Her other sister Lily- who was blind- tried to guilt trip Rose into moving from Miami to Chicago in order to care for her. I get it that Lily was scared of being alone as a blind person in addition to being stubbornly independent; but I was glad that Dorothy and Sophia were able to get Rose to understand that Lily was not an invalid and that she needed to learn how to be independent as a blind person. Sophia related to Rose by telling her about how she [Sophia] was in bad shape after her stroke. Sophia couldn't walk or talk or even feed herself. But Dorothy stopped coddling Sophia and made her do her exercises. Eventually, Sophia managed to regain her ability to walk and talk. Despite my opinion of Lily; I admit that Polly Holliday gave a great performance as Lily.
It's really messed up once you realize that Kirsten was fully upset over money, like why did she care if rose had anything to leave over. Also when Kirsten's daughter,Charlie, mentions that she only ever heard that her grandpa was rich implies Kirsten never talked about more than his earnings.
Exactly! And Charlie is just a little girl and all we see of her is her interest on boys who want to be astronauts (i.e. rich, successful and important) and her fantasizing about a rich and successful husband. Excuse me but thay doesn't sound like she is being thaugh very great values...
Kirsten was cold and treated her mother like a child. She only cared about how much money she was going to get. The irony is that if Rose was a real person Kirsten would still be waiting.
At first, I thought her rightly worried...But they had phones in the 80s, she could have called. Yes, mom calls can be tedious when they tell you every little detail about things you don't care about. But that thing could've been prevented, had she took the time and at the very least listened to her mom... so...
Having been in Lily's position. It is very understandable that she was scared and didn't know how to move on. Rose was right to force her to be independent. It just seemed like 2 women being really good sisters to each other. Which is why Lily came back she thanked Rose for getting her to be strong.
@@karinaashmon what are you talking about!?! Oh, Lily was her sister who went blind but became dependent on Rose because she felt helpless. You are confusing Lily that with her daughter Kirsten. Who got upset because Rose had wasted the family's nonexistent fortune. But I don't think Kirsten was a villain either. Rose's unnecessary lies but her in the butt. She could have been honest with her. Her facade was unnecessary and kept them all from really understanding who Charlie really was. I once went blind and you do feel helpless. I was able to get corneal transplants and got enough vision back to attempt to function. It's scary but not insurmountable.
agree. Her response was understandable, even textbook/common. I couldn't help but feel anything other than sympathy and empathy for Lily. Definitely no hate of any kind. As for Rose's response to Kirsten, it was a MUCH different time. Patriarchy was a strong presence in the nuclear family household. Preserving the image and memory of the patriarchal figure was an unfortunate task that was hardwired in the majority of women. Rose's response to preserve the way her daughters viewed their father was more important to her than how they viewed her. A typical female sacrifice that women were groomed to believe were necessary. Rose's response was virtuous, unfortunate, and also textbook/common.
or Jeremy (fiance of Blanche's overweight daughter) with constant put-downs. That is until Dorothy delivered one of the best lines ever when he joked, "Becky's a bigger everything!" Dorothy: "Not everything, Jeremy"
I didn't think Miles was that bad. Ok he did lie to rose but, he didn't tell her until he felt he could trust her enough. If I was in the witness protection program I would have a hard time telling anyone I am or was of I told anyone.
I don't know about Lily, her background makes her case more sympathetic, to me. An independent woman suddenly becoming blind, still trying to live her life normally, then coming to the crushing realization that her old way of life is all but gone. That has to be terrifying. For all we know, that kitchen fire probably wasn't the first time something like that's happened to her since she lost her sight. I can also understand there being a period of leaning heavily on family dependence, especially if family's all you feel you can trust with this issue as opposed to a group of strangers. I don't know, she isn't _so_ bad that I think would warrant her being on the list, especially next to some absolute scumbags.
not trying to spoil it for those who didn't see the episode but it does have a happy ending. Lily gets a wonderful solution. As you can tell, that episode really affected me.
Kirsten really does come off as intensely hypocritical. She has no higher morality for demanding why all of “daddy’s hard earned money” went, she wanted it for herself
Not to mention when she returns in the final season she acts like the girls are nothing more than roommates and are not her family at all. Kirsten was a very judgemental woman and I'm not even sure why
I didn't really like Kirsten until the episode where Rose had her heart attack and she wouldn't let Dorothy, Blanche, and Sophia see her in the hospital because they weren't Rose's family. Holly was more detestable as she excluded Rose from activities and slept with a man Blanche was dating.
Dr. Elliot was one of the best episodes ever - perfect combination of drama & humor: "He's lyin'. And blinkin'. And twitchin'" Then Rose is like: "He *_is_* blinking, Dorothy" 😆
I find it ironic that Dorothy and Rose were amazing mothers in the show and their kids ended up being rude, reckless, and selfish people (except Kate) while Blanche wasn’t such a great mother and her kids are very like-able such as Rebecca and even Janet to an extent.
Michael was a prime example of one of the bad kids on the show. First, sleeping with Rose's daughter and fast forward to Season 5 (The last time we saw him, he quits his job and just plays around with his life).. I never was fond of his attitude and the way he treated Dorothy.
If I had to choose between Rebecca and Janet, Rebecca is the one who is way better than Janet. Rebecca is kind and wants a relationship with her mother unlike her other children. We never see her sons and Janet seems to like dumping her kids on Blanche while treating her like dirt
I honestly think Miles was perfect for Rose, but the writers ruined him in the Golden Palace and labeled him as a cheater. Same with Jerry, I was genuinely curious to how the writers would write his and Balnche's relationship and wanted to see it work. But the big guy never appeared again...
I feel there's a couple relationships of Blanche's that might have worked out if the writers had decided to do so. Besides Jerry, Blanche dated a blind guy named John Quinn and they seemed to have worked out their issues by the end of the episode he was on to have a real relationship.
Both Kirstens were horrible daughters! (And by the way, the actresses who played Kirsten were SO different look and acting wise, like the two Rebeccas).
Patrick Vaughn was the best 😄 Dorothy "He made me feel beautiful" Blanche "He made me feel young" Rose "He made me feel smart" Dorothy "God what an actor" 🤣🤣🤣
The bigoted next door neighbor who wouldn't pay for damages caused by fallen tree, the house inspector that almost separated the girls, Rose's other daughter who wouldn't let the other ladies visit Rose when she had a heart attack .
I feel the inspector was doing his job and seemed happy when they found a solution. Kirsten was definitely a horrible, infuriating person. The neighbor was definitely a jerk as well
Yeah he was a real scum bag. Especially in the episode where he absolutely refuses to marry her again until she signs a prenup to secure his assets even though the first time they married then divorced because of his adultery.
Honestly I don't hate Lily, I don't see why someone would, she was just struggling with being blind suddenly, and by the end of the episode she was able to go to the school to learn how to live her life without seeing, people aren't perfect, she wasn't a liar or a cheat
I dont agree with all of these. I mean, lily has gone through so much and with trying to deal with being blind. Also miles loved rose, although i havent seen golden palace i know miles left rose but there must have been a reason why. Also which episode is the jasper guy from?
Its possibly narcissism and/or psychopathy in these people who hate blind, disabled and sick who can't function much anymore. I have symptoms of a rare disorder and cancer - bent sternum, special ed for several years, failed several grades and maybe going blind from Homocystinuria plus had a test show cancer and have end stage symptoms. Its not right and just evil when I get hate or no (reasonable) empathy. These People need to go through something life changing and Permanently bad with no empathy from others for decades. People need to know what its like to suffer in some way.
#1 is like a male blanche. only he foolishly dated 3 friends/roommates. if they'd been 3 strangers... he might have gotten away with it. it's still wrong but i'm glad he got caught.
well the show must go on. if everyone realized it was real, might have ruined the play. and this way they get to humiliate him without messing up the play.
I’m glad Gloria made the list. She may come around in the end, but she’s really an obnoxious person who had everything handed to her in life, she thinks she better then Dorothy even when her life falls apart, and Sophia constantly is taking her side no matter the situation. In fact, she’s pretty pathetic considering in season one she confessed to Dorothy that Sophia never had hope for her to make it on her own and counted on her marrying rich. Overall, I really don’t care for her.
Yeah the fact her mom is even like. Marry rich girl or you are doomed. Some people have said oh but she apologized. Nah. She shouldn't have done it in the first. Place
What's also crazy is Gloria's first appearance she wasn't that bad! She was likable and got along well with Dorothy, even after they fight over their mother. They ruined her in the last season and I'll never forgive the writers for that
I can’t hate Miles to be honest. He was protecting himself and then Rose against a dangerous man. He didn’t do it to be malicious or because he was a pathological liar. Edit: I just found out he cheated on her on The Golden Palace. I never finished it, so never mind what I said earlier lol.
I think it isn't just that. Long distance relationships are difficult and Rose left for good... So they either had to bring him back with the new series (not even sure the actor wanted to continue) or separate them.
There wasn’t a single episode where they didn’t talk about a serious issue Also the music between scenes isn’t the generic jaunty music in sitcoms it’s calm slow music that makes you forget that you’re watching a sitcom
Hi Courtney and crew! I hope you all are well. Miles always rubbed me the wrong way. Even though they were an amazing couple. Even going further to discuss The Golden Palace, Miles dumps Rose and runs to marry another woman. So unfortunate and saddening because they went through so much together. Great video. #StayGolden
Golden Girls recast so many characters it was like a soap opera, there should be a video list about that, I think only Stan, Michael and Virginia came back more than once with the same face 😂
Also about Gil looking back it's shitty that he was the first trans character in the show and his entire status as a trans man is made into a punchline and a plot twist
What I really hated about Gil was using Blanche as an attempt to boost his own confidence by claiming he slept with her. But that episode also angers me b c once again, political figures and celebrities can't have any privacy with their personal life. Blanche was kinda childish at the end as well, crossing her fingers after possibly ' stretching the truth' some more with the others. Even as a bonus, I'm glad you mentioned Ted, who's not that much different than Stan, with having younger women as partners or flings. I loved how Dorothy embarrassed him towards the end, that was a riot!
I never understood the Miles story line, 10 episodes before his reveal, his Daughter visited him, She was even angry at Rose. But then he was in witness protection and never spoke to friends and family???
With her famous line: Kiss my Grits! Alice was another brilliant show. I also loved Kate and Allie, which premiered around the same time as The Golden Girls. I miss the 70s and 80s. The best era ever. Clothes. Style. Chic. Everything. And for the record, Charlie’s Angels and Policewoman were the best cop shows. That era simply ruled!
Don't forget the b-witchy Mrs. Deagle from Gremlins and Gloria in a brief cameo from Mrs. Doubtfire. I despised Mrs Deagle more than Gloria though: insulting Billy and his dad after the snowman was destroyed, (although admittedly, bringing Barney to work with him probably wasn't the best move) Her blackmailing him into giving Barney to her to be put-down, ess for no good reason, and then gleefully taunting him about what she'd do if he refused. Mrs. Deagle and F. Claxton had a lot in common: I wanted to deck them both a few times, and didn't really care when Mrs D was killed by the mutated gremlins. Sometimes, you reap what you sow. And just for the record, I didn't hate Lily, but I do think Rose mis-worded some things, when people have to adjust to newly being blind or going deaf it's an adaptive process and shouldn't be rushed. Have a good one folks!
Jasper was a real ***hole. And Ernie was also for using Rose. But I loved Rose when she said "if he can find it he can have it" 😂😂😂. Also NOTHING would make me miss my father's funeral shame on Blanche for that.
Please do a list of the crazy siblings. 1. Holly 2. Virginia 3. Clayton 4. Lilly 5. Charmaine 6. Gloria 7. Angelo 8. Angela 9. Phil 10. Stan's brother 11. Stan's crazy Russian cousin
Gosh, the only one I really hated was Buddy O'Rourke because he tried to screw wonderful, trusting Rose out of her money. J DeKimmel, the cantankerous artist was awful but that episode was so dam funny I forgot to despise him.
I do not agree with Kirsten, Miles, Lily, and Gloria on the list. Kirsten was upset because she was lied to and it took a while for her to see her mother’s reasoning on why Rose lied about Charlie being a success. Miles did love Rose and you can see it through the later seasons. The writers did his character dirty in Golden Palace. Lily was blind, going from a independent lifestyle to being dependent is frustrating. I think a lot of people would react like she did. What Lily went through is something anyone would find terrifying because your losing your sight, something we are used to and dependent on. Gloria did care about her sister, she even apologized to Dorothy later in the second part episode for sleeping with Stan because she saw how much of a pig he is. She realized she was wrong and wanted nothing to do with him. Sofia even admits to setting up the relationship, Sofia knew how Stan was but she did it anyway because she did not think of the consequence of how Dorothy would react.
Or Virginia, she was spot on about Blanche being a bastion of selfishness. Her actions during her father's funeral were inexcusable. She did not even apologize for acting like that. As much as her father had been her rock and support all Blanche did was antagonize her sister who was right. Blanche had a heart but she did not show it then. She was way out of line.
Kirsten was ok compared with the lady that played her (other?) bitchy daughter when Rose went into the hospital & tried to prevent them from visitation because they technically weren't "family".
Actually, no. All of these people were victimizing themselves and were really very selfish or self centered people who gaslighted their victim one way or another. Kirsten (I’ll start with her since I’ve hated both renditions of her most), only cared about her father’s money and reputation as evidenced by her daughter’s comments on how she wanted to marry someone rich because that’s all she ever heard of her grandfather. She was expecting a bigger share of the money she thought her father had earned, which is a total bitch move, since that money (if there was any ) was most certainly for Rose as the mother and wife! Lily also played the victim after putting on a brave face to seem more pathetic than she really was and it was that victimization and gaslighting that forced Rose to tell her to fend for herself. Gloria was Considered self-centered because she would never “slum it with this side of the family”, as Stan states until her only achievement (marrying money) was gone. Another brave face act, like Lily’s and then she collapses in front of the very people she’s snubbed and belittled all those years! And then she “gets conned ” to get hooked up with her sister’s rich ex husband (twice!!!) They should’ve added Sophia to this list for constantly harassing, belittling, insulting, Conning and using Dorothy all this time and to put salt in the wound, Asking Dorothy why she never liked her “good daughter”. Then she hooks Dorothy’s ex con husband on Gloria and thinks it’s permissible because “mother knows best”?!? Dorothy should’ve kicked all three of those deadbeats out of her life and married John Neretti! And finally, Stan. Oh Stan… That narcissistic chauvinist that could only exist in the 80’s & 90’s….. he got what he deserved in that he ended up alone and watched the ONE GOOD thing in his life walk down the isle on the arm of a better human being. And so there you have it, dear. Thank you and good night. 🌙 Oh. Ps. Miles might be said to have done the same to Rose that Rose did to Kirsten so that makes him a bad guy by your reasoning. He was also cheap, possessive and insecure and very manipulative towards Rose!!! Hasn’t she suffered enough with her own family members doing that to her?!? I’m glad he got nowhere with Rose, she deserved better. If only Buzz wasn’t such a selfish bastard too, they’d be a cute couple that would’ve traveled Europe.
@@moimeme6533 For the longest time, I thought they recast Kirsten in that hospital episode. But now I think that Rose had *two* daughters named Kirsten, each named in honor of different relatives. :)
Some of these people on this list don’t belong on “hate” list. Miles, Kirsten, Lily, Gloria, Virginia, , it isn’t like they meant to hurt or meant to cause any trouble, they just had a certain feeling or circumstance that caused a situation.
kirsten wasn't a nice person and Gloria was messed up by sophia which messed up her relationship with dorothy. Still at their age gloria should have done some therapy or self reflection and improvement to realize that taking out her animosity for sophia out on dorothy was just silly. I'm so glad therapy is more widely accepted today.
Kirsten, another poor choice for GG characters we love to hate. Kirsten is the one who is lied to by Rose in this episode until the very end. And i think it is very understandable her reaction when she thinks Rose squandered all the money she thought her father left behind. But in the end, when she learns the truth she forgives her mother. Virginia, i also disagree with. She and Blanche apparently fought their whole lives. I feel her reaction to Blanche's selfish behavior throughout the years is reasonable. And let's not forget how the episode started. Blanche's selfish behavior. Her father asked specifically to see Blanche but she didn't go because she was queen of a ball. I understand why she is on the list but i still disagree
I am going to disagree with you about Kirsten. A child has no entitlement to what money their parents made or items they acquired. What her mother does is her mother's business and she wasn't at all asking Kirsten for money or relying on her. The reaction about her mother's personal business, between her and Charlie, is not hers to meddle in, unasked.
I like how these characters come together especially blanche despite constantly being termed a slut she knew her worth and cared more about her friends
@@StayGoldenGirls their characters changed quite a lot after season one. Rose got more nieve and dumb, Blanche more openly sexual less debonaire, Dorothy and Sophia generally remain the same just better versions
Considering all of the terrible dates and boyfriends the girls had, George from Beatlemania doesn't look too bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah! 😂 The series is so good, it doesn't seem at all dated.
i liked lily and even though rose's daughter was mean, she had a good to be. i like the villian vidoes but how about a list of the best parenting moments on the show.
@@StayGoldenGirls blanche mothering the cop who got shot ( George Clooney), the girls taking care of the children for the parents who running in the same marathon that Sofia was running in.
@@StayGoldenGirls How about Dorothy's speech to Dennis after his affair in season 2? Very compassionate but also honest. I dunno what happened to that mindset with today's parental units. It was also nice that Stan backed her up during said speech. There's plenty of others that I can't pinpoint right now, give me time.
kristen has no right to be mean to rose about money her father earned not her. It was telling the way she was teaching her daughter that charlie only knew her grandpa was rich and that she wanted to marry a rich man. Disgusting.
I would not have included Virginia on the list. Everything she said was true. Blanche would not go see her father because she was going to a citrus festival.
Even tho everything she said might be true, Virginia was also very selfish. Like in the one Episode where she only wanted Blanche‘s Kidney. Yes, Ik Virginia needing a Kidney is very sad and scary. I understand that. But why did she only want Blanche as a Kidney donor (until the very end where she got a other kidney from someone else)?
I mentioned this in the other collection: Rose and Dorothy are very moral people. They have no patience for jerks or hypocrites. Rose isn't stupid, just immature and naive.
The actor who played Kirsten in this particular scene plays Kirsten so differently from the way the other actor portrayed her in the hospital episode. I actually felt like the Kirsten in this episode was truly concerned for her father's hard work, and how Rose could have squandered his hard-earned money away. Of course, I place part of the blame on Rose for lying to her kids about who their father really was, and for making him sound like someone that he wasn't. If they had known the truth about their dad, it's possible that they would have appreciated what they had more. In the hospital episode, I wanted to smack Kirsten for her aloof, bratty attitude. Even though Miles lied to Rose about his real identity, I feel bad for him due to the situation that he was in. It certainly would have been awkward for Rose, but he had to live his life the best way that he could, including his love life. As far as Virginia is concerned, the only person to "hate" in that scene was Blanche because Virginia is dead on target about her being selfish. The truth bites like a rattlesnake sometimes.
Kirsten was always so mean in the episodes she was in, had no idea how she could have been related to Rose. She was probablly my least favorite Golden Child. I actually really loved Miles and thought he was perfect for Rose and vice versa. I like to pretend the show ended with them getting married rather than the incredibly infuriating ending we actually got-- just like I like to pretend Dorothy never left instead of getting married to a guy she had known for at best a few weeks. :P
Lily shouldn't be on the list. Kirsten yes. She only cares about money. I wish we meet Skippy, Blanche's son. Also, does anyone know which of Dorothy's children was the firstborn? I never quite figured it out.
😂How sweet of the PAtrick character doing his best to keep discreet secrets. Up until the throw of course. The throw before another knot gets tied. Afrer offering the usual recommendation through example or outright saying so. Whichever comes first. Getting a pair of contact lenses to look discreet.
I just hate Dorothy and Rose’s daughters so much. Imagine one guilted her mother into compromising with her coward cheating father and got mad when Dorothy tried to protect her from her own cheating husband. And the other told her daughter nothing other than her grandpa was rich then got mad at her mother for spending his money. Not to mention the cruel way Rose’s daughter spoke to the girls when she was hospitalized and in critical care.
Rose was so sweet. Why was most of her family so awful? Her sister Holly was a backstabber and her daughters Kirsten and Bridget were spoiled brats.
So so true
I thought all Bridget did was have an active premarital sex life?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 she insulted Dorothy's son Michael. She said he was a musician because he wasn't smart enough to get into college.
Perhaps, *because* Rose is so sweet and kind of naive. So she had everyone just not care in the best case, run her over in the worst.
Her other sister Lily- who was blind- tried to guilt trip Rose into moving from Miami to Chicago in order to care for her. I get it that Lily was scared of being alone as a blind person in addition to being stubbornly independent; but I was glad that Dorothy and Sophia were able to get Rose to understand that Lily was not an invalid and that she needed to learn how to be independent as a blind person. Sophia related to Rose by telling her about how she [Sophia] was in bad shape after her stroke. Sophia couldn't walk or talk or even feed herself. But Dorothy stopped coddling Sophia and made her do her exercises. Eventually, Sophia managed to regain her ability to walk and talk. Despite my opinion of Lily; I admit that Polly Holliday gave a great performance as Lily.
It's really messed up once you realize that Kirsten was fully upset over money, like why did she care if rose had anything to leave over. Also when Kirsten's daughter,Charlie, mentions that she only ever heard that her grandpa was rich implies Kirsten never talked about more than his earnings.
Indeed
Exactly! And Charlie is just a little girl and all we see of her is her interest on boys who want to be astronauts (i.e. rich, successful and important) and her fantasizing about a rich and successful husband. Excuse me but thay doesn't sound like she is being thaugh very great values...
Wait really? I never thought of it that way.
@@sakura3837 go back and watch the episode; pay attention to the dialogue between rose and Charlie when they are playing dress up
Ik that was horrible
Kirsten was cold and treated her mother like a child. She only cared about how much money she was going to get. The irony is that if Rose was a real person Kirsten would still be waiting.
You know it!
At first, I thought her rightly worried...But they had phones in the 80s, she could have called. Yes, mom calls can be tedious when they tell you every little detail about things you don't care about.
But that thing could've been prevented, had she took the time and at the very least listened to her mom... so...
And waiting, and waiting.
The actress has had plenty of practice playing an evil wench bag there is another movie she was in that she portrayed such a cold hearted woman.
@@nicolenewsome4863 - Did you know that as a teenager she and her family lived in the Amityville house?
I would love to house share with women who have personalities like these.
I hear that
It's a tv show. In real life you'd be... . climbing the walls
@@andrewyoung2796 Why?
Me too .
Having been in Lily's position. It is very understandable that she was scared and didn't know how to move on. Rose was right to force her to be independent. It just seemed like 2 women being really good sisters to each other. Which is why Lily came back she thanked Rose for getting her to be strong.
Understood
She's mot intitle to anything until rose dies. If rose leaves her anything at all.
@@karinaashmon what are you talking about!?! Oh, Lily was her sister who went blind but became dependent on Rose because she felt helpless. You are confusing Lily that with her daughter Kirsten. Who got upset because Rose had wasted the family's nonexistent fortune. But I don't think Kirsten was a villain either. Rose's unnecessary lies but her in the butt. She could have been honest with her. Her facade was unnecessary and kept them all from really understanding who Charlie really was.
I once went blind and you do feel helpless. I was able to get corneal transplants and got enough vision back to attempt to function. It's scary but not insurmountable.
agree. Her response was understandable, even textbook/common. I couldn't help but feel anything other than sympathy and empathy for Lily. Definitely no hate of any kind.
As for Rose's response to Kirsten, it was a MUCH different time. Patriarchy was a strong presence in the nuclear family household. Preserving the image and memory of the patriarchal figure was an unfortunate task that was hardwired in the majority of women. Rose's response to preserve the way her daughters viewed their father was more important to her than how they viewed her. A typical female sacrifice that women were groomed to believe were necessary. Rose's response was virtuous, unfortunate, and also textbook/common.
I can understand hating Miles.I didn't until the Golden Palace.The person i hated the most was the abusive guy Blanche dated that manhandled Dorothy
He was in the first countdown video
Rec is Awful. Agreed
or Jeremy (fiance of Blanche's overweight daughter) with constant put-downs. That is until Dorothy delivered one of the best lines ever when he joked, "Becky's a bigger everything!"
Dorothy: "Not everything, Jeremy"
I didn't think Miles was that bad. Ok he did lie to rose but, he didn't tell her until he felt he could trust her enough. If I was in the witness protection program I would have a hard time telling anyone I am or was of I told anyone.
Rex was horrible. He really was a pig. I hated when he grabbed Dorothy’s arm and hurt her.
I don't know about Lily, her background makes her case more sympathetic, to me. An independent woman suddenly becoming blind, still trying to live her life normally, then coming to the crushing realization that her old way of life is all but gone. That has to be terrifying. For all we know, that kitchen fire probably wasn't the first time something like that's happened to her since she lost her sight. I can also understand there being a period of leaning heavily on family dependence, especially if family's all you feel you can trust with this issue as opposed to a group of strangers. I don't know, she isn't _so_ bad that I think would warrant her being on the list, especially next to some absolute scumbags.
I hear you. Many many people voted for her to be included so we did.
@@StayGoldenGirls _That_ many people hate her? Hmm, a real shame.
Pretty good analysis on Lily, very impressive. As I said before: randomly going blind or even deaf, is an adaptive process that shouldn't be rushed
Yes
not trying to spoil it for those who didn't see the episode but it does have a happy ending. Lily gets a wonderful solution. As you can tell, that episode really affected me.
Kirsten really does come off as intensely hypocritical. She has no higher morality for demanding why all of “daddy’s hard earned money” went, she wanted it for herself
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Not to mention when she returns in the final season she acts like the girls are nothing more than roommates and are not her family at all. Kirsten was a very judgemental woman and I'm not even sure why
So true!
That's very true😮
Kirsten was an entitled brat. It was none of her business whatever Rose did or did not do with HER husband's money.
Mhm
Amen!
She infuriated me with the way she spoke to her mother (Rose)....grrr
Nasty thing!!!
I didn't really like Kirsten until the episode where Rose had her heart attack and she wouldn't let Dorothy, Blanche, and Sophia see her in the hospital because they weren't Rose's family. Holly was more detestable as she excluded Rose from activities and slept with a man Blanche was dating.
I hear you on that
Wasn't that Bridget, though?
It’s wild Virgina called Blanche selfish. Because when she needed a kidney, she made sure to hop a flight to Blanche and ask for hers
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EXACTLY! I can't believe Blanche never used that against her. I certainly would've.
Dr. Elliot was one of the best episodes ever - perfect combination of drama & humor: "He's lyin'. And blinkin'. And twitchin'" Then Rose is like: "He *_is_* blinking, Dorothy" 😆
Mei Ling.
@@StayGoldenGirls "hasn't she suffered enough?"
@@StayGoldenGirls I love Rose's scenario speech if Blanche doesn't tell Dorothy! And of course the Andi Bo Bo line! Classic Rose
I find it ironic that Dorothy and Rose were amazing mothers in the show and their kids ended up being rude, reckless, and selfish people (except Kate) while Blanche wasn’t such a great mother and her kids are very like-able such as Rebecca and even Janet to an extent.
I feel you on that!
Honestly, Janet’s anger and resentment towards her mother seemed unnecessary
@@StayGoldenGirls I hated Rebecca.
Michael was a prime example of one of the bad kids on the show. First, sleeping with Rose's daughter and fast forward to Season 5 (The last time we saw him, he quits his job and just plays around with his life)..
I never was fond of his attitude and the way he treated Dorothy.
If I had to choose between Rebecca and Janet, Rebecca is the one who is way better than Janet. Rebecca is kind and wants a relationship with her mother unlike her other children. We never see her sons and Janet seems to like dumping her kids on Blanche while treating her like dirt
I honestly think Miles was perfect for Rose, but the writers ruined him in the Golden Palace and labeled him as a cheater.
Same with Jerry, I was genuinely curious to how the writers would write his and Balnche's relationship and wanted to see it work. But the big guy never appeared again...
I hear you.
I feel there's a couple relationships of Blanche's that might have worked out if the writers had decided to do so. Besides Jerry, Blanche dated a blind guy named John Quinn and they seemed to have worked out their issues by the end of the episode he was on to have a real relationship.
John was nice for sure. And there is always Mel the zipper king.
Wow I didn't knew this about miles. I barely watched GP anyways
@@emt874 She really blew it with the gruff chef he was adorable!!
Both Kirstens were horrible daughters! (And by the way, the actresses who played Kirsten were SO different look and acting wise, like the two Rebeccas).
Totally
Especially in the one when Rose had the heart attack and wouldn't let the other girls see Rose until towards the end of the episode
@@StayGoldenGirls Also the two Holly's. Rose,s sister was also blind played by Polly Holiday!!
Agreed. Blonde then redhead lol
@@motherlove202 Yeah I wanted to throw hands at that point.
Patrick Vaughn was the best 😄
Dorothy "He made me feel beautiful"
Blanche "He made me feel young"
Rose "He made me feel smart"
Dorothy "God what an actor"
🤣🤣🤣
😍😍💖💓
The bigoted next door neighbor who wouldn't pay for damages caused by fallen tree, the house inspector that almost separated the girls, Rose's other daughter who wouldn't let the other ladies visit Rose when she had a heart attack .
Good call. We may have to do a third installment
I feel the inspector was doing his job and seemed happy when they found a solution. Kirsten was definitely a horrible, infuriating person. The neighbor was definitely a jerk as well
@@StayGoldenGirlsPlease do!
Stanley honestly could have an entire video dedicated to himself
We do! We have a Stan list!
Yeah he was a real scum bag. Especially in the episode where he absolutely refuses to marry her again until she signs a prenup to secure his assets even though the first time they married then divorced because of his adultery.
@@nicolenewsome4863 I hated him he was such a pain in the butt. He mistreated Dorothy.
and his mother who always took his pictures down whenever he left lol
I hate that character. Every time he comes on I fast forward the scene. There’s just something about his character that irritates me.
Honestly I don't hate Lily, I don't see why someone would, she was just struggling with being blind suddenly, and by the end of the episode she was able to go to the school to learn how to live her life without seeing, people aren't perfect, she wasn't a liar or a cheat
Understood
"Go hug a mine, Stan!" Unparalleled, and her delivery perfect!
:)
land mine
I dont agree with all of these. I mean, lily has gone through so much and with trying to deal with being blind. Also miles loved rose, although i havent seen golden palace i know miles left rose but there must have been a reason why. Also which episode is the jasper guy from?
Every episode is listed in th description.
Legit kinda felt putting Lily was a cheap shot
Its possibly narcissism and/or psychopathy in these people who hate blind, disabled and sick who can't function much anymore. I have symptoms of a rare disorder and cancer - bent sternum, special ed for several years, failed several grades and maybe going blind from Homocystinuria plus had a test show cancer and have end stage symptoms. Its not right and just evil when I get hate or no (reasonable) empathy. These People need to go through something life changing and Permanently bad with no empathy from others for decades. People need to know what its like to suffer in some way.
It's a show!
The more you look into The Golden Girls, the more you realize how much depth was there and why people still love it (and hate these characters!).
Mhn
#1 is like a male blanche. only he foolishly dated 3 friends/roommates. if they'd been 3 strangers... he might have gotten away with it. it's still wrong but i'm glad he got caught.
The whole "bringing real drama onto stage and the audience believes its part of the play" I hated
Understood
I hear that.
well the show must go on. if everyone realized it was real, might have ruined the play. and this way they get to humiliate him without messing up the play.
@@Mike0908 Well he already ruined the play. Might as well call an intermission and handle it backstage
I’m glad Gloria made the list. She may come around in the end, but she’s really an obnoxious person who had everything handed to her in life, she thinks she better then Dorothy even when her life falls apart, and Sophia constantly is taking her side no matter the situation. In fact, she’s pretty pathetic considering in season one she confessed to Dorothy that Sophia never had hope for her to make it on her own and counted on her marrying rich. Overall, I really don’t care for her.
Yeah the fact her mom is even like. Marry rich girl or you are doomed. Some people have said oh but she apologized. Nah. She shouldn't have done it in the first. Place
What's also crazy is Gloria's first appearance she wasn't that bad! She was likable and got along well with Dorothy, even after they fight over their mother. They ruined her in the last season and I'll never forgive the writers for that
Did you know, Patrick also played that hair dresser dude in that flashback?
Indeed
@@StayGoldenGirls which I didn't know until I found out a long time ago. I didn't recognize him, because he had a beard.
Oh yeah. It's funny how facial hair can completely change a person
@@StayGoldenGirls ikr
Almost sad to watch the episode with blanche and Virginia and the kidney knowing how things end for them with big daddy's death.
I hear that
Dorothy's teacher Mr. Gordon
Def. He is in part 1 if you missed it
What about the author Barbara Thorndike or mean Mrs. Claxton?
See part 1
"He put his big strong hands around my tiny little waist"
Ha
Dorothy back to Blanche
"He allegedly put his big strong hands around your ALLEGED tiny little waist!!"
waist
Kiersten is the worst. If I'd spoken to my mum like that, she'd have belted me across the face.
I hear that
That Kirsten only taught her daughter that Charlie was rich and nothing more says a lot….
Agreed
I can’t hate Miles to be honest. He was protecting himself and then Rose against a dangerous man. He didn’t do it to be malicious or because he was a pathological liar.
Edit: I just found out he cheated on her on The Golden Palace. I never finished it, so never mind what I said earlier lol.
Hahahah. You are like he is dead to me now
I don't consider it to be canon 😂
Fair
Miles and Rose were so perfect for each other. Sham it never lasted.
I hear you
Miles was always one of my favorite. Writers didn’t know what to do with him
I hear that
wonderful actor, played that role perfectly
I think it isn't just that. Long distance relationships are difficult and Rose left for good... So they either had to bring him back with the new series (not even sure the actor wanted to continue) or separate them.
There wasn’t a single episode where they didn’t talk about a serious issue
Also the music between scenes isn’t the generic jaunty music in sitcoms it’s calm slow music that makes you forget that you’re watching a sitcom
I don't necessarily agree that every episode had a heavy serious topic. I think plenty did and many were just humor and laughs
Very good point on the music. I yearn for the days where that was accepted/desirable. Everything is so grating these days!
If I'm going to "love to hate" Miles it's for marrying that weirdo Fern over Rose in Golden Palace. Everyone else I agree with on this list.
That's fair. We don't use Golden Palace but he was terrible there.
That’s fine. She deserved much better and I guess that’s how the show got Rid of dead weight. The show was starting to sink anyway.
I only saw 1 or 2 shows of golden palace. Unwatchable. That's why I remember nothing of it. Glad I didn't miss anything 😅
Kirsten is my #1 hated character
Understandable
I liked Miles He has a interesting back story
I can see why some would like him. Many do not but thats why the show is different to each
I think he really loved Rose but his past eventually caught up to him But he was a good guy
Ever since our final beloved Golden Girl Betty White passed away I've been on a Golden Girls binge. And I'm ok with that.
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I didn’t hate miles until he cheated on her in golden palace
I hear that
Even though the Miles thing made no sense, I think some of us would have been like Sophia and gave that name and address.
Hahaha
Hi Courtney and crew!
I hope you all are well.
Miles always rubbed me the wrong way. Even though they were an amazing couple.
Even going further to discuss The Golden Palace, Miles dumps Rose and runs to marry another woman.
So unfortunate and saddening because they went through so much together.
Great video.
#StayGolden
It's SO messed up how Miles treats her when you think of it in total. The running off part is the cherry on the terrible cake.
I never liked Miles either. I didn't know why til I saw GP. There was just something off about him from the start.
Rose family and friends always wanting her to go to Chicago.
Mm
11:46 Is that Meshach Taylor from Designing Women?
By the way a very good video.
Sure is.
Thank you for watching and support!
Why Lily is hated she’s one of my favorites. Yes she did get mad at Rose but she isn’t mean in fact she is more nicer than Holly.
I understand
Golden Girls recast so many characters it was like a soap opera, there should be a video list about that, I think only Stan, Michael and Virginia came back more than once with the same face 😂
Yeah
Also about Gil looking back it's shitty that he was the first trans character in the show and his entire status as a trans man is made into a punchline and a plot twist
I agree
What I really hated about Gil
was using Blanche as an
attempt to boost his own
confidence by claiming
he slept with her.
But that episode also angers
me b c once again, political
figures and celebrities can't
have any privacy with their
personal life.
Blanche was kinda childish
at the end as well, crossing
her fingers after possibly
' stretching the truth' some
more with the others.
Even as a bonus, I'm glad you
mentioned Ted, who's not that
much different than Stan, with
having younger women as
partners or flings. I loved how
Dorothy embarrassed him
towards the end, that was a
riot!
@@tonyb0904 That was a pretty funny thing cause i would probably do that
@@tonyb0904 As in the Ted thing
Never knew that. Wow.
I forgot to add Ted
Ted for sure. He made the first list.
@@StayGoldenGirls Oh I was remembering Dorothy declared his impotency
Gotcha
I never understood the Miles story line, 10 episodes before his reveal, his Daughter visited him, She was even angry at Rose. But then he was in witness protection and never spoke to friends and family???
Preach!!!
Same. And I hated Caroline!
As Lily, Rose's sister. I think that was Polly Holliday from the show Alice.
Cool
Yes, it was her.
OMG, you are right I didn't notice at the time but now that you mentioned it. It is so obviously Polly "Kiss my grits" Holiday
With her famous line: Kiss my Grits!
Alice was another brilliant show. I also loved Kate and Allie, which premiered around the same time as The Golden Girls.
I miss the 70s and 80s. The best era ever. Clothes. Style. Chic. Everything.
And for the record, Charlie’s Angels and Policewoman were the best cop shows.
That era simply ruled!
Don't forget the b-witchy Mrs. Deagle from Gremlins and Gloria in a brief
cameo from Mrs. Doubtfire.
I despised Mrs Deagle more than Gloria though: insulting Billy and his dad
after the snowman was destroyed, (although admittedly, bringing Barney to
work with him probably wasn't the best move) Her blackmailing him into
giving Barney to her to be put-down, ess for no good reason, and then
gleefully taunting him about what she'd do if he refused.
Mrs. Deagle and F. Claxton had a lot in common: I wanted to deck them
both a few times, and didn't really care when Mrs D was killed by the
mutated gremlins. Sometimes, you reap what you sow.
And just for the record, I didn't hate Lily, but I do think Rose mis-worded
some things, when people have to adjust to newly being blind or going deaf
it's an adaptive process and shouldn't be rushed. Have a good one folks!
I didn’t even know people hated lily and miles
They do indeed. Many people personally requested.
Jasper was a real ***hole. And Ernie was also for using Rose. But I loved Rose when she said "if he can find it he can have it" 😂😂😂. Also NOTHING would make me miss my father's funeral shame on Blanche for that.
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I’m still shook over Miles
Understandable
Oh damn, the daughter was on the list…my bad. She definitely needs to be on it.
Indeed
8:48
"im not a snitch, im an informant"
"oh a snitch in a tie!"
this show is so hilarious
💚😂
I loved Patrick Vaughn!
What an actor
Whose lens was that?
Would have liked if you treated this video like a Golden Grades, and you told us why you hate these characters. I love Miles!
These were fan submissions for who the next 12 should be. But it could make a good future grade like video for sure this combined with the first.
Please do a list of the crazy siblings.
1. Holly
2. Virginia
3. Clayton
4. Lilly
5. Charmaine
6. Gloria
7. Angelo
8. Angela
9. Phil
10. Stan's brother
11. Stan's crazy Russian cousin
That's a solid list there
@@StayGoldenGirls Why exactly was Clayton crazy? What, because he was gay?
@@rigeur071 or Phil for being cross-dresser?
Wasn't she (Magda) Czech?
@@robertrs00 yes, she was! Actually, Checzoslovakian as you would say by then 😁
I hated Roses greedy-ass daughter and I hated Miles selfish, controlling daughter.
Oh yes
As a GG junkie, I don’t agree with Miles being on this list. I actually liked miles. I was annoyed that they didn’t end up together.
Understood
Gosh, the only one I really hated was Buddy O'Rourke because he tried to screw wonderful, trusting Rose out of her money. J DeKimmel, the cantankerous artist was awful but that episode was so dam funny I forgot to despise him.
Buddy was terrible to try and scam Rose using the memory of Charlie
BOTH Kirsten's needed to take several seats, followed by a slap.
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McClean Stevenson, has brought so many smiles.
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6:15 - Sock 'em good Blanche.
Heyo
I still say Trudy would have made a comedic recurring character
Understood
is nobody talking about how patrick triple timed all three of the girls? how horrible, i couldnt imagine
He does suck
I liked Miles
Fair. some certainly do
@@StayGoldenGirls Nice list
He's good, but the writers ruined him in the golden palace
@@lisannawilfhelm5819 I agree
Leaving Rose like that!
No.4....POLLY HOLIDAY,Flo from "ALICE" I thought that she was going to tell Rose to "KISS MY GRITS" because she wasn't going back to Chicago with her.
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I do not agree with Kirsten, Miles, Lily, and Gloria on the list.
Kirsten was upset because she was lied to and it took a while for her to see her mother’s reasoning on why Rose lied about Charlie being a success.
Miles did love Rose and you can see it through the later seasons. The writers did his character dirty in Golden Palace.
Lily was blind, going from a independent lifestyle to being dependent is frustrating. I think a lot of people would react like she did. What Lily went through is something anyone would find terrifying because your losing your sight, something we are used to and dependent on.
Gloria did care about her sister, she even apologized to Dorothy later in the second part episode for sleeping with Stan because she saw how much of a pig he is. She realized she was wrong and wanted nothing to do with him. Sofia even admits to setting up the relationship, Sofia knew how Stan was but she did it anyway because she did not think of the consequence of how Dorothy would react.
Understood
Or Virginia, she was spot on about Blanche being a bastion of selfishness. Her actions during her father's funeral were inexcusable. She did not even apologize for acting like that. As much as her father had been her rock and support all Blanche did was antagonize her sister who was right. Blanche had a heart but she did not show it then. She was way out of line.
Kirsten was ok compared with the lady that played her (other?) bitchy daughter when Rose went into the hospital & tried to prevent them from visitation because they technically weren't "family".
Actually, no.
All of these people were victimizing themselves and were really very selfish or self centered people who gaslighted their victim one way or another.
Kirsten (I’ll start with her since I’ve hated both renditions of her most), only cared about her father’s money and reputation as evidenced by her daughter’s comments on how she wanted to marry someone rich because that’s all she ever heard of her grandfather. She was expecting a bigger share of the money she thought her father had earned, which is a total bitch move, since that money (if there was any ) was most certainly for Rose as the mother and wife!
Lily also played the victim after putting on a brave face to seem more pathetic than she really was and it was that victimization and gaslighting that forced Rose to tell her to fend for herself.
Gloria was Considered self-centered because she would never “slum it with this side of the family”, as Stan states until her only achievement (marrying money) was gone. Another brave face act, like Lily’s and then she collapses in front of the very people she’s snubbed and belittled all those years!
And then she “gets conned ” to get hooked up with her sister’s rich ex husband (twice!!!)
They should’ve added Sophia to this list for constantly harassing, belittling, insulting, Conning and using Dorothy all this time and to put salt in the wound, Asking Dorothy why she never liked her “good daughter”. Then she hooks Dorothy’s ex con husband on Gloria and thinks it’s permissible because “mother knows best”?!?
Dorothy should’ve kicked all three of those deadbeats out of her life and married John Neretti!
And finally, Stan.
Oh Stan…
That narcissistic chauvinist that could only exist in the 80’s & 90’s…..
he got what he deserved in that he ended up alone and watched the ONE GOOD thing in his life walk down the isle on the arm of a better human being.
And so there you have it, dear.
Thank you and good night. 🌙
Oh. Ps. Miles might be said to have done the same to Rose that Rose did to Kirsten so that makes him a bad guy by your reasoning. He was also cheap, possessive and insecure and very manipulative towards Rose!!!
Hasn’t she suffered enough with her own family members doing that to her?!? I’m glad he got nowhere with Rose, she deserved better. If only Buzz wasn’t such a selfish bastard too, they’d be a cute couple that would’ve traveled Europe.
@@moimeme6533 For the longest time, I thought they recast Kirsten in that hospital episode. But now I think that Rose had *two* daughters named Kirsten, each named in honor of different relatives. :)
Some of these people on this list don’t belong on “hate” list. Miles, Kirsten, Lily, Gloria, Virginia, , it isn’t like they meant to hurt or meant to cause any trouble, they just had a certain feeling or circumstance that caused a situation.
Well this is what people voted for so ... I don't know what to tell you
kirsten wasn't a nice person and Gloria was messed up by sophia which messed up her relationship with dorothy. Still at their age gloria should have done some therapy or self reflection and improvement to realize that taking out her animosity for sophia out on dorothy was just silly. I'm so glad therapy is more widely accepted today.
I hate all of these characters
I feel you.
12:52 is this Proof that dorothy a Lannister?😅🦁
We do have a whole dorothy game of thrones playlist
Kirsten, another poor choice for GG characters we love to hate. Kirsten is the one who is lied to by Rose in this episode until the very end. And i think it is very understandable her reaction when she thinks Rose squandered all the money she thought her father left behind. But in the end, when she learns the truth she forgives her mother. Virginia, i also disagree with. She and Blanche apparently fought their whole lives. I feel her reaction to Blanche's selfish behavior throughout the years is reasonable. And let's not forget how the episode started. Blanche's selfish behavior. Her father asked specifically to see Blanche but she didn't go because she was queen of a ball. I understand why she is on the list but i still disagree
I am going to disagree with you about Kirsten. A child has no entitlement to what money their parents made or items they acquired. What her mother does is her mother's business and she wasn't at all asking Kirsten for money or relying on her. The reaction about her mother's personal business, between her and Charlie, is not hers to meddle in, unasked.
@@StayGoldenGirls This all the way!
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I like how these characters come together especially blanche despite constantly being termed a slut she knew her worth and cared more about her friends
Mhhm
I don't think she was as promiscuous as she pretended to be.
Thank god Kirsten is on here, I hated her. Season 1 was strange tbh.
I hear that
@@StayGoldenGirls their characters changed quite a lot after season one. Rose got more nieve and dumb, Blanche more openly sexual less debonaire, Dorothy and Sophia generally remain the same just better versions
Considering all of the terrible dates and boyfriends the girls had, George from Beatlemania doesn't look too bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah! 😂
The series is so good, it doesn't seem at all dated.
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Legit went in thinking the list would be like-
1. Stan
2. Stan's brother
3. Stan
4. Freida Claxton
5. Stan
6. Kirsten
7. You get the rest 😂
Hahaha. Stan def would hit it multiple times
i liked lily and even though rose's daughter was mean, she had a good to be. i like the villian vidoes but how about a list of the best parenting moments on the show.
What suggestions would you have for best parenting moments?
@@StayGoldenGirls blanche mothering the cop who got shot ( George Clooney), the girls taking care of the children for the parents who running in the same marathon that Sofia was running in.
@@StayGoldenGirls How about Dorothy's speech to Dennis after his affair
in season 2? Very compassionate but also honest. I dunno what
happened to that mindset with today's parental units. It was also nice
that Stan backed her up during said speech.
There's plenty of others that I can't pinpoint right now, give me time.
kristen has no right to be mean to rose about money her father earned not her. It was telling the way she was teaching her daughter that charlie only knew her grandpa was rich and that she wanted to marry a rich man. Disgusting.
I would not have included Virginia on the list. Everything she said was true. Blanche would not go see her father because she was going to a citrus festival.
Okay
Even tho everything she said might be true, Virginia was also very selfish. Like in the one Episode where she only wanted Blanche‘s Kidney.
Yes, Ik Virginia needing a Kidney is very sad and scary. I understand that. But why did she only want Blanche as a Kidney donor (until the very end where she got a other kidney from someone else)?
I feel you on this one
I mentioned this in the other collection: Rose and Dorothy are very moral people. They have no patience for jerks or hypocrites. Rose isn't stupid, just immature and naive.
That is true
The actor who played Kirsten in this particular scene plays Kirsten so differently from the way the other actor portrayed her in the hospital episode. I actually felt like the Kirsten in this episode was truly concerned for her father's hard work, and how Rose could have squandered his hard-earned money away. Of course, I place part of the blame on Rose for lying to her kids about who their father really was, and for making him sound like someone that he wasn't. If they had known the truth about their dad, it's possible that they would have appreciated what they had more. In the hospital episode, I wanted to smack Kirsten for her aloof, bratty attitude.
Even though Miles lied to Rose about his real identity, I feel bad for him due to the situation that he was in. It certainly would have been awkward for Rose, but he had to live his life the best way that he could, including his love life.
As far as Virginia is concerned, the only person to "hate" in that scene was Blanche because Virginia is dead on target about her being selfish. The truth bites like a rattlesnake sometimes.
Thank you so much for sharing!
Kirsten was always so mean in the episodes she was in, had no idea how she could have been related to Rose. She was probablly my least favorite Golden Child. I actually really loved Miles and thought he was perfect for Rose and vice versa. I like to pretend the show ended with them getting married rather than the incredibly infuriating ending we actually got-- just like I like to pretend Dorothy never left instead of getting married to a guy she had known for at best a few weeks. :P
I understand wanting to imagine the universe where a dorothy stayed
Lily shouldn't be on the list. Kirsten yes. She only cares about money. I wish we meet Skippy, Blanche's son. Also, does anyone know which of Dorothy's children was the firstborn? I never quite figured it out.
I think it's supposed to be Michael
😂How sweet of the PAtrick character doing his best to keep discreet secrets. Up until the throw of course. The throw before another knot gets tied. Afrer offering the usual recommendation through example or outright saying so. Whichever comes first. Getting a pair of contact lenses to look discreet.
I hear you
I just hate Dorothy and Rose’s daughters so much. Imagine one guilted her mother into compromising with her coward cheating father and got mad when Dorothy tried to protect her from her own cheating husband. And the other told her daughter nothing other than her grandpa was rich then got mad at her mother for spending his money. Not to mention the cruel way Rose’s daughter spoke to the girls when she was hospitalized and in critical care.
Preach!!! She was so nasty to the girls when Rose had her heart attack
Why wasn't Rose entitled to spend her husbands money?? Wtf..🤔
I hear you.
She didn’t spend it. Her husband lost it.
What was the problem with Buddy O'Rourke?
He tried to Con rose into thinking he knew Charlie to get $$
I forgot how Patrick literally dropped Dorothy when Rose walked in xD
He sure did!
We get to hate #5 more in The Golden Palace...
Mm
I never watched the golden palace but Miles was nice abd good for Rose 🤷🏽♀️
Sadly on that show he cheats and leaves her
People hate miles ?!! 😳
They sure do. I mean. He did lie to her. Put her in danger. Was cheap ... Daughter was rude
Miles was in witness protection. My question is how did his daughter know where he was?
EXACTLY!!
I loved watching Blanche punch him in the chest
Mmm
Brilliant
Hope you enjoyed the first one too
I wish people wouldn’t take this list so seriously.
I feel you.
Who played the 2nd Kirsten in the episode where rose 🌹is in the hospital 🏥 with the heart attack ?
If have to Google that
Couldnt stand Miles. Rose deserved better.
Me too!!
Some hot takes here!
Hahaha. A few!
Both of these lists were on point in their own ways.
Thank you!
Believe this 'aroma' has been in existence for sometime since.
Nothing new.
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