CNN -- Atheist Discrimination Panel
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- CNN is trying to make amends for their hack job of a discrimination panel when talking ~about~ their panel on discrimination. Much better, but the Reverend and what he says is a joke. Originally from onegoodmove.org...
If you have to be told that things like murder, slavery, rape, genocide, etc are wrong from a book, then you aren't exactly very smart to begin with.
Especially if you believe that the book tells the truth.
Except you didn't learn any of that on your own. It was instilled in you by external influences; either by your parents, the state, or a cultural group (i.e. a church). So, yes, you did need a written word to tell you these things. If they weren't written down they would not exist.
@@MirrorDimly Except religion comes with the additional threat of eternal torment for not playing by all its rules. Or simply not believing in said deity. You really need the threat of eternal torment to not do something wrong?
How could atheists take God out of someone's life? Atheists probably get their morality from the same place as you, the ability to empathise and comprehend reality.
A black person said that? I'm black and he made me mad when he spoke.
Doesn't matter what colour he was
Due to this being 5 years later and I'm sure you've heard more from him, have you heard anymore of the things he has said that would surely infuriate you?
@@Panikdemet it has a bearing when the Bible advocates for slavery
"Where do you get your morals from?"
RATIONALITY
"You're 1-3% of the population; why are you so noisy?" (sarcasm font!)
YEAH! Why are minorities so noisy?!
I live in Texas and this is bullshit. I'm atheist and all the people that I know is "christian". People never accept is atheist because the society discriminate again atheist
I don't remember any atheists fighting to have "under NO god" or "in the ABSENCE of any divine spirit" put in the pledge and on our money. Ya know, forcing their beliefs on others, as this very intelligent, not-at-all-asinine Rev puts it. I must've missed out on those news stories, cause all I'm hearing are people advocating the *neutral* position of leaving God-talk out of those altogether.
Exactly. Good point well made.
Keep in mind that God was only put into the Pledge of Allegiance and put on our money in the 1950s as a result of the Cold War and fear of communism. Up until then God was not on the money and not referred to in the Pledge of Allegiance as the Constitution requires. This is NOT a Christian nation it was NOT founded on Christian principles. The founding fathers thought the separation of church and state so important that is why it is in the Constitution. Also, almost every country we currently call "enemy" is a theocracy.
There is a huge difference between "imposing godless life" on someone and defending yourself against religious imposition.
We get them from innate human solidarity. There, done, answered.
Nice, short, to the point. I will steal that phrase.
It is wrong to have the words "under God" in the pledge because that is not freedom of religion. Christians ask why we care if we don't even believe in God. Well think about Muslims. What if the majority of America were Muslims and the pledge had the words "under Allah"? All hell would break lose with the Christians. you don't go forcing your religion on others. That's immoral. It's ironic how you quote this from the Bible: Do unto others as you would like them to do unto thyself. It's called respect.
"Where do athiests get their morals from?" I get mine from common sense. Growing up nobody ever had to tell me that murder or rape was bad. I just knew. Same goes for any number of other moral issues.
I suspect we get our morals from the exact same place as you...I know you claim to get them from god, but given you have not yet established his existence I am extremely skeptical that this is your source. Things that are not shown to exist are almost never a potential cause of other things.
wow ....i'm so disgusted by these people........why cant atheist have their rights!!? america makes me sick :/ and i'm a patriot but when i see stuff like this it just upsets me deeply
Atheism is much more organized now than it was before. You ask us questions and most of us will give you answers.
i am in high school and i refuse to stand up during the pledge of allegiance because it is unconstitutional. and people always say im unamerican, but standing up for my inalienable constitutional rights makes me more american. and i hate it when people say this country was founded on christianity. this country was founded on people escaping religious prosecution. and the only mention of religion is separation of church and state in the first amendment.
Timeout an atheist accused a Christian of child abuse, cut to commercial...
Right on dude. Not a lot of black atheists around. Religion seems to be more ingrained into our culture than it is with other races in America. It's good to see that I'm not alone.
“...religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together."
--Madison
In a country so obsessed with privatizing everything, I don't understand why the concept of keeping government entirely out of religion is so hard to grasp.
I wish I was there when I asked the question: "Where do atheists get their moral from?".
I'd look him in the eyes and say: " I get my moral and ethics from a careful consideration of the consequences of my actions".
"Let's see if atheists are discriminated against, but first let me berate this guest before she has a chance to speak."
Case closed
Sorry the first message came out wrong - what I meant was you can't not be an explicit nor implicit athiest and also not be a thiest at the same time, its impossible
For someone to say I am morally inferior just because I'm atheist. Shows how closed minded they really are.
Seriously?!? "Where do you get your morals from?" My parents taught me proper ethics and made me who I am today. I didn't need RELIGION to teach me right and wrong- just good parenting.
Again, I'm not the person who's engaging with the 'moral' conversation. I'm not even talking about profound ethics. I'm talking about basic, human freedom given the fact that we all have the same, basic set of capabilities. We all, pretty much have the same capacity for learning. We all have the same physical limitations. We all have the same lifespan. Those facts alone, are adequate reason for slavery to be wrong in any era.
This is the same man who said that women shouldn't vote.
I'm an atheist, and I get my morals and ethics from what I think is right, and I don't need a 2000 year old book to tell me what is right.
I'm not sure I fully understood your reply or what you are getting at?
I never stated that perfection is achievable nor confirmed its existence, I merely contested the idea that "perfection" can be mathematically represented by "101%".
We had a moment of silence each morning 30 years ago when I went to public school. The athiests had that removed over fear someone might pray in silence. They are trying to remove a person's individual right to think in silence.
"Now do you understand how ignorant your logic sounds to an outsider?"
How will an ignorant man ever learn if he is never taught?
I also forgot, I didn't meant that talking about evolution is pointless. It's an interesting subject and fun to learn. What I was trying to say is ARGUING about it or God is pointless. What's going to happen if you win in the debate? If you win then that's it, you just wasted your time. I'm trying to say, instead of arguing about something pointless, people should just use the time to study instead of arguing...
If you lack morals you don't lack religion, you lack sympathy and empathy. Simple.
I meant "too", sorry bout the typo
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men of all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.
-Daniel Webster
that black guy sounds like those people who would have kept him in separate but equal lifestyle.
A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people -James Madison
See how the atheist doesn't butt in when someone is trying to talk but when the atheist or anyone else is talking the christian tries to butt in?
Yeah...sad.
Here are some things Evolution has made possible to the world:
*DNA fingerprinting
*Better understanding of psychology
*Better understanding of disease
*Biotechnology
*Creation of new enzymes, pigments, antibiotics, flavors, etc.
*Establishment of genetic and evolutionary algorithms for engineering and computer science
*Advances in the conservation of endangered species
*Prediction of gene functions
And so much more. So don't say that Evolution is false unless you can explain these without it.
It sickens me that my people so fervently defend a religion that has been the very instrument of our ancestors enslavement. Have kept us passive in the face of brutal oppression yet, we are so eager to sing, dance, and holy ghost all on the floor. It really sickens me.
What I mean is you cannot both not be a thiest and also not be an implicit athiest, but you can not be a thiest and also not be an explicit athiest, and so follows what I said before
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
As an Japanese agnostic, I would hate to live in america being oppressed by the obtuse minded majority and not being able to have a civil discussion for more than 4 minutes on a national network with expert guest, moderated by a non-bias host. an America believes that they are 'the land of the free'. If you want to see freedom learn for the Australians watch?v=kulwG7_MSXw&feature=relmfu
Atheists do not say that removing religion will fix all the world's problems, but it would fix many of the big ones... I dont know why you have to resort to foul language either...
I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas. It's not that I have a problem with christians celebrating Christmas or Easter, it's that I don't believe in state mandated practice of those holidays, as in school shouldn't teach the history of the holiday or anything of the sort. Which still happens in a lot of public schools in the south. Believe whatever you want, I honestly don't give a damn, just don't force your beliefs on anyone else.
We need an atheist old woman or man who's so lovable and sweet that the opposition actually listen to their reason.
"Where do you get your morals from?" I hate this question because there are great explanations for human morality from the theories of natural selection and sexual selection but nobody who asks this question is ever willing to listen long enough to hear the answer.
That reverend should follow his own advice. If you want to be Christian that’s fine, but don’t try to change America based on your beliefs. This country was founded on secular beliefs escaping from religious prosecution.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Thomas Jefferson: I have examined all of the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity, one redeeming feature.
atheists don't need a fear of going to hell to be good people.
Oh, Jesse, you've come so far. LMAO
Pastors can see their lucrative careers going away with the spread of skepticism and rational thought. It's no wonder they're so offended by atheists.
Yeah - there are always some people of every viewpoint who make their points as insulting as possible. The fact that the internet is anonymous is probably why most people who don't even talk like that in real life are abundant here.
Everything else was either speculation or unsourced claims. Look, I'm not criticizing your religion, I just don't agree that an argument as heavily flawed and based on speculation and not fact should be in the top comments.
People that would consider themselves "non-religious" are between 17%-19% of the American population. Recent statistics too
I find it very ironic a christian saying athiests are trying to impose their beliefs on others
I'm a UK citizen too and it is an interesting situation. I wouldn't say being an atheist or gay means nothing but the issues seem to be debated rationaly. In America you have 0% chance of becoming a president if you don't support Christainity and you can't share views on homosexuality unless they lean against.
Good for you!!!
And if that school threatens -or worse: takes- action, don't hesitate to sue their collective asses.
The future of the US is in the hands of people like you. Never forget that. In today's world, faith based beliefs are probably the biggest obstacles to progress and social health. The repercussions for society as a whole are grossly underestimated.
You're fighting the good fight. And perhaps even the most important fight of our generation.
Let me correct the reverend, he said:
"This great country was built on the idea of god, family and constitution..."
Correction:
"This great country was built on the idea of a republic, freedoms (such as religion), and democracy. Not to mention the lack of a central bank."
Not to mention "under god" wasn't originally in the Pledge of Allegiance and was added sometime in the 1950's.
I'm not going for the removal of religion from society, I am going for the decentralisation of religion as the basis for government. Keep governments/schools/companies and religion entirely separate.
"We are a Christian nation to the extent that a majority of us are Christian" ...Yup. I agree with her on that one.
"Atheists are morally compromised" Siiiigh...I hate this stereotype. What even disappoints me more is that the reverend actually believes it.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I used "black people" as a reference to slavery because it is common knowledge that blacks were slaves in the U.S., where I was born. The idea I am trying to pass on is that the bible preaches this message of slavery. So what keeps a christian from thinking its correct to do so, when it spreads slavery along with its other "moral" messages? Also, slavery is not gone, but demolished from larger countries. Some areas still have slavery.
"Godless lifestyle"? Shouldn't that be "Godfree lifestyle"?
I hate that "Where did you get your morals" argument. As if there's no such thing as parents, mentors, roll models, family, life experience and common sense. I guess certain things come natural to some while others must learn from a book.
Just to clarify, I do actually respect you simply because you seem to be a nice, reasonable person and my respect doesn't change for particular beliefs - I never even intended this conversation to go that long - I just wanted to clarify something which didn't seem to make sense. My intent was not to offend or attack your beliefs - in fact -technically we agree on most things. I just dont think we need to be absolutely 100% sure to say something is the best explanation (better than alternatives)
There's no discrimination against atheists. Atheists occupy the highest positions in education, especially "elite" universities/colleges, using their positions to discriminate against evangelicals and conservatives. A 2005 BE Press Forum paper, for example, found discrimination against conservatives, women, and religious folks is at least partly to blame for the lack of conservative & religious representation in these institutions. In 2011, psychologist Jonathan Haidt came to the same conclusion
Right, there is definately a difference between a productive discussion and an arguement fueled by emotions where a person feels they are being personally attacked because their core beliefs are being questioned. In an arguement, as long as both parties are open to valid arguements by the other they might be able to learn from each other or reestablish something which they think is not correct. Not all arguements are like this - so yeah some arguements can be useful while some may not be at all
No atheist is ever forced to do anything they can get involved or not. Having someone in class as a prayer is done is not infringing on their rights. No one is forcing them to do anything. Instead they bring some law suit to restrict the ability of those interested in God from religious freedom. We live in a primarily Christian country. If this country was primarily Moslem that is what I would expect, but that is not the case yet. Islam is making great strides in our school system today.
Imposing my godless lifestyle? I cannot count how many times I have walked down the street, had a meal or someone knocking on my door to tell me about god. When was the last time you saw an atheist do any of these thing?
I believe this was an administration policy not a law for a moment of silence. I often used it to think about my classes later that day. The atheists had it removed because someone MIGHT pray. Pitiful.
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Exactly! This fact can not be disproved or denied by any religious person.
I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books.
--Albert Einstein
Get my morals from how my actions affect those around me.
Why in the world did he even bring up Atheist's morals in that conversation? This has nothing to do with the matter that was at hand.
The government was never to have a responsibility to ensure that atheism is the default teaching of our schools. Our government has become extremely hostile to religion in all spears of public life.
Ithink that the "under God" part of the pledge of allegance is fine with me, but they can't force me to pray in school.
No there aren't. There are people who think they saw an icon cry. The mind is very easily fooled.
A serial killer in prison thinks what he did was right. His morals are based on what he thinks is right. Is he wrong? Why or why not?
The unfinished word is supposed to signify the absurdity. Surely you've come across such a thing in your 24 years of life...
It is the exact opposite here in Sweden. The believers are the one getting discriminated and looked upon as less intelligent.
Look at what his son went through, he allowed that to happen to his perfect son...
America is a Christian nation just as it is a white nation, just as it is a female nation, if one considers numbers only. The rest of us are in the minority. As soon as there is an atheist building on every corner, then we can fear, right now I fear Christians.
I notice religious people, especially Christians, try to use this silly argument that if we don't believe in the bible then where do our morals come from? I find a very good response from an Albert Einstein quote. "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"no discrimination against atheists"- you are wrong. several states have laws prohibiting an atheist from holding a public job, like school teacher, counsellor etc..
See, that's the point. Atheism is realising just how humble we are, just how little we really know about the universe. Religion is filling up the gaps with stories.
My mistake on saying human history. You're right about that, was being too vague. My point being though is that it was a social norm and not a moral aberration during that era. I'm trying to figure out how you know that morals haven't changed, and what evidence supports that.
this is my response to jesse lee peterson's bigoted question:
i choose to be a good person, i choose to do good deeds to help others, i choose to respect others. it comes from an inward desire to be kind.
bigots like him obviously cant think for themselves, they need to be told whether to be good or bad because of words in a book
In the modern world, religion of all types should be mocked and laughed right off the stage for the iron age superstition it is. We all get or morals from our parents and mentors from our youngest years and our own compassion for other living creatures.
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So am I not entitled to my own belief, in a nation that was created off of the idea of being able to practice your own beliefs without persecution? It's constitutional. There's an enormous double standard of Christians in this country.
I absolutely agree that to be intellectually honest one should modify their beliefs if they are falsifed by new evidence, and that they should not defend them just for the sake of protecting their ego.
That is the thing though, religious people have to get their morals and representations from a religious text, and apply it to their world. Atheists have to take their morals and representations from the real world and apply it to the real world. The main reason many religious people don't want an atheist government is that an atheist government will remove tax breaks from religious companies/schools/institutions/churches etc that allow them to pay no tax.
Where do non- religious people get their morals? From science and everyday observation. Some religious people get theirs from 2000 year old books and scripts.
Before the fifties, God was never in the pledge of allegiance "in God we trust was never printed until the 40's. America was a secular country.
To say you need a book in order to know whats good and whats bad is stupid.
Well if you step off your high horse of thinking you know anything, the world may surprise you.
I ride a Penny-farthing. My dad rode one, and his dad rode one, and so on. It is best form of transportation around, and there will never be anything better than a Penny-farthing. Because my Great-great-great-great-great-great Grandfather said so all those years ago, as far as I know, he never lied.
Exodus 21:2-6 NLT, Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT, Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
You can also find other verses if you look around. There are even historical descriptions of the bible being used to promote slavery in the U.S.
I can write tooth fairy and think about Santa Claus too. There is no logical connection between thought and existence.
I think Santa Claus. Therefore Santa Claus exists.
One to three percent? At this time, 2007, atheists accounted for seven to nine percent.
If we didn't realize that without our numbers for support, defense and to hunt, we wouldn't have survived very long. We weren't the dominant species back then and we had tons of bigger more dangerous predators.
Note that all the interruptions were made by the black dude (Believer), even more than the host, when a theist is challenged about their believe, this happens.