ab... -- www.talkorigins...
"Geological reality?" Again, what does this mean? Geology is one of the major fields of study that fundamentally disprove the creationist world view. See here for such topics: www.talkorigins...
The birth of a child? A biological reality. There's a miracle in this? It surely is a terrific thing, but I seem to recall that if something is utterly common, it's not a miracle. Not to mention Christianity's own insane confusion between the sanctity of life, and their utter disgust and contempt at the mechanism of how that's brought about (sex). Yet more "sense" from religion: can't even tell you what's sacred and what is profane without getting very confused.
90% of people believe in god -- so what? Routinely, around 30-40% of the American population says they believe the earth is 6-10,000 years old. 48% reject evolution -- www.msnbc.msn.c...
41% of people think Iraq was linked to 9/11 (I wonder what the overlap is with Fox News viewers). Simply because something is popular does not make it true.
And if you think 90% of the US population being religious is reassuring, be afraid! The numbers are going down: www.edge.org/3r... -- scienceblogs.co...
A big reason why seems to be that each successive generation in America gets progressively more and more secular: thestoneoftear....
How do you get 90% of Americans to agree on religion? When you indoctrinate them from a young age, it's quite simple.
List of transitional fossils: www.talkorigins...
Fox News sues for the right to lie to you:
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If god made man in his own image, why aren't we all invisible?
+nomorereligion You cannot - or should not - expect to "see" God as "a being," whether a "flying spaghetti monster" or anything else that gives Him a physical nature. God is not "a being" but the very essence of being. Have you ever wondered why, of all the species on earth (perhaps in the entire universe) why only human beings have the ability for rational thought? Our souls reflect His image, not the our bodies. God bless you. .
+MLG xXx_gotagohrareSWEG_xXx What is your point? Your comment is irrelevant. Do you believe the universe came into existence "just because"? That all of this "just happened"? that "nothing" caused it all? And Dawkins and Hitchens say those who worship God - an intelligent, pre-existing, uncaused first cause - believe in fairy tales? I would submit they have it backwards. God bless you.
MLG xXx_gotagohrareSWEG_xXx your comment "You just think you know about everything because you read it in the bible" is gratuitous as well as incorrect. First - I do not think I cited any "facts" from the Bible in my posts about creation of the universe. Second - I read more than the just the Bible to learn the truth of creation. Science is not incompatible with religion. What I read beside the Bible, and what I observe, and question, and reason, all point to the existence and confirm my belief in God. And, that He is the very essence of being and creator of the universe and everything in it. To deny the existence and agency of an intelligent, transcendent, pre-existing uncaused first cause (i.e., God) denies the principle of sufficient reason itself.
MLG xXx_gotagohrareSWEG_xXx This is a PS to my previous and I regret not having added it before to counter some of the vitriole on this page. As to your and others' comments about the Bible, let me make this one point clear - the Bible is not written to convert non-believers. PLEASE do not try to criticize it as if it were. Like I have said repeatedly on this page, it is a LIBRARY not a single book, filled with MANY BOOKS of several different genres in a variety of literary styles to instruct the faithful in what has been revealed. It is neither a scientific treatise nor historical dissertation in and of itself. God bless you.
"How do we explain the complexity of the human eye?" Flying Spaghetti Monster. Slam and dunk.
Sekhubara a you real? how different is the complexity to a bone or muscle, do you even know how to make spaghetti? or do you think it grows on tree's
Mark Jones Is there a question or comment in your statement?
+James Pellitteri We can model an artificial device on what we study in the natural world, but where did the original come from? It certainly did not just happen. If you believe the universe, and everything in it, came into existence and operates according to rational principles, "just happened" out of nothing is the fairy tale, not the belief in an intelligent, pre-existing, transcendent, un-caused first cause, i.e., God.
Glenn Williams How can we know it was God and not the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Thor or Kali who created us? How is it that we humans can create a camera lens much more superiour than God's creation of the human eye?
Most importantly, doesn't modeling an artifical device from nature already answer the priest's original question?
+Sekhubara Without God's creation, on what would we base an attempt or even need to make an artificial substitute? And, you answered your own question - God created the original, which no human could have "developed" artificially without sufficient power to reason. Of all the creatures on earth, possibly the entire universe as far as we know, why do only human beings have the ability to reason and make sense of it all in order to even attempt fabricating a substitute based on that original? To deny the existence of an intelligent, pre-existing, transcendent uncaused first cause- God - is to deny the principle of sufficient reason itself. All those supposed deities you mentioned are beings of some sort, but God - the uncaused first cause - is not a being as we know it, but the very essence of being.
I find it hilarious that the exact points that they gave as evidence of god, are all the exact points that Richard Dawkins covers in his book.
I'm atheist, i was catholic until 13, and those years were the worst of my life, and now i'm 15, and i'm happy...
It's good to see you're thinking for yourself, keep it up. Cheers, Rob in Oz (Australia).
Rob, lost and late Thanks Rob, I'm from Italy by the way
Utopanic Onya mate (good on you mate)
Hazelnut used to be atheist until 15 worst 2 years of my life been having suicidal thoughts converted back to Christianity life is happier agian
@@QBon34 so you say we should choose the wrong thought that makes us happy over the thought that has been more proven to be right and makes you sad?
atheism is not a fad, nor a belief system to be militant about.
How do 90% of people come to agree on something? Why, the indoctrination of young children, of course. Notice, the first generations of children who did not do bible study in school have come of age, and we are finding that there is a turn from religion. Imagine that, when people are allowed to think for themselves, they do. I'm very skeptical of this 90% statistic, BTW.
1:28 "I'm not interested in confronting them"
Damn right, this guy knows his beliefs couldn't possibly hold up in an actual argument.
"Father" Jonathan needs to put down his Bible and pick up a science book. Evolution explains the intricacy of an eye. Other complexities are explained in detail, through chaos theory. Perhaps Father Jonathan would care to explain how God's spoken word manifests as the physical universe. Explain the mechanism for that. The only word that comes to mind is "magic". And that's because the sand crawlers who originally wrote the biblical texts didn't have a clue, so they made it up and couldn't fill in any details because they lacked imagination.
Atheists are postured as intellectuals because dozens of objective studies have shown that religiosity and intelligence have an inverse correlation. More religious people tend to be less intelligent, and more intelligent people tend to be less religious.
It is always the more intellectual practice to pursue a true understanding of natural mechanisms than to install an imaginary supernatural realm, and throw "Magic" at everything you don't understand.
I find it funny that the bible forbids magic, when it's obvious that Jesus had used some type of magic.
+Beastt17 Are you familiar with George Lemaitre? It would not surprise me if you do not. He, (not Edwin Hubel), is the astronomer, physicist, and mathematician responsible for the "hypothesis of the primeval atom" otherwise known as the "Big Bang" theory. Oh, by the way, he was also a Roman Catholic priest and a professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven. Religion and science are not incompatible.
"How Do We Understand The Complexity Of The Human Eye?"
Cut It Open And Study It Like We've BEEN Doing For YEARS?
even if eyes were 100 times more complex that would not prove god existences.
What is a preacher? A person who didnt finfsh school.
+Nexis497 "A preacher ... didn't finish school"? In its face, that is itself a "moronic" statement. This "moronic" priest, far from being one "who didn't finish school," has a BA in Business Administration and Classical Humanities, and advanced degrees in Philosophy and Theology, and post graduate degree in Moral Theology. I can't speak for other denominations, but the process of formation for the Roman Catholic priesthood includes college, graduate and post graduate education. Many priests also have bachelor and advanced degrees in other disciplines. The university system itself - as institutions of higher education with its tradition of intellectual freedom - grew out of the cathedral and monastery schools of the Roman Catholic Church during the Middle Ages.
+Nexis497 If a "preacher" is a "person who didn't finish school" then explain George Lemaitre. Oh, you don't know who he is. He (not Edwin Hubel) is the astronomer, physicist, and mathematician responsible for the "hypothesis of the primeval atom" otherwise known as the "Big Bang" theory. He was also a Roman Catholic priest and a professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.
I thought they were pedophiles
If our eyes are so complex, how come we can't see underwater without goggles?
***** They why don't our eyes detect motion as good as a raptor? Or see better in the night like cats? If we are the best designed, why are not we better designed?
***** Because it will be beneficial?
Is it weird I can see underwater without goggles then? If I strain my eyes, it's fairly easy.
that depends, is it blurry or as clear as when you wear goggles? and why would you need to strain them?
Lee Anderson Probably about the same vision of someone who has glasses not wearing them. Clear, but not too clear.
Then again, salt content and chlorine content in the water would matter. Extremely pure water would be different as opposed to tap water.
Lol, this idle youtube comment makes me want to experiment on this.
"Lets get a priest to talk about atheism instead of an actual atheist".....wut
dan of thunder you better drag him away from that young boy in the back room then
i love how they immediately write it off and dismiss it as a fad or "the latest craze"
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85% whiny salty atheist drop outs
15% educated religious people
This particular priest left the priesthood . He fell in love and is now married to a journalist who worked at Fox . He the ex priest also had a gig on Fox News. I am happy for him and he's wife or husband.
what i get from this is that they say God exists because our universe is so complex and and the chances of it's creation were so slim that it had to be planned for a higher being, and i say no, it hadn't, the complexity of the our world does not imply in any way that there is such a being, if there are thing we are yet to understand we should seek the truth trough knowledge.
"That whole miracle of pregnancy"
So wait, this woman hasn't had sex has she...
Indeed. I'm proud to live in Sweden who has already passed this number with a relieving and still rising 85%. I'm rooting for you guys!
Oh Father, the things that you don't see could fill a web server!
haha lmao i thought she was mocking the priest for a second XD
he's not in rome, he's in the studio
"The miracle of childbirth."
About half of babies in third world countries never see their 1st birthday. Some miracle. Thanks a lot, God!
I feel so fortunate to be an Atheist.
90% of Americans are so proud of themselves for worshiping a God whose never revealed itself.
Priest:Let's keep and hold scientists to their field but first let me talk about texting and driving.
No wonder he became a Priest, he sure as hell couldn't sell used cars.
Exactly! How can you "militantly" not believe? "I am militantly apathetic!!!!"
''Yes, I'm in Rome''
Uh, I'm sure that's a green screen
nice work, KJ99! thank you.
As it happens, I have a brain tumor, although I am 'less advanced" than it, I'm hoping the surgery and radiation killed it before it outcompetes my other cells..)
I am interested in learning more about the DNA 'checkpoints', is that a mechanism all genes go through? sort of a first-look at mutations? what criteria leads to a 'passing' grade? do you have sources to recommend regarding learning about this?
I am not a scientist (I'm an artist!) but I do have a brain
This is essentially the same mechanism as what happens when a tumour develops from a single mutated cell. Successive mutations in "oncogenes" (genes that control cell replication) can cause a loss of control of the ability for the cell to regulate its replication. For these reasons, it has been postulated theoretically that tumourous cells are more advanced in an evolutionary sense than our own regular cells as they can outcompete them for resources and ultimately kill us.
Billions upon billions of people have been born. How exactly is childbirth a miracle? I think this woman needs a dictionary. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to experience the miracle of eating an ice cream sandwich.
It makes no difference to me. Getting killed by someone else's greed has the same result as getting killed in the name of something.
Priest says, "it's only a 'fad' among publishers."
Also known as whistling past the graveyard!
"Here at Fox News, we believe religion is under attack by militant atheists! To provide a counter-argument, here's a Catholic priest!"
Fair and balanced!
"its clear he has no atheists friends" That was my point, I was just explaining why that was so to the guy who thought he did well
"i disagree,he didn't do well at all" NO argument there, but that wasn't the spin placed by the hosts, which was my point.
Yes, I managed a double faceplam at that point.
And again with the eye... How many times do we have to explain this before they stop embarrassing themselves?
Wow and he was still trying the watchmaker argument in 2007!!!! Well kudos to him.
At 2:24 the woman implies that the existence of a god is the only possible explanation for human birth, and that contemplating this assertion "will change a lot of people's minds." But the last I heard, there was a completely satisfactory scientific explanation for this phenomena. I wonder what she's talking about. I'd like to hear her explanation.
Latest trend? Fad?
My face drained of colour when I heard those words.
I feel for you guys in the US. I never knew it was this bad.
Im an atheist, and I like christians like you. I love the idea that you respect what I believe and I will respect yours. The problem here is NOT atheists rubbing their beliefs in your face. The problem is and always has been the religious forcing their beliefs on others. You seem to be outside of that group. I love this.
To each their own. If only the religious would follow this.
The french version of "the God delusion" has a more harsh title: "Pour en finir avec dieu". This can have 2 translation: "To get over the subject of god" or the other "To finish off god"
The first clue that someone is intolerant towards something is when they say "I have a lot of friends who are (insert here)" Whether they do or not, everyone makes an intolerant statement after this sentence.
I do not understand people. People can believe whatever they want. I'm a Christian, I have atheist friends and I don't care. Nobody can prove that I'm right and nobody can prove that I'm wrong. It's a matter of faith. I think that the best thing that the church and religion does is provide people guidance and a sense of belonging and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't mind atheists except when they try to rub there beliefs in my face, I don't do it to you you don't do it to me. 'nuff said.
At first I thought she was being sarcastic, talking about the virgin birth. But I guess she wasn't. I have no clue.
Miracle of pregnancy?
OMG give me the epidural! Shoot drugs into my spin!
If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction.
-Judith Hayes
I know, but I literally just fit the character limit. What I meant is that a theory has to have all the evidence for it and NONE against it. Btw, that would be a hypothesis, not a theory. You would have to apply the scientific method and have decent evidence supporting for it to be a theory. You're not being annoying, that's a good point.
He's probably just scared because his church attendance has gone way down.
On the contrary, my friend. It's the people who have not been smart enough to question their beliefs and grasp the cold reality that there is no fluffy man in the sky who take us when we die.
"So far, there is none- so to even bring it up is foolishness. "
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING :-)
Thanks for agreeing. :-)
"Yeah, the miracle of pregnancy will change people's minds"
that was funny. i have the same response to that as i do to little kids. when a mommy, and a daddy, love each other very much...
Funny he should mention the human eye.
When I was watching this video, I rolled over and broke my glasses. Couldn't see shit until I put on my contact lenses. True story.
i love how 'father johnathon' has to clairify that he isn't the priest that was arrested with Jesse Jackson. Gee, thanks for pointing that out! It is hard to keep track which priests are arrested or not!
to say that people suffer there atheism is the most condescending thing ive ever heard. Its insulting that these theists think that they are 'above us' because they believe in fairies and that we deserve some sort of sympathy.
Also, if child birth is so miraculous and perfect why have do many women die during labor without medical intervention? You don't see this problem with roaches. Childbirth is actually a very good example of a blind watchmaker, because any designer with a smidgen of intelligence would make the birth canal wide enough to accommodate the newborn's cranium with room to spare.
Atheists have been outspoken by printing books? God has been outspoken for millenia.
NCKHJP3: Good point. The burden of proof should be on the person making the claim that something exists. Imagine how silly it would be if someone claimed to believe in unicorns, then demanded that others show they don't exist. That's pretty much what we have with god, except the proof is apparently contained in books written by ignorant men -- whose identify we don't know -- thousands of years ago.
Whats funny is that compared to OG atheistic belief systems like Jainism (~3000bc), abrahamic religions that came along MUCH later could be considered a "fad" in their eyes.
Re: the popular 'how can we not believe?' question: It's reasonable not to believe in any god, as is any lack of belief in absurd claims, like cryptids or clairvoyance. (See: Russell's teapot)
'Belief in God' is a vague cencus phrase and can indicate any Theistic, Deistic, Pantheistic, or otherwise monotheistic life stance.
I'm an open Atheist, but I believe in debating intelligently, with an educated, objective view, avoiding arguments with logical fallacies (ad hominem, straw man, etc.)
I'm inclined to believe in Gawd when a beautifully designed lion or bear eats one of His children. Or when Gawd's children devour each other, like My Lai or Auschwitz or the ancient Roman Colosseum games. That beauty is proof of His awesome design.
that was before the askenazi clan invaded in droves beginning in the 1880s and took over media, education, and government and began marxism aggressively. This is no longer america, but the Kingdom of Khazaria.
everything needs to be taken with moderation, elitism isn't bad in itself.
having elite pilots, elite craftsmen, elite scientists, all progress society as a whole and are elites in their own tiny fields (all those who don't just get their license, registration etc, through sheer dumb luck, that is)
"That whole miracle of pregnancy, that will change a lot of people's minds." Oh Fox, always good for a laugh.
The eye once started out as cells that started responding on light. It's been scientifically proven that during evolution the eye has been changed on itself about 40 times to what we have today.
"Saying that just because there's no proof of something that it doesn't exist is bad science." Does that imply claiming things that have absolutely no proof is good science?
I wonder if you can actually feel the sudden drop in the IQ level when these three walk into the room.
FANFUCKINGTASTIC! What an AWESOME post! Dude, you have completely nailed the whole topic! Hillarious!!! 10+ points for that!!!!
I personally resent the fact that the media can refer to atheism as a "fad" or a "craze" without thinking anything of it.
If you don't believe the Bible, then check out Howard Storm on youtube. He is an atheist who died in hospital, then was revived. While "dead" he was taken to the entrance of Hell, then rescued by Jesus. Now Howard is a minister and firm believer in God. Like most people that have had a major NDE, he firmly rejects the idea that it was a dream or a trick of the subconscious mind.
"Stupid" was what the panel was looking for.
i did not know "moronism" was an actual denomination
Exactly the same with religion. Unfortunately, too many fools believe that the lies of religion are true.
I'd say life evolved over billions of years.
Or did Adam and Eve ride dinosaurs to church every Sunday?
Is there a ship atop Myt. Ararat? lol
I was an atheist but... wow the miracle of child birth... that changed my mind... you simply can't explain how that happens through science and biology.. ITS A MIRACLE
"i am in rome, (awkwardly quitter) i am in rome"
@scheme86 Think of it this way: millions of people all over the world listen to people who aren't allowed to have sex for advice on sex, marriage, birth control, and child rearing. That was a major reason for my formally defecting from the Catholic Church.
16.1% of America is non-religious. Not 5%. That's the 3rd time that I've heard that fictitious statistic on FOX.
Did she say that birth is proof of god's existence? hahaha.... wow.... that's a new one...
Then I'll be blaming atheists for all the wars they started. Simple. The fact that a "cause" is associated with religion but not atheism is meaningless.
"And by the way, Stalin grew up in a Christian family. It's a shame all those "morals" he learned didn't help him much. "
Yeah, it is.
This is one crazy ass dimension that we live in right now.
Why so much thumbs down? This video was meant to make fun of fox and this religion.
I don't like the video qulity...DISLIKED!
just imagine if God really does exist. a Christian would go up to him and say "why do you let bad things happen? why is there so much pain and suffering in the world?" and God would say "because i love you..."
sounds like a pretty messed up God to me
I don't suffer in atheism. It is actually quite freeing and refreshing. No longer will one fret over inane trivialties in life and pursue a more fuller one.
that is why all creatures 'fit' so well into the environment,if longer teeth would help the animal survive and have more offspring, eventually a mutation will come around and help that animal, and that good mutation stays around and eventually is in every animal in the group. since only the good mutations survive, each animal continues to get better fit for where they live. it is automatic.
if you follow this line of thinking, it eads to a gradual accumulation of better genes (the bad ones die and fail, the improvements become more common. So the environment is essentially putting pressure on the selection process (if there are predators around, the good genes are likely to help the animal escape, so the good mutations will be longer leg, or better camaflouge.) after a long long time, the animals get better and better until they are really well adapted to where they live
I wish religious people and atheists would learn to say these three words: "I don't know." Problem solved.
"It's BAD science trying to prove god doesn't exist."
I suppose it would be GOOD science if it tried to prove the opposite.
whoever speaks their mind against the idea of god is labeled "militant" ... i guess by the same standard this priest is a "militant" Christian.....
idiocy...
"90% of Americans believe in God."
"10% of Americans are Atheist."
Oh fucking Really?
"Going outside their scientific field" - Riiiight, riiiight.
Leave the scientists to study the facts. Leave the religious to myth creation.
I will bet 100 dollars that that man has no friends, let alone athiest ones...
I was an Atheist then i looked at the miracle of childbirth and that whole pregnancy thing and it changed my mind.
No i'm not.
No be know agnostic is to say "i DO NOT KNOW if there is a God". To be Nostic is to say "i KNOW if there IS a god"
To be a theist is to say "I BELIEVE there IS god". To be an atheist is to say "I do not believe there is a god".
A rational atheist would have to also be agnostic as claiming knowledge of the existance of god is irrational. Like i said, there are no beliefs associted with atheism, just the non belief of God.
Shame on clooney for abandoning his faith.He was raised christian and now look what hollywood did to him.
exactly. They attack atheist's right to have an honest opinion because that's the only comeback these guys have.
You know someone is stupid when they say, "some of my best friends are X" and think that it is relevant
You can believe the sky is red,
You can convince everyone else that the sky is red,
Everyone can believe the sky is red,
But, no matter how much, no matter how hard, no matter how many people believe that the sky is red, its not going to make the sky red.
The repetition or belief in a lie does not make it true... If yeh get my drift........
"If the complex order of creation is not evidence enough for you, then nothing will be. "
evolution explains how complexity arises. Thank Darwin for that.
Doing a story on Islam? Invite a imam.
A story on Judaism? Interview a rabbi.
A story on Hindusim? Get a Hindu cleric on.
Doing a report on the rise in people identifying as nonreligious? Put on a Catholic priest of course.
"I must clarify that I'm not the priest who was arrested" . . .Guilt????