Milo, I've watched a lot of other youtube videos by other very good teachers, and no one teaches the all-important shallowing of the club like you. I've tried for decades and it never worked. Drop the hands, let gravity take over, and whatever other BS they said. By doing the upper left arm rotation, I found all my balls going a lot straighter and yes, even farther. I didn't know what was happening until I realized my club is automatically getting into "the slot". It's just not difficult at all with your instruction. You're a good teacher Milo, big thanks for your help.
Wow. Best explanation of proper transition out there (all 3 videos). Plus your swing is the sweetest. Not very common in the teaching community. Thanks Milo!
Great!!! Physics is so great and basically easy... The club will follow where your hands travel. If you swing your arms parallel to your shoulder (90° to your spine) your shaft will be 90° to your spine like all baseball players do and all the legends did. If you start moving your hands closer to parallel to your spine the more upright it will look causing a lot of issues like not being able to rotate, control the face, early extension and so on. Since I try to move my arms closer to parallel to my shoulders there is no early extension no worries about beeing stuck or to steep... I still have a long way to go to be consistent but without it I would never ever be possible to have good lag tension at impact... Thanks Milo
Milo, when i sit in transition and push away i feel like i lose my arm structure and face control. How would you recommend maintaining arm structure in the downswing while also keeping them free of tension?
Milo, no video I've ever watched has helped me more than the one you discussed/used your "hitting station"! It has helped me get to the best contact I've ever had. However, I'm never sure if I set it up just right. Would you be willing to do a detailed video on how to set it up? For instance, I'm never sure how far outside the target line the plane stick should be etc...thanks in advance!
So much here! A key for me is the *internal* rotation of the lead arm. Without that the club can't shallow. This made me wonder, like the baseball "bat tipper" you like, if we should take care to NOT let it rotate internally in the backswing but keep it neutral? If it internally rotates on the *backswing* (lots of arm rotation) then there's no room to add torque / tilts in transition. In the demo swing you showed of the baseball player that started with the club already laid down, there was little/no internal rotation of the lead shoulder in that swing. Also I never knew the right hip stayed level with or even higher than the left in the downswing!
Great video. The best instructors don’t just tell you what you need to do, but how (and if needed, why). You seem to be great at this. I’m in AZ and definitely going to contact you for a lesson or ten.
Hi Stephen, depends on the player and their grip, but for the typically stronger grip I recommend, yes, it's a little to the trail side of the grip. Here is a full video on this: ruclips.net/video/FkxERRoW59o/видео.html
Great instruction, thank you!! When you say 'pivot', is this like a squatting or sitting down move? George Gankas advocates this squatting movement whilst the club is at the top of the backswing, apparently shallowing out the club naturally! Is this the right way of going about it plse? Cheers Andrew
@@MiloLinesGolf it’s what you said! I have learned so much watching many of your videos, you do a spectacular job of not just shutting down a swing but explaining why something is better. Which is why I choose your technique over Mike Malaska (even though you work with him). Here is a tip for you if you ever have an instructional book published , don’t make it so cumbersome it’s a pain to use! I purchased Mikes and it is way to big to comfortably hold and read.
Great video Milo! I found it my self it is harder to square the face when trying to shallow unnaturally... doable if I can practice 8 hours a day, but for amateur like me, it is too high maintenance
Hey Milo, I have really been working on the pivot the last week. Right now I am still doing the movement pretty slowly. When doing the pivot slowly will I see any shallowing if I am doing it right or does it take the movement done at a normal speed that causes the shallowing?
Good stuff. I’ve seen a lot of terrible videos like you described where the instructor advises to shallow it with arms; needless to say I could never make that work.
Again, lead arm.... when the lead arm internally rotates, doesnt that lay the face open? Does that arm then externally rotate or ride the chest through impact? It seems impossible to "cover the ball" with that lead arm in that position. Thanks.
Does Malaska really tip the club out or does he just think (feel) he is? I can see what you are doing but I can't see what he is doing. It would be interesting to see his swing on gears.
Ive never played baseball but I would say golf would be like the athletic action required if the batter decided at the last minute to sling the bat at the pitcher!
Question about lead arm adduction. I am not contesting what you say, but would invite your clarification. When the lead arm adducts, how much of the angle to the chest is lost? Do you want that lead arm laid across the chest? AMG ran a video that showed it is important to keep some angle there, and showed with the avitar how the best players did just that. ruclips.net/video/eKHd5XKeyTo/видео.html Your comments. Thanks
You can adduct the left arm but you can still have the right elbow rotate internally and have the Classic right elbow trailing the hip with a steep shaft, no? Steep but with depth not steep ‘over the top’. Trail arm has to initially lead with the elbow at the same time as left arm adduction. That’s what kicks the shaft back, like a pitcher or a hitter it’s a trail arm throwing motion. Not everyone automatically does that. You do cause your a good baseball player and probably never gave it a second thought. People who don’t throw athletically with trail arm aren’t gonna find it in they’re golf swing either. Not dumping on your information at all btw, it’s good. Just my additional two cents.
plentyofouts for sure the trail shoulder must either externally rotate or the trail forearm must supinate or a combination of both to get the shaft to kick correctly.
@@MiloLinesGolf at bs, lead arm externally rotate, and trail arm internally rotate, the torque at the top will contribute to shallowing ? In transition, either arm tend to do opposite rotation.thanks.
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This is the most sensible approach to shallowing I've seen. The footage of Dana combined with your commentary pretty much say it all. Thanks-
Glad you enjoyed it!
Milo, I've watched a lot of other youtube videos by other very good teachers, and no one teaches the all-important shallowing of the club like you. I've tried for decades and it never worked. Drop the hands, let gravity take over, and whatever other BS they said. By doing the upper left arm rotation, I found all my balls going a lot straighter and yes, even farther. I didn't know what was happening until I realized my club is automatically getting into "the slot". It's just not difficult at all with your instruction. You're a good teacher Milo, big thanks for your help.
Wow. Best explanation of proper transition out there (all 3 videos). Plus your swing is the sweetest. Not very common in the teaching community. Thanks Milo!
Great!!!
Physics is so great and basically easy... The club will follow where your hands travel. If you swing your arms parallel to your shoulder (90° to your spine) your shaft will be 90° to your spine like all baseball players do and all the legends did. If you start moving your hands closer to parallel to your spine the more upright it will look causing a lot of issues like not being able to rotate, control the face, early extension and so on.
Since I try to move my arms closer to parallel to my shoulders there is no early extension no worries about beeing stuck or to steep... I still have a long way to go to be consistent but without it I would never ever be possible to have good lag tension at impact... Thanks Milo
Milo, when i sit in transition and push away i feel like i lose my arm structure and face control. How would you recommend maintaining arm structure in the downswing while also keeping them free of tension?
After 50 years handaktion play, Skeptiker but After Long Training is working, longer, powerfull and fun, thank you
You welcome Jan, although I don't quite understand the first part of your comment, sorry.
Milo, no video I've ever watched has helped me more than the one you discussed/used your "hitting station"! It has helped me get to the best contact I've ever had. However, I'm never sure if I set it up just right. Would you be willing to do a detailed video on how to set it up? For instance, I'm never sure how far outside the target line the plane stick should be etc...thanks in advance!
Just phenomenal! I found you and mike and now I feel like I know how the swing works. I love how you both explain everything.
Great video Milo
Best explanation I've seen. Thanks!
I like it when you publish a video that addresses something that I’ve been thinking about!
Jay Schwarz 👍
@Golfletics great job ... and you kept it simple ... I liked how you showed the pros vs cons of the different methods ...
Golden Gate thanks
Right video at the right time 😊. Thank you.
Great explanation! Thank you... any drills to help train a right side bend.? I have a challenge with that move
So much here! A key for me is the *internal* rotation of the lead arm. Without that the club can't shallow. This made me wonder, like the baseball "bat tipper" you like, if we should take care to NOT let it rotate internally in the backswing but keep it neutral? If it internally rotates on the *backswing* (lots of arm rotation) then there's no room to add torque / tilts in transition. In the demo swing you showed of the baseball player that started with the club already laid down, there was little/no internal rotation of the lead shoulder in that swing.
Also I never knew the right hip stayed level with or even higher than the left in the downswing!
Scott Harmon for sure I like the lead arm to stay neutral in the backswing so it has some range of motion remaining for the IR in transition.
Scott Harmon ruclips.net/video/ItcAddGtCLg/видео.html shows me teaching this exact thing to a student last year😉
I get the part about the internal rotation of the lead arm, but don't you still have to rotate the hands in order to plane the club?
Great video. The best instructors don’t just tell you what you need to do, but how (and if needed, why). You seem to be great at this. I’m in AZ and definitely going to contact you for a lesson or ten.
Awesome!!
Is the lead thumb are right side of grip, like 3 o clock?
Hi Stephen, depends on the player and their grip, but for the typically stronger grip I recommend, yes, it's a little to the trail side of the grip. Here is a full video on this: ruclips.net/video/FkxERRoW59o/видео.html
this is money thx. milo...great content so glad I found your channel !
Great info milo - could you share the doctors name that you referenced? Thank you
would it be easier just to think of turning into the left arm in the downswing??
Great instruction, thank you!! When you say 'pivot', is this like a squatting or sitting down move? George Gankas advocates this squatting movement whilst the club is at the top of the backswing, apparently shallowing out the club naturally!
Is this the right way of going about it plse?
Cheers
Andrew
Andrew Ferguson That’s part of it in, the reflexing of the body has to be accompanied by rotation as well
@@MiloLinesGolf
Cheers, so making sure you rotate through all the way to a finish?
Andrew
Andrew Ferguson the pivot is the body’s motion.
It’s got Koepkas’ build I think your right!
Koepka!
@@MiloLinesGolf it’s what you said! I have learned so much watching many of your videos, you do a spectacular job of not just shutting down a swing but explaining why something is better. Which is why I choose your technique over Mike Malaska (even though you work with him). Here is a tip for you if you ever have an instructional book published , don’t make it so cumbersome it’s a pain to use! I purchased Mikes and it is way to big to comfortably hold and read.
Does this go against your prior video about trail arm unfolding in the downswing which shallows the club?
Irvin Lee no the club shallows in early transition in this way and the trail arm begins lengthening very shortly after
Great video Milo! I found it my self it is harder to square the face when trying to shallow unnaturally... doable if I can practice 8 hours a day, but for amateur like me, it is too high maintenance
Hey Milo, I have really been working on the pivot the last week. Right now I am still doing the movement pretty slowly. When doing the pivot slowly will I see any shallowing if I am doing it right or does it take the movement done at a normal speed that causes the shallowing?
Depends on a few variables. I like to make sure it does when practicing slowly
Great video Milo. The first video of the skeletons pelvis shows clearly how to move the pelvis properly.
ROLEX GOLD advice! I'm taking this to the bank!!
Todd Bassett thanks Tbass
Good stuff. I’ve seen a lot of terrible videos like you described where the instructor advises to shallow it with arms; needless to say I could never make that work.
Jeff Leyman let physics work! 👊
So the abduction of the arm in the downswing lets you naturally shallow the club?
Torque, Abduction and etc...still learning what he is trying to convey.
Gary Sheffield comes to mind.
Like your tip. When I try to force shallowing with hands or arms it feels unnatural and disrupts my swing and tempo.
Again, lead arm....
when the lead arm internally rotates, doesnt that lay the face open?
Does that arm then externally rotate or ride the chest through impact? It seems impossible to "cover the ball" with that lead arm in that position.
Thanks.
The lead shoulder remains in internal rotation. The body needs to open more than it was at address.
Does Malaska really tip the club out or does he just think (feel) he is? I can see what you are doing but I can't see what he is doing. It would be interesting to see his swing on gears.
No Mike gets it across and it shallows in transition. I try not to teach feelings because everyone feels differently.
Just what Ben Hogan said in Five Lessons
Now, if I could learn to rotate correctly in the downswing ill be golden. One thing at a time.
A process indeed Troy! Thanks for watching!
Ive never played baseball but I would say golf would be like the athletic action required if the batter decided at the last minute to sling the bat at the pitcher!
What hole is that?
bill enright it’s an alternate tee on 15 Lost Gold.
not sure I know what internal vs. external rotation means
i dont know exactly what you mean by the word abducting as in the lead arm abducting
michael natter the word is adduction which means it gets more across your chest
Question about lead arm adduction.
I am not contesting what you say, but would invite your clarification.
When the lead arm adducts, how much of the angle to the chest is lost? Do you want that lead arm laid across the chest?
AMG ran a video that showed it is important to keep some angle there, and showed with the avitar how the best players did just that.
ruclips.net/video/eKHd5XKeyTo/видео.html
Your comments.
Thanks
You can adduct the left arm but you can still have the right elbow rotate internally and have the Classic right elbow trailing the hip with a steep shaft, no? Steep but with depth not steep ‘over the top’. Trail arm has to initially lead with the elbow at the same time as left arm adduction. That’s what kicks the shaft back, like a pitcher or a hitter it’s a trail arm throwing motion. Not everyone automatically does that. You do cause your a good baseball player and probably never gave it a second thought. People who don’t throw athletically with trail arm aren’t gonna find it in they’re golf swing either. Not dumping on your information at all btw, it’s good. Just my additional two cents.
plentyofouts for sure the trail shoulder must either externally rotate or the trail forearm must supinate or a combination of both to get the shaft to kick correctly.
@@MiloLinesGolf at bs, lead arm externally rotate, and trail arm internally rotate, the torque at the top will contribute to shallowing ? In transition, either arm tend to do opposite rotation.thanks.
Tony Liu yes There’s an online lesson with Emmanuel where I teach that exact principle
It is much easier to do this in baseball when the heft of the bat naturally creates lag and shallowing. Also - no clubface to deal with.
spakuloid very true but it can be learned 😁
Ahhh yes...baseball & golf. If you can somehow include bbq, you might be on to something😉👍
bogey man I love some good BBQ
Triangulation for sure! Great video
Thanks!
Baseball? Not Hockey?
Yeah right
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shallow move debunked!!!!
Hardest move in golf
I can make it easy for you!!
'Shallowing ' is such an artificial and ugly word. Who came up with it??