I guess you figured by now but there are "Helicopter Throttle Axis", you need to assign the PUMA X throttle axis to it. 👍 in the G2, you also want to have some switch to deactivate the governor in order to fully control rpm.
You are the reason I got into flight sims and bought the PFT Puma + Oculus back in the day bro. I upgraded to the HP Reverb G2 and the difference is truly incredible. I can't recommend it enough.
Awesome! I'm looking into a new headset. I was just waiting for a big jump in tech before taking the plunge. Maybe the Pimax? I want a better FOV and get rid of that binocular look.
I hadnt tried the 407 yet, but if I set a throttle axis on the Cabri, I get a second collective, it just rolls the throttle as well as you lift the collective. I hope they change that down the road.
Hey Joshua, been watching your videos for some time now and I am wanting to get a help sim setup. I would like to know if you have a recommendation for me. I’m thinking the puma and really like MSFS . But what would you recommend on VR and PC setup. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 🙏
Hey, thanks for watching my stuff! I love the PFT. I've spent most of my time in DCS and X-Plane although MS has come a long way. I haven't been on it in quite a while. But I have the Rift and the G2, and there's not much difference there. Can get into VR pretty cheap. I've been waiting in the "next big step" before getting a new headset. I'd try and run at least a 4000 series graphics card and an i9 Intel processor.
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial I kept having a real hard time with the prop planes in DCS- check, and rudder assist is on by default. I was having a hard time with helicopters in XP11, and my cyclic didn't seem to move like the actual controller- Stability assist was on. It's one of the things I don't get about devs for these sims, the whole "make it realistic as possible then slap assist on by default" deal.
Compared to Dreamfoil's B407 for X-Plane, Nemeth Designs' B407 for MSFS misses a few marks. It seems like it was released with an early access or SDK showcase model approach. It feels great to fly and you can definitely tell that the MSFS and Nemeth Designs team put a lot of work into the helicopter aerodynamics and flight model. The power and performance makes no sense for some of the operations; it has unrealistic torque values in different modes of flight. The start up process has some discrepancies and the RPM goes to full even when set on idle. Speaking of idle, you can't bind the throttle axis to your physical hardware. Even if you use the mouse to rotate the throttle, it still won't change the RPM. It has no GTN 750 integration on release which is odd since the Cabri G2 does. It would also be nice to compliment the 750 with HeliSAS, similar to Dreamfoil's B407. There are some inconsistencies with switches and even in 2D the legibility of text on the instrument panel is just subpar. VR text legibility is far worse somehow as I found it to be an absolute eye-strain of a blurry mess. Little details like interactible pilot and passenger doors, a working overhead panel light, etc would have been nice but not a priority. I tested and reviewed the MSFS B407 on a PFT Puma, RTX 3090, i9-10900KF, 128 GB RAM, HP Reverb G2, with in game textures set to Ultra, and all assists OFF (true to life).
For the people who have the instability issues like I had: In the main menu, options, change the flight model to Legacy. Load a chopper, fly it (more like crash it in 2 seconds). End the flight. Go back to main menu, options, change flight model to modern. Now it should work properly. Thank me later.
Ive been in your flight room so often I feel like you should serve some liquids...even a coffee to me. Cookies too? I'll be dancing when they bring the MD500 in game!
Cool setup you have there, Ive been flying this helicopter in the sim yesterday, and I noticed that when im picking up speed I dont have to do any cyclic correction to the right due to the greater lift of the advancing blade on the right, and when Im going at a fast speed and I let go of the cyclic the helicopter pitches up and rolls to the right very strongly... I dont understand this behavior, is that realistic and why is it happening??? Thanks!
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial I see but shoulndt I roll left at great speeds then? What I mean is its all going well flying forward, but as soon as I let the cycle go back to the neutral position while I am still moving forward, the helicopter pitches up alot and rolls to the right alot if i dont counteract it - you can try it in your simulator and see what I mean - its as iff the retreating blade has alot more lift all of a sudden or something... - just wondering if its realistic and what causes it and why the helicopter doesnt just level out and keep flying forward normally....
They all kind of have their strengths and weaknesses. FS has the best looking scenery, X-Plane has the best flight models and DCS is has a bit of both but fun combat capabilities. Thr Huey in DCS is my favorite.
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial damn i missed out! I am building my first PC now with the purpose of helicopter flight simming, I want to get my hands on the Puma! Love your content. Your first video with the Split View of the VR and the puma controls flying the Huey in DCS made me decide to build a sim rig.
Hey I would love it very much if you made another video about these helicopters in FS2020 with your experience as a pilot and let us know if theyre actually realistic... Another thing i cant explain that i have noticed, is that for a strong left curve you have to input left cyclic and left rudder however for a strong right curve once you are tilted to the right you have to input right rudder and LEFT cyclic again, otherwise the helicopter will keep rolling over to the right... - so there is this left cyclic bias happening even though left is your retreating blade... I wonder if that is realistic and whether you can explain that =)
Yea its a little off in my experience. There really shouldn't be much pedal input when turning (unlike an airplane) if it's in trim. Pedal input usually comes power changes. As far as the cyclic, I was getting that odd roll where it didn't feel 100% correct. Once you center the cyclic, it should stop the roll moment. Shouldn't have to correct back the other way. I'm about to head back up to the sim now and mess around with it. Once I get good info, I'll make another video.
@@Sergeant898 Yes, I’ve seen that but it serves to move the trim... but in real helicopters we have a button called Force Trim, when you press it it lets you move the cyclic freely, when you release it it maintains the attitude you have. Its represented in the cabin, in the cyclic, but dont find the assignation. In the H145 and 135 of HPG that works very well
@@Sergeant898 how does that work exactly? I tried holding an input and pressing on or the other, then releasing pressure, but the aircraft seems to want to return to an untrimmed condition.
I am interested in the rig you are using. Nearly all rigs have the seat so low that your butt is on the floor. Your rig's seat is at desk level. I am very interested in how your rig is setup. Can you talk about that?
Hello. I am not the best with mfsf2020. But with my hotas always some problem. Now when in heli and going full throtle my heli gets wery instabil. Like it does something else the same time. Same when imtried a jet. Full throtle my engines turned of and down i went. Ffs😅
The helicopters in MSFS are not realistic at all. I guess you can't have realism if you're using an XBox to fly. If you want to have a more realistic feel of helicopters you'll need X-Plane.
Hey Joshua! Thanks for uploading this video, I also have the new Puma Flight Trainer and both helicopters in MSFS go absolutely batshit crazy as soon as the inputs do anything. Do you have an idea what the reason could be? Here's a timestamp from a stream that shows what I mean: www.twitch.tv/videos/1649808648?t=0h9m16s I'd love to fly the helicopter but absolutely cant. Fixed wings with the puma work flawless... its only when i switch to helicopters :( i have all curves and sensititvies default level, assistances off and im only doing minuscule movements on the cyclic... like 1-2cm. Flying helicopters in XP or DCS works perfectly fine with the puma.
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial thank god i finally found the solution after hours of research: 1) Set the control to Legacy and then the box below to "Realistic". 2) Apply and save changes. 3) Load a new flight in the game, maybe it works fine maybe not. 4) Now go back to the options, switch the flight model setting back to Modern. 5) Go to Main Menu to end your flight. 6) Load a completely new flight, and the problem may be fixed.
Thanks for doing this. It's refreshing to see an actual helicopter pilot checking out the new choppers.
My pleasure! I'm really impressed with it so far.
I guess you figured by now but there are "Helicopter Throttle Axis", you need to assign the PUMA X throttle axis to it. 👍 in the G2, you also want to have some switch to deactivate the governor in order to fully control rpm.
I'll definitely get it going! Hope all is well
Great Job Joshua Hamby! This really shows the quality of this tool! Can't wait for the next video!
You are the reason I got into flight sims and bought the PFT Puma + Oculus back in the day bro. I upgraded to the HP Reverb G2 and the difference is truly incredible. I can't recommend it enough.
Awesome! I'm looking into a new headset. I was just waiting for a big jump in tech before taking the plunge. Maybe the Pimax? I want a better FOV and get rid of that binocular look.
Fantastic video! loved every minute of it.
Thanks so much!
I hadnt tried the 407 yet, but if I set a throttle axis on the Cabri, I get a second collective, it just rolls the throttle as well as you lift the collective. I hope they change that down the road.
I believe there is a way to do it. I have to jump back in
Hey Joshua, been watching your videos for some time now and I am wanting to get a help sim setup. I would like to know if you have a recommendation for me. I’m thinking the puma and really like MSFS . But what would you recommend on VR and PC setup. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 🙏
Hey, thanks for watching my stuff! I love the PFT. I've spent most of my time in DCS and X-Plane although MS has come a long way. I haven't been on it in quite a while. But I have the Rift and the G2, and there's not much difference there. Can get into VR pretty cheap. I've been waiting in the "next big step" before getting a new headset. I'd try and run at least a 4000 series graphics card and an i9 Intel processor.
Yeah it is a real pain when stability control is enabled from the start, fighting your every control input without you realizing it at first
Yea lol
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial I kept having a real hard time with the prop planes in DCS- check, and rudder assist is on by default. I was having a hard time with helicopters in XP11, and my cyclic didn't seem to move like the actual controller- Stability assist was on. It's one of the things I don't get about devs for these sims, the whole "make it realistic as possible then slap assist on by default" deal.
Yea lol. I think maybe they just start ya off with the easiest 🤔 but yea id prefer to just be tossed in the deep end and figure out how to swim.
Compared to Dreamfoil's B407 for X-Plane, Nemeth Designs' B407 for MSFS misses a few marks. It seems like it was released with an early access or SDK showcase model approach. It feels great to fly and you can definitely tell that the MSFS and Nemeth Designs team put a lot of work into the helicopter aerodynamics and flight model. The power and performance makes no sense for some of the operations; it has unrealistic torque values in different modes of flight. The start up process has some discrepancies and the RPM goes to full even when set on idle. Speaking of idle, you can't bind the throttle axis to your physical hardware.
Even if you use the mouse to rotate the throttle, it still won't change the RPM. It has no GTN 750 integration on release which is odd since the Cabri G2 does. It would also be nice to compliment the 750 with HeliSAS, similar to Dreamfoil's B407. There are some inconsistencies with switches and even in 2D the legibility of text on the instrument panel is just subpar. VR text legibility is far worse somehow as I found it to be an absolute eye-strain of a blurry mess. Little details like interactible pilot and passenger doors, a working overhead panel light, etc would have been nice but not a priority.
I tested and reviewed the MSFS B407 on a PFT Puma, RTX 3090, i9-10900KF, 128 GB RAM, HP Reverb G2, with in game textures set to Ultra, and all assists OFF (true to life).
I totally agree. It will need work. My absolute favorite is the DF 407. It is fine tuned and you can manipulate it like a real helicopter.
For the people who have the instability issues like I had:
In the main menu, options, change the flight model to Legacy.
Load a chopper, fly it (more like crash it in 2 seconds). End the flight.
Go back to main menu, options, change flight model to modern.
Now it should work properly.
Thank me later.
Thanks for the comment! I'm sure it will help alot of folks
Love your content man, can't wait to get my PUMA X and VR in
Awesome! Can't go wrong with it.
Ive been in your flight room so often I feel like you should serve some liquids...even a coffee to me. Cookies too? I'll be dancing when they bring the MD500 in game!
Haha I'd get ya a coffee. MD500 will be sick
MD500 waiting room!
Yeah, one of my personal favorites too.
Thanks! Really helps to see you work thru the software. I missed what you said this software is.....Microsoft Flight Sim?
Yes! MSFS. You got it
Cool setup you have there, Ive been flying this helicopter in the sim yesterday, and I noticed that when im picking up speed I dont have to do any cyclic correction to the right due to the greater lift of the advancing blade on the right, and when Im going at a fast speed and I let go of the cyclic the helicopter pitches up and rolls to the right very strongly...
I dont understand this behavior, is that realistic and why is it happening???
Thanks!
Sounds like good ole Retrearing Blade Stall. The limiting factor for forward airspeed.
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial I see but shoulndt I roll left at great speeds then? What I mean is its all going well flying forward, but as soon as I let the cycle go back to the neutral position while I am still moving forward, the helicopter pitches up alot and rolls to the right alot if i dont counteract it - you can try it in your simulator and see what I mean - its as iff the retreating blade has alot more lift all of a sudden or something... - just wondering if its realistic and what causes it and why the helicopter doesnt just level out and keep flying forward normally....
Yea let me test that out. It should have a slight roll left and pitch moment. Seems a bit odd
Been wondering why there were so many people at that helipad, didn't realize there was an ingame event until this video, lol.
Haha yea
What game would you say is the most life like sim for helicopters? If it is dcs then which helicopter model?
They all kind of have their strengths and weaknesses. FS has the best looking scenery, X-Plane has the best flight models and DCS is has a bit of both but fun combat capabilities. Thr Huey in DCS is my favorite.
So what did you do with your old Puma set up? Is it available?
I gave it awaaaay!
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial damn i missed out! I am building my first PC now with the purpose of helicopter flight simming, I want to get my hands on the Puma! Love your content. Your first video with the Split View of the VR and the puma controls flying the Huey in DCS made me decide to build a sim rig.
Do you plan on flying VR in this?
@@TheoreticalApex awesome! Thanks for the compliment ☺️. Yes I will be doing VR soon on FS
👏👏👏👏👏
Hey I would love it very much if you made another video about these helicopters in FS2020 with your experience as a pilot and let us know if theyre actually realistic... Another thing i cant explain that i have noticed, is that for a strong left curve you have to input left cyclic and left rudder however for a strong right curve once you are tilted to the right you have to input right rudder and LEFT cyclic again, otherwise the helicopter will keep rolling over to the right... - so there is this left cyclic bias happening even though left is your retreating blade...
I wonder if that is realistic and whether you can explain that =)
Yea its a little off in my experience. There really shouldn't be much pedal input when turning (unlike an airplane) if it's in trim. Pedal input usually comes power changes. As far as the cyclic, I was getting that odd roll where it didn't feel 100% correct. Once you center the cyclic, it should stop the roll moment. Shouldn't have to correct back the other way. I'm about to head back up to the sim now and mess around with it. Once I get good info, I'll make another video.
Hello mate! have you been able to configure something similar to a force trim?
No not yet. I can try and find something tho
I have. It's working great in the G2. It's called 'rotor longitudinal and lateral trim'
@@Sergeant898 Yes, I’ve seen that but it serves to move the trim... but in real helicopters we have a button called Force Trim, when you press it it lets you move the cyclic freely, when you release it it maintains the attitude you have. Its represented in the cabin, in the cyclic, but dont find the assignation.
In the H145 and 135 of HPG that works very well
@@isramu88 I haven't found any setting for that exactly. Only able to manually trim with the hat switch, and rotor trim reset.
@@Sergeant898 how does that work exactly? I tried holding an input and pressing on or the other, then releasing pressure, but the aircraft seems to want to return to an untrimmed condition.
I am interested in the rig you are using. Nearly all rigs have the seat so low that your butt is on the floor. Your rig's seat is at desk level. I am very interested in how your rig is setup. Can you talk about that?
Yea, pretty simple rig. I got an ebay seat bolted to a stool. Just ended up cutting the feet off it to lower it.
Hello. I am not the best with mfsf2020. But with my hotas always some problem. Now when in heli and going full throtle my heli gets wery instabil. Like it does something else the same time. Same when imtried a jet. Full throtle my engines turned of and down i went. Ffs😅
Possibly a double assigned axis?
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial could not find any. What is the mixer? Auto on that one?
I'd have to poke around with it a bit. I'll get on it and see if I can find a fix
What helicopter setup do you have please tell me
Pro flight trainer Puma X2
Hi, is there probably a link to the Helicopter stick and collective you use?
I added it to the description for ya 😀
Computer specs?
RTX 2080ti, i9 9900, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD
The helicopters in MSFS are not realistic at all. I guess you can't have realism if you're using an XBox to fly. If you want to have a more realistic feel of helicopters you'll need X-Plane.
It's a good base line so far. Room to grow but it's fun.
Hey Joshua! Thanks for uploading this video, I also have the new Puma Flight Trainer and both helicopters in MSFS go absolutely batshit crazy as soon as the inputs do anything. Do you have an idea what the reason could be? Here's a timestamp from a stream that shows what I mean: www.twitch.tv/videos/1649808648?t=0h9m16s
I'd love to fly the helicopter but absolutely cant. Fixed wings with the puma work flawless... its only when i switch to helicopters :( i have all curves and sensititvies default level, assistances off and im only doing minuscule movements on the cyclic... like 1-2cm. Flying helicopters in XP or DCS works perfectly fine with the puma.
Hmm interesting. I'll check the twitch video
@@JoshuaHambyOfficial thank god i finally found the solution after hours of research:
1) Set the control to Legacy and then the box below to "Realistic".
2) Apply and save changes.
3) Load a new flight in the game, maybe it works fine maybe not.
4) Now go back to the options, switch the flight model setting back to Modern.
5) Go to Main Menu to end your flight.
6) Load a completely new flight, and the problem may be fixed.