RTX 3080 Temperature Testing... Not the result we expected
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- A lot of people expected the 3080 FE cooler to cause issues for the CPU... but we didn't expect it to actually HELP cool the CPU...
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yes warm air can cool your parts if the parts are hotter than the warm air... thermals!
It may not make sense when you read it, but it does make sense in reality
Don't bring actual science and conscious thought into this. Its an internet discussion. Sci-fi rules and arguments only.
I don't fully understand this, so forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't cool air well cool the CPU faster.
@@venomcuregaming6734 The answer is yes. The issue is how much cooler the air would have been otherwise and how much of a difference that would make given the temperature differential that will already be needed for heat to leave the CPU and move down the heat pipes. Traditional graphics cards already dump most of their heat into the case. The claim was that the configuration of this GPU fan would somehow direct hotter more concentrated air directly to your CPU cooler intake. This always seemed silly and far fetched to me, and testing confirms. GPUs put heat into your case. Warm case air still cools your CPU. If you really want to optimize this beyond what is practical you need more case fans and not a different GPU fan.
WITCHCRAFT
Its almost like NVIDIA knew what they were doing when they designed the cooler...
Historically they haven't though
@@CreativityNull they could. I think it was more of play of maximizing profits. They are worth hundreds of billions. They could easily R&D this to death but haven't...until now.
@@CreativityNull Yea fair enough
@@Real28 They probably don't bother because FE cards make up a small amount of overall sold cards.
I think they focus more on there cooling design than the performance.
For the first time I actually want a Founder's Edition card over third party.
Two degree difference where all fans are locked. Meanwhile, the EVGA card would have likely been able to ramp up its fans to a higher RPM and remained quieter while also bringing the temps down to a similar level, on top of the EVGA customer service and warranty which is far better than what you get from Nvidia directly. This video doesn't prove that the FE has a better cooler, it just proves that it's not causing the CPU to heat up like most expected. It's dumb to do a "controlled" test where two distinctly different coolers are forced to run under the same situation and claim one is superior. The test needs to actually be done where the fans are allowed to run where they need to for cooling, or simply make custom curves.
@@Neonmirrorblack I agree it would be good to let them run as they are meant to in a separate test. I agree that we aren't seeing their potential here, even though I understand why it was done this way. Even doing the 40db regulated testing doesn't show the apparent noise to our ears. 40db of one frequency can be much more tolerable to our ears than another frequency. All of these tests are helpful to create a picture, and provide comparison points, but a lot of it is still up to personal preference.
nothing wrong with 1xxx or 2xxx series FE cards.
Neonmirrorblack it was a 15 degree difference on the GPU. And a 3 degree difference on the cpu. The FE was significantly more efficient at cooling. Idc what handicaps there were, a 15 degree difference with higher clocks on the FE shows it is clearly superior. Actually watch the video before blatantly lying in the comment section
@@sainttrill1165 You are missing the point. This test was for the CPU, where the difference was a few degrees and both GPUs were forced to run with the same fan limitations. The EVGA card is a triple fan card that would have been able to equal the cooling of the FE had it been allowed to ramp up its fans, which would *have also* run quieter due to the simple nature of there being three fans. The EVGA card is hotter because it's being bottlenecked. It's fine that "you don't care" what the handicaps were, which is great if you want a completely flawed comparison.
Turns out the company with engineers and researchers knows more than a bunch of random people on the internet.
The founder edition coolers are historically bad though, that's why this is actually newsworthy
Yeah, what a surprise.
@@themeeka That's true. Knowledge may be present in a company but it's up to management how to use it. With the old models Nvidia probably gave the assignment: It has to be "this" size, must work well in a factory prebuilt, must cost no more than "this" to produce and the assignment must be done in two days (or even worse: "repurpose this old server cooler"). With those restrictions (especially the time) the product will inevitably be "reasonable but not great". The difference is probably that engineers are now given the opportunity to work their magic and create something good.
shocking
@@themeeka Thats because the past years they made the minimum level cooler. This year they modified the minimum and made a custom one of their own.
“I mainly use this system to play World of Warships while Phil is working.”
It’s good to be the king!
I LIKE BOATS!! lmao that always cracks me up.
Poor Phil
I LIKE BOATS! followed by the ifixit ad and explosions
@@Nomeck117 fix your friend with ifixit!!!!!! Hahahaha
Hey....I like ships too lol (See screen name) lol
Jay: 5 degrees lower on GPU is big jump
Me with my vertically mounted Vega 57: *removes side window* temps lower 25 degrees
That dust build up though :/
I want vertical but the reviews I've seen for the gen 4 is mixed :(
My 2080super never goes over 60c vertically mounted glass off custom fan curve
@@randomhobbies5796 You may aswell not even have a case if you're gonna leave the side panel off
why would you mount it vertically, it looks like shit..
Hey man. I started trade school in August for IT. One of the first assignments was to watch a video on someone taking apart a PC, and your “UNbuilding” a PC video was the one I watched. I’ve never watched stuff about computers or even had the interest in the schooling, I’m just doing it for the guaranteed work. But after watching that video I spent the remaining of the 5 hours in class watching your videos. I’ve become so interested in this world of PC development and I wanted to thank you for helping me develop this interest! Keep doing what you’re doing my friend
thats all you have to do for IT?
Idiot Chef he said he recently started.
bohboli i thought you were insulting him at first with a rare insult
@@Ross-ow1ld The word Idiot Chef is a common insult, duh.
@@Kipx99 Depends where you live
People literally thought that the card was venting heat like a volcano? LMAO
Theres plenty of forums whit users that think the exhaust air temperature is the same as gpu thermal reading on the screen.
it looks real on the thumbnail of my notifications
Q: What gets wetter the more it dries?
A: A towel.
because there are a lot of idiots now due to PC gaming becoming mainstream
@@jdwmyt wow, thats a really sad attempt at spamming "jokes" all over the comment section...
JAY: "It's 71 degrees fahrenheit here, and whatever that is in Celsius... pffhg and away." *continuous to do all the temp testing in Celsius..
Celsius is the way to go.
its always sensible to use Celsius anyway because red zone for pc parts is around 90 to 100 C. make a lot of sense.
@@croness91 that's just coincidence actually
I'm the same way as Jay is when it comes to temps! If I'm checking my room temp or the temp outside, I use Fahrenheit! If I'm checking the status of my GPU or CPU while gaming, testing something, or just curious of what it is atm, I use Celsius. Don't ask me why though, its just the way my brain works lol!
Metric System Masterrace!
*Look, a working exposed cooler
My brain: Put your finger in it
Me: why?
My brain: you gotta!
and you always get scared then your finger hits the fan lol.
@@haydenwiseman3056 Only when I see the severed tip...
"Is this fan spinning"
**insert finger in fan noise**
"Yep..."
It's just like how you test a 9v battery...
@@haydenwiseman3056 yeah... my brain tells me to touch my 1050ti's heat sink while games are running at the backround. And whenever i hit the fan i jump like a cat
It's obvious that nvidia's technicians are more educated than the guys who are spreading these rumors. Therefore, if they come up with any sort of unnatural designs, it must be for good reasons....
Manufacturers have made many silly mistakes before, so I can understand not taking their word on everything, but this was pretty easy to understand: A card which exhausts more air will likely make the case cooler than one which dumps most of the heat inside the case.
You would think that but im sure there has been countless examples where video card technicians messed up. For example remember when EVGAs cards (I think 900 series or 1000) basically "blew up" cos their cooling was trash.
And now we have this potential Caps problem though It's not 100% yet (EVGA seemed to confirm it but yeah I dont think it is solely the caps)
So whilst what you say makes complete sense in reality mistakes happen and companies can't be trusted, which is why we should wait to see it in action.
You're talking about the people rumoured to have greenlit a design for partners that have rumoured extensive crashing issue.
@@gunnar6674 Silly mistakes are usually because the manufacturer was trying to do something quick and cheap, not because they didn't know what they were doing.
This can be taken sarcastically
"Heat is going to generate heat" - JayzTwoCents
He ain't wrong though. :)
that's the plan....
"People die if they are killed" - Emiya Shirou
You don't say...
The floor is made out of floor
Jay: I can stick my finger in the fan if I wanted to. *zzzztttt!* Ah! Like that.
Oh, Jay. Never change.
He plays a clown in front of the camera. Just be sure to take his opinions with a chunk of salt as he's more of a "tech influencer" than reviewer at this point with all the fanboying he does.
@@Mr72usty Mmmmm, salty
Lol
@@fshn4x4 Mmmmm, counter salty
@@Mr72usty How is this relevant to what was said by the OP? And how is Jay any less of a reviewer compared to anyone else? And what product does he put on the highest pedestal as a fanboy? Just curious as one is to throw out such wild ass claims.
Gamers: Ehhhh Blower cards are horrible don’t ever make those
Jay: Blower cards are good shut up.
Nvidia: why hello
Technically this one sucks and blows.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 push pull like rads really far better then a blower also has a chance of not sounding like a jet engine blowers work fine but at high temps they are seriously loud
Nvidia makes both types at once
@@PainX187 not loud if you setup a fan curve, most of the time they don't need to be at 100% since they can withstand high temps without serious issues, alot of peoples complain because the auto fans max out at lower temps for higher protection xD lil bit of brain cells and it would be an ez fix plus undervolting has been a thing for YEARS which could also help with jet engine coolers since most cards use more volts than they actually require, less volts = less heat = lower fan speeds + the fan curve setup = optimal experience, see ez pz.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 "Technically correct is the best kind of correct" - Prof. Farnsworth. 😁
I dont know why im watching all this 3080 videos WHEN IM NEVER GOING TO GET CHANCE TO BUY IT
I feel your pain also waiting and I got a 8 year old pc lol i7 4770 and nvidia 778 gtx
“Tested” two hours straight... read gamed for two hours and realized later it would be a good video.
This is pretty much how all my videos happen. 😂
Dawid Does Tech Stuff Dawid I keep seeing you in the comment section of other videos. It’s awesome to see the community love!
"This is my Threadripper system that I mainly use to play World of Warships" what a sentence
Maybe it's an older one. A friend of mine bought a Threadripper PC (with a ton of RAM and 4x 2TB samsung SSDs) from his work for $1200
I helped him out....just so I could get the SSDs😅
I myself recently got a X299 itx for relatively cheap.
@@tylerdurden3722 Its a 3960x xD So yea, not that old, a couple of months or so xD
@@tylerdurden3722 current gen threadripper, he say it is 3960x
@@Thefuror38500 😗
That’s stupid overkill for world of warships since they cap your FPS at 75
I've never been more interested in an FE card then any other. Higher GPU Boost, lower temp, lower price. Great job nvidia.
@Warm Soft Kitty did you even see the video or what?
@Warm Soft Kitty
Please watch the video before needlessly spreading misinformation
@@Motishay You should practice what you preach. This video is not testing the GPU cooling performance, it's testing the effect the cooling solutions have on the CPU temp. Jay is controlling the fan speed here by locking them at 65%. You can't say the FE is a cooler card with this video. All this video shows in that regard is that, locked at 65%, the FE card is better. Who's to say, based on this video since you say you watched it apparently, at 85% or 100% or whatever that the FE is still cooler. It could very well be that the EVGA card is cooler
And apparently no CTD issues like competitor cards (cheap capacitors).
the EVGA cooler is shit, the Asus TUF becomes 63° at the same volume while the Founders becomes 79°. (according to hardwareunboxed)
3000 series is the most successful, unsuccessful tech release of recent years!
The FE version from nvidia is great. The other versions from the AIB partners not so much :/
Falzar2142 certain partners. Some card were build above nvidias own over spec cards. But for the money the FE cards are no contest. Can’t wait to beat down people in the streets at the 3070 launch
@@jaybosher6144 yup, i can finally afford the 1070
@@Falzar2142 Some are worse, some are better. As an example the strix or TUF is better than the Founders Edition. But there are some other Cusom designs like the Zotac Trinity who are worse.
Why unsuccesful
Thank you for using Celsius.
It’s a brave new world lol
Everyone uses celsius when talking about computers
Amooshroom so what do we learn? Fahrenheit is useless... or imperial overall is useless
@@SkyzzV_ We all know imperial is garbage, but as far as everything else goes making the transition over to the metric system is just too complicated and costly right now and potentially dangerous (Engineering/architecture) etc.
@@MCOGroupNews That's an excuse that could go on forever. Once lazy, always lazy. The cost of switching from Imperial system to Metric system is only going to keep increasing every year. The US should have done it decades ago.
"I could stick my finger in the fan if I wanted to." - a man who always wants to stick his finger in the fans.
I love how you and GN recommend each other and have a great professional relationship. Two of the best YT channels imo.
Yes. We can all hate Linus together (jokes)
yeah except for that weird hypocrit video after the 3080 launch
@@Kira-qc4qi Jokes aside I go to Linus for entertainment, I go to GN for technical details, and I go to Jay for wisdom and tips.
Jeff B facts
@@Kira-qc4qi Ltt does way more weird electronics projects, it's not really a comparable channel.
Sooooo the founder edition card continues to be better in all aspects.
Except for availability, because you can only get one if you're a well-known tech blogger.
@@anonyshinki what's the point tho if the people don't get it . They better work on better way of bringing it back so alot people get the chance to buy it
@@anonyshinki lol you can't get any of them right now so that's irrelevant
tuf is the best
makes me happy i ended up selling my tuf gaming 3080 for 2 grand lol
Jay "it's open there no filter I can stick my finger in here (gets hurt)"
Phil "I could have moved around and showed them"
"Although... people don't sit there in their game a stare at the corner"
Yeah tell that to half the campers in Warzone sitting in buildings fixated at the door.
Or if ur playing a hide and seek game
I’m OK with campers. They play a rather realistic way.
Gunnar René Øie
I just hate people that exploit spawn locations, those are horrible to deal with, I’m fine with campers though because at least there is 99% of the time an easy way to get rid of them.
Me and my brother ise to play all the battlefields and call of duty campaigns as a 1 life only. If you died you had to start back at first mission. Just cuz it was challenging and realistic.
Blower coolers have always kept the case temps lower. and now we have an actually good blower cooler. so now you can keep you GPU cool, and your case cool
I mean, i wouldn't really call this a blower cooler. It's a hybrid
I remember the old days they made fans that used 2 PCI slots, that had a channel that went halfway into your case, and pulled the hot air out and exhausted it out the back. That was single handedly the easiest way to cool down an old computer at the time without taking a hole saw to the roof of the case to install a roof exhaust.
I had totally forgot about those. Had one in my old gateway pc.
amazing, FE 3080 15 degrees cooler than a custom triple fan, and also the cpu cooler, and only 67 degrees with a 65% fan speed, that is amazing, excellent temps, and the FE also helps to exhaust warm air out of the case.
3080 FE the best disipation so far
I wouldn't mind seeing alot more 3rd party blower coolers being made.
I like the blower style, except for the sound, but that's okay. They're a lot more efficient at moving air outside the case as stated in the video, and they look neat.
ASUS has a bunch of Turbo 20-series cards (they're all blowers) and Gigabyte has a blower-style 3090 already out.
i want aio gpu cooler
@@TheKillerZmile My 3080 arrives soon its a triple fan cooler, going to be a bit sad when i put my new build together as my current card is MSI Seahawk 1080ti, It has always ran cool and quiet for me. I do love the fact it came as a 140mm AIO and wasn't super expensive considering.
@@TheKillerZmile EVGA have an upcoming Hybrid cooled 3080 and 3090, so you're in luck!
Everyone before this video: CARD WILL BURN ALL ARGH!!!!!!
Everyone now: Pfft, I knew it would run cooler.
I really knew that before, let me explain.
In my case I have only 1 chassis fan at the bottom front of the chassis. It is the only intake. My power supply is at the top back. It is the only exhaust fan. So my airflow has to go from the bottom front to the back top anyway, so with the 3080 the fan will do huge work to increase air velocity through the case, resulting in lower temperatures.
I don't know why I commented that though.
Spoiler, i expected it anyway
Sounds like "Everyone" is a politician... lol
I actually did know before because I know basic thermodynamics.
Hindsight Harold effect
Lets be clear... it's the youtubers that put the idea out that the FE cooler might make the CPU and RAM hotter during their unboxing videos.
larock0wns proof it boy
@@Buildonsound go watch the unboxing videos... There's your proof. Stop being lazy
Build On Sound gamers nexus was one of the first people to say that when the design was leaked
4:15 Clearly Jay you don't play squad based games online.
Yea its just holding corners 90% of the time
R6 has entered the chat.
@@GummyBearRacing i love r6 so much but my gosh the amount of times I hold an angle for a minute and look away and die pisses me off so much
Valorant has entered the chat
Conclusion: Skip good looking pc cases like the nzxt H510i and go for a mesh front panel case.
True nzxt case sucks in air flow
P400a is good
@@deso4262 lian li lancool 215 is also very nice
011D xl. Looks and big airflow, i have one and regret nothing
I got the Meshify C, the shorter travel from front to back dropped my temps unexpectedly! Really love it
"that fan is going to make my CPU run hot!" me: looks at my side mounted intake radiator, "ha!"
yeah and your ram and other components will be thankful for the extra airflow from the GPU :)
Moral of the story, buy a case with good airflow, good fans, positioning of fans and good cpu cooler.
That is my gripe with NZXT, looks great but the airflow is just garbage
@@cristainnn9298 I have an nzxt s340 elite, it has ok air flow not the greatest. I switched it out to an Asus gt501 and my gpu temp dropped a few degrees Celsius. Plus the fan and radiator support in the 501 are really good. I don't think I would buy a newer nzxt, what do they have now the 500, 700 and the little 200?
My case would be perfect for a 3080. I got 3 intakes bottom, 3 side, and 3 exhaust up top
I'm so happy with my Phanteks P400a. Cheap, good airflow, not the best quality but not the worst either, it's just really good overall.
@@GPG851 dynamic?
It's actually the first time that I'm more interested in a FE card than in any other.
First it was because I find it way way sexier than any other cards we've seen so far.
But now you're telling me that in runs cooler?
I'm sold! Once there's stock...
I'll be sold next year!
Noise normalized it runs hotter than 3rd party. He just did fan % normalized which isn’t correct IMO.
@@hcAsicted Was the noise normalized test in a bench, high airflow case, or a more constricted case? That seems like the key point here. If you have a ton of overall case airflow, the AIBs seem probably better, but which is optimal if you have a more constricted case?
Shevek fair point, I think it was on an open bench. Gamers nexus probably has some comparisons.
@@hcAsicted ...does that mean that the FE would run louder at that temperature than a 3rd party?
I mean, if that's the case, I always use my computer with my headphones on, so noise is really the last of my concern ^^
@@RomainDelmaire in Jayz's test, the FE run cooler than the 3rd party with the gpu fans capped at 65%, check the numbers at 14:35 ,but i don't know what happens if the fans were made to perform 100%.. maybe the EVGA would run cooler BUT with probably a higher noise level (as it has 3 fans vs the FE which has 2 fans).. but still with 65% fan speed, the FE is doing better than a 3rd party
So we finally have a blower style cooler that doesn’t sound like a rocket
It's not about Blower or not. It's about axial and radial Fans. Building a Blowerstyle with a axial Fan was a smart move from Nvidia.
@@iStrong113 You are probably deaf.
noctua nhd15
@@iStrong113 my rx570 blower isn’t loud with headphones on
@@iStrong113 sounds a bit hot. Maybe increase that fan speed. I'm not annoyed by stock cooling either
Now if we could just get these cards..
Exactly! I love my 1080ti FE but I think it's time for an upgrade. Unfortunately, who knows when we'll be able to get one...
@@briantheoret6837 ordered mine and actually happy that it got delayed due to these power issues.
@@kaylum4055 yes but aren't they happening to the AIB cards? I want the founder's edition.
@@briantheoret6837 you're correct i want the fe too but the chance of getting one is so slim
@@kaylum4055 I know... I guess all we can do is wait.
'Which is funny because that is the only air cooled CPU that I have."
-Ooh SorRy
hes rubbing it in :(
It turned out exactly how I thought it would. I'm happy someone finally tested that.
I actually did a vertical CPU cooler orientation with my old card for the exactly same reason. The card ran hot and that way I could make use of the top fans and CPU cooler to move the hot air away from the GPU.
But Jay the friction of the air particles moving past the RAM will cause it to heat up! /s
Silly jay
I almost commented that this is possible, but then I decided I would rather not deal with the smooth brains that thought I was saying it was a real issue to worry about.
@@GuyFromJupiter I mean it DOES heat it up but its so little that it isn't a problem
Don't worry. The time dialation that occurs because the air is moving means that time moves slower for the air. It's won't have as much time to heat up the RAM.
Yes but time elapses faster for the warmer air particles, therefore they are warmer for less time.
It's almost like the laws of thermodynamics are real... Who would have thought!
thing that effect.. A/C, how well is the system get rip of heat... an the damn case... all i see is that thing run fine without dust build up... all that thing had issue more whenit got older...
The "Laws" of thermodynamics are guidelines (say it like a Pirate). Almost everything we label as "Laws" are guidelines that let us get through the hard parts.
U like willies
You mean like the laws of thermodynamics he incorrectly described?
Air that is hotter than something is not going to cool it down. That's not how anything works.
If my ram runs at 45c, and this is spewing out 65c air, it is not going to cool the ram.
That's just fucking ridiculous.
@@herpderpherpd that isnot what he said though he said that air at a certain temp blowing over the components are not going to heat up said component above the temp of said air.
You could do this video in like 5 minutes. Just show why people are misguided and then show the actual data on graphs. Jesus this guy likes to hear himself talk.
Wake me up
When RTX 3080 will get his restock
They will sell at about as fast as I can smack my snooze button in the morning.
I think this scarcity will benefit Big Navi 2 release
If you dont go FE you can still find some in stock. (uk)
Can't wake up?
I felt attacked when he flicked my precious °C
bruh same
Keep your funny measurement numbers to yourselves!
@@Texas240 metrics system is silly? Are you high?
Stupid imperial system
@@theneosuperzero - do we need to come force feed you some Freedom?!?
I would love to see this same test done with the 3090 fe just for comparison.
it runs cooler
I don't think they'll make AIB 3090s
BackInBlack_4896 there are already aftermarket 3090s tho, MSI has the one with the stringest cooling of the 3rd party cards
@@TheFrisken95 stringest?
@@davidc1961utube i think he meant strongest* lol
Jay: "The heat is going to generate heat" (2:56)
Me whos heat generates a $500 electric bill: ?????????
Wow bro my heat is less than 100
Conservation of energy state that to generate any form of energy (ie heat), another form of energy (ie electricity) must be used to generate that heat. So it seems that your house's central heating relies on resistive heating, where electricity is turned into heat, thus causing your $500 electrical bill. Ultimately, all of the energy we use from electricity gets turned into heat, whether sooner or later.
@Joshua Steele F in the chat for you mate
Damn thats hot. My heat generates $80-$90 max.
jayztwocents: the heat is gonna create . . . heat
me: surprised pickachu face
That one drew a legit laugh out of me! XD
When FE card came out I thought:"finally. partners will move their ass and do some creative thinking for a change". But I was pretty disappointed with partner card designs(power delivery aside) that came out. If I ever end up buying one from partners, it would to liquid cool it.
Well they can cool better than FE cards, you just have to be able to exhaust that heat. I just saw GN's review of the Gigabyte 3080 Eagle and the main headline says it has better thermals than the FE cards.
Every vid I watch about the 3080 reminds me I don't have one yet...
(Still love the vids Jay!)
I can't afford one...lol
I wouldn't worry about it too much. We're all going to have a much better selection in a few months and the bugs will have been worked out.
It's ok we make enough money once all this hype dies down and the scalpers loose money from buying too many we can get into it at a more comfy time
yeah same, ordered 50 mins after launch, still waiting to get it shipped to me
I love that when talking room temperature he uses fahrenheit, and dismisses celsius, but for computer temperature it's always celsius, beautiful irony
That's cause major brand manufacturers tend to use SI units, as many of them are not located within the USA.
@@periodictable118 NoOOOOoO who would have guessed?
@@periodictable118 we know that, the irony is of Jay being Celsius dismissive
@@tudomerda hes an american. Its not an individual thing. I also prefer F over C. Bigger numbers=more specific.
@@Ravenous Bigger numbers = more specific? You still have 20.1, 20.2, 20.3 C so it is pretty specific as well. Also I doubt anybody could feel a difference between 69.8F (21C) and 69.98F (21.1C)
So actually as expected, but the missing part now: noise comparism!
I think what is missing is a comparison against a blower style card (since there is no 3080 blower you have to under volt a 3080 to get the same tdp as an older blower style card for a fair comparison). The people who were complaining that the top fan was going to make thermals worse were comparing it to a blower style not an axial style, since blower style is more optimal for multi gpu or itx.
Holy shit - the subtitles brought back a memory I forgot I had and reminded me of Don Vito in Viva La Bam 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL nowayyy;, bruh that was my show...
I work in a refinery and we literally use steam to cool hot spots on parts of piping lmao. If something is less hot than what it's cooling it will cool boys!
I was hoping to heat my water cooler to steam and cause a boil over. Would've been spectacular to watch.
Heat transfers from hot to cold, junior high school knowledge.
@@jeffcrawford2195 I've seen videos of water heaters exploding through the roof of a house. You don't want those problems man.
@@rotor13 oh I know! 1600 times the energy all of a sudden and it's gonna be a bad day in bedrock
Be careful, that's what killed the USS Thresher.
This is so stupid now... why they dont rethink the place of the graphics card? Just make 2 seperated vertical/horizontal Airtunnels and we´re all fine. 4*20cm Fans would be enough for high performant Pcs, then (And very quiet). NO Pc really have a nonturbulent Airflow without 90° Degree angles and other bullshit. ... I dont get it. Selling 200€ AIO´s but have no clue about thermodynamics.
I own this card finally and for one week it's been the best purchase I've made in 8 years.
@Devil's Advocate ???
@@excaliburmorgan5501 it's called PC Envy😅
Nvidia (Envidia) is Latin for the word Envy. The fact that the logo is green is also not coincidence.
you should normalize the fans from the different gpus based on dba, not rpm
He didnt Even normalize with rpm... He did it with % in msi afterburner but the 2 cards have different fan speeds and curves so the entire test is invalid Since 65 %fan speed on the EVGA might be 1500 rpm while 65% on the FE card might be 2300 rpm ... Which explains the huge difference in temps.
Joshua 9858 i wouldn’t say it invalidates the whole thing. I think it just further proves the engineering on the FE. I get what you’re saying tho
Samsung 8nm = space heater?? Lol. Would been better if Nvidia had used TSCM, but then prices might gone even higher. Though RTX 3090 here in Canada is going $2400+. Which bullshit. 3080 is $1000 Canadian.
Can’t wait see if Big Navi/RDNA2 will bring some (hopefully) proper competition hopefully.
6:05 min Jay's finger takes one for the team 👍. Thats the kind of commitment I like to see xD.
This years founders edition has been proven to be the best in its series.
This time Asus upped their game and made the 3080 tuf pretty much the best 3080 card
Perhaps they knew it was so hot they had to spend a ridiculous amount on the cooling. So they're probably hardly making any money on these just to do good in the reviews. Where as AIBs are probably thinking these profit margins are so low we have to cheap out
Because NVIDIA sabotaged their AIBs with shitty specifications.
@@daedalus6433 If they did sabotage then why only third of AIBs are shit ?
@@Yegor06 Yet, another conspiracy nut job!!!.....I swear the world is full of them, nowadays
😆 So, you changed the GPU and now the cpu case is the guilty one.???
🤪 🤪 🤪 🤪 🤪
Come on jay, don't insult the only three neurons that are still left on my brain.
The recommendation should be: USE ONLY IN A WELL VENTILATED PC CASE.
Thank you. Finally someone who has the resources to test the theory I had and was trying to explain. You showed it out right and proved the theory. Great video. Keep up the great work.
No, he disproved it. :D
i was thinking it would probably help
@@ShadowViewsOnly True lol
As far as I know, the only closed front panel case with great thermal performance is the O11 dynamic. I'm thankful for the GN influence on the market, as traditional closed front panel cases sacrifice way too much performance for looks. It's amazing how much your CPU temp dropped after removing the front panel. #meshmasterrace
MFW people think the FE is cooler than the EVGA because of this video... No guys, the fans were locked to a certain percentage. The FE has a higher max RPM, so its 60% fan lock is a faster RPM than the EVGA's 60% fan lock... Did you all just skip middle school maths or something?
I did a undervolt in my 3080, the card was warming the entire room. The fps its almost the same, for me it surelly worthed.
Can you tell me how you did that? Currently just got a 3080 ftw 3 and it does reach 82c like the vid.
Would like to know what the RAM temps were in both scenarios also.
Please tell Nvidia that I want to give them $700.00. I would like to do an old school mail in order and have an RTX 3080 shipped to my house without using a third party. I would like to snail-mail in my order and be emailed a link to give my card info, for the right to collect my 1 per household version of the RTX 3080 FE shortly after it is manufactured and boxed. It is a simple request, which easily bypasses the bots and the crashing website issues. I am available anytime during normal business hours in Silicon Valley. Thank You.
This is begging for a smoke test to see the airflow!
See Jay's buddy Steve's report at ruclips.net/video/VVaGRtX80gI/видео.html
i've been watching this channel on and off since 2015 or so, and just noticed I wasn't subscribed. Sorry
Same! :O
Ashame!
Jay im sorry but this whole test is invalid.
It seems you tried to normalize and compare the fans with % in msi afterburner but the 2 cards have different fan speeds and curves so the entire test is invalid since 65% fan speed on the EVGA might be 1500 rpm while 65% on the FE card might be 2300 rpm ... Which explains the huge difference in temps. It should be normalized with decibel (most correct) or rpm speed. This one you didnt think through im guessing.
Why is everyone in the comments repeating what Jay says like a bunch of robots??
Not everyone. But there are too many of them, that's for sure. The reason? Maybe they want to enable a better experience for those deaf users whose browser are broken and they can't enable subtitles? Maybe they don't have an opinion themselves? Maybe they are just too dumb to come up with something worthwhile?
Bla BlaBla simpler than that. It’s for the likes. Ppl see other top comments and copy the styling in the hopes of cashing in...
Why is everyone in the comments repeating what Jay says like a bunch of robots??
@@Chimera_Photography Yep, that's what I meant. They aren't the smartest guys around. What is it good for to "cash in" some likes on a comment that isn't original by any means? 5 minutes of fame? Oboy.
Same reason the Cardashians are famous.
Where is the inventory nvidia claim they were gonna bring a week ago, I’m still 3080less
Yea
And what do you do for living? - I play games! - Oh, so you are a streamer! - No, I am testing Hardware...? 😉😂
Jay, what’s your favorite ship to play in WoWS? Mine is North Carolina.
Pensacola
Heretic, Balansgrad is the best. I like Hindenburg though.
Daring
i love me some tirpitz and moskva !
Huanghe and Nagato.
65% fan speed on the EVGA cooler isn't necessarily the same as 65% fan speed on the FE is it?
Fan speed isn't going to affect the heat generated. Only how quickly its removed, it'll still make its way to the case.
he said he lock the GPU's Watt, which imply that the heat production/amount is locked. The fan speed only implies how fast the heat moves around in the case because it is a fan, it moves air around.
@Hydride XY they were debunking theory 1) that says the Nvidia fan design make CPU hotter (which it doesn't), and prove that 2) blower design that Nvidia use produce cooler GPU. Also 2 fan (at 60%) vs 3 fan (at 60%) yet the 2 fan design is cooler, right? I sense that Nvidia's design is soo brilliant that it lower both CPU & GPU temperature on the same system setup, with 1 less fan!
@Hydride XY I think it means that if I have an RTX 3080 and keep all settings the same, I will find that swapping the heatsink & fan design will produce different temperature.
@Hydride XY no, from my meager experience I always believe fan-speed percent % is based on fan RPM. What I'm implying is that if you set 3 fan at 50% then all 3 will spin at around 2000rpm, and if 2 fan is at 50% then it still spin at same rpm.
fe is so much better i dont know why people spend more 200 or 500$ for same gpu
yes u can get 2 to 5 fps more but that doesnt matter
I never questioned the new cooler style. Just looking at it you can tell it is better then 3rd party coolers that blow air all through the case.
jay: a cool thing cant heat up a hotter thing
chemistry teachers : >:(
I've continuously questioned why do GPU fans point down towards a blocked pathway instead of up towards the back fan which blows that heat out
I currently have a 1070 FE and now im so excited to get the 3080 FE. Those temps are crazy good.
6:03
_"I could stick my finger in the fan if I wanted to...."_
[low-key] _"Aghh..."_
-Jay
the VRAM still gets 104° hot (84° on the backside of the backplate according to Igor) while the Asus TUF has only 65° on the backside of the backplate. the EVGA doesn't seem to cool very well when the Asus TUF just runs 63° according to hardware unboxed. at the same noise level the Founders became 79° hot and the TUF just 63° according to hardwareunboxed.
Yeah I'm confused why the evga card is getting so hot, and can't find any real reviews to tell me if this is normal.. maybe the TUF really does just have a great cooler
I'm assuming there shouldnt be any effect with an IAO radiator?
well since its exhausting(FE) a top mount AIO would see a benefit of a FE vs a non FE.........bc of all that radiating heat to the radiator/fans. Specifically in regards to the thinner aio/rad. But as well same sentiment to OC potential...plus with all that space you can mount 80mm fans regardless above pci slots if you really needed some extra exhaust for the vrm section pre 120mm rear exhaust. If you didnt run an FE. Get a 3-1 splitter, and mount them in that meshed section if the chassis is large, beyond the pci slots/screws. or above the pci slot/mesh rear i/o area. 3x 80mm fans or etc. IF these GPU+.....zen3+4000+MHZ ram become a problem.....for proper cooling. And ideal zen3 OC
"Heat is going to generate heat"😂
Hey Jay, I have a 5900x with artic liquid freezer 2 360 and my Temps run at 75-80 when gaming, I see you are at 54 with an air cooler..how can I get those cpu temps..
Try adjusting your fan curves. More air through the rad.
i will keep saying this: your channel together with HC from Canada, has the best camera shooting Technics when it comes to record footage from a pc monitor!.THANK YOU!. very readable...sharp, great light, no reflection just perfect!!! not like other (big channels) that spend thousands on cameras, studio and employees and still they suck in those kind of videos. you rock. THANK YOU! 😎💪♥️
Would be interesting to see how a top-mounted AIO effects the heat exhaustion out of the case and at what point with that set up does internal temps rise and juncture points due to that result? Would they go up do you think? I run my system with a top mounted AIO exhausting heat out.
Also STILL waiting to see Phil vs Jay world of warships.... #TeamPhil.
Meanwhile laptops cpu's when you don't undervolt them:
Me: start steam
Cpu: 99 degrees mode! Fans at warp speed!
Shouldnt he test based on sound levels instead of RPM?
Yeah sound lvl is more important. But the FE cooler is pretty good.
because the chassis fans and cpu fan were locked to the same rpm for both tests they are fully controlled either way... the only difference is between the cards and what their 65% sounds like, a difference which is simply cooler design, so for this testing it proves his point fine and accurately. If it was a direct competition for maximum performance out of each card or GN style where the ultimate question is how does this card compare it wouldn't be as valid testing.
If anything, you should test based on a fixed GPU frequency and temperature. So performance of the cooler (how cool can it keep a given GPU at a given speed) is equalized, and you measure the impact you have on everything else while achieving the same performance
@@tarfeef_4268 thanks for comment, I agree! I hope someone can rest this out
I’ve never been interested in buying a FE card before, how is availability on those in the long run? Will I be able to get it at close to MSRP once NVIDIA sorts out their crap?
LOL good luck until about valentines day 2021.....
@crimescene25 You say that like it’s a long time from now
@@jojivlogs_4255 It is a long time from now considering the release date for these cards was sept 17th. Dont be a dumb little kid.
@@jojivlogs_4255 don't mess with crimescene, have you seen his arms 😱
@@muckymucks unless you make your own scalper bots
A little confusing that you locked the gpu fans to the same value, when they are not the same fans. Maybe the the FE did better just because the fans happen to have a higher maximum air volume pushed, and the result has nothing to do with the shape of the card. If it's doing that by running louder, that's not impressive.
Yep, locking different fans at % base is proving nothing, he should lock RPM or Db. Still, I think this time FE card wins against traditional cooling solutions. But as long as you have good airflow temps should not be the problem with either of them.
Did you just test based on the Fan percentages or the actual Fan RPM's? on the cards because 65% on the EVGA card may not be the same as 65% on the Founders card. Just curious. Since I dont have 1 never mind 2 3080's to test this out lol. edit: I just would like to know what the RPM's are on each at 65% speed.
Can't remember if it's on his own video or one of GamersNexus but fan % speeds are higher on the FE. Not by much but iirc it's 200 / 300rpm higher for the same %. Also it might be a FTW3 if it's in GamersNexus video, and not the XC3. Need to check and retrieve the video.
Found it. It's on GamersNexus that you can see values for the FE : " NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition Review: Gaming, Thermals, Noise, & Power Benchmarks " video. Around 25:43 you can see his overclocking chart. Knowing that custom cards pull more power already than the FE, that means between the real fan speed lowered to the same rpms, the power increased of the FE, difference in temperatures between XC3 and FE would be lower than what is shown in this video. Also this chart was made on a test bench not a case, so in a case thermals will increase more (even if not much due to the cooler design on the FE).
Now about the EVGA I can't remember exactly but around 60% was around 1700rpm iirc, meanwhile 55% for the FE is near 2100rpm as you can see on the chart.
@@huntercyril Yep, you can't compare two different fan setup designs, with different rpms, with also probably different static pressure by just setting each as X% and claiming the figures you get as a result prove Y. Jayz failed on this one. To make a proper comparison both fans need to be identical in every way, then all you are comparing is the direction of the air.
They're completely different designs. Comparing at the same % is going to be more useful than comparing at the same speed. The FE card might move the same amount of heat at 1,200 as the EVGA at 1,500; not that it matters. Fan speed, airflow volume, and static pressure are all intermediate variables that ultimately do not matter when evaluating the effectiveness of the full cooling system. What matters are temperatures and noise.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Also, arent the Founder fans smaller than most of the other fans?
Hey Jay, I've seen a few places online about people mounting a 80-92mm fan under the GPU pushing the hot air out of the rear of the case on a traditional style blower gpu. This apparently had very good results as it pulled the hot air directly out of the case and helps draw some of the cold air from the front of the case towards the gpu, Any chance you would be willing to run some tests with this? Also would be interesting to see the thermal results of a RTX3080 with the 3090 massive cooler on it, Thanks.
Why 6 months is no big tech you tuber talking about High vram temps on the 3000 series card and we still cant get a straight answer on what the safe operating specs are of the GDDR 6x temps
115-120 it starts to throttle. With my 3090, it stays around 90-95 while mining and it's only about 85 while gaming.
I'd much rather have the FE card straight from Nvidia instead of an over priced AIB card this time around. Although I'm still waiting for that Aorus card to come out.
I've been looking and can't seem to find a retailer that sells a FE card here in the Netherlands... I really want one... I like the sleek look of it over the "gamer style" cards of the other companies
I'm thinking either Founders or ASUS since they didn't cheap out on the PCB.
I mean the asus tuf is also 700 dollars and by all accounts is better in every respect to the founders other then looks which is entirely subjective.
To me looks isn't as important !as prize/performance is... but for the same price and minimal performance difference would mean I do take looks into consideration....
I would rather have the ASUS TUF that smashes every other card out there and makes the STRIX redundant and is at MSRP.
"room temperature 71 ºF, that is whatever it is in ºC"
proceeds to analyze gpu and cpu temperatures in ºC
ive just started video and im gonna go ahead and say itll be cooler than other coolers.. why simple all other card dump air in the case and still needs to vent it ALL out... atleast with the 3000 series atleast Half the heat is going right out the back of the card and the rest vented into the case just like all other cards
rofl just hit around the 11min mark with the confirmation from Jay
Why has no one mention this? 🤔
NVIDIA really missed an opportunity here:
Had they put the bottom fan on the right side of the card (refering to the card position when installed): facing down, close to front intakes, and the upper fan, near the back side of case, facing up to the rear of cpu heatsink.
The card could intake cold air coming right from the front fans and entierly avoid the cpu cooler, exhausting the air close to the rear fan, where the cpu fan's airflow and rear fan would push and pull it right out of the case.
Look! Another internet PhD in fluid dynamics.
@@heyhoe168Yep. And in electronics 2: Look, another negative Electron looking for a proton arse to stick to.
i kinda imagined what scenario you are saying. However, then the cpu fan and the first gpu fan would compete hard for (fresh) air supply. I am not sure but it could starve both the cpu and gpu cooling capability. However, still, there is no other way to know until someone make such design for Jay to test.
"Phil touch this." No way man.
So, you're telling me that engineers that have spent years studying and years designing this, have more knowledge than random fanatics on the internet? That's SHOCKING !
The Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics states that energy (heat) will always transfer from a source of higher temperature to a source of lower temperature.
AKA the AIR....
Also the system is kinda closed, so wherever the heat is going in the case, it's still in the case.
No, the second law of thermodynamics is what you're talking about. The increase in entropy
The Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics is basically, "You will play the game, and you will always lose."